Celebrimbor - Is this a joke, Amazon?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The Great Elf Lord, Celebrimbor, was not exactly as I had hoped for in Amazon's "The Rings of Power".
Watch how the series reimagines Celebrimbor, showcasing his role in this new brave and stunning tale set in Middle-earth's Second Age.
We'll dive deep into Tolkien's original writings and explore how Celebrimbor was depicted in the legendarium, examining the nuances and depth of his character, especially from his appearances in the "Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor" series.
Whether you're a die-hard Tolkien fan, a newcomer to Middle-earth, or a gamer curious about Celebrimbor's different portrayals, this video has something for you! Don't miss out on this insightful exploration of one of Tolkien's most enigmatic characters.
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Cerebrimbo Baggins
*celebilbo
@@bojangles4398*Celedildo
@@bojangles4398 celedildo
@@cmja09 🤣
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New season - Celebrimbor find out what a hammer is
You can use a Tool to craft??? That's crazy. What's next? Heating the iron to make it flexible?
@@ramonserna8089 DIVINE KNOWLEDGE OF THE VALAR!11!!!1!!!
"Elves are beyond beautiful" *casts an ACTUAL hobbit*
Celebrimbor baggins
In LOTR they did it too.
When Shadow of Mordor/War were coming out people were saying that those games were skrewing the lore, but Amazon proved that there are depths to be reached
Yup. Maybe if SOW had been a Warhammer 40K game instead, people wouldn't be so scornful of its story and could fully appreciate its gameplay. Meanwhile, Ring of Power is a failure at the core, one that no change of window dressing can fix.
@@anthonyrousseau805040k is super cartoonish though, wouldn't have worked nearly as well
In J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium, Celebrimbor is depicted more as an intellectual and a master craftsman than a grim warrior.
Nenya, the Ring of Water: This ring is made of mithril, a precious and incredibly light and durable silvery metal. The material of the other two elven rings is not explicitly mentioned.
Mithril is extremely rare, found only in a few places in Middle-earth, most notably in the mines of Khazad-dûm (later known as Moria).
The Dwarves of Khazad-dûm were the primary miners and smiths of mithril, becoming very wealthy due to their monopoly on this precious metal.
If you combine these facts, how should Celebrimbor have known of the alloy, if the dwarves discovered it first???
games are easier to seperate from canon and the games are at least fun
@@thescruffinator8830 40K is only cartoonish if your only knowledge of the franchise is the memes and other community-made content. The setting has room for everything from depressingly dark psychological horror to young-adult action and even bits of comic relief. Great authors know how to weave in bits of light and hope into a story to make the darkness that much darker by contrast, and there's plenty of that among the hundreds of novels set in the universe.
Can we talk about the VO for Celebrimbor in the game? He had such a noble and arrogant quality. The character just oozed hubris and you could see how even the elves could be tempted by power.
Yea but also arrogance if he didn't betray talion at barad dur he would have dominated salron
What can't understand is why in Peter Jackson's movies the elfs have long flowing hair but in the Amazon production they look like late TV show host 🤷 And why is Amazon's Celebrimbor looking like a 60 year old human? Elfs never got old looking!
Well, it is because authors doesn't have a clue about contents of Tolkien's work. They didn't read it, they didn't watched adaptations and despite they also hate it.
@@ХузинТимур 😟
As far as I know, they only Elf that should even look remotely older than the others would be Cirdan the Shipwright. I think he's the only Elf with a beard in the sources. That would be a pretty distinct feature.
They should have went with what PJ and the crew did on LotR for Galadriel and to give a sense of age through their words, motion and eyes.
@@Wulfrygg yep... Cirdan the only elf in middle earth made and not born.
@@alexiachimciuc3199 What's that gotta be? Like 13.000/14.000 years or smth?
1:34 As someone who just recently watched the Jackson Trilogy and who loves Tolkiens Dwarves very much I paused here to read the inscriptions.
In the Fellowship of the Ring I was perfectly able to read the texts in Moria for example and despite the Dwarven language not really being complete enough to write a proper letter it was always clear that those were actual words and with a little effort it was possible to work yourself through what the creators tried to write.
On this Amazon door here all we can read is total obvious gibberish. They weren't unable to pay for a nerd to do it properly. They just didn't care.
It becomes even worse when you realize they HAD a Tolkien loremaster advising them on the show...and then they fired him for complaining about how much they were doing wrong and refusing to listen to him. Pure hubris on Amazon's part, thinking they could "fix" something as beloved as LotR.
@@keiichi8191There is absolutely no proof of that though.
@@keiichi8191 lol they hired this guy cause they wanted him to stand around in silence nodding in approval at their genius
@@keiichi8191Madness. Madness and stupidity!
Yeah, but the hobbit movies by Jackson were truly awful. And there was a great deal to enjoy and love in the rings of power.
the fact that the greatest elven smith of all time second only to faenor didnt know what an alloy was is WILD
Thats something only humans do, because Elves have unlimited resources and magic to use just one material
@@arieljuarez963 Still, part of being an elven master mettalurgist and smith is the knowledge. Even if the elves didnn't need to use alloys, you can be damn sure they knew about the technique.
Celebrimbor not knowing what an alloy is, that is simply criminal writing.
Tolkien's work turned into movies directed by Peter Jackson were like Mairon, Admirable One. But then after Amazon came and corrupted them, they turned into Sauron, Abhorrent One. Frodo didn't walk into Mordor for this.
You cant think of an actor that would play a character better in LOTR, in this massive letdown you cant stop listing actors who would fit better
@@wendigo7176 I had some of my hopes return to me when I learnt who they cast as Elendil. Then I learnt that Amandil wasn't even in the show and where they would take the story and I nearly had a heart attack.
well maybe nick cage as Aragorn?@@wendigo7176
@@wendigo7176 I really, really liked the guy who played Durin. It's just tragic he was put in a show with writing this horrendous. He would've been a great dwarf in a better show.
Compared to the psychotic Galadriel, Sauron looks like God's dandelion. Frodo definitely destroyed the ring in vain.
Celebrimbor in the games is an example of how there can be deviations to the lore of Middle Earth that are still cool and interesting deviations, the show on the other hand is a masterclass in character assassination
Why is he looking like a hobbit in this series lol?
good question 😅
his stutters feels like bilbo, don't you think? 😅
@@tama_ochi just one more of a countless number of memberberries that the show has.
Nailed it. He has far more resemblance to a Hobbit than an Elf. In fact he would have made a great Bilbo. So ridiculous.
they unironically copied Ian Holm's look but instead combed his hair, then copied Martin Freeman's mannerism in the Hobbit with his awkward pauses and hesitations during talking.
In Martin's case it makes sense since Bilbo is introverted and is way out of his comfort zone being miles away from the Shire, but you'd expect an air of confidence and superiority for a wise old elf and a master smith, just like how Hugo Weaving's Elrond talks. The man looks like he's an intern given a major project.
Rings of Power is an abomination.
It is indeeed
couldn't have said it better myself
Agreed
Agreed
I hope they would change everything in S2 , Especially how they act in a boring cold ass way….
It's so tragic, I can't understand how it's even possible with the budget the had..
Ahh, the mastermind evil act of teaching the best smiths of the world what ALLOYS are!
Truely an action of a dark lord... what a genious manipulation... truely you see his dark magical influences: ALLOYS..
Half of what Dwarves knew, they learned from the Noldor. And they NEVER outdid them. They just mass produced it. Celebrimbor had THOUSANDS of years to master what he learned from masters who had thousands of years of experience at their craft. Plus he spent a LONG time making rings. The Three and the ONE were just the very last. Sauron learned most of what he knew from the Noldor.
@@xhagast I don't agree with a few points here.
1. Dwarves and elves had different specialities in crafting, Tolkien did not just put Elves simply higher than dwarves (especially since he hated the demeaning tone dwarves were usually represented in in other lore and media). It was Thingol, who ordered the dwarves work the Silmaril into a necklace and all other kinds of works over his elves. I would also count Telchar as one of the great crafters.
But I can understand your view as many of the tales/books are written in a pretty elf-centric personal perspective.
2. The last sentence, since Sauron (Mairon) was pupil of Aulë, Sauron may have learned quite a bit from the Noldor, but most of Aulë himself, you know the Vala of Smithing. Also the art of ringcrafting, Sauron learned from Melkor/Morgoth.
I don't understand the reasoning of this comment on just a joke about Amazon's shitshow.
@@lmr4403 My first Tolkien book was the Silmarillion and the Noldor were my favorite Elves. The Dwarves were good but Feanor and later Celebrimbor outdid them. The Nauglamir, the greatest creation of Dwarven craft, had no one maker and was made for an Elf(Finrod)with Elven gems. Thingol was a Sindar and his people but for Eol were not as good as the Noldor at anything. And even Sauron needed the arts of Feanor's grandson to make rings.
This stupid series makes a mockery of everything. The Dwarves barely made it out in one piece.
@@xhagast I do agree that obviously Celebrimbor and Feanor are the big guns, that later people of any race cannot compare to. Though those are 2 individuals in a story with already elven perspective (remember most is written in personal perspective form; so purposefully biased and flawed perspective). It is fine that you have favorites (characters, races, groups etc.), but your argumentation is overgeneralizing A LOT.
@@xhagast
As creations of Aulë, they were attracted to the substances of Arda and crafts. They mined and worked precious metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth. They were considered unrivalled in arts such as smithing, crafting, metalworking, and masonry, even by the Noldor. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of Aulë and Yavanna"
In the tempering of steel alone of all crafts the Dwarves were never outmatched even by the Noldor, and in the making of mail of linked rings, which was first contrived by the smiths of Belegost, their work had no rival. During the third age of the captivity of Melkor, the Dwarves smithied for Thingol; for they were greatly skilled in such work, though none among them surpassed the craftsmen of Nogrod, of whom Telchar the smith was greatest in renown. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Sindar"
They were also capable masons and smiths - Dwarven smithing skills were said to be unrivalled, and their masonry creations were bested by none. The crafting skills of the Dwarves were unmatched; they crafted objects of great beauty out of gems and metals. They crafted many famed weapons, armours, and items of art and beauty, among them Narsil, the sword of Elendil, the Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin and the necklace Nauglamír, the most prized treasure in Nargothrond and the most famed Dwarven work of the Elder Days. - J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Silmarillion, "Quenta Silmarillion: Of the Ruin of Doriath"
Just some stuff to back up my claims.
Hey Celebrimbor after centuries of forging metals, have you ever thought about making alloys?
Celebrimbor: 😮
"One Elven archer is worth three Gondorian archers"
really? only three?
@@RandomKritMagnet one would think by playing the games that celebrinbor would praise the elves even more in comparison to other races
noice quote ha
There wasn’t a single elf in the rings of power. Just humans with pointy ears.
Why is he an old man hes supposed to look young like in shadows of Mordor
Shadows still gets him wrong but it doesn't do so as badly.
Lookin like the cast of Big Bang Theory just slapped on big ass ears n cosplayed as elves
I like how ageless elves all age visibly, and all beardless numenoreans all have bears. That's sarcasm
I saw the meme a year ago and the first thing that came to mind was "look at how they murdered my boi"😢
bruh you're going to make me play those games for the third time now
When a video games owns your ass 10 times 😂
And the game is still something like 10 miles away from being remotely lore accurate.
Goes to show just how badly RoP did.
@@panther-nk2hn yeah but it's a freaking good game, and not some woke bad show!
@@PKandME just because a show is bad doesn't mean it's woke just means the writing is ASS
@@live10yearsinthejointreact80Usually you'd have a point. But not in this case. This one fits the criteria. The story was already there. They modified it for "inclusivity". They said so, in interviews and such. And you saw it in the show.
That actor did it for me with this show... if they can't even realize why it's not possible to have an elf look in his 60s then they can't grasp anything Tolkien.
They turned Celebrimbor to Celebrimbore
Nice
May I present the Noldor
oh... oh dear.
Celebrimbor the master craftsman has to be taught about Alloys…
This is probably how editing an elementary schooler’s essay feels like…
For real. Shadow series really did good on Celebrimbor IMO.
Lore accurate Celebrimbore: the ultimate smith, with peak masculinity and has the balls to challenge Sauron
Amazon’s Celebrimbore: a complete dumbass who dresses like someone’s grandma
I don’t even care for Lotr or rather am not a huge fan but I played both games SOM and SOW Talion and Calibrimbors story was a fascinating experience he was everything I would expect from a guy who was one of the greatest warriors and smiths to ever walked middle earth strong, graceful, resilient, and awesome he hooked me into the lore of a series I have never watched or read. Then I watched ROP explained in 15 minutes or less and when Calibrimbor was revealed I was like “who da fu#k is this shy, skittish, goofy lookin uncle character” to say the least it was a sad day when I realized that the man I watched throw hands with Sauron like he was Muhammad Ali in his prime and only lost because the one ring betrayed him for it’s true master was reduced to this… truly a missed opportunity as even tho the games aren’t canon he was just so amazing in them.
I recommend reading/watching the Lord of the Rings and Hobbit. ROP is really crappy fanfiction and doesn't follow lore in the slightest. SOM and SOW are highly lore inaccurate as well but they are still much closer to the actual lore and better written that ROP.
Pretty much nothing in those games is lore accurate. Including Celebrimbor's story.
@@sisyphus349 correct, I myself literally pointed that out
Forever young and eternal elves by Amazon turned into 50-60 years olds, and super beautiful elves turned into very so so looking even for humans 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Its actually painful thats we had a billion dollar LOTR show and THIS is what we got. Imagine what it could have been.
Is the shadow of mordor/war celebrimbor cannon? Fuck no. But he still acts the way the character should've. He's a noldorin. The greatest of the elves, and of the line Feanor. Not some weird sassy old man.
Dude the scene where he grabs the Hammer of Feanor like it's some cheap supermarket tool xD dude that pissed me off so bad
Celebrimbor, grandson of the greatest of the Noldor, and he's portrayed as some old dude who seems to be unsure of what he should be capable of.
Also for some reason forgets he's a king who claims who views himself as superior to Gil-Galad and who also has a legitimate argument to be the High King himself.
Amazon asked Disney how to make the best series of all time 😂 Trillions for nothing
Really wrecked me seeing how they casted Celebrimbor! I mean I know we weren’t gonna get the exact same version form the game but damn it’s definitely a great blueprint to start with
The Amazon version is a nice chap… enjoys golfing on the weekend, wine tastings, and a pair of comfy slippers around the house.
It’s amazing how shadow of Mordor, a game which’s known for screwing up the lore while otherwise being a really good game still portrayed Celebrimbor much better than that show which I would rather not name.
The greatest blacksmith of his time has never thought about combining different kinds of Metals. Fuck this show. FUCK. THIS. SHOW
In the show he reminds me of my 9th grade science teacher. He was in his mid 50s, drove an old mini van, loved doing goofy science experiments, single, scared of horror movies, and loved to tell jokes that weren't funny.
Okay, but the laugh track puts RoP in the right light: so bad it's comical!
The elves in Tolkiens world are rarely stoic. They're constantly described as both wise, old and youthful at the same time, loving songs and singing and are very cheerful, yet sad.
There's almost an innocence to them, especially during his writings of the Third Age.
The real difference between RoP and LotR triology is that, makers of RoP arent fans of Tolkien work, they probably never read the book, played games, they maybe have seen a movie once or twice, and Triology were fanatics, that gave their soul to create a master piece. You can see it in this example, what LotR fan would imagine and cast Celebrimbor like this, i mean if i was casting for this movie he would get handsome 35 year old man witl ling dark hair, not Bilbo Baggins…
Only thing this show lacks is love, and thats clear, its souless, and reason for that is clearly Actors and Writers werent so interested in Tolkien work so they gave more attention to Wokenes than actuall show
I'm the books, he was more blacksmith than warrior. But I like this version too. Badass for sure.
He's as great a warrior in the books. I can't think of any of the noldor in Tolkien works that aren't.
@@lokenontherange The game version is true. Celebrimbor is not a warrior or soldier, but the Noldors are naturally skilled in warfare
@@canozcolak650 What exactly are you disagreeing with here?
@@lokenontherange Do all the comments indicate disagreement? What exactly are "you" disagreeing with above?
They love those British actors so much that they will put them in anything.
One of the big problems with this series is the Elves couldn't be more wrong.
0:35 for a second i thought they are hobbits, lmao Elves don't look, don't talk, don't behave like this xD
Not all great lords need be great fighters. I think that the core of the character of Celebrimbor in the show is good (a man who feels crushed by the legacy of his family and who feels inadequate, who needs to create something greater, and who may feel like Gil-Galad, a scion of Fingolfin, is not necessarily worthy of the title) and I'm all for a high king of the Noldor who isn't a fighter. But the actor and the direction he was given were totally off. The elves in the show don't feel like larger than life beings.
yea, from a chad elf warrior champion to a nervious and insecure intelectual
I love the shadow of games but my lord have you even read anything of Celebrimbor from any Tolkien works? The Celebrimbor from Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War are literally the furthest thing from accurate to Tolkien
The actors for Celebrimbor and Elrond would be better suited as Hobbits than Elves.
Peerless blacksmith/artisan, exceptional warrior whose thirst for vengeance couldn't be snuffed by death, to this. Look, look at how they massacred my boy.
I object to the use of the word "reality. That is not really, that's some actor Amazon hired.
Rings of Power is how I'd remember lord of the rings in a fever dream, like kind of familiar but really different and weird
Why do the elves have short hair?
Because they are young (Most of them should be over 5000 years at the time)
We need to see transformation of him, but maybe not to the derp level of that game. Same with all.
I can imagine the Amazon pitch for similar characters is that years of peace left them enjoying what they had, thinking the darkness had passed and left the world in all but the rarest of cases. So most elves live and think as if there is no war in the future that will touch them. Morgoth is long gone, Sauron is either gone or hiding beyond their vision. All is well.
While Galadriel, after her brother's death is the reverse consumed in their own darkness, grieving and seeking to end the darkness that she thinks must be hiding and waiting to return. in the period after the war, when she runs her own realm and her love Celeborn is not dead as the show claims. So in the films, there has been a long peace and she maintains a realm in nature, placing aside her darkness, until reminded of it by Sauron during the time of the hobbit and again when Frodo carries the ring into her realm.
I think Amazon is hoping to show changes in character, but this is good and bad. It humanises the elves, but elves are not men.
it gives them development that otherwise is not a good idea, as the slow the change ways of any individual elves is not a thing expressed in years but in millennia.
The greatest smith of the second age didn't know about alloys!? Are you kidding me??
This show is just stupid ffs
I have no idea why Amazon thought it was a good Idea to make the Greatest Elven Master Smith of his age ignorant to what an alloy is.
"Celebrimbor from Shadows of Mordor"
Yeah man, I also liked Stoya as ol' Shelob
They made everyone a modern human. No significant differentiation between different beings. It completely undercuts the fantasy element. Part of the problem is that its a tv show.
they had all the script in the world...still managed to screw it up...amazing...
Celebrimbor vs Amazon's discount dupe Celebrimbor
The actor would fit more in The Office or something
This is a serious case of ... what we wanted, vs what we got.
Ah, wait till you see the new version of Sauron which was Cesared (slaughtered) by some regular orcs :D
Celebimbo: "I've forgotten it... till this moment."
Arondir in S2: "Elves memories never fade."
...these writers just twist and turn things until it fits their narrative. 🤦🏻♂️
ROP is even more distasteful than SOM
No, he isn't even a hobbit. He's a munchkin.
Yea he was fire in the game I don’t know what the people behind the scenes were thinking lol
he gives major GDILF energy
See, the ppl who write and direct this stuff, despise attractive men, except for when they are gay. So we only get creeps and elderly people. Casting someone like Orlando Bloom or Viggo Mortensen would hurt their little egos.
i thought elves in Tolkien story are not gonna look old. 🤔 but this one is an old looking elve.
if that baggins is the second best smith in the world then how did the Elves in the RoP series even get their hand on a sword or ANYTHING made out of metal
God forbid we ever show strong brave men.
I can not really imagine an elve who spends most of his life in a forge and workshop to be a badass fighter. I think both variants portrait the character in not a good way.
Those elves all look like characters from star trek
Did he just say ...
"Where I come from, precious metals are scarce"
I knew the writing was dumb but holy Jesus's christ is that statement stupid.
Many metals are useful, many are expensive, but only when they are hard to find do we regard them as precious, it takes alot of effort and work to find and extract them.
we do this because they are useful, the scarcity ensures they remain expensive aswell.
Elves are supposed to be un-aging. Why tf Celebrimbor look like Sauron’s great great grandfather -_-
Do the books describe Celibrimbor much? Or was he made up for the game? I’ve seen the movies, played Shadow of Mordor, and read the Hobbit, listened to the audiobook of the Silmarillion, and watched the Rings of Power first season. Outside of Rings of Power, and Shadow of Mordor, I don’t remember his name popping up, but maybe I just don’t remember. I have my studied the source materials inside and out like some fans.
At least the game kept true to Celebrimbor’s character.
Dont blame the actor, blame the producer and the script writer.
The elf Lord Celebrimbor,in the story is like a great white shark ,and in the movie,he is like a salmon fish or a dolphin,haha.
once, Elves looked like Goods, now they look like disney character.
Elves are not supposed to look old.... they are not supposed to be senile either
Disappointment number 273 - casting hobbits as elves
Mommy, Mommy. Can we get Celebrimbor?(shows picture of the game Celebrimbor)
But sweetie, we already have Celebrimbor at home.
Celebrimbor at home(shows picture of the R.O.P Celebrimbor).😂
This is not canon, its just fan fiction. But made by people who aren't actually fans. They are people who think "hey that thing is really popular with people do they must think it's good. But i can take it and make it better, show them the way it should have been written to start with. Then it will be perfect, when it's made to fit a Modern Audience!"
Bruh it took Amazon 1bil dollars to create best sleeping potion in the world 😂
He looks like an old british teacher
An actor who was clearly born to play a hobbit cast as one of the most important elves of all time.
nahh bro you did him dirty💀
Oof that one hits hard🤣
Right! He gives off more old bilbo vibes than any elves ever lived
the forehead elves, rop celebrimbor looks like the older version of rop elrond.
That's actually a good point he would have done better as a hobbit. I could literally envision that what a miss.
Centuries old metallurgist
No idea that you can create alloys
Damn, I didn’t know he was allergic to metal :/
Centuries?? He was born in Valinor... he probably saw Feanor himself working.
Several Thousand years old.
@@Bayard1503 He was Feanor's grandson LOL
In J.R.R. Tolkien's legendarium, Celebrimbor is depicted more as an intellectual and a master craftsman than a grim warrior.
Nenya, the Ring of Water: This ring is made of mithril, a precious and incredibly light and durable silvery metal. The material of the other two elven rings is not explicitly mentioned.
Mithril is extremely rare, found only in a few places in Middle-earth, most notably in the mines of Khazad-dûm (later known as Moria).
The Dwarves of Khazad-dûm were the primary miners and smiths of mithril, becoming very wealthy due to their monopoly on this precious metal.
If you combine these facts, how should Celebrimbor have known of the alloy, if the dwarves discovered it first???
The Boss: when you fight him.
vs
When you play him as an unlocked character.
Ironic because we actually get to play with Celebrimbor and he’s pretty op
One instance where unplayable version is more pathetic than playable version
@@laszlofedor3463 this is the comment, I've gone back to play shadow of war just to clear my mind of vulcan celebrimbor from star trek of the rings
I cant imagine an elven saying
"we don't have time" lmao
you must have not seen what i have seen
Kimberly "Sweet Brown" Wilkins elf's new hit single
"aint no body got time for that!"
I can just imagine a whole city of elves laughing at that.
to be fair in the series their deadline was 3 months if I remember correctly. That must feel for an elve like 5 seconds.
wait until you hear what Gandalf said.... clown.
I know right? They're nearly as bad as the Ents when it comes to "this will probably fix itself if we ignore it" mantra
A master blacksmith didn't think of mixing ores, ARE YOU INSANELY KIDDING ME?
What kind of smith wouldn't mix metals in their craft? This is stupid.
Characters are only as smart as the writers, and the ROP writers are stupidly incompetent.
@@tototats16 With good writing, multiple viewings/readings reveal more details that make it even better and deeper. With RoP, it's stupid on first viewing, and if you actually think about it, you keep discovering new layers of stupidity, deeper than the roots of the mountains.
Not only A master blacksmith, but the best blacksmith since feanor. And we all know how feanor was the best in everything he did.
indeed it does get stupider the more viewings you do.@@partyboi8773
as someone who for quite a few years has been learning casting silversmithing and many other forms of metalwork this celebrimbor made me upset on a deeply emotional level on how stupid he sounds for who he is meant to be.@@bambostarla6259
I refuse to believe this is the greatest smith since Feanor. He comes across as a novice, not one almost equal to Sauron.
Exactly...
my guy is meant to be the smartest in crafting besides Sauron yet he needed alloys explained to him when at that point he was already quite old and had a reputation apparently.
he didn't think about alloys or different techniques on how to achieve his goals...and is surprised when breakthroughs the level of primates discovering fire are made...yet we're supposed to believe he can enchant powerful items? My man can barely work a forge...
They would turn Feanor into a Woke pus%y
@@lordsathariel4384 He was born in Aman, so yes. He's one of the oldest Elves still around in Middle-Earth. Though there may be some unnamed Noldorin Elves in Lindon and Eregion that are older given that he's Feanors grandkid and wouldn't have been born in Aman for a decent amount of years after the Noldor arrived there.
Celebrimbor in RoP looks like a Hobbit to me. That was my first impression, started to think about Bilbo.
Acts like it too. Compare that to how the elves in Lotr behave and compose themselves, and the difference becomes clear.
They just don't feel like ethereal elves really
The whole behavior is like Bilbo, the way he carries him selfe the way he talks its pretty much the same.
Seems like they did a huge miscast for the actor
@@delta9915 the actor himself is fine not for this role but in general it is the script writers at fault here and the token hires.
@@tatfly5779 yeah