@@adam145 They're targeting different crowds. The Levorg is a street wagon, the WRX is now more than before a soft off-roading rally inspired car, hence all the plastic on the lower bits and taller ground clearance.
The safe way a journalist can agree with the general public while still remaining on a manufacturer's good side allowing them to be invited back to future press events and launches.
This is the first '22 WRX review I've watched that mentions changes to steering, brakes, the reduction of "rev-hang," the significant reduction of turbo boost, improved throttle response, and that the manual weighs 130 pounds less than the CVT. Thanks. I like that the newer engine, although making virtually the same power as the 2.0T, is lower-stressed and no longer *requires* premium fuel. 'Glad you saved your very brief comment about styling for last - it's purely subjective (I'm bothered by reviewers assuming I value their opinions regarding styling - I can see for myself).
It’s a way better car than the older model and the stock engine is pretty much guaranteed to last the life of the car. It also has a ton of headroom and a hot tune can really wake up this car and compete with AWD supercars for a quarter of the price while still jumping off sand dunes. I don’t think another car like this exists.
@@thelol1759 It’s missing a big ass wing to match the huge diffuser. That’s why it doesn’t look right. If Subaru gave it a normal looking bumper it wouldn’t be that much different than the BRZ.
5th benefit of the larger engine with lower boost: the engine is less stressed, which improves reliability over the engine's lifetime, if the engine is left stock. This obviously won't matter to engine modders.
its a Subaru WRX, there's not a single WRX that hasn't been modded out there lmao I can see people buying these things and going instantly to a tuner just to put that boost pressure up to 15 again lmao
It's still a Subaru. Which means it's still a boxer engine. Which means that small increase in reliability won't matter once the tuners get ahold of it. Most of them are.... Less than intelligent. It's a shame. I'm a gti guy and I know a thing or two about reliability. Or lack thereof. They'll destroy them. They always do. :(
There is a difference in real power to the wheels and how the torque is delivered. The torque comes on really early. The drivability of the VB is miles better than the VA
Thanks Jason for explaining to us the advantage of the larger engine with minimal increase in HP. While I enjoy the reviews of the other auto reviewers, your reviews are on another level.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 I strongly suspect that’s what they want people to do. I imagine there will be a tuner chip available that bumps it up to 300hp and doesn’t affect warranty.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia You can buy a STI. I’m not buying one. They’re way overpriced and the ride quality is very bad. I don’t want to destroy my back before I turn 30. Also it’s fun modifying cars to make it exactly how you like it. This car doesn’t need a lot of power it’s lightweight and has a ton of traction. The new WRX 2.4 6MT should be just the right mix of fun, comfortable, and reliable to put +300k miles on it.
@@markm0000 I think his point was that with the larger engine and turned down boost they are clearly dialing back the power on purpose and calling it for "reliability". For Modder's sure it's attractive, for your average consumers it's a little scummy because the hardware is there but is purposely being restricted to lure them towards the pricier STi. Edit: not sure if it was official announced but I think it was speculated that the new STi would be moving away from the EJ platform to this same FA platform which makes it more apparent that they are just purposely restricting the power from a tuning stand point for the extra $$$ on the price tag.
@@Inkmice It’s the same formula that made the old Supra so attractive. People knew the cars were reliable and had a ton of tuning potential. They were cheap cars and upgrades were cheap. You could buy a factory Supra Turbo that was nearly $10k extra but almost nobody did. It was cheaper to get a aftermarket turbo and exhaust and it could be easily tuned way faster than a stock Turbo. The base model WRX 2.4 and new 86/FRS 2.4 are the next “Supra” of this era.
No it isn't. He totally misrepresents how the AWD systems work. The WRX does NOT transfer power to the wheel with the most traction. it does exactly the opposite as all the diffs are essentially open and the viscous center diffs torque biasing capability is extremely limited. if you lift a tire, without the abs system, that tire will spin and the car will not move.
@@jeepmanxj but the car does have ABS. So your “theory” is invalid. Sheeesh. If you don’t like misinterpretation then why are you even bothering with commenting. Reach out to Jason personally and share your incorrect and illogical views. I’m sure he would Love to hear it!
@@maxboya Theory suggests there is room to find out new information that could change the result. This isn't a theory. I am entirely correct and his statement is blatantly false. There can not be new information provided that changes that. Thus its a fact. The AWD system is NOT the traction control system. They are distinct and entirely different things.
@@jeepmanxj the vehicle is awd and uses the brakes to send power to the wheels with traction. A cheaper way of doing it while retaining it's purpose. Sure it has no lsd or a locking diff but then again this is the road going version. You're trying to make a simple matter very complicated when it really isn't complicated. While you are not wrong in your own way, your answer isn't right either. If the majority was able to comprehend what jason said then that is the end of that.
Two things I'd like Subaru to make: 1. Bring back the hatchback model. 2. Give a lower engine speed at top gear so that highway cruising is more relaxed.
According to Subaru, they had a certain amount of money to develop the next gen in 2015. They could have allocated a certain amount of money for a hatch and a sedan. They opted to spend all the money on the sedan variant and make it the best car it could be.
Prevails Bear: they should’ve put it all toward a hatch and scrapped the sedan. I feel like most people buying this car would prefer a hatch. I know I would. They’re SO much more versatile. Or even a wagon.
you mean you dont like running 3k rpms on the highway?!?! i dont understand why makers of 4 banger cars don't realize its best to be around 1500-2k on the highway cruising. I had a 2012 chevy sonic 6 speed manual. it was around 1800 rpm at 70 mph. it was great. i got 45mpg in light traffic.
@@dontworry1568 Sounds like we have similar experiences. I still have a 96 Saturn (kept for sentimental reasons) that runs about 2300 rpm in 5th at 70. Great long-distance driving car!
I’ve seen several other reviews by so called “experts” for this model vehicle. This review is by far the most concise, well organized, and eloquently prepared. I had to pause at 4:25 to write this. 👏🏼 keep up the outstanding work! With graphs and PowerPoint slides this was like an undergrad lecture at school again haha. Let’s hope the STI is going to be announced soon. I think Subaru is planning to gauge the market (WRX/STI market I mean) to see where they need to allocate their resources for profit maximization. There are so many global challenges (raw materials/parts/labor/semi conductor shortages etc) hopefully this won’t be delayed till mid 2022.
Subaru still hasn’t convinced me to part ways with my 2007 STi. This is definitely an improvement, but not worth getting rid of my 14+ year old garage queen
2018 Type RA owner here. Kind of hard when you already have the car you wanted to even consider trading in for another. IMO I would only consider a swap to the new STi engine and possibly Transmission if they were a big enough upgrade and were more reliable. I could never get over how terrible this new car looks and its all because of the plastic cladding and fugly rear end. Also I would only trade up. It would have to be another Type RA or a S series for me to make the jump all together.
2017 STI owner here, I was looking forward to this next gen for a potential trade-up. Still holding judgement until they show the STI and I can forgive the fenders but good God that rear end is hideous
The newer engines do not have Head gasket issues, the main reason EJ engines even had HG issues was because they used Single layer composite HG and not Multi Layered steel HG. This FA engine does not have Head gaskets issues. People need to get that idea out that all newer Subaru's have head gasket issues.
@@TML34 Lowered boost pressure to keep the same HP on a larger engine more than likely, Subaru REALLY doesn't want to upgrade the HP on these cars for whatever reason. I think the STI is going to have an equally disappointing HP upgrade, possibly a higher boost pressure to get there since they share the same engine now, I believe.
@@TML34 they're not going to make a new engine extremely high strung upon its release. They'll just continue to turn up the boost a few psi every year so they can claim each new year's model has more power than last year, and people will eat it up.
Headgasket issues hasn't been a problem with EJs since the 90s. All turbo EJs have metal headgaskets. Only a few old model Ej engines had that issue and those are now extinct...
So much more informative and full of thoughtful perspective than other car reviewers. Thank you for always taking the time to create such high-quality videos, Jason.
Great review and it's right on point. I was a newcomer to subaru and I bought the 22 WRX. I couldn't be happier. The steering could feel a bit more rigid but it's quick. Shifter could be better but when has a stock wrx shifter been good? In terms of styling, I love it, except for the back side lol. I got the manual but would totally have considered auto if it was dual clutch, not cvt. Sad the STI got dropped but honestly I wouldn't have been able to afford it. Especially with the cost of living going up. I wanted an AWD car that can go on un-paved roads a bit, handle better in crappy weather, and higher than average herspers for some vroom vrooms. This one checks all the boxes
That 2.4 boxer seems promising.. if you can safely squeeze 350whp with light mods, it would be sick.. awd, Manual sub 3300lbs with 350whp would be a ton of fun.
Looks heavier yet since 2002 it’s been around 3300lbs. Subaru has a good way to pack room in larger looking cars and keep it hovering about this weight.
@@bara555 I bought a 2020 WRX brand new at age 22 back in 2019. I earned it and worked hard for every penny spent on it. But I guess there is some truth to your comment. Not many people my age are spending 30k on a car at 22. Most are living with their parents.
Jason is my favourite person to go to when I want to learn something useful about motor vehicles. The diversity of videos are the best. My car is in great shape because of the variety of information. Great job!
Great breakdown as always! That footnote at the end though. Essentially stating that styling is in the eye of the beholder but simultaneously saying "nope, not touching that topic with a 10 foot pole" 😂🤣😂🤣😂. Brilliant.
This helped me feel like I made the right choice ordering my 2023 sport tech. Awesome video with great attention to detail without getting to into-the-weeds on any single topic. New subscriber!
I’m saving up my money for the next sti… Coming from a family that only ever had old used cars I felt so good buying the 2016 wrx back in 2018. Now I’m ready to buy my first car brand new, I want it to be the next gen STI, subie don’t let us down!!
I’m thinking of buying the new STI as my daily. I have a Type R I’m building but thinking up upgrading my daily and the STI will be sick in the winter.
I guess you have lots of choices when it comes to STIs - syphilis, HPV, chlamydia... Most are harsh though, I agree, but I don't think the speed in which you get it makes much difference
I believe the FA20 in forester XT was at 15psi, but the wrx makes 18-20 depending on the weather. When my car was completely stock i would regularly see consistent 18-20lbs with spikes of 21 using an analog boost gauge as well as the reading from the oem sensor.
I was thinking I’d seen it read higher on drives. But the spec sheet says 15.9 so that’s what I quoted. For what it’s worth, the car I drove (in this video) peaked at 12.1 psi as the highest reading.
@@EngineeringExplained it’s 16lbs but can overboost 4lbs in certain conditions. You’ll only see overboost at lower rpm’s, once the engine opens up it doesn’t hold it.
That's interesting they removed the overboost. It would sometimes get carried away and boost higher then it was supposed to. I wonder if the power numbers on the FA20 took the overboost into account. I think that was mostly due to the garbage boost control. The controller in the 2022 is supposed to be much improved.
seems like a nice car, just cant get over those terrible fake fender flares. As a total package though, its no question that it's a legitimate upgrade over the 2021!
@@loganhuwe9458 The plastic stick-on fender flares doesn't prevent that. That's dependant on the rust treatment of the body work and chassis and/or the material. Modern cars have far superior rust protection anyway so rust shouldn't be an issue anymore in the future. The black plastic only does one thing. Make the car ugly af.
People also need to consider the increase in reliability due to the lower turbo pressure and reduced chance of Low Speed Pre Ignition. The bigger bore size lets the same amount of pressure to push harder during the power stroke. Opens up some really great possibilities from a tunability standpoint!
I’d consider getting an engine swap to my 13 sti before getting this car. Just on what you said alone. Would even upgrade as a whole but to me it’s just ugly af.
I have a 2021 WRX. I'm not the least bit enticed to upgrade to this new one. The looks inside and out have a lot to do with it. And even though under the skin, there's a completely different car and a lot of changes made, it doesn't seem to translate to a worthy upgrade. That new BRZ though, that is something that I really want to check out
Same, when the lease is up on my '21 Crosstrek I will DEFINETLY be checking out the new BRZ. I had a '13 and I'm a big fan of all of the improvements that were made.
The tr690 in the wrx isn't a bad transmission the programming could be better. If they get rid of the simulated shifts and just hold it at max power it would be better. He wasn't describing the "center diff" correctly though it's actually a 49/51 split with a transfer clutch instead of a center differential. Long story short it's a good trans that just has heavy moving parts making it not as willing to spin up as quickly as other transmissions
There is nothing inherently “uninspiring” about a CVT. They can be designed to fit a purpose. Unfortunately the public perception of CVTs is horrible, because no one has really tried to design for driving response.
That's a classic. And I'm not telling you what to like. But the handling of the '15 plus Rex and sti is far above. The chassis made that big of a difference. You can 3 wheel up some driveways. And the turn in and more neutral feel of the newer sti is pretty dam good. Even compared to an older legacy or sti with coils. IMO.
@@kickinrocks6055 they still understeer like dogs if you push them hard. They need some suspension mods right out the door but with just a few upgrades they become pretty fun for such a heavy beast
This is the best video breakdown I have seen so far on the new 2022 WRX. I own a base model WRX 2017. I want the new STI so I'm in a sweet spot. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family brother.
Oh in regards to the cladding fenders, Subaru engineers claim that the unpainted fenders fared substantially better in wind tunnel testing as compared to the painted versions. "Just changing the structure from paint to the hexagonal texture has a big improvement on the aerodynamics of the vehicle,"🤔
I appreciate the relatively objective evaluation. The fact that I cannot even fathom affording a $30K vehicle doesn't stop be from being addicted to watching well done videos of those who choose to share good AND BAD evaluation data. Thanks, Jason, well done IMHO
I have a 2019 Impreza and a 2021 Ascent. The CVTs are different. The linear mapping in the base Impreza is so much better than the simulated gearing in the Ascent.
my 2016 Outback also does the "simulated gear shift" specially at slow speed moving from a stop (simulating AT/MT 1st to 2nd shift), it drives me nuts. as if the car is programmed to drop RPM on purpose making you lose torque for a second or two when you need it most
@@raoufhakam5936 The CVT might be simulating the effect of small, internal gears, but the shifts are not simulated: there are actual, pre-set, physical gear ratio shifts, designed into the system because most people who actually enjoy driving hate CVTs. I'd guess shift programming and engine management have improved since 2016.
I have a 2019 wrx with a manual transmission and my wife has a 2021 forester and the cvt in it and I hate it. Subaru definitely does not make a good cvt. Even the spt or subaru performance transmission I have little hope for because it is a cvt.
Jason, great job at pointing out why the new 2.4 engine is better despite having almost the same power. I have to agree with Vitor, your reviews are on another (higher) level. You must be an engineer. Keep up the great work its much appreciated!
In the motorcycle world there has been a thing where they leave a lot of extra power for modders to get to because they can't do that and meet emission standards. I wonder if subaru is doing the same.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 they don't do it intentionally, it's just a happy coincidence. Subaru's engines are already pretty close to the limit - you need some fairly extensive mods to support pushing reliable power
I got a chuckle out of the "since this is a sports car, everyone wants to know about the fuel economy" line 😁 I'm surprised the manual is rated higher than the CVT, since in the very few cars that offer both (including the Crosstrek), it's usually the other way around. I bought a '21 Crosstrek with the stick, which is rated 29mpg on the highway (I think the CVT was 33), but I'm actually getting 32-33 in mixed driving, and without really trying for economy. I'm glad the looming all-electric future isn't ruining the possibility of fun, dinosaur-powered cars like this coming out the next few years.
its because they aren't implementing the CVT correctly. 7:03 downshift rev matching shouldn't be a thing with a cvt. there should be no "shifting" with a cvt.
If I was going to upgrade from the current gen I would definitely wait til we see a mid-cycle refresh. I really like all the improvements, especially the new platform., but maybe a little different styling + any other advantages that come with a refresh would then make it worth it. My buddies 18" premium and my 16" premium are very different things.
@@nathanhosier7100 interior wise, yes. The refresh models have a much better head unit and stereo, and you get recaro seats with the sport package. Bit quieter on road noise in my experience too.
@@v8_sami Renault has nothing to do with what Mitsubishi has become, to this day even in European models Mitsubishi uses their own engines and platforms and is not bound to technology that Renault and Nissan uses. Even Nissan which is a lot closer to Renault than Mitsubishi does a lot of things their way, so it's not like Renault is a party pooper. It's an alliance, not an ownership. Nissan still sells the GT-R and will make the new Z, so if Mitsubishi wanted to make a new Evo no one would stop them.
If you live in a colder climate the infotainment should be your major concern. I have driven 230k on my 15 legacy without all the plastic flares and all. Very little rust on underbody nothing on the panels at all.
As an owner of a '21 WRX, I can't say that I'm interested in the new one. However, if the new STI ends up producing 400hp like the rumors say it might, then we can talk..
I initially had hope about the 400hp, but after they revealed this wrx there's not a single chance it'll even be close. Subaru showed they're not interested in upping the ante when there's no competitors, and no one in the sti segment is even close to 400. At this point I'd be happy with 350, I would really hope they won't do less than that...
The de-tuned the 2.4 to make the same numbers to the WRX. I wouldnt count on 400hp sti. Lol. It will more then likely be little bit more hp(310-320) with way more trq then older STis (320-340trq). If it doesn’t make gobs of trq with this new 2.4 the sti will be going the way of the EVO.
The ‘20 WRX is my sixth Subaru. Thus far, it has never made sense to me to upgrade to the STI when I trade in a WRX lease because they’ve been Close Enough for the last few leases. I am really hoping the unimpressive numbers on this next gen WRX are leaving room for the 400hp STI we’ve all been dreaming about in every generation after the ‘04 Blobeye. I am so nervous that the factory will let us down by not delivering an impressive improvement. Keep in mind that there was a 300-horsepower WRX STi in 2004. Imagine any piece of technology that has improved less in that time. How can the factory not give their loyal customers an exciting STi upgrade to aspire to? They have to do this for us, right? I can’t remember the last time I was this hopeful, yet nervous that I was about to be let down.
I bought my 2010 WRX new and still love it. Has less than 35k miles- a five speed that gets me over 60 MPH in 2nd gear and puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. This 2022 model has nothing on my 2010.
I’d hardly put the SI and WRX as competitors. AWD vs FWD, Civic has a much smaller engine as well. If you want to try comparing it to the Civic Type R, that might be a bit more fair. Just because they cost the same doesn’t say much. Fit and finish on a Honda is superior to a Subaru as is the reliability and longevity of all the parts. I do like the look of the WRX more and it is a better sporty car, but you pay for it in less gas mileage and a stiffer ride. If it’s me and I have to pick between the two, the Civic SI is the one to get.
It's about their comparable place in the market, not so much about comparable specs/performance. The WRX competes with the SI and GTI because it is placed ~30k, where the STI competed with the Type R and Golf R as they are all priced ~40k. Performance-wise, I completely agree though. A 200hp FWD car doesn't really stack up to 270hp AWD. Maybe one day Honda will expand their performance line to include some AWD hatchbacks or a return to the S2000.
I sold these cars. The 2.0 Boxer was known to be pretty bullet proof based on what my Subie mechanics said at meetings. They weren't too impressed with the 2.5L. But this is a 2.4L. We'll find out soon how good it is. I would stay away for two years.
@@eyetvideos467 The Ascent has been turbo since its inception. The Outback has the XT and Wilderness versions, both of which are turbo. So yes, there is a couple of years of turbo data for the 2.4L.
@@JCTiggs1 I think the steering is fine. TH-camrs have to find something to complain about lol. The handling is what surprised me the most, it's really really good. My biggest complaint would be poor gas mileage and kinda budget looking interior.
@@JCTiggs1 tough call on that one. Golf R is pretty sweet. I bought the base WRX and will do about $5K in mods, wheels, tires, cat back exhaust and a few other things. Will be suweet when I'm done!
Jason, thanks for sharing the video. 7:50 That take-up rate of manual vs CVT should be an indication of how much people hate CVTs 🙂👍 They have had durability issues and feel horrible to drive, hard to convince people otherwise now.
Great review with the details that matter. The styling is subjective for sure, but it still says WRX in its form. That center screen OTOH.... I have used that in the Outback and what a PITA for touch based adjustments of HVAC as compared to the '15 - '21 WRX / STI with that nifty split screen and wonderfully large control dials. The wide-spread implementation of software and touch-screen based features which require an eyes-off-the-road glance with every single use is a huge safety hazard, especially since most versions of the WRX do not have Eye Sight and automatic braking. I daily a '20 STI and greatly appreciate the physical controls. Please bring them back in some form, Subaru. Screens are not always the right answer.
I think longevity is a positive as well. A larger engine with lower boost will survive longer than a smaller displacement engine with higher boost, even at the same power output. I had a 2002 bug eye Impreza and that style just stuck with me as my favorite. Subaru hasnt made anything that has caught my eye since then.
This was really nice work. While I'm not in the market, I did wrench for a living, and race and crew for fun here and there. Not used to seeing such superbly develloped and delivered car evaluations here. Thanks bunches. Subscribing.
Subjective comments on styling aside, I think they've set up the platform well for the upcoming STI. I still feel like Subaru is sandbagging the new WRX, but for those looking for a fun daily sports sedan it's a pretty compelling package.
It sucks they went in the direction to make it look like a normal “sport” Sedan. I still think the 2015-2021 WRX stock has that look that turns heads on the roads. But I guess they got to appeal to everyone for the business with the sacrifice of looking less special.
Here’s hoping they made it ugly on purpose so the STi looks better. But then again they could just slap a big wang and BBK on the STi and call it a day.
Thank you for the best review out there with emphasis on the oily bits. As a 2020 WRX owner with the 6spd in WRB, I wanted to know how the car drives in comparison to mine and would an upgrade be worthwhile- you have answered that question for me. Looks are subjective and I dont need the visual assessment that all the other reviews deem necessary. I usually keep my cars for many years so i think I will be more interested with what happens to the STI and consider an upgrade when the time comes-thanks.
I enjoy the detailed commentary while actually showing us the car in motion . A lot of reviewers just show you the inside and outside and drive it down the block lol
Best review I’ve seen so far. Most other videos don’t cover the depth in the details between the 2022 vs 2021. Also, this comment section is full of much more positive logical comments other than the ridiculous fanboyism and hatred on other videos.
I don't think there has ever been a newly introduced model of Subaru, that wasn't met with criticism about how they look. At the end of the day though they've all grown on us and we appreciate the great engineering that goes into them. And the best part is that you don't have to sell body parts to afford them.
@@stevensasuga5462 so it's all about looks for you. Substance doesn't matter to you. I can see you making a bunch of divorce lawyers very very rich some day.
@@johnk1532 difference between buying something as ugly as sin - and then saying "it's growing on me" - and buying something that's good and good looking.
As someone that usually buys older cars and works on them myself I can see another benefit of this generation of WRX for people like me in the future. Once these start getting 5-10 years old and hitting the used market there will be a ton of places to pull parts for these engines because the same engines are being used in other Subaru models.
None of the competitors have AWD and this big of an engine for this price point, so for me it's kind of a no brainer to look at this over the rest. Also I feel like the loss of 1mpg in EPA testing may have to do with stricter testing. I think in regular driving, MPG should probably be similar to the last WRX. The new BRZ was rated lower but there's been people who managed to beat the rating.
@@mofayer The Si does have a nice interior, but it is half baked compared to the Canadian version. It's pretty basic in terms of features, but does at least have that Bose sound system. The GTI has all those touch buttons that's driving everyone crazy, including the ones that don't light up on the infotainment when it's night. The base WRX interior is pretty basic, but it's cost cutting. The limited trim that everyone is reviewing looks pretty nice. Exterior wise I only hate the black cladding on the WRX, but other than that, I like all 3 exteriors.
I've owned mine for 2 days now, 100 or so miles of mostly PA mountain driving, and my god it is so good. They need to put together a factory brake upgrade option, because while they're effective when you really dig in, they do not inspire confidence or feel appropriate for how quick the car is. Otherwise, wow, I'm impressed with it so far. Yeah, it feels like an economy sedan with an amazing powertrain, because that's still what it is. I'm not a fan of the feel of the electric steering, but it's very responsive and surprisingly quick around center. The stock summer Dunlops are trash, I drove them for a day before grabbing A/S 4's which massively improved the ride quality and road feel. I drive a lot of tight, wooded backroads and the suspension and engine tuning are phenomenal. It feels like it holds something back when launching from a stop, probably to keep 1st gear from exploding, but once you hit 2K in 2nd gear it feels like a rocketship. The acceleration in basically any gear from low RPM's is pretty impressive for a Rex. No issues in traffic with the clutch or torque response. Intake/exhaust aren't going to wake your neighbors up, but it still makes nice boxer sounds and you can feel the rumble in your seat. I can only assume everyone saying they're hitting the redline and don't realize it are deaf because it's still louder than a typical economy 4-banger (it's louder than my SX-4 hatch was when it had a broken weld just before the muffler, and that thing sounds like it's going to blow up above 4k as it is). Shifting from 2nd/3rd I get a nice subtle popoff woosh. Rev hang is basically nonexistent, I had completely forgotten it used to be an issue until I rewatched some reviews comparing it to the last model. Styling is subjective, but the Subie kids I've shown it to seem to like it. I could take or leave the infotainment, I may end up driving around with the screen switched off most of the time and the climate control set to full auto since you can still manually switch on the defrosters and adjust the interior temp. Not a fan of tons of electronics, but being able to log in and see my car's health telemetry/maintenance data from my web browser or phone is a game changer for someone like me who is super paranoid about the condition of his cars. Seats in the Premium are surprisingly good, comfortable with solid bolstering. I dunno how they managed to fit so much interior space into it, I'm still getting used to how it feels like a bigger car than it actually is. Parked next to a co-worker's Lancer, I realized they're almost exactly the same size, and that's not a car I would consider large. Visibility is amazing except for the rear because of the headrests/rear body line, thinnest A pillars I've seen on a new car. With the seats down I was able to easily stuff my old tires in the trunk with room for at least 2 more had I stacked them in the rear seating area. It's good. I wanted a new daily that put a smile on my face driving to work, and it does that. Maybe I'll feel differently if I ever get to test drive a GR Corolla (god knows I won't be able to buy one), but it's good. It's what it needs to be, in my opinion, even if it means disappointing the street racer bros. I know everyone wants more power, but it's properly quick in the tight twisty stuff and still fast enough when I get to open it up that I feel like I'm endangering my driving privilege just by being in it. If the new drivetrain/chassis shares the reliability of the rest of their fleet, I think this is a severely underrated all-season performance car. I'm looking forward to seeing some snow this winter.
If you learn how to let the engine do some of your breaking for you, the mediocre brakes could be more of a nonissue. I used to live in Centre County and miss Wykoff Run Rd up in Cameron County/Quehanna area of PA. You want a fun twisty road to ride on, look it up.
@@truckinguy92 Thanks for the suggestion, next time I'm up that way I'll have to check that road out. The thing with the brakes I'm finding is that they feel weak, but they really aren't, at least on the street (on a track I'd want different fluid/pads, but that's the case with every car). I think part of the problem is that in newer cars the resistance tends to build up almost as soon as you touch the pedal, where you need to get deep into the travel to get the same resistance on the WRX.
How do the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 improve ride quality and feel? I just picked up a 2023 base model last week and find the harsh ride a bit tiring at times. I knew what I was getting into from test drives, but anything to soften the harshness would be nice. Also, I find the steering to be a bit twitchy at high speeds 70mph +. I wonder if this Michelin tires would help with that as well.
@@cmbiker It's been so long since I've driven on the OEM Dunlops that it's a hard question to answer. One thing I do remember is that they lose grip more progressively, the Michelins seem to give more warning before a tire starts sliding and are easy to get back under control. As far as ride quality goes, the car still makes me hate it if I'm cruising around at 25-35mph, but it seems like the faster you go the better the ride gets.
I drive a 2017 wrx and I can see how this engine would certainly be less stressed with its extra displacement capabilities. if I'm not mistaken, the fa20dit was a temporary answer and used the same bore and stroke as the brz and 86. I need to rev up to 3k to get the car moving and I live in a mountainous area. I have the Cobb accessport and am mostly interested in holding onto what I have and modifying it for reliability but this new engine is really interesting.
They are one of rarer new sports cars to have a manual so I think they sell to a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise get a wrx. The styling for instance isn't exactly as good as it used to be
The failure rate on DCT's is pretty high on Haldex awd systems and would probably be more so on Subaru's straight mechanical system. I think they know their market pretty well and don't mind so much if you go and buy a VW/Audi . Its a headache they don't want.
I've yet to find a reviewer who's been able to get this thing to 60 in under 6 seconds, which is really a shame. The VA would hit around 5.2 and on a perfect launch could sneak just under 5. With almost the same weight, shorter gearing and refined differentials you'd think it would match or beat it, which has me concerned. I've watched several launch videos and it looks like, for some reason, it bogs hard on initial take off every time. I certainly won't be trading in my '21 WRX anytime soon for this new gen.
0-60mph times never influence my decision, I want to know how a car feels in 3rd gear from 45-80 mph which is why I always liked my WRXs. Besides, 0-60mph is heavily influenced by whether you feel like pegging the redline in 2nd gear...
@@pogtuber5146 I'm willing to bet that the shorter gearing contributes to the 22's 0-60. In the VA you could hit 60 in second like you said, if you pegged it. I don't think that's an option in the 22, meaning you have to nail your shifts and launch. I'll be curious to see what 1/4 mile times are and what comparative track times are, that will be a far greater indicator, it's just such a big disparity between the previous gen and this gen's 60 times is concerning. I have a feeling it may be a couple years before the kinks are worked out and it's performing at it's best.
Great Comparisons between engines. Love the nerdiness of it. How about electric motors? Why do some cars get 4 miles per Kwh and some only get 2? Would love to understand electric motor tech.
A lot has to do with the weight, aerodynamics, total drivetrain efficiency (parasitic losses to cooling systems etc). I'm sure there's more but those make up some of the differences.
"Subaru Performance Transmission" is a CVT that's heavier and slower. This company is going downhill. Thank you for breaking down a lot of the details that actually matter like gearing changes and steering mechanics changes. You really have the best reviews.
YOU BE THE JUDGE.... Maxima went from ~300 to ~260 when switching from Auto to CVT. Last gen WRX made 268 with CVT & now only bumped to 271. IMO, assumed to maintain the 15% CVT sales w/o spending R&D on replacing. So perhaps a bit bland, maybe a bit safer when stock; however should be stout to MOD the manual transmission cars!
I think part of the reason they're holding back on horsepower is also because they want to increase the gap between wrx and sti. If they do that, I'm sold on the sti (currently own a 2018 wrx, base model). They definitely have room with this engine to go bigger, and I think it would be smart to have the higher model stand out more.
I hope you're right about that, but my suspicion is the STI will also receive minimal power gain. When has Subaru EVER knocked your socks off with a model update?
I tested its top speed: 144 mph, was fun ngl though I did hold pedal down for 2 mins after 144, it will not go 145, it was around 5500 rpm, still had a few rpms left to hit that 150 imo
Good video. Watched you some years back when I was contemplating buying a 2016 Legacy 3.6R which I did. Now contemplating the 2022 WRX and you're convincing me again.
The gap is an easy fix. The arches can be color matched by any reputable body shop. I'd consider keeping them with say a white WRX and black or bronze wheels with a good set of aftermarket lowering springs or better yet an adjustable coil-over setup.
Great review like always. One thing tho while mentioning the peak boost is fine, thats only helpful if they are the same size turbo with same flow rates. Eg, old WRX. TD05 Turbo @ 10psi makes much more power than TD04 @ 18psi (as the 05 is bigger flows more CFM and dont heat the charge air as much = more power with less boost) 2.5L @ 10psi is running "more" boost than a 2.0L @ 15psi.
As an owner of a current gen WRX, thanks Subaru, I'm not even remotely interested in upgrading to this abomination when mine is old. The horrible styling combined with the dumpster fire that is touchscreen HVAC controls... What the hell, guys? This car was highly anticipated and getting a slam dunk was cake on paper: Make it look good, upgrade the engine, improve NVH, and improve the quality of the materials used on the interior. The fact that they messed up EVERYTHING is not only massively disappointing, it's borderline impressive.
if i wanna watch a car review specially if the video demands to go to the specifics, this is my go to channel. The guy knows what hes talkiing about unlike other channels like raiti's rides who just spouts out big words out of place
Thanks for this review. It was very informative, as usual. I just wanted to make a quick mention of what was said at 5:54 "...you're able to get away with a *lower quality* gasoline as far as the octane rating..." As you know and have explained in the past, octane rating has nothing to do with quality, but rather with the ability to resist detonation depending on the engine's compression. I'm afraid this kind of statement will continue to propagate the myth of octane/quality. A given fuel manufacturer uses the same additives in various grades of fuel. The price differences between octanes comes from the refining process (more refining for higher octanes equals more expensive). "Quality" may differ from one brand to the next because of the additives given to their fuels. Otherwise, a well composed review. 👍 I wish I had room in my garage for a new WRX. Merry Christmas! 🎅
"The price differences between octanes comes from the refining process (more refining for higher octanes equals more expensive). " That, by nature, increases "quality". Stop being so pretentious.
Car looks way better in darker tones, especially dark grey. The rear end however is pretty nasty and not easy to deal with. Otherwise it has great lines.
The styling is great. You can actually rip down a dirt road now, or through a season of salty ski resort mountain passes, and not worry about the paint or rust. If you don’t like that, you’re probably a GTI or a Si person anyway. Nice to see the WRX return to something closer to its intended purpose.
No car is perfect.This car sure comes close!!!!!!!!It's all about the driving experience,and this car delivers much beyond the big 3.The big 3 will never understand.Theres more to a sports sedan than a space shuttle engine!!! If you drive a Subaru,you will buy a subaru!!!! That's so true.I love my 2023.Its one of the few cars I have owned that I look forward to driving.The WRX is what a car should be.Sure, it's not perfect,however,it's perfect for me !!!
15.9 PSI boost on the current gen WRX? Mine hits 20 regularly, and the boost gauge shows a peak of 22. Bone stock. Boost is pretty much instant on my 2018 WRX Premium. I have to try to keep it out of boost by using more revs and lower gears but very little throttle.
Mine (16 premium) also peaks at 21-22 psi peak, but it tapers off to 15 psi as you keep the pedal down. I also noticed if I roll into the throttle later or when I'm brake boosting around 3.5k or 4k rpm, I'll get a lower peak boost compared to rolling into it at 2.5k.
"The styling... is a subjective measure." Words that are never said about things that look good.
I was waiting for a comment on the styling and this told me everything
Especially since they have a really good looking Levorg. Just make it go from a wagon to a hatch and it's perfect.
@@adam145 They're targeting different crowds. The Levorg is a street wagon, the WRX is now more than before a soft off-roading rally inspired car, hence all the plastic on the lower bits and taller ground clearance.
The safe way a journalist can agree with the general public while still remaining on a manufacturer's good side allowing them to be invited back to future press events and launches.
So true! Let's pray the STi doesn't have all this plastic
This is the first '22 WRX review I've watched that mentions changes to steering, brakes, the reduction of "rev-hang," the significant reduction of turbo boost, improved throttle response, and that the manual weighs 130 pounds less than the CVT. Thanks. I like that the newer engine, although making virtually the same power as the 2.0T, is lower-stressed and no longer *requires* premium fuel. 'Glad you saved your very brief comment about styling for last - it's purely subjective (I'm bothered by reviewers assuming I value their opinions regarding styling - I can see for myself).
It’s a way better car than the older model and the stock engine is pretty much guaranteed to last the life of the car. It also has a ton of headroom and a hot tune can really wake up this car and compete with AWD supercars for a quarter of the price while still jumping off sand dunes. I don’t think another car like this exists.
Yeah but it do be ugly as hell
@@thelol1759 It’s missing a big ass wing to match the huge diffuser. That’s why it doesn’t look right. If Subaru gave it a normal looking bumper it wouldn’t be that much different than the BRZ.
@@markm0000 Obvious sarcasm is obvious.
Very well said Ken. Props to jason for this great technical review.
5th benefit of the larger engine with lower boost: the engine is less stressed, which improves reliability over the engine's lifetime, if the engine is left stock. This obviously won't matter to engine modders.
Engine left stock? That sounds crazy
Depends what internals they use. In subaru cases for example, up until now, the ej20 was way more reliable than ej25.
its a Subaru WRX, there's not a single WRX that hasn't been modded out there lmao
I can see people buying these things and going instantly to a tuner just to put that boost pressure up to 15 again lmao
That's don't mean anything. Higher boost is nothing for strong engine.
It's still a Subaru. Which means it's still a boxer engine. Which means that small increase in reliability won't matter once the tuners get ahold of it. Most of them are.... Less than intelligent. It's a shame. I'm a gti guy and I know a thing or two about reliability. Or lack thereof. They'll destroy them. They always do. :(
There is a difference in real power to the wheels and how the torque is delivered. The torque comes on really early. The drivability of the VB is miles better than the VA
I love that you say “what does it mean is:” explaining the words that I had no idea. Engineer explain indeed.
Thanks Jason for explaining to us the advantage of the larger engine with minimal increase in HP. While I enjoy the reviews of the other auto reviewers, your reviews are on another level.
I wonder if they are leaving extra hp on the table for modders to get to but they can't say that for legal reasons to meet emission standerts.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 I strongly suspect that’s what they want people to do. I imagine there will be a tuner chip available that bumps it up to 300hp and doesn’t affect warranty.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia You can buy a STI. I’m not buying one. They’re way overpriced and the ride quality is very bad. I don’t want to destroy my back before I turn 30. Also it’s fun modifying cars to make it exactly how you like it. This car doesn’t need a lot of power it’s lightweight and has a ton of traction. The new WRX 2.4 6MT should be just the right mix of fun, comfortable, and reliable to put +300k miles on it.
@@markm0000 I think his point was that with the larger engine and turned down boost they are clearly dialing back the power on purpose and calling it for "reliability". For Modder's sure it's attractive, for your average consumers it's a little scummy because the hardware is there but is purposely being restricted to lure them towards the pricier STi.
Edit: not sure if it was official announced but I think it was speculated that the new STi would be moving away from the EJ platform to this same FA platform which makes it more apparent that they are just purposely restricting the power from a tuning stand point for the extra $$$ on the price tag.
@@Inkmice It’s the same formula that made the old Supra so attractive. People knew the cars were reliable and had a ton of tuning potential. They were cheap cars and upgrades were cheap. You could buy a factory Supra Turbo that was nearly $10k extra but almost nobody did. It was cheaper to get a aftermarket turbo and exhaust and it could be easily tuned way faster than a stock Turbo. The base model WRX 2.4 and new 86/FRS 2.4 are the next “Supra” of this era.
This has been the best (most objective) review of the wrx I’ve seen. No talk about the controversies or irrelevant subjective topics. Well done.
I agree. I'm tired of all the cookie cutter reviews dumped on the embargo date.
I appreciate the kind words! Happy to hear it.
Best review of this vehicle so far. I love how you objectively break down all the performance variables. Well done 👍
Happy to hear it, thanks David!
No it isn't. He totally misrepresents how the AWD systems work. The WRX does NOT transfer power to the wheel with the most traction. it does exactly the opposite as all the diffs are essentially open and the viscous center diffs torque biasing capability is extremely limited. if you lift a tire, without the abs system, that tire will spin and the car will not move.
@@jeepmanxj but the car does have ABS. So your “theory” is invalid.
Sheeesh. If you don’t like misinterpretation then why are you even bothering with commenting.
Reach out to Jason personally and share your incorrect and illogical views. I’m sure he would
Love to hear it!
@@maxboya Theory suggests there is room to find out new information that could change the result. This isn't a theory. I am entirely correct and his statement is blatantly false. There can not be new information provided that changes that. Thus its a fact.
The AWD system is NOT the traction control system. They are distinct and entirely different things.
@@jeepmanxj the vehicle is awd and uses the brakes to send power to the wheels with traction. A cheaper way of doing it while retaining it's purpose. Sure it has no lsd or a locking diff but then again this is the road going version.
You're trying to make a simple matter very complicated when it really isn't complicated.
While you are not wrong in your own way, your answer isn't right either.
If the majority was able to comprehend what jason said then that is the end of that.
Two things I'd like Subaru to make: 1. Bring back the hatchback model. 2. Give a lower engine speed at top gear so that highway cruising is more relaxed.
According to Subaru, they had a certain amount of money to develop the next gen in 2015. They could have allocated a certain amount of money for a hatch and a sedan. They opted to spend all the money on the sedan variant and make it the best car it could be.
@@prevailsbear9670 Thanks for the insight. I still don't agree with them, but I guess it's better knowing what the reason was.
Prevails Bear: they should’ve put it all toward a hatch and scrapped the sedan. I feel like most people buying this car would prefer a hatch. I know I would. They’re SO much more versatile. Or even a wagon.
you mean you dont like running 3k rpms on the highway?!?! i dont understand why makers of 4 banger cars don't realize its best to be around 1500-2k on the highway cruising. I had a 2012 chevy sonic 6 speed manual. it was around 1800 rpm at 70 mph. it was great. i got 45mpg in light traffic.
@@dontworry1568 Sounds like we have similar experiences. I still have a 96 Saturn (kept for sentimental reasons) that runs about 2300 rpm in 5th at 70. Great long-distance driving car!
I’ve seen several other reviews by so called “experts” for this model vehicle. This review is by far the most concise, well organized, and eloquently prepared. I had to pause at 4:25 to write this. 👏🏼 keep up the outstanding work! With graphs and PowerPoint slides this was like an undergrad lecture at school again haha. Let’s hope the STI is going to be announced soon. I think Subaru is planning to gauge the market (WRX/STI market I mean) to see where they need to allocate their resources for profit maximization. There are so many global challenges (raw materials/parts/labor/semi conductor shortages etc) hopefully this won’t be delayed till mid 2022.
Subaru still hasn’t convinced me to part ways with my 2007 STi. This is definitely an improvement, but not worth getting rid of my 14+ year old garage queen
2018 Type RA owner here. Kind of hard when you already have the car you wanted to even consider trading in for another. IMO I would only consider a swap to the new STi engine and possibly Transmission if they were a big enough upgrade and were more reliable. I could never get over how terrible this new car looks and its all because of the plastic cladding and fugly rear end.
Also I would only trade up. It would have to be another Type RA or a S series for me to make the jump all together.
Totally agree.
2017 STI owner here, I was looking forward to this next gen for a potential trade-up. Still holding judgement until they show the STI and I can forgive the fenders but good God that rear end is hideous
If the new STI has port and direct injection I’d be game especially if it comes with 400hp. If it’s just direct injection I’m not about it.
@@zissou6928 have driving that in the snow
The newer engines do not have Head gasket issues, the main reason EJ engines even had HG issues was because they used Single layer composite HG and not Multi Layered steel HG. This FA engine does not have Head gaskets issues. People need to get that idea out that all newer Subaru's have head gasket issues.
Why did they lower boost pressure then?
@@TML34 Lowered boost pressure to keep the same HP on a larger engine more than likely, Subaru REALLY doesn't want to upgrade the HP on these cars for whatever reason. I think the STI is going to have an equally disappointing HP upgrade, possibly a higher boost pressure to get there since they share the same engine now, I believe.
@@TML34 they're not going to make a new engine extremely high strung upon its release. They'll just continue to turn up the boost a few psi every year so they can claim each new year's model has more power than last year, and people will eat it up.
@@Hawk7886 I know. It’s all about the marketing. I guess I should just be happy they got the BRZ right. 😀
Headgasket issues hasn't been a problem with EJs since the 90s. All turbo EJs have metal headgaskets. Only a few old model Ej engines had that issue and those are now extinct...
So much more informative and full of thoughtful perspective than other car reviewers. Thank you for always taking the time to create such high-quality videos, Jason.
Very kind Travis, really appreciate it! Thanks for watching.
Great review and it's right on point. I was a newcomer to subaru and I bought the 22 WRX. I couldn't be happier. The steering could feel a bit more rigid but it's quick. Shifter could be better but when has a stock wrx shifter been good? In terms of styling, I love it, except for the back side lol. I got the manual but would totally have considered auto if it was dual clutch, not cvt. Sad the STI got dropped but honestly I wouldn't have been able to afford it. Especially with the cost of living going up. I wanted an AWD car that can go on un-paved roads a bit, handle better in crappy weather, and higher than average herspers for some vroom vrooms. This one checks all the boxes
That 2.4 boxer seems promising.. if you can safely squeeze 350whp with light mods, it would be sick.. awd, Manual sub 3300lbs with 350whp would be a ton of fun.
Too bad they actually weighed it and it’s well over 3300 :(
@@notfiveo that’s how it’s always been sonny boy.
Looks heavier yet since 2002 it’s been around 3300lbs. Subaru has a good way to pack room in larger looking cars and keep it hovering about this weight.
This and I would want to convert it to a single tip exhaust
It does look chunky
All cars get bigger, heavier, or longer overtime in general, for whatever reason.
@@Mewzyc SaFeTy. And all the electronic extras. They get boring, but more soccer mom-friendly, since young people can't afford new cars anyway.
@@bara555 I bought a 2020 WRX brand new at age 22 back in 2019. I earned it and worked hard for every penny spent on it. But I guess there is some truth to your comment. Not many people my age are spending 30k on a car at 22. Most are living with their parents.
Jason is my favourite person to go to when I want to learn something useful about motor vehicles. The diversity of videos are the best. My car is in great shape because of the variety of information. Great job!
Great breakdown as always! That footnote at the end though. Essentially stating that styling is in the eye of the beholder but simultaneously saying "nope, not touching that topic with a 10 foot pole" 😂🤣😂🤣😂. Brilliant.
This helped me feel like I made the right choice ordering my 2023 sport tech. Awesome video with great attention to detail without getting to into-the-weeds on any single topic. New subscriber!
Jason is the best and explains the details so well.
I’m saving up my money for the next sti… Coming from a family that only ever had old used cars I felt so good buying the 2016 wrx back in 2018. Now I’m ready to buy my first car brand new, I want it to be the next gen STI, subie don’t let us down!!
I’m thinking of buying the new STI as my daily. I have a Type R I’m building but thinking up upgrading my daily and the STI will be sick in the winter.
I personally don’t want a STI because the ride quality is harsh and I like cloth seats. The base model 6 speed is plenty for me.
I guess you have lots of choices when it comes to STIs - syphilis, HPV, chlamydia... Most are harsh though, I agree, but I don't think the speed in which you get it makes much difference
@@pastorofmuppets8834 ha ha very funny
@@pastorofmuppets8834 literally my fear as I tell my parents my next car will be the next gen STI 🥴
I believe the FA20 in forester XT was at 15psi, but the wrx makes 18-20 depending on the weather. When my car was completely stock i would regularly see consistent 18-20lbs with spikes of 21 using an analog boost gauge as well as the reading from the oem sensor.
I was thinking I’d seen it read higher on drives. But the spec sheet says 15.9 so that’s what I quoted.
For what it’s worth, the car I drove (in this video) peaked at 12.1 psi as the highest reading.
@@EngineeringExplained it’s 16lbs but can overboost 4lbs in certain conditions. You’ll only see overboost at lower rpm’s, once the engine opens up it doesn’t hold it.
That's interesting they removed the overboost. It would sometimes get carried away and boost higher then it was supposed to. I wonder if the power numbers on the FA20 took the overboost into account. I think that was mostly due to the garbage boost control. The controller in the 2022 is supposed to be much improved.
@@EngineeringExplained My ‘20 WRX has a peak of 21.5 psi with no modifications. The extra boost was definitely nice.
@@carlos_zamora Same with my 2021 WRX.
seems like a nice car, just cant get over those terrible fake fender flares. As a total package though, its no question that it's a legitimate upgrade over the 2021!
Yes because no car company would design a car worse than its predecessor.
ehh in 15 years i think we won’t hate the fender flares when theres no wheel arch rust
@@loganhuwe9458 there are other solutions for rust , fake flares ain't it chief. 😂
Hopefully the STI won't have those
@@loganhuwe9458 The plastic stick-on fender flares doesn't prevent that. That's dependant on the rust treatment of the body work and chassis and/or the material. Modern cars have far superior rust protection anyway so rust shouldn't be an issue anymore in the future. The black plastic only does one thing. Make the car ugly af.
People also need to consider the increase in reliability due to the lower turbo pressure and reduced chance of Low Speed Pre Ignition. The bigger bore size lets the same amount of pressure to push harder during the power stroke. Opens up some really great possibilities from a tunability standpoint!
I’d consider getting an engine swap to my 13 sti before getting this car. Just on what you said alone. Would even upgrade as a whole but to me it’s just ugly af.
Just got my 2023 and I absolutely love it!!!
I have a 2021 WRX. I'm not the least bit enticed to upgrade to this new one. The looks inside and out have a lot to do with it. And even though under the skin, there's a completely different car and a lot of changes made, it doesn't seem to translate to a worthy upgrade. That new BRZ though, that is something that I really want to check out
Agreed the new brz looks really good.
New wrx interior looks really good
Nothing wrong with the 21 WRX. Great car.
Same, when the lease is up on my '21 Crosstrek I will DEFINETLY be checking out the new BRZ. I had a '13 and I'm a big fan of all of the improvements that were made.
It's too bad the BRZ is required to stay underpowered so it doesn't cannibalize sales of the WRX.
Casuals: +3 HP over previous. Meh!
Tuners: Engine capable of big power. Yes!
Bet it still has weak angled con rods.
@@Questchaun I've read the conrods used in the ascent's version of this engine are nearly twice as thick as the ones in the FA20.
@@ChadRazorback let's hope it made its way to this engine.
I wonder what the manual take rate would be if the WRX offered a good automatic, like a DCT, instead of a totally uninspiring CVT.
@Kerim Temel 2nd that, zf8 is an awesome trans
The tr690 in the wrx isn't a bad transmission the programming could be better. If they get rid of the simulated shifts and just hold it at max power it would be better. He wasn't describing the "center diff" correctly though it's actually a 49/51 split with a transfer clutch instead of a center differential.
Long story short it's a good trans that just has heavy moving parts making it not as willing to spin up as quickly as other transmissions
@@JSchaefer93 yeah that zf 8 speed is really something else. I drove a 330 that had that trans and It was perfect
There is nothing inherently “uninspiring” about a CVT. They can be designed to fit a purpose.
Unfortunately the public perception of CVTs is horrible, because no one has really tried to design for driving response.
@@thetechlibrarian I went from a 2015 wrx (cvt) to a 2018 M550i so of course it felt awesome to me lol
The mpg difference could just come down to the +.5in ride height
Get it tuned, I tried the COBB and was blown away not just by more power but better drivability in stop and go.
Legacy spec B was last Subaru I ever owned, nothing since then has made me want one, and the power has been the same whole time.
That's a classic. And I'm not telling you what to like. But the handling of the '15 plus Rex and sti is far above. The chassis made that big of a difference. You can 3 wheel up some driveways. And the turn in and more neutral feel of the newer sti is pretty dam good. Even compared to an older legacy or sti with coils. IMO.
What are you driving now?
@@kickinrocks6055 they still understeer like dogs if you push them hard. They need some suspension mods right out the door but with just a few upgrades they become pretty fun for such a heavy beast
This is the best video breakdown I have seen so far on the new 2022 WRX. I own a base model WRX 2017. I want the new STI so I'm in a sweet spot. Merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family brother.
Oh in regards to the cladding fenders, Subaru engineers claim that the unpainted fenders fared substantially better in wind tunnel testing as compared to the painted versions. "Just changing the structure from paint to the hexagonal texture has a big improvement on the aerodynamics of the vehicle,"🤔
Golf balls
Just what I need when I'm driving around at 55...
The plastic fenders are a travesty. Bet the STI has colored panels.
@@Questchaun even Porsche 911 Safari Spied Showing Its Lifted Suspension with cladding fenders...😃
@@NEWNATURE777 such a shame so lazy.
Remember the black plastic bumpers of the 90's what a pain.
@@Questchaun yeah, car's manufacturers going retro!!!
I rather drive a Pinto 😂
I appreciate the relatively objective evaluation. The fact that I cannot even fathom affording a $30K vehicle doesn't stop be from being addicted to watching well done videos of those who choose to share good AND BAD evaluation data. Thanks, Jason, well done IMHO
If u make 40k a year u can afford it
Thing is online when I saw this I didn’t like the looks but when I saw this in person it looks good in a good color tho
I have a 2019 Impreza and a 2021 Ascent. The CVTs are different. The linear mapping in the base Impreza is so much better than the simulated gearing in the Ascent.
I got rid of my 2016 Impreza after a year because of the CVT. Sloppy, slow, buzzy. Hard to consider ever driving a Subaru again.
my 2016 Outback also does the "simulated gear shift" specially at slow speed moving from a stop (simulating AT/MT 1st to 2nd shift), it drives me nuts. as if the car is programmed to drop RPM on purpose making you lose torque for a second or two when you need it most
@@raoufhakam5936 The CVT might be simulating the effect of small, internal gears, but the shifts are not simulated: there are actual, pre-set, physical gear ratio shifts, designed into the system because most people who actually enjoy driving hate CVTs. I'd guess shift programming and engine management have improved since 2016.
I have a 2019 wrx with a manual transmission and my wife has a 2021 forester and the cvt in it and I hate it. Subaru definitely does not make a good cvt. Even the spt or subaru performance transmission I have little hope for because it is a cvt.
@@EricGoebelbecker Is it possible to swap A-lina auto gearbox on 2016?
I just wish the back end didn't look like a civic
Jason, great job at pointing out why the new 2.4 engine is better despite having almost the same power. I have to agree with Vitor, your reviews are on another (higher) level. You must be an engineer. Keep up the great work its much appreciated!
In the motorcycle world there has been a thing where they leave a lot of extra power for modders to get to because they can't do that and meet emission standards. I wonder if subaru is doing the same.
"You must be an engineer."
Isn't that in his channel's name??
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 they don't do it intentionally, it's just a happy coincidence. Subaru's engines are already pretty close to the limit - you need some fairly extensive mods to support pushing reliable power
Great review. I've watched a bunch on this car, and this is one of the better ones. You seem much more knowledgeable about wrx's in general.
I got a chuckle out of the "since this is a sports car, everyone wants to know about the fuel economy" line 😁 I'm surprised the manual is rated higher than the CVT, since in the very few cars that offer both (including the Crosstrek), it's usually the other way around. I bought a '21 Crosstrek with the stick, which is rated 29mpg on the highway (I think the CVT was 33), but I'm actually getting 32-33 in mixed driving, and without really trying for economy.
I'm glad the looming all-electric future isn't ruining the possibility of fun, dinosaur-powered cars like this coming out the next few years.
In Eu (especially norway) we wont get any new fossil powered cars anymore... Im considering moving now🤣
its because they aren't implementing the CVT correctly. 7:03 downshift rev matching shouldn't be a thing with a cvt. there should be no "shifting" with a cvt.
Which engine do you have? I have the 2.0L in my Impreza and I am definitely getting lower than 30mpg with a CVT lol
Y’all need to look at the bright side. This is the sleeper car you’ve wanted all along. Looks like a Crosstrek, drives better than previous gen WRX. 😜
If I was going to upgrade from the current gen I would definitely wait til we see a mid-cycle refresh. I really like all the improvements, especially the new platform., but maybe a little different styling + any other advantages that come with a refresh would then make it worth it.
My buddies 18" premium and my 16" premium are very different things.
Very wise advice
Are the 16 and 18 that different?
@@nathanhosier7100 interior wise, yes. The refresh models have a much better head unit and stereo, and you get recaro seats with the sport package. Bit quieter on road noise in my experience too.
John Cena looking at this comment saying "are you sure about that?"
Mid cycle refresh ? So 2023 ?
The new WRX is a prime example of when auto makers have no competition in a market.
Mitsubishi needs to get their act together and go after these guys.
@@markm0000 Renault got them them twisted so highly unlikely anything is coming out to take on wrx.
@@v8_sami Renault has nothing to do with what Mitsubishi has become, to this day even in European models Mitsubishi uses their own engines and platforms and is not bound to technology that Renault and Nissan uses. Even Nissan which is a lot closer to Renault than Mitsubishi does a lot of things their way, so it's not like Renault is a party pooper. It's an alliance, not an ownership. Nissan still sells the GT-R and will make the new Z, so if Mitsubishi wanted to make a new Evo no one would stop them.
@@markm0000 SERIOUSLY
Disagree. The Civic SI, VW Golf GTI, Ford Focus ST, MazdaSpeed 3 , Audi A4, BMW M3 & Z3 Coupe..
Feel like I learned more about this car from this video then all the others I have watched combined. Thanks for the great content!
Jason knocks it out of the park again. Great in-depth review w/ points others aren't even mentioning.
Id love to see what comes out for aftermarket fender flares! I do like the plastic fenders for rust protection more so for cold places with road salt.
They also use the golf ball aero pattern so less drag and more air directed to cool the brakes rather than the air "breaking" you
If you live in a colder climate the infotainment should be your major concern. I have driven 230k on my 15 legacy without all the plastic flares and all. Very little rust on underbody nothing on the panels at all.
@@JeremyHansenblue2kid3 yea, bet that makes a world of difference
Guaranteed they paint them for the sti, doesn’t bother me cuz I’ll just trade my sti in, but come on just give the people what they want Subaru
@@v8_sami 6yrs is still pretty new. Give it time lmao
As an owner of a '21 WRX, I can't say that I'm interested in the new one. However, if the new STI ends up producing 400hp like the rumors say it might, then we can talk..
Amen
I initially had hope about the 400hp, but after they revealed this wrx there's not a single chance it'll even be close. Subaru showed they're not interested in upping the ante when there's no competitors, and no one in the sti segment is even close to 400. At this point I'd be happy with 350, I would really hope they won't do less than that...
The de-tuned the 2.4 to make the same numbers to the WRX. I wouldnt count on 400hp sti. Lol. It will more then likely be little bit more hp(310-320) with way more trq then older STis (320-340trq). If it doesn’t make gobs of trq with this new 2.4 the sti will be going the way of the EVO.
The ‘20 WRX is my sixth Subaru. Thus far, it has never made sense to me to upgrade to the STI when I trade in a WRX lease because they’ve been Close Enough for the last few leases. I am really hoping the unimpressive numbers on this next gen WRX are leaving room for the 400hp STI we’ve all been dreaming about in every generation after the ‘04 Blobeye.
I am so nervous that the factory will let us down by not delivering an impressive improvement. Keep in mind that there was a 300-horsepower WRX STi in 2004. Imagine any piece of technology that has improved less in that time. How can the factory not give their loyal customers an exciting STi upgrade to aspire to? They have to do this for us, right? I can’t remember the last time I was this hopeful, yet nervous that I was about to be let down.
I'd like to hear more about how the 2022 can handle 87 octane? I've been trying to find out about but no one seems to talk about it.
I love the way you explain everything like its a conversation. Very unbiased. Great video as always
I bought my 2010 WRX new and still love it. Has less than 35k miles- a five speed that gets me over 60 MPH in 2nd gear and puts a smile on my face every time I drive it. This 2022 model has nothing on my 2010.
I’d hardly put the SI and WRX as competitors. AWD vs FWD, Civic has a much smaller engine as well. If you want to try comparing it to the Civic Type R, that might be a bit more fair. Just because they cost the same doesn’t say much. Fit and finish on a Honda is superior to a Subaru as is the reliability and longevity of all the parts. I do like the look of the WRX more and it is a better sporty car, but you pay for it in less gas mileage and a stiffer ride. If it’s me and I have to pick between the two, the Civic SI is the one to get.
It's about their comparable place in the market, not so much about comparable specs/performance. The WRX competes with the SI and GTI because it is placed ~30k, where the STI competed with the Type R and Golf R as they are all priced ~40k.
Performance-wise, I completely agree though. A 200hp FWD car doesn't really stack up to 270hp AWD. Maybe one day Honda will expand their performance line to include some AWD hatchbacks or a return to the S2000.
Have a manual 2016 Ive had since new. Too say these FA cars are solid platforms would be an understatement for the price to performance.
Yes sir. I still have my 2016 that I bought new also..... Seeing this 2022, I'll be keeping my 2016 for a lot longer.
I sold these cars. The 2.0 Boxer was known to be pretty bullet proof based on what my Subie mechanics said at meetings. They weren't too impressed with the 2.5L. But this is a 2.4L. We'll find out soon how good it is. I would stay away for two years.
If the new WRX engine is already being used in the Outback and the Ascent, wouldn't you already have 2 years of data on the engine?
@@dannytse8767 not turbo data as far as I know.
@@eyetvideos467 You think the ascent isn't turbo? That would be dangerously slow.
@@RCXDerp hahahaha I guess you’re right the ascent is pretty large
@@eyetvideos467 The Ascent has been turbo since its inception. The Outback has the XT and Wilderness versions, both of which are turbo. So yes, there is a couple of years of turbo data for the 2.4L.
Just got a 23 base. Very impressive so far and I've owned every generation. 👍
How do you find the steering? All the reviews complain about lack of feedback and overall feel. 🤔
@@JCTiggs1 I think the steering is fine. TH-camrs have to find something to complain about lol. The handling is what surprised me the most, it's really really good. My biggest complaint would be poor gas mileage and kinda budget looking interior.
@@churchofbrap876 Thanks for the reply and feedback! I'm trying to decide between a WRX or spending an extra $10k for 2024 Golf R 🤔
@@JCTiggs1 tough call on that one. Golf R is pretty sweet. I bought the base WRX and will do about $5K in mods, wheels, tires, cat back exhaust and a few other things. Will be suweet when I'm done!
Awesome review! And I’ll say finally seeing the ‘22 in person changed my mind about the looks. It does show way better in person.
Jason, thanks for sharing the video.
7:50 That take-up rate of manual vs CVT should be an indication of how much people hate CVTs 🙂👍
They have had durability issues and feel horrible to drive, hard to convince people otherwise now.
especially when they don't have a clear understanding of who makes these CVTs for different cars.
The 15% who bought the CVT bought the wrong model of car.
Great review with the details that matter. The styling is subjective for sure, but it still says WRX in its form. That center screen OTOH.... I have used that in the Outback and what a PITA for touch based adjustments of HVAC as compared to the '15 - '21 WRX / STI with that nifty split screen and wonderfully large control dials. The wide-spread implementation of software and touch-screen based features which require an eyes-off-the-road glance with every single use is a huge safety hazard, especially since most versions of the WRX do not have Eye Sight and automatic braking. I daily a '20 STI and greatly appreciate the physical controls. Please bring them back in some form, Subaru. Screens are not always the right answer.
I think longevity is a positive as well. A larger engine with lower boost will survive longer than a smaller displacement engine with higher boost, even at the same power output.
I had a 2002 bug eye Impreza and that style just stuck with me as my favorite. Subaru hasnt made anything that has caught my eye since then.
I think the ej205 has better reliability than the ej255/ej257.
Thats big daddy toyota for you
l am loving my 2023 WRX 6 speed. 2.4 and chassis is better as expected, styling not bad , cladding protects the body
This was really nice work. While I'm not in the market, I did wrench for a living, and race and crew for fun here and there. Not used to seeing such superbly develloped and delivered car evaluations here. Thanks bunches. Subscribing.
Subjective comments on styling aside, I think they've set up the platform well for the upcoming STI.
I still feel like Subaru is sandbagging the new WRX, but for those looking for a fun daily sports sedan it's a pretty compelling package.
Yeah uhhh… about that…
It sucks they went in the direction to make it look like a normal “sport” Sedan. I still think the 2015-2021 WRX stock has that look that turns heads on the roads. But I guess they got to appeal to everyone for the business with the sacrifice of looking less special.
Here’s hoping they made it ugly on purpose so the STi looks better. But then again they could just slap a big wang and BBK on the STi and call it a day.
A lot of people think the kiosk ended at 2014. I had a 14 wrb hatch and have not wanted a newer model since. I hate the way they look.
Thank you for the best review out there with emphasis on the oily bits. As a 2020 WRX owner with the 6spd in WRB, I wanted to know how the car drives in comparison to mine and would an upgrade be worthwhile- you have answered that question for me. Looks are subjective and I dont need the visual assessment that all the other reviews deem necessary. I usually keep my cars for many years so i think I will be more interested with what happens to the STI and consider an upgrade when the time comes-thanks.
I enjoy the detailed commentary while actually showing us the car in motion . A lot of reviewers just show you the inside and outside and drive it down the block lol
I have a 2020 Outback Onyx with that same engine. It makes an astonishing amount of power.
Jokes aside I truly thought this was a crosstrek review from the thumbnail
Thank you for touching upon the super critical details like the rev hang issue, the throttle tuning, and updated gearing. Fantastic objective review.
Cool bro, but how many car seats can you get in it? I think that's the primary concern of potential WRX buyers in 2022.
Agreed
true. we need the return of the wagon
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The Diono RXT car seats pretty much can fit 3 across in a lot of vehicles. Had 2 in my 18 and center seat was still usable.
I love mine so much. Coming from a 95 ford probe GT. The difference is just huge. Great review I learned a lot from it
Best review I’ve seen so far. Most other videos don’t cover the depth in the details between the 2022 vs 2021. Also, this comment section is full of much more positive logical comments other than the ridiculous fanboyism and hatred on other videos.
The styling is excellent.
I don't think there has ever been a newly introduced model of Subaru, that wasn't met with criticism about how they look. At the end of the day though they've all grown on us and we appreciate the great engineering that goes into them. And the best part is that you don't have to sell body parts to afford them.
Saying something has grown on me means it's crap, you just get used to how crap it is
Exactly. Would you want your gf or wife’s looks to grow on you? Hell no. Just like a car it needs to be love at first sight.
@@stevensasuga5462 so it's all about looks for you. Substance doesn't matter to you.
I can see you making a bunch of divorce lawyers very very rich some day.
@@johnk1532 difference between buying something as ugly as sin - and then saying "it's growing on me" - and buying something that's good and good looking.
I like the styling, it is more of an offroad look. Which means it is less likely to end up being a stancy boi at local car meets.
Nothing compares to a stock 07 sti.... hands down the best year... 👌
And the 05 widetrack blobeye (EU edition) hawkeye driveline/suspension with an Ej207 and blob front👌
As someone that usually buys older cars and works on them myself I can see another benefit of this generation of WRX for people like me in the future. Once these start getting 5-10 years old and hitting the used market there will be a ton of places to pull parts for these engines because the same engines are being used in other Subaru models.
None of the competitors have AWD and this big of an engine for this price point, so for me it's kind of a no brainer to look at this over the rest.
Also I feel like the loss of 1mpg in EPA testing may have to do with stricter testing. I think in regular driving, MPG should probably be similar to the last WRX. The new BRZ was rated lower but there's been people who managed to beat the rating.
Both SI and GTI have much better interiors and much much better exteriors. The WRX had much more power and awd. Your pick.
@@mofayer The Si does have a nice interior, but it is half baked compared to the Canadian version. It's pretty basic in terms of features, but does at least have that Bose sound system.
The GTI has all those touch buttons that's driving everyone crazy, including the ones that don't light up on the infotainment when it's night.
The base WRX interior is pretty basic, but it's cost cutting. The limited trim that everyone is reviewing looks pretty nice.
Exterior wise I only hate the black cladding on the WRX, but other than that, I like all 3 exteriors.
@@mistamaog Or just get the new Elantra N. It's got great features and will blow all of these options out of the water with the power it has.
@@mistamaog What if Volvo V60 ???
@@alexbeau348 No manual, and it costs more, but most importantly, no manual.
I've owned mine for 2 days now, 100 or so miles of mostly PA mountain driving, and my god it is so good. They need to put together a factory brake upgrade option, because while they're effective when you really dig in, they do not inspire confidence or feel appropriate for how quick the car is. Otherwise, wow, I'm impressed with it so far. Yeah, it feels like an economy sedan with an amazing powertrain, because that's still what it is. I'm not a fan of the feel of the electric steering, but it's very responsive and surprisingly quick around center. The stock summer Dunlops are trash, I drove them for a day before grabbing A/S 4's which massively improved the ride quality and road feel. I drive a lot of tight, wooded backroads and the suspension and engine tuning are phenomenal. It feels like it holds something back when launching from a stop, probably to keep 1st gear from exploding, but once you hit 2K in 2nd gear it feels like a rocketship. The acceleration in basically any gear from low RPM's is pretty impressive for a Rex. No issues in traffic with the clutch or torque response. Intake/exhaust aren't going to wake your neighbors up, but it still makes nice boxer sounds and you can feel the rumble in your seat. I can only assume everyone saying they're hitting the redline and don't realize it are deaf because it's still louder than a typical economy 4-banger (it's louder than my SX-4 hatch was when it had a broken weld just before the muffler, and that thing sounds like it's going to blow up above 4k as it is). Shifting from 2nd/3rd I get a nice subtle popoff woosh. Rev hang is basically nonexistent, I had completely forgotten it used to be an issue until I rewatched some reviews comparing it to the last model. Styling is subjective, but the Subie kids I've shown it to seem to like it. I could take or leave the infotainment, I may end up driving around with the screen switched off most of the time and the climate control set to full auto since you can still manually switch on the defrosters and adjust the interior temp. Not a fan of tons of electronics, but being able to log in and see my car's health telemetry/maintenance data from my web browser or phone is a game changer for someone like me who is super paranoid about the condition of his cars. Seats in the Premium are surprisingly good, comfortable with solid bolstering. I dunno how they managed to fit so much interior space into it, I'm still getting used to how it feels like a bigger car than it actually is. Parked next to a co-worker's Lancer, I realized they're almost exactly the same size, and that's not a car I would consider large. Visibility is amazing except for the rear because of the headrests/rear body line, thinnest A pillars I've seen on a new car. With the seats down I was able to easily stuff my old tires in the trunk with room for at least 2 more had I stacked them in the rear seating area.
It's good. I wanted a new daily that put a smile on my face driving to work, and it does that. Maybe I'll feel differently if I ever get to test drive a GR Corolla (god knows I won't be able to buy one), but it's good. It's what it needs to be, in my opinion, even if it means disappointing the street racer bros. I know everyone wants more power, but it's properly quick in the tight twisty stuff and still fast enough when I get to open it up that I feel like I'm endangering my driving privilege just by being in it. If the new drivetrain/chassis shares the reliability of the rest of their fleet, I think this is a severely underrated all-season performance car. I'm looking forward to seeing some snow this winter.
Good info I got the car couple days ago and I am impressed . Brake upgrade would be amazing
If you learn how to let the engine do some of your breaking for you, the mediocre brakes could be more of a nonissue. I used to live in Centre County and miss Wykoff Run Rd up in Cameron County/Quehanna area of PA. You want a fun twisty road to ride on, look it up.
@@truckinguy92 Thanks for the suggestion, next time I'm up that way I'll have to check that road out.
The thing with the brakes I'm finding is that they feel weak, but they really aren't, at least on the street (on a track I'd want different fluid/pads, but that's the case with every car). I think part of the problem is that in newer cars the resistance tends to build up almost as soon as you touch the pedal, where you need to get deep into the travel to get the same resistance on the WRX.
How do the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 improve ride quality and feel? I just picked up a 2023 base model last week and find the harsh ride a bit tiring at times. I knew what I was getting into from test drives, but anything to soften the harshness would be nice. Also, I find the steering to be a bit twitchy at high speeds 70mph +. I wonder if this Michelin tires would help with that as well.
@@cmbiker It's been so long since I've driven on the OEM Dunlops that it's a hard question to answer. One thing I do remember is that they lose grip more progressively, the Michelins seem to give more warning before a tire starts sliding and are easy to get back under control. As far as ride quality goes, the car still makes me hate it if I'm cruising around at 25-35mph, but it seems like the faster you go the better the ride gets.
The 2.0L turbo engine used in the 2015-2021 WRX that you mentioned at 3:30 was also used in the 2014-2018 SJ Forester XT, not just the VA WRX
Yeah i was confused when he said only 15psi near the 1 minute mark. When my 2015 was stock i would reguallary see 18-20 with 21-22 spikes
Yes, but no longer used in Forester, point being that they’re still making an individual engine for a single vehicle.
@@EngineeringExplained gotcha, understood
I drive a 2017 wrx and I can see how this engine would certainly be less stressed with its extra displacement capabilities. if I'm not mistaken, the fa20dit was a temporary answer and used the same bore and stroke as the brz and 86. I need to rev up to 3k to get the car moving and I live in a mountainous area. I have the Cobb accessport and am mostly interested in holding onto what I have and modifying it for reliability but this new engine is really interesting.
Most comprehensive review I've ever watched, good stuff
The take rate of the automatic would probably be higher if they offered a dual clutch.
Yup
No-one wants a glorified moped transmission. Big surprise
They are one of rarer new sports cars to have a manual so I think they sell to a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise get a wrx. The styling for instance isn't exactly as good as it used to be
The failure rate on DCT's is pretty high on Haldex awd systems and would probably be more so on Subaru's straight mechanical system. I think they know their market pretty well and don't mind so much if you go and buy a VW/Audi . Its a headache they don't want.
I've yet to find a reviewer who's been able to get this thing to 60 in under 6 seconds, which is really a shame. The VA would hit around 5.2 and on a perfect launch could sneak just under 5. With almost the same weight, shorter gearing and refined differentials you'd think it would match or beat it, which has me concerned. I've watched several launch videos and it looks like, for some reason, it bogs hard on initial take off every time. I certainly won't be trading in my '21 WRX anytime soon for this new gen.
0-60mph times never influence my decision, I want to know how a car feels in 3rd gear from 45-80 mph which is why I always liked my WRXs. Besides, 0-60mph is heavily influenced by whether you feel like pegging the redline in 2nd gear...
@@pogtuber5146 I'm willing to bet that the shorter gearing contributes to the 22's 0-60. In the VA you could hit 60 in second like you said, if you pegged it. I don't think that's an option in the 22, meaning you have to nail your shifts and launch. I'll be curious to see what 1/4 mile times are and what comparative track times are, that will be a far greater indicator, it's just such a big disparity between the previous gen and this gen's 60 times is concerning. I have a feeling it may be a couple years before the kinks are worked out and it's performing at it's best.
@lohanforever Its the gearing change. Its probably so the Sti can hit 60 in 2nd with the additional boost.
Great Comparisons between engines. Love the nerdiness of it. How about electric motors? Why do some cars get 4 miles per Kwh and some only get 2? Would love to understand electric motor tech.
A lot has to do with the weight, aerodynamics, total drivetrain efficiency (parasitic losses to cooling systems etc). I'm sure there's more but those make up some of the differences.
regen?
Thank you for the great review! Love that it will run on 87 octane too!
Great new car, reliable, incredible to drive, comfortable and quality built in Japan.
"Subaru Performance Transmission" is a CVT that's heavier and slower. This company is going downhill.
Thank you for breaking down a lot of the details that actually matter like gearing changes and steering mechanics changes. You really have the best reviews.
Yeah, manual vs CVT is a no-brainer
@@joshm340 I agree completely, but putting the word "performance" in the name of the strictly worse transmission is another level of out-of-touch.
YOU BE THE JUDGE.... Maxima went from ~300 to ~260 when switching from Auto to CVT. Last gen WRX made 268 with CVT & now only bumped to 271.
IMO, assumed to maintain the 15% CVT sales w/o spending R&D on replacing. So perhaps a bit bland, maybe a bit safer when stock; however should be stout to MOD the manual transmission cars!
Don’t compare Subaru to Nissan lol
@@luisdaniel4193 I will
@@luisdaniel4193 both have trashy CVT and have strayed far from their roots.
2016+ Nissan Maxima has 300 HP & CVT.
I think part of the reason they're holding back on horsepower is also because they want to increase the gap between wrx and sti. If they do that, I'm sold on the sti (currently own a 2018 wrx, base model). They definitely have room with this engine to go bigger, and I think it would be smart to have the higher model stand out more.
I also feel like it gives the Cobbs and Grimmspeeds of the world reasons to stay busy.
I hope you're right about that, but my suspicion is the STI will also receive minimal power gain. When has Subaru EVER knocked your socks off with a model update?
@@tommyboydmd9941 Sti is canceled.
Ain't no STi anymore
@@Jorgie000 Yes I'm aware, this comment was made before that announcement.
I tested its top speed: 144 mph, was fun ngl though I did hold pedal down for 2 mins after 144, it will not go 145, it was around 5500 rpm, still had a few rpms left to hit that 150 imo
Good video. Watched you some years back when I was contemplating buying a 2016 Legacy 3.6R which I did. Now contemplating the 2022 WRX and you're convincing me again.
I think this would be the best looking WRX in a while if not for those wheel arches and gap.
The gap is an easy fix. The arches can be color matched by any reputable body shop. I'd consider keeping them with say a white WRX and black or bronze wheels with a good set of aftermarket lowering springs or better yet an adjustable coil-over setup.
Yeah... But what about rear bumper? That ugly mf is hard to fix on a budget
Lmao, that is an ugly rear end. I much prefer my limited 2018
I think those look great tbh great for destroying a snowy road
Great review like always.
One thing tho while mentioning the peak boost is fine, thats only helpful if they are the same size turbo with same flow rates.
Eg, old WRX. TD05 Turbo @ 10psi makes much more power than TD04 @ 18psi
(as the 05 is bigger flows more CFM and dont heat the charge air as much = more power with less boost)
2.5L @ 10psi is running "more" boost than a 2.0L @ 15psi.
As an owner of a current gen WRX, thanks Subaru, I'm not even remotely interested in upgrading to this abomination when mine is old. The horrible styling combined with the dumpster fire that is touchscreen HVAC controls... What the hell, guys?
This car was highly anticipated and getting a slam dunk was cake on paper: Make it look good, upgrade the engine, improve NVH, and improve the quality of the materials used on the interior. The fact that they messed up EVERYTHING is not only massively disappointing, it's borderline impressive.
Mom always said change was very hard for you. That gets worse as you get older sweetie. It will be alright.
Best analysis of this car that I've found. Kudos! 👍
if i wanna watch a car review specially if the video demands to go to the specifics, this is my go to channel. The guy knows what hes talkiing about unlike other channels like raiti's rides who just spouts out big words out of place
Thanks for this review. It was very informative, as usual. I just wanted to make a quick mention of what was said at 5:54 "...you're able to get away with a *lower quality* gasoline as far as the octane rating..." As you know and have explained in the past, octane rating has nothing to do with quality, but rather with the ability to resist detonation depending on the engine's compression. I'm afraid this kind of statement will continue to propagate the myth of octane/quality. A given fuel manufacturer uses the same additives in various grades of fuel. The price differences between octanes comes from the refining process (more refining for higher octanes equals more expensive). "Quality" may differ from one brand to the next because of the additives given to their fuels. Otherwise, a well composed review. 👍 I wish I had room in my garage for a new WRX. Merry Christmas! 🎅
"The price differences between octanes comes from the refining process (more refining for higher octanes equals more expensive). "
That, by nature, increases "quality". Stop being so pretentious.
Car looks way better in darker tones, especially dark grey.
The rear end however is pretty nasty and not easy to deal with. Otherwise it has great lines.
The styling is great. You can actually rip down a dirt road now, or through a season of salty ski resort mountain passes, and not worry about the paint or rust. If you don’t like that, you’re probably a GTI or a Si person anyway. Nice to see the WRX return to something closer to its intended purpose.
No car is perfect.This car sure comes close!!!!!!!!It's all about the driving experience,and this car delivers much beyond the big 3.The big 3 will never understand.Theres more to a sports sedan than a space shuttle engine!!! If you drive a Subaru,you will buy a subaru!!!! That's so true.I love my 2023.Its one of the few cars I have owned that I look forward to driving.The WRX is what a car should be.Sure, it's not perfect,however,it's perfect for me !!!
15.9 PSI boost on the current gen WRX? Mine hits 20 regularly, and the boost gauge shows a peak of 22. Bone stock. Boost is pretty much instant on my 2018 WRX Premium. I have to try to keep it out of boost by using more revs and lower gears but very little throttle.
Mine (16 premium) also peaks at 21-22 psi peak, but it tapers off to 15 psi as you keep the pedal down. I also noticed if I roll into the throttle later or when I'm brake boosting around 3.5k or 4k rpm, I'll get a lower peak boost compared to rolling into it at 2.5k.