The Mystery Of The Man On The Moor - David Lytton
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- So after reading many articles and watching documentaries on the subject, I felt like I had to retrace the footsteps of David Lytton. This video is in a completly different style but one I have been meaning to try for a while. I have always has a bit of a fascination with True Crime / Mystery topics and Ive decided to have a go at it myself.
The subject was very challenging and confusing at times and there is stuff I have left out but I've tried to stick to the facts and revive the case the best that I can. It is quite a dark and chilling style of documentary but one I'm hoping you will like.
I would love to know your theory of what might have happened that day on Dovestones, so please leave a comment below.
As always thank you so much for the love and support you always show me and this channel, It really does mean a lot and without you it really wouldn't be possible!
Take care & stay positive and enjoy the video!
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And also a huge thanks to project X for the archive footage!
A quick overview
David Lytton's body was discovered at Dove Stone Reservoir in Greater Manchester on 12 December 2015.
He was born David Lautenberg on 21 April 1948 but his name changes to Lytton on the electoral register in 1987.
The 67-year-old flew into London Heathrow from Lahore, Pakistan, two days before his body was found.
He was identified from photos from a passenger list and picked up on CCTV in London.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said his identity was confirmed as a result of a DNA match with a relative.
Police said a "provisional" cause of death had been determined as "strychnine poisoning". Police believe he took his own life.
An international police investigation was launched after a post-mortem examination revealed he had a type of titanium plate in his leg which was only manufactured and fitted in Pakistan.
Greater Manchester Police and the National Crime Agency contacted the medical community and the British Embassy in Pakistan to appeal for information.
DNA analysis confirmed that he was David Lytton from London, who had "no obvious connection" to Saddleworth.
Mystery still surrounds the case and why he chose to head to Greater Manchester after returning from Pakistan.
Firstly the way you set the scene was fantastic, taking us all with you on his final journey. The snow adds to the beauty of the place 👌
The red flags for me are -
His brothers TV interview, claims not to have seen him for 10 years but suggests his use of the drug was recreational and he had a high tolerance and some of it may have "blown up into his face" leading to an overdose..that's rather specific information or totally made up for the press, he's also rather happy whilst talking about it, laughing and smiling all the way through.
I'm not saying he had anything to do with it in any way but its a very odd interview when talking about the death of a brother 🤔
Name change lautenberg to lytton but brothers second name is lawton which almost sounds like lytton? Very odd
Personal theory - he was meeting someone and didn't go up there to kill himself, he had something else going on, was possibly met at piccadilly and taken there specifically,
Dementia- did he actually have his faculties, did he think he was dressed appropriately for the hike or was he taking so much of the drug that he was impaired but still able to ask for directions 🤔
Again all this is leading me to foul play and a second or third party being involved , could someone have taken an alternate route up from the other side to meet him ?
Pure speculation and im sure this will remain a mystery for many years but its good to go down the rabbit hole to try and figure this stuff out 😁
Really well done this mate you should be proud 👏 👍 😁
Wow, firstly Danny thank you so much mate for even watching the video. I really do appreciate it. Secondly you’ve made some excellent points there and I’m with you on it. Since the release of the video I have sort of swung to the possibility that his brother had something to do with it. I too thought he was handling it in a pretty strange way, laughing, making assumptions that his brother could be drug dependent and also the fall out between the two.... was there more to this argument that hasn’t come to light yet?
All of the possibilities you’ve made are valid and I lt wouldn’t be surprised if one of your theories came to light. As of now it still remains a mystery and one that I might have to do a follow up on? Thanks once again Danny, you always make a great point. Take care mate and hopefully see you soon 🌟👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 no problem mate, i love the variety of topics you are covering, this one really got me thinking , i hope we find out the truth one day 👍 keep up the good work!
@@Duppy_Art cheers mate, I like to mix things up. Let’s hope the truth comes out one day 👌🏼
I feel like there is an awful lot of Olde💰money💱 ,paperwork of information & evidence, land deeds & all the stuff that usually comes with a lower/ Upper-class persons Death ,a Lord, Count or an Earl who had accomplished many lower teir spying missions for his Embassy work in the many different countries that had work all over the world doing for his Dutie to 👑Queen & Country but I feel something happened to make him question his safety & that he didn't belong at the UK/?Embassy or wasn't safe anymore because of whatever triggered him to do this bizarre protocol which led to his strange case of his death, it certainly felt real enough to this well travelled man to get on a plane to get away & to get his house/affairs in order before his meeting with Death up North.
Take care & God bless.
Regards🍻
Raver
Such a sad story, it’s lovely how you said we’re all fighting our own demons, and how a simple smile could help someone, ❤
Thanks so much mate. It’s true. We are all battling our own struggles in life. I think we should do more to listen to people’s emotions 💯
Sounds like dementia, I had a dementia patient who was found in the city by police with over 3000 in cash and a kitchen knife, swore blind people were after him but he had just been at home dealing with the condition alone until he was found wondering such a shame there should be more dementia awareness
Your best to date.
A sad tale of intrigue and mystery. So many questions, and a trail of unanswered questions. No doubt the truth will come out one day.
Rest In Peace David. 🕯
Thanks so much Phil that’s very kind of you mate.
Yes, such a sad story, I can’t get my head round it even now. Thanks for watching
Your Dad looks like your brother... lovely to see such a good and supportive relationship
Don’t make his head any bigger Amanda 😂
What a powerful story in to the life of David. So many questions unanswered. Why did he he book a travellodge for 5 days then only spend one night there. Why did he have a return ticket if he wasn’t planning on coming back ??? Thank you for sharing
Thank you so much for watching Claretsman. I really do appreciate you taking the time out to watch the video.
Yeah, there’s so many questions but so little answers? It’s a modern day mystery and I can’t fathom some of the bizarre things that went on in this case.... maybe a part 2? 😉
Take care buddy and thanks very much once again ✌🏼
What a sad story wonderfully told though. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much Andy!
Thank you for taking your time to do these videos much respect ❤
And thank you for watching Kelly 👍🏼
What an amazing video. Such a sad story but you told it so well and respectfully. I think David took his own life that day. Looking at what he would have seen before he died I can understand why he would have chose that spot (if that’s the case). I’d love to see more videos like this because of the way you are able to tell a story! Keep up the brilliant work Anthony!
Thanks a lot al, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Yeah such a shame and if he did take his life I could see why he chose dovestones. In the pit of my stomach something still doesn’t add up with me and I’m starting to think there could be much more to the whole case. The next one is going to be good too.....filming it weekend...another murder mystery 👀
So strange an ending. I have never forgotten this man. RIP. Thank you for this.
Thank you so much Jacqueline, it still baffles me to this day. I really appreciate you watching the video. 👍🏼
You are a brilliant young man and your productions are the very top quality please don't ever stop producing these gems. Being found carefully laid out suggests at least one other third party. It would be interesting to read the Coroners report and the transcripts of evidence given
thanks so much. yeah, that would have been really interesting!
@@daftmonkey7296 The Coroners findings and evidence given should all be public by now unless there are ongoing investigations and the Police have requested that the case not be made public
Absolutely amazing. Think this is now my fave xx
Thanks pea xx
Yessss! I've been waiting for this
Haha! Hope you enjoy the video 🙌🏼📺
What a fascinating story. It’s definitely a mystery. If David did take his own life he did so looking at an amazing view from where he was found. You mentioned he was a loner, maybe he did suffer from depression. And your right being kind to people is important you don’t know if someone is suffering in silence. Thanks for the video. 👌
Thank you so much for taking the time out to watch the video Marilyn! that really does mean a lot. I'm so glad you enjoyed it too! take care :)
Awesome video mate . The emotional scale was way up there. A real mystery on how he met his end . 🙏 Morrison’s finest 🤣🤣 your dad cracks me up . What a legend 🙌
Thanks so much for watching Ian, a total mystery isn’t it and such a sad story. Haha loves a Morrison’s bargain me old man 😂
So sad . Sounds like he had some issues going on . No one should should ever feel that alone . Your vlogumentrys are great. Can feel and hear the passion in your work 👍🏻
@@ianmaddams9577 I totally agree mate, felt like that way at some point in time. I hate people suffering in silence. Thanks mate, I am really passionate about what i do, especially in a case as sad as this one. Cheers Ian 👍🏼
Cracking video Ant, well done xx
Thanks a lot Joanne x
Brilliant! you surpassed yourself on this one. What a fascinating story, capturing the intrigue and emotion of a mystery unsolved. Beautifully presented and edited, researched well, with careful respect to David Lytton's untimely demise. As always, your well placed humour shone through, 'Dad nearly fell on his arse!' haha, and 'Morrison's finest', made me chuckle and lightens the mood in a somewhat otherwise sad tale. Well done yet again x
That’s such a lovely thing to say Anne-Marie thank you for watching. Such a sad story like you said but one that still has me scratching my head. Haha, he loves a Morrison’s bargain doesn’t he 😂😂 thanks once again and take care 🙌🏼🌟
Amazing Story My Friend
Wow m8 you knocked this one out of the park absolutely fascinating loved every single minute of it and all the time keeping my mind thinking what possibly could have happened with David lytton this really is a real life mystery and I have now got to watch this again because my wife & daughter aren't happy with me because this came up whilst they was playing upstairs and I couldn't wait to watch it lol so I'm going to give our opinion when we have all watched it together. But we'll done yet again to you & your dad because this my friend was absolutely fantastic 👏👏👏👏🐒👍
That is the best comment I’ve had mate, thank you so much for all the support you show this channel mate. I’m really glad that you enjoyed it and I would love to know your conclusion. Honestly mate thanks so much , I really appreciate it 🙌🏼🐒
Considering I’m local I’ve honestly never heard of this story, as you say everything start to finish is a mystery, Lysa ❤
Cup of tea and ready to watch. Looks amazing just from the intro...very intriguing story
Thanks a lot! I hope you enjoy it! 🙌🏼🙌🏼 🫖
Definitely a mystery behind this so many unanswered questions, absolutely brilliant video, camera work, scenery, music and research...can’t wait for the next one DM🐒
Thanks a lot dad and cheers for you input on the video! See you in the next one
Thanks. The air crash would probably make an interesting 0:14 story. I believe three other planes crashed nearby in WW2. A Mosquito, Lysander and a Tiger Moth. The Mosquito was returning from a bombing mission. All got lost in the fog. I should imagine that you could produce a couple of interesting 'spin-off' stories!
Look forward to watching!
Thanks for the information Ian! I’ll definitely look into that, cheers. Have a great weekend 👍🏼
Has anyone ever thought about the Pakistan connection to Oldham, that made me think, great video again pal.
That’s a great shout Matt! Very interesting. Thanks so much for watching the video! Take care mate 🙌🏼🌟
Anytime mate I watched your Fred dibnah video too both great pal, hope they get to the bottom of this with David one day.
@@mattroberts3331 thanks so much Matt, much appreciated mate. Yeah, me too. It’s a proper head scratcher. Part 2? Lol
Definitely mate 👍
Absolutely fantastic, I am not at all familiar with this story but I will definitely look into it a lot more now, I’m intrigued about the interview given by the brother that has been mentioned by others in the comments. The thing that stands out to me as strange is his decision to go and live in Lahore? I can’t fathom the decision at all. I wonder what fascination the city held for him. Anyway, this was a great production Mr. 🐒, great use of music to add to the drama, I applaud you as always.
Thanks so much for watching paddy. It was brilliant to go and film and a story that has intrigued me since I heard about it. Looking back on reflection I feel the brother knows more than he’s letting on. Something doesn’t sit well with me at all. The whole story is filled with randomness and strange behaviour. A very strange case indeed. Thanks once again paddy and I hope your and yours are all well 🙌🏼👍🏼
Another cracking video, done with so much respect. But you had me in those final 4 or 5 minutes, showing us his final resting place.
Aw thanks a lot Chris, that really does mean a lot. It still baffles me to this day. Thanks for watch mate, I really do appreciate it
This is a wonderful piece of work, Anthony 💕. Filmed with such respect. There is another strange incident around the Clarence pub and that route to the moors/Dovestones: in 1986 Myra Hindley was taken back to the Moors by helicopter in the hope of Police finding the bodies of Pauline Reade and Keith Bennett. There was a Police cordon at the Clarence. Pat Kilbride, father of John Kilbride, was later stopped by Police - he was found with a knife and his intended victim was Myra Hindley. He was taken back to the Clarence by Police. He had got past the Police cordon at the Clarence by telling officers he was a Water Board worker and was going to work. It’s just so bizarre these incidents all happen in the same place; such a lot of tragedy up there.
Wow! That is fascinating! I never knew that!! that whole place of saddleworth has been tarnished over the year with blood, gore and mystery.... such a strange place. And it would have been game over for Hindley if Pat would have got a grip of her. All those poor children. Shocking to this day. I’m working on a video at the minute. It’s documenting the Bill O’ Jacks murder that happened in the 1800’s. Not sure if if you’ve heard of it? Take care Ani and thank you for watching
@@daftmonkey7296 😉 ... I often wondered if there was more to Pat Kilbride ‘getting past the police cordon’ (‘on you go, Sir’) than met the eye! She was absolute evil - unfortunately, because in the ‘60s people couldn’t comprehend/accept that a woman could do what she did she managed to fool a lot of people. When I worked at Chester Courts I saw the case file ... I’d have held Pat’s coat!
Thankyou for such a respectful journey into this mystery DM. It really does get your mind swimming. Your research, filming, scenery, editing, music its the whole package for the true life/ crime mystery of David. Fantastic. I was glued to every word every second. Unfortunately unable to come up with a conclusion. I believe alot more investigating of past history needs to be sought for answers. I do think David was in a depressed condition due to his erattic movements when he returned to the UK. More clairification iis needed on the reasons for some of the circumstances. What was identified in the Autopsy report? did they detect Strychnine? Why did he leave the uk to go to Lahore? What and who was he with in Lahore? Was he in a relationship in Lahore? Could he have been depressed when he left Lahore and why? Break down of relationship leading to him feeling lost and depressed. Had he been threatened n Lahore? When he returned and booked the room for 5 days was his passport and personal belongings there? Why book for 5 days maybe incase he could not follow through with his Suicide. Did he return and meet up with a family member to try and make peace? Why decide Dovecote it is extremely beautiful and peaceful, but it would have also been viciously cold? Did he contact his brother prior to going to Dovecote on his return from Lahore? The list could go on and on. The position he was found in is particularly strange even if he had taken his own life how could he have maintained that position? The list could go on and on. I am really hoping someone at somepoint has spoken to David that has that little clue to what really did happen. I feel this will stay with me for a very long time. May david now be Rested in Peace however he met his demise. Bless him. DM one day the answer may come. Well done , great work. Look forward to the next one.
I live close to Dovestone and it is a beautiful place.
I am originally from 1950s bombed out west Gorton Manchester.
Thanks for the video
It sure is mate. Absolutely stuffing. Thanks so much for taking the time out to watch the video and comment 👍🏼
Anthony my sister took her own life in 1974 at the age of 16 and there was a mystery surrounding her death as she took quinine. Glynis wasn’t taking quinine nor were any persons taking these tablets in the family. Quinine had to be subscribed by a Dr and yet Glynis got her hands on these tablets.
I feel David committed suicide and wanted people to remember him
First off Peter, im so sorry to hear about your sister, Suicide is a silent killer and something that has too also affected myself and family. I completely agree with you mate, I think he wanted to be remembered. thank so much for watching and take care buddy :)
The Hotel booked for 3 nights, the Return Train ticket? These are all I can think of that would counter the suicide theory but as you state, People with Depression can do nonsensical things. And it is a beautiful view to have as his last vision? You REALLY have excelled yourself with this one mate, your work just gets better and better!
It’s a baffling subject isn’t it Nick. There’s many things throughout the case and information I left out that really doesn’t make sense. Return train ticket, the hotel etc paying for 5 nights in a hotel. If he knew he was going to take his life surly he would have booked a one night stay? It’s so confusing and the more I delved into it the stranger it became. Thanks so much for the kind words and I’m glad you enjoyed it mate. Take care 🙌🏼
Amazing story and video.subbed
Welcome aboard! and that you so much !
Hope your well lads,just stumbled across your BODY ON THE MOOR,not your body,your video.Brilliant lads well done,interesting viewing.ill be looking out for more👍👍
Thank you so much Craig, I really do appreciate that! I have plenty of variety on the channel and try to mix things up a little. I made one called “The Bill O Jacks Murders” that’s pretty similar to the man on the moor video that you might like. Thanks once again and take care ⭐️✌🏼
Love your videos Thank you for your hard work, sad to see the Manchester 1970’s I grew up in vanish.
This sets the scene very well and how peaceful this area is.
Red flags are: Why would a very frugal man spend money flying all the way from Lahore, then spend money for 5 nights stay to only stay 1 night and then spend money on a return ticket when he had not intended to come back to go to a place he had no connections with?
@DannyRanks the family name had changed from Lautenberg to Lawton by their parents. David changed his surname to Lytton - which is very similar in sound.
If it was a third party why would you choose such a beautiful and peaceful spot? Why would someone who had no connection with this spot know this was the perfect place to take your own life?
Maybe one day something will emerge which makes some sense of all of this. Until then I can't make my mind up.
My second time watching this ant. It's an extremely haunting story, one you gave your usual respect of the man. I think he was a British spy maybe, and the medication was given to any spy when caught or discovered. It's not good to judge someone who's passed. May he rest in peace
Very good theory mate. The more i learn about this case the more mystery seems to surround it. Thanks a lot Paul! 👍🏼
Incredible work Anthony. Well that's got my head banjaxed altogether, and I've no doubt the mystery of David will be at me for weeks. Outstanding research and production quality, thank you very much for sharing your great work with us.
That’s very kind of your mate. That whole area is shrouded in mystery. There’s many stories that I want to revive up there. I just hope David has now found peace but in the pit of my stomach something doesn’t sit well with me. I feel like there’s definitely more to it. Thanks for the support mate! Your a star🌟 take care pal
Just keep getting better and better, every time. Thank you Anthony.
Thank you so much Lee, that mean a lot mate
Really interesting video and thanks so much for making this , as it's only a few miles from where I live . A very sad story indeed and I'm sorry if if I have missed this , but the taxi driver that took him from Manchester station to Greenfield has never come forward (to my knowledge) . It must have been about 40/ 45 minute journey and surely they would remember ? Another theory to throw into the mix . Thank you again , Mark .
World Class as usual, Great job mate
That means a lot Ian, thank you very much for watching mate 🙌🏼
Happily working my way through them.
Haha, cheers mate. Hope you enjoy
If he did do it himself. Coming back to the UK makes sense, his family wouldnt have to pay to get his body flown over to the UK but not near his home so any one he knew would find him. If he took the poison though, him lying peacefully with his arms folded dont add up. This case has been on my mind since the documentary aired on channel 4
First time I've watched your content & I was hooked from the very beginning with this sad story.
Presentation was excellent & the music really reflects the mystery in a beautiful landscape.
The two things that stand out is the ergency in leaving Lahore for London & leaving Ealing after one day having booked in for five days.
If Dovestones was his intended destination, wouldn't it have been easier to fly to Manchester direct from Lahore?
Also, maybe somewhere in his past connects all these places in some way.
Godbless him.
Look forward to more content from your channel. Great stuff! 👍
Thanks so much for the kind comment gavin! I really do appreciate it. You’ve made some great points here. Definitely worth thinking about. Cheers once again 👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 👍🙂
My feeling is that he was a loner, so his brother would know but not really if there was a fallout. My thoughts are that he knew it was called indians head, living in lahore. He was a train driver so he studied areas well. I think he intended to go to a beautiful peaceful area to die, I feel he put the pills in, definitely not a spy. I think he intended to die in a peaceful beautiful place. No phone or passport, clothes not suitable. He got money and return ticket as a back up. Indian head he studied & intended to die there. I feel he was held by this guy hence different movements. Remember it was cold. I definitely think no foul play. RIP David 🙏
Good job mate 👍🏽 well put together! Glad some of my footage was added to such excellent work 😊 would love to see you cover Lars Mittank 👏🏽
I can’t thank you enough Richard, I credited you in the credits & left a link to your channel in the description on the video, I hope it sends some subs and views your way as your drone footage is some of the best I’ve seen, honestly! Well done and thank you. Never heard of Lars Mittank mate, I’ll do some digging. Thanks once again and take care mate 👍🏼
What about his history as a tube driver? It’s (apparently) three suicide involvements (jumpers) and you’re retired. He was 57 when he packed up and ran away. Was that the point when he hit critical mass. Did he ask the brother he hated to assist him in his suicide and the brother that hated him and who he hadn’t helped out in his time of need used poison instead of the agreed morphine? Another thing to consider is the five day window. It may have been that he was told he would get the nod at some point between day one and day five. The fact that it was day one may indicate the plan was in place before then but that doesn’t allow for any problems with delayed flights etc. So it may be that if another person was involved then they might have been local (ish) to the area and decided to go there and then. It would help to see bank records and also where his passport and wallet etc were located. Any thing that could found at his Lahore digs might cast some light. I think it’s very unlikely that espionage is involved. I would guess he suffered from mental illness and it was assisted suicide with his brother playing a role either directly or as a third party organiser. The police know it and have dropped it but can’t let it be known as it is a crime.
He must have had some interaction with a witch doctor in Pakistan who practice black magic. They could have manipulated him to go back to his native land and end his life while leaving his Lahore property to them.
Thanks for the comment Carsick Jax, that a very good point. A lot of people believe in the powers of witch doctors, especially in areas of Pakistan. Great explanation. Thanks for watching and take care ✌🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 Cheers, just to correct you at 9:13 Lahore is not the capital city of Pakistan, Islamabad is which is a 4 hours drive north. Lahore is the ancient historical city home to the Hindu, Mogul, Sikh and British empires.
@@carsickjax5040wow you could be right.they have been known to manipulate people into giving over properties and valuables . They even jinx the houses so that the owners have no option but to sell and move on.usually they arrange a buyer behind the scenes and the house owner totally unaware of it.its a big money making scheme out there. You could be right.
I do think he went to dove stones to meet someone but I don’t understand why he looked at peace with his arms folded yet strychnine in his body would have made him look a mess we may never know another great vlog 👍💜
Beautifully done,you are so empathic. Poor guy eh,sad ending.let’s hope this gets solved, and he can rest in peace.Thankyou xxx
Thanks so much for watching the video Barbara. Such a shame what happened to him. I’m hope he’s now at peace and one day we get to the bottom of it. Thanks once again and take care 🙌🏼
What an amazing vlogumentary! Still seeing massive improvements every time on how you want to tell the story and do it justice along with your editing the story. Keep up the amazing work! I was thinking foul play and then suicide but I still can't settle on one in my head things don't sit right either way
Thank you so much Highland Girl! I really do appreciate it :) take care
Nice to see you and dad interacting on this one. You never know what goes on in a person`s mind, I`m sitting here calmly typing this but it has been on my mind for a while now to finish with life. This country is now dead and it holds very little attraction for me. I`m struggling to keep my head above water on my own and I can`t really see the point any more. There, a peek ito my mind, maybe David felt the same?
Get applying for jobs in 'documentary making' - seriously! Grasp what you can whilst your young Anthony because this production was brilliant - don't waste years working indoors watching the clock 😌. Getting back to David Lytton. Instinct tells me he was meeting someone - no way would a man travel half way around the world to kill himself (that's looking at it through rose tinted specs), nor would he book 5 days lodgings, nor a return train ticket. He was expecting to return to his lodgings after what ever business he'd got planned. There is defo a third party involved - however, this is one of those mystery's which will never be solved. Thank you ever so much Anthony for this as I'd forgotten all about David Lytton. You take care 💚 and think on about where you'd like to be in the very near future 💚.
I honestly can’t thank you enough and you heartfelt compliment will be taken on board. You’ve made some excellent points and I have since making this video, changed my mind . I was contacted off an ex policeman who was working on the case and they very much suspected foul play but chose the easier option of suicide as it was a case closed matter and less paperwork etc. I hope his poor soul is now at rest. Thanks once again Shire! 🙌🏼
Brilliant vlog, this is defo a strange one, he had no phone only cash he was completely untrackable this is not the norm for the majority of people, so how would he of been contacted if he has no means was he contacted in Lahore to get to piccadilly and pick up further instructions from there, very strange. ATB👍🏻
Another exceptional video mate... First class editing
Thanks a lot mate, I really appreciate that Ste. 🙌🏼🌟
Thought I'd seen all your videos. Don't know how this one slipped the net. I think he took his life. But like you, don't understand how peaceful he looked 🤔.
You stated he was estranged from his family but I can't get my head round the fact no one claimed him 😢. Brilliantly filmed as usual Ant and sensitively done.. Also, well done to ya Dad getting up that hill 👍😂..
They didn't say if he had any illnesses in the autopsy I'm assuming he had..as a reason for his possible suicide.
Can't believe they spent so much time on the case
Well done, I really enjoy watching these documentary vlogs..x
Thank so much Julie, I really appreciate you taking the time out to watch them. I’m currently working on a new one as we speak. True crime once again. Take care Julie 🙌🏼
Well done ! Very interesting and also very sad, I hope whatever the cause maybe , he is at peace.
Thank you so much Richard, and so do I. I hope he’s finally at peace. Take care mate and thanks once again 🙌🏼 it’s much appreciated 👍🏼
You're absolutely brilliant at this!!!
Thank Pal, glad you enjoyed it !
You've kept me up into the early hours with your excellent content, thank you for teaching me about yet more of our rich history, I've just had to stop this video to type this message as I was thinking that it sounded like some Weird spy thing just before you mentioned it yourself, I bit of me thinks that he wanted to go out in a bizarre way just to have a strange end with a nether solvable twist, the planes are starting to fire up my friend so its vary early now. Regarding the Bill OJacks murders I instinctively feel it Reubens. I hope that you & your brilliant dad keep up the excellent videos. All the Best for the new year. Take care mate.
Regards,
Raver aka Dave the Rave aka The Reen
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Thank you so much David ! I honestly really do appreciate you taking the time out to watch the videos! You’ve made some great points including Reuben platt, that never left my mind and was my thoughts exactly, but I couldn’t rule out the 3 Irish men. I really do appreciate your viewership mate, thank you so much and take care David 👍🏼🐒
@@daftmonkey7296 Hiya mate, you're more than welcome,I find our historic buildings , land & people as interesting has yourself & it breaks my heart seeing it all being demolished & lost in time. If you're on Twitter I can send you some quality📷📰 pictures of myself that will be immortalised in the history of Manchester United Football Club, I've been very blessed with my past ,I'm a single dad with an excellent set of parents that help me out. Strangely enough I was drinking a bottle of Guinness foreign export when you cracked a can of the black stuff for the Legendary Sir Fred Dimnar who is a real mans man, I saw him twice on his steam engine all the way near Newquay Cornwall when I lived down there for nearly a decade, Fred certainly got about on that Steamer. Take care mate & send my best on to your dad👍.
Kindest regards.
David aka Raver (I was nicknamed Dave the Rave after David Beckham's debut for Utd away at Brighton in 92 by my mate Andy Mitten)
If his body would have contorted due to the poison, the someone would have to have put his arms across his chest , or even held them like that while he was having a spasm. Or more than one person. Orb s defa mystery. Also I believe his brother may have been involved too, reading about how he behaved during the interview. Well done , fantastic video as usual. Well done to Steve for going wth you , too!
much appreciated Sylvia! thank you very much
Mick and Sarah from Manchester Mudlarks introduced me to you, and I loved the video you did for them about the bunkers, (18th Sept 2021 video), and this is the first full video of yours I picked to watch, I can't believe you've not got more subscribers, but I'm glad in a way, cos now I can watch your channel grow, I got in early lol, I've no doubt this channel will get much much bigger, I was so impressed with this one, I now have to go down the rabbit hole and watch more 😁
- this did leave me with a load of questions, I definitely think there's something odd about the way his body is said to have been found, but 3 conflicting police accounts.....were *they* covering something up? I hope more comes to light on this one.
Honestly Kazza I can’t thank you enough and I really do hope you enjoy the channel. There’s loads of videos I have lined up that I can’t wait to get started on.
The David Lytton story is one that really blew my mind. A lot of people came forward about this case and after chatting with an ex police officer who was working on the case I’m pretty sure there was a lot more to it than meets the eye…
Thanks once again and take care 🙌🏼⭐️
Fascinating video Anthony. Very mysterious.
Thanks a lot Cheryl, such a strange thing to happen and I hope one day we will get to the bottom of. Thanks once again and take care x
Both sad and beautiful, I wish someone would come forward and let us know what really happened.
Thank you for yet another amazing video.
Thank you too!
This has been solved after an international investigation. See episode 7, BBC podcast, The Body pn the Moor.
@@messrsandersonco5985 Thank you!
A great video mate! The mystery remains!
Thanks a lot Storm! Much appreciated mate
Absolutely brilliant
Nice one Jon! 👍🏼⭐️
March 7th 2024. Interesting story. I noticed his DOB was '48. A Dakota crashed near Indians Head in 1949. 21 deaths. What if one of them was related? Did he intend to take his life at this spot? Off beat theory, but could be possible.
some interesting suggestions there pal! one I never thought, it would be a possibility for sure! thanks for watching!
You put this video across delicately. I remember seeing him on the news and Granada Reports as to his disappearance then his body found. Having no ID on him and just having ordinary shoes on I rather think he went with the intention to take his life...for what reason.....I have no idea but to remain unknown. The conflicting news that he was found slumped against a wall and lying on his back with arms crossed is baffling. Also how come he looked so peaceful when the strychnine would have mangled his body. It certainly is a mystery and one I can't fathom out. Love seeing you out with your dad and thr treats you get to eat. Have a good Sunday xxxx
Love watching your video's, brilliant.
That mean a lot Stephen, thanks so much. I’m glad you enjoyed them. Take care mate 🙌🏼👍🏼
Been to dovestones myself a few times.
I grew up partly in Lahore too (1980's)
I remember seeing in the news when David's body was found. But had no idea of the outcome. It's hard to believe it was suicide somehow. There are so many questions. I hope his soul finds the peace it's looking for.
Wow that’s a strange coincidence isn’t it. You’ve done the same Journey as him. Yeah I’m definitely open to other conclusions, still baffling me and I don’t really know why someone would go out that way. very strange indeed. Thank you so much for watching Mish🙌🏼
My mind boggles. Still thinking about it. He looks so much like my late uncle who passed away before 2015. He was in his 70's. What about David's family? Could they not provide a better insight into his life? It's such a shame.
U need to sack the day job off mate and get directing docs for mainstream TV . F###ing ace as per usual nice to hear a proppa accent too . Much love .
Haha, if I could I would do haha! Thanks so much mate and I really appreciate you talking the time out to watch the video. Cheers mate 🙌🏼
Brilliant vids mate watched a few...my theory with a little research here goes....my partner and i are really big hikers and know dove stones really well and done the walks many times. the weather for the 11 Dec 2015 in London was 14 c around the time he set off.. really mild for that time of year and one of the warmest on record..hence why he didn't have winter clothes on and just slip on shoes not heavy walking boots..... it was a Friday ...i think he was meeting someone for the weekend and was not planning on killing himself as he had a return ticket.you dont buy a return ticket if you want to do yourself in...he got to the pub around 2 pm..to do the walk from the pub to half way up the hill would take around one to 2 hours walking...there are 2 to 3 lay byes going up the hill and Indians head is on the other side of the ravine where you walked..and half way up the hill...dovestones can get really busy at the weekends and on holidays and as a lot of non English people walking round Muslims /Pakistani people..only mentioning this as he lived in pakistan...so if your wanting to meet anyone without being seen its a great place no cctv... might have some now but non in 2015....the poison does not add up..he would not have been laid there with arms crossed and peaceful ...if the police would have checked his net usage for the months before and his phone they might have got a little closer to solving the mystery..cheers mate great work...
@@PtangYangKipperbang thank you so much mate for the information and comment! You really have made some great points there. It’s such a complex case and it could go many ways. Food for thought though most definitely. Cheers once again and take care ⭐️👍🏼
Very sad story. Find your channel very Iinteresing..I origanally was born in Salford lived in scales street. Was demolished in the 70s or 80s
Thank you so much Susan, I’m really glad that you’ve found the channel and you find it interesting. I’m currently editing the next video that will be up very soon. That makes 2 of us from Salford haha. Thanks once again and take care 🙌🏼
Great video 😊 Thank you
Thank you so much for watching Sue, I really appreciate it. Take care 👍🏼🌟
This is fantastic daft monkey, a case that has always been intriguing. David sounds like a man who was as mysterious in life as in death. A lot of indigenous Americans used to know when they were ready to die and would take themselves to a beautiful place to die. It might link in with the Indians head, also there could have been foul play or espionage. I have a strong feeling he would be pleased it was a mysterious death as he was so private in life. I like the way you have made this film in such a sensitive and respectful way. I wish david much peace in the afterlife. 🔴🟡🟢
Thanks so much Ruth your such a kind and thoughtful person. I think you might be onto something there in regards to Indians head 👏🏼 the whole case is very strange and it could be a number of things but ultimately I wish he’s now found peace. Thanks for taking the time out to watch the video and making some great points. Take care 🙌🏼
Hi Ruth sorry for some weird reason when you comment I can see what you’ve written but I can’t reply back. Thing it’s something to do with TH-cam. Thanks so much for watching the video! It’s so sad what happened but 200 years of it’s still as macabre and fascinating as it was back then. Hope your good and sorry for not messaging back it’s not me it TH-cam being silly 😂 take care Ruth ✌🏼❤️
@@daftmonkey7296 thanks for getting back anthony, it's so frustrating because it only happens certain times 😂, and only seems to on your channel. Your work is so entertaining. 🔴🟡🟢
@@t_ruth555 haha I know it’s not just you it happened to on my channel, it’s done it to a few people. Haha so annoying. Thanks a lot Ruth, your support always encourages me to carry on! ⭐️⭐️⭐️
@@daftmonkey7296 great stuff , keep up the good work,, 🔴🟡🟢
Really interesting stuff been reading more about it on the web. Seemed he specifically chose to travel from Pakistan to London where he booked a travel lodge room for five days. The next day he travelled to Manchester and then on to the moor. It seems he specifically chose this place and from the end of the video view it may be apparent why. I feel he may have been there before maybe many years previously. This could explain his need to get directions to where he wanted to get to. It's possibly something we will never know the answer to. But, your video certainly got me thinking. If he had never been there it is still possible he saw pictures or paintings of that specific area.
Thanks so much for watching Mike, I really do appreciate it. Yeah, it’s such a strange case that like you said I don’t think we will ever quite get to the bottom of. A real head scratcher of a story. Thanks once again and take care 🙌🏼👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 Many thanks.
Another Blinding vid. Gets the mind going doesn't it . So sad but yet intriguing. Looked cold doing this one.
Mind you i bet your dads Racoon hair keeps him warm 🤣😂
Hahah! 😂😂😂😂😂 I’m howling here!! Very cold but the old skunk weasel was snug as a bug 😂
great video nice one,
Thank you so much Docking Bay! Keep up the great work 🙌🏼
I know the signs unfortunately… This is Suicide. 💔💀RIP David & Maz.
The moors version of the Somerton Man (aka Charles Webb)
Tamám Shud.
I Often wonder if he was a sleeper agent from the former USSR who was just left !
Great comment mate! Nothing would surprise me with this case.
@@daftmonkey7296 ya , you know I was eating fish and chips today here in Sydney and I was reading about the Somerton Man , a similar case here in Adelaide, South Australia. I recommend you have a look.
I thought the Lahore connection, Pakistan was know to harbour agents as a go between during the Cold War ! Just a thought! I have left a link to Somerton man ! , thanks for the Doco , fantastic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_Man
What gets me is why he paid for 5 nights in the Travelodge.
Same here Sandy. It’s very strange, so many things that really don’t add up. Thank you so much for watching ⭐️
@@daftmonkey7296 Return train ticket too.....
Out of all the places in the world,why lahore? Iv been to pakistan and been to lahore. Yes its a nice city ,very vibrant and busy ,a city where a person can easily dissapear/blend into.he could have lived lavishly there if wanted as £1 there is like 120 rupees.yet he chose to live simply maybe to not draw attention. but why pakistan? I got a feeling the spy theory kind of has a bit of weight to it..maybe not a spy but informer or maybe knew somthing.
Who knows .Somthing dosnt sit
right.and the poison ,did customs at airport not check the medication or ask what it was? Usually need a gp letter confirming that the medication is prescribed when going or comming from Pakistan from own experience last travelled there in 2017 and that was still the case.
Very strange one this .
Thankyou for the content.
I wonder if strychnine would build up in the body if taken in small doses over time? If so that could have been the day that it had its last effect on him? Does seem strange though? Poor man, I hope he rests in peace. Thanks for another fascinating vlogumentary!!
Thank you so much for watching Binx! You’ve made some excellent points, very thought provoking. I hope he’s at rest now and at peace too. Thanks once again and take care
Did he live with dementia some of these strange occurrences sound similar to what dementia patients experience daily
Great video and awesome country over there. I tend to think he took his own life, I also think he knew how and where he wanted to go. I feel there must have been some heartache he was dealing with, perhaps the loss of someone he loved. As for the place, well there are always places people want to see, places they have heard about from other people or maybe someone dear to him. Certainly where he was found is a beautiful place. As for the manner in which he was found, I am not sure what the weather was like, but hypothermia could have been the culprit. Perhaps he took the strychnine pills with him to use, but decided not to.
Thanks so much for watching the video Paul, it is such a beautiful place and I think the same as you. I believe he took his own life but I’m also open to other possibilities and there’s so many question marks around the whole case. I think he must have been going though some sort of heartache. Maybe not someone who died but possibly broken hearted thought being rejected or something? Couldn’t even have been his sexuality or anything even though none of this was ever confirmed in the investigation. He might have had a few skeletons in this closet ? I dunno just speculating.Thanks for watching mate I really do appreciate it. Take care 🙌🏼
I think he took his own life, maybe he knew he was unwell n didn't want to suffer or he may have had depression or something going on mentally, but I feel he chose to die in a beautiful place
I think to exit another country so quicky you are either being targeted for doing something wrong or you have been forced to do something against your own will. The photos of him does look like a spy or something he has an odd look to him!
I agree with you mate, there has to be something more to it. I think this mystery is far from over. Maybe something will come out one day. I hope so, it’s baffling me to say the least. Thanks for watching Sean, I really do appreciate it buddy. Take care 👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 thanks keep the vids coming they are brilliant!
@@seany84uk thanks a lot Sean. That means a lot mate 🙌🏼
Brilliant work 👏👏👏
It would be interesting to know how much money he had left upon returning from Lahore ..
Thanks so much Pj! Yeah, I really would. I’ll do some more research
@@daftmonkey7296 This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. Wish you every success. You deserve many many more subscribers..👍
@@pj9051 that really does mean the world to me Pj! Thank you so much 🙏🏼
Hi I think it's interesting why he didn't get the train to greenfield from Piccadilly as its only takes 15 minutes. We need information on his journey there really as is a mystery. Real headscratcher
Yeah that’s a great point actually Al, and one that I never thought about…. I wonder why he did that? Thanks so much more watching mate. I really do appreciate that 👍🏼
Beautiful scenery, as you say! Thank you for your work on this. I would agree the gentleman planned his suicide. Maybe he learned some techniques, like Buddhists, to remain calm, like those who have set fire to themselves. Perhaps he took little doses of the poison over time, so that his body got used to it, so when he took the large dose he wasn't convulsing. I wish I had met him and said or done something that made him change his mind about dying. He seemed very methodical, determined, and courageous.
thanks so much dotty! you've made some excellent points there!
Interesting stuff ,I reckon foul play too ,cos why would he have a return ticket to London Euston ? If I was gonna do away with myself I wouldn't get a return ticket .
Defo someone else involved
Very true. I suspect there was something more to it. Thanks for watching Heidi 👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 No thank you for an interesting video .👍👍
i googled the poison and apparently it take a few hours to die why would you want to die that way he would have no time to enjoy the scenery doesn't make sense
It’s very strange to say the least Paul. I can’t get my head around it. Part two coming up hahah
1000 piece jigsaw & you're missing that last piece that will complete the picture.
I wonder if someone did intend to take his life but he was given the option to do it himself? Some many possibilities & very few answers.
Now that is a very good question Diane! Wow I never though of that! Why didn’t I think of that! Haha! 🤯🤯 thank you so much for watching the video too, I really do appreciate it. Take care Diane 🙌🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 like you I'm intrigued by those crimes that have a question mark. I shall wait for a follow up because I think there's one to do. Good luck with your endeavour.
I think your assumption that he was some sort of spy is plausible. Why, of all the places in the world would you move to Lahore, a place that at the time he would have been living there was a terrorist hotspot for clashes with Al Qaida and the armed forces. In 2014, before David came home, there was an serious incident in Lahore.whereby the Pakistan Awami Tehreek activists clashed with Police resulting in several deaths. As David was a loner and people seemed to know little about him, it fitted the bill he could of been some sort of spy. I may be far off the mark but it is a rather odd story. Thank you so much for the video, as always brilliant
Maybe the answer lies in Pakistan?
Good shout Ste! 🙌🏼
I've always found this case intriguing. I believe he did end his life and chose a beautiful location to spend his final moments. Love the video by the way
@@steman4312 even though there are many different theories, I think that one is the most logical. Thanks for watching the video Ste, I really do appreciate mate. Take care 👍🏼
Thanks bud, same to you 👍
"Dove"stones
Now I'm nowhere near religious, don't visit church, don't pray - but I remember the Dove being a symbol in Christianity somewhere along the line regarding peace etc
I'm thinking he committed suicide to be at peace for whatever reasoning. With Dovestones being symbolic to him , dove and all that? And how peaceful that area is.
That's my take anyway lol 😁
In Christian Iconography, a dove also symbolizes the Holy Spirit, in reference to Matthew 3:16 and Luke 3:22 where the Holy Spirit is compared to a dove at the Baptism of Jesus. ...
a very valid comment mate and one that seems very plausible. I like that you think out of the box mate and you share an interest in things like this. I might have to do a follow up soon and possibly do another video? Thanks once again mate and if you have anymore thoughts get in touch. Take it easy mate 👍🏼
How very sad.
Well that certainly is a mystery, I kinda think he intended to commit suicide. But why would you wait until he got where he did before taking the poison? I think it could be like you suggested and he wanted a really beautiful place to end it all. Well done Anthony, a really great and interesting vlog and as usual, brilliantly put together.
Great point mate, some of it really doesn’t add up with me. Of all the ways to go why strychnine? Really strange all round isn’t it. Thanks once again mate, much appreciated 🙌🏼👍🏼
Do you think someone took his I.D and his phone? Did he have a phone.