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In An Extremely Unusual Conversation,
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- While on a walk, infamous TH-camr Dax Flame stumbled upon Peter Boghossian's Spectrum Street Epistemology setup in Echo Park, Los Angeles.
In this SSE session, Peter and Dax discuss forgiveness, apologizing, and the importance of telling the truth. Dax reveals that he is reckoning with the consequences of lying to his TH-cam audience (660K subscribers and counting).
Dax Flame is an actor, producer, and TH-camr/Vlogger. He appeared in the films "Project X," "21 Jump Street," and "22 Jump Street".
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0:00 Intro
3:15 Discussing forgiveness
10:43 Creating content
17:47 Real-life vs online relationships
24:25 Dax reflects on online incident
31:33 Learning from mistakes
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On atheism, there is nothing to forgive. We are soulless, 100 percent electro-chemically deterministic machines without any capacity for free-will. Our behavioral outcomes are fully determined without our choosing. You may as well assign moral blame to a tree for crashing on your house.
Atheism is absurd.
I was fascinated by it. Typically the people who play this game with you aren’t interested in personal responsibility, but this dude is, for himself, and that’s admirable. He has principles and is trying to be someone who acts in ways he says he believes in, and open to genuine feedback.
To be honest, I kind of hope this dude decides to be honest with his listeners/viewers. Truth and accountability are a powerful duo. I think he would find they would forgive him, and hopefully learn for themselves that is a good quality they should nurture in themselves.
@@user-ov6kj1li3j I bet you tell your son it’s unacceptable for him to cry.
Honestly, this person gave me anxiety.
I love that Dax just randomly bumped into Peter. Two people I never would have expected to interact.
Is he not just a random person? What's so odd about it?
@@H.Hardrada He's a YT OG.
@@H.Hardrada Dude has been on TH-cam over 17 years.
@@SonOfMorning never heard of him. Then again, I don't really branch outside of a few very specific genres of content.
And there just happened to be a camera there
The grace, moral compass and wisdom Peter displayed is quintessential in this point of time. Peter essentially incepted that young man with a set of ideas that will grow, well done
Thank you.
@@drpeterboghossian, you are urged to become VEGAN, since carnism (the destructive ideology that supports the use and consumption of animal products, especially for “food”) is arguably the foremost existential crisis.🌱
This is where we are at in society, especially for the younger gen. They’ve been made to be afraid of telling people what they really think on some of the more “controversial” topics that they feel the need to lie about the little things too, and/or are confused about when to tell the truth and hyper vigilant about everyone’s feelings irl and the strangers online.
Yep. Really sad state of affairs
Yup......I was thinking the same thing.......but also I was reflecting on my increasingly distant past when I was embedded in the political Left (decades ago) before it broke itself by going Woke.
I know my story is similar to many others who used to live in Left circles and so this may sound somewhat familiar to some: initially when the Left was going Woke and I was smeared and slammed for saying uncontroversial things, I too initially and reflexively cowered and felt embarrassed to apparently upset my Leftist friends so much with my uncontroversial opinions.
But that subservience to Woke powerplays started wearing off and eventually the long friendships ended with fiery finality because I couldn't take the toxicity of the Left any longer.
Today I have very few close friends on the Left.......and I'm the better for it. 👏 👏 👏
Interestingly, I just noticed a brand new upload by New Discourses which, at least by the title, may tie in exactly with what I'd experienced in Left circles.
I've not yet watched this new video.
@@LouisGedo sad in a way but not sad in another. I don’t know you but I believe you when you say your better off without it.
@@elliotthyde5623
Definitely better off without those toxic Woke Leftists in my circle of close friends........but it was quite emotionally painful to me initially to lose so many long term close friends. I licked my wounds and now understand that this was the consequence of the rug of emotional attachment being yanked from under my feet.
this chap seems really vulnerable, I hope he is OK.
I love the DS9 comment, and how it totally flew over his head. I don't know Dax's story, but I see a young man who essentially didn't show up for work for 6 months, then told a lie, only to discover that he might have a conscience. Finding out who you really are isn't always easy. I found this to be a very interesting conversation and could write pages on my thoughts. Thank you, Peter, for being so level-headed. Dax, it's not the end of the world. We learn best through our mistakes.
Some Daxes know our Star Trek history 😊. My name is Dax too.
"Why do you strongly agree?" "Because that's my opinion" haha.
It’s classic Dax 😂
Wow...this conversation could have gone on for hours.
Dax seems incredibly troubled.
I hope he finds some peace.
This felt like street psychology, more than anything else.
Dax is super anxious and socially awkward. I suspect he is autistic. I am an autistic woman, a parent of an autistic child, and work with autistic adults. Peter you were really sweet to him! I hope he will forgive himself and become comfortable enough in his own skin to be his authentic self, instead of trying to be what he thinks others need him to be.
There is no way he isn’t
i think so too. I am also autistic and have met someone just like him in real life before.
The strangest thing about all this is that the "I disappointed people in my audience" part is mostly in his head. The comments on his first apology video (he's done multiple apology videos over this) were overall very positive. Not many people were actually angry about it. Most of his fans either think he's playing a surrealist character and this was all part of the joke, or they realize he's a very anxious person who did something dumb but ultimately harmless because he wanted people to think well of him. He got very little actual hate. Most people were just telling him to move on and focus on making more content
I thought the same, most people seemed to let it go, I thought he was going to move on, but he's stuck in his own negative loop, only he can move on from this.
The subscribers I'm sure just want more videos, like myself?
Needs a bit of therapy for sure. we are allowed to make mistakes, we're human. I'm sure online cancelling people's careers over 1 mistake has him worried? But I think he thinks it way worse than it actually is?
Dax needs to learn that the first person he has to live with is himself. It's good that he is struggling with the fact he mislead his TH-cam audience, but he seems to be missing the fact that he's allowed to have regrets and that a source of character is to face and learn from his regrets, because he is the one who benefits most from that reconciliation process. His audience will judge him however they want to, he has no control over them, he only has control over himself. He's worried about forgiveness from his audience more than he's willing to forgive himself, in my opinion.
I know it's a month old comment but this guy keeps going on and off about it even though his audience has long forgotten. Like man, I can't imagine the guilt he feels for such a small thing.
@@123johnBIGPP I can't even remember what he did to give him such guilt, but it could be a good thing if he can't forgive himself. About regrets, Danny DeVito in The Big Kahuna said, "It's when you discover them, when you see the folly in something you've done, and you wish that you had to do it over, but you know you can't, because it's too late. So you pick that thing up and you carry it with you, to remind you that life goes on. The world will spin without you. You really don't matter in the end. Then you will attain character. Because honesty will reach out from inside and tattoo itself all across your face..."
Lying is one of the most difficult of decisions to understand, in my experience. now I live life genuinely, alongside a hunger for the truth.
I'm probably way off but I get the impression Dax is trying to live according to someone else's set of principles. Like he has to interrogate every thought he has before taking any action or expressing himself. Good talk either way. Glad he met Peter.
Bruh this is the least expected crossover of all time lol. I remember watching Dax as a kid and never being quite sure if it was all an act or not
Many people have been surprised by this, to say the least.
Pretty sure his whole online persona is one long bit, including this interaction. He’s been described as Andy Kaufman for millennials
@@chrisbaker7583 Nah there's no way, he's just super socially awkward , possibly autistic as well
@@chrisbaker7583 That's just him. There is no evidence of him being any different off camera
@@NickFish117 regardless, the entire “forgiveness” thing is a bit he carried over from his TH-cam channel.
One of my very favourite authors stopped writing. When I found her website, there was a post that said she needed to devote her time to a loved one who needed home health care.
Every fan sent sympathy and understanding.
This guy could probably have just been honest about his responsibilities without giving details about his loved one, and his fans would be equally understanding.
Lying is just problematic. We aren’t inspired by people who aren’t true. This is a good time to learn this life lesson. Better now than later.
@@SimonWoodburyForget you're really great
Actually crazy Peter randomly encountered Daxflame. It's like meeting a former hollywood child star. Daxflame is a name I have not heard in a long long time, he was an OG TH-camr who went viral when TH-cam first started out (2007-2008). He was this weird autistic kid that made these weird videos that were funny, and he really blew up. I did not know he was still around doing content.
Yeah, it’s odd that we met. I’m grateful for the coincidence.
He is so cagey, and such a people pleaser, this is somewhat uncomfortable to watch. You can really tell that he hasn't had the truly deep realisation, from within, that lying truly, actually is wrong. For him, his considerations of why perhaps he shouldnt lie, are oddly superficial.
Seems like he is totally lost, confused, and has no moral framework to live by.
He strikes me as someone with a framework more like utilitarianism in which lying truly is only wrong if it hurts people.
In frameworks like this, sometimes it is very difficult to tell whether an action was right or wrong, because the only way to know is to measure the results. One way of doing this is by the opinions of others. Dax strikes me as someone who is very sensitive to the opinions of others because he is hunting for information that serves as feedback to help him gauge the value of his actions, which is the best way he can move forward in life with a greater chance of making better actions.
Agree or disagree with his choice of ethical framework, but this is sort of what a decent utilitarian would do. A **better** utilitarian would seek advice ahead of time, but oh well, too late, and mistakes do happen.
Lying to protect peoples feelings is absolutely ok in certain instances. The example of telling someone their outfit looks good, even if you think it doesn’t, is completely normal, and can boost someone’s confidence, which is something they might need in that moment. There’s no point knocking someone down just because you refuse to ever tell a lie.
@@Jimmy-es8bc ugh, no. Especially this. Never ok! So now you are sending them out into the world, poorly dressed. Furthermore,once they see pictures of themselves from that night,they will invariably realise that they looked sub par that evening, so now they will either know that you lied, and stop trusting you, thus, or they won't be sure,and maybe think you genuinely thought it was good advice,but hey, it looked shit, so they won't trust your judgment anymore,going forward. Also, on some level, people know if they are being lied to, always, even if it's just minor shit, and their trust will be chipped away at,bit by bit, but fast. It's lost quickly,and fully restored, probably never. If we had been having this very exchange at, say, a party, as fellow party guests, I d now know that you are trustworthy only to a certain extent, and are not reflecting on things particularly deeply, and I d start to lose interest in pursuing this conversation further.
@@Jimmy-es8bclol, did yt shadowban or even delete my response to you? So TH-cam wants to promote people who propagate lying, but is suppressing people who say lying is bad. Wow. Time to get off social media, for real.
"It's important to protect people's feelings"... Imagine going around with that kind of pressure on yourself to control something you have no control over. That's basically what this boils down to. I've never heard of this Dax guy before, but hopefully he can discover that thinking too hard about this is the cause of his suffering.
I did really appreciate this conversation, thank you Peter.
This Dax fella has more hedges than an English garden.
I don’t get it
@thecloudsaretalking830
The classical English Gardens had lots of Hedges, some for barriers, some for mazes and some for patterns/ designs.
OP is saying Dax hedges his answers. To hedge means to straddle 2 opposing opinions. A 'Fence sitter' as it were.
I always thought it was a comedic act of his, but it turns out he’s actually this awkward in real life.
@@realMaverickBuckley It's not fence sitting, it's actually caring about the truthfulness of your statements, something most people will never understand.
It was simultaneously difficult to watch and intriguing. The anxiety was palpable. I think Dax has surrounded himself with people who took advantage of him in the past, and hopefully he is out of that situation now. He almost seemed to look at you like a priest or fatherly figure wanting absolution. Then you rightfully told him that his youtube audience isn't owed anything, much less should lord over him. You could tell that's where the dissonance was.
don't lie. tell the truth. just say "I can't discuss the situation, but it's going to take some of my time".... don't expect people to forgive you. just say you're going to try to do better. but don't expect forgiveness. it's not about what others think of you, it's about what you think of you. embrace honesty, lies is a great way to lose trust. and trust is very difficult to build.
throw it away at your own peril. but don't expect others to forgive. act better because of your beliefs not because of others criticism.
Omg DAX?!?!? He is TH-cam ROYALTY. One of the first viral youtube personalities.
Truly appreciated the discussion. The openness, kindness and open-mindedness was refreshing.
The level of remorse at “betraying the trust” of complete strangers suggested to me that this poor dude is beholden to forces that don’t have the level of concern for him that he does for them. Granted, he likes his job and wants to continue to do it, but I would feel responsibility towards myself in finding the right counterpart before engaging in such a committed relationship. Peter was spot on in saying he should take all comments with a grain of salt.
well thats proof you are a man of taste peter. DS9 - or as I like to call it - Keeping up with the cardasians. ;)
It's such a bad pun😂
I love that pun!
An unexpected collab! Love to see it
I’ve never heard of daxflame before so have no opinion on the guy beyond what was discussed in this video. That said, I genuinely can’t figure out if he is sincerely contrite and sorry for the lie he told or if he is concerned about his future TH-cam income.
I suspect it's a bit of both. If you ever try to build and maintain a following of any kind (have you? sincerely curious), you will find out quickly about a new kind of pressure to "keep up appearances" that you might not have known existed before. It's a huge, extremely difficult, and often unspoken part of the work. Hard to explain properly, but it's there.
I'm so glad I didn't grow up in the online age. Dax's early online content production gave him a totally different feeling of connection to strangers and, perhaps, to people who shouldn't matter that much. It's hard for me to imagine what his world is like, but I can understand how this all happened.
I think it’s a mix of that and the fact that it’s his job and he makes good money YouTubing and probably knows he can’t or doesn’t want to work another job
It really makes sense. Dax may have viewed his YT followers as his family and friends- giving them more influence in his life than they deserved. He was in formative years. That's a different situation. If he changed ppl groups, he would grow and mature in different ways.
The viewpoint that Peter had in which Dax had to look in the camera and say “just in case” that he does not agree with. Kids transitioning. What a guy
Yeah that really bothered me. I was feeling for him up to that point and realized he was far too aware of “the audience”
This is crazy. The internet is bad for people who are sensitive.
So true. Some “content creators” get completely upset by any comment other than “great video 👍”
The desperation is really very sad you can tell all his self worth is wrapped up in what others think eg his audience
Like Peter said
I am going away foe few months to deal with a private matter end of
His finances are also wrapped up in public feelings.
we don't achieve forgiveness, we recieve forgiveness
I think the fact he felt so guilty about getting praise he didn't deserve means he should get a second chance, it's obviously weighing on him.
I agree, feeling guilt over something like undeserved praise is a sign of a strong moral compass. A monster wouldn't worry about his conscience.
I think he mostly feels guilt for lying to receive the praise. He’s just thinking about himself too much and how he appears to others. He either needs to stop reading the comments or pick a new career because it’s clearly not good for his mental health to spend his whole life doing things to make himself look good. Whether he thinks it’s “inspiring” or not doesn’t matter because at the heart of that is him trying to look virtuous. The comment about not agreeing with kids transitioning wasn’t made towards Peter it was made toward the camera so it was not authentic and not considered long enough. It was obviously a virtue signal and therefore not sincere and not honest.
@@dandrechesterfield5411 I get the sense he feels that there needs to be some kind of performative aspect to his reconciliation with his mistake, otherwise no one will see or know how seriously he takes it, and therefore it would be meaningless. I'm just an armchair psychoanalyst tho.
Another great conversation!
I was really struck by what you said about Christian Nationalists turning Anti-Woke spaces into echo-chambers and that they do many of the same things the Woke do. I completely agree, and as an Atheist, I find it very off-putting when they drag religion into political discussion. I’ve recently had a fairly tense comment exchange with one YT contributor who does this. He made several statements strongly implying that Atheists are inferior in their thinking. It’s as though philosophy never happened and that human beings have no innate sense of right and wrong. I’m not anti-Christian, but I do think religion causes division - usually because each religion thinks theirs is the one that preaches ‘the truth.’
I think you helped this young man (who seemed quite troubled). I did smile at the suggestion: “I promise not to lie about things I know are true”, closely following on from him saying he opposed your views about transitioning under-18s.
Heartfelt thanks to you, Peter. Your content is some of the most important on YT. I feel I am receiving the education my university should have provided when I watch your channel.
I feel you. I’m also an atheist and would be considered conservative by today’s definitions. It really bothers me to see so many conservative public figures using religion to back their political beliefs which to me are mostly rational beliefs that don’t need the aid of religion. It also seems that if you pay attention a lot of those people (specifically Matt Walsh) are all about using the lefts tactics while complaining about the lefts tactics of cancel culture but he has a segment every day where he cancels someone on the left.
Peter, when are you in the UK next? I live in a very politically polarised town and we as an area were one of the highest Brexit voters, so would think it would make a good street epistemology - and help our region in general.
Love your work as always.
Great ep. I get the sense that Dax suffers from sharing too much with his audience and raising expectations for himself in their eyes.
Insecure younger man benefits from the experience of a grounded older man. Free counselling session from PB, though I’m not sure he fully got the message.
I felt really sad for Dax watching this. He is obviously extremely anxious about what people think of him. His generation is measuring their social worth based on online "likes" and "dislikes".
I respectfully disagree with you that this is Dax's concern. I believe that Dax is not concerned very much with **whether people like him or what his social worth is**.
I think he genuinely believes he has committed an ethical error, and **he views the opinion of other people as a means of understanding the nature of his behavior**.
What I'm suggesting to you is that he isn't upset because people dislike him, he is upset because the fact that some people dislike him may indicate that he has caused harm to others in a way that he did not intend and would deeply regret.
He just isn't quite sure if that is the case, or if those people are off the mark, and that is the nature of why he is unsure and anxious.
Like Ezri Dax from deep space nine😂😂😂
What about Jadsia or Kurzon😂😂 😂
I probably spelled those names wrong 😔
This was a highlight!
jadzia is best Dax.
He’s setting himself up to pay penance for this for the rest of his life. Living for your audience really screws you up.
It seems that Dax is not used to (is confused about the process of) revising and remaking his moral habits. Many are unwilling or unable to recognize the behaviors they must change to feel better about themselves. Perhaps Dax was trained to think in dualisms and to obey doctrines of a duty ethics that speaks of righteousness and absolution. Peter's advice about learning from experience and the importance of integrity over feelings was spot on.
We often lie because we are scared of losing something. It's helpful to keep that in mind when considering the pros and cons of a lie
I'm a Dax fan, thanks for chatting with him! He's definitely too hard on himself
Big fan of Dax, and a new sub for you, friend. I loved this format!
Now that I am old (68), I try to never say anything I don't think to be true. It has taken me long to build a character I can be proud of. Sadly, I will soon be dead.
Regrets, I have a few. As example, I wish that when I was a kid, I did not follow the herd. I wish I had the courage to befriend the fat kid, or the kid on metal crutches. I regret choosing the path of least resistance because I was weak.
Now, I am a contented contrarian.
Well I think you'll live for another 25 years in a happy body.
May I ask what some of your contrarian views are?
@@realMaverickBuckley I enjoy novels and small quirky films. I am an atheist. I am apolitical on the coming U.S. election. I am a contented loner. Despite my introversion, I greatly enjoy substantive conversation.
Shoot, perhaps I am more tribal than I imagine. Maybe I only wish to identify as a contrarian to feel special.
Dang, perhaps I am merely ordinary.
@ponyboy
Do you believe in love?
@@Joseph-nh6in >"Do you believe in love?"< You might have to flesh that out.
I have regrets about lying through omission but the regret/shame is more about why I felt the need to rather than thinking it did any harm to anyone else. So basically I disappointed myself and was lacking in courage and that threatens my idea of myself as not cowardly.
I suppose an important detail was missed. Dax's case might just be that he was the 16th most subscribed TH-cam channel back in 2007, when he was 15. Although his content had a comedic feel to it, it's become more apparent in recent years that it may have consisted of extravagant lies about his daily life and relationships out of personal insecurity - which is obviously normal teenage behaviour, none the less interesting when applied to a TH-cam celebrity who publishes his diary online. There are many introductory videos on Dax so you get how controversial his character has been, with many people even suggesting it's Kaufmanesque. Very interesting
th-cam.com/video/GYk4ymtQ1WM/w-d-xo.html
There is a hint in my head that Dax or dacks is ausie slang for pants. So Dax flame could be “liar liar pants on fire” subconsciously.
Nice young man now but lacking in confidence.
Great job as always Peter! Been stuck in the emergency room all week but I’m happy I got more of your content to help get me by! Maybe I’ll try to see if I can get some hospital street epistemology going while I’m in here
I feel bad for this guy. Peter, you’re the best for trying to help him
Dax Flame should be studied as a rare natural phenomenon. Unironically.
“…it’s not like you sawed someone’s head off with a rusty butter knife” 😆 that so made me laugh, thank you x
Something tells me this man is ultra woke, you can almost feel his fear of offending other people.
Confirmed, he lacks a back bone
I wouldn't say that. I think he is actually autistic, and he forms his opinions and ideas based on feedback from others.
I think forgiveness is hard wired into me, I'm too lazy to hold a grudge.
Innately I want to forgive, but I find difficulty in forgiving those who have harmed me while showing zero remorse.
What did he do that makes him grovel this hard. Is he going to flog himself as well. What a world we live in where people have made him feel like this.
He looks more soft and broken then a man in a wheelchair.
@@vir00 yep desperate.
It doesn’t matter. If his whole identity is based on what other people think, the true impact isn’t the harm he did, but how people make him think they feel about it and him.
He was focused on other people forgetting, forgiving, moving on, dislikes, etc. like he needs other people’s permission to move on. He’s not a person. He’s a construct. And he crowdsourced his own construction.
Based only on this. Never seen him before.
@@thistles yeah very true. Good reply.
@@thistlesCrowdsourced his own construction is such a good way to put it!
I feel bad seeing Peter get played, because i truly respect the man. On the other hand i love Dax’s comedy and think this was a brilliant way to continue a long running bit he’s had going on his channel.
I had what this guy didn't have. I joined the Army at 17. Infantry. The Army teaches you that you don't have to like what you're doing, but you have to do f-ing DO IT. Toughen the hell up. Tell the truth if you can, obfuscate if you have to. MOVE THE F ON. Do not worry about what people think of you, especially if you know how to be at peace with your decisions.
Holy fuck its Dax lol what a small world.
I'm no spring chicken and it is only in the past few months that I have begun to understand that people lie.
Often _on_ *purpose!*
And by habit.
When some people answer a question they're thinking of what they "should" say instead of actually looking inside their brain and just saying out loud what is true.
You're either trying to recall and convey a memory or consider your own gd opinion. That should not be hard.
Lying is the weirdest thing in the world to me.
Your loved Peter and street epistemology is so valuable! Thank you
I feel dad got really uncomfortable after Peter mentioned the trans thing.
Spectrum Street Therapy seems like it is not for the faint of heart
'' Donate to charities? '' Omg. Is that guy even real? Go out, have fun! The world is not on your shoulders. Live life, understand what you're fighting for. Discover what you wanna live for. He looks like a kid asking for the right answer. It's really sad to see.
One of these people struggles with pandering for acceptance while the other has accepted being true to himself.
Dax is too good for this world. I hope this conversation was a learning experience for him.
also, peter, you should be the last to move to your spot. others seem to watch you then pick a spot. stop leading them. ;-) moe after everyone else has moved.
this is less an issue when you have 3 other people. but I often see people following other people, like the 2 college guys you had a little while back.. one would move, and the other would match them. and you can see them doing it after each statement. the look on their face, the hesitation and then the following as the other person took lead.
oh wow what a surprising crossovers of two of my "internet interests". Watching both on TH-cam but would have never expected to see them together in one video.
Loved Peter’s advice for this guy moving forward. Too bad he didn’t get it. I call these ‘kids’ video game lifers (I’m old) where nothing is real. But some comment(s) on his blog got to him and he was not equipped to handle the reality or consequences of his words. Needing to explain to a 31 yr old that lying is not a good character trait is concerning. Also, his opinion of online friends vs. real friends is very sad. Good job Peter!
What about his opinion on online vs IRL friends is sad to you? I don't view it as sad, I find it quite healthy, actually.
@@MarkHWillsonI did go back and listen to the 3 claims re: friends; online vs. real life and he DID disagree. But he did then say an online friend can be just as good as a real friend. He seems conflicted in prioritizing both so that is what I meant is sad because I think real friends can offer more to us in life. But, obviously he feels bad about what he said to his fans which I think is a good thing. So weird that he just happened upon Peter and got some good advice.
@@Mbws7501 I think I assumed when he is talking about an "online friend", he's referring to a person met online who you hang out with online and get to know and develop an actual relationship with (not parasocial), and that you sometimes meet up with in real life. Which seems perfectly good to me.
Young people do take life and themselves far too seriously. You can’t tell a cheesy joke without them looking at you like you committed a cardinal sin. How do we help them lighten up? 🤔 We live in an amazing age yet they worry about the smallest things. It’s a real shame.
Forgiving yourself is very important. People who don’t tend to give others a hard time and it’s not good for your relationships at all. Hope this guy listens, learns and moves on.
I thought it was a little weird how when Peter said why a lot of people hate him over the kids transitioning Dax felt the need to say I just want people to know I don’t agree with that. Poor guy cares wayyyy too much what people online think of him.
Not to mention the comment he made about kids transitioning was not directed at Peter, he made sure to look right at the camera. it was not authentic and not considered long enough. It was obviously a virtue signal and therefore not sincere and not honest. He cares so much about what online people think of him that he’s willing to lie and I don’t think he’s learned that lesson at all yet. The comments made to the camera make that apparent.
I loved this as a mentoring session, even though that was not the original intention. Dax, it seems to me, probably has high functioning autism. A rather odd cadence to his voice and not great at eye contact + a little obsessive. Stressed about how other people perceive him to be (a tricky one for ASD). Seems bright and sincere. A learning life moment for him.
I love how Peter always does his utmost to listen to and understand what is being said to him and then just says what he thinks; without being an a-hole.
Blessings and good will to Dax--But I'm afeared I would have left the conversation long before Mr. Boghossian did.
This one was like "on the spectrum" (autistic) street epistemology! Poor ol' Dax seems very brittle. I got the impression that he is trying very hard to understand the feelings of others, and the complexities of social engagement as it pertains to his particular scenario of TH-camr vs viewer. But the problem is that he finds it very difficult to empathise or pick up on social cues. So maybe he obsesses over the comments and "likes"/"dislikes" that his videos generate. Anyway, regardless of what I think, 660K subscribers says that he knows more than me about how to be a TH-camr.
Peter was like a battle-hardened veteran of the 21st Century Woke Wars: "Just tell the fkn truth, dude. And let the chips fall where they may!"
I appreciated Dax's manners. Bravo.
Young people nowadays have to have opinions on so many topics that they would rather lie to uphold the status quo. You can feel the shame in some people because they don’t know how to stop.
Forgiveness is not a process of rationalisation about what the offender did. It is about how you will emotionally process and understand the consequences of the offense. 3, 2, 1 move.
DAX NEEDS TO MOVE ON
Ive been subbed to him for over 15 years.
Dax you're thinking way too much about this, it's not a big deal, we make mistakes, and we forgave you straight away my man... But you kept making videos and got caught up in your own negative loop. when everyone was ready for you to get on with it, but you wouldn't let it go.
Now you're stuck, just move on time to change your negative patterns to positive ones...
_"Bless me, Father, for I have sinned!"_
_"WTF?"_
Dax, there is a reason why one of Jordan Peterson's 12 rules is "tell the truth, or at least don't lie."
I don't know who Dax is, but I don't forgive him for lying, because he cannot give even a logical or reasonable explanation as to why he lied, and how it honestly affected him. This was really quite sad to listen to. Dax is looking to purchase forgiveness, not fully appreciating the reality that forgiveness is earned. Quite revealing, sad, and kind of disturbing.
I can’t imagine having my brain so confused and full of convolutions. I could’nt keep up with anything he was trying to say. What a strange way to think being that every waking thought is couched in something else. 😏
Forgiveness is a tricky thing. One might feel you have earned the right to be forgiven. Forgiveness is granted by the offended party. You may expect the person to forgive you. It might be reasonable for them to forgive you but that does not mean they are obligated to.
To see an effort to change is good. But if forgiveness is conditional on the change then it is not possible to forgive because the person may offend again.
In the 12 step process, seeking reparation with those you have offended or hurt is important but it can only be sought when the offended party is ready. And cannot be demanded or coerced because that causes harm again. If the offended person is unable or unwilling to forgive or repair the relationship then you have to accept that and move on.
Also if we want others to forgive us, we need to be willing to forgive others.
No one needs forgiveness. No one deserves anything.
Dax, please read The Courage to be Disliked by Ichiro Kishimi. It will change your life!
Dax is a Legend
Great discussion. I would suggest clearly defining forgiveness so that you both share the same understanding. The medieval example makes me wonder if it’s within your role to forgive what wasn’t done to you. You were just an observer of what one person did to another.
This guy self-flagellates for no reason.
They used to call those “little white lies” when you say them to spare people’s feelings.
Oh Lord - I hope this wasn't a troll - the jury is still out on Dax. What is really going on in his mind - who will ever know? it's pretty clever how he turned the tables though - and tried to turn it into a confessional for Peter...
Social Media “Life” (the comments, replies, likes and dislikes) is so NOT like “Real Life”. The conversation on Social Media do not mimic real life AT ALL. Matters that elicit reactions mostly come from the trolls and simps.
Claim: We should not forgive those who do not show evidence of remorse
Anyone care to share their thoughts on this claim?
Strongly agree
Well, I think you can forgive them in how you feel internally without forgiving them as in removing consequences for what they did.
@@brittybee6615 is forgiveness a choice? Sometimes I have resentments that hold weight I don't want to bear anymore, yet I cannot seem to let them go. I always default back to "well this person didn't amend their wrongs" and the resentment stays.
@@nox2889 It’s definitely a struggle. For me, I guess detach a little and try not to take it personally that the other person is flawed. By flawed, I’m not trying to make it sound like they don’t have a choice in their wrongdoings but I’m not sure how else to put it.
Achieve remorse according to who? You could be truly remorseful, and yet another isn't convinced.
He thinks he can buy forgiveness by donating to charity
Its a humble step if done with the right heart. Hard to know where the path will lead him. Peace, I hope.
@@OHMar711 he’s not doing it humbly though. He’s using it as a shortcut.
Thats sad.
Have a beautiful day!
Ezri Dax is the best Dax. 🖖
Cuter than Jadzia. But Jadzia was better.
Please tell Dax I never heard of him before. And rational ppl understand ppl change their views. Yesterday's version of ourselves is a part of metamorphosis.
"I can see your soul at the edges of your eyes. It's corrosive, like acid."
Hehehehe
When will the episode with destiny come out?
I would say Dax does what I grew up hearing my mom do which is exaggerating a bit. I became really aware of it much later in life because I found I did it as well to some extent so I make a point to be as forth coming as humanely possible. I wouldn’t say I purposely did it but I would say I knew fairly quickly after it came out of my mouth that it was in reality a lie. I also came to realize that sometimes I think I was doing it because I didn’t want to face the truth probably a subconscious preprogrammed method of coping. A good example of that occurring with someone I know is when he says “I don’t normally do that or I usually do that this way.” when in reality he said that last time he did the thing. I’m thinking he’s not purposely lying, I think he believes it is true and it wasn’t until relatively recently that I said something about it and gave many examples. It wasn’t to beat him up about it but rather to bring it to his attention so he’s more aware that he does it on a lot of things.
Dax is obviously upset about it but he’s coming across as easy prey for those who can exploit his drive to be forgiven.
Logically, no. We don't deserve forgiveness. But we have Sola Gratia.
Not going to lie...
This whole conversation made me uncomfortable.
He seems like a nice enough guy, but seems he's been so terminally online that he doesn't know who he is anymore.
I really feel for him & honestly don't think it's anywhere near as big of a fuck up as he thinks it is.
Move on with life.. if people don't accept that, it is what it is mate.
Hope he can sort himself out.
Dax is such a troll that I have no way to take this seriously
Dax was a chad back in his old videos. Now it seems that he just lost it. He can't be authentic and cares too much about his people think which is ironically is driving them away.