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I wish the 22Mag would have become as popular as the LR. The first firearm I bought when I left active duty in the Marine Corps was a Winchester M94-22M. In the store, I picked it up and threw it in my shoulder and those sights lined up so good I was amazed. Not to tip my hand to the store clerk, I laid it back down on the counter and walked around a bit, then, came back to it, picked it up and those sights fell right back in line and I was in love! That thing dispatched quite a few groundhogs and in good fashion. Our youngest son at age 11 or so used the same firearm to dispatch his first groundhog! Love the cartridge too.
Have you ever heard of the 22WRF?
Yes I have. Somebody was producing the 22 WRF a few years ago.
@@hrfunk My cousin had a pump 22WRF rifle. Can’t remember what brand it was though.
I had issues with cci too. I never had problems with Hornady, specially with my 480 Ruger. Keep up the good work, makes me wanting to buy the M&P 22 magnum. GOD BLESS YOU
That is all, carry on.🇺🇸⚓
It would seem this gun and ammunition combination is, what Col. Cooper, (blessed be his name). would call " an answer looking for a question".
Nice honest review and good shooting.
Good video, Howard, THANK YOU. As you indicated, for decades I have been unwilling to use any rimfire weapon for lawful defensive purposes, due to system reliability issues. In addition, like you I have found .22LR to be more than sufficient for pest control. In the mid-1970’s, I lived in rural North Carolina, with concerns for my young daughter playing on our acreage that had a LOT of raccoons, copperheads, skunks, possums, and other critters; my inexpensive Winchester rifle and bulk, cheap .22LR eliminated this issue quite easily.
Another excellent review. I own exactly one .22 Magnum, a Ruger Convertable Single Six. It has never been fired with the magnum cylinder. Between my ambivilance toward the cartridge and the cost, I simply have no interest in it. I won't criticize those who like it but it just doesn't do anything for me.
I bought the Walther version of this gun just before S&W announced this one. For my Walther WMP, its favorite ammo is the CCI Maxi Mag 40 gr JHP or TMJ. Hornady 30 gr vmax has noticeably softer recoil and will not reliably cycle. I agree .22 Magnum is not the best defensive caliber, though its better than a sharp stick. My WMP is a fun range gun, and rides in a chest rig for woods/ trail walks. Not worried about Bears where i live. Mostly for Coyotes and other vermin.
My Keltec PMR 30 had all kinds of issues when I first got it. I almost gave up on it. Spent a bunch of money on M*CARBO upgrades and it finally runs.
Meanwhile my 1959 Ruger Single Six has never had an issue with 22 magnum.
My Kel Tec PMR30 had lots of problems initially. I asked the store I bought it from to return it to the factory, and since it came back it has been very reliable. The magazines are difficult to load correctly, so I am not using it much these days. I have a new model Ruger Single Six that I bought in the 1970’s. It really has a great trigger, and because it has a 6.5 inch barrel, the calculated energy with .22 magnum is relatively high (207 ft. lbs. if I recall correctly)
I couldn't agree more with your evaluation of the cartridge and I can't imagine buying a . 22WMR autoloader in either a pistol or rifle.
It sure is a gas to do a 30 round mag dump. Fun. Expensive but fun.
I'm just not a mag-dump person I guess. Still, if you enjoy it, I hope you always have plenty of ammo.
To be sure, accuracy is paramount and a mag dump isn’t the way to achieve that. However, .22 auto loaders can be very picky eaters with their ammo. I’ve found one good way to find ammo preferences is to load a few FMJ’s then a hollow point, more FMJ’s, a different hollow point until the mag is full. Keep track. Then do the mag dump, stoppages indicate ammo that may be problematic. I guess I should have expounded more and not given the impression of a wild out of control range bozo. The mag dump does serve a purpose for me, and, yeah, it is fun.
Nice review! I used to have a S&W 351PD. It's gone, but the ammo is still around. This pistol could help with that. I like the clean sight picture, too. 👍👍
Perfect timing! I am considering purchasing it.
I have one of these. It has been flawless so far. It has a few hundred rounds so far. It also makes a nice fireball at night
Not a 7 yard oil drum driver, either! I won't be rushing out to buy one of these... wasn't likely to anyway, but I know Howard can shoot so... !!!
Short break in period ,running smooth with no issues , Ran 3 full mags three times with no issues. Invest in a loader ,try eday. Running Hornady 22 Magnum 30 Grain V-Max. Putting a Olight with green laser on it and planning for it to be my EDC
Thanks for this review, I have seen some others on the Smith & Wesson 22 magnum semi-auto that is out now. The revolver 648 6-inch barrel does not jam using different 22WMR cartridges and shoots very well :)
Cool video ,I do like those sights . But I’m still using 357 mag for defense purposes. I agree .22 lr is good enough for varmint . And yes the old m@p trigger the 2 piece felt better and had a cleaner break !
Many Thanks
My pleasure.
Thanks to your video review it has been adopted as the standard service arm of the Elbonian Army.
Think Ian will do a video on it?
That might be a few years from now.
@@tomtruesdale6901 I don't know. It isn't exactly a forgotten weapon, but perhaps it should be.
KelTec makes the PMR in .22 WMR. This has had issues on and off for years.
22 mag from a 5 - 6 inch barrel runs close to 22lr from a rifle. I'd love to see it tested for accuracy benched at 25 yards with an optic. Might make a decent squirrel gun if the accuracy is there.
Give the new triggers some break-in time. My Shield Plus took about 300 rounds to smooth out & I've shot several sub 2 inch groups at 20 yards since then. But they can be a little rough when new.
Brother Funk, I'm glad to see another vid from you! I love the 22 mag. Keep up the good work. Greetings from from KY.
Thanks! Will do.
I believe that is the same grip they use for their 5.7. A 1x4 board of a grip I do not like. If I were going for 22 mag I would get a revolver. More reliable. I appreciate the test and agree with your assessment.
I tried several semi auto 22 magnum handguns and never really got the results I wanted out of them so I got the Taurus 942M 3 inch barrel 8 shot revolver and it runs great! It’s definitely less capacity but it’s a lot more reliable and enjoyable experience! I upgraded it with Houge Lamo Camo grips and Ameriglo night sights and it’s accurate and throws huge fireballs!
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Thanks for re-subscribing. Dealing with youtube is a constant struggle.
Work on a Saturday womp womp gunna miss the live. Hope everything and everyone is doing well
Very good test and review. I use 22 WMR in a Ruger Single Six - it's fun. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
The more time I spend with rimfire cartridges, the more I think that they're best in revolvers and bolt-action rifles for any serious purposes. For training in how to deal with malfunctions, everyone should have a rimfire semiautomatic pistol.
I think their best home is in revolvers and rifles (bolt or lever) as well.
Definitely agree. I understand it has to be longer to accommodate the rounds but sheesh maybe they could have filled in a few places or added some grip groves or something it seems like one of their less engineered designs. Top end is kinda cool with the cutouts and rail, trigger looks nice. Kinda reminds me of a fancier slide swapped old kimber double stack 45
The Tempo barrel system was designed for the 5.7 x 28 cartridge. Using the gas operating system for a less powerful cartridge may lead to cycling issues
The system is somewhat different in the 22 Magnum. I suspect S&W tried to optimize the system for it.
it was this or my sig 322, i chose sig 322 since i love shooting cheaper but i love the extra power in the 22 mag though and have a Ruger Lcrx 22 mag 6 shot snub, has a 1 7/8 inch barrel and light with fast draw from concealment, the gun even with short barrel i got it up to 123 ft/lbs beating my Browning buckmark 22 with 5.5 inch barrel i got to max out at 117 ft/lbs, even though short barrels lose volocity they still do good, 30 grain v max is a loud fireball, size of a soft ball, some times i think its bark is worse then its bite, it gets people on range outdoor or indoor thinking its a 357 magnum, and for that reason any defense situation it will spook attackers thinking its a 357 magnum when its just faking it
thanks Chief bless you and your family
Thank you!
Good morning HR. Is the multi piece barrel operating system anything like the floating chamber in the Colt Ace 22 conversion for the 1911? They would gum up pretty quickly. Black target sights may give better groups. The fiber optic seems more minute of water bottle desperado. Haven't seen them lately, your reputation must have scared them away.😂
I'm not sure how the Ace worked, but this one was clean to start with and it had a malfunction 3 rounds into testing. I meant to mention that cleaning the gas system (ie barrel/gas rings & sleeve) is another requirement for this pistol. By the way, I hear the desperados will be making an appearance soon. they never learn!
On the Ace the chamber was a 2 diameter section that fit into the back of the barrel. It's held by a tab at the bottom that allows a small amount of rearward motion. It acts like a short stroke piston with enough force to push back the steel slide. It also increased recoil to feel more like a larger cartridge. Most conversion units now have a lightweight aluminum slide that operates with simple straight blowback.
Five or six years ago, I got all excited about the Rock Island .22 Mag 1911. I am so glad there are gun channels on TH-cam to spare my bad decisions. RIA wants you to use Armscor ammo because it is nickel plated, by the way. Apparently that made little-to-no difference to the firearm; jamming was the most consistent result. Every test I watched had the same problem and I decided to use rimfire in rifles and revolvers. Oh well, .22 Mag is nearly the same price as .45ACP anyway.
Thank you for the review
My pleasure!
Your description of the operation reminds me of the Colt 1911 Ace .22 system.
someone else said the same thing.
👍👍Thanks HR
Try the Walther, i have good luck with mine.
Kel-Tec has the PMR 30 which has been out for years and mine works fine Kel- Tec recommends CCI that is all I have used .
Good afternoon, HRFUNK and family. Yea. Seems like an ok pistol for maybe getting some shooting time in and without the cost of buying 9mm, 45acp, or 10mm ammo. Yes, on the feeding issues. I've seen it on every TH-camr review on it. Maybe try loading the magazine's to full capacity and leaving them fully loaded for a few weeks. Maybe that will settle the springs some. A guess
Someone else will have to determine that. I’ve already returned the one I used for this video.
@@hrfunk Good evening, HRFUNK and family. Just not your glass of Jim Beam and coke. Huh. I understand. Some firearms are just like that.
HR thanks for doing this range review on this pistol. I was close to buying one but frankly I think I’ll pass. I have a Ruger Super Wrangler in .22mag/ combo .22 LR cylinder and that works very well. Since 22WMR is sort of problematic for defensive use I’ll stick with it for coyote or other varmint elimination purposes.
I think that's a wise choice.
I like the Kel-tec PMR 30 .22 Mag the 369 price TAG is JUST too high for me for a rim fire if it was 269, I would get one, they have a 16" carbine also if the barrel was 20", I would buy one but not for that price of 635 .
I have some experience with the keltec 22 mag pistol. mounted a dot for a friend and the gun wouldn't cycle . ended up removing it . I would go with a PSA 5.7 before the 22 mag .
Just FYI, S&W is producing a 5.7 that's very similar to this 22 Magnum version.
@@hrfunk ya I know . I guess I am spoiled with having a PSA here in the Charlotte area You can by online and store pickup with no FFL fees.shot the Rock 5.7 ran fine and for way less than the smith
Nice review. I remember being at indoor range shooting on the end right on the wall. I shot 22 mag and my ears were ringing instantly somehow my electronic ear protection missed it? It's kind of loud. With the failure to chamber and failure to feed issues I thinks it's a pass. Thanks!
Even .22 LR is pretty loud indoors. It's not a bad idea to wear earmuffs over ear plugs when shooting indoors just for some added protection.
@@hrfunk I always double up inside and outside.
Seems interesting, but like you said, what do you do with it. 22WMR is more expensive than 9mm. 22WMR in a pistol from a ballistics standpoint is mostly wasted. One can tell by all the un-burnt powder left behind in the gun after firing just a magazine. Still, I imagine it would make a fun range toy for someone who has everything else. For increased reliability, I would slick it up before I ever fired it. Good review.
Well, you can tell by shooting 22 mag across a chronograph from a pistol length barrel. The round is awesome from a rifle, but from a pistol you get velocity equal to what a 22 long rifle will do from a rifle.
I love this round in rifles. I wouldn't waste my time getting a pistol in 22 mag. My S &W MP 22 RF is a fine pistol. Maybe my best one even. It eats everything, shoots great & don't blow my ears out.
I’d actually consider a m@p9 but all the ones I see come with those sky scraper sights ,do they have the new ones with normal sights anymore ?
I think so. Check the S&W website to find out for sure.
.22 mag is always a fun shooting round.
I always bring it out to let friends shoot it.
Would i carry .22 mag for defense? No.
I also like that the Grendel. 22 mag is great to practice drills. 😂
HR Funk you should do a review of the Grendel (aka. "The Gremlin") LOL
SEMPER FI
Semper Fi!
I have one of these there is a break in of 250 to 300 rounds after that mine runs flawless
Good. I’ve not heard of an M&P before that required a break in, but I’m glad yours straightened itself out.
Keltec is the other manufacturer of a 22mag semi auto.
Yep, thanks. I should have remembered that.
A gas-operated .22 magnum pistol is an interesting concept. TBH, I'm not sure what niche this pistol was intended to fill. The .22 magnum is a great small game/varmint cartridge, but for that purpose, most people would choose a rifle. I personally wouldn't choose a rimfire cartridge for self-defense because of potential reliability issues, and this pistol is as big as a 9mm, so it doesn't offer any advantage in concealability. "Because I like it" is enough justification to buy a firearm, IMO, but I don't see this pistol as having any practical purpose.
I don't know if this is relevant or not, but there were 31 shots fired from a 30 round magazine at the 23 minute mark. Could that aggravate the CCI feeding issue?
I noticed that too. Did that the extra cartridge loaded as easily as it did. It might have exacerbated the problems feeding the first round at the 15 yard standing stage, but it was not a factor in the initial failures from the bench.
i do my m&p 10mm.
Doesn't the 22 Mag have the same stopping power as 9mm?
I don't really know what the term "stopping power" means. Both the 9mm and the .22 Magnum can inflict lethal wounds. With the correct shot placement, either one can instantly "turn out the lights." With poor shot placement, both can fail to stop a determined aggressor. You'll have to ask the experts to get a more definitive answer.
On paper using 22 mag rifle velocity the energy figures may be close. But out of a handgun with the smaller, lighter bullet it's much less effective.
A short stroke gas system in a 22 mag handgun. That much complexity in a 22 of any ilk, seems overkill to me. Might be why the gun is so long...and kinda goofy looking. It just doesn't inspire any "I want it" in me.
22 mag costs approx. as much as 9mm.
Around these parts, the .22 Magnum tends to be a little more expensive.
I have one in keltec the PMR 30. With a kit in it. It's junk. I don't care for that gun at all or any Keltec firearms. This gun you're shooting is probably better made and a better gun.
Was excited to get one in my hands. When I did I was very disappointed that I was unable to get my finger in the trigger guard with out touching the trigger. WTF S&W? I love the M&P line but won't be buying this one.
One purpose I can think of for this pistol is using it as a trainer for the very similar M&P 5.7. You'd have to shoot a lot of 5.7 to make up the purchase price of the second pistol, but 22 Mag is much cheaper than even the cheapest 5.7x28mm.
In .22 mag, get a revolver
I inherited about 200 rounds of 22 Magnum ammo when my father-in-law passed away. I have no use for it unfortunately.
That’s too bad. You could probably sell it if you’re inclined to do so.
Your can mail it to me. 🤷♂️😜
@@hrfunk I probably will along with the hard to find 32 Winchester Special ammo I was given a long time ago by a friend.
Is it Kaliforniastan approved ? lol
Beats me.probably.
i won't be buying that lemon lol