Fiat 500 no crank no start... Fault finding and repair.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2022
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Right, this little Fiat 500, came to me straight from auction...
Although it arrived running, this was actually a no crank no start...
How did it came running then? - You might ask?
Apparently, it would start by pushing it...
Anyway... after a bit of digging, got to the culprit!...
Follow me on this video to find out what was the problem and how to resolve it.
Hope you enjoy the video.
Any questions or comments put them below.
Like always, thank you for watching! - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Great video and always a ground on the fiat!! No offense but why the hell you didn't check that first I don't know. Ripping out ultra complex electronics in favour of checking basic stuff first. Not sure what was the point?
Because of what the owner said, I decided to remove anything that was not necessary out of the equation...
If the owner would have said, that the alarm was to stay, then yes, I would have approached it differently...
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@@LMAutoRepairs that's fair I guess!! But if they key all functions correctly I still would've checked first, but I get where you are coming from. I hate aftermarket alarms. After one I ran a mile, so I'm a bit of a coward🤣
@@woodant1981 I agree with you, but i also see Luis’s point. You don’t if that system was working. Perhaps it had a key combo using the remote, which, the car coming from auction, you would never retrieve the code anyway
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You are my hero. My car was doing the exact same thing after 4 days of my hubby battling to figure out what was happening, I watched you video showed it to my hubby, the moment he saw the earth part he walked out to my car and it started in 10min. Just shows how it's the small things that counts. Thank you. You are a star ⭐
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Nice to know it helped....
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Love watching the way you go about fault finding. Really educational. Thanks.
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Man, I want to thank you. I replaced my clutch and everything was done the car had a no-crank issue. I went through the jumper cable procedure to check the ground and as it turned out it was the ground cable , Your video helped immensely to find the issue
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That's great!
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Exactly what happened to my car. Changed the clutch and after had it didn't want to start. My hubby battled 4 days until I came across this video. He is an absolute star
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Hey Luis! Always pleased to watch you take time troubleshoot, diagnose, and share your technical knowledge and skills in repairing car problems mostly induced by shocking so called car mechanics. Always very much appreciate your time spent on making this valuable video.
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Wow, didnt know you could go ground to ground and get a crank, nice work Luis, keep on teaching me! And the unbelievable after market crap you had to undo was also a great job! Right on Luis!!!
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I never get bored of watching you fix this stuff. On an unrelated note my wife has a Ford KA and I love driving it. Only 60 odd bhp but it’s like a little go kart 😎👌🏻
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@@LMAutoRepairs also, I see there are some negative comments. Please ignore them, I don’t seem them taking the time to share TH-cam videos of them fixing stuff. Flipping keyboard warriors. 🙈
Already replied to those...
I thought I made it clear that the aftermarket alarm was to be removed regardless... reason why that was the first thing I went for... otherwise would have done it differently...
Anyway, thanks!
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That's a known achilles heal on these cars love 500 has high lighted many times. You solved the problem well done.
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Fantastic! Wish I knew this 2 weeks ago, how you tested the starter with the jump leads, im not a mechanic but know a little bit. Bought a non starter car from the auction. Ended up putting 2 used starters in it. Turns out it was a bad earth! Great video as usual, top class diagnostics, keep them coming.
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Smashed it, you are really good at fault finding, keep it coming
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Used to be the exact same issue on mk2 puntos also the main feed from alternator to starter to battery used to fail and cause high resistance, like you the first thing I do when I find a no start is look to aftermarket addons whether fitted professionally or bodged they cause problems eventually,ive even had an issue with black box causing an issue because the professional fitter twisted the wires into the loom,well done, nice old fashioned thinking
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Good work..Luis from Bologna ...your videos teach me ....thank you
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This reminds me of Clifford alarm system I installed on my car some 40 years ago. No remote control yet at that time, instead you need to push a sequence of numbers on a keypad within seconds. Never had problem with it.
It is satisfying when i remove those aftermarket alarm systems
Thank you lois
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It's called clutch starting. Great diagnosis as always.
I've heard many different names for it... 😋
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brilliant video always enjoy watching your videos
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As far as I'm concerned you did it methodically.you removed all aftermarket gizmos that could cause a situation like this.also with the customers request Clifford was removed.and yet again you were working on a car that had been elsewhere.so you are hoping in some way that they had already done the basic tests.and with it being an auction car ,no one knows the history of what's been done.in the end you got the car to start !
I would call that a fix .
So hats off to you.yet again a very informative video.
Keep up the fantastic work.!
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It wasn't done methodically at all should of started at the basics too much work for too much time instead of starting at the beginning........poor diag poor knowledge poor workmanship....
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Loved your comment...
You must be very professional, just wonder why you need to come on TH-cam looking for videos on how to fix cars...
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At least, you surely learned something...
Great video.. if ever I get this problem on a fiat 500 I know what to check first ...
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That Clifford stuff reminds me of the weird systems Eastern European main dealers botched into brand new cars in the early noughties (car thefts were at an absolute peak and most people financed their cars using loans). My personal favourite was the thing where you had to touch a keyfob against a sort of magnetic receiver drilled into the dash - if you failed to do so within 10 secs of getting into the car, the horn would beep and the car would not start. And this thing was fitted to a Yaris with the big fat SECURITY light blinking into your face telling you you in fact had an OEM immobiliser in place.
I seen those installed here in the UK...
Actually, my transit came with that installed...
You can still find them for sale on Amazon and alike....
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@@LMAutoRepairs Quackery will always find its niche 😉 Keep rocking!
Used to install clifford alarms in the 90s was popular with owners of hot hatches , that button switch was a valet switch for programming and override, from what I could see it wasn't installed very neatly. I bet they did put a differant starter on it though
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Always get rid of those aftermarket alarms. Nice video Luis. Pretty standard for you but it might help someone from changing an alternator.
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Thanks Luis,, great work,, keep it up. 💪
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Good job Luis 👍 I wish that you live in Uppingham Rutland I'm having trouble with my Renault Laguna diesel engine turns but not start enough with my waffle good job Luis🇵🇹🇵🇹
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I bought a car from auction new starter motor messed around for hours yesterday with no luck hoping when i look again at my car its this. Thanks for the video
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@@LMAutoRepairs I hope it’s something as simple as that because the auction said the car was running just needs clutch/gearbox so panic hit me its first auction car ive bought and seems like i messed up😅.
Auction cars are a gamble...
Hopefully will be nothing complicated...
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@@LMAutoRepairs I hope not i will update once i get it started for future reference for you and others. I was annoyed with the company because it was described as “starts” so to find out immobilisers on,no crank i was very frustrated and concerned because i have no gears/clutch so it wont bump start to confirm the engine is okay. I am pretty sure from memory im missing that earth wire on my ford ka
@@LMAutoRepairs I had success. That wire was missing started the car yesterday thank you for the video.
Question I have a mini Cooper 2005, door lock spindle broken so you can turn the key 360, Remote doesn’t work, Is there a way to wake up the car so I can go through the window and hit the power window to get in
Good Fault Finding LM Autos ...
Watch out for the Autowatch Ghost Can-bus immobiliser ....Just had problems with one on a AUDI Q7 ...(aftermarket headache)...
Haven't yet have to deal with those ghost ones... but I can imagine the nightmare...
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had a local garage call me with a fiat doblo similar problem they put new starter slightly improved the problem i took starter off and cleaned all mounting points all connections including battery with starter off i used jump leads to operate starter on the floor to check if good and took off earth strap and cleaned all with soft brass wire brush on a grinder every connection bright and shiny put all back together started like a new one gave all a spray with wd40 surprise what a very little corrosion can do ps good afternoon luis
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FIAT and ALFA are renowned for earth issues..but if you don't know about it ,then it can be a pain
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So. Good work
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Interesting video
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No crank no start, issue with key stuck and gear shifter stuck in park. Any ideas?
I did everything you have done but mine does not have a problem with the ground. The brown cable does not have continuity. So to test it, I ran a cable straight from ignition, I put it into brown cable slot, to the starter where I tied up tight to the that little plate, I put everything together as normal and I turned the key, it is starting without problems, so in my opinion is the brow cable but I heard others saying that it might be a relay because the brow cable is not straight from ignition to starter. Is that right? What do you think it can be?
I don't remember from the top of my head how this one wors... but, yes, usually the starter motor is activated via a relay...
See if you find diagrams and check it...
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@@LMAutoRepairs thank you for the quick reply
I will check it to see if not I will have to ask an electrician to see it :)
I replaced the starter with another and when I try to start it nothing happens but it draws from the battery.
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Does the Fiat 500 already have an alarm immobiliser system already fitted from manufacture? I would assume it does, and if it does I see little point in fitting an after market system on it anyway..
Yes... it does have an factory fitted immobiliser...
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I work on Fiats for years. Grounds were always a problem. In every Fiat from late 90's to this day they use this kind of ground cable that fails from time to time.
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Ducatos are notorious
I have the same problem with a 2009 fiesta?
Yes..Alfa Romeo Mito has same wire harness at the starter motor.
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I guess it could not be the immobilizer when the car starts when to push start it or does the cheap one work that way?
The aftermarket one as you have seen, only cut the terminal for the starter motor... so although that was not the issue, if it was, the would start by push start...
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i replace transmission for fiat 500 l and car not start up what is the problem please advised me
Manual transmission?
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I can get the starter to crank but no start. The only thing that isn't connected is the seat. The throttle dropped to the floor. Thinking it was the switch on the shifter I tried to bypass it.
Could you get your car fixed? There are some videos about oil pressure bleed value on the internet. I had the same problem and realized that the pcv valuve has gone bad.
@@pbbimsara ummm ... It was the "safety system" that locked the system. A dealer has to reset the ignition so it can be stolen. Or something.. lazy thieves won't push the car way ...
I have exact same problem with fiat doblo...The main ground cable is bean snap...
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@@LMAutoRepairs I like watch your videos..
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Good to get rid of that nasty braided earth type connection and put the insulated round type earth strap in Luis. for me the 90s was the era of aftermarket alarms abound and cause of endless non starts and break downs, cant imagine why some has bothered to fit one of these nowadays to a modern car and best to get that crap off anyway.
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Best place for clifford is the bin
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It's called a "bump start" for future reference 😉
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bump start push start roll start same horse different jocky
Jack May, I was generally going for what the majority call it, based on 30 years of being a mechanic. Obviously each to their own!
@@grayzly been in the car trade since mid 1970 s i listed what i have heard it common called there are shed loads not so common that when said to me had to check what they ment no probs have a nice day
Got caught out many years ago with one of those braided earth leads never happened since.
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I don’t think some of these comments are fair. Louis was told to remove the alarm regardless of the fault. Chances are it was possibly linked but it wasn’t. His approach would have been totally different if there was no alarm.
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Hi Luis, nice job as always but I must tell u that u forgot the basics for this fix and u should check voltage and ground before blaming the alarm system also u should check immobiliser system with scan tool also before blaming this external alarm system. I mean what if the owner need this alarm? I think u will have more work more time to fit this alarm again. All we do mistakes like that sometimes brother Luis but this mistakes refresh our minds, our capacities, our basics and rules. Good luck brother and thanks for all. Thanks from Khalid ur Algerian follower :-)
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The aftermarket alarm was due to be removed pretty much regardless...
So, I just went for that first...
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Just my words Khaki. I was wondering why going this way around, spending time.
I think you messed some parts of the video the owner told him to get ride of the alarm/immo remotes. In addition the car was brought to him straight away from auction. Those remote are not important since the car original key fob works.
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People sometimes skip the video to just check the repair, and then make comments that have been literally answered in the video...
As I already said on other comments, I was requested to remove the aftermarket system, that would also rule that out as being the problem...
If I was requested to leave the aftermarket system installed, I would have approached this differently...
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I was car, no ground, but working and smell. Mass was gas cable, and burn plastic. Unbeliveble.
And yes another commenter said oh but Clifford's alarms are the best but then why didn't it go off to tell you there's a problem with the system it's stupid 3rd party alarms from what I've seen on videos like this never work reliable
did you fit the Clifford alarm back in after you removed it for no reason?
they are the best car alarms in the world, though that looked badly fitted 🤦♂️
No... I did not...
Owner was happier without it... one less thing to go wrong I guess...
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Quantos vezes doutor luis ja falo que nao se monta lixo de mercado 🤷♂️manter fios de carro orignal .opah pessoas nao aprende nem...bom domingo doutor luis
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I bet the chap who had the alarm installed left the keys by the front door as well
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My friend find an exotic car to fix. Maybe a Ferrari or Lamborghini even an old one. With your knowledge that wouldn't be difficult. Maybe even advertise for it.
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Aftermarket junk strike's again
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Maybe is good enough that Italian to mount USB cable instead...
I don’t understand if you going to check the alternator how in earth you did not check your negative system,it’s was very bad job
Before you check at your starter motor how is your connection going on your start to open everything
Any how you should know any time you working any part of car you have to check at end first if you missing anything at end you start to come to beginning of system
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It is now easy to put it like that... After seeing the problem and repair...
It can be overwhelming when you face a problem with so many variables, and with no background whatsoever...
And yes, I learned for the next time, as I do with all the repairs I do...
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The owner was lucky it was a manual otherwise it would cost a fortune to tow it there
First, check ground from batterie to engine 😉
Alternator light on, i said main earth,,, BAD
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help my Fiat is in limp mode
No one will help with so little info...
A limp mode condition can be caused by several different things...
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Isn't there a proper procedure to diagnose a car ? I have the feeling that everybody is going in gung ho with their scantools. Like physical inspection, petrol, spark, timing, power and grounds ? I know, it is easy in hind side. Poor clifford had nothing to do with it and customer complaints should be taken with grain of salt.
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There is always a procedure...
But sometimes you need to adapt to what you have in front of you...
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Been working on cars for 20 years…
Using a scanner is incredibly fast and you find a ton of info out with little invasion to the rest of the car and no disassembly required. So yes, its good to go gung ho into that first. You are correct, there is a diagnostic process regardless of anything, but its a quick way to gather huge clues to the problem. If no codes, ok, then do basics, spark, fuel, compression, etc
@@mikesabin8568 I agree. Maybe first thing to do is check engine ground ? Or just put a cable from engine to battery negative before scan ? Bad ground can quicly lead you onto the wrong path or give you huge wrong clues. Just saying. :-)
Would have been a boring video if you went straight for that and no story to tell 😉😁
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poor show here, missing out the basics of troubleshooting, need to up your game, ps anyone watching dont follow this as diagnostic route to take
Depends on the point of view...
Already answered why I have approached it the way I did, and thought was clear on the video...
Problem got fixed, aftermarket crap removed as per owner request... not sure what I have really missed...
But if my mistakes helps others to avoid them, so that still a win for me and the video...
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You are not very good at fault finding as you thought it was the Clifford car alarm that's not working you ripped it out oh and have you seen how much that car alarm system was??????? Then it still didn't start hahahaha you should have used your scan tool to check for codes tut tut tut??? School boy error? Doesn't matter anyway I won't be letting you touch my car as my 6 year old girl could have done better your carp
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The alarm system was to be removed regardless...
I thought that was clear in the video...
If I was requested to leave the alarm in place, then I would have approached this differently...
By removing it first, also ruled out the alar as being the problem...
Was no shool boy error here... was done deliberately...
What the video again without skipping and you will might understand...
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From my opinion, we need chang this wire every 5-8 years…
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