Weird Oddities of the Sonic Franchise
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You have it backwards, Nack is the localized name. Fang is the original name. Also, he's a Gerboa acording to his character designer. The thing about Eggman being a feminist was apparently mis translated. He is supposed to be a womanizer.
Well the original name was Nack, but they changed it because the Japanese pronunciation sounded too similar to that of Knuckles.
He is part Gerboa and part Wolf, one of his parents was a Gerboa the other was a Wolf. Don't ask me how something like that works.
@@banjo9158wolf on a gerboa. That's akin to rape
his name might be changed cus of superstars now. It could be that knack is an alias and Fang is the canon nane as the website implies. or theyre both aliases and neither counts as his real name
OH NO 😭
This implies the entire franchise isn't odd and weird
supersonic colorful animals seem pretty ordinary to me ngl
Every franchise is weird if you think about it hard enough.
As if other franchises aren’t just as weird if not more
True
Honestly every franchise is wierd and unique.
You forgot to mention how starting with Sonic Adventure all the way to Sonic Unleashed, Sonic was in a a world (presumably Earth) that was populated by humans (which I guess makes sense because you know….Eggman.) But after that game, the humans were never seen again and is now back in a world that is populated by anthro people like himself, leaving Eggman as the only human to be seen.
Well, at least TailsTube does confirm that there is a separate location on Earth that is dominated by anthro people, while the rest of the world is populated by humans. But it still was pretty confusing to think about before that time.
Does this confirm segregation as canon in Sonic’s world? Smh
@@TheRuggedEchindasonic will go to war with humanity
the classics happened in island that weren't populated by humans, the adventure series is located in areas populated by humans, and heroes was when the lore and timeline started to slowly lose focus
Humans did exist in the Classic era, we just didn't see them because they didn't matter that much.
@@gopgip Yeah, it’s all really messy.
They can’t decide whether it was have the world be established by humans with Sonic and his friends as the only anthros on Earth, or have the world be established by anthro people (Mobius I guess) with Eggman as the only human. They’re just no winning what fits better, which is why the world building in Sonic games makes no god damn sense.
At least with Crash Bandicoot, the anthro-mutant characters rome around the world because they were all created in a lab by Neo Cortex and N. Brio by mutating real-world animals. With Sonic, it’s never explained. They’re just……there.
The one thing noone seems to mention is that "robotnik" in most Slavic languages means "worker". Apparently the guy who gave him this name wanted a Russian sounding one and thought it meant "automaton". But yeah, he is officially Doctor Worker over here...
Bro I'm Russian and I never knowdiced that 😮
I though they gave him that name because it has "robot" in it
That came from the US localization in the end of the day it was only in adventure that it became his canonical name
Imagine how confused I was when I was watching Sonic Underground as a kid and heard that the big bad's name is "Labourer".
I believe this was cased because the word Robot originates from the Slavic word for worker.
@@rynobehnke8289 Not quite, it originates from "work" (as a noun)
l kind of like how not all of the characters fit the naming scheme. It makes for some variety - and I think that the "outlier" names usually roll off the tongue, so it's not for nothing.
Degenerate.
I want to note that the trend with male anthro characters having limited attire is a general western thing. Bugs Bunny for example only wears gloves.
The ages of characters have been removed from the Sonic wiki which means that they could be considered outdated.
Plus CD takes place between Sonic 1 and 2.
Yeah, the main classic games all have had an official timeline for what I would like to say is at least a decade and a half, but I'm not too knowledgable about the topic.
@@gamerdomain6618 I won’t pretend that CD had some lore confusion in the past, in fact my main source is Sonic Origins, which is fairly recent. I recall a point when Sega retconned Classic Sonic to be a different Sonic than modern, but that has also since been fixed.
the ages aren't technically outdated (you can still use them as a good general reference for age ranges), but i think sonic channel removed them to make them a bit vaguer so that other adaptations could have more freedom, since aside from the movie every adaptation ongoing takes place canonically
True. Not wearing pants has been around for "generations", sorry for the pun.
"Plus CD takes place between Sonic 1 and 2. "
Is that the current definitive version?
I know it explains Tails' absence in CD, but I don't like how this makes Metal Sonic the original robot Sonic while Mecha Sonic MK1 or 2 the later upgraded versions.. then Eggman goes back to Metal Sonic in later games..?? Also I kinda prefer that Sonic first meets Tails over Amy... Oh well.
Sonic's timeline is as bad and confusing as Zelda's apparently.
7:12 eggman what
No one tell him how they handled Charmy's age change in the Archie Comics.
There was an age change?
@@GamepadStudios Yes, since Archie used the american manuals and everything they could, they introduced the Chaotix, Mighty (and Ray too, but he got separated from Mighty and Mighty joined the Chaotix) and Knuckles togheter, how they were in the american manual of Chaotix
Since Charmy's age was "retconned" in Sonic Heroes, and Archie Charmy was already 16 and had a love interest, they decided that he would suffer from Amnesia and start to think and act as if he was 6 years old
@@GamepadStudios In the US manual for Knuckles Chaotix he was 16, so Archie introduced him as such. In Sonic Heroes he was 6, so Sega demanded they somehow change it to make him more in line with the modern canon.
@@DaFunniGuy Amnesia is putting it mildly. This was a full on lobotomy.
@@DaFunniGuythat’s…. Dark
0:54 It's actually the opposite, Fang the Sniper is his true/original/japanese name, and Nack the Weasel is his name, given in America, he is not even a Weasel (at least not in the original version), he is a Jerboa, actually he was called a jerboa and wolf hibrid originally on Triple Trouble's japanese manual, but Fang's creator and designer always, since the beginning, made Fang to be JUST a jerboa, and didn't liked the idea of him being a hibrid beetween jerboa and wolf, and it seems that nowadays they corrected/adapted/accepted this idea since now they always call Fang just a Jerboa, and not a hibrid
Also Fang makes a lot more sense, since he has a big fang, and normally Sonic's characters names are supposed to match a characteristic they have
The odd thing is that his original name was probably supposed to be "Nack" or, almost certainly, "Knack" as in the synonym for "Skill".
I think the U.S. translation team got some older design document that had the name "ナック" written on it and that's why the American team called him Nack. But the weasel part was their own creation.
So maybe his real name is "Knack the Jerboa" but he just puts on other aliases or claims to be a wolf or a weasel because no one is going to take you seriously as a treasure hunter or bounty hunter if you admit to just being a jumping rat.
the sonic folks really like pulling obscure animals from time to time. the protagonist of the murder of sonic the hedgehog is a quokka, and we've now got surge the tenrec and kitsunami the fennec fox in the comics (among others). and of course, before knuckles came about, echidnas weren't exactly common to see in... any kind of media.
@@MarshmellowTC That's true! Mighty and Ray's creator, Manabu Kusunoki, said himself that he chose an Armadillo and a Flying Squirrel because they were kinda obscure animals that he really liked!
@@TheHobgoblyn Interesting, and valid theory, considering that he got a different name in both versions, and his original name in japanese was really supposed to be that, it would be weird if it was a coincidence!
nack was gonna be his name in japanese,but they changed it to fang because it sounded too similar to knuckles in that language,but because in english nack and knuckles don't sound that similar at all they kept it nack
About the ages: Maybe that's why they removed all the ages on Sonic Channel, and maybe the characters will all become ageless, so like that they will not have to change when the years pass, and characters can get older but stay the same on voice, personality and apparence, like if they grow up but at the same time not
Also, yes, Shadow has technically 2 fathers, Black Doom and Doctor Gerald, technically has a brother, the Biolizard, and Maria was kinda like a sister to him
Also Sage and Metal Sonic, even being a robot and an AI, kinda have a father, Eggman call them their children, and Cubot and Orbot casually sometimes are called like brothers to Metal and Sage, in Sonic Colors Rise of the Wisps Orbot calls Metal Sonic his "big bro", and in Sonic Frontiers Sage asks if Orbot and Cubot are like her brothers
And no, the "last adventure" that Sonic had before Sonic Adventure wasn't Sonic 3 & Knuckles, games like Sonic 3D Blast and Sonic R are canon to the timeline and takes place after Sonic 3 & Knuckles, technically the last Sonic game before SA1 was Sonic R, just like in real life since Sonic 3 & Knuckles was released in 1994, 3D Blast was released in 1996, Sonic R was released in 1997, and Sonic Adventure in 1998, and Sonic R was the last Classic Sonic game, until Generations released and they decided to continue the classic Sonic universe
Now technically since apparently at the moment, the classic Sonic universe takes place at the past of the current modern timeline, that Forces line of Tails saying Classic Sonic was from another dimension, was retconed in TailsTube, saying that "the past is another dimension in the time and space continum", so he still from the past but was called like that because time is "another dimension" (before that TailsTube retcon it was actually theorized that after Sonic Generations, Classic Sonic splitted from the modern era after Sonic R events and started a new universe, leading to Sonic Mania, so Modern Sonic didn't experienced the new classic games after Mania and Classic Sonic would not lead into Sonic Adventure), but since TailsTube retconned that, and it was proven false, Sonic Superstars is Sonic's last adventure before Sonic Adventure, until they release the next classic game that takes place after Superstars, because they'll keep the Classic Universe alive and release more classic Sonic games
Sonic CD takes place after Sonic 1 and before Sonic 2, that was confirmed with Origins and was said before Origins release
the most accepted theory about Blaze is that 06 takes place BEFORE Sonic Rush, when Blaze sacrificed herself to seal Iblis, and when 06 was reseted at the end of the game to go back on how it was at the start of the game but without Solaris, Mephiles and Iblis, Silver's future was now a good future instead of Crisis City, and since Blaze sealed herself with Iblis into another dimension, with the reset, she was not sent back into the future with Silver but was now in the Sol Dimension as a princess
Also, in the Encyclo-speed-ia it confirms that Eggman Nega is in fact from the Future, a descendent from Dr. Eggman (and that is the case for the timeline as a whole, both Rush and Rivals), and not Eggman from Blaze's dimension, Eggman Nega probably travelled to Blaze's dimension in Sonic Rush and tricked everyone into thinking he was from her dimension instead of the future
And the Boom series still isn't canon, it's not even possible for it to be due to Knuckles not being on Angel Island, the designs (that could be retconned), all Sonic's friends living on Hedgehog Village on Seaside Island, etc.
And it cannot be canon not even on the future, after all the modern games, since Sonic and his friends meet Sticks on Rise of Lyric (or Shattered Crystal), and then she joins their group on Fire and Ice and the TV Show
But Sticks is canon, and for now, they met her off-screen probably
the "last adventure" is not known, tecnically, it should be Sonic 4, because Sonic 4 happens before Adventure 1, but who knows if Sonic 4 is still canon, and they never stop releasing classic games, so... we'll never know what is gonna be classic's last adventure, the one that was being referenced in adventure 1, was probably 3d blast, it is considered canon and happens after sonic 3k, and that's an actual adventure instead of a racing competition.
That theory about Blaze is wrong, because she was NEVER from Silver's future, that's a common misconception in the fandom, in the sonic 06 official website it says that Blaze IS from another dimension, always was, we just don't know why she is in Silver's future, i guess she visit it? idk.
@@banjo9158 If still canon, it's most likely that Sonic 4 takes place right after Sonic 3, and before later games such as 3D Blast, and Sonic R
That's because Sonic 4 IS the return of Metal Sonic AFTER CD in Sonic 4 Episode Metal (and Episode II), with him being reactivated on Stardust Speedway, on Little Planet, after Little Planet's return, since he was abandoned in there after his race with Sonic, so it has to be the first game that Metal Sonic appears after CD, so it has to take place before other classic titles such as Sonic R, since Metal Sonic appears in that game
It might be odd since Sonic 4 use the modern designs, but it isn't the first time that the Modern Designs are used to represent or show flashbacks from the Classic Era, in Sonic Adventure there is also Tails' and Amy's flashbacks of Sonic CD and Sonic 2 with the modern designs, in Scrapnik Island from IDW Mecha Sonic has flashbacks from Sonic 3 with Sonic and Knuckles having their modern designs, and in Sonic Prime with Sonic having Flashbacks of Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 with the colored eyes
So even tho the classic designs represent their past versions, sometimes they can use the modern designs to the classic era, but it """""doesn't count"""""
@@DaFunniGuy It kinda have to be after 3d blast though, because 3d blast is the game where Sonic learns how to use the homing attack.
The Blaze thing still makes no sense, since her fire powers canonically stem from her being the guardian of the Sol Emeralds. So unless the Sol Emeralds randomly decided to grant powers across dimensions for absolutely no reason, there's no way she should have had them in 06 if it took place before she became their guardian.
The most logical explanation is probably that they wanted 06 to be a complete reboot of the franchise and potentially explain what was up with Blaze in the cancelled Silver the Hedgehog game after the fact, but never got around to it.
@@rainpooper7088 Blaze was never from Silver's future, she was always from another dimension, it's confirmed. we just don't know what she is doing in Silver's future. Rush games can still happen after 06, but she was always from the sol dimension regardless.
6:02 the part that intrigues me is that he has a "home", implying that he has a place to rest. Does he have a normal human house or a man cave like he did in the first movie?
Well we see what I presume is Sonic’s house in the intro to Secret Rings. Dude has a nice place.
He sleeps under a polygonal tree
This also implies Station Square is in either Christmas Island, or South Island.
@hog469 According to Tail's tube, he doesn't have a house which is consistent with his original Japanese characterization.
The storybook games imply that. Sonic was sleeping on his couch after all
One odd but interesting is Vector being religious in the JP manual of Knuckles Chaotix, Vector is a religious. Maybe it makes sense since he was looking for a island or "miracles" but the fact that we have a Christian in the Sonic series is kinda cool.
Reminds me of all those ms paint drawings of Sonic praying and crying with his hands together
@@GigaDonk99w vector
@@GigaDonk99w soul eater pfp too
@@moosesues8887W gold roger pfp
Are we sure he prays to a Christian God? Imagine Vec' praying to the God of Destruction, Chaos! XD
There is a list that SEGA made, in which sets a rules. Its quite an intressting list. Some examples are: female characters have to wear pants, sonic can't cry and game characters can't die. Though the list is more made for the IDW comics, its also a general ''rule'' list for other contributors to the series, and the list is kinda 50/50 when it came to the archie sonic comics.
Sonic can not die but can be tortured for 6 months.
Sonic himself is banned from wearing pants, and girls couldn’t go Super (though Amy did in Origins+, so thankfully it’s probably lifted? Hopefully?)
@@Batterykitten8 so eggman cutted sonic's Dick?
I used to love reading the Sonic Heroes character bios in the manual.
I read them over and over and even brought it to school to show my friends. Even back then though I was confused as to why Sonic was a teenager hanging out with Tails who was like 8. But, Tails is my favorite and that manual was the first time I learned about his full name, which was super cool. Good memories!
Well according to backstory, Tails is like Sonic's younger brother. They befrended over... something
It's not only Cream who has her mother on the games
Bean the Dynamite also has his father Bin probably, which idk if he is still alive or somewhere around the world
Jet the Hawk also has a father, that is alive and send him things and letters, he has a painting of his father on his room above his desk on the window
"Speedy"/Battle Kukku XVI from Tails' Adventures has his father Great Battle Kukku XV, also from Tails' Adventures
Tikal the Echidna has her father Pachacamac
And those are the characters from the games that I remember having parents
cream is a girl
@@min2793 I know, it was a misspell, English is not my primary language and I often mistake "she" for "he" and "her" for "him"
@@Luiki491 oh ok
bin (playable character in dynamite dux) is not related to bean it's just bean is just based on bin
@@JaxTheEpic Fighters Megamix (another SEGA game) informer affirms that Bin it's actually Bean's father, as well as saying that Bean is a woodpecker
Idk if it was just in the context of that SEGA crossover fighting game (like, his inspiration would be his "father" in a game that mix all the SEGA games), but it says that, and Bin is an alt skin to Bean
The dynamite part from “bean the dynamite” is in reference to the sega game “dynamite düx”. It also fits since his gimmick is lobbing explosives.
With the pants/no pants situation, it’s honestly even more weird to consider classic Disney characters like Mickey and Donald. One wears only shorts the other only wears a shirt.
can't sega just make it a fashion style? nowadays anthro animals not wearing clothes is barely an issue at all and is common now in stuff like kiff (a disney channel show who's main protagonist is an anthro squirrel girl who doesn't wear clothes) so there literally is no excuse or reason for the girls to have to wear clothes while the males don't,can't they just make it a fashion style? and for some reason the female characters in IDW (the characters that originate from there) always are drawn with chests that go a bit more forward which implies that they have boobs (which is weird considering that all the game characters except rouge are drawn with flat chests) that is a thing that makes me not like most of the IDW character designs because they feel more like fan made OCs than characters that would be designed for an official sonic game
I have a headcanon with Blaze, I think she's originally from the future, but when the timeline was rebooted, she didn't return to her original timeline, she just rebooted into another dimension where she became the princess.
that...(sigh) look blaze is meant to be from the sol dimension,period. Even in the story of 06 she is still from the sol dimension,the explanation for why she was in the future was cut from 06,her entire character is literally meant to be an alternative dimension counterpart of sonic,most (if not) all her character traits are built with that mind set and are direct parallels to sonic,and plus the events of 06 were erased,so everything that happened in that game never happened,heck in the story of 06 she also isn't from the future so she was never from the future to begin with,so that headcanon makes absolutely no sense
@@lauraikoko 06 have no sense since 2006 and Generation.
We need a remake.
Guess what: Maekawa (the writer of 06) agrees with "Blaze is originally from the future" theory. Rush and 06 were originally supposed to connect to each other in a way, but then 06 flopped, Rush Adventure retconned the 06 connection to some degree, and now everyone's confused. Think of it a worse version of the "is the Shadow we see in SA2 a replica" mystery that got retconned after Heroes? Battle? ShtH? Honestly idk.
@@imagiguardEverything would be just ok if only Crisis City hadn't appeared in Generations, but as they say, everything is canon.
3:31 if you wanna be super duper technical. Shadow is technically eggman's uncle as he was technically created by gerald who is eggman's grandad.
Fun with the names- in the SatAM cartoon, they call Sonic "Sonic Hedgehog" as his full name, so he's canonically (I'm that show) Sonic Hedgehog the Hedgehog. The Archie Comics that adapted itself to be very close to that version of the Sonic universe expanded on it so that his full name is Sonic Maurice Hedgehog.
Family wise, Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog gave Tails parents and SatAM gave Sonic his Uncle Chuck and again Archie went crazy and gave everyone parents. Sonic Underground famously gave Sonic a brother and sister and a mother. I think the only main character to get a family in the games is Robotnik with his grandfather and cousin.
The closest we've gotten to an official Sonic timeline is from Naoto Ohshima, who, when asked about when Sonic CD takes place, said "Between Sonic 2 and 3, because that's when it came out." So I guess he's saying that the games just take place in release order.
Honestly, though, Sonic fans who obsess over "the timeline" are weird, sorry. It's always been pretty clear that the franchise plays fast and loose with continuity, and is just supposed to be like an episodic cartoon, where things don't necessarily always connect seamlessly.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the Sonic games and comics being in the same continuity. Like you said, it will limit was stories the games and comics will be able to tell and a non-contradicting continuity will always require the comic creators and the game creators to coordinate with each other which is difficult to do.
Plus (and I have seen this many times in other franchises) which push comes to shove, the main media (in this case the Sonic games) will just go ahead and publish something even if it contradicts the comic continuity. In this case, the games and comics are not being treated as canon to each other in practice. The statements about them being canon are only lip service because it gives the comics more legitimacy.
If a franchise wants to make its different media canon to each other, they cannot just *say* they are both canon, they actually have to put in the effort to make them consistent with each other. It's dishonest and manipulative to just say they are canon and then have explicit contradictions (like how Disney pretends the Star Wars comics are 100% canon to the Star Wars films and tv shows even though the latters are constantly contradicting or overriding the comics).
Like I said earlier, In my opinion just make the different media separate canons. You don't need to give the comics more credibility by saying they are canon to the games. If the quality of the comics are good they will stand on their own and be beloved by fans as a operate continuity. That's why people love the Archie Comics and Boom cartoon. Those stood on their own merits instead of syphoning off legitimacy by being canon to the main games.
One weird thing I wish they kept was the weird geometric, polygonal look Green Hill Zone had in Sonic 1.
Edit: all the other zones usually go for a cartoony/realistic look
I think they go for more a surreal, paradoxical look. Mixing element that shouldn't belong together and make little sense in a way that gives the scenery life and makes them unique.
@@zizo5349 I can kinda see it in places like Starlight and Spring Yard but I feel that starting from Sonic 2 most of the games have fairly sensible looks. But I’ve really only played Sonic 1 and 2 so maybe there’s a game for me
Here's another oddity about pants: In Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, Sonic and Shadow have unlockable full-body Race Suit costumes for 2 Player. These outfits were recently added to the officially licensed Roblox game, Sonic Speed Simulator, but with a notable difference: The "pants" part of the outfits are now gone for some reason.
What if there's a mandate by sega that Sonic can't wear pants
That's weird that they removed the pants part of the race suit in later games
@@superhedgehog6447sus.
when "But what about the pants?!" makes me laugh
I might also add the fact that Rouge’s anatomy is slightly fucked up when you think about it. She has two arms, two legs, AND two wings??? And a bat’s wings are their arms????? Also if Knuckles is an echidna why doesn’t he have a beak? Are we gonna talk about how long is tongue must be?? And for the love of God why has NOBODY made jokes about Knuckles hatching from an egg???
Weirdest thing about Sonic is how people try to keep everything canonical
exactly! someone finally gets it lol.
It's not weird when the games pre 2009 did try to keep a consistent continuity...
I just thought of something. You know how Fang is Fang the Sniper but also Nack the Weasel? Maybe the whole Sniper thing is just a fun thing that the Hooligans decided to do. That's why Bean is Bean the Dynamite. Bark is probably Bark the Polar Bear because he's quiet and alittle shy. If I had to imagine Bean probably came up with the idea and Nack decided to go along with it (Maybe he just didn't like the name Nack and wanted something cool) And Bark wanted to make his own name but was too quiet or couldn't think of anything and Fang took it as he didn't care and convinced Bean to let him simply be Bark the Polar Bear
The Superstars website confirms that Fang's different names are different aliases he took on to run from the law.
Except he was never a weasel in the first place and he was using the name "Fang the Sniper" even before he even met Honey as she probably introduced him to Bark and Bean. The bios of those two in Sonic the Fighters indicate they are heroes.
The irony with Eggman Nega is that there is a technical explanation that explains the history of Eggman Nega, why he went from Sol dimension to Eggman descendant.
Really
@@natureisneat8262 yeah..the story is just difficult to understand because Sonic Team did a terrible job on explaining the story...
5:17 currently watching the video and just realized dr. eggman’s a FEMINIST??? 😭😭 bro has been ruthlessly stuffing animals into capsules and creating death robots
if you think thats weird when you look at the archie comics your mind will explode. God I miss archie
About eggman nega...
He is from the future but he is an interdimensional criminal who travels trough time and space
So he is eggman descendent but he also goes to blaze dimension to steal the sol emeralds and stuff
Not only that, but in the Sonic universe there's 2 separate canons: the Japanese and American canon. The American canon contains Sonic the Comic, Adventures of Sonic the hedgehog, Sonic the hedgehog(SatAM by community), Sonic Underground, it's also worth to mention that the last 2 cartoons are unfinished since they both end on cliffhangers where they never saw the light of day, again.
I mean, the American canon is not continued anymore, the only thing that got to the main universal canon we have today, is that Dr Eggman's real name is Ivo Robotnik.
@@majorse203 and even then I'm pretty sure the Japanese ignore the "Ivo" part.
I believe there is an interview where they explain 06 was supposed to come out first then rush but do to delays 06 had to come out later
since the comics are canon, that means mecha sonic is still alive, which is fucking awesome.
Misconception idw are it's own thing
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 even if that's true, there's not much stopping them from referencing characters from the comics and therefor confirming their existence in the video game world
7:45 The whole "Classic Sonic is a different timeline" has been retconned to just 1 Sonic at different points in time
Nope the class sonic from generation is now a different timeline via the time split.
@sonicthehedgehog1606 not anymore. It was retconned after Forces failed. BTW, this is cannon. The series lead directly into Frontiers
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usually i use the idw comics to determine what is 100% canon and what's up in the air
the series is so messed up with how things are handled and the writing team behind the comics is supposedly only allowed to use official mainline canon for their sources so i'm inclined to believe that it's a good source to figure out what is canon
Yeah, from what i understand they used the transition between archie and idw to clean up the sonicverse as a certain former archie writer that will remain nameless made a total mess of the comics to the point where they had to do a cosmic retcon just to purge hundreds of characters out of continuity that said former archie writer now owns due to negligence on archies side. And they went so far that they literally hired the guy who replaced he who should not be named on the comics to write the most recent mainline game. You will certainly never see anything like sonic underground or satam ever again as even the live action movies are under strict guidelines(especially that upcoming knuckles show)
@@jamesmiller206 Why didn't they just restart from scratch with a complete reboot? I kind of expected them to do it when they announced the move to IDW but they actually went through the trouble of continuing where Archie left off while doing tons of cleanup and retconning? Weird choice.
@@jamesmiller206 Me when I lie.
@@DiwashoIdw is its own continuity. No relation to archie comics
@@DiwashoNo, idw is completely different from the old Archie comics. It's just that some of the writers and artists from Archie moved to idw.
The Japanese manual of initial DC release of Sonic Adventure has the line "he was away on a journey for some time but the city he has returned to is once again calling him on an adventure" - considering both Sonic CD and S3&K events are referenced in the Japanese version (and S3&K apparently happened almost immediately after SCD), these are most likely that 'journey' the manual mentions.
6:33 Technically we do know, even though it mess some things up. Sonic CD does come before Sonic 2, according to the Sonic Origins collection, as the game has a "story" mode, that just plays all the games back to back. The only issue this causes, is that now Metal Sonic comes before Silver Sonic, which is the robot you fight before the final boss in Sonic 2, even though Silver Sonic is supposed to be the prototype.
Tbh you can argue it's just Eggman throwing a prototype at sonic to buy Time for the death egg robot
I don't really think it's a prototype. metal sonic got defeated by crashing into a wall, so eggman decided to build something sturdier. this idea failed, so he combined both speed and strength resulting in mecha mk II. that was a failure too, so eggman returned to the idea of just speed
Actually, it's not called Silver Sonic. It's called Mecha Sonic, and the robot you fight in S3&K is called Mecha Sonic Mk 2. So it goes like this: Metal Sonic -> Mecha Sonic -> Mecha Sonic Mk 2
You could think that the Roller badnik from Sonic 1 is the first ever prototype of a robot Sonic clone, and that's my headcanon.
my personal theory is that knuckles was just magically spat out of thin air as a newborn by the master emerald's energy and thus has no relatives
also, I guess pachacamac wears a sort of robe/dress/tribal outfit so he goes on the list of male sonic characters with modesty
Nack the weasel was actually his American name. In japan he was a jeroboa. Bean is also a duck, he comes from a separate video game called Dynamite Duck, with a recolored him green. Very similar to what they did with flickies bringing them over to the Sonic universe in spite of the fact flickies were from their own original game that came out in the '80s before Sonic.
he is actually a woodpecker because his tail and his pecking moves also that the duck from dynamite dux i think his name was bin being his father thing is probably just a fan theory
The Sonic Forces retcon is no longer canon, Classic is back to being a younger Sonic in the current canon. (You can thank Ian and the other people working on Tailstube for that) As for the timeline, Classic Sonic games take place in the past before Adventure, with the most recent currently released game, Sonic Mania, taking place before Sonic Adventure and explains why Metal is back on the Little Planet in Sonic 4 and why Little Planet is back to having a bad future in 4. Speaking of CD Origns confirmed that CD takes place after 1 and before 2.
Tailstube in general is a series dedicated to ironing out the continuity and fixing the damage the Meta Era did to it.
Now i wonder, does Sonic Mania happen after Sonic 3D Blast? Because that's the game where Sonic learn the Homing Attack, but Sonic Mania was said to be directly after 3 and Knuckles, but 3D Blast is also after 3 & Knuckles. and Superstars i think is also after 3 & Knuckles and maybe before Mania? this timeline is a mess.
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Sonic actually learns the spindash in Sonic 2 (Genesis version) according to the manual. (and if the US manual is taken to account as well as the original story it was invented by Tails as a way to keep up with Sonic) As for Sonic Mania it can't possibly take place right afterward of Sonic 3 because Sonic hasn't met the Hooligans yet. Without a doing a full timeline I would say the games mentioned go Sonic 3D Blast > Sonic Mania > Superstars. A good rule of thumb is unless stated later games come later on the timeline.
@@TheSwordsman100 Spelled it wrong, i meant Homing Attack, as far as the Hooligans, that could be their first canon appearance in the timeline, considering Sonic Triple Trouble is probably not canon, than their only canon apperances would be Sonic Drift 2 for Fang, and Sonic The Fighters, and both could be after Sonic Mania with no issues.
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Ah OK, technically while similar that isn't "the" homing attack but the "blast attack", think of it like a prototype for the actual homing attack that would be perfected later. As for the Hooligans I doubt that as there would no reason for Heavy Magician to take their forms otherwise and according to Ian Flynn the only official games (as in the actual series not stuff like Sonic Schoolhouse or Popcorn Maker) not canon are Knuckles Chaotix and Sonic Chronicles the Dark Brotherhood.
@@TheSwordsman100 Knuckles Chaotix was changed to be canon again, Sonic 2 master system and Sonic 1 master system are not part of the same timeline as the other games so, pretty much not canon, Sega is not sure if sonic labirith is canon or not. so, it's mostly up to intepretation which game is canon or not, they're mostly up to the table, but i would say is very unlikely for Trible Trouble to be canon.
I think the reason they changed Rouge's age from 17 to 18 was because of how she was sorta sexualized in the earlier games (mainly SA2, she has weird boob-jiggling animations in that game). It also coincidentally gives NSFW artists an excuse to draw furry porn of her, not that they wouldn't otherwise 😬
It's a lil why I don't really like or talk about Rouge. After 06, she seemed to act like this "sexual girl". Same with Sonic X, and it just doesn't seem right and it disgusts me.
@@_staringboi_you a virgin?
stop
@@_staringboi_ i miss the cool level headed mediator rouge from pre meta era
I like Rouge from Sonic X because of how sassy she was. Though the weird moments where she was trying to “connect” with Knuckles I hated
In 50 years sonic is now 4 years old
It's important to note that SEGA confirmed Sonic CD's place in the timeline, like, a year ago in the Speed Strats episode dedicated to it for Sonic Origins to be between Sonic 1 and Sonic 2. They even sarcastically emphasized it for a quick joke, implying that they were aware of the long-running debate among the fans for years.
NAAH I REALLY THOUGHT THIS VIDEO WAS GONNA BE ABOUT "The Pants Blaze Multiverse" AND I KEPT THINKING ABOUT WHAT IT ACTUALLY WAS 💀💀💀
I guess an oddity is sonic surving in space but not water
7:34 yes, generations very clearly says that Classic is just Modern Sonic but younger and during forces, Tails does have that line about Classic being from another dimension but i think they realized they fucked up and in one of the latest TailsTubes, which they're using to somewhat fix a bunch of confusing bits of lore from the franchise, Tails goes back and reiterates something along the lines of "time is a facet of the universe and could be considered another dimension" or something like that to correct the mistake in forces and basically discount what he said there lol. So, it's a bit of mess but what Sega is saying is that "YES, Classic Sonic is just a younger Modern Sonic, ignore the forces line" lmao
I personally interpreted it as saying the events of Generations altered Classic Sonic's timeline to the point where it created an entirely new timeline/dimension. Instead of going from the classic games to the Adventure games, it now goes from the classics to Mania.
My theory to the whole Classic Sonic timeline thing was that there was a timeline split after Generations, like when Classic Sonic went back to his original time.
So when Classic went back, he didn’t experience the same timeline that Modern Sonic did. Instead, Classic’s timeline goes Sonic 1 > Sonic 2 > Sonic 3&K > Sonic Generations > Sonic Mania > Sonic Forces > Sonic Superstars > etc…
Which is obviously completely different to Modern Sonic’s timeline. So Classic Sonic kinda WAS a younger version of Modern Sonic but now he’s his own character on his own adventures. I guess you could say he’s “from another dimension”. The way forces explained it was stupid tho.
But This is all just my theory
To the people saying that Sonic created a new timeline or something like that, that's impossible, time travel has 2 theories, 1 - Multiverse Theory, where travelling in time create new timelines, 2 - Normal Time Travel - changing the past change the future. both can't be a thing in the same universe. and Sonic follow the 2nd one. so, a new timeline can't be created.
@@banjo9158 bro it’s a game they can do whatever they want.
Look at Zelda for example. In Ocarina of Time, Link travelling back and forth in time changes the future and makes 3 separate timelines happen. But in Tears of the Kingdom, Zelda’s time travel does not create a new timeline, nor change the future.
It’s just whatever the creators want to do with it, they don’t have to strictly follow any rules or whatever
@@Slimeonian the 3 timeline separating as far as i'm aware is not through time travel but through divine intervetion, which you could argue is sorta the case for Sonic, but it's not, he just goes throught a portal.
They do have to follow those rules though, because if they don't it turns into an inconsistent mess, You either change a future, or create a new timeline, both happening at the same time? how would that even work? it is true that this is all fiction, but there has to be consistence at some point, even the Sonic franchise tries to be consistent from time to time, and they are being more consistent right now as far as how the universe operates.
Maybe eggman nega went to another dimension.
He did, he was never from Blaze's dimension, he was always from Silver's future, as far as i'm aware.
It's Simpler that Professor Eggman N-word is just an Oldman Eggman Variant.
Wierd thing about Charmy: Allegedy he's supposed to be around the same age as the others (8-18) and he got hit on the head causing him to get amnesia in the comics and his game counterpart is supposed to be close to that.
The ages of Sonic characters can only be described as generally inconsistent.
Tbh I’ll always go by the idea that they’re all either adults or older teens, like how is this little animal going through thr horrors and also being 12, I just go by mlp rules with them, their ages are ambiguous, but also these mfs are homeowners and taxpayers
@@trixie7759Yeah I just go by unless they’re explicitly stated to be adults I just assume they’re minors, it makes it funnier to me that this Grown Arse Man (Eggman) just has insane beef with these random teenagers bc they made fun of him or whatever
The Sonic 06 developmental manual apparently establishes that Blaze the Cat is insecure about being flat-chested.
yes i remember that. cute detail lol.
What
the games are canon to the comics but the comics arent always canon to the games it just depends on the writers.
the franchise needs a reboot
One of the characters from the comics was mentioned in Sonic Frontiers, so this could be a statement that the comics are canon for games too.
@fernandorodrigues806 there's still too many inconsistencies
The ages of the Sonic chars should get updated. It just doesn't make sense at all if you look at the older ages and the age changes.
And no, idw isn't canon to the games; yes, the events that happens in the idw series is right after Sonic Forces but there are so many things that shows that idw is different from the main game canon timeline. you can search about it and you get what i mean.
1. The Sonic ages are no longer a thing in the franchise. They are no ambiguous.
2. The IDW Sonic comics are canon to the games
@AquaBlueTea I know that about the ages, i just wanted to see if they are trying to give them a new age, give them a good one.
No, idw isn't canon to the games. I am not a guy to convince someone about these topics, so search it up yourself.
@@imnobody321 Unfortunally, the IDW comics are canon, liking it or not. even Sonic Prime is canon, Sega is being very weird about the canon, as for ages, i think ages should work like that:
Sonic 1 through CD and 3d Blast - Sonic's age is 9 years old, Tails 4, Knuckles 10, Amy 6.
the classic Era with all their games including Sonic The Fighers, Sonic R, Knuckles Chaotix, Sonic 4, Sonic Mania and whatever classic games are canon, all last 3 years, so sonic would end the Classic era with 11, Tails with 6, Knuckles with 12, and Amy with 8.
Adventure 1 - Sonic would be 12, Adventure 2 - 13, Heroes - 14, 06 - 15, Generations onwards - 16
other games like Advance 1 could be in the same year of Adventure 1, Advance 2 in the same year as Heroes. Shadow The Hedgehog, Battle and Advance 3 same year as heroes, all the games released after 06 and before Generations in the same year Rivals games and Rush games on that year too , and Generations onwards all in the same year too.
Other characters would follow that, Rouge being 16 in Adventure 2, 17 in Heroes, 18 in 06, Yet to make 19 nowadays.
Cream would be 5 in Advance 2 and Heroes, 6 in 06, Yet to make 7 nowadays.
But that's just my opnion on how they should manage ages.
@@banjo9158 you really trust sega in showing what is canon or not? If we want to go with what sega says "everything is canon" then Sonic X which is a retelling of Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 and Battle, etc, is canon too. And other than that every single Sonic media from the past years such as Movies, archie comics, Aosth, SatAM, Sonic the Comic, etc are canon as well.
It just doesn't make sense, i like to think that universes like these and IDW, prime, movies to be canon to their own timeline/universe and be separated from the main game canon.
@@imnobody321No, the everything is canon is a response of the social media account, a way of say to people to not worry about this stuff, but that was confirmed no to be the case, besides, Sega already said Sonic Chronicles is not canon, so yeah, everything is not canon,but idw and prime are indeed canon. Also No feedback on the age stuff? Damn.
Loved your video. Nice tone and style.
Lots of great weird points about this series you brought up, well done.
I just love the whole timeline/parallel world stuff, even if it barely makes any sense.
Also the male characters being naked never bother me much, I guess it's just classic legacy elements. Like I never wondered why Donald Dudk didn't wear pants, why the Looney Tunes only wear gloves or why Felix the Cat's always naked while his girlfriend(s) usually wear clothes.
fun fact about bean:
his mother is a woodpecker, but his dad is a duck! he appears in the game dynamite dux
Ive always wondered how the reproduction works in sonics world, since the only parent-child relationships are cream/vaninlla and pachemac/tikal.
Makes me wonder if both parents need to be the same animal to have kids? Or, my headcanon: species will come from the same sex parent?
As in: shadow and rouge would produce bat daughters and hedgehog sons.
@@thegeth4293what
@@sosman64 would silver and blaze have a hedgehog or a cat as their child?
@@thegeth4293 Yup. I am done with the internet for today.
@@sosman64 You shouldn't have think hard about it. lol
we all know why they changed Rouge’s age to 18
The artists are coming
@@MyledBlaze oh no
run
That kind of stuff always bothered me as a kid. I would always title my drawings with “the xxx” for each corresponding animal. “Nack the weasel” & never Fang the sniper. “Tails the fox” instead of Miles tails prower.
The pants thing is one of my pet peeves in any cartoon with anthropomorphic animals. Ducktales 2017 did it too, with none of the guy ducks wearing pants but all the female ducks had pants, skirts or long shirts
I think any time there’s time travel involves it makes the timeline split. (Head canon as to why the classic and modern games coexist now) and also CD takes place before 2.
6:33 Sonic CD is officially regarded to take place before Sonic 2, so the official order of the classic era games go 1, CD, 2, and 3
Makes sense for them to age up Rogue. The fact she was even 17 to begin with caught me off guard and considering her character design, it's a little questionable.
Ohhhhhhh ok. So 18 is alright with you?
@@anotheryoutubeaccount5259 that's adult in most countries, so I'd say yes
@@robertlupa8273 So what's the problem?
It's worth noting than some older games did call him "Tails the Fox" in the manuals.
And he's known as Tails the Fox to a lot of fans compared to his official name of Miles "Tails" Prower
And in one episode of Sonic Boom
Okay I did not realize that there was a 10-year age difference between classic charmy and the charmy we know today. That is a very dramatic age change😂
4:28 but know they don’t have ages
honestly the whole "Classic is now in another universe" thing is easily explained without a full retcon
after Gens the timeline split and it caused the Classic era to split off into it's own timeline. It's kinda like how after X-Men: Days of Future Past the X-Men movies now take place in an alternate timeline (i mean hell in Deadpool 2 they even travel back to the original X-Men timeline to fucking kill Weapon XI, the Deadpool of that timeline) so... even though the "2 worlds" thing is retconned, it's not as confusing as people made it out to be
That's not how it works though, there's 2 time travel theories, the multiverse theory, where you travel back in time and creates new timelines, and the theory that changing the past changes the future, both can't coexist, it's literally impossible. so, Sonic time travelling can't create new timelines, so Classic Sonic should have to be Sonic still, and he was changed to be Sonic from the same timeline as Sonic once again. also, as far as Days of Future Past, yeah, there's no new timeline there, the old timeline just changed, so, it's not Multiverse theory either.
It's a video game the can do whatever they want even if it's not accurate to deal life "theory's" of time travel.
@@Blanktester685 That's not how it works. both coexsting is literally impossible. even fiction have some ground in reality and logic, and saying Sonic is a completely ilogical product is wrong. Sonic is not that wacky and crazy, it does have ground on reality.
@@banjo9158ro it's science fiction. You're wrong, like did you forget that type 3 multiverse thero exist? Plus there more than 2 time travel theories like my god you don't understand. The sonicverse is a multiverse.
@@sonicthehedgehog1606 Multiverse theory is literally one of the 2 i stated, wtf. i think you're the one that didn't understood.
The naming sense I feel wasn't really suppose to be followed strictly since Amy and Tails came soon after with their names, I think it was to emphasis a character like for example "Sonic THE Hedgehog" because he isn't the average hedgehog, so it's a title. As for Fang, Nack was his original name but it was changed because it sounded to similar to Knuckles in Japanese so it was changed to Fang. The pronunciation issue didn't exist in English though so it stayed as Nack but I'm not sure where they got "the Weasel" though. He was always suppose to be a Jerboa or a Jerboa-Wolf hybrid but it could be an idiom for his deceitfulness. Recently they sort of acknowledged that he goes by several names in-universe so technically they're all correct.
The Rush stuff is weird. I think we’re meant to assume that there’s a Blaze and Eggman Nega that are in the Sol dimension, but then there’s also a convergence(?) of some sort in the future where there’s another separate set of Blaze and EN. Perhaps the events of 06 pulled a “Name of the Doctor” from Doctor Who and scattered those potential future versions into another dimension? It’s confusing but it could work somehow.
My head cannon was that females have thinner fur and thus have to wear cloths, while the males haver thicker coverings letting them walk around naked.
That kinda falls through when there's also lizzards and other animals that have no fur also waking with no cloths.
@@banjo9158they retract their dicks, i guess.
The canon mess is the same with super hero comic and movies. Each time a new writer joins, they will add or change something, and it works on its own but that something ends up conflicting with previous stuff.
This make the franchise weirder strange which makes it fun
Amy Rose and Charmy Bee originated from a manga that didn't bother with the naming scheme and they just didn't adjust the names when adding these characters to the games.
Amy Rose was always suppose to be a game character but made her debut in the manga while Charmy was originally from the manga as said by Ohshima.
Bean the Dynamite is based on Bin and Pin from Dynamite Düx. Until today, I thought that Bean was a duck since around the mid-2000s.
Fang is actually half jerboa and half wolf.
SEGA actually mandated that male Sonic animals don't wear pants but it's not a hard mandate as there exceptions as seen in Sonic Prime and The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog. On the other hand, SEGA mandated that female Sonic characters have to wear pants or skirts; that's actually how I realized that Trip from Sonic Superstars is a female animal.
Cream was actually going to make her debut in Sonic Heroes but she made her debut earlier in Sonic Advance 2 so Sonic fans would be familiar with her and to make that game feel fresher compared to the first Sonic Advance.
Bean's a duck, which is a reference to an early Sega game "Dynamite Duck"
Actually he is a woodpecker, in Sonic the Fighters he has an attack where he can use his beak to deal damage to the other characters, and he is called a "Woodpecker" in an arcade magazine and in the encylo-speed-ia
But he is in fact inspired by Dynamite Dux (yes, the game is called Dynamite "Dux" and not Dynamite "Duck"), and Bin and Pin are in fact ducks, and Bin is confirmed to be Bean's father, but somehow he is still a Woodpecker, maybe Bean's mother is a woodpecker, idk
@@ThisisTheUltimate You got it right at the end, Bean's dad is a duck, his mother is a woodpecker. he is part duck and part woodpecker.
I think sonic's bio's "his adventure is starting just as he came home from a long journey" is in refrence to team sonic's opening cutscene in heroes. There we see sonic running in a canyon, so I think it's just meant to show that sonic is always on the move, whether he's saving the world or not
7:36 it does make sense though. Iizuka said that it's because classic sonic branched off to a different timeline. But there is a problem sega can't (or couldn't i'm not sure, haven't been keeping up lately) decide if this is true or not.
1:12 nack the weasel was the American name for him
btw sonic prime is canon now
I can't back this up since I can't name him, but based on the statements of a friend who worked for IDW and had access to Sega's "lore bible" of sorts: there's actually no "retcon" when it comes to Blaze. A lot of stuff is actually explained in great detail but just isn't brought up cuz it's not particularly relevant to the games. for example, there really are two worlds - Sonic's world and the regular human one. SA1 & 2 take place on Earth, Heroes & Battle take place in Sonic's world, hence the very different world aesthetics. Sonic X is the only Japanese Sonic media that made the "two different worlds" thing clear.
Now what's sad is, all of this Sega of Japan lore was recently thrown out in favor of just having Americans like Ian Flynn define the canon. Again can't expect you to believe me without proof but I don't wanna get this guy in trouble.
I think it’s so funny that Sonic just “Winnie-the-Pooh’s” it in his Captain outfit in the murder mystery game
what murder mystery game?
This is my favourite cutscene in Sonic Adventure 2.
The Classic Sonic one can be explained quite easily, when Eggman used the Time Eater and brought Classic Sonic and Tails to the "present" (or ig the white void or whatever) he splits the timeline in two, one with Modern Sonic and one with Classic Sonic (think Dragon Ball Z or Avengers Endgame time travel) so they're now separate entities living in different timelines and it allows Sega to have Classic Sonic games outside of the "main" continuity like Mania and Superstars.
The question I've been asking myself since the very first STH game is this--Why does Sonic and Eggman exist in a world where there are nothing but cute non-anthro creatures and loop de loops?
I got a fan theory for why there's so many loop-de-loops.
Basically, the Chaos Emeralds radiate beams of powerful energy which loop-de-loop, zig-zag, and go in all sorts of crazy directions, because chaos. Most linger for just a few seconds, but occasionally a very large number of beams will 'prefer' to travel down the same route, creating chaos energy leylines. The most ancient of these leylines shape the earth into towering cliffs, loop-de-loops, corkscrews, and all sorts of wacky terrain. Green Hill is one of these areas with lots of ancient chaos leylines, which is why Sonic loves to run around there.
Other leylines aren't old enough to affect the shape of the earth, but they still serve as conduits for energy, which can be harnessed for good or for ill. Many cities are built with lots of suspended, twisting infrastructure in order to draw upon the leylines in the air, which powers the city with a sustainable source of energy. Eggman also builds his bases in locations with leylines, which is why they have so much of the same hedgehog-traversable structures as non-Eggman aligned cities. He can't just create a big lead-lined box with extremely cramped space-filling paths to slow Sonic down, because doing so also significantly reduces the efficiency of being able to draw chaos energy from the leylines. It's a delicate balancing act.
We also have "The Commander" - now granted it might just be because he is the commanding officer that they don't use his first name.
the original name of Fang in japan it is Fang, they tought about naming it Nack but it sounded too similar to the japanese pronuntiation of Knuckles, so it got changed, while in America, they used this discarded name. Then both regions agreed on the name Fang and Nack became a nickname
In the case of the comics now being canonized, it kinda helps that the guy who writes most of said comics also wrote the majority of the character interactions for the most recent game. Kinda helps the continuity, lol.
Hi there Kiro, I like that you made a video called "Weird Oddities of the Sonic Franchise". Great Job! 👍Could you make a video called "Boss Battles of Sonic Generations Are Strange On Those of Sonic Forces"?
8:10 this is why I think levels of canon work best. Where basically it can be assumed canon unless it contradicts the primary canon.
I can’t believe I forgot about Eggman’s Sonic Heroes bio. The man might be out to enslave all life but at least he respects women...
(Ignore every instance of him holding Amy captive.)
He doesnt that was a miss tranlation the original japanese text said he tries to go to bed with every woman he find basically with is even more out of character
Amy is 12 só she is a gril not a woman.
Just captive? He was treating shooting her in SA2 lmao
@@kauanjos3199 Yeah, he held her hostage at gunpoint
Charmy Bee probably has 5 days. Bees don't live that long. lol
2 big issues with the video.
1: CD was confirmed to be after 3&K in many different dev interviews. this was later retconed in origins for NO REASON.
2: Classic Sonic is from a different dimension in forces because the classic in forces is the one from mania. mania is a branch in the timeline created by the events of sonic generations. so basically, sonic generations happens, the classic from that game goes to mania, and then that classic gets thrown into forces, after forces he gets back and mania adventures (encore mode) happens.
That's not a thing anymore, Classic Sonic is once again the Sonic of the past, he is not from a different dimension anymore. tbf, it doesn't make sense for him to be from a different dimension in the first place.
@@banjo9158 do you have literally any source for that?
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Some people have theorized that the ‘long journey’ Sonic was on (6:08) was Sonic 4
Mephiles The Dark kinda deviates from the naming scheme too, though I suppose because he's not an animal, but simply disguising as one.
There's the conundrum of the emeralds in Superstars as they give Sonic and co. special powers, though they're not shown using said powers in later games (though I guess you could argue some of Sonic's abilities in Frontiers derive from that).
Classic and modern being in the same timeline also raises the question of where the classic characters went canonically, and why Sonic and co. never seem to speak of them. We do see missing posters for some of them in Generations, making me wonder if something bad happened to them after the classic era ended (maybe Starfall Islands' cyberspace had something to do with it?).
I think your thumbnail answers it all - there isn't one timeline, there's at least three, even before you get outside games media.
I'm pretty sure the implication is that the stuff in the Archie comics that changed the canon to be more like the games, got rid of Sally, etc... was supposed to fuse all the different canons into one a la Crisis on Infinite Earths? And since IDW follows on pretty well from that side of Archie and Frontiers/Murder follows IDW, it's safe to assume that we're not supposed to expect any continuity hiccups going forward post-reboot.
It's still a mess, especially with the films and Prime coming out, but at the very least now we can be sure that when Blaze says she's from a different dimension, she knows what she's talking about. Oh yeah, that's a weird one. In Rush Adventure it's not actually clear if, say, Sky Babylon is meant to be Babylon Garden from Riders. And the whole islands premise with all the fire/heat allusions isn't all just a big global warming metaphor. Point being, if you want to dig Sonic somehow keeps getting weirder.
Honestly I think Blaze being from an alternate universe. She's an alternate version of sonic, she has her own elemental abilities, her own chaos emeralds, and her own master emerald (sapphires)
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I saw an image on Twitter that said that sonic from the "past" in generations diverges to another dimension after the events of generation, and that the modern sonic from nowdays is the canon one.
It's basically like the SCP foundation timeline. Either everything is canon, nothing is canon, or there is no canon and everything is on fire.
Rouge is 18 that's good to know needed to hear that
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Nack the Weazal was the localized name, it was always Fang in JP
The way I see it, Classic Sonic is technically from another dimension. Let me explain. The events of Generations caused the timeline to diverge into two, one is the main "modern" timeline and the other is the new "classic" timeline. So the timeline Classic Sonic comes from can be referred to as a different dimension if it's parallel to the modern timeline.