Syphro because if he aborts it, there is still gunna be an alternate version of him that won’t abort it, and ultimately he changes nothing. His only chance of doing something that actually matters was if he blew up earth prime which would then collapse all the other earths.
@@austinwalker2000 no, cause if you take that there is a Universe where he succeed, then he would have destroy the primary Universe and end all others Universes, so actually there is no Universe where he made it. Although, there are Universes where he is still alive so, yeah, it doesn't matter.
I've liked Johnny Quick's death ever since the first time I saw the movie. He wasn't mad, sad, or felt betrayed but he was rather amused and impressed and he didn't care about it.
He was also one of the bad guys. And he got dooped into risking his life. And it was already too late. It was almost like him saying it like owlman, "it doesn't matter." But in his own way.
They'll be slurping crushed foods and liquids through a straw in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives (which is honestly worse than death), but he doesn't actually kill them.
What;s crazy is that he has the opportunity to abort. It shows ABORT on the screen. However if he doesn't press the button, then to his multiverse theory, another version of him does press the button. It doesn't matter.
Tbh, the Dracula one and the Johnny Quick one are the only ones that can actually count. And even their deaths are pushing the boundary of whether they are murder or not
@@DamienDarksideBlog undead is not alive. Mental function alone does not qualify as something living. Otherwise, super computers would have the same standard of life as a human with no pulse.
@@ShortPuff yeah his choices caused deaths, won't argue that one, but saying Batman killed them normally associates with Batman was the one who directly took their lives, be it intentionally or unintentionally, it isn't a choice that inadvertently caused a death, but batmans direct actions that took a life
The Owlman one is pretty great, as Batman left him the device at the end so he could've escaped. Owlman was so committed to his nihilistic ways that he did the only thing that mattered: he made no choice
nihilism is the curse of a person smart enough to realize life has no meaning, it’s just a never ending cycle of life and death with decay as the force to wipe the slate clean. But that person is to stupid to realize that they got them selves all worked up over something they wouldn’t listen to even if it did exist. Most people don’t fallow there parents, friends, society’s meaning for life. What would change if your life came with a meaning? Your the author of your life and entropy/decay has given you a clean stack of paper, stop worrying about what color the pencil is and write something.
Which means you could argue that Batman didn't kill him. He put him into a situation where he could save himself, and he chose not to. (It's not even a Jigsaw situation where he had to do something awful to save himself, all he had to do was take a few steps and push a button).
yeah but he was in a empty cold planet, even without the extrem-nihlism of owlman, letting the bomb detonate for a quick and (probably) painless death is way better than shutting it down and dying of starvation alone
@@Chickenman_or_batman ya but it's a choice meaning either way it doesn't matter as it's a choice so for other ppl who played the game and choose to save ras ah gaul this would've been 4ppl batman killed instead of 5
The author of it came to the comic store that I shop at and was giving autographs and requested drawings of anything. And I requested him to do a drawing of Iron Man when he snapped, and to top it all off, the The Batman That Laughs were all 25 cents.
Technically Owlman chose to die since he lost to Batman; he could've aborted the bomb detonation right there, the Dark Knight left him with a chance to save himself but he didn't take it.
Uhh no Batman teleported Owlman and the bomb to a different planet and if Owlman didn't save himself then technically he did killed him because the bomb set off the same bomb that Batman teleported.
@@devinkleinsmith5026if you claim that "having the ability to save someone but not doing it is equivalent to murder" then "having the ability to save yourself but not doing it" is suicide.
@@devinkleinsmith5026 If the bomb went off it was going to kill owl man anyway and Batman couldn't stop it and owl man could so owl man could have easily saved himself
I'm definitely a little skeptical about Owlman. Batman gave him rather easy means to escape death after warping away from Earth Prime. Owlman just chose not to take it.
Whatever choice he made he'd have made all possible choices. Action or inaction, it literally didn't matter, especially on a mission that was a spiteful murder-suicide from the start. It was definitely a suicide to the end.
For the Ra's Al Ghul scenario, Batman talks about that in Batman Rises. He says " I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." That's exactly what happened there. He didn't kill him, he just didn't save him
@@bat6353 thats quite literally how it works irl, legally, if you choose not to save someone, and its proven you could have easily saved them, you will be charged with murder, theres a precedent for it.
1. He let Ra's die of natural causes 2. Dracula is litterally a reanimated corpse (the man he once was is already dead) 3. Owl Man held his fate in his own hands...he could have done something to save himself 4. Yep...he killed him lol
I kinda count Arkham City's Clayface's Death as a Batman Kill cause of the fact he started a chain reaction leading to Clayface's fall into the pit. But then again maybe Clayface survived somehow.
JR The 2nd 1 he had the chance to save him but he dint if you can save somebody but you don’t it counts as killing 2 once at the sun Dracula will never come back 3 what was the point of stopping the bomb he would be stuck there forever with no escape and die of starvation so he made it less painful
Johnny Quick practically sacrificed his life to save the entire multiverse... And even if he was aged into a old man and he just showed his enemy respect... I don't know why but, even though Johnny Quick is usually a villain, he died saving lives as a hero. I can't help but feel amazed that a member of the crime syndicate made that sacrifice.
sparkyk24 I think that’s just joker trying to mess with Batman’s sanity, like what he’s been doing the whole series, but now he’s in his head and making him question every decision he’s made.
@@ericjrthered4365 I think it is something like Batman blames himself even when it was totally not his fault at all and that's why the Joker in his head says that Batman killed him
Hey don’t forget that one guy Batman killed in Batman Returns when he threw the dynamite on him and pushed him into a sewer. The dynamite explodes right after he falls and the explosion is huge he 100% died, and Batman walks away without a care xD
I was going to mention this instance, but checked the comments first and am happy to be beaten on this one - there's next to no chance that Batman didn't commit this action with any reasonable expectation other than "this is going to explode and kill this henchman in a moment" - and he was happy about it!
"Unless it's a Snyder move, but i don't count those..." But you will count player choice in a video game and ghost possession. You don't even touch on his comic kill count.
SpikeStarkey he’s saying that because if he counted the Synder movies he would count almost every death not only that but Batman kills on a daily bases on those which is why Needlemouse sees the Synder movies as trash
@@joelfigueredo957 Lol. Same stupid thought. Michael keaton killed much more than batfleck did. And keaton enjoyed it unless affleck who is broken, war hardened and has started to question his morals after all the crap he has gone through for 20 years. And daily basis? We only saw one film.
@@mrinalkantimandal150 Well Michael Keaton's Batman wasn't Punisher like, him branding people and blowing up people. I don't think even Tim Burton's Batman would murder Superman like Batfleck will.
You know Batman was the first costume vigilante that actually killed some one.. It was only in the silver age that he stopped killing folks out of hand.
@@ryder98307 He died as a direct result of Batman telling him to do something, that Batman knew fully well would kill him, without telling him that it would. That's unarguably murder. He didn't die of NATURAL old age. To say that's not murder would be like saying shooting someone isn't murder; they just died from a bullet wound.
Pedro Régis All right think of it this way. Say I’m trapped somewhere. I tell you to go push a button that will let me out. You push the button. What I didn’t tell you is that if you push the button, you instantly died. So now you’re dead because I didn’t tell you what else the button dead. That sounds like murder through manipulation.
I think it was more of a choice: Johnny Quick or the Flash had to do it to save the multiverse (and die trying). He protected his friend at the expense of his enemy. Ruthless, but not murder.
9:47 The way he just says it doesn't matter then smiles before he died really shows how insane he is and how much he doesn't care about himself since there are a million earths and probably in one he does save himself so he just decides to die cause "it doesn't matter"
Number 3 shouldn't count... just because Batman has a physical body doesn't mean it's his fault that someone else pulled the trigger, also number 2 doesn't count as Owlman had the choice of defusing the bomb, it was right there, ready to click. It wasn't Batman's fault that someone didn't choose to save themselves.
You could argue that batman still send him in a Frozen planet, earlier stated that any humans in it's surface would eventually die, next to a soon to be detonated World Bomb.
VixXstazosJOB but he also gave him the controller thing to get back. He just throws it at owlman before he gets teleported. Owlman didn't do jack to save himself. That was owlmans fault not batmans.
Batman sent Owlman to the frozen planet knowing the bomb was going to go off and not knowing there was an abort button if that was the case he wouldve pressed it.
I think the Joker’s death in Arkham City was the most impactful. Not just because it was the Joker’s fault and he still got the last laugh if you count Arkham Knight, but because Batman did think it through and give a good point to Joker’s madness, “Every decision you’ve ever made ends with death and misery, people die, I stop you, and you just break out and do it again. “ Plus Batman still has a great line to boot that one “Even after everything you’ve done, I would have saved you.” RIP Kevin Conroy, the true Batman
Canon as no sense in term of DC or MArvel universe. There is so much different platform and so many regular reboot, or Spinoff taht you can really call about a full canon.
well theres cinematic universe canon and lore that goes with it that is Official, and there is the current comic storyline canon that is separate, but often do influence each other
Actually the reason Ra's says he is proud of batman is not because he has put him out of his misery. It's because he has finally gotten batman to learn to do what's necessary to achieve his goals. Even if it means letting someone die on purpose
To be honest he could have done this video with versions of the comics and that would have been fine, maybe he wanted to do it only on TV shows so yeah, for me is still a pretty good video
I mean in my opinion, most of his videos go like this, and he does definitely ignore alot of things, for example saying Dracula is 'alive', when in every canon of him he is either a pseudo zombie or a supernatrual monster of some kind that is undead.
Sugar Ray yeah but Tim burton knows batman like how people who watch stranger things know the 80s. In other words, tim burton hasn’t read a Batman comic in his life
He didn't kill Ra's, he kept him from resurrecting. He didn't kill Dracula if vampires can be brought back from their ashes. He didn't kill Devil Ray, Deadman did. He didn't kill Owlman, Owlman built the bomb and it was going to kill him anyway. Also Owlman could have deactivated it if he had cared. He basically killed Johnny Quick though. Damn.
I just disagree with the Johnny Quick death. Batman pretty much outsmarted and withheld info to him so he'd age. Batman didn't purposely make it so he'd age, it just happens that's how mafia works. You can just say he died of old age due to being fooled by a Cicero minded jester *skyrim reference wink wink*
Moon Door dude i was very big fan of batman when i was 4 years old but he is not the best he is popular because his shitty shit and he was the first superhero ever
Eh, he chose to let his mom/aunt die if it meant savIng thousands more. Letting an old woman - at peace with her death - her son by her side, die of a disease and letting the cure save thousands and possibly avert the apocalypse is possibly different. That’s why they deliberately shadowed Peter’s face when he tried to force himself to inject may with the cure: it was his darkest instinct. He would be killing thousands, possibly millions, to let one person live. Him being obscured in darkness shows it’s the selfish, dark decision, and we only see peters face again when he decides he can’t do it and see him sobbing violently.
I watched this, thought Owl Man's "It doesn't matter" line was badass and a great concept for a villian, then i go into the comments and many people were thinking the same. damn that is such a good line
All of them are Batman's fault expect for the Deadman thing. Also I would like to have a moment of silence for all the innocent Parademons Batman and the League have murdered without remorse.
okay good Im not the only one whos thought about this, and what about the Alien Sperm things from the first few episodes from the original Justice League cartoon.
:If he doesn’t physically kill but mentally he killed that person :If he does physically kill but not mentally he kills that person Lose lose for Batman
Sorry, going to have to call out a logical inconsistency here: If Batman is said to have killed Ras Al Ghul because he could have easily saved him, but chose not to, then by that same line of logic, Owlman killed himself, because he could have easily saved himself, but chose not to. So take your pick, one of those can't be counted.
Alfred: Batman where is Master Grayson? Batman: He's over there on the floor. Alfred: Master Grayson is dead! Batman: No he's not. I hit him in the head so he would lose his memory of learning who I am. Alfred: How many times did you hit him in the head? Batman:... 125 times... Alfred: Batman! That kills people!
its interesting to note that owlman even points out he could've aborted the bomb but chose not to, stating "it doesnt matter", so technically owlman let himself die instead of batman killing him
I like the distinction with Owlman There's a big difference between leaving someone behind to perish in their failed plot, and tying that person to it then bail
11:03 made me cry from laughter.i dont know why but just the prospect of a dying aussie just telling the best detective on the planet that he pulled a good one on him is hillarious
5) non canon as there's two choices. So one is real while the other is false but neither is confirmed. 4) movie version is non canon. 3) Deadman used his body, Batman wasn't there. 2) Owlman kept the clock on, Bats allowed him to do suicide. 1) Batman didn't willingly do this. He knew he'd age until in elder age but not to death (comic showed he didn't know it would be to death, but until in extreme physical pain in old age)
+Anton Duroj Bidstrup Look up for my comment at "Batman! You're All Right! Batgirl! Yes! I Am Absolutely Calm!". You'll find responses there who claim he did.
I mean the last kill was also logical. Either save the Flash (a hero who saved countless lives and will continue to do so even if it means to sacrifice himself) or save Johnny Quick (a villain who has very likely killed many innocent and/or good people, and has helped in restricting freedom of an Earth's population, and has committed other crimes as well). Obviously save the Flash. However Batman gave Johnny an opportunity to redeem himself and sacrifice his life to save all the life in all multiverses.
Holy shit!! Ive watched crisis a few times and this is the first time ive realized that Owlman could have hit abort and was all..."IT DOESNT MATTER"!! WoW...metal af
Owlman was given the chance to save himself by aborting the bomb's destruction but he didn't that one seems more like suicide than murder. Ra's Al Ghul, like the person said you could have saved him. It was up to the player not Batman the character. Dracula is supernatural and was undead and was never truly human. Plus you can't imprison him so what do you do? Johnny Quick made a choice to do it and plus he could have told them but that would only waste time. It was more like sacrifice than murder.
It doesn't matter if hes not truly human. Superman isnt human, he wasnt even born on earth and Batman refuses to kill him because he believes that killing intelligent beings is wrong.
*"I'm the Batman", not "And the Batman." What's weird is that when Dracula and Bruce first meet, with the way Dracula is talking about Batman to Bruce, you'd think he knows Bruce is Batman already and is teasing him about it, but no, he doesn't figure it out until the end when Batman breaks out Bruce's technology on him. So like... what the heck? Maybe leftovers from an earlier draft?
@@memedealermikey he says that if you have a cure to save a man's life and you don't give it to him, that's killing that man. What Ras needs is Lazarus pit "water" to cheat death and never die. He should've died hundreds of years ago.
Senior Bandido technically his life kinda resets as if he never was close to death at all. So by that logic if Batman were to stab him in the face and cut him into pieces he didn’t kill him. I disagree
@@memedealermikey Except the difference is that by stabbing him in the face and cutting him into pieces, Batman would actually be doing something to directly cause Ra’s death, whereas by not giving Ra’s the cure to resurrect him, Batman is just simply not doing anything to either cause nor prevent his death, making it more like the situation in the movie Batman Begins where Batman says to Ra’s “I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”.
About owl man he thinks that any choice he makes does not matter because he would have had made the opposite one of that in another dimension. IT DOESN"T MATTER.
No he does not... Ok, maybe a little tiny bit. But hey, Batman is still the best. Batman is just... Batman. He's just Batman, and that's what makes his the best
@@angelic_bloodbath true. but I will say that if used well owlman has the potential to be the best batman villain. Basically a nihilistic version of batman... with more dangerous tech on account of not having his one rule. The only reason he loses is because of his nihilism; he doesnt have the same drive to win that batman does.
Yeah. Its too bad owlman isnt featured in more stuff. That would make for a great movie dynamic. But they're coming out with that Gemini man with will smith which is basically the same idea, just not batman.
When Ra's said he was Proud of Batman, I don't think he meant that it was the right decision to let him die, but something that he always wanted from Batman was to kill. And in his eyes as well, that was batman killing him. So he finally did it
deadplanetdalek1963 No, it doesn't. They THINK he was the one that ultimately pulled he plug on Joker's life, but that's just an assumption. We as the viewers saw what really happened so we know it wasn't murder
Eliza Robinson I agree we know Batman isn't the murderer but from the police point of view Batman did kill the Joker. It's not like there were many witnesses to testify otherwise since most of the people in that tunnel were dead or running for their lives
In the “Detective” issue with Dr. Hugo Strange and his giant men first appearances, Batman kills at least two of them: One by shooting, the other by hanging.
The main difference is that Zack Snyder went out of his way to insult the fanbase and tell them they’re “living in a f***ing dream world” for thinking that Batman doesn’t kill. He fundamentally doesn’t understand Batman and has expressed open disdain for those who rightly criticized his warped viewpoint.
Batman did kill when he first appeared. It was a throwback to that. He didn’t kill too many, though, and none of the deaths were violent, so there’s that. Ben Affleck remains my top live-action version, with Kevin Conroy being my all-time favorite.
I say bs to 2 cuz he didn’t technically killed cuz he left the “Abort” option on for him.It was the owl man’s choice who decide if he should die or not.
Except batman sent him to a planet where he dies no matter what. If owlman stops the bomb he's left on an empty icy planet where he'll die of starvation.
@@bulavinaka819 Batman left the teleportation device that Owlman had used to send the bomb to Earth Prime with Owlman. Owlman could have easily clicked the abort button and teleport to another Earth, but he chose to die. Owlman's death was his own fault and not Batman's.
Not really. Dracula was born due to magic, he has both the physical and mystical powers of a vampire. Meanwhile, people bit and infected by him are afflicted by a pathological agent within his body, gaining only his physical abilities and losing their minds on the process. TL;DR Two different kinds of vampires.
Batman didn’t kill Owlman, he just sent him to other earth. He even leave the screen of the computer with the option to abort the detonation. And not only that, Batman let Owlman with the teleporter gun so he can escape from that world too before it’s too late. But at the end Owlman say “It doesn’t matter” and died by his own choice. So basically Batman gave Owlman two ways to escape and survive, and he didn’t use any of those. He died y his own will. .
Nope, because Batman killed him because he made Owlman stuck to the bomb when he threw the rope and then he threw the device so that the device teleports the bomb and Owlman to a chosen location to save the world.
5. Ra's Al Ghul - Not counting it because it's up to the player what Batman does. You can choose not to let him die, (also he's not killing him he's just letting a man far past his due date die of natural causes). 4. Dracula - I mean, technically he did kill him but Dracula is kind of already dead so... Between that and the fact that he got resurrected I don't know if I would personally count it but I guess technically it was a kill. 3. Devil Ray - That wasn't Batman at all. You said it yourself. It was a ghost possesing him and even then the intention wasn't homicidal. 2. Owlman - Batman gave him the option to save himself. I'd say it was more suicide than murder. 1. Johnny Quick - Ok yeah, he didn't really have a choice but he killed him. Even if most of these weren't really kills, good job putting this together.
5) That only depends on the player's choice. The ending in which Batman does not kill Ra's Al Ghul is just as canon as the one in which he destroys his means to survive. At least, that is the case, so far (until a later Arkham game tells us which ending is canon). 4) This one does count, even if it is not canon (and based on an incredibly bad series). 3) It is not Batman killing that enemy - it is Deadman. Plain and simple. 2) I must admit I did not see that movie, but it seems to me Owlman was "only marooned forever in a deserted world of his own - not put to death". In your video, it seems that Batman did nothing to ensure Owlman's death : all Owlman had to do was click on a button to save his own life, but he chose not to. Also, since it was Owlman's bomb, he clearly knew how to disarm it (and he had enough time to do so. It wasn't Batman killing Owlman. It was Owlman's nihilistic tendencies that led him to chose not to survive. 1) I agree with this one. "0)" About the Arkham joker, are you f*cking kidding us ????? It is Batman's mind losing it - mixed with his memories of the Joker's unreliability as a narrator. It's right in front of your eyes : the Joker's mad memory is blaming Batman for "destroy[ing] [his] cure, right in front of [him]." Batman did not destroy the cure - it was Joker's doing. Actually, Joker's madness and memory is just messing up Batman's own memories and perception of reality ... and, ironically, you are the one who fell for it, by believing him.
Joker killed himself! By attacking Batman! Batman said right there he was going to save him, you're gonna trust THE JOKER's words that Batman killed him?! P.S. Owlman could have saved himself and be stranded on that planet, but he chose to die instead, not exactly Batman killing him is it?
The Joker in Arkham Knight is just a hallucination from Batman's mind. Anything that the Joker says, comes directly from Batman's mind. So yes, Joker did attack Batman but Batman wasn't going to save him.
not quite, directly from his mind yes, but that doesn't mean he was going to, don't forget that his brain was fucked up because of the joker venom so his thoughts were corrupted
12:35 I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion. Do you know what murder is? Murder requires intent. If someone is literally controlling your body you have no intentions nor are you physically responsible for it. What makes your body YOUR body? The fact that your mind and soul are in it, if someone is controlling you then they are using your body figuritively, but it has physically become their body as they are the ones controlling it, all actions are 100% their fault. That's like saying if I push you into someone else and then you hit them and they fall off a cliff it's your fault cause your body touched them last, ridiculous.
Owlman killed himself. Batman left the option to abort the detonation to Owlman but he didn't take it. If you have cancer and someone offers you a cure but you don't take it, it's not the fault of the person who wanted to give you the cure, but your own fault when you die from it.
He kills his foes in *“Batman”* (1989), *“Batman Returns”* (1992), *“Batman Forever”* (1995), *“Batman Begins”* (2005), *“The Dark Knight”* (2008), *“Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice”* (2016), ect. He also killed in issue #1 of *“Batman”* (1940). He killed a bunch in *“Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder”* (2005), ect. The character doesn’t have a single definitive continuity and each different version is exactly that; a different version. He can behave differently in each different take because in each different take the circumstances in his life are different as is his mental state.
When it said “abort” and owlman said “It doesn’t matter” that was so metal
Man, you think that was metal? You should’ve seen Batman’s one liner when he sent Owlman on his way!
Syphro because if he aborts it, there is still gunna be an alternate version of him that won’t abort it, and ultimately he changes nothing. His only chance of doing something that actually matters was if he blew up earth prime which would then collapse all the other earths.
In Germany "das Abort" means a Toillet.
I'm 14 and this is deep.
I'm Owlman
I love how Owl Mans last words were just
*”It doesn’t matter”*
He just doesn’t care at all
Peak nihilism.
@@leftovergaming9529 he is correct though
@@austinwalker2000 no, cause if you take that there is a Universe where he succeed, then he would have destroy the primary Universe and end all others Universes, so actually there is no Universe where he made it.
Although, there are Universes where he is still alive so, yeah, it doesn't matter.
he didn't even try to stop the bomb
@@Thejigholeman because the abort button was fake, it explained in the comic
I've liked Johnny Quick's death ever since the first time I saw the movie. He wasn't mad, sad, or felt betrayed but he was rather amused and impressed and he didn't care about it.
Kind of reminds me of Ra's. Mild praise will likely haunt him forever
His response was basically "Yeah I totes would have done it anyway, even if I'd known."
Batman: If you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world stays the same.
Red Hood: Kill two.
Batman: listen here you little sh*t
Genius 🤯
No, kill all of them
@@Thesnowyman and then commit gun
@@waynedeacon2736commit lego step
To be fair Owlman could have pressed abort. Batman gave him the option to save himself.
"It doesn't matter."
He would have starve to death
@@susanreilly7565 dude hes the equivalent to batman he would've thought of something
@@polox6571 like blowing himself up?
@@polox6571 owl man he had that device to come back but he didn't choose
Batman let him die, he killed him.
Johnny quick wasn’t even mad at Batman he just said”Good one mate”.
Johnny is a good sport.
El Bandito yep
He was also one of the bad guys. And he got dooped into risking his life. And it was already too late. It was almost like him saying it like owlman, "it doesn't matter." But in his own way.
Johnny quick is a stupid name
Austen Balder no it’s a sarcastic name
I still think of the first instance as Batman Begins
"I wont kill you, but I dont have to save you"
KnightLight - HOLY SHIT dud you got it! It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who made and still makes references to BATMAN BEGINS!
I think he killed him! He knew there was no way out
So...He killed him.
@@lonestarr1843 that is what i was thinking of to
@@readyplayer3318 He didn't kill him. He just let him die.
Respect to Johnny Quick, even when he figured out Batman knew he’d die, he was a good sport about it.
What is crazy is I am sure he realized while in there, but kept at it
In the middle of his fazing, he really went "Wait this is gonna kill me? Oh, oh well"
Probably figured it out and did it anyways for the heck of it or, god forbid, cause he turned to the good side
@@x3woots Even in an alternate universe where all the heroes are evil, the flash is still a hero.
Why didn’t WW or flash or superman have gone. They would’ve got the job done in seconds and saved Johnny
He also killed trillions of lego people
*blocks breaking in the distance*
*War flashbacks*
Ayashi Nightcore *fortunate son intensifies*
Lego people can be rebuilt we have the Technologie
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Wolvy wait what?
#6: every thug he fought in the Arkham game series
Clout Fiend their all just unconscious
1 minute guitar for a while. Quite alot would suffer internal damages that would kill them later.
They'll be slurping crushed foods and liquids through a straw in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives (which is honestly worse than death), but he doesn't actually kill them.
@@1minguitar i always rammed them with the batmobile sooo....
Dynamic Duo ... well in that case
Owl man saying “it doesn’t matter” is truly awesome but chilling
9:45
What;s crazy is that he has the opportunity to abort. It shows ABORT on the screen.
However if he doesn't press the button, then to his multiverse theory, another version of him does press the button.
It doesn't matter.
In the end it does not even matters!....
He just said "aight I'mma just die now"
@@thefoundingfatherofmemes2527 im dyin today
Tbh, the Dracula one and the Johnny Quick one are the only ones that can actually count. And even their deaths are pushing the boundary of whether they are murder or not
I wouldn’t count killing an evil vampire as “murder”.
Very true
Technically dracula was never alive to begin with, you could say.
Yeah it's like saying killing a zombie is murder with Dracula
@@jacksonwells2902what about killing an evil clown
This whole list
He didn’t really kill them but I’m counting it
Well clearly you didn't see the whole video, because NeedleMouse clearly shows examples of Batman killing, such as Dracula.
@@DamienDarksideBlog undead is not alive. Mental function alone does not qualify as something living. Otherwise, super computers would have the same standard of life as a human with no pulse.
Besides one or two on this list Batman DID ended up killing people threw out his choices.
Big Rick that’s a good one
@@ShortPuff yeah his choices caused deaths, won't argue that one, but saying Batman killed them normally associates with Batman was the one who directly took their lives, be it intentionally or unintentionally, it isn't a choice that inadvertently caused a death, but batmans direct actions that took a life
The Owlman one is pretty great, as Batman left him the device at the end so he could've escaped. Owlman was so committed to his nihilistic ways that he did the only thing that mattered: he made no choice
nihilism is the curse of a person smart enough to realize life has no meaning, it’s just a never ending cycle of life and death with decay as the force to wipe the slate clean.
But that person is to stupid to realize that they got them selves all worked up over something they wouldn’t listen to even if it did exist.
Most people don’t fallow there parents, friends, society’s meaning for life. What would change if your life came with a meaning?
Your the author of your life and entropy/decay has given you a clean stack of paper, stop worrying about what color the pencil is and write something.
That makes complete sense
I liked that guys character, its like he's more batman than batman
Owl man is quite a nerd for that
Which means you could argue that Batman didn't kill him. He put him into a situation where he could save himself, and he chose not to. (It's not even a Jigsaw situation where he had to do something awful to save himself, all he had to do was take a few steps and push a button).
In all truth owl man could of shut the bomb off and saved himself so it is kind of a suicide
"Doesn't Matter"- Owlman
tycoonpro 604 he still left him on a isolated planet to slowly die either way
Nihilist to the end
yeah but he was in a empty cold planet, even without the extrem-nihlism of owlman, letting the bomb detonate for a quick and (probably) painless death is way better than shutting it down and dying of starvation alone
Spyko I don't think the planet was empty I think that owlman purposefully landed where there were no nearby people to stop him
"I don't count Zack Snyder films"
*Counts a video game where Needle Mouse chose to kill someone as canon*
Yeah because he thinks the zack movies are dumb
@@Chickenman_or_batman ya but it's a choice meaning either way it doesn't matter as it's a choice so for other ppl who played the game and choose to save ras ah gaul this would've been 4ppl batman killed instead of 5
It is because Zack Snyder movies BatMan kills everyone .
All live action DC is dumb, but that one especially
Okay cam
biased fuck
Keep telling yourself that
#1. Literally everyone. The Batman Who Laughs
Bornheck & batman murder machine
Bornheck & red death
The author of it came to the comic store that I shop at and was giving autographs and requested drawings of anything. And I requested him to do a drawing of Iron Man when he snapped, and to top it all off, the The Batman That Laughs were all 25 cents.
He's talking about the Bruce Wayne version of Batman
Thee whole crew of Batman who laughs lmao
Technically Owlman chose to die since he lost to Batman; he could've aborted the bomb detonation right there, the Dark Knight left him with a chance to save himself but he didn't take it.
Uhh no Batman teleported Owlman and the bomb to a different planet and if Owlman didn't save himself then technically he did killed him because the bomb set off the same bomb that Batman teleported.
@@devinkleinsmith5026 It was still his choice. Owlman saw no point in living so he choose to die.
@@devinkleinsmith5026if you claim that "having the ability to save someone but not doing it is equivalent to murder" then "having the ability to save yourself but not doing it" is suicide.
@@marcosguorgi847 best comment here!!!!!!
@@devinkleinsmith5026 If the bomb went off it was going to kill owl man anyway and Batman couldn't stop it and owl man could so owl man could have easily saved himself
One he should have killed:
1)Joker
2)Joker
3)Joker
4)Joker
5)Joker
You say one, that is five
Yup
D
@Terrell Zen dude a lot of peoples can have the same name don't try to be stupid, you are already stupid
@Terrell Zen well if what the Mobius chair told Bats is true it's technically 3 :P
I'm definitely a little skeptical about Owlman. Batman gave him rather easy means to escape death after warping away from Earth Prime. Owlman just chose not to take it.
Whatever choice he made he'd have made all possible choices. Action or inaction, it literally didn't matter, especially on a mission that was a spiteful murder-suicide from the start. It was definitely a suicide to the end.
The choice was to explode or starve on an ice world.
@@melnewdemon4873 He's a _Batman._ He'd make it out somehow if he cared to.
@@melnewdemon4873he gave the teleporting device to owlman
For the Ra's Al Ghul scenario, Batman talks about that in Batman Rises. He says " I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." That's exactly what happened there. He didn't kill him, he just didn't save him
If u didn't save him then u have killed him.
@@devinkleinsmith5026
That's not how it works.
No he basically cut off his life support i consider it 60% something of a murder
@@bat6353 thats quite literally how it works irl, legally, if you choose not to save someone, and its proven you could have easily saved them, you will be charged with murder, theres a precedent for it.
@@adamlion3495 I mean technically is re-life support since they were supposed to revive him..😂
“Even after everything you’ve ever done-“
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Joker: that's actually.....pretty funny...!
@@guilhermehank4938 joker: *laughs* *coughs* *dies*
1. He let Ra's die of natural causes
2. Dracula is litterally a reanimated corpse (the man he once was is already dead)
3. Owl Man held his fate in his own hands...he could have done something to save himself
4. Yep...he killed him lol
I kinda count Arkham City's Clayface's Death as a Batman Kill cause of the fact he started a chain reaction leading to Clayface's fall into the pit. But then again maybe Clayface survived somehow.
JR The 2nd 1 he had the chance to save him but he dint if you can save somebody but you don’t it counts as killing 2 once at the sun Dracula will never come back 3 what was the point of stopping the bomb he would be stuck there forever with no escape and die of starvation so he made it less painful
Dark Knight rises he shot missiles at the driver
Magikarp God to be fair, in Batman begins (I think?) Batman does say “I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”
Alex Boehm ok
Johnny Quick practically sacrificed his life to save the entire multiverse...
And even if he was aged into a old man and he just showed his enemy respect...
I don't know why but, even though Johnny Quick is usually a villain, he died saving lives as a hero.
I can't help but feel amazed that a member of the crime syndicate made that sacrifice.
Just like poison ivy in Arkham knight
He IS their Flash
Yeah Johnny Quick is a great example of "In another life..." a little nudge in the right direction and he would have been just as good as The Flash.
That was joker’s fault that Batman dropped the cure, not Batman’s...
In the sequel, the Joker in his mind clarifies: he let him die on purpose.
In Arkham city, he said that he still would not have given joker the cure even if he didn’t drop it
sparkyk24 I think that’s just joker trying to mess with Batman’s sanity, like what he’s been doing the whole series, but now he’s in his head and making him question every decision he’s made.
@@zaidenortiz8341 No, Batman said: "After everything you had put me through, I still would have saved you" then the Joker dies while laughing
@@ericjrthered4365 I think it is something like Batman blames himself even when it was totally not his fault at all and that's why the Joker in his head says that Batman killed him
Hey don’t forget that one guy Batman killed in Batman Returns when he threw the dynamite on him and pushed him into a sewer. The dynamite explodes right after he falls and the explosion is huge he 100% died, and Batman walks away without a care xD
I was going to mention this instance, but checked the comments first and am happy to be beaten on this one - there's next to no chance that Batman didn't commit this action with any reasonable expectation other than "this is going to explode and kill this henchman in a moment" - and he was happy about it!
"Unless it's a Snyder move, but i don't count those..."
But you will count player choice in a video game and ghost possession. You don't even touch on his comic kill count.
SpikeStarkey he’s saying that because if he counted the Synder movies he would count almost every death not only that but Batman kills on a daily bases on those which is why Needlemouse sees the Synder movies as trash
@@joelfigueredo957 Lol. Same stupid thought. Michael keaton killed much more than batfleck did. And keaton enjoyed it unless affleck who is broken, war hardened and has started to question his morals after all the crap he has gone through for 20 years. And daily basis? We only saw one film.
IKR. The player choice shouldn't have counted.
@@mrinalkantimandal150 Well Michael Keaton's Batman wasn't Punisher like, him branding people and blowing up people.
I don't think even Tim Burton's Batman would murder Superman like Batfleck will.
I’m sure it’d be difficult to find a comic where Batman, of course being OUR Batman (not one from a parallel universe), kills somebody
You know Batman was the first costume vigilante that actually killed some one..
It was only in the silver age that he stopped killing folks out of hand.
I think his first comic he kicks a guy into like a giant thing of acid and pretty much said “he got what he deserved”
Let's not forget that Batman literally has a gun on his hand, shooting the guy in a coffin.
I think he stopped killing people because the comics code was getting big.
@@handsomedevil4928and that's the Batman i respect Batman who knows how important is to punish criminals and how good it is to eliminate them.
Batman also killed reverse flash but it was Thomas Wayne not Bruce Wayne
son_of_sparda dx if anyone wants to know where it happened is in the flashpoint paradox movie
Thomas Wayne never vowed never to kill
Thomas Wayne Batman kills many people not only Reverse Flash
Heaven Burst
Did he also killed the joker ?
No, in Flashpoint the Joker is Martha Wayne, his wife... after Bruce died his father became batman and his mother gone mad and came out as Joker
Tbh none of these mattered except Johny quick, that one was just straight up premetitated murder.
He died of old age,not murder
@@ryder98307 He died as a direct result of Batman telling him to do something, that Batman knew fully well would kill him, without telling him that it would. That's unarguably murder. He didn't die of NATURAL old age. To say that's not murder would be like saying shooting someone isn't murder; they just died from a bullet wound.
@@troodon1096 Nope that's not murder and if you consider it it's not unarguably so
Pedro Régis All right think of it this way. Say I’m trapped somewhere. I tell you to go push a button that will let me out. You push the button. What I didn’t tell you is that if you push the button, you instantly died. So now you’re dead because I didn’t tell you what else the button dead. That sounds like murder through manipulation.
I think it was more of a choice: Johnny Quick or the Flash had to do it to save the multiverse (and die trying). He protected his friend at the expense of his enemy. Ruthless, but not murder.
Nah man owl man chooses to kill himself
Yeah you're right owl man could have just priest abort
He was left on an isolated planet to die slowly...
batman left him the portal gun
still not Batman's fault, also that's not killing, the nature of that place will kill you
VixXstazosJOB but Batman left him there right?
9:47 The way he just says it doesn't matter then smiles before he died really shows how insane he is and how much he doesn't care about himself since there are a million earths and probably in one he does save himself so he just decides to die cause "it doesn't matter"
Number 3 shouldn't count... just because Batman has a physical body doesn't mean it's his fault that someone else pulled the trigger, also number 2 doesn't count as Owlman had the choice of defusing the bomb, it was right there, ready to click. It wasn't Batman's fault that someone didn't choose to save themselves.
You could argue that batman still send him in a Frozen planet, earlier stated that any humans in it's surface would eventually die, next to a soon to be detonated World Bomb.
true but the planet was uninhabited so if you are going to teleport the bomb some where you should teleport it somewhere uninhabited
it stil doesn't count, the place will kill you, not the one who placed you there knowing thatyou're not defenseless.
VixXstazosJOB but he also gave him the controller thing to get back. He just throws it at owlman before he gets teleported. Owlman didn't do jack to save himself. That was owlmans fault not batmans.
Batman sent Owlman to the frozen planet knowing the bomb was going to go off and not knowing there was an abort button if that was the case he wouldve pressed it.
Hm. Ironic. Batman has a cure the Joker needs. Joker jumps onto Batman's back. Then stab him.
Scorpion and Frog analogy here?
Yep.
Batman: bruh why u stab me I was gonna save u
Joker: *DO I LOOK LIKE A GUY WITH A PLAN*
I wonder how many people who don't even know the story liked
Funny enough I first heard that story from TMNT Fast Forward.
I heard of that from theodd1sout
Batman Arkham knight, all people batman knocked out in Ace Chemicals must’ve died in the explosion
@Messi Fan That is Arkham city and Batman didn't kill ra he killed himself by impaling himself with his own sworld.
Cause I'm Freeeeee Free falling!
pro gamer yt i never thought of that
That was about 20 or more people
Damnn
I think the Joker’s death in Arkham City was the most impactful. Not just because it was the Joker’s fault and he still got the last laugh if you count Arkham Knight, but because Batman did think it through and give a good point to Joker’s madness, “Every decision you’ve ever made ends with death and misery, people die, I stop you, and you just break out and do it again. “ Plus Batman still has a great line to boot that one “Even after everything you’ve done, I would have saved you.” RIP Kevin Conroy, the true Batman
"Real DC world, Batman has never kill... or has he?" --- Shows the non-canon Arkhanverse right away.
Canon as no sense in term of DC or MArvel universe. There is so much different platform and so many regular reboot, or Spinoff taht you can really call about a full canon.
well theres cinematic universe canon and lore that goes with it that is Official, and there is the current comic storyline canon that is separate, but often do influence each other
@@shorebreakers96 1939 Batman killed
Eliott Jean-Marie Post-Crisis Canon... New 52 Canon... Rebirth Canon... etc
Holygrame Monkey ok but that’s still Batman and he even killed in Batman vs Superman
Me: *watching video*
Batman: you know something funny, after what all you've done I
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Everyone. WHO GIVES A RATS ASS ABOUT A PIXEL!!
That actually is...
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Pixel 4 is out
Actually the reason Ra's says he is proud of batman is not because he has put him out of his misery. It's because he has finally gotten batman to learn to do what's necessary to achieve his goals. Even if it means letting someone die on purpose
"Now you may say , but I want to ignore that because I want to make this video."
To be honest he could have done this video with versions of the comics and that would have been fine, maybe he wanted to do it only on TV shows so yeah, for me is still a pretty good video
I mean in my opinion, most of his videos go like this, and he does definitely ignore alot of things, for example saying Dracula is 'alive', when in every canon of him he is either a pseudo zombie or a supernatrual monster of some kind that is undead.
Batman never kills? Didn't the 1989 and 1992 Michael Keaton version Batman kill some fools? Lol
Not canon
@@sharminahmed7467 that was in a different universe
Sugar Ray that movie not comic book accurate
Sugar Ray yeah but Tim burton knows batman like how people who watch stranger things know the 80s. In other words, tim burton hasn’t read a Batman comic in his life
Not to mention All Star Batman and Robin's version.
5:13 FATALITY
lmfaoooooo
Brutality
Batman wins! Flawless victory!...
Babylalty
Lol☺
Aaaaa it remind me of old days of mk xl
Needlemouse: "5 times batman has killed someone"
Also Needlemouse: well technically he didn't
He didn't kill Ra's, he kept him from resurrecting.
He didn't kill Dracula if vampires can be brought back from their ashes.
He didn't kill Devil Ray, Deadman did.
He didn't kill Owlman, Owlman built the bomb and it was going to kill him anyway. Also Owlman could have deactivated it if he had cared.
He basically killed Johnny Quick though. Damn.
Put he has killed Two-Face
@@whiterice6115 When?
In the Dark Knight
I just disagree with the Johnny Quick death. Batman pretty much outsmarted and withheld info to him so he'd age. Batman didn't purposely make it so he'd age, it just happens that's how mafia works. You can just say he died of old age due to being fooled by a Cicero minded jester *skyrim reference wink wink*
He didn't kill Dracula because he can be brought back from **death** with his ashes? What?
Batman is one of the best, if not the best Super Hero that was ever created, not to mention he has the best lore of villains.
Moon Door
I prefer Scarecrow over Joker to be honest.
Moon Door Agreed
Why is your profile picture a racist flag?
Callmeacne First I would like to ask you what your political preference is? (Democratic, republican, socialist)
Moon Door dude i was very big fan of batman when i was 4 years old but he is not the best he is popular because his shitty shit and he was the first superhero ever
"Not saving someone when you have the cure is killing them"
Marvels spiderman: "am I a joke to you?"
Eh, he chose to let his mom/aunt die if it meant savIng thousands more. Letting an old woman - at peace with her death - her son by her side, die of a disease and letting the cure save thousands and possibly avert the apocalypse is possibly different. That’s why they deliberately shadowed Peter’s face when he tried to force himself to inject may with the cure: it was his darkest instinct. He would be killing thousands, possibly millions, to let one person live. Him being obscured in darkness shows it’s the selfish, dark decision, and we only see peters face again when he decides he can’t do it and see him sobbing violently.
@@kotyissocool ngl this game was probably one of spiderman's saddest moments
Batman: Breathes
This guy: *SO YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO COMMIT DEATH*
When Owlman says "It doesn't matter" and smirks was awesome.
I watched this, thought Owl Man's "It doesn't matter" line was badass and a great concept for a villian, then i go into the comments and many people were thinking the same. damn that is such a good line
All of them are Batman's fault expect for the Deadman thing.
Also I would like to have a moment of silence for all the innocent Parademons Batman and the League have murdered without remorse.
Parademons arent really sentient though so nothing of value was lost
okay good Im not the only one whos thought about this, and what about the Alien Sperm things from the first few episodes from the original Justice League cartoon.
The Owlman thing wasn't his fault. Owlman could've shut down the bomb
Owlman is an alternate version of Batman so technically it IS Batman's fault. Lol jk
Also the Parademons thing was a joke
:If he doesn’t physically kill but mentally he killed that person
:If he does physically kill but not mentally he kills that person
Lose lose for Batman
Sorry, going to have to call out a logical inconsistency here:
If Batman is said to have killed Ras Al Ghul because he could have easily saved him, but chose not to, then by that same line of logic, Owlman killed himself, because he could have easily saved himself, but chose not to.
So take your pick, one of those can't be counted.
Alfred: Batman where is Master Grayson?
Batman: He's over there on the floor.
Alfred: Master Grayson is dead!
Batman: No he's not. I hit him in the head so he would lose his memory of learning who I am.
Alfred: How many times did you hit him in the head?
Batman:... 125 times...
Alfred: Batman! That kills people!
lol
I hit myself 125 times and I’m not dead
@@jinsungyuu8365 cuz you didnt hit hard enough!
its interesting to note that owlman even points out he could've aborted the bomb but chose not to, stating "it doesnt matter", so technically owlman let himself die instead of batman killing him
But owlman had the chance to disable the bomb
remember nothing matters
Me: sees 5 people Batman has killed
Also me: wait that’s illegal
I like the distinction with Owlman
There's a big difference between leaving someone behind to perish in their failed plot, and tying that person to it then bail
11:03 made me cry from laughter.i dont know why but just the prospect of a dying aussie just telling the best detective on the planet that he pulled a good one on him is hillarious
Am I the only on who likes the batman from batman v Dracula and the joker also the music is so fucking good
joe marine I liked the Batman design but they needed a little more work on some of the villians.
joe marine yh it was a spinoff movie of the show "The batman"
doctor99268 I know
Music is absolutely sick and I love that cartoon
The Batman was my childhood show and it was also pretty much my favorite version of batman at the time
He broke his moral code.
5) non canon as there's two choices. So one is real while the other is false but neither is confirmed.
4) movie version is non canon.
3) Deadman used his body, Batman wasn't there.
2) Owlman kept the clock on, Bats allowed him to do suicide.
1) Batman didn't willingly do this. He knew he'd age until in elder age but not to death (comic showed he didn't know it would be to death, but until in extreme physical pain in old age)
+Jorge G. Figueroa Then explain how he killed Darkseid with bullet in comics.
Don't tell me that it wasn't the kill because it was.
xXSilentAgent47Xx Darkside didn't die form that shot he was just wounded, did you even reed the comic book
+Anton Duroj Bidstrup Look up for my comment at "Batman! You're All Right! Batgirl! Yes! I Am Absolutely Calm!".
You'll find responses there who claim he did.
xXSilentAgent47Xx if your talking about infinite crisis he didnt
you forgot the dark knigth,batman killed two facced
The Joker got so many chances but he killed Two Face on their first encounter lol
I mean the last kill was also logical. Either save the Flash (a hero who saved countless lives and will continue to do so even if it means to sacrifice himself) or save Johnny Quick (a villain who has very likely killed many innocent and/or good people, and has helped in restricting freedom of an Earth's population, and has committed other crimes as well). Obviously save the Flash. However Batman gave Johnny an opportunity to redeem himself and sacrifice his life to save all the life in all multiverses.
He didn't killed them. Remember what he said, "I won't kill you, but I won't save you either".
Tell that when first time batman see joker fall in arkham origins, what he do?
@@1406-u7q he had to save him to avoid continuity errors.
Holy shit!! Ive watched crisis a few times and this is the first time ive realized that Owlman could have hit abort and was all..."IT DOESNT MATTER"!! WoW...metal af
Owlman was given the chance to save himself by aborting the bomb's destruction but he didn't that one seems more like suicide than murder. Ra's Al Ghul, like the person said you could have saved him. It was up to the player not Batman the character. Dracula is supernatural and was undead and was never truly human. Plus you can't imprison him so what do you do? Johnny Quick made a choice to do it and plus he could have told them but that would only waste time. It was more like sacrifice than murder.
Aquaman dropping a big barrel on black mantas dad. Waits for him to drown. "I didn't kill him".
It doesn't matter if hes not truly human. Superman isnt human, he wasnt even born on earth and Batman refuses to kill him because he believes that killing intelligent beings is wrong.
damn it i was going to comment abut that
L S No. Superman might not be biologically human but he’s considered human because he’s an alien that can show empathy and compassion
The one liner from Batman Vs Dracula is amazing. “You are....Bruce Wayne?” “And the Batman. *And you’re dust* “
*"I'm the Batman", not "And the Batman."
What's weird is that when Dracula and Bruce first meet, with the way Dracula is talking about Batman to Bruce, you'd think he knows Bruce is Batman already and is teasing him about it, but no, he doesn't figure it out until the end when Batman breaks out Bruce's technology on him. So like... what the heck? Maybe leftovers from an earlier draft?
Batman didn't kill Ras, he didn't resurect him. That's different.
Senior Bandido he explained why you’re wrong
@@memedealermikey he says that if you have a cure to save a man's life and you don't give it to him, that's killing that man. What Ras needs is Lazarus pit "water" to cheat death and never die. He should've died hundreds of years ago.
Senior Bandido technically his life kinda resets as if he never was close to death at all. So by that logic if Batman were to stab him in the face and cut him into pieces he didn’t kill him. I disagree
@@memedealermikey Except the difference is that by stabbing him in the face and cutting him into pieces, Batman would actually be doing something to directly cause Ra’s death, whereas by not giving Ra’s the cure to resurrect him, Batman is just simply not doing anything to either cause nor prevent his death, making it more like the situation in the movie Batman Begins where Batman says to Ra’s “I won’t kill you, but I don’t have to save you”.
About owl man he thinks that any choice he makes does not matter because he would have had made the opposite one of that in another dimension.
IT DOESN"T MATTER.
“I won’t kill you...but I don’t have to save you” ~ Batman begins
~ shitty batman writers
@@OhNoTheFace no
@@dogmaster8879 If that makes you feel better
@@OhNoTheFace 😐 k
I'd say Owlman's death wasn't Batman's fault because Owlman could've disarmed the bomb at any time but he just decides not to as it didnt matter
It’s kinda weird that owlman looks Cooler than Batman
No he does not...
Ok, maybe a little tiny bit. But hey, Batman is still the best. Batman is just... Batman. He's just Batman, and that's what makes his the best
Debatable
@@angelic_bloodbath true. but I will say that if used well owlman has the potential to be the best batman villain. Basically a nihilistic version of batman... with more dangerous tech on account of not having his one rule. The only reason he loses is because of his nihilism; he doesnt have the same drive to win that batman does.
Yeah. Its too bad owlman isnt featured in more stuff. That would make for a great movie dynamic. But they're coming out with that Gemini man with will smith which is basically the same idea, just not batman.
Jacrispy Vermillion owl man is trash lmao
More than half of these are indirect
almost all
When Ra's said he was Proud of Batman, I don't think he meant that it was the right decision to let him die, but something that he always wanted from Batman was to kill. And in his eyes as well, that was batman killing him. So he finally did it
2."We both looked into the abyss and when it looked back at us,you blinked."
Batman also killed the Joker in the Dark Knight Returns, right?
deadplanetdalek1963 He broke his neck, but Joker's the one that killed himself.
Eliza Robinson but the police still framed Batman for the death. so it doesn't count as a murder?
deadplanetdalek1963 no joker killed his self
deadplanetdalek1963 No, it doesn't. They THINK he was the one that ultimately pulled he plug on Joker's life, but that's just an assumption. We as the viewers saw what really happened so we know it wasn't murder
Eliza Robinson I agree we know Batman isn't the murderer but from the police point of view Batman did kill the Joker. It's not like there were many witnesses to testify otherwise since most of the people in that tunnel were dead or running for their lives
Batman said he “Would” have saved him instead of saying I was gonna save you meaning that he already had thought his idea out already
"I would have" and "I was going to" have the same meaning.
9:43 "it doesn't matter"- Owl Man
he should of added that this is only for animated media situations like this arnt uncommon for the comics
In the “Detective” issue with Dr. Hugo Strange and his giant men first appearances, Batman kills at least two of them: One by shooting, the other by hanging.
True indeed brotha
He also threw Hugo out a window beforehand
Yea batman v superman wasn't the first time batman killed in movies, go see Michael Keaton's batman films, his batman killed
Bry BGamer117 Yeah, watching him blow up a factory filled with Joker's henchmen in the first movie was disturbing
Batman's killed in every movie except George Clooney and Adam West.
I even talked about how Batman killed in the movies on a comment that claimed he didn’t. He clearly did and people were like “Well Batman-“
The main difference is that Zack Snyder went out of his way to insult the fanbase and tell them they’re “living in a f***ing dream world” for thinking that Batman doesn’t kill. He fundamentally doesn’t understand Batman and has expressed open disdain for those who rightly criticized his warped viewpoint.
Batman did kill when he first appeared. It was a throwback to that. He didn’t kill too many, though, and none of the deaths were violent, so there’s that. Ben Affleck remains my top live-action version, with Kevin Conroy being my all-time favorite.
The fact that Owlman just accepted his death gives me chills.
I‘d like to see an arc about batman being forced to break his rule and how he comes to terms with it.
I say bs to 2 cuz he didn’t technically killed cuz he left the “Abort” option on for him.It was the owl man’s choice who decide if he should die or not.
He also said it doesn’t matter when he saw it so yeah it was owl mans fault
English must not be your first language
Learn how to use proper grammar.
Except batman sent him to a planet where he dies no matter what. If owlman stops the bomb he's left on an empty icy planet where he'll die of starvation.
@@bulavinaka819 Batman left the teleportation device that Owlman had used to send the bomb to Earth Prime with Owlman. Owlman could have easily clicked the abort button and teleport to another Earth, but he chose to die. Owlman's death was his own fault and not Batman's.
" No earthly medicine can sure a super natural affliction" but wouldn't them being vampires in the first place be a supernatural affiction?
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Not really.
Dracula was born due to magic, he has both the physical and mystical powers of a vampire.
Meanwhile, people bit and infected by him are afflicted by a pathological agent within his body, gaining only his physical abilities and losing their minds on the process.
TL;DR Two different kinds of vampires.
Well, you can count Owlman's death as a Suicide, as he had the option to save himself, but didnt.
He would have still committed suicide if he succeeded in destroying earth prime
I love that Owlman’s reaction to finding out that there are other Earths is to become a nihilist and nuke everyone
Just like the Joker
Batman didn’t kill Owlman, he just sent him to other earth. He even leave the screen of the computer with the option to abort the detonation. And not only that, Batman let Owlman with the teleporter gun so he can escape from that world too before it’s too late. But at the end Owlman say “It doesn’t matter” and died by his own choice.
So basically Batman gave Owlman two ways to escape and survive, and he didn’t use any of those. He died y his own will. .
Nope, because Batman killed him because he made Owlman stuck to the bomb when he threw the rope and then he threw the device so that the device teleports the bomb and Owlman to a chosen location to save the world.
@@devinkleinsmith5026 Owlman broke free from the bomb. He could have stopped it.
Johnny quick was actually very good sport about being screwed over.
That's basically what my entire Dedsec branch is gonna be when WDL comes out
5. Ra's Al Ghul -
Not counting it because it's up to the player what Batman does. You can choose not to let him die, (also he's not killing him he's just letting a man far past his due date die of natural causes).
4. Dracula -
I mean, technically he did kill him but Dracula is kind of already dead so... Between that and the fact that he got resurrected I don't know if I would personally count it but I guess technically it was a kill.
3. Devil Ray -
That wasn't Batman at all. You said it yourself. It was a ghost possesing him and even then the intention wasn't homicidal.
2. Owlman -
Batman gave him the option to save himself. I'd say it was more suicide than murder.
1. Johnny Quick -
Ok yeah, he didn't really have a choice but he killed him.
Even if most of these weren't really kills, good job putting this together.
5) That only depends on the player's choice. The ending in which Batman does not kill Ra's Al Ghul is just as canon as the one in which he destroys his means to survive. At least, that is the case, so far (until a later Arkham game tells us which ending is canon).
4) This one does count, even if it is not canon (and based on an incredibly bad series).
3) It is not Batman killing that enemy - it is Deadman. Plain and simple.
2) I must admit I did not see that movie, but it seems to me Owlman was "only marooned forever in a deserted world of his own - not put to death". In your video, it seems that Batman did nothing to ensure Owlman's death : all Owlman had to do was click on a button to save his own life, but he chose not to. Also, since it was Owlman's bomb, he clearly knew how to disarm it (and he had enough time to do so. It wasn't Batman killing Owlman. It was Owlman's nihilistic tendencies that led him to chose not to survive.
1) I agree with this one.
"0)" About the Arkham joker, are you f*cking kidding us ????? It is Batman's mind losing it - mixed with his memories of the Joker's unreliability as a narrator. It's right in front of your eyes : the Joker's mad memory is blaming Batman for "destroy[ing] [his] cure, right in front of [him]." Batman did not destroy the cure - it was Joker's doing. Actually, Joker's madness and memory is just messing up Batman's own memories and perception of reality ... and, ironically, you are the one who fell for it, by believing him.
Joker killed himself! By attacking Batman! Batman said right there he was going to save him, you're gonna trust THE JOKER's words that Batman killed him?! P.S. Owlman could have saved himself and be stranded on that planet, but he chose to die instead, not exactly Batman killing him is it?
The Joker in Arkham Knight is just a hallucination from Batman's mind. Anything that the Joker says, comes directly from Batman's mind. So yes, Joker did attack Batman but Batman wasn't going to save him.
not quite, directly from his mind yes, but that doesn't mean he was going to, don't forget that his brain was fucked up because of the joker venom so his thoughts were corrupted
I like Jonny Quick's death he didn't got mad he just say "Good one mate"
12:35 I have absolutely no idea how you come to that conclusion. Do you know what murder is? Murder requires intent. If someone is literally controlling your body you have no intentions nor are you physically responsible for it. What makes your body YOUR body? The fact that your mind and soul are in it, if someone is controlling you then they are using your body figuritively, but it has physically become their body as they are the ones controlling it, all actions are 100% their fault. That's like saying if I push you into someone else and then you hit them and they fall off a cliff it's your fault cause your body touched them last, ridiculous.
0:15 That scene pissed me off so much. Like Snyder, bruh, did you even read any lore?
Owlman killed himself. Batman left the option to abort the detonation to Owlman but he didn't take it. If you have cancer and someone offers you a cure but you don't take it, it's not the fault of the person who wanted to give you the cure, but your own fault when you die from it.
Good point, though you might have chosen a slightly less sensitive metaphor...
@@abevanderlist2102 but he didn't
TOO MANY "Technically"S
Jeez, i could build a non-existent house with them
He kills his foes in *“Batman”* (1989), *“Batman Returns”* (1992), *“Batman Forever”* (1995), *“Batman Begins”* (2005), *“The Dark Knight”* (2008), *“Batman v Superman: Dawn Of Justice”* (2016), ect.
He also killed in issue #1 of *“Batman”* (1940). He killed a bunch in *“Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder”* (2005), ect.
The character doesn’t have a single definitive continuity and each different version is exactly that; a different version. He can behave differently in each different take because in each different take the circumstances in his life are different as is his mental state.
he didnt kill owl man, he gave him a choice to live or die but owlman says it doesnt matter
When Nysaa said “Ra’s Al Ghul”, captions said “Racial ghoul” xd
I just realized how he explained how not killing Ra’s is killing him is the same way way joker die