I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE "old school" but RICE(M) might be a little too "old school". Recent research indicates RICE for recovery has questionable advantages. The issues seems to focus on the use of ice. It seems the reduction of swelling (and blood flow) may actually slow recovery rather than speed it up. I don't necessarilly agree with the devaluation of RICE but I am open minded about new information that advocates MEAT - Movement (not rest), Exercise (i.e., PT), Analgesics (...rather than ice that is also a version of an analgesic through numbing the pain but WITHOUT blood flow restriction), and Treatment (that alludes to ultrasound, cold laser, estem/tens, etc.). Maybe a video about RICE vs. MEAT would be interesting and a learning experience. You could even shoot the video in your kitchen for addtional effect. 🙂
Ice is still one of the most studied and used practices for elite athletes all over the world especially when it comes to joint recovery and core temp reduction. Rest is primarily referring to sleep (I mention this in the video as it is the single most important way your body recovers from anything). I can do a video on RICEM vs MEAT but I see very few differences between what I described and MEAT. Thanks for the feedback.
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes My take on ice is rather simple. I place ice on LOCALIZED areas around the joints - only. I don't typically apply ice to generalized muscular areas and instead use an analgesic. As for compression boots... I've used them for about 12 yrs. (if my memory is correct) and found that elevated feet vs. compression seems to achieve the same goal BUT elevated feet takes longer. It seems that additional rest actually seems to provide the most benefit. It wasn't until a study (2015?) about recovery boots vs. resting with elevated feet reflected what I experience for about a decade. The study indicated there was no significant improvement in recovey between athletes that used recovery boots and those that did not. However, there was a difference in recovery between those who rested the longest. None the less, I love the way my recovery boots ... placebo effect or not. So, I do both... use recovery boots and take long rests with elevated feet based on how much time I have. My first experience with compression socks were not socks. They were tights that accomplished the same thing. That was in about 1985. Nike made the first running tights for men at that time and a triathlete from Pensacola Fl (who was about 20+ yrs. my senior) gave me a pair since they were not yet available for retail sale. I tried them and they felt great and worked as advertised except for the strange looks I got while running because men in tights was not exactly normal. Fast forward, today it seems that you only need the socks... go figure. However, the original studies tested tights using swimmers as subject matter and found that tights were best over any partial leg coverage of any type. BTW, here is a potentially interesting and very trivial sidenote about studying body vibrations. A study done back in the 80's attached devices to women's breasts to determine the amount of vibration that was created from running. Then, that data was used as the benchmark for vibration absorbtion caused by tights. Who would have thunk.
Treating the first like a long training day, using that to build fitness for the second. Might end up doing a recovery yog for the second half of the marathon, but worth it to save the legs for the 2nd
Reintroducing myself to endurance sports in my early 30’s your advice is very helpful.
Thank you for this video ! It was helpful.
Perfect timing! Just raced Lake Placid
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE "old school" but RICE(M) might be a little too "old school". Recent research indicates RICE for recovery has questionable advantages. The issues seems to focus on the use of ice. It seems the reduction of swelling (and blood flow) may actually slow recovery rather than speed it up. I don't necessarilly agree with the devaluation of RICE but I am open minded about new information that advocates MEAT - Movement (not rest), Exercise (i.e., PT), Analgesics (...rather than ice that is also a version of an analgesic through numbing the pain but WITHOUT blood flow restriction), and Treatment (that alludes to ultrasound, cold laser, estem/tens, etc.). Maybe a video about RICE vs. MEAT would be interesting and a learning experience. You could even shoot the video in your kitchen for addtional effect. 🙂
Ice is still one of the most studied and used practices for elite athletes all over the world especially when it comes to joint recovery and core temp reduction. Rest is primarily referring to sleep (I mention this in the video as it is the single most important way your body recovers from anything). I can do a video on RICEM vs MEAT but I see very few differences between what I described and MEAT. Thanks for the feedback.
@@TJ.at.DimondBikes My take on ice is rather simple. I place ice on LOCALIZED areas around the joints - only. I don't typically apply ice to generalized muscular areas and instead use an analgesic. As for compression boots... I've used them for about 12 yrs. (if my memory is correct) and found that elevated feet vs. compression seems to achieve the same goal BUT elevated feet takes longer. It seems that additional rest actually seems to provide the most benefit.
It wasn't until a study (2015?) about recovery boots vs. resting with elevated feet reflected what I experience for about a decade. The study indicated there was no significant improvement in recovey between athletes that used recovery boots and those that did not. However, there was a difference in recovery between those who rested the longest. None the less, I love the way my recovery boots ... placebo effect or not. So, I do both... use recovery boots and take long rests with elevated feet based on how much time I have.
My first experience with compression socks were not socks. They were tights that accomplished the same thing. That was in about 1985. Nike made the first running tights for men at that time and a triathlete from Pensacola Fl (who was about 20+ yrs. my senior) gave me a pair since they were not yet available for retail sale. I tried them and they felt great and worked as advertised except for the strange looks I got while running because men in tights was not exactly normal. Fast forward, today it seems that you only need the socks... go figure. However, the original studies tested tights using swimmers as subject matter and found that tights were best over any partial leg coverage of any type.
BTW, here is a potentially interesting and very trivial sidenote about studying body vibrations. A study done back in the 80's attached devices to women's breasts to determine the amount of vibration that was created from running. Then, that data was used as the benchmark for vibration absorbtion caused by tights. Who would have thunk.
Tj your a geezer
I am a geezer...there is nothing new under the sun
I’m one of those idiots who decided to race 2 Ironmans 7 weeks apart this year 🤣 should be interesting…
Dude how did you survive tho? 🤯
Treating the first like a long training day, using that to build fitness for the second. Might end up doing a recovery yog for the second half of the marathon, but worth it to save the legs for the 2nd