THE BILL O' JACKS MURDERS - SADDLEWORTH (UNSOLVED)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- In this weeks video I would love you "THE VIEWER" to tell me (comment section) who you think did the crime?
All the facts and evidence will be presented to you! So its I'm trusting your judgement on trying to solve this crime!
Often, when somebody mentions the Saddleworth Moors an immediate impression of the (Brady & Hindley) Moors Murders comes to mind. But on Monday the 2nd April 1832, another heinous murder occurred at a pub called The Moor Cock, or Bill O’ Jacks, which was its popular name. A murder where two men were slain in bloody savagery which is remembered to this day.
The pub was owned by William Bradbury (Bill) aged 84 who lived there with his son Thomas (Tom) aged 46, a gamekeeper who was unpopular and renown for his quick temper. The name Bill O’ Jacks came from William whose father was named Jack, thus he became Bill (the son of) Jacks - Bill O’ Jacks. Later, for some obscure reason, the pub was also known as Bills O’ Jacks. The pub was situated high above Yeoman Hey Reservoir and long before Dovestone reservoir was built.
On the early evening of Monday 2nd April 1832, Tom returned from a day on the moors and was relaxing with his friend and pub regular Reuben Platt. They were walking down the road from the pub to Greenfield where Tom was to buy some groceries and Reuben going to his home. Just after they set off they met Bill on his way to the pub and Tom gave his father the door key. Tom and Reuben carried on and some way down they met three men resting at the side of the road. One of the men asked them, in an Irish accent, how long was it to Holmfirth to which they replied about eight miles. Tom said to Reuben that he was uneasy about these men and was worried about his father being on his own at the pub. After reaching Greenfield the two men parted and, after getting his groceries, Tom returned to go back to the Moor Cock. After this, nothing was really known. WEB-BIL-O-JACS
On Tuesday morning, Bill’s granddaughter, Amelia, was sent to the pub to fetch some yeast from her grandfather. On arriving at the pub she saw somebody she could not recognise (Tom) lying in a pool of blood on the floor. She ran upstairs to find her grandfather lying on a bed also soaked in blood. Running to the nearest house at Binn Green (since demolished) about half-a-mile away, where she told the neighbour, James Whitehead who dashed to the scene and sent for a surgeon Mr Higginbottom, who eventually arrived from Uppermill and this is what he found according to a newspaper report.
“Thomas Bradbury was still on the floor, for such was the terror created by the spectacle, that those who had before arrived, were incapable of affording him any assistance. He was lying on his face in a pool of blood, with which his clothes were soaked; his head and face appeared to be a mass of clotted gore. Though apparently unconscious he made frequent attempts to rise from the floor, but each time sunk again into the pool of blood in which he had been lying. At this time pulsation had ceased at the wrist, and he was in fact, struggling in the agonies of death. In the chamber ( bedroom) was the old man, who, from the marks on the floor and the staircase, appeared to have waded through the blood in his stockings, and made his way upstairs to bed. He was insensible and talking incoherently. There was a deep cut to the left side of the head down to the parietal bone, which was considerably depressed. the fingers on the left hand were cut to pieces; the wrist and elbow of the left arm were cut and mangled in a shocking manner, the muscle being cut through to the bone, which was broken to pieces; and the body from head to foot was covered in bruises”.
Tom who they knew was beyond help was taken to bed and was found to have sixteen wounds to the head, two of which had fractured his skull, and bruises all over his body, he died before they could finish dressing his wounds., the old man died in the early hours of the following morning.
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Thank you for the video, again. Absolutely amazing. I live in Mossley, very close to Greenfield. It is definitely very macabre and full of intrigue round there. You're extremely talented at this film making.
Thank you so much David, I honestly really appreciate the kind words! I really means a lot. Yeah, spot on mate, there’s such a heavy presence around that area that’s for sure. Thanks once again David and take care mate 🙌🏼⭐️
Another brilliant video so well made, should be a tv documentary the work you put in is faultless, keep them coming. try some butter on your Eccles cake next time it makes them even better.
Thanks a lot Judd! I really appreciate that mate. Haha they was really nice wasn’t they. I’ll definitely try some butter 🧈 on them. Cheers 🙌🏼
Found myself at the grave yesterday. I watched your video a few months back, love your vids. I was talking to the guy who looks after the graveyard and church. He pointed it out to me along with some other history. Propper chap 👌🏼
I believe it was more than one person, for the scene to be so gruesome and the victims found in different areas. Fantastic vlog can’t wait for the next one!
Yeah I’m definitely swinging towards that too Chelsy! Thanks so much for Watching, take care ⭐️
My brother and i were just talking about this story, i live a 5 minute walk from there. I decided to look on TH-cam to see if there's any story about it and found you had done one , I'm already subscribed to your channel. Really enjoyed watching , Thank you ❤
Thanks so much Carol, it was a chilling case to cover and one that was although very cold, great to film. I’m still trying to get warm 😁 it was freezing. Thanks for watching the video, glad you enjoyed it 👍🏼
I used to walk my dogs around Dovestones twice a week , that area you’re talking about is a very creepy place , totally agree you can feel it . Great video ❤
Thats a truly superb video, so pleased you did this my parents used to tell me about this murder as I used to go hiking up there in the winter , seen the grave, so interesting but I still wouldn't like to say who did the grisly deed. You did them proud lad. Many stories from up there are in the books by Ammon Wrigley a story teller, my grandparents used to be in his fellowship going to the Star pub on Union St, Oldham to listen to his readings.
Thank you so much Valerie! I’m so glad you enjoyed it and it connected with you. The story is terribly gruesome but also fascinating too. Thanks once again and take care ⭐️⭐️⭐️
Somehow i missed this one till now, loved it. I love that you touch things to feel the history, I do that somehow it helps to connect to our past brings it to life being able to touch the past 😊
Glad you enjoyed it, loved filming this one. yeah theres definitely a connection to the history when you touch the remnants of the past
You've never failed to amaze me. Exceptional research and filming.
Thank you so much Dave, that’s very kind of you mate. Take care 🙌🏼👍🏼
Great work DM! what a sad yet intriguing story, thanks for taking us to the location, seeing the ruins makes it even more real. Steve opening the sandwich was hilarious!!😂😂 top job! 👍👌
Haha, nice one mate. I’m glad you enjoyed it! It took Him longer to open his sandwich than it did working out how to open his pop up tent ⛺️ 🤣🤣
Another cracking vid. This is impossible to call and if only someone could solve it, which could bring some belated “ justice” though I use that word pretty scornfully now. My conscious bias ( sorry but being a northern Irish Protestant and unionist it exists ) says the Irishmen. My rational sense says this story about the 3 is far too convenient and perfect scapegoats for a legal system that would,and did struggle in the day to get solid convictions based on proper scientific and genuine evidence. The manner of their death, the actual violence used if that was today they’d be thinking…personal. Extremely vicious and almost trying to wipe out not only their lives but the very visual existence of them. Horrifying. I certainly get your feeling of malevolence at the place knowing what you did and you’d certainly be imagining what it must’ve been like in that desolate place and the victims knowing they were alone to face this horror. Absolutely love this relationship with your dad my eldest lad and me are like this and it’s a joy to witness and even better to experience, truly lucky. Bet you’re as proud of him as he is of you, wonderful. 👍
Hello from Georgia in the USA. Another incredible video! Love watching your docs. I enjoy learning about history in the UK. You are so talented. Looking forward to the next one! Stay safe. 😊
Wow! I can’t believe my video has made it all the way over to the USA! Thanks so much for the kind words! I really appreciate you taking the time out to watch the video and I’m really glad you enjoyed it. Thanks once again and take care Kalli! ⭐️🙌🏼
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Wow, never heard this story previously. Really enjoyed this, it was fascinating stuff! As always professionally produced, great narratives and editing and kept it interesting throughout, holding my attention every second. What an amazing find with the cellars still there. Loved the added humour too haha, your Dad never lets us down, 'spicy, not like curry, Eccles cakes ' lol, all that sugar should have given him plenty of energy to open that bloody sandwich quicker too! desert before main, the way forward! Ps....next time your out in those consitions you need a bit of Bailey's in those coffee's for warmth. Thanks for the entertainment, well done again, see you on your next production.
Thanks so much for watching Anne-Marie that’s very kind of you. It was pretty hard to edit this one but I’m happy with how it turned out.
Haha yeah the Eccles cake incident was crazy wasn’t it. I’m laughing my head off here at your comment ! 😂😂😂 yeah that’s a great shout! Baileys 👌🏼 thanks once again & take care 🙌🏼⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Another superb vid..filming, research and music..and Eccles cakes...intriguing bit of history unsolved after all those years, thanks for bringing us this mystery and the feel of the eeriness of the moors..brilliant DM 🐒
Keep this vids coming 👍
Nice one dad and thanks for coming, you’d still be opening the sandwich if it wasn’t for the directions 😂
Directions...lol
Another great video! I'd not heard of this sad tale before. You did a really good job. Teared up a bit listening to the epitaph. 👍
Thanks so much Helen,m. It’s such a sad story and one that I tried to do justice the best I possibly could. Thanks so much for watching and the kind words. Take care ⭐️🐒
Another brilliant watch! You have a talent, keep going. The timer on your Dad’s butty opening was funny. No rush but looking forward to seeing the next one already. Take care and thanks for the education and the entertainment. You deserve to go far!
Thank you so much Linda, I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Haha he’s gonna kill me isn’t he 😂 I’ll get him again on the next one 😂😂 thanks for the kind words! Take care Linda 🙌🏼⭐️
Just another fantastic vlog. Brilliant work DM.
Thanks a lot Lee! Cheers mate 🙌🏼
Another fantastic video. Love the presentation and the amount of work you must put into these.
Sad tale, horrific, intriguing all the same. I think they interrupted a burglary and it went wrong from there on.
Thanks a lot Chris, I really appreciate you watching mate . Yeah, excellent point mate, there’s a real good chance the burglary was interrupted. It must have been such an horrific sight to see. Thanks once again mate, take it easy 🙌🏼⭐️
I remember my Dad telling me about this as we drove on the road he pointed up in the hillside saying the pub was somewhere up there.
They are not forgotten. A fitting tribute to them by visiting the grave.
The story of this murder has stood the test of time hasn’t it. The story passed on from generation to generation. Thanks a lot Bill, it was the least i could do🙏🏼💫
Amazing upload the work you put in is phenomenal👏
Thank you so much Louise! It’s worth the time and effort when people like yourself appreciate the video! Thanks once again 🙌🏼✌🏼🐒
Great video as always...anyone else's favourite bit when they stop for a brew and a chat. Love their relationship 💖
Aw thanks so much Elly! Haha yeah my favourite part is always sitting in my backside having a brew 😂 especially when there’s Eccles cakes involved 😂 thanks so much for watching and take care Elly 🙌🏼⭐️
@@daftmonkey7296 love an Eccles cake...now we're in Wales it's a taste of home. Though Welsh cakes ain't too bad
You and your Da keep safe now
Heard of this before . Youare a great narrator buddy keep it up love your vlogs 😊
Brilliant stuff bud...I may have mentioned that area,of Saddleworth has some strange and dark history..
Thanks a lot mate! Yeah it’s extremely strange in areas isn’t it. And like you said, the history is very dark around their pal
Thank you for another outstanding video. Very well researched and put together. I think it was definitely calculated murder but I'm not sure by who because the old man was disliked by many. It could have been someone who you didn't mention in the video. I'm looking forward to watching the next one 👌
It’s a tough one isn’t it Jackie, thanks so much for watch and thank you for the kind words. Take care ⭐️
Nice to actually get to see your dad!😊
great video editing
This jogged a memory when I saw the title, used to spend a bit of time around uppermill, Greenfield area. Very good vid mate although looked a little cold😄
Great work mate.
Outstanding production quality
Love them all.
Thanks
That is very kind of you!! Thanks so much! I’m really glad you enjoyed it 🙌🏼 take care ✌🏼⭐️
I am a little behind here, but you do a superb job of bringing the story to life!
Very interesting indeed, once again another cold case never solved. So sad that no one was apprehended 😢 thanks DM your filming is excellent 😊
Thank you so much Shirley. One that really did have me scratching my head.
Wow Ant that was powerful and you certainly captured the deaths of Bill and his son. What a tragic end no matter what a troubled pair they might have been. I can almost feel the eeriness of the place where the pub was and surrounding area. Not got an explanation why I think it was the 2 gypsy Plats except that they had history with Bill and took it one step further by murdering him and his son. Love that your dad goes exploring with you and it was funny to see him open that sandwich bless him. I think you deserve more recognition for these videos you are making. Absolutely love listening to you......thank you xx
Thank you so much for the kind words Gaynor. This one was great to actually go and film. I agree, that whole area really does have an eeriness about it, especially at the murder site where the pub once stood. Thanks once again and take care 🌟🐒
I live 5 minutes from here & I've never heard about this!
easy listening great video to watch yet again thanks
Thank you so much Happy Days! Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the support! 🙌🏼⭐️
Yet another great vlogumentry mate . Horrific way to meet your end . Shame they never caught who was to blame . . Your dad trying to get into that sarnie 🤣🤣 . And I would say it was the gypsy peddlers. If they had a grudge against them after being threatened
Sorry mate only just noticed this comment. Hahaha he can’t wait to whip out his Morrison’s finest can he 😂😂 yeah that’s a great point mate! It’s pretty likely too. Thanks once again Ian! Take it easy mate 🙌🏼
Another excellent vid.
I appreciate that, cheers Stephen :)
AWWW ! Dear Laddie , Won't you help your dad open that sandwich box?! HAha. That was amusing though.
Plus it's Nice to get out in the wilderness and do things with your family like this. And thank's also for talking about history in places that me as an American girl had never heard about. I love history and love hearing about vintage crimes no matter what side of the globe they are on.
I agree with some other's here that the murders were probably done by more than one person with this sort of carnage !
You are a nice and talented young man and I wish your channel all the best.😊
Your fan from America, Chrissy 💙
Haha! He was really struggling with opening that sandwich wasn’t he 😂😂 I’m so mean 🙈
I’ve got plenty more videos like this lined up too Chrissy. The moorland over here has many dark and sinister stories that are waiting to be unearthed. I’ve also got another one that I will be doing in Angel meadow again. Thanks for the support and love show by yourself all the way over from America! It means a lot to me! Take care and thanks for the kind words 🙌🏼🐒
Another world class vlog mate, loved it
Thanks a lot Ian! Much appreciated mate. Stay safe pal 🙌🏼
Love these vids, can't wait for lockdown to come to an end so I can watch even more of these fascinating adventures 👍
Thanks so much Mark, I really appreciate that! I can’t wait to get back out and get filming properly. Take care buddy 🙌🏼
I really enjoyed this - I'm not local to Manchester so I learn about local history from you. Brill!
Thank you so much Steve. I’m so glad that you enjoyed it mate, thank you once again, take care ⭐️
Do love the little tea break segment!🤣❤️
Hahaha worth it just for that 😂 🫖
Absolute stonker Anthony, my money would be on that Mitchell geezer as he had previous, went on to commit crimes in Nottingham and then again in Aussie, serial killer that one mate. As usual superbly put together and presented, much better than a lot of stuff on tele in my opinion. The wind noise?? i think that just adds to the whole atmosphere of your film. Keep up the good work mate.
Thanks so much for the kind words Zammer. I really do appreciate that! Yeah great point mate! That guy was through and through evil but the sound of things. Thanks for watching mate, take care ⭐️
Your dad is gonna love you 😂👍👍👍
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Interesting video of my family history. They were my 7th and 8th grandfathers I think is the correct description. My middle name is also Bradbury, a name that was carried through the family.
Stunning work Anthony (and dad)! Wow, what a story - I'm going to watch it again before I offer an opinion on who I think might have been the culprit(s). Can I just say that the quality of your work is outstanding and that if you don't already work in media, then there is surely a place at the top table for you. Loved the quirky 'time for a brew' segment! Do you have one of those 'Kofi' accounts that I've been hearing about?
Thanks so much Padraic! Much appreciated mate. No, I don’t work in media mate unfortunately I work in the world of paint manufacturing...a complete contrast eh. Yeah, I love breaking up the video with a nice lighthearted coffee break to lift the mood a little and no kofi account. Thank for the kind words once again mate, take care ⭐️
Epic vid i love the chilling way you do these vids.
Is it wrong that 2mins into it i was wondering what you were going to have for lunch with your old man this time 🤣😂 love the banter 👍👍
Aww thanks a lot for watching! Haha, I try and surprise him with something new each time hahah 🍰 thanks once again, take care ⭐️🙌🏼
Hi chaps, yep those were the cellars of the pub. My friend and her family farm the land and their home is just up past the trees and she says the cellars are still accessible. The Swan Inn up in dobcross has cellars that are the same low arch shape.....that pub is where parts of Yanks was filmed and it is also.......haunted.....thats one for you dad. 🐶🐶🐶
Hi Sarah, sorry for the 2month late reply lol I have only just seen this. Thanks for the information and taking the time out to watch the video. You are a really help! Take care :)
@@daftmonkey7296 omg is it 2 months ago....wow. well i am back at work now up at the swan inn dobcross and so glad to be back there. 😊
@@sarahcrowther6267 haha, yeah I got a notification and it said from 2month ago! Glad your back at work, I might call in for a pint if I’m ever filming around that way again👍🏼🍺
Very good, a story I hadn’t heard about before.
Thanks a lot mate! Much appreciated. It’s a story that has slipped under the radar to be honest. Take care buddy ⭐️
Blimey!! I honestly couldn't guess who did it with the amount of suspects there were DM. But brilliant video as usual. Nice one
Glad you enjoyed it Mish:)
Excellent as always I've said it before I will say it again . You will end up directing TV documentaries soon I'm sure of it . Really Enjoyed it like all your vids keep it up .
Thanks so much Darren that’s such a kind thing to say. I’d love that mate, it’s probably the ultimate job! Thanks so much for watch too! Take care mate 🙌🏼⭐️⭐️⭐️
This video gave me creepy folk lore vibes. I loved it. I think the people or person who did this must have been someone who knew them. The attack was so personal and brutal like whoever had done that really hated them. It’s sad we’ll never know.
So funny when dad was trying to open that sandwich. The look on your face! 😂
Would love more videos like this! 💗
Thanks a lot al. Yeah still a
Mystery to this day. I would possibly swing towards the 3 Irishmen...if not rueben plat. It’s very surreal to be around their that’s for sure. Thanks for watching ⭐️🙌🏼 x
That was my thinking too, it was so brutal and personal, that I'm sure it must have been someone who knew them and had a grudge. I think an interrupted burglary, with people who were startled, would have been quick kills then escapes, but this/these killer/killers seem to have spent time doing what they were doing, like it was planned.
what a top video once again with you and your dad i was glued to it from start to finish i too am guessing the pats , a place so out the way in the moors in the 18s would have been easy to murder and get away unlike the big towns and city's .wood like to see you both do a spirit box session there top job .
Thanks a lot Martin , I’m glad you enjoyed it mate. Definitely a spirit box session and another trip out their. Might wait until it gets a bit warmer though haha. Yeah I’m thinking too, more than likely it was the pats. Thanks once again buddy
Excellent content... Superbly edited
Thanks a lot mate! Much appreciated Ste ⭐️
Another great video - Hard to say for certain, but I believe it was the Irish travelers behind the murders. One of the victims before he died said 'Pats' (plural form) meaning there was more than one person. If it was a simple robbery, they would have just killed the the victim's quickly and made their escape, but the perpetrators took the time to thoroughly bludgeon them. This shows that the killers new their victim(s) and there was some hatred between them.
Yeah great shout that Paul! Some very interesting points you’ve made mate. I too believe it to be the Irish men that did it. They must have overpowered the Bill and Tom and completely beat them to a pulp. Thanks for watching once again mate, the support is much appreciated. Take care Paul ✌🏼⭐️
Great work again dm 👍look forward to next vlog 😎
Thank you 🙌
This is so good mate. Cheers
Thanks a lot Andy, glad you enjoyed it mate
Awesome vid. I drove past there today, ill be taking a closer look next time im Passing by. 👍🏻
Wrap up warm fella or it could be You that they find on the moors next! Ha ha. Great work mate!
Haha, I would have sooner died that day than film another second😂 thanks for watching mate
Reuben Platt (1791-1849) Saddleworth (Primrose Hill) was my 3rd GGF. Nice account of the story! I hope to see it myself one day. Of course I believe Reuben is innocent.
Wow, that’s incredible Jody. Was anything ever mention throughout the family of these incident? Thanks so much for watching too ⭐️
I found out about it doing family research a few years ago, but no family lore that I am aware of. I am descended from Reubens son Henry who came to America and but returned and died in Saddleworth. I wonder if the murders influenced his wanting to leave.
I don’t know if I’ll ever get to the UK to see the Saddleworth Moor. I really appreciate seeing it, and the graveyard on your video. Thank you so much for the wonderful views.
@@jodyplatt4083 wow, that’s some fascinating family history you have there Jody. I’m really surprised that Henry came all the way back to Saddleworth, like you say maybe the murders did influence him? Who knows… the whole story is very mysterious and one that really gripped me from the second I heard about it.
I made another video which is on my channel called “The Mystery Of The Man On The Moor” that you might like? That’s also is about another mysterious death that happened in Saddleworth but on the other side of Moor from Bill O Jacks. That whole area has seen a lot of deaths over the years that’s for sure.
Thank you so much for checking out the video and I’m so glad that you have a connection to it. Oh, and before I go, the graveyard at end of the video was really cool. It was such an eerie place to visit.
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Great video lads, have you heard about another double murder the Marsden Moor Murders 1903 made news as far as Australia be a great story for you to cover
Cheer Paul, no I haven’t but I’ll definitely look into it 👍🏼
Very nice video greetings from Piney Flats iTn, USA
Wow! All the way in USA! Brilliant! Thank you so much for watching the video! I’m so glad you enjoyed it. Take care 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 ⭐️🙌🏼
GREAT VID
Thanks a lot Chris, much appreciated mate :)
Again you've made a great video. Very sad, but it looked beautiful there.
Thanks a lot Martin, yeah it’s so sad but the story was waiting to be revived. Such a beautiful place too. Thanks so much for watching mate ⭐️
@@daftmonkey7296 One of the few pleasurs we have in life right now. Keep on filming!
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Great video once again. I'm just sorry that the building was demolished it would have been an historic place to visit had it still been standing and in tact but maybe times were different then and they might have wanted to destroy any evidence of the gruesome crimes who really knows ?
Very true mate. Would have been great to see it in all its glory. Could just imagine it serving Sunday roast if it was still open and people talking about the murders all those years later. Would have been a very atmospheric place. Thanks for watching mate
I get what your dad means by "spicy". Cakes with cinnamon or clove can taste spicy. :-P
Haha yeah I get him too, it was just the way he said it 😂 thanks for watching Gary 👍🏼
Very well done . Excellent in fact . Thank you .
For my money it was probably a brawl with the Irish navies that killed them
Thank you very much for watching the video and commenting mate. I really do appreciate it. Yeah, I’d have to say it was the navies too. Such an interesting story. Thank you once again 👍🏼
You are such a talented lad you will go far I am hooked on your video's can't stop watching them now. I can tell you are close to your dad.Get some butter on the eccles cake lovley.
Thank you so much Pauline! I’m so glad that your enjoying the content, I’ve got plenty more lined up including another one very soon. Thank for the support and kind words. Take care ⭐️🙌🏼
Great video 😊
Thanks for watching Sue! Take care ⭐️⭐️
Oldham Theatre did a play all about this murder 18 months ago.
I would have loved to have seen that!
@@daftmonkey7296 and myself bro
I think PATS used to refer to Irish tincker,s back in the day! I know that my grandfather who had faugh in both world war,s used to call them that!
@@michellewhittaker4687 that’s correct Michelle!
I would suggest the Irish men did it as Tom did feel worried of them
Very good theory! One I also felt was correct. Such a tragic story. A real shame they attackers were never brought to justice. Thanks so much for watching 👍🏼
Pats its old shorthand for Irish
Another brilliant video lad, if i was to guess I'd say in my opinion I'm feeling these gypsies Tom was extorting if they was on the moor they knew the way around they knew how to get the two guys and I think they thought once they are gone they don't pay a penny any more, and when he said pat's that would fit in makes sense to me.
Yeah Great shout that Curtis, you are most probably right! A proper gruesome story but one that is equally as fascinating. Thanks for watching mate, take it easy ⭐️🙌🏼
I think the son's friend killed the Dad and then when the son came home he killed him as well
@@barbaracallaghan8811 very good theory Barbara! Thanks for watching ⭐️
You must do a video about The terror of Salford Paul wood. died / murdered 1987
Ohhh I’ll look into that! Thanks so much
@@daftmonkey7296 here is a video of his sisters talking about him th-cam.com/video/RC6-sxIZbBk/w-d-xo.html
@@BlytheWorld1972 thanks a lot, I’ll check it out ! 🙌🏼
I reckon it was Platt , not the Irish men , they wouldn't have the guts and they wouldn't kill a landlord because that would be cutting off their noses to spite their face , Mitchell is out aswell , he was just trying to claim fame for doing something even if it was wrong , I think Platt secretly hated Tom and poor old Bill had to go to cover up the crime , Fabulous work again Young Man.
Great point Roz! Platt was the one who had me thinking too. Something was a bit a miss with him that’s for sure! Thanks so much for watching mate and take care 🙌🏼👍🏼
Without hearing exactly how Bill said his last words it could be either way. They had quite a few fueds so I would have to say it's mostly likely the three Irish or the gypsies because they would have had the biggest grudge.
Reuben Platts I think is a good suspect. The old man was having difficulty breathing. He could have been trying to say Platts and they miss heard him thinking he was saying pats. I mean yes the three Irish men could be suspects. But they also could have actually been trying to get to that place they were said to be asking about too. Also they could have been involved and Platts used there encounter on the road as a way to throw his friend off of what he had planned.
You’ve made some great points there ToMoon! And you’ve provoked more questions for me haha! Maybe a follow up? A part 2 haha. Thanks so much for watching, I’m glad you enjoyed the video! Take care 🙌🏼👍🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 I've been interested in true crime and cold cases since I was a teen.
wood ???? would ha ha sorry
That's what I thought before you said it I think he said plat instead of pat's
Defo mate, something doesn’t add up does it. Thanks for Watching mate and take care 🙌🏼
@@daftmonkey7296 you 2 mate stay safe 👍
Done multiple invests up there, spirit box sessions etc...interesting place. They are buried at St Chads Church in Uppermill, might be worth a visit too :)
Eccles/Chorley cakes without butter 🙄🙄🙄.. and spicy?? 🙂🙂
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great stuff DM, you have a real talent and iv subscribed. keep it up pal👉👌👈
@@manincuffs thank you so much! Really glad to hear you are enjoying the content! Plenty more to come!
hi, is that paw🦊 prints on the grave?💛
How strange, I never noticed that Grazia! Yes, it looks like they are paw prints 🧐
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These are my distant relatives, my mum did our family tree
That’s amazing Paula, who in particular are you related too? I’d love to know, thanks for watching⭐️
Have you done one on the Gorse Hall murder? Another unsolved murder.
I haven’t Bill, sound interesting? Where did it take place? Obviously Gorse hall, but where is/was that?
Fantastic video think the Irish men are strong candidates not that I'm against the Irish cos I'm from Irish desent and prode of it 3 irish men were hung for robbery at Shrewsbury jail in 1836 its not to fetched to think that they could have the dastardly deed
Wow that’s a great bit of info there Mark, thanks so much mate. I never knew that. Yeah I’m swinging towards the Irish men too. Thanks so much for watching, I really do appreciate you taking the time out to watch it. Take care mate 👍🏼
Hi I don't suppose you could tell me how you get in the woods? I'm visiting for the first time in a week and can't work out the route or paths from the car park. Thanks! Oh and spices are like a type of herb but nit from the leafs, like cinnamon, cloves, nutmeg etc 🤣 the word has two food related meaning 😎
Hi, I think we went the long way around and shouldn’t have gone that way. The best way is to go to bin green car park and walk down the road. You can’t miss it. It’s much easier and if I’d have know that I would have used that route instead 🙈 hope you find it and thanks so much for watching the video. Take care ✌🏼🐒
@@daftmonkey7296 Okay cool. I was just a little worried about the "Private" sign that's on the outside of that entrance gate! 😅 I will probably walk through the woods anyway. Thanks!
Very difficult to solve this case as most of the evidence is just circumstantial. In my opinion the father was murdered first and then the son disturbed the scene and he was murdered too. Nevertheless a great video as always and thank you
Just started to watch this channel very good channel. I grew up in that area part of legacy round there .Only so much get talked about .So when I looked back I found out a lot about this man's wife .Wife of Tom kept a cottage not far down that road .In fact you would have had to pass this place to get to Bill's pub .Tom due to his temper had taken up habitation back with his father and described himself as separate from her .Bills pub was under threat of demolition but Bill knew a new road was to be coming there .For some reason he thought he could influence politicians to run this road past his pub .Ln fact he was known to boast to some extent that his pub was an investment .Now back to Tom's wife she in actual fact improved her income greatly after the horrific event .She actually served tea and gave tours. Now this can all be found in print about her and this is the main reason the pub got demolished. It disturbed local people her enterprising spirt after the event .I dont think she was a local girl but Tom and Bill still have relations in those parts still .l actually went to school when very young with one of them .l believe the grave is always visited .Peace 🙏
are these all the actual photographs of people mentioned ie victims, john mitchel,etc
No they aren’t mate. They are actual criminals, but not related to the story. I purely used them for the entertainment of the video. Thanks for watching mate 👍🏼 take care
@@daftmonkey7296 i enjoy your videos,the stories and how you present them but i think you should use pictures of the actual people involved,just a bit of structured criticism.
@@longsightlad I’d love to mate but there are no existing photo of the actual people hence why I found some photos of how i imaged they might look. Thanks for watching ⭐️
LOL WTF is that on the over your right shoulder at 36:35 giving a sec or two
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I might have herd it ,when I was a child growing up in Fleetwood by my grandma and grandpa in the late sixties and early seventies from Wyre Tom
Antony could it your experience with feelings about Bill and Tom is talking you about the what happened at their home you’re dad should do a
A video on his channel the Padrox Club
Yeah that’s definitely on the cards to do Thomas. I’m sure it would be a cracking video. That place is so haunted, you can almost feel it pulsating from the ground. Thanks for watching mate, much appreciated. Take care 🙌🏼⭐️
Rueben wouldn't have gone home without a drink. Or the Irish, they had good reason to hate the English. And 8 miles is a fair distance to walk if you're hungry and needing a drink. He said Plat, I dunno what they called the Irish, Pats?? Good mystery.
Thanks lot mate, glad you enjoyed it ⭐️
you eat the cake before the butty typical Salford ...i really enjoyed the show good one
😂 my grandfather was from Eccles.
I think it was suspect 3, n Eccles cakes are lush x
I couldn't rule that out Cheryl, very suspicious. thanks so much for watching :)
Youve neva lived lad❤ eccles cake is wonderful
hahaha! it's a taste senation!
Subbed you .
Thank you so much, I’ve just done the same to you! Take care 🙌🏼⭐️
Yay. First to comment..xxx
I'll 2nd that !!!
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Thanks a lot Lynn 🙌🏼⭐️⭐️
Watch fred dibnah video. Why was all his stuff still in the house??
Some of the stuff was owned by Leon the owner of yeh property. As to why he had some of his things I really don’t know mate. Thanks for watching though, it’s much appreciated. Take care ⭐️
@@daftmonkey7296 thanks for your reply . Fantastic videos keep them coming helps during these bad times. So thank you very much.
@@oddmix3607 no problem mate, it makes it all worth while when I know people enjoy them. Take care buddy 👍🏼
Need any editing music and stuff get in touch love to help out
@@oddmix3607 thanks a lot, yeah that would be great! 🙌🏼
Ya dad's on drugs, ...spicy..🤣
Hahaha, yeah he’s got to be Stephen! Spicy my arse! Thanks for watching mate, I really appreciate it. Take care 🙌🏼
Without hearing exactly how Bill said his last words it could be either way. They had quite a few fueds so I would have to say it's mostly likely the three Irish or the gypsies because they would have had the biggest grudge.