Holy smokes I would have never guessed the 2022 WRX would even be close to an STi of any year. It's crazy what just a change in power/torque curves with a new engine and gearing can do. Wow. This makes me even more excited to finally receive my ordered WRX next week!
This has been my issue with reviewers. They kept talking about how it feels grown up or this or that but weren't keen on comparing it to what came before. I wish more big names channels actually did this race. I'm waiting for Sam CarLegion to do a legit drag race against a VA STi and WRX. This is what people want to know. I wish I had a drag strip to do this stuff myself.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Thank you so much for this video. It's really top tier comparison and cool to see how quick it really is for being an AWD family sedan. It does make me feel a bit better going with the WRX because like you said, literally NO OTHER reviewer has done any sort of comparison to past generations. Any time I see a "drag race" it's against the Elantra N and the WRX driver isn't that good or something. The Elantra N absolutely smokes the WRX in most videos.. Like I'm talking multiple car lengths/semi lengths and something doesn't seem right about that. Yes, the WRX is going to be a tad slower and I know that, but not as slow as some of those other review videos. Only video that comes close and is realistic is Savagegeese's 4 car comparison between the WRX, Elantra N, GTI and Civic Si. Thank you again, this is great :)
Kinda related but not lol.. I traded my STi for the new BRZ. The STi was e-tuned stage 1 w/ a COBB cat-back & the AWD & sounds it made may have added to the drama of punching out of a corner. But over all, granted I have some super light wheels & it is on some RE71rs, the BRZ feels about the same down to the same exhilarating 2nd gear punch out of a hairpin. Even passing on the freeway seems quicker. In stock form the STi is just old tech and doesn't quite put all of its power down like the modern vehicles do. My comparison & opinion however is drawn more from auto-x and mountain driving bcoz neither are impressive in a straight line. Be it WRX, STi, BRZ, Golf R.. w/e~ I feel these are canyon carvers @ heart and highway pulls and dig racing never tell the whole story.
The Wrx has been neck and neck with the sti in strait line speed since 2009 when they put a different turbo in. Now the fa24 should be faster than a 20 year old engine design. I’ve owned 2 Wrx and have a sti. The Wrx are cheaper to make faster, the sti is a much more complete drivers car. It was also much more satisfying putting in the extra work to build power in the sti, however it does get very pricey. All in all they are both slow and in stock form will get smoked by a soccer mom with a lead foot.
2020 sti owner here I test drove the 23 wrx the other day it was nice sounds system is awesome (sti sucks). That was the only thing I preferred about it. It just seemed to soft and easy to drive. When I got back in my sti I felt at home and like I was driving something with more manual and mechanical feeling.
This is all true. The WRX wasn't meant to replace the STi, just the outgoing VA WRX. The transmission is still cable driven and the suspension is softer. Still for 30k you can't go wrong.
Caution: thus is long but if you want some solid info & opinion from a LONG time Subaru, Mitsubishi, Audi guy who knows history since Group B and recalls every detail of the WRX from 1991 to present, read on from a fresh perspective you won't have read before. Right off, weird references. US didn't get the bugeye STI. And it didn't replace the 22B, it replaced the GC8. That GC8 could be had as a coupe...and it was the coupe that was rallying. The hawkeye was initially VERY poorly received because A) it had the Tribeca face everyone loathed, B) people scoffed at the Limited with its leather, premium style and C) the "Subaru is losing the script" vs "it's not refined enough" paradox hit right at this time. Hatch love? Subaru listened to complaints and gave us a hatch in 2008...then people bitched "where is the F'ing sedan...I want the wing!" But there was the other paradox...that Limited? It did away with a spoiler. And this kicked off the "spoilers are for boy-racers" and the "wing delete" trend was launched. BTW, 2008-2010, nobody really bitched that the STI got big fender flares...in 2011, everyone that got an STI was pissed this visual distinction disappeared, as the WRX got the fenders. Fact is, Subaru really did nothing wrong. In the 90's the homologation cars were built and sold in countries that actually cared about rallying...not NASCAR. The formula of lowly Impreza with badass drivetrain was loved...but love turned into whining about cheap plastic. Shit, when the STI arrived in the US - without a radio - people whined. From this point forward Subaru was in a no win situation. "I love raw" turned into "cheap plastic and where's the heated seats." I lived through all of this, and have a good memory. For young people...ya just have zero clue...it's just all "history I've heard about." > "Ugly"...Uh, that was the charm. In fact, what Subaru is sexy?? Again, when the WRX was adored, it was based on a lowly, truly ugly Impreza. Verdict: Asinine complaint. > Tail lights are "ugly". In 2021, the complaint across the board was "nice Honda Civic". The cure? "If only Subaru connected the red across the back." The problem? Lack of creativity. Me: a nice honeycomb pattern red reflective tape spanning that black trim. I copied various Photoshop renderings people loved. Postes pics on Reddit...and the "enthusiasts" weren't even keeping up with the car in 2021...none were even aware of the "Civic" complaints and my (awesome) fix got mixed reviews. Verdict: you cannot please WRX buyers - they are not Subaru fans. > "The slant on the tail lights". Anyone genuine Subaru fan would have seen the tail light design over FIVE YEARS AGO on the VIZIV concept. > Rear bumper: again...the VIZIV showed us for five years what it woukd look like. However I will concede something here - something only those aware of the VIZIV would know. The concept car had big dual exhaust tips located in those far ends of the bumper (where the reflectors and partial/functional vents are.) Subaru should have ditched this area when they didn't put pipe outlets there. And, they should have the brought the height of the black down. Ideal look? Look no further than the BRZ. Nevertheless, it's liveable. (And learn how to work on your cars, people. Do your own painting of areas like this. Stop paying Aeroflow Dynamics a fortune.) > Something I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE about this review? It points out the fact buyers modify these cars! So much complaining can be voided by just admitting this. Within 5 days I had a muffler delete axleback. People bitch about the GT getting all the good stuff...OMG. Active suspension? We all put coilovers in...I had them on my last four cars. The Recaros? Well, the whining reviewers find a way to complain (oh, lord hp me) but if you want Recaros, buy some. The entry level are affordable - I put used Recaros in my STI and swapped the STI seats to my Outback. The SPT? It shifts faster than you - deal with it. The steering response adjustment? The car has a greatly improved ratio...besides, seriously boy racers I barely EVER heard complaints even when it had a slow rack and people autocrossed it. And Eyesight? Every enthusiast I've met calls it nanny tech and says they'd turn it off. Verdict: all this shows how ridiculously inconsistent people are about this car. > The last comment was PURE GOLD. "You wouldn't buy an STI that looks like this? I call bullshit." You're my hero! Besides, just like people complain they can't afford the GT, how would all the kids afford an STI? Finally, anyone that has a genuine understanding of how automobile development works would 100% understand the decision on the STI. Bummer, sure. End of the world, hardly. Too bad winter arrived. Because when it's warm I have plans for this car I've seen no one doing. I can't quite swing a full rear bumper fabrication. I could afford it (if it worked) but I don't have the $ to spend and have it fail.
I read all of that. You make some fantastic points and I appreciate you coming and providing me some more context and information. I am going to do better at checking my facts because I do want people to leave my channel having learned something.
its objectively slower there are tests dont by reviewers on quarter mile with ej done 5 years ago which makes sense it has less horsepower and torque and is the same car. plus in the real world u cant launch a wrx unless you plan on changing ur clutch or i dunno u enjoy a shitty clutch and want to keep it all broken and shit
@@happyhunting7837 He's saying that if you try launching the WRX too many times you're going to do serious damage to the transmission. The STI comes with a MUCH more robust transmission, and can "handle" being launched better than the WRX. That being said, neither of them should be launched at all, its terrible for both transmission, and beating the sh!t out of STIs is the main reason its almost impossible to find one that's not a thousand miles away from blowing up or needing the transmission replaced.
I have a 2017 WRX Limited. I think I’m going to trade up to a 2024 WRX in a few years. I test drove the new model back in October and it blew me away. It’s so much faster than my current car.
I actually think the pattern on the fenders look nice in person too. I thought it was just flat grey grey before I saw it in person! Can’t wait to get my 22' premium at the end of the month!
Subbed! Thanks for making this kind of content. I agree that it's disappointing the big car review channels didn't bother testing the VB against the VA WRX and STI. Glad to finally see some comparison though.
Thanks so much! I know I really can't believe more people aren't doing this. I've been waiting for Sam CarLegion to put them against each other. It seems like a no Rainer but there is a lot of ego in the car community sometimes.
Because the rest of the Car community see the new wrx as a cross trek with a turbo lol which is exactly what it is The 2022 wrx is soft, full of body roll, dampened driver feedback and sacrifices driver experience for the ability to appeal to the masses 😅 I bought a 2018 Sti as a winter daily and as soon as the new wrx came out , my car jumped in value buy about 8 grand The new engine , gear box, and suspension feel like a civic si And for fairness, my 18 sti isn’t exactly what I’d call a “sports car”, more a quick daily that handles well The new wrx Well that’s just commuter level
@@pinnnkyton actually I beg to differ about the "rest of the car community". I am in 2 car clubs , a general car club and a Subaru club. Most of the Subaru drivers do not like the WRX. In the general car club it is overwhelmingly popular as a new car. Especially with people who have driven or owned a Subaru but didn't engage in it's cult like following. Nothing about the new WRX feels like a civic because it actually feels like a STi. With the 2.4 you have a deeper tone, the new transmission gears are shorter from 1-4 like a STi. The suspension is still WRX based which is stiffer than a civic but softer than a STi. As for driver feel the dual electronic pinion steering does have a bit less feedback but it is far more precise than the previous WRX which makes it more engaging to throw around the corners. When you look at one individual part of a car it's easy to nit pick. All the parts coming together is what makes this an objectively better WRX than the previous generation in every way except maybe gas mileage. 🤷♂️
@@pinnnkyton I'm unsure why people in any car community would hate any other car? I've owned a few different performance cars in my life , including a VA WRX. Everything people complained about the VA has been changed in the VB. People hate to hate. 🤷♂️
I enjoy the rear of the VB, not sure why everyone hates it so much. I wish the front was as striking though, front end looks very boring and you can barely see the headlights. Headlights can be one of the most attractive or memorable pieces of a car.
I just drove a 21 sti and a 23 wrx today. So i got the perfect chance to compare them. Sti - raw, loud, you feel and hear everything. It demands your attention and inputs are sensitive. The throttle is very touchy, the clutch is touchy, the gear box is notchy. I enjoyed it. It felt fast and had some nice feeling to rolling on boost. But a bit tiresome to drive as it is loud. The suspension is stiff. The seats are okay - a bit firm. The rumble - to die for. What a sound and feeling on a cold start. That ej25 is special. Wrx - refined, easy and linear power. Easy clutch, gearbox relatively the same, but perhaps a bit smoother. Less demanding. Stiff suspension and sway bars, but it's not punishing. Very quiet and easy power, meaning it doesnt make all the sound and grunts of the ej, but suddenly you're moving! Stock exhaust isnt terrible actually - there is rumble. Just need unequal length headers to get some more rumble. Overall, sti is raw, demanding, and punishing. Loud interior. A true drivers car engaging all of your senses. The wrx is fun, easy going, but has potential to be a wild animal. Refined and feels solid and predictable. Love your vids. Going to test drive a brz (well an 86 at toyota) next week and then decide between brz or wrx.
You are absolutely right! All the points you posted are 100% correct. The WRX was never meant to replace the STI. With today's technology the ne wwrx just ended up being a better daily drive than the previous gen WRX. This also meant what it rivals some of the STIs features. I'm sure the next STi will be even more engaging. I do have a stock WRX vs stock BRZ video on my channel. That might make your decision even harder! Tbh if you have a family the WRX is the way to go. If you don't or can have a third car then the BRZ is great. Of course when mods come into play the WRX is just waaaaaay better of a bargain.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I'll go watch it. I don't and won't have kids, so I just need a car to hold either luggage for small trips and golf clubs, lol. The gr86 limited edition (orange on black) was plain sexy. Amazing lines. The one thing that I'm hung up on is the ability and ease of tuning. So much can be done with the turbo fa24 ads you're well aware. The NA is like your old school (but cool) exhaust, headers, intake, and fuel, but minimal gains. I'm not looking for the fastest car - I'm looking for an engaging car that I look forward to driving everyday and can handle being pushed to the limit every now and then. I have a GLI right now and although tunes are abundant, there isn't a ton of support for suspension, brakes, and those sorts of things and the cost INSANE amounts of money because of sensors and VW almost makes their newer cars difficult to work on, on purpose. Eg to fit new coilovers on the front, you have to not only disassemble your brakes and LCA, you have to take apart the drive shaft from the housing to drop the knuckle far enough. Then you need triple square wrenches, AND you need a sensor delete kit for the dynamic chassis control. What a joke!
@@HeavyMetalWRX well you're right - now the decision is even harder. I'll be test driving a gr86 hopefully next week and then going right across the street to re-test the wrx, and then compare. Then I'll throw my money down on an order - either ceramic white wrx or a red brz.
@@noneofmybusiness9895 tbh if I could have a third car it would be a BRZ/86. It's such a fun car to drive. Good luck and let me know what you end up picking!
@@HeavyMetalWRXso I drove a gr86 today because there was one available. Comfortable seating position, shifter was shorter, but tougher to feel what gear I was in, clutch had a lot of slack, engine was surprisingly torquey in the city and revving it out was great but coming from a turbo car, the high rpm seemed to flatten out with respect to power like it stopped pulling at 6500 instead of redline. Probably just not what I am used to. The cluster, in my opinion, isn't great. Too small and the steering wheel controls aren't great. Visibility is decent. I can tell that the back end will be lively - for the brz just a simple swaybar swap will make it more playful. I have $$ down on a brz which is waiting to be delivered from the port - excited to drive it. But it has to really excite me because the 23 wrx is such a well-rounded car. Decisions decisions!
@@HeavyMetalWRX u honestly r so professional and so well spoken .. love ur content love ur channel.. keep up the good work, I can c ur channel growing very quickly with personality and presentation
@@estebanramos4659 🙏♥️ Thank you so much for the kind words. I've wanted to do this for years and honestly I never felt that it was within reach. Knowing that people like you enjoy what I do really helps my motivation with making videos. Truly.
I love my 22, got it 6 months ago when everyone hated them, I’ll still love my 07 sti over anything but the performance on the new wrx is a night and day difference
It would be great if you can make some dedicated vids of the rolls. I'm shocked based on this initial pass that the VB outperformed an STI. Good stuff. I love my 2022 VB. Most fun I've had in a car including an Audi TT I used to own.
I definitely will be making more! It just wasn't a great day for doing rolls because of traffic I'm meeting up with another STi soon with dedicated time for just rolls. So stay tuned !
I actually just sold my B8.5 Audi S4 DSG. V6 supercharged 333hp stock. I loved the car and it was nice/fast. It was a healthy car but mileage was getting close to 75K and I was out of warranty. I started getting a bit worried about something breaking which would be an arm and a leg. I'm glad to see I won't be missing out on much "downgrading" to the WRX.
@@Shortay1325 wow! Ive always loved Audis since about the mid 2000s. The shape and what they offer has always been somewhat of a luxury rival to Subaru. You can't go wrong with either ..honestly.
Just to stop all this bull. I have both. A 2021 sti 6 speed. Plus I have a 2023 Wrx. The Wrx takes the sti. The 2023 has a bigger engine, less boost but no turbo lag. The 2021 sti has more hp but the turbo kicks in at higher rpm’s plus when u shift it has turbo lag. The 2023 Wrx feels smooth. Power all the way to redline unlike the sti. Just saying these new vb engines are so underrated. I’m 48 not a kid anymore but this reminds me of the 70’s when my dad had the muscle cars that came underrated with hp. Btw this new vb engine if u guys modify it, there is no idea what kind of power it will have. Cheers. Again I’m old but still love my Subies! ✌️
Both stock btw. Wrx power is linear, no turbo lag at at all. Much more responsive and faster from 3000 to the 6000 . Up to u guys to check it out. Cheers ✌️
This is my issue. Not a single cat reviewer ( even Sam CarLegion) has done a race between the new WRX and old or new WRX and STi. I wish I had a drag strip to do digs from.
@@HeavyMetalWRX but come on. Where is car and driver? Motor trend? And the people that do videos like you? Roll races? So many channels like yours. You're the only one I've found doing it. Thank you very much for doing this. The Subaru community appreciates you. I rep subie crew. ***We're you're races on 91 or 93 Cobb? P.S. My car on 91 cobb stage 1 seriously feels so much better. More power everywhere, big torque jump, higher redline, more responsive. I think I might be able to take a stage 2 WRX or stage 1 STI.
The looks of any car is very subjective. What may look good to someone may not look good to others (so long as you're happy, that's all that matters). I think Subaru's biggest mistakes were 1) how much they changed the look of the car, IMO the car itself looks nice, but it doesn't have that rally inspired look from the factory (people have made mods to car with new grills and spoilers etc which makes it look very aggressive) 2) the horsepower the car produces from factory and the torque. Even though the car is faster and more responsive than the previous generation, a lot of people won't even go to check out the car because it on has 3 more HP. I think Subaru should've made the HP at least 290 and bring the torque up to 290. Subaru disappointed many WRX fans. 3) Arguably the biggest mistake was canceling the STI, to this day it still makes 0 sense to me as to why they did that. They have disappointed many STI fans (me included) over that decision. If you're going to out, at least go out with a Bang. Again though, this is just my IMO, for all the new gen WRX owners, congratulations. The car itself is a great car, looks nice, and is sporty. Don't let the opinion of others get to you! At the end of the day, it's what puts a smile on your face when you see your toy in the garage.
Those are all great points but I do feel like subjectivity is the main culprit. The car is objectively a better WRX in every way than the outgoing car. Stronger engine, electronic boost controller, meral turbo inlet, bigger intercooler, standard led lights, beefier transmission, roomier, more internal volume. As for the "rally inspiration" this is again objectively better. People hate the plastic but having plastic fenders you don't have to worry about paint means you'll actually go off-road more. The car also sits .5inches higher than the previous and ground clearance is important for "rallying". Also the gears are short almost the same close ratio as the STi. As for the LOOK of "rally" both the VA WRX and STi did not come with any special differentiating factors from a normal passenger car to make it look more "rally"...besides the STi wing which wings are easily added via aftermarket or even from Subaru directly. Now the STi situation for 2022...they didn't outright cancel it....they said it will just not be available for the next 2 model years. There is a rumor that a new STi drivetrain will be unveiled at the Tokyo auto show this year.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I've heard rumors of Subaru bringing back the STI, which I hope they do. Although the sources I read and saw (at least in the beginning) was that the STI has been canceled, or at least the combustion engin STI. Subaru said they are looking at making an EV version of the STI, which I hope they don't go that route. It's a waiting game at this point.
@@BOURBONANDADS this was around 45. I will admit that I believe my friend was a bit nervous because the shifts weren't the best. Im meeting two more friends with STis very soon hoping to get some night pulls going. So I'll definitely be reporting back!
Good review. Owner of a 2019 Wrx. Whether i upgrade in future still on the fence. Not a fan of the cladding but i can live with it, paint it, get bigger wheels, get smaller wheels and more rubber etc but the screen i cant get around. Im so use to the HUD on the dash. I also have a Forester XT. Might be better with no screen and I might even go back and downgrade to a GC8 or Blobeye.
Yea the screen is a point of issue for a lot of new cars. The way I see it is you might as well get used to it. In 15 years if say almost all cars will start coming this way
It’s not, driver didn’t even try lol. Traction control is on, car bogging like crazy. With a good driver, the STI will always be an STI. Numbers don’t lie.
@@Jeff-hi2ulas far as numbers go, your right, they don't lie. 2021 STI 0-60 in 5.3/ 1/4mi 13.8 and 22 WRX 0-60 in 5.4/ 1/4mi 13.9. It's a drivers race a d basically an even match.
A race from a dig would have been nice. 0-60. I also noticed the sti once the traction control is off , feels a bit faster. ( not just by pushing the traction button but holding it for a couple seconds to fully disengage it).
I would LOVE to do dig races but I just don't have a good place to do it. I've been looking around in my area and there's a few small airports but I'd course due to legal reasons I can't use their runways. I hope in the near future I can have a place to do that.
I’d also like to say I don’t think people were meaning the physical measurement of difference with the rear bumper, more so the styling of the rear bumper on the 22 just makes it look bigger in general in comparison to the previous generation because the previous gen bumper was seamless with the body
I’ve got a crystal black VB and the plastic is camouflaged very well, not perfect obviously different material/color, but IMO it looks best in black. My biggest gripe on the VB is the stock wheel fitment but it ain’t nothing a set of 10-15mm spacers can’t fix for low cost or a new set of wheels. I love my VB.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Agree on that. Although depends on preference. Once I got into an STi 6 speed + R180 diff I could never go back to the split case gearbox of rexys. I prefer the gearing and driving feel. The peace of mind of a more robust gearbox helps as well, I was always paranoid of breaking the split cases. Lol A tuned 2.4 on flex + STi 6 speed & driveline swap in a VB WRX wagon would be a killer sleeper combo! One can only dream. Lol
Americans want a hatchback WRX. For more versatility. We also want an optional multi speed automatic transmission. We hate CVT’s. We don’t need both a WRX and WRX STI because the car can be modded for more speed or for the track.
22 VB owner here. Had a 17STI. Loved my STI. This 22 FOR ME and my current life situation is better in every way. And YES. It’s faster as the video proves.
Because they feel slower. Usually when you make the interior more comfy and deaden the sound, cars tend to feel slower. Same concept, but in reverse, for a Miata. You feel like you're going super fast, but they're not.
it's a step forward, but it doesn't have the differentials from the STi. or the brakes. my VB does feel under-braked coming from daily driving my Evo X. really though, a great car that surprised me and surpassed my expectations.
No, they didn't. Doesn't have the brakes, the diff's, the trans, the cooling. It's gonna cost you AT MINIMUM 10K to get those on the used market and then figure out how to make them work (Diffs etc). They then priced the car's at the old STI"s prices, which is just banana's.
I just watched that video. The stock VA WRX makes 220whp and the stock VB WRX makes 260whp. In a roll the VA is considerably slower than the VB. What happened was related to you and not the car.
The reason the STi had no wing is, that it's an STi Limited, it has a sunroof, and with Limited you can go wing or no wing, and the STi Limited came with a push button start which you can see @ 7:25, and radio with navigation and Harmon and Kardon speakers.
You got the nail on the head. It’s all about branding, if Subaru would have put an STI emblem in the car everyone would’ve bought one no questions asked
Ugh no, people buy STI because it handles well and does well on track. You can't throw a STI badge on this and it magically handles well. If Subaru threw STI badge they'd have to add front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD and not the cost savings the VB has from using the Forester's open front diff and open rear diff with brakepad vectoring from the Forester.
Dude I'm actually gonna switch over to Cobb soon. My local Subaru shop is giving me a free custom tune / Dyno time in a few weeks time. I will have the intake and jpipe. We're gonna stick with a stock tmic because it's still good up to 400hp.
@@tear728 a bit...but you gotta pay to play. My 21 was tuned for a whole year. I took it to the track and threw it all over and it was rock solid. I think the tuner is important and we have an absolutely fantastic crew in St Louis.
I will keep doing these races so people can see the difference. I have a pretty big Subaru community in St. Louis. Just hard to get them to come out cuz everybody thinks they're engines going to blow up lol
@@straitupstaticx I agree. Unfortunately the horror stories have negatively affected people's perceptions of the car. I tracked my car '21 HARD last year. Harder than probably most people in my group and I was on an etune. Not once did I have an issue but I took care of the car.
@@HeavyMetalWRX my 2005 STI. I put a FP 0 on it and made $612 wheel horsepower on a grim speed top mount intercooler stock headers stage 2 iag basic block, 32psi. E85. In case you don't know that's the largest stock location turbo ever made for a Subaru. Forced performance doesn't make it anymore because they think a turbo that big should maybe be rotated LOL. Anyways I drove spiritedly all the time and was always down to go for a run with someone or hit up some mountain roads. Living in Cincinnati I went with all season tires as it was my only car and daily driver and I didn't have an extra set of wheels plus it only snows like three times a year so. But though I made some sacrifice in terms of not going for a true summer and a true winter I decided to go for versatility because I ended up taking that car from Ohio to California to Colorado to Arizona and not to mention vacations and road trips. And everything was done to that car.. the whole suspension was done brakes power everything. And before you hate on the all seasons these Michelin pilot sport All season 4 of the same tire that came on the c8 Corvette stock. Not bad. I even emailed Force performance and ask them how long their turbo supposed to last and they said this is a track turbo so if you get 6 months to a year out of it you're doing well. Drove on that setup for a couple years. And before that I was running a BCP x500 Plus at 507whp. Yeah I spent a lot on parts but nothing that is to be unexpected when you have a 17-year-old car making $500 horsepower that your daily that's subjected to snow rain salt rust and the stress of daily driving. To be fair the transmission never gave me a problem the belt motor never gave me a problem the turbo never gave me a problem. All issues were ancillary and honestly a lot of them wouldn't have been there if the car wasn't in the rust belt.. keep in mind I bought it used with 117k coming from New York so it was already rusted. But nothing ever broke while I was driving it always started when I needed it too it always got me from point A to point b I drove it like I was tracking it when I felt like it. I drove it hard never had an issue with oiling or anything of the nature that people complain about with their cars blowing up. PM me we'll talk more.
Excellent video BTW, I wanted to see Stock for stock, the WRX is quite impressive. Sell that STi and buy a VB Premium WRX and might still have money left over , at the very least break even.
I mean there's more to the STi... the DCCD, the brembos, the gearing, the rumble. The WRX is a great option as a new car but I wouldn't sell my STi for one. This is just for science! 😁
@@surgedtwice that might be a good move. My standard e40 tune with intake makes 362/374. My race e50 tune makes 400/450. The new engine is very capable.
Always makes me wonder how good are the drivers when I see these videos. My STI gaps new WRX’s and completely smokes any BRZ, older or newer. Easily too. Put me in coach, I’ll show you what an STI can really do! Lol
I had 2018 wrx and trade it in for 2019 sti. Wrx didn’t feel special. Just another compact car like civic si . Sti on another hand feels very special. Handling, steering, gear box etc it’s night and day. New Wrx seems soft and just another blah car
Well yea the price point for the STi allows it to have considerably better standard options. The big reason for this comparison is to see the generational difference in the engine. Yes the new WRX is softer than the STi but it's not as soft as the 19-21. It's actually a pretty stiff suspension and chassis. A good upgrade over the previous generation VB.
I know there have been many comments regarding the driver and settings of the car. I can assure you the throttle was set to sport sharp. I am trying to bring more STi rolls to have a varied set of results. It's less about beating other cars as it is comparing the generational differences.
People don’t like change. Everyone has complains about every new car. That’s life y’all looks don’t stay the same either just stfu you either buy the car or don’t
Kinda silly to put a brand new low milage motor up against a motor that has years/ x # of tens of thousands of miles of carbon deposits; which severely hinder performance. When I got my 2020 STI brand new, when I hit 800 miles on the OD to start opening her up, I was walking 2017 STIs with stage 1&2 tunes but they had like 10-20k miles on their motors. It be better to compare the two if they both have similar milage. But then again, it doesn't really matter much anyhow, plus I don't have the STI anymore anyway ha, picked up a 2022 M240i, couldn't be happier.
It's not as easy as you think. I don't have infinite resources so the best I can do is whatever my friends have and even then if they are willing to come out. I'm just a small timer, but I try to bring something interesting,. Regardless of how controversial it ends up being 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX just an idea is all, no complaints, just food for thought. Mostly just for the ppl in the comments who are wondering how stock for stock the wrx is pulling ahead of the STI.
It's just the engine it's a 2.4 liter it's still a wrx it dosen't have the badge sti there for will never be as worth as much money and now that they stopped making stis they're gonna go up in sales tripe in the next couple of years
People come and say stuff like that. It's an obvious statement but doesn't help further the conversation along. I mean idk if there will ever be a time on my channel when I'll be able to get 2 cars and 2 professional drivers. So we just do our best. I can assure you that every video of mine all the drivers are doing the best they can.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I'm not bashing you here, but how many stock v stock races have you done with an STi? No need for a pro driver, but it's clear that the shifting is way off with the STi...and I'm not the only one to see it.
@@the_grim_griefer people on the internet say a lot of things...I'm not sure exactly how fast everyone wants us to shift. We are shafting as fast as we can, barring any mistakes...so sometimes it's best that people just enjoy the content. That's why we run multiple runs and get a tally of averages. It's very easy to sit on the other end and say "the shifting is off". I don't believe you are trying to be rude but there's very little else that we can do when doing these runs. 🤷♂️
@@the_grim_griefer only been able to race 2 stock STis. My issue has been finding STis that are stock. In a part of a few car groups and run 2 groups myself locally. All the cars in our groups are modded.
I actually do not delete any comment. What I try to do is answer as many as I can. What was your comment ? I'll look for it. Negative or positive , I think it's important to hear all opinions.
@@VachOrd I can click your name and see all comments on this video. The only other one you had was about the car being a limited and it being 100lb more. I replied to that just now. You should have a notification. I can assure you that comments are not deleted here. 🙂
Well these cars are not really rally special from the factory. They are still 100% road cars as equipped from the factory. So any of these tests are relevant when comparing them to themselves.
I don't care if the bumper is smaller or the tail lights are like better. Or those plastic fenders are functional. It looks terrible. And esthetics and looks are a big decisive part I'm buying a car. Just my humble opinion. But if they offer the top GT trim with a manual I would buy. Because I know aftermarket companies like Varis will come out with a replacement rear bumper and paint matched fenders soon. The aftermarket resources for this platform is amazing.
No one will fault you for having subjective opinions on the looks of the car. It is important to like the way something looks before putting down the money. As for what the engine can do it's definitely promising.
The whole of a STi is lower than 310. The whole of the new WRX is closer to its crank hp. New WRX is severely underreporting as shown by many different dynos. It's anywhere between 250-275whp. Plus the gearing is different allowing the car to do some surprising stuff. This isn't an ego thing it's just informational. I wish more reviews were doing comparisons in a professional environment so we can see. We are by now means professionals but I will be meeting with more STi owners to redo these tests and get more results.
So this video is totally designed to sell the new WRX. Just look up the performance stats 0-60 and 1/4 miles times of the last 2021 STI. At least to me and many other people the new wrx is not as aggressive looking and to put a cherry on top of it all the back end looks like a baboons A$$.
Well I'm not a Subaru salesperson so there's no selling here. The video is purely for entertainment and paper math science. There is no malicious intent here. I do have more rolls planned with other STi owners that will provide a better control test..since everyone drives differently. It's just to show the differences and what is possible in the performance department. Of course when it comes to looks that is a completely personal and subjective experience and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Plenty of fast fun cars out there that I find ugly, nothing wrong with that. 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX ok everyone is entitled to their opinion. Was the STI in sport sharp mode and next time switch drivers just for starters. And put it up against the very last model year of STI. It will be very interesting to see what a one year difference can do.
@@jasoncombs664 yes the STi was in the right transmission setup and right gear. In time I will have more STi owners come to the channel for races. To be clear, my intent isn't to show that the STi sucks or anything...I love all Subarus. Prior to this I had a VA WRX that I used to track and autocross. I loved every minute of it. The intent is to show what is new and how it compares. If we get a STi in 2024 this FA24 is what will be under the hood and this styling is what will probably be used. It's also a video to remind the community that "subie bros" love to hate every new design until the next model comes out. I was there for the VA reveal at STl auto show and everyone shat on it. Now VA is the holy grail and VB is getting the business. It's been happening for decades. Stick around and I will for sure bring you more rolls. For science! No ego involved 🙂
Lol. I had a a 2020 sti and have the wrx vb now, the vb is faster than an sti. There is a video out there of guys racing the sti and vb on a track and the vb gets slightly better track times. The VB with the new Subaru global platform is in a different league when it comes to the engine and the chassis. The only thing that might be better is the transmission in the sti. VB engine has upgraded Rods and torque. It's the same engine that is in the Ascent which has a 5000 lb towing capacity. So the engine has way more tuning capabilities than the 2.5 piston burning sti. 🔥
No, i would not buy it. Just on the simple fact that it is ugly as hell. There are sexier looking cars with either the same performance number or better. Heck, ill take lower performance numbers before i buy that visual insult of a sport car. I respect what it can do but, NO
@@davetu5917 that's not something I can answer you. It's the same thing as any other performance vehicle that can be tuned. I can say "well why doesn't the Mustang GT come tuned for e85 from the factory?". "Why doesn't the Audi rs3 come tuned from the fa tory for 500hp?". That's not really a valid argument. I'm just saying the tuning capabilities are further improved over the FA20.
@@johnny.3693 yes in my opinion looks better that the new wrx honda hybrid thing. I think Subaru was just gave up on the wrx. With all the bells and whistles out here nowadays subaru could have taken over the market. I mean you can make the new wrx look better with some body work but it does not look aggresive at all compared to previous years.
Holy smokes I would have never guessed the 2022 WRX would even be close to an STi of any year. It's crazy what just a change in power/torque curves with a new engine and gearing can do. Wow. This makes me even more excited to finally receive my ordered WRX next week!
This has been my issue with reviewers. They kept talking about how it feels grown up or this or that but weren't keen on comparing it to what came before. I wish more big names channels actually did this race. I'm waiting for Sam CarLegion to do a legit drag race against a VA STi and WRX. This is what people want to know. I wish I had a drag strip to do this stuff myself.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Thank you so much for this video. It's really top tier comparison and cool to see how quick it really is for being an AWD family sedan. It does make me feel a bit better going with the WRX because like you said, literally NO OTHER reviewer has done any sort of comparison to past generations. Any time I see a "drag race" it's against the Elantra N and the WRX driver isn't that good or something. The Elantra N absolutely smokes the WRX in most videos.. Like I'm talking multiple car lengths/semi lengths and something doesn't seem right about that. Yes, the WRX is going to be a tad slower and I know that, but not as slow as some of those other review videos. Only video that comes close and is realistic is Savagegeese's 4 car comparison between the WRX, Elantra N, GTI and Civic Si. Thank you again, this is great :)
Congratulations! I have a 22 WRX and I can guarantee you'll love it!!
Kinda related but not lol.. I traded my STi for the new BRZ. The STi was e-tuned stage 1 w/ a COBB cat-back & the AWD & sounds it made may have added to the drama of punching out of a corner. But over all, granted I have some super light wheels & it is on some RE71rs, the BRZ feels about the same down to the same exhilarating 2nd gear punch out of a hairpin. Even passing on the freeway seems quicker. In stock form the STi is just old tech and doesn't quite put all of its power down like the modern vehicles do. My comparison & opinion however is drawn more from auto-x and mountain driving bcoz neither are impressive in a straight line. Be it WRX, STi, BRZ, Golf R.. w/e~ I feel these are canyon carvers @ heart and highway pulls and dig racing never tell the whole story.
The Wrx has been neck and neck with the sti in strait line speed since 2009 when they put a different turbo in. Now the fa24 should be faster than a 20 year old engine design. I’ve owned 2 Wrx and have a sti. The Wrx are cheaper to make faster, the sti is a much more complete drivers car. It was also much more satisfying putting in the extra work to build power in the sti, however it does get very pricey. All in all they are both slow and in stock form will get smoked by a soccer mom with a lead foot.
2020 sti owner here I test drove the 23 wrx the other day it was nice sounds system is awesome (sti sucks). That was the only thing I preferred about it. It just seemed to soft and easy to drive. When I got back in my sti I felt at home and like I was driving something with more manual and mechanical feeling.
This is all true. The WRX wasn't meant to replace the STi, just the outgoing VA WRX. The transmission is still cable driven and the suspension is softer. Still for 30k you can't go wrong.
You are taking about the sounds system on the audio or exhaust system
I'm pretty sure he was talking about the sound system. @@miguelalvarado4897
Caution: thus is long but if you want some solid info & opinion from a LONG time Subaru, Mitsubishi, Audi guy who knows history since Group B and recalls every detail of the WRX from 1991 to present, read on from a fresh perspective you won't have read before.
Right off, weird references. US didn't get the bugeye STI. And it didn't replace the 22B, it replaced the GC8. That GC8 could be had as a coupe...and it was the coupe that was rallying. The hawkeye was initially VERY poorly received because A) it had the Tribeca face everyone loathed, B) people scoffed at the Limited with its leather, premium style and C) the "Subaru is losing the script" vs "it's not refined enough" paradox hit right at this time. Hatch love? Subaru listened to complaints and gave us a hatch in 2008...then people bitched "where is the F'ing sedan...I want the wing!" But there was the other paradox...that Limited? It did away with a spoiler. And this kicked off the "spoilers are for boy-racers" and the "wing delete" trend was launched. BTW, 2008-2010, nobody really bitched that the STI got big fender flares...in 2011, everyone that got an STI was pissed this visual distinction disappeared, as the WRX got the fenders.
Fact is, Subaru really did nothing wrong. In the 90's the homologation cars were built and sold in countries that actually cared about rallying...not NASCAR. The formula of lowly Impreza with badass drivetrain was loved...but love turned into whining about cheap plastic. Shit, when the STI arrived in the US - without a radio - people whined. From this point forward Subaru was in a no win situation. "I love raw" turned into "cheap plastic and where's the heated seats." I lived through all of this, and have a good memory. For young people...ya just have zero clue...it's just all "history I've heard about."
> "Ugly"...Uh, that was the charm. In fact, what Subaru is sexy?? Again, when the WRX was adored, it was based on a lowly, truly ugly Impreza. Verdict: Asinine complaint.
> Tail lights are "ugly". In 2021, the complaint across the board was "nice Honda Civic". The cure? "If only Subaru connected the red across the back." The problem? Lack of creativity. Me: a nice honeycomb pattern red reflective tape spanning that black trim. I copied various Photoshop renderings people loved. Postes pics on Reddit...and the "enthusiasts" weren't even keeping up with the car in 2021...none were even aware of the "Civic" complaints and my (awesome) fix got mixed reviews. Verdict: you cannot please WRX buyers - they are not Subaru fans.
> "The slant on the tail lights". Anyone genuine Subaru fan would have seen the tail light design over FIVE YEARS AGO on the VIZIV concept.
> Rear bumper: again...the VIZIV showed us for five years what it woukd look like. However I will concede something here - something only those aware of the VIZIV would know. The concept car had big dual exhaust tips located in those far ends of the bumper (where the reflectors and partial/functional vents are.) Subaru should have ditched this area when they didn't put pipe outlets there. And, they should have the brought the height of the black down. Ideal look? Look no further than the BRZ. Nevertheless, it's liveable. (And learn how to work on your cars, people. Do your own painting of areas like this. Stop paying Aeroflow Dynamics a fortune.)
> Something I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE about this review? It points out the fact buyers modify these cars! So much complaining can be voided by just admitting this. Within 5 days I had a muffler delete axleback. People bitch about the GT getting all the good stuff...OMG. Active suspension? We all put coilovers in...I had them on my last four cars. The Recaros? Well, the whining reviewers find a way to complain (oh, lord hp me) but if you want Recaros, buy some. The entry level are affordable - I put used Recaros in my STI and swapped the STI seats to my Outback. The SPT? It shifts faster than you - deal with it. The steering response adjustment? The car has a greatly improved ratio...besides, seriously boy racers I barely EVER heard complaints even when it had a slow rack and people autocrossed it. And Eyesight? Every enthusiast I've met calls it nanny tech and says they'd turn it off. Verdict: all this shows how ridiculously inconsistent people are about this car.
> The last comment was PURE GOLD. "You wouldn't buy an STI that looks like this? I call bullshit." You're my hero! Besides, just like people complain they can't afford the GT, how would all the kids afford an STI? Finally, anyone that has a genuine understanding of how automobile development works would 100% understand the decision on the STI. Bummer, sure. End of the world, hardly.
Too bad winter arrived. Because when it's warm I have plans for this car I've seen no one doing. I can't quite swing a full rear bumper fabrication. I could afford it (if it worked) but I don't have the $ to spend and have it fail.
I read all of that. You make some fantastic points and I appreciate you coming and providing me some more context and information. I am going to do better at checking my facts because I do want people to leave my channel having learned something.
Well said my Man, well said.
I love my ‘22 WRX. I think it looks great and it drives 100x better than the last gen VB. It being faster than the STi is just a bonus!
It should be faster
its objectively slower there are tests dont by reviewers on quarter mile with ej done 5 years ago which makes sense it has less horsepower and torque and is the same car. plus in the real world u cant launch a wrx unless you plan on changing ur clutch or i dunno u enjoy a shitty clutch and want to keep it all broken and shit
@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n lol what?
noone keeps it stock if they want to fly in it lmao@@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n
@@happyhunting7837 He's saying that if you try launching the WRX too many times you're going to do serious damage to the transmission. The STI comes with a MUCH more robust transmission, and can "handle" being launched better than the WRX. That being said, neither of them should be launched at all, its terrible for both transmission, and beating the sh!t out of STIs is the main reason its almost impossible to find one that's not a thousand miles away from blowing up or needing the transmission replaced.
Thank you so much for this video!! I couldn't have been happier with my 22...until you showed me how it compares with an STI!!..WOW!! 🤗
Something not mentioned is the STI was the last subaru with unequal length headers giving it that amazing engine noise. Lets not forget the Brembos.
I whole heartedly agree with u! I own a 22 wrx but in a perfect world I would able 2 own a 21 sti also…
I have a 2017 WRX Limited. I think I’m going to trade up to a 2024 WRX in a few years. I test drove the new model back in October and it blew me away. It’s so much faster than my current car.
I’d say trade up sooner than later , because the longer u wait the less You will get for ur trade in.
I actually think the pattern on the fenders look nice in person too. I thought it was just flat grey grey before I saw it in person! Can’t wait to get my 22' premium at the end of the month!
Subbed! Thanks for making this kind of content. I agree that it's disappointing the big car review channels didn't bother testing the VB against the VA WRX and STI. Glad to finally see some comparison though.
Thanks so much! I know I really can't believe more people aren't doing this. I've been waiting for Sam CarLegion to put them against each other. It seems like a no Rainer but there is a lot of ego in the car community sometimes.
22 owner here. Would never paint my plastics. It gives it a certain look no other car has. Why try to change that
It's definitely subjective but I agree with you!
Because the rest of the Car community see the new wrx as a cross trek with a turbo lol which is exactly what it is
The 2022 wrx is soft, full of body roll, dampened driver feedback and sacrifices driver experience for the ability to appeal to the masses 😅
I bought a 2018 Sti as a winter daily and as soon as the new wrx came out , my car jumped in value buy about 8 grand
The new engine , gear box, and suspension feel like a civic si
And for fairness, my 18 sti isn’t exactly what I’d call a “sports car”, more a quick daily that handles well
The new wrx
Well that’s just commuter level
@@pinnnkyton actually I beg to differ about the "rest of the car community". I am in 2 car clubs , a general car club and a Subaru club. Most of the Subaru drivers do not like the WRX. In the general car club it is overwhelmingly popular as a new car. Especially with people who have driven or owned a Subaru but didn't engage in it's cult like following. Nothing about the new WRX feels like a civic because it actually feels like a STi. With the 2.4 you have a deeper tone, the new transmission gears are shorter from 1-4 like a STi. The suspension is still WRX based which is stiffer than a civic but softer than a STi. As for driver feel the dual electronic pinion steering does have a bit less feedback but it is far more precise than the previous WRX which makes it more engaging to throw around the corners. When you look at one individual part of a car it's easy to nit pick. All the parts coming together is what makes this an objectively better WRX than the previous generation in every way except maybe gas mileage. 🤷♂️
@@HeavyMetalWRX sure man, whatever you wanna tell yourself lol
@@pinnnkyton I'm unsure why people in any car community would hate any other car? I've owned a few different performance cars in my life , including a VA WRX. Everything people complained about the VA has been changed in the VB. People hate to hate. 🤷♂️
This is hilarious and awesome. Really great to see the comparison
I enjoy the rear of the VB, not sure why everyone hates it so much. I wish the front was as striking though, front end looks very boring and you can barely see the headlights. Headlights can be one of the most attractive or memorable pieces of a car.
I just drove a 21 sti and a 23 wrx today. So i got the perfect chance to compare them.
Sti - raw, loud, you feel and hear everything. It demands your attention and inputs are sensitive. The throttle is very touchy, the clutch is touchy, the gear box is notchy. I enjoyed it. It felt fast and had some nice feeling to rolling on boost. But a bit tiresome to drive as it is loud. The suspension is stiff. The seats are okay - a bit firm. The rumble - to die for. What a sound and feeling on a cold start. That ej25 is special.
Wrx - refined, easy and linear power. Easy clutch, gearbox relatively the same, but perhaps a bit smoother. Less demanding. Stiff suspension and sway bars, but it's not punishing. Very quiet and easy power, meaning it doesnt make all the sound and grunts of the ej, but suddenly you're moving!
Stock exhaust isnt terrible actually - there is rumble. Just need unequal length headers to get some more rumble.
Overall, sti is raw, demanding, and punishing. Loud interior. A true drivers car engaging all of your senses. The wrx is fun, easy going, but has potential to be a wild animal. Refined and feels solid and predictable.
Love your vids. Going to test drive a brz (well an 86 at toyota) next week and then decide between brz or wrx.
You are absolutely right! All the points you posted are 100% correct. The WRX was never meant to replace the STI. With today's technology the ne wwrx just ended up being a better daily drive than the previous gen WRX. This also meant what it rivals some of the STIs features. I'm sure the next STi will be even more engaging. I do have a stock WRX vs stock BRZ video on my channel. That might make your decision even harder! Tbh if you have a family the WRX is the way to go. If you don't or can have a third car then the BRZ is great. Of course when mods come into play the WRX is just waaaaaay better of a bargain.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I'll go watch it. I don't and won't have kids, so I just need a car to hold either luggage for small trips and golf clubs, lol. The gr86 limited edition (orange on black) was plain sexy. Amazing lines. The one thing that I'm hung up on is the ability and ease of tuning. So much can be done with the turbo fa24 ads you're well aware. The NA is like your old school (but cool) exhaust, headers, intake, and fuel, but minimal gains. I'm not looking for the fastest car - I'm looking for an engaging car that I look forward to driving everyday and can handle being pushed to the limit every now and then.
I have a GLI right now and although tunes are abundant, there isn't a ton of support for suspension, brakes, and those sorts of things and the cost INSANE amounts of money because of sensors and VW almost makes their newer cars difficult to work on, on purpose. Eg to fit new coilovers on the front, you have to not only disassemble your brakes and LCA, you have to take apart the drive shaft from the housing to drop the knuckle far enough. Then you need triple square wrenches, AND you need a sensor delete kit for the dynamic chassis control. What a joke!
@@HeavyMetalWRX well you're right - now the decision is even harder.
I'll be test driving a gr86 hopefully next week and then going right across the street to re-test the wrx, and then compare. Then I'll throw my money down on an order - either ceramic white wrx or a red brz.
@@noneofmybusiness9895 tbh if I could have a third car it would be a BRZ/86. It's such a fun car to drive. Good luck and let me know what you end up picking!
@@HeavyMetalWRXso I drove a gr86 today because there was one available. Comfortable seating position, shifter was shorter, but tougher to feel what gear I was in, clutch had a lot of slack, engine was surprisingly torquey in the city and revving it out was great but coming from a turbo car, the high rpm seemed to flatten out with respect to power like it stopped pulling at 6500 instead of redline. Probably just not what I am used to. The cluster, in my opinion, isn't great. Too small and the steering wheel controls aren't great. Visibility is decent. I can tell that the back end will be lively - for the brz just a simple swaybar swap will make it more playful.
I have $$ down on a brz which is waiting to be delivered from the port - excited to drive it. But it has to really excite me because the 23 wrx is such a well-rounded car.
Decisions decisions!
Picked up a '23 WRX WRB just an amazing car!
Welcome to the club! Make sure you subscribe if you aren't already. This is the place to be for all your VB WRX news 🤘🙏
Great video my guy! Well worth the wait. Keep the videos coming! You make me so excited as I save up for my own
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I know I sat on this one too long! I have more STi rolls coming!
Man you sound like a legit car reviewer, good work lol
Haha its my 20+ years in customer service and IT explaining things to people 🤣🤣
@@HeavyMetalWRX u honestly r so professional and so well spoken .. love ur content love ur channel.. keep up the good work, I can c ur channel growing very quickly with personality and presentation
@@estebanramos4659 🙏♥️ Thank you so much for the kind words. I've wanted to do this for years and honestly I never felt that it was within reach. Knowing that people like you enjoy what I do really helps my motivation with making videos. Truly.
I love my 22, got it 6 months ago when everyone hated them, I’ll still love my 07 sti over anything but the performance on the new wrx is a night and day difference
It would be great if you can make some dedicated vids of the rolls. I'm shocked based on this initial pass that the VB outperformed an STI. Good stuff. I love my 2022 VB. Most fun I've had in a car including an Audi TT I used to own.
I definitely will be making more! It just wasn't a great day for doing rolls because of traffic I'm meeting up with another STi soon with dedicated time for just rolls. So stay tuned !
I actually just sold my B8.5 Audi S4 DSG. V6 supercharged 333hp stock. I loved the car and it was nice/fast. It was a healthy car but mileage was getting close to 75K and I was out of warranty. I started getting a bit worried about something breaking which would be an arm and a leg. I'm glad to see I won't be missing out on much "downgrading" to the WRX.
@@Shortay1325 wow! Ive always loved Audis since about the mid 2000s. The shape and what they offer has always been somewhat of a luxury rival to Subaru. You can't go wrong with either ..honestly.
Honestly they are pretty much the same in power. Overall I’d take my 21 sti any day. Even if the 22 pulls on me by a hair. Really doesn’t matter.
People just need to chill and just relax and drive them and have fun We don’t need to keep talking about it constantly.
The only reason why the ‘18 STi lost is because without the spoiler it’s -5 morale.
Just to stop all this bull. I have both. A 2021 sti 6 speed. Plus I have a 2023 Wrx. The Wrx takes the sti. The 2023 has a bigger engine, less boost but no turbo lag. The 2021 sti has more hp but the turbo kicks in at higher rpm’s plus when u shift it has turbo lag. The 2023 Wrx feels smooth. Power all the way to redline unlike the sti. Just saying these new vb engines are so underrated. I’m 48 not a kid anymore but this reminds me of the 70’s when my dad had the muscle cars that came underrated with hp. Btw this new vb engine if u guys modify it, there is no idea what kind of power it will have. Cheers. Again I’m old but still love my Subies! ✌️
Forgot, raced my 2021 sti against my 2023 Wrx. 2023 Wrx won.
Both stock btw. Wrx power is linear, no turbo lag at at all. Much more responsive and faster from 3000 to the 6000 . Up to u guys to check it out. Cheers ✌️
Do you miss the Diff or the Beefy Transmission though??
It's 2 different beast, mostly in the snow.
I can't believe every major media car outlet is not reporting this incredible news!!!
This is my issue. Not a single cat reviewer ( even Sam CarLegion) has done a race between the new WRX and old or new WRX and STi. I wish I had a drag strip to do digs from.
@@HeavyMetalWRX but come on. Where is car and driver? Motor trend? And the people that do videos like you? Roll races? So many channels like yours. You're the only one I've found doing it.
Thank you very much for doing this. The Subaru community appreciates you. I rep subie crew.
***We're you're races on 91 or 93 Cobb?
P.S.
My car on 91 cobb stage 1 seriously feels so much better. More power everywhere, big torque jump, higher redline, more responsive.
I think I might be able to take a stage 2 WRX or stage 1 STI.
@@straitupstaticx the rolls are here stock and then 93 tune. I know man idk why more car reviews aren't doing the comparisons.
Great video, love your content! VB Power✊
Hell yea man! I'm out here trying to turn the VB image around. 🤣
The looks of any car is very subjective. What may look good to someone may not look good to others (so long as you're happy, that's all that matters). I think Subaru's biggest mistakes were 1) how much they changed the look of the car, IMO the car itself looks nice, but it doesn't have that rally inspired look from the factory (people have made mods to car with new grills and spoilers etc which makes it look very aggressive) 2) the horsepower the car produces from factory and the torque. Even though the car is faster and more responsive than the previous generation, a lot of people won't even go to check out the car because it on has 3 more HP. I think Subaru should've made the HP at least 290 and bring the torque up to 290. Subaru disappointed many WRX fans. 3) Arguably the biggest mistake was canceling the STI, to this day it still makes 0 sense to me as to why they did that. They have disappointed many STI fans (me included) over that decision. If you're going to out, at least go out with a Bang.
Again though, this is just my IMO, for all the new gen WRX owners, congratulations. The car itself is a great car, looks nice, and is sporty. Don't let the opinion of others get to you! At the end of the day, it's what puts a smile on your face when you see your toy in the garage.
Those are all great points but I do feel like subjectivity is the main culprit. The car is objectively a better WRX in every way than the outgoing car. Stronger engine, electronic boost controller, meral turbo inlet, bigger intercooler, standard led lights, beefier transmission, roomier, more internal volume. As for the "rally inspiration" this is again objectively better. People hate the plastic but having plastic fenders you don't have to worry about paint means you'll actually go off-road more. The car also sits .5inches higher than the previous and ground clearance is important for "rallying". Also the gears are short almost the same close ratio as the STi. As for the LOOK of "rally" both the VA WRX and STi did not come with any special differentiating factors from a normal passenger car to make it look more "rally"...besides the STi wing which wings are easily added via aftermarket or even from Subaru directly. Now the STi situation for 2022...they didn't outright cancel it....they said it will just not be available for the next 2 model years. There is a rumor that a new STi drivetrain will be unveiled at the Tokyo auto show this year.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I've heard rumors of Subaru bringing back the STI, which I hope they do. Although the sources I read and saw (at least in the beginning) was that the STI has been canceled, or at least the combustion engin STI. Subaru said they are looking at making an EV version of the STI, which I hope they don't go that route. It's a waiting game at this point.
Had a lot of fun rolling with my friend! There will be more roll videos against STi's and WRX's both stock and tuned so stick around!
What mph rolls where these done at
@@BOURBONANDADS these are from about 45 I believe.
@@HeavyMetalWRX what gear where you guys in I feel like 35 40 roll in second on sti is the perfect roll
@@HeavyMetalWRX what gear where you guys in I feel like 35 40 roll in second on sti is the perfect roll
@@BOURBONANDADS this was around 45. I will admit that I believe my friend was a bit nervous because the shifts weren't the best. Im meeting two more friends with STis very soon hoping to get some night pulls going. So I'll definitely be reporting back!
subbed and like this video- hope you will continute to grow. Great presentation in the vids.
Thank you very much for the support. I will just continue to be who I am and if the growth comes naturally, fantastic. Appreciate the wishes. 🙏🤘
Ahhh so glad I got my hands on the 23 VB , however I still see some RTV on the exterior of the engine 😢
Good review. Owner of a 2019 Wrx. Whether i upgrade in future still on the fence. Not a fan of the cladding but i can live with it, paint it, get bigger wheels, get smaller wheels and more rubber etc but the screen i cant get around. Im so use to the HUD on the dash. I also have a Forester XT. Might be better with no screen and I might even go back and downgrade to a GC8 or Blobeye.
Yea the screen is a point of issue for a lot of new cars. The way I see it is you might as well get used to it. In 15 years if say almost all cars will start coming this way
Good luck finding a somewhat clean blobeye, with low miles, you’re looking at a brand new VB with 6 miles
It’s crazy how much faster the stock WRX is then the STI
It’s not, driver didn’t even try lol. Traction control is on, car bogging like crazy. With a good driver, the STI will always be an STI. Numbers don’t lie.
@@Jeff-hi2ulhow are you the only one that had an in cabin view showing he had traction control on?
@@Jeff-hi2ulas far as numbers go, your right, they don't lie. 2021 STI 0-60 in 5.3/ 1/4mi 13.8 and 22 WRX 0-60 in 5.4/ 1/4mi 13.9. It's a drivers race a d basically an even match.
My son has a 2021 sti. And when rolling at say 60km. It is not that fast. From a dead stop it feels quicker. So this makes sense
Good stuff. Keep em coming!
Thank you! Definitely going to have more rolls coming!
A race from a dig would have been nice. 0-60.
I also noticed the sti once the traction control is off , feels a bit faster. ( not just by pushing the traction button but holding it for a couple seconds to fully disengage it).
I would LOVE to do dig races but I just don't have a good place to do it. I've been looking around in my area and there's a few small airports but I'd course due to legal reasons I can't use their runways. I hope in the near future I can have a place to do that.
@@HeavyMetalWRX which car do you enjoy driving more ? More fun.
@@Bang_n_slang tbh I love the new car but I miss the exhaust of my old one! Once I get the exhaust installed on the new car I'll love it more 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX 👍
My 23 VB feels faster when I turn traction control off as well 😂
22 owner. Thing drives like a dream
It is a big upgrade over previous gen WRX, that's for sure!
I’d also like to say I don’t think people were meaning the physical measurement of difference with the rear bumper, more so the styling of the rear bumper on the 22 just makes it look bigger in general in comparison to the previous generation because the previous gen bumper was seamless with the body
We fight perception with facts here 🤣
I agree
I’ve got a crystal black VB and the plastic is camouflaged very well, not perfect obviously different material/color, but IMO it looks best in black.
My biggest gripe on the VB is the stock wheel fitment but it ain’t nothing a set of 10-15mm spacers can’t fix for low cost or a new set of wheels.
I love my VB.
Nice comparison. I like the new 2.4 motor. But wish the rest of the STi driveline cones with it.
Yea but for the price we knew it wasn't going to happen. You can still get a base for $30,500 which is a steal, imo.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Agree on that. Although depends on preference. Once I got into an STi 6 speed + R180 diff I could never go back to the split case gearbox of rexys. I prefer the gearing and driving feel. The peace of mind of a more robust gearbox helps as well, I was always paranoid of breaking the split cases. Lol
A tuned 2.4 on flex + STi 6 speed & driveline swap in a VB WRX wagon would be a killer sleeper combo! One can only dream. Lol
Americans want a hatchback WRX. For more versatility. We also want an optional multi speed automatic transmission. We hate CVT’s. We don’t need both a WRX and WRX STI because the car can be modded for more speed or for the track.
Yea I really want a hatch but don't want a cvt. If they come out with a hatch next year I am 100% switching but it NEEDS that 6spd
22 VB owner here. Had a 17STI. Loved my STI. This 22 FOR ME and my current life situation is better in every way. And YES. It’s faster as the video proves.
Wow! Shocking results… is the 22 wrx really faster than the sti!? Y is there so many reviewers saying that the 22 wrx feels slower than the 15-21 wrx?
Because they feel slower. Usually when you make the interior more comfy and deaden the sound, cars tend to feel slower. Same concept, but in reverse, for a Miata. You feel like you're going super fast, but they're not.
Honestly I have both it feels slower cause it just not as easy to get into boost as the sti is
The 22 is so linear it feels slower. But it’s not. I love mine great video
@@bmack1000 hands down a great car but just not my thing after owning a sti since 2018
@@bmack1000 I bought the 22 wrx for my wife to drive
When I saw the BRZ hanging with an STI, I had an idea that the new WRX vs the STI would be interesting, can’t believe the 22 can take on an STI!!!
Is that the exhaust on the sti I can hear during the rolls or the wrx? I just ordered a 22 wrx and am curious :)
You're actually hearing the 22 WRX. I have a rode wireless 2 attached to my exhaust
Seems Subaru gifted the STI in WRX skin to their fan base. Scoop them up while supplies last!
Honestly it is underreported on the power. Subaru might have done that on purpose. It's so close to the STi.
it's a step forward, but it doesn't have the differentials from the STi. or the brakes. my VB does feel under-braked coming from daily driving my Evo X. really though, a great car that surprised me and surpassed my expectations.
@@jeremyjmontoya can a better gripping brake pad fix that?
EBC yellowstuff and new fluid fixes it quite well…
No, they didn't. Doesn't have the brakes, the diff's, the trans, the cooling. It's gonna cost you AT MINIMUM 10K to get those on the used market and then figure out how to make them work (Diffs etc). They then priced the car's at the old STI"s prices, which is just banana's.
the "G4P" license plate is so unfortunate lmaooo
Lol wow I didn't even notice that 🤣🤣
Why is there a mystery spot sticker when the car is in Missouri 😂
Roll races are fun but lets see a dig race. I think the STI would trounce the 22 WRX.
This is also not factual. Data has shown both the cars have a high 4 to 5 second 0-60 and almost identical 13.x quarter mile in perfect conditions.
I'm sure it's already been said but the dude in the STI can't shift to save his life. Not hating on the 22 WRX.
Yea I am working on more STi races with varied drivers. I think the results will be just as interesting.
4:20 I think Subaru called it "Magma".
love my 22 WRX!
Something wrong with that VA STI my WRX got walked by a 2020 base WRX. Stock for stock. The video is on my channel. The STI is def faster than the WRX
The big difference is the power band and that the VA revs out quite a bit more compared to the new VB
I just watched that video. The stock VA WRX makes 220whp and the stock VB WRX makes 260whp. In a roll the VA is considerably slower than the VB. What happened was related to you and not the car.
I got an orange 23 wrx still in break in period waiting so I can drive it how i want
How many miles do you have? I only made it to about 500. I felt like it was enough
I have 800 right now I’m waiting for a 1k
@@HeavyMetalWRX I been seeing multiple people say different numbers prior to them fully driving it
Great video. Very surprised at the outcome of the race. This may just be an ignorant question but why doesn't the STI have the wing?
He bought it used like that. Someone before didn't want the wing I guess.
Premium wrx with sti badge got emmm lol
@@Jonnydriller I have an entire video detailing this car. I'd love for you to watch it and then make up your mind.
The reason the STi had no wing is, that it's an STi Limited, it has a sunroof, and with Limited you can go wing or no wing, and the STi Limited came with a push button start which you can see @ 7:25, and radio with navigation and Harmon and Kardon speakers.
You got the nail on the head. It’s all about branding, if Subaru would have put an STI emblem in the car everyone would’ve bought one no questions asked
Ugh no, people buy STI because it handles well and does well on track. You can't throw a STI badge on this and it magically handles well. If Subaru threw STI badge they'd have to add front LSD, center DCCD diff, and rear LSD and not the cost savings the VB has from using the Forester's open front diff and open rear diff with brakepad vectoring from the Forester.
Awesome video great content
Thank you so much! Kind words like these are what motivate me to keep making videos.
Keep it coming my guy!
8:27 TO GET TO THE DAMN RACING!
Nice video!
The best WRX to date.
Imo it's also one of the best looking.
GC8, Hawkeye and this VB are the best looking Rex's.
I think I'll have to agree with you. Of course I have love for all Subarus but this new one really embodies the future of Subaru.
Straight up gapped with that JB4..
Can't wait to see a jb4 e30 roll with bolt ons. With intake/tmic and running about 21-23psi, this car hauls ass! Likely figures around 350bhp/tq
Dude I'm actually gonna switch over to Cobb soon. My local Subaru shop is giving me a free custom tune / Dyno time in a few weeks time. I will have the intake and jpipe. We're gonna stick with a stock tmic because it's still good up to 400hp.
@@HeavyMetalWRX not worried about warranty?
@@tear728 a bit...but you gotta pay to play. My 21 was tuned for a whole year. I took it to the track and threw it all over and it was rock solid. I think the tuner is important and we have an absolutely fantastic crew in St Louis.
Sti all day the trans come on man I love my 2019 sti limited
would love to see this from a Dig!
Unfortunately my car is no longer stock so it's hard to do. I am working on putting together a follow up to this once I find stock cars!
I think both cars are great
JD muscle USA has a Cobb stage 1 race. That's it I think. Get some Cobb stage 1 22 WRX's and race other subies!
I will keep doing these races so people can see the difference. I have a pretty big Subaru community in St. Louis. Just hard to get them to come out cuz everybody thinks they're engines going to blow up lol
@@HeavyMetalWRX Subaru's that blow up. Like any car. Is usually the owners fault. It's a false stigma.
@@straitupstaticx I agree. Unfortunately the horror stories have negatively affected people's perceptions of the car. I tracked my car '21 HARD last year. Harder than probably most people in my group and I was on an etune. Not once did I have an issue but I took care of the car.
@@HeavyMetalWRX my 2005 STI. I put a FP 0 on it and made $612 wheel horsepower on a grim speed top mount intercooler stock headers stage 2 iag basic block, 32psi. E85. In case you don't know that's the largest stock location turbo ever made for a Subaru. Forced performance doesn't make it anymore because they think a turbo that big should maybe be rotated LOL.
Anyways I drove spiritedly all the time and was always down to go for a run with someone or hit up some mountain roads.
Living in Cincinnati I went with all season tires as it was my only car and daily driver and I didn't have an extra set of wheels plus it only snows like three times a year so. But though I made some sacrifice in terms of not going for a true summer and a true winter I decided to go for versatility because I ended up taking that car from Ohio to California to Colorado to Arizona and not to mention vacations and road trips. And everything was done to that car.. the whole suspension was done brakes power everything. And before you hate on the all seasons these Michelin pilot sport All season 4 of the same tire that came on the c8 Corvette stock. Not bad.
I even emailed Force performance and ask them how long their turbo supposed to last and they said this is a track turbo so if you get 6 months to a year out of it you're doing well. Drove on that setup for a couple years. And before that I was running a BCP x500 Plus at 507whp.
Yeah I spent a lot on parts but nothing that is to be unexpected when you have a 17-year-old car making $500 horsepower that your daily that's subjected to snow rain salt rust and the stress of daily driving.
To be fair the transmission never gave me a problem the belt motor never gave me a problem the turbo never gave me a problem. All issues were ancillary and honestly a lot of them wouldn't have been there if the car wasn't in the rust belt.. keep in mind I bought it used with 117k coming from New York so it was already rusted.
But nothing ever broke while I was driving it always started when I needed it too it always got me from point A to point b I drove it like I was tracking it when I felt like it. I drove it hard never had an issue with oiling or anything of the nature that people complain about with their cars blowing up.
PM me we'll talk more.
Anyone else catch the super crooked Subaru ownership decals on the STI?? 😂😂😂😂
I believe this was his first Subaru.
Excellent video BTW, I wanted to see Stock for stock, the WRX is quite impressive. Sell that STi and buy a VB Premium WRX and might still have money left over , at the very least break even.
I mean there's more to the STi... the DCCD, the brembos, the gearing, the rumble. The WRX is a great option as a new car but I wouldn't sell my STi for one. This is just for science! 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX ...yeah, the STI will always be a special car. Nothing will ever change that fact...
@@HeavyMetalWRXagreed I just don’t think you can compare the two. I love my 21 Sti and could never see downgrading to a wrx.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Agree. I'd never sell my 18' Sti with 450whp for the new WRX. But I'd trade in my 07' Civic Si for one 😂 maybe 🤔 😅
@@surgedtwice that might be a good move. My standard e40 tune with intake makes 362/374. My race e50 tune makes 400/450. The new engine is very capable.
My dream car to buy 🙏
BuT It LoOkS LiKe A cIvIc!!!!
I have mine ordered in MGM.
Always makes me wonder how good are the drivers when I see these videos. My STI gaps new WRX’s and completely smokes any BRZ, older or newer. Easily too. Put me in coach, I’ll show you what an STI can really do! Lol
Likely because those drivers could not drive. If you are stock, you are not gapping a new WRX.
Someone is lying I test drove a 22 wrx my dad had my 2018 sti after 2 gear my dad and my sti pulled from the wrx my car is stock just have a exhaust
Maybe you're just a bad manual driver
@@imtheonehero9305 dum ass my wrx was automatic
Gear ratios, maybe?
Yea the gearing is different on the new WRX.
I had 2018 wrx and trade it in for 2019 sti.
Wrx didn’t feel special. Just another compact car like civic si .
Sti on another hand feels very special. Handling, steering, gear box etc it’s night and day. New Wrx seems soft and just another blah car
Well yea the price point for the STi allows it to have considerably better standard options. The big reason for this comparison is to see the generational difference in the engine. Yes the new WRX is softer than the STi but it's not as soft as the 19-21. It's actually a pretty stiff suspension and chassis. A good upgrade over the previous generation VB.
Has anyone had a problem with the flooring on the driver side sagging a bit on 2022 wrx?
Hmm I haven't experienced anything like this yet.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I’ve had my wrx for at least 3 months. Not sure what it is, I’ll have to take it in and see what’s going on.
Rolls start at 8.28.
Thank you! I'll update the description with chapters tonight.
Sti left in Intelogwnt mode
I know there have been many comments regarding the driver and settings of the car. I can assure you the throttle was set to sport sharp. I am trying to bring more STi rolls to have a varied set of results. It's less about beating other cars as it is comparing the generational differences.
People don’t like change. Everyone has complains about every new car. That’s life y’all looks don’t stay the same either just stfu you either buy the car or don’t
Kinda silly to put a brand new low milage motor up against a motor that has years/ x # of tens of thousands of miles of carbon deposits; which severely hinder performance. When I got my 2020 STI brand new, when I hit 800 miles on the OD to start opening her up, I was walking 2017 STIs with stage 1&2 tunes but they had like 10-20k miles on their motors. It be better to compare the two if they both have similar milage. But then again, it doesn't really matter much anyhow, plus I don't have the STI anymore anyway ha, picked up a 2022 M240i, couldn't be happier.
It's not as easy as you think. I don't have infinite resources so the best I can do is whatever my friends have and even then if they are willing to come out. I'm just a small timer, but I try to bring something interesting,. Regardless of how controversial it ends up being 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX just an idea is all, no complaints, just food for thought. Mostly just for the ppl in the comments who are wondering how stock for stock the wrx is pulling ahead of the STI.
I like to show the last minute of this video to all the VB haters.
91 or 93?
It was with 93 gas
It's just the engine it's a 2.4 liter it's still a wrx it dosen't have the badge sti there for will never be as worth as much money and now that they stopped making stis they're gonna go up in sales tripe in the next couple of years
That stock 22 is not faster than a stock 18 sti if the drivers are equally comparable in abilities.
People come and say stuff like that. It's an obvious statement but doesn't help further the conversation along. I mean idk if there will ever be a time on my channel when I'll be able to get 2 cars and 2 professional drivers. So we just do our best. I can assure you that every video of mine all the drivers are doing the best they can.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I'm not bashing you here, but how many stock v stock races have you done with an STi? No need for a pro driver, but it's clear that the shifting is way off with the STi...and I'm not the only one to see it.
@@the_grim_griefer people on the internet say a lot of things...I'm not sure exactly how fast everyone wants us to shift. We are shafting as fast as we can, barring any mistakes...so sometimes it's best that people just enjoy the content. That's why we run multiple runs and get a tally of averages. It's very easy to sit on the other end and say "the shifting is off". I don't believe you are trying to be rude but there's very little else that we can do when doing these runs. 🤷♂️
@@the_grim_griefer only been able to race 2 stock STis. My issue has been finding STis that are stock. In a part of a few car groups and run 2 groups myself locally. All the cars in our groups are modded.
can you answer why my comment got deleted ???lmfao
I actually do not delete any comment. What I try to do is answer as many as I can. What was your comment ? I'll look for it. Negative or positive , I think it's important to hear all opinions.
I think I found your comment. I replied to it. Let me know if it was the one you're referring to.
@@HeavyMetalWRX my comment was posted here ... I have no idea what happened.
@@VachOrd I can click your name and see all comments on this video. The only other one you had was about the car being a limited and it being 100lb more. I replied to that just now. You should have a notification. I can assure you that comments are not deleted here. 🙂
Are you aware the speed of these two cars is not supposed to be measured on a straight flat road?
Well these cars are not really rally special from the factory. They are still 100% road cars as equipped from the factory. So any of these tests are relevant when comparing them to themselves.
VA driver has no idea how to drive 😂
I don't care if the bumper is smaller or the tail lights are like better. Or those plastic fenders are functional. It looks terrible. And esthetics and looks are a big decisive part I'm buying a car. Just my humble opinion. But if they offer the top GT trim with a manual I would buy. Because I know aftermarket companies like Varis will come out with a replacement rear bumper and paint matched fenders soon. The aftermarket resources for this platform is amazing.
No one will fault you for having subjective opinions on the looks of the car. It is important to like the way something looks before putting down the money. As for what the engine can do it's definitely promising.
You could easily do what you stated on any of the trims, not just the GT…
That wrx can't be faster than an sti the later has about 30hp over it
The whole of a STi is lower than 310. The whole of the new WRX is closer to its crank hp. New WRX is severely underreporting as shown by many different dynos. It's anywhere between 250-275whp. Plus the gearing is different allowing the car to do some surprising stuff. This isn't an ego thing it's just informational. I wish more reviews were doing comparisons in a professional environment so we can see. We are by now means professionals but I will be meeting with more STi owners to redo these tests and get more results.
@Thomas Aora there is more to it than peak hp, clearly. The new WRX just has a stronger overall powerband.
So this video is totally designed to sell the new WRX. Just look up the performance stats 0-60 and 1/4 miles times of the last 2021 STI. At least to me and many other people the new wrx is not as aggressive looking and to put a cherry on top of it all the back end looks like a baboons A$$.
Well I'm not a Subaru salesperson so there's no selling here. The video is purely for entertainment and paper math science. There is no malicious intent here. I do have more rolls planned with other STi owners that will provide a better control test..since everyone drives differently. It's just to show the differences and what is possible in the performance department. Of course when it comes to looks that is a completely personal and subjective experience and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Plenty of fast fun cars out there that I find ugly, nothing wrong with that. 😁
@@HeavyMetalWRX ok everyone is entitled to their opinion. Was the STI in sport sharp mode and next time switch drivers just for starters. And put it up against the very last model year of STI. It will be very interesting to see what a one year difference can do.
@@jasoncombs664 yes the STi was in the right transmission setup and right gear. In time I will have more STi owners come to the channel for races. To be clear, my intent isn't to show that the STi sucks or anything...I love all Subarus. Prior to this I had a VA WRX that I used to track and autocross. I loved every minute of it. The intent is to show what is new and how it compares. If we get a STi in 2024 this FA24 is what will be under the hood and this styling is what will probably be used. It's also a video to remind the community that "subie bros" love to hate every new design until the next model comes out. I was there for the VA reveal at STl auto show and everyone shat on it. Now VA is the holy grail and VB is getting the business. It's been happening for decades. Stick around and I will for sure bring you more rolls. For science! No ego involved 🙂
Lol. I had a a 2020 sti and have the wrx vb now, the vb is faster than an sti. There is a video out there of guys racing the sti and vb on a track and the vb gets slightly better track times. The VB with the new Subaru global platform is in a different league when it comes to the engine and the chassis. The only thing that might be better is the transmission in the sti. VB engine has upgraded Rods and torque. It's the same engine that is in the Ascent which has a 5000 lb towing capacity. So the engine has way more tuning capabilities than the 2.5 piston burning sti. 🔥
No, i would not buy it. Just on the simple fact that it is ugly as hell. There are sexier looking cars with either the same performance number or better. Heck, ill take lower performance numbers before i buy that visual insult of a sport car. I respect what it can do but, NO
2022 wrx is sooooo ugly
It sucks that so many people feel that way. New engine is hitting 400hp reliably for $1k-ish. No previous Subaru could do that 🤷♂️
@@HeavyMetalWRX if it can be done for $1k with 400hp, why subaru doesnt do it?
@@davetu5917 that's not something I can answer you. It's the same thing as any other performance vehicle that can be tuned. I can say "well why doesn't the Mustang GT come tuned for e85 from the factory?". "Why doesn't the Audi rs3 come tuned from the fa tory for 500hp?". That's not really a valid argument. I'm just saying the tuning capabilities are further improved over the FA20.
The STi shifts to slow lol i smoke a 22 VB with my sti hahahah
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God what did Subaru do. That thing is ugly as hell. Looks so cheap. What’s with that bumper sticking out like 8”? Lol
Except the bumper is shorter than the VA bumper 😂
2022 is still garbage looking. There are Hyundai out there that look more aggressive
The looks are subjective but in the end the performance is still undeniable.
Looks better then the va. My opinion.
You mean like a ugly ass Elantra N ?
@@johnny.3693 yes in my opinion looks better that the new wrx honda hybrid thing. I think Subaru was just gave up on the wrx. With all the bells and whistles out here nowadays subaru could have taken over the market. I mean you can make the new wrx look better with some body work but it does not look aggresive at all compared to previous years.
Yuck
Did you hit your head?
What's up ? I don't understand this comment.
I spy a troll