Winchester Wildcat .22 LR Rimfire Ammo Review - Has It Really Improved? My Browning Hates It!
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- I have been disappointed with Winchester rimfire ammo for a lot of years but has the quality improved since the last ammo shortage? Watch as we test this Wildcat ammo through one rifle and four handguns. One of my handguns really doesn't like this ammo.
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I’m 74 and can’t do a lot of things I want to do anymore. Have a hard time walking. I sure enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Hello James. My son and I really enjoy making these videos and I'm happy to hear that you enjoy watching them. Take care and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
God bless you sir.
Just letting people know if you don't live in the Las Vegas Valley at 8:00 a.m. can already be over 100° but these guys are actually going on in the desert and from what I see of the area it's already over a hundred degrees
I’m in the same boat as you James. Just a year younger.
I'm going to turn 70 this year and walking is a lot harder than it used to be. I can relate.
even 100 years later. browning and Winchester still have problems with each other.
I think you hit it on the head 👍😁
You folks are the best, Always excited when I get the Mixup notifications. You fellas stay hydrated, Live long and continue to prosper. 🖖
Good morning beesod6412. Hydration is extremely important and we drink lots of water and Gatorade when we are out making our videos. Unfortunately my son and I probably won't make too many videos over the next several months due to the excessive heat during July and August. You also live long and prosper 👍👽
First .22LR ammo I ever shot was a box of Winchester Wildcat roundnose lead my Dad bought me. 8-years-old and I can’t remember the make of the firearm, but it was a bolt-action rifle.
My intro to shooting and now in my mid-60s and still shooting. Every so often I’ll buy a box of Wildcat in honor of my Dad, who I still miss.
My dad bought me a Marlin Glenfield Model 60 .22 rifle for Christmas when I was a young teenager in the early '70s and Wildcat was probably the first ammo I shot threw my new rifle. I also think of my dad and that old .22 rifle every time I shoot Wildcat ammo. Thank you for the awesome comment.
Mixup is one of my favorite youtubers. Lots of honest information. Good marksmanship. Beautiful scenery.keep up the great work.
I'll add that his reviews land well with the common man. No $3000 voltquartzen or $7000 bougie 2011s. Not that there is anything wrong with that, just not my thing.
I've found polishing the chamber & feed ramp on every 22lr firearm is a must to insure less finnicky about ammo selection. Excellent reviews mixup and son!!!
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Used to buy a brick of Wildcat at my local general store for $5; not consistent or accurate but made for a fun day of plunking with my Winchester lever gun
Damn........
I thought I was doing well to buy ammo at $3 a packet (50) 40 years ago. (Mind you, ammo has always been "a LOT more expensive" in Australia than USA. I stopped shooting when I couldn't get change out of $100 for a brick.
@@OhSoddit ammo is more expensive than ever! I don't shoot very often anymore
I remember when it was .79 a box. We only ever shot it in bolt actions, though.The grown-ups told us audi-maticks were a waste of ammo!
Aah, the old Winchester Wildcat. I remember shooting these, plain lead though in the late 70's. Found a brick of them in the wellhouse on the farm and thought they were old and forgotten. Shot a box of them every time I went ground squirrel hunting. Then one day Dad comes in the house ranting about his .22 shells! Oops.
Similar story - except it was beer 🍻
Thanks for the 22 reviews recently, MixUp. Nearly every home that has firearms, has at least one 22LR. This nation is riding a fast train toward chaos and violence. Whether you’re a conspiracy theorist and believe there are forces behind the chaos, or just feel like it’s a natural/organic phenomenon, does not matter. That being said, because of the sheer numbers of 22LR firearms, reliability of ammo is going to become critical to many good people. I’ve been paying close attention to your ammo reliability vids, as well as your platform vids. Good lookin out, MixUp!
Shot at 100 yards on Friday with my Savage Mark II with a 4 X 12 scope and was getting 5 shot 1" groups.
With a can, quiet sniping.
Some ammo just doesn't work in semi-autos. That's why I also have single shots, bolt actions, and revolvers. The ammo gets used one way or another.
I agree 100%.You need 5 or more .22s to make sure. They all are finicky with certain ammo. My 86 Buckmark only likes golden bullets. The other doesn't care. Two Taurus TX 22s. Ruger single ten. Ruger wrangler. Two 10/22s. A CZ 452 bolt. A Ranger 36 (Marlin 80), sold by Sears in the 1930s. I'm probably forgetting one or two. But that ammo is getting used somehow!
I've had such good luck with CCI, Remington and Federal that I'm sticking with them
Thanks for another great rimfire video...from Southern Nevada !
Winchester needs to step up their rimfire ammunition game.
Lots of companies need to work on their quality control. How do you make something that works perfectly for 40+ years and then suddenly forget? 🤔
Many years ago, I picked up a .22 Browning Challenger ll pistol, that gave me problems from the beginning. Failure to feed, stovepipe, failure to eject. Didn't matter what ammo I used. Needless to say, got rid of it. Great video! Thanks for posting.
I love and buy Winchester ammo of all kinds. The 22lr and 22mag ammo has been problematic at times when other brands fed perfectly
Great video. I have a Ruger 22 Charger which is a blast to shoot. I only use CCI or Aguila ammo. Never had a problem. I did have a magazine problem on a BX 25. Took it apart, thanx to a youtuber, worked perfect.
I also have a pair of Keltec P17's and I had the same luck with the Win 22M ammo as you experienced with your Browning with the wildcat. Up to that point, my keltecs shot just about anything I fed it, that is until I was bragging on them with friends and opened a container full of the Win 22M ammo. I have one in the green that did a little better than my black one. The black keltec was about identical to your Browning. My best ammo across the board is the CCI with the AR image on the box. That CCI has the best pattern. I do love my Keltec P17's. Thanks for your videos! Also enjoy seeing your son with you on this. My son works with me in our metal fab shop so I know the feeling! And it is great!! Keep it up!
My best ammo across the board is also CCI and I've never owned a .22 rimfire that didn't like Mini Mag ammo. You are very fortunate to have your son working with you in your shop. My son works full time and I usually only see him one day a week. You are a lucky man. Thank you for being a five year subscriber to my channel and have a great Sunday.
Always a great Saturday when mixup98 posts a video
I think a lot of companies manufactured some sloppy stuff trying to keep up with insane demand between 2020 and 2022.
I absolutely agree with you. I bought a few boxes of CCI poly coated .22 ammo during that time frame and it was horrible, which really surprised the hell out of me.
I have a Ruger Mark IV that doesn’t like Aguila Super Extra 22. So I totally understand your point about the nature of rimfire pistols.
Thus far, my MkIV loves CCI mini mag 40gr, so I've just been feeding it that since I got it.
All my semi auto pistols love Aguila super extra, but my s&w 317 and 43c hate it! The cases stick on the aluminum cylinders. It’s fine in all my revolvers with steel cylinders!
It’s great ammo and goes on sale cabelas and sportsman’s warehouse for really cheap!
Cheers!
With the right .22 rifle and ammo, you can get pretty good long range accuracy. I was out to the range on Friday with my Savage Mark II .22 bolt action that an old Bushnell 4 X 12 with adjustable parallax.
I hung some targets at 100 yards and after dialing in the elevation shot a 5 shot 1" group and another 5 shot group that was 1.25".
I tried a few brands of ammo, but CCI standard velocity shot the best so I didn't need expensive target ammo to get these results.
So don't underestimate the long range potential of a properly set up .22.
I was still on the old bird site when Winchester announced they were coming back out with their Wildcat ammo. I commented back then that I wish they would bring back the Dynapoint ammo, as that is what I preferred to use when I was shooting rimfire Bullseye competitions and was very happy with it back then (and it was way cheaper than Eley) while Wildcat had a bad reputation. Winchester responded to me that the new version of Wildcat was, in fact, the old Dynapoint. Looks to me like it is more like the old Wildcat with a Dynapoint bullet, which is what the box now says it is.
I shot an Appleseed 25m clinic last weekend using a 10/22 like yours in the video. The ammo I used was CCI Blazer. Of the 400 rounds I shot, I had zero malfunctions and had many one hole 3-shot groups using a sling for support. Rifle and ammo performed great. It's just the lugnut behind the scope that was a bit rusty and threw some shots when they counted the most. (CCI used to have the ammo specs on their website and they had Blazer with identical ballistics as Mini Mags)
I have the new Wildcat .22 LR rifle from Winchester. It's all polymer except the barrel, bolt and some small parts like screws and spring. There's a button thay releases the Fire Conteol Unit so you can easily clean and reassmble the gun. The FCU has the bolt, trigger assembly and magwell. It's super light weight.
I used to own a Winchester Wildcat .22 rifle and it was a great shooter. I like that it extremely reliable, accurate and uses Ruger 10/22 magazines. Here is the review I did on my Wildcat rifle: th-cam.com/video/xtrjOoeF7Sk/w-d-xo.html
Rim fire is just what it is ! To me it’s not near as reliable as any center fire cartridge. Have a Blessed Day 🇺🇸
I've had increased accuracy for less cost with CCI Blazer ammo. My local shop tells me that Blazers are CCI Minimag propellant with CCI Standard Velocity slugs. The perfect combo for me and my Savage 64FSS. For me in Canada, 5000rds for $450CAD. Decent 🤓
Thanks for that test. You faired better than I did the last time I tried Wildcat ammo, but that was several years ago and I don't know how old my ammo was as it was given to me. I watch the loss-leader sales so I'll try Wildcat again.
Thanks for another great video! I'm glad you didn't poop on the ammo! I completely agree about some guns liking certain ammo and some not so much! I do appreciate your channel! You are the ones that told me about the shorty shell device for my Maverick 88!
I'm extremely happy that the Wildcat ammo performed well enough that I didn't have to poop on it 😁
Hello Sir, Great seeing you two today. Sorry I got busy tractoring and didn't get to drop a comment till after 10:pm.
But I'm glad to see you still like your KelTec P17, that's my favorite .22LR pistol in my own collection. You have a few in your collection that I have never had the privilege to shoot. Stay hydrated and stay blessed. :)
Another great review, thanks for sharing.
You bet!
Thanks for the video, I thoroughly enjoyed it
Thank you to you & Ed for sharing the vid. The velocity variances were pretty wide, esp in the Ruger pistol. I tend to buy the bulk packs of .22lr when they're on sale, & so far I haven't ran across any that’s seriously bad. It does take me while to go through it, & I have some Browning (made by Winchester) that isn't aging well.
You probably remember that I did a review on Browning .22 ammo (Winchester) and I wasn't very impressed with it. I've always had good luck with bulk Aguila .22 ammo, and recently Remington has been very good.
Thanks Mixup and son! I believe you gave the ammo a fair shake. I’ve had similar experience as you in the past with Winchester wildcat ammo. I used this ammo in my 22 revolvers. Sometimes this was the only 22 ammo I could find so I bought it.
Thanks for the reviews!! Happy to hear you enjoy the Kel-Tec! Nicely done.
You bet!
Me too since I just bought one. Haven't yet gotten to the range.
@@mkshffr4936 Let me know how you like your Kel-Tec!
@@johng.4959 Will try to. May be a little bit before I can get to the range.
@@mkshffr4936 Great! Enjoy! I'm interested in knowing how it operates. I'm very close to making a purchase and it's between the P17 & TX22. Thanks!
I have a plethora of 22's. Federal and CCI are my favorites.
I was looking for a Winchester wild cat ammo review for a long time as is my favourite 22lr and always my first choice as lm a long time user, I’m glad that I’m your loyal subscriber 😀👍
My son and I thank you for being a loyal subscriber and we hope you have a safe and enjoyable weekend.
I’ve had great luck with Winchester m22
Great video! I like the Remington, CCI, Winchester, and Aguila.
Good plinking ammo. I agree. Now you have me wanting to dig out my Buckmark and dust off the boxes of Wildcat on my shelf.😉
I'm sure your Buckmark would love to get back out to the range and have a few rounds put through it. Please let us all know how the Wildcat ammo performs in your Browning.
My brother's 10-22 take down is heavily fouled by the Thunderbolt. Fouled so much the barrel is completely clogged.
My 10-22 eats every kind, including the Thunderbolt. But I avoid the Thunderbolt due to fouling.
The Fiocchi is inaccurate. S&B is pretty good. The CCI Stinger is best
That slab side Browning Buck Mark is neat, my friend had a standard camper model that was failing to work right, I looked it over and the top cover screws were both loose. I took it apart and cleaned/oiled it and thread locked the screws then it ran like a champ.
I love the videos you guys post, just good American fun.
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Another great video and presentation! Thanks to you both!
God bless all here. 😊😊😊😊
Another great video thanks the Pladoh was a great idea we like using a bag of flour it's just over a dollar It makes a nice white cloud every time you hit it
I just might have to buy a bag of flour....thanks for the heads-up.
Still cool enough to be out, I see. Here in Appalachian Ohio we have 95 degrees today! Enjoy your videos!
My son and I get out about 7:00 am and we are usually done shooting our video by 9:30am. Even at 9:30 the temperature is close to 100 degrees! Stay cool my friend.
Good video explaining that some 22lr ammo just wont work in some guns. Not the guns or ammos fault, just rimfire action
That only pertains to semi-autos. My lever, bolt and pump .22 rifles cycle them fine. Revolvers work fine as well. I have found semi-auto .22s to be problematic.
My dad had a whole ammo can of the old lead rounds. 50 round boxes just stacked up
Nice Video! I shoot the Winchester Wildcat out of my Ruger 10/22s and I have good luck with it. Just plinking with the kids.
I live in Phoenix and it is way too hot… I am happy to see your videos, you are out in the heat! Thank you!
Good video mixup.
Great video guys,
Years ago I used to hunt small game with Winchester Super X .22lr ammunition. I purchased a couple hundred rounds recently and it doesn't group well at all from the same rifle I've been using all these years.
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The Buckmark has a tight fitting match chamber and those Wildcats are just not meant for that.
I would maybe try Wildcat again, but I haven't shot it in probably 30 years, it used to be fairly accurate, but I would get a lot of under powered rounds, a LOT. Only shot it to begin with because it was cheap.
Thanks for the video. I have shot Winchester in the past and not been happy with it. Maybe i will try some again sometime. 😀👍
Great videos especially on 22lr, miss the star trek entrance
Thanks for the review. The lack of accuracy at 30 yards is not acceptable. Then the failures to cycle. 😞
I tried the thunderbolt ammo and I fired about 150 rounds through my sw22. I literally had lead that had oozed and solidified at the end of my barrel. I use golden bullets now for the price, but prefer Aguila copper plated.
The old ruger auto pistol I have one my dad purchased in 1955 ,still looks new
I hate Winchester. Like you, I have a number of 22LR pistols and rifles. I have had so many failures with Winchester Wildcat ammo that I designated it "Revolver Food". I agree that you have to find out which rounds it will eat. CCI Mini Mags, A22 and Remington Thunderbolt tend to be my most reiable 22 LR ammo. Taurus TX 22 seems to eat anything. Like you, I do like my KelTec P17. I even used that gun to qualify for my Conceal Carry permit.
Nice Shooting Mixup & Son 😊😀😊👍🏼
Thank you Chris....have a great weekend!
Great concentration with that bug flying around at the beginning, like those pistols. Thanks
I didn't even notice the bug. Guess I'm used to them 😁
Thanks for the interesting and informative video. I have a carton (500 rounds) of the Wildcats that must be 40 years old by now. As I recall, I paid $10.00 for it.Times have sure changed, huh? I keep telling myself I should shoot it, but since I discovered CCI MiniMags, that’s all I shoot any more.
Good times like always! 👍👍👍👍👍
I have a Taurus 942 magnum ultra light. Fired at the range and the only ammo I had trouble with was Hornady ballistic tip. Couple of fail to fire and were hard to eject.
Thanks for the videos , i haven't bought 22 ammo for awhile but have around 1200 rds, from early 80's -s/l/lr- have my dads Remington 552 manufactured in 1957 it's in very good condition, also stepfather's Marlin model 60 w/ gold trigger and gold medallion ( if that's correct) walnut, I'm getting a Remington model 592 5mm, ( can't remember if i told you that in the past) do you have a 5mm or know someone who does that you could do a video on ? Keep up the good work and stay cool us older folks can't handle the heat like we used to.
when the case physical characteristics meet the gun extractor, a place where it is not always found to be in agreement. You are right to not count it against the ammo. If the ammo spec on the casing were to change just a tad as in dimension or shape of the rim it may solve the problem for the Browning, but then not do so well in another gun. One thing I would suggest, while I am sure that your browning is clean and does well with other ammo you could be surprised to find that the extractor function is actually on the ragged edge of failing and it is doing so because the wildcat ammo dimensions and shape are just far enough different than other ammos that the extractor is just not getting a grip. Shooting sure keeps a guy on his game, seems always something to have to be addressed.
Would like to have seen a Heritage revolver.
Yep cool box, cooler video! Thanks, thumbs up ~John
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How funny just recently I was sorting through my .22 and noticed half a box of Wildcat from the `70`s. It worked fine.
Was waiting for you to say "And of course the Sig 522" when showing the guns you would be testing the .22 ammo with.
in my experience Winchester is slightly larger in diameter than all the other 22 ammo I've tried and some guns wont even chamber the rounds. I have tried several old revolvers that I can't even force the rounds into the cylinder it is so bad, and even if I could I doubt I'd be able to get them out afterwards. But this is the only brand that is consistently out of spec. I've shot Aguila, Remington, Federal, CCI, and a bunch of other brands and all of them seem to be fine but the Winchester just is too big.
I fully agree with you. Their ammo tends to run on the fat side. Same issues with a 1971 Glenfield Mod 60 rifle. Drop the bolt and many rounds would not fully chamber. I measured several with a micrometer and had so many different measurements I gave up on Winchester rimfire completely.
They did chamber in my Henry 22 pump, mainly because of the extra power of the action's movement. However, now and then you'd feel some resistance. Eventually shot all that ammo up and never bought more.
My buddy picked up some of this ammo , we had a few failures to cycle the action . His tx22 and sr22 had issues but his kel-tec p17 and ruger target ran fine. Did the play dough smell like it used to? Always good to see you out together.
The play dough did smell like it used to. I should have taken it home and made biscuits with it 😁
Very good video, thanks for sharing
I picked up a Taurus TX22 earlier this month and went out to shoot it after wiping out all the gunk and adding some lubricant. It did not like Remington Golden Bullet hollow points or CCI mini mags. It did like standard velocity CCI 40 grain lead and surprisingly Monarch 40 grain lead standard. Still have Winchester Silvertip, Federal Punch, Thunderbolt Federal 36, Federal Target Grade, and some Norma Tac-22. I put a total of a bit over 200 rounds that session and will likely try some of the previously mentioned again as time point. Anyway, will probably grab a few books of CCI standard in the meantime.
I have a feeling that your TX22 will shoot Mini Mag just fine now that you have put over 200 rounds through it. Mine has run flawlessly after a short break-in period.
Great video, awesome folks and seemingly decent ammo (surprisingly 🤷♂️) ...
💥🔫🤠 Yeehaw !
I concur with your Yeehaw !
Hey Mix (I'm gonna start calling you ".22Mix...) :) LOVE my Ruger 10/22! I've owned many of them and every one was a gem. Fabulous 22's. For any business work (hunting, serious target, defense...) I use CCI minimags exclusively. BUT, as you know, plinking is ESSENTIAL for training and....fun! I'll shoot any 22 ammo in that sitch. It is nice if they work well tho...
Keep up the good work and please...some more Mix and son nature themed vids.
Well now this was a interesting video and my favorite type of testing is with the tried and true 22LR ammo. I have shot about every type of bulk ammo that there is through my Smith& Wesson m&p 1522,Sig Sauer p322 Taurus tx22 competition and My Taurus tx22 Gen 2. All of these above mention 22LR guns have no problems at all with bulk ammo.
I'll stick with CCI, just like guns, buy the best that you can afford. Thanks for sharing.
More ammo reviews!
I want a mix tape of mixup98 desert .22 ricochets! Pew-pew!! 👍
Dirty ammo that leaves a lot of residue is also a downside to some stuff. I found CCI to be cleaner than Remington in my limited shooting experience.
I would recommend anyone who is on a tight budget and wanted a cheap pistol to look at that 22 Taurus just reviewed. Fun reliable cheap weapon. Thanks for another honest review.
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I've seen some gun tubers have lots of under powered rounds of these.These ran pretty consistent tho. Still I just try to avoid any Winchester ammo of any caliber. If you're lucky you'll get a mediocre box of ammo. Might get utter crap tho.
I have found that the browning doesn't like it if the oal is slightly more or the projectiles are heavily waxed they tend to hang up in the magazine.
Awesome video nice guns thanks for sharing mixup98 and son
Only CCI for me maybe some Fiocchi here and there !!
You mentioned CCI AR-TAC and Thunderbolt ammo, but didnt comment on the clean up.
Ive never had an issue with Thunderbolt reliability, but man thats some dirty ammo.
After all these years, Winchester still is not ( apparently ) listening to the buyers like us, out here who still pay good money for their sub-standard rimfire ammunition.
I just can't trust this brand and unlike you 'mixup98', I simply don't trust this obviously poor quality rimfire ammunition.
These videos are always information AND entertaining, and for this, I thank you ( plural ) .
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I recently purchased Winchester 22LR ammo and am very disappointed in its performance. I had failures in guns I have never had a failure to fire or eject.
Sorry to hear that Jim. I ordered my Wildcat ammo three weeks ago from a large retail distributor and I'm confident that it was recently manufactured. I hear that Remington recently changed their priming compound, which has helped a lot with reliability, and maybe Winchester recently changed their primer recipe too.
Take that cool box and fill it up with Remington thunderbolts. Lol
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Older Wildcats were 40 gr lead
That retro 10/22 is gorgeous. You were shooting at 30 yards; is this the distance you like having the scope sighted in at?
When I was younger and hunted small game my scope would usually be sighted in at about 50 yards. Today I find that 30 yards is a good distance to test plinking ammo.
@@mixup98 Awesome! Thanks for the dad-vice! ❤️
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Dangerous old man, I salute you👏🏻😂
Heck, I'm not dangerous. I'm just a humble, cool, good looking old grandpa 👍😁
@@mixup98 Just kidding, dude. I have been following you for more than a year and admire the diversity you offer
@@firas820 I know you were just kidding. I do want to thank you for following my channel. Have a great Sunday my friend.
Good video. I'd buy the Wildcat ammo.
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I am a CCI lover and I only use other brands in revolvers. I can depend on CCI to work in my automatics.
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That’s funny…my Buckmark is not finicky at all….cycles every brand of .22lr I’ve used.
Great presentation in my strange state unless you shoot at a bonified shooting range. Lead free ammo the law, when shooting outdoors. Limited market for lead free .22 ammo CCI, and Norma in my area with .30 grain bullets moving at 1700 + fps love to see you test this ammo.
Also in my golden state starting July1, 2024. All ammo and fireams purchases will have an additional 11% special tax in addtion to city sales tax which varies in Californa. So in my city Camarillo, you will pay 7.25% plus 11% = 18.25 % on top of all the other fees! 😢 bring back old days ugh!.
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Never had any luck in my autos for dependable feed .now my pump Rossi loves them an ill tell ya dynapoint don't put em down like mt beloved silver 333 s
It is just like you said "Its cheap plinking ammo" nothing more nothing less and it will always have flyers ..... I myself don't like or buy winchester/Remington rimfire ammo ..... As always mixup nice video showing us you having some fun with your son.
Thank you swapping ammo after such an extreme failure to operate in the Buckmark. As a daily shooter this level of failure with a specific gun/ammunition combination is pretty normalized.
I have a Taurus PT22 that's kinda like your Buckmark.. but in the opposite direction, lol. It only likes CCI Mini Mags. I've tried Federal Punch, Stingers, Wildcats, and pretty much everything else in it. It either won't feed or will not extract. 100% reliable with the Mini Mags. It's weird.
I don't know if I have ever used Wildcats or not but have never had issues with high velocity Winchester .22 or a couple of bricks of the M-22.
After watching this I'm not sure I will buy any Wildcat.
Those Rugers are good. I had a standard pistol with red eagle (griffon) and 1950 parts price list in the box. Went with ex wife, but great gun.
Sorry to hear about the lose of such a great collectable pistol.
@@mixup98 hey, this marriage is infinitely better.😄
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