one of the best shifters = maybe so :) one of the best transmissions = absolutely not, they grind gears constantly and are the weak point for majority of older Honda's
Poor maintenance is the cause of those issues. No trans can hold up to constant abuse without premature wear regardless if you follow intervals. If they recommend every 30k miles (normal driving) then do it every 5k miles if you continue to slam the gears
@@pattyboi You literally said "even in like a really good, borderline brand new Civic Si, the transmission just feels garbage". There are problems with the syncros but the transmission is objectively one of the best feeling out there. It's a pretty unanimous opinion amongst anyone who has reviewed or ever driven one so I agree with @christopherkain7838, that's personal preference.
@@pattyboi I own a 2011 Si Sedan and can concur. I drove it off the showroom floor in Sept 2010. It only has 23,000 miles on it now. Transmission feels like trash into 3rd gear(grinds sometimes...synchros feel wacky....6th sucks as well. Also, clutch pedal makes an annoying clicking noise in warm weather. My 1999 Civic Si 5 speed box was a dream though. I beat that car hard and sold it with 150K on it...ran like a dream. Regret selling that thing.
You sound like someone who just watches videos that say Honda has some of the best transmissions and just go with it without actually driving one. 8th gen Si's are known to have 3rd gear grind and Fk8's are known to have gear grind as well when pushing the car hard trying to shift too quickly.
Bro, Hybrid racing CMC, line, and Slave IS the best solution you can have on your car. period. You didn't adjust it right. That delay valve on each end is causing your next future grinds. Good video, Glad you got base bushings/shifter, and a shift knob/fluid. The detent springs are placebo as hell. That CMC kit is what you wanted more then anything other then literal shifter bushings. GL Cheers
I use the ktuned em1 style cmc and slave cylinder with braided line. You must adjust the rod on the cmc. And be sure to bleed properly once fluid begins to come out with no air continue to bleed it’s still got air in the system overall in my opinion it feels more solid and it’s not dampened like the oem cmc. It’s by far the best thing I done and feels much more rigid for my white fa5
Hondas from 80s-2000 had perfect transmissions. That being said I’m building that transmission in my 8th gen mugen. I will also post all my findings on improving it. I’m also not impressed with the transmission on that car but the 9th gen was smooth. I have no feedback on the type r because I have not driven that.
Regarding the Hybrid Racing CMC you didn't adjust properly. I adjusted mine and engages a very low travel. So you need to adjusted it the proper way. HR CMC can be adjusted to any level high or low.
facts, and IS the best solution out there. K-tuned* and OEM's are literally known to fail, bind, and cause issues after hard use. (Exedy is another great oem solution that's offered without delay valve and yields legit Q/A testing much like hybrid racing)
I highly recommend using Valvoline synchromesh mtf… something I learned a while back is that the oem Honda mtf is missing an ingredient and doesn’t properly grease the synchros.
The OEM works great brother. Lots of folks use OEM MTF via track use, and High-hp builds. However, the OEM MTF isn't the best fluid as you mentioned. I'd say that depending on the zddp levels of synchromesh, it's likely higher in PPM then oem MTF, making it a far better solution.
Currently running a type s trans in my fa5 “third to forth shift fork broke on the si trans” but I’ve got a SyncroTech master kit and oem fork I’m getting ready for a rebuild. I need a company to collaborate with I’ll run their products!
I just bought the Acuity shifter with new shifter cables and bushings! Hopefully they work out well! I own the Skunk 2 knob and I love it but it’s too hot near me to use it.
Do you think the EN would benefit from springs like that? I have the forge short throw bracket like you guys, and on track it is fine, but autocross I consistently have issues getting switching into second and third. Most the time that is fine as second is usually fine, but on faster courses I sometimes need third and this issue costs me some of my best runs. Also, how hard would it be to get a longer 2nd gear that runs out to 65 or so? Would be an even better solution.
Have you replaced your CMC, Slave and line with a quality exedy or hybrid racing solution? After adjustment it's immensely different. (Also I mentioned in another comment on this video that the k-series clutch/fork gets hella gunked up and sticks causing shifting issues which is common on used/driven k-series platforms)
Oh man, everyone has their favorite it's hard to decide from a newbie like myself haha. It's such an easy car to change the fluid in, maybe I'll switch in a year or so to see what's best!
@@pattyboi the one I was looking at is a 2011 coupe, I do like the sedan better but I live in Vermont so its very slim pickings on almost every enthusiast car type, unless you're talking $30 WRXs. However, the entire state just had some record floods today and yesterday, and idk if the dealer moved the car out of the way or not.
maybe its just your personal preference but honda makes one of the best manuals out there
It’s a known issues with the 2006-2008 Si’s. My synchro from 3-4 is shot at 105k miles
one of the best shifters = maybe so :)
one of the best transmissions = absolutely not, they grind gears constantly and are the weak point for majority of older Honda's
Poor maintenance is the cause of those issues. No trans can hold up to constant abuse without premature wear regardless if you follow intervals. If they recommend every 30k miles (normal driving) then do it every 5k miles if you continue to slam the gears
Pretty sure Honda has some of the best feeling 6 speeds around. Really discredits what you’re saying generalizing the transmission issues.
Feeling does not equal a good transmission....this things literally eat themselves apart overtime. Track use and hard driving really accelerates this.
@@pattyboi You literally said "even in like a really good, borderline brand new Civic Si, the transmission just feels garbage". There are problems with the syncros but the transmission is objectively one of the best feeling out there. It's a pretty unanimous opinion amongst anyone who has reviewed or ever driven one so I agree with @christopherkain7838, that's personal preference.
@@pattyboi I own a 2011 Si Sedan and can concur. I drove it off the showroom floor in Sept 2010. It only has 23,000 miles on it now. Transmission feels like trash into 3rd gear(grinds sometimes...synchros feel wacky....6th sucks as well. Also, clutch pedal makes an annoying clicking noise in warm weather.
My 1999 Civic Si 5 speed box was a dream though. I beat that car hard and sold it with 150K on it...ran like a dream. Regret selling that thing.
You sound like someone who just watches videos that say Honda has some of the best transmissions and just go with it without actually driving one. 8th gen Si's are known to have 3rd gear grind and Fk8's are known to have gear grind as well when pushing the car hard trying to shift too quickly.
Bro, Hybrid racing CMC, line, and Slave IS the best solution you can have on your car. period.
You didn't adjust it right. That delay valve on each end is causing your next future grinds. Good video, Glad you got base bushings/shifter, and a shift knob/fluid. The detent springs are placebo as hell. That CMC kit is what you wanted more then anything other then literal shifter bushings.
GL Cheers
I use the ktuned em1 style cmc and slave cylinder with braided line. You must adjust the rod on the cmc. And be sure to bleed properly once fluid begins to come out with no air continue to bleed it’s still got air in the system overall in my opinion it feels more solid and it’s not dampened like the oem cmc. It’s by far the best thing I done and feels much more rigid for my white fa5
Had to do all this to mine when I got it. 164k miles clutch was bad. I didn't do detent springs but def need to in the future
Hondas from 80s-2000 had perfect transmissions. That being said I’m building that transmission in my 8th gen mugen. I will also post all my findings on improving it. I’m also not impressed with the transmission on that car but the 9th gen was smooth. I have no feedback on the type r because I have not driven that.
I installed a ktuned cmc/clutch line, and master and the clutch engages about 1” off the floor
installed a couple of bushings and call it an overhaul.... do you know what overhaul means?
I was expecting a full rebuild also
Regarding the Hybrid Racing CMC you didn't adjust properly. I adjusted mine and engages a very low travel. So you need to adjusted it the proper way. HR CMC can be adjusted to any level high or low.
facts, and IS the best solution out there. K-tuned* and OEM's are literally known to fail, bind, and cause issues after hard use. (Exedy is another great oem solution that's offered without delay valve and yields legit Q/A testing much like hybrid racing)
Nice work Patrick!
wish you’d post more videos consistently man since i love the civic si videos!
I highly recommend using Valvoline synchromesh mtf… something I learned a while back is that the oem Honda mtf is missing an ingredient and doesn’t properly grease the synchros.
The OEM works great brother. Lots of folks use OEM MTF via track use, and High-hp builds. However, the OEM MTF isn't the best fluid as you mentioned. I'd say that depending on the zddp levels of synchromesh, it's likely higher in PPM then oem MTF, making it a far better solution.
Currently running a type s trans in my fa5 “third to forth shift fork broke on the si trans” but I’ve got a SyncroTech master kit and oem fork I’m getting ready for a rebuild. I need a company to collaborate with I’ll run their products!
I just bought the Acuity shifter with new shifter cables and bushings! Hopefully they work out well! I own the Skunk 2 knob and I love it but it’s too hot near me to use it.
I can also confirm this shift knob gets very hot hahaha, I'm usually parked in a garage luckily but every once and awhile...oof
@@pattyboi I’ve been getting away with it by using those window covers and I put a sock over the knob when I park!
My next upgrade!! Did you get the 1 way or 3 way adjustable shifter?
Was the rod change? Your supposed to use the OEM rod onto the new one. My engagement is not high at all.
Yup! Changed out the rod with OEM
I like the full redout
It looks really good with the red
The engagement point is to high cause you have to retain the oem part that conects the cmc to the clutch pedal
Did that. Didn't work. Engages high even though it's installed correctly
@@pattyboi other method is to calibrate the thread stud of the master Cylinder
I know this is 3mo old. Change your shifter cable. Mine went out on me.
Sorry but I have to disagree with half of that.everyone had preference but Honda is #1 for quality to price
I’ll buy your hybrid racing cmc kit if you still got it
Do you think the EN would benefit from springs like that? I have the forge short throw bracket like you guys, and on track it is fine, but autocross I consistently have issues getting switching into second and third. Most the time that is fine as second is usually fine, but on faster courses I sometimes need third and this issue costs me some of my best runs. Also, how hard would it be to get a longer 2nd gear that runs out to 65 or so? Would be an even better solution.
Have you replaced your CMC, Slave and line with a quality exedy or hybrid racing solution? After adjustment it's immensely different. (Also I mentioned in another comment on this video that the k-series clutch/fork gets hella gunked up and sticks causing shifting issues which is common on used/driven k-series platforms)
Gotta use synchromesh mannnn
Oh man, everyone has their favorite it's hard to decide from a newbie like myself haha. It's such an easy car to change the fluid in, maybe I'll switch in a year or so to see what's best!
@@pattyboi You did it right with OEM MTF is excellent. Folks track with Honda MTF, and utilize in their High-hp builds modern times, sir.
Gotta change out the rod with oem
I did swap with the OEM rod, everything was installed properly and double checked over the following days
These stock boxes see 5-600hp(without traction control) on boost reving to 11k and he doesn't know why Honda can't make a good box 😂😂😂
More videos please!
Thinking about picking one of these civics up any tips??
Sedans hold value better and if you can swing it, 2009+ has a slightly improved transmission!
@@pattyboi the one I was looking at is a 2011 coupe, I do like the sedan better but I live in Vermont so its very slim pickings on almost every enthusiast car type, unless you're talking $30 WRXs. However, the entire state just had some record floods today and yesterday, and idk if the dealer moved the car out of the way or not.
uhhh what lol
Wat