@@Afrimusican hall and goats were great, excellent songs like Sarah, rich girl ect, unfortunately the biggest hit they had was maneater, the worst song they ever did, a bit like rock n roll legend Chuck berry, his biggest hit? my dingaling.
I wish this generation could go back, for a moment in time, late 70's through the mid-late 80's and witness just how big Hall & Oates were at that time. They are still that talented.
It is just very strange and sad that Hall and Oates have never won a single Grammy while much much lesser musicians (of today especially) make the award ceremony their own.
I love hall and oats heard them as a child way before Micheal Jackson as all I had was the 1 radio station half the day it was country, . Epic music sent around a team to my school to play the video to thriller , after that they finally played thriller , didn't sound as good as it did from the record with stereo headphones, a year later . The video I arrived late for , so .... anyhow no similarities between the two songs. Exactly as Daryle Hall said. These guys are soul smooth funky coffee house , really good esp Maneater , Micheal Jackson, just at another level when I first heard thriller the album, on headphones 🎧, wow its like music had been re invented , blew my socks off
I'm not saying they don't handle the situation perfectly, like real professionals should, but they also know if anyone took the case to court, they'd immediately lose. Melodies are so important in determining whether one song "ripped off" another, and no jury in the world would ever confuse one of these songs with another.
AS a founding member of THE TEMPTONES, I am honored to say that I was in the studio sitting next to Daryl when he was laying down the track for I Can't Go For That with guitarist GE Smith. Electric Lady Studios in Greenwich Village.The song was still in pieces but very funky even that way.
When will people finally understand the difference between "stolen", "sampled" and "inspired by"??? Thank you Hall & Oats for your common sense...which is unfortunately not so common!
Marsha Scott... "White singers"???????? So now only white singers steal music???? That is so fucking racist it's ridiculous. Farrell literally is who produced the song as well as Happy which is even more of an apparent ripoff of Marvin Gay than Blurred lines. I don't care if you are white, black or pink with purple dots your comment is small minded and racist.
“Everytime I write a song I think Im writing a Curtis Mayfield song.” Amazing how a true musical songwriter thinks, trying to capture the sound of a great like Mayfield but it comes out as their own classic.
Such gentlemen. Michael Jackson had thousand of random people sue him, saying he “stole their music”. It’s actually sad and inspiring to watch hours of the actual deposition of Michael put these people to shame as he spoke, sang, beat boxed and mentally went through the evolution and creation of some of his greatest music.
These guys aren't suing. Michael approached him and stated that he stole it to make billy jean...he also says that billy jean is a different song and was not really the same, so flattered but slightly confused as to why Michael would say it was stolen...
I think you got this wrong. MJ did NOT use Hall & Oates for Billie Jean but if you want to see something. Go view Hall & Oates 1st hit from 1975 called Sarah Smile and you will see the beat is VERY similar to the Jackson 5 1971 hit Maybe Tomorrow. Now that's something you can EASILY see.
Really appreciate this clip because all musicians are naturally interested in other people's music and have things they dig and it plays always in a corner of their mind. To draw on other's music as inspiration is a great thing. To steal is another. Anyone who understands music and researchs the musicians can tell the difference. These two guys are the real deal. I can go for that
One of my all-time fave Daryl Hall songs was one he never actually released as a single, but when British singer Paul Young recorded Hall's "Every Time You Go Away", it became a smash hit in the U.S. and U.K. in 1985. All of this success coincided with the "Live Aid" festivities around that time. Great memories 🤗
Daryl Hall performed that song on their 1986 album "Live At The Apollo" when they performed with Eddie Kendrick and David Ruffin of the Temptations. He announced that he would be singing it in its original arrangement which as you stated was on "Voices".
What humble, kind, and TALENTED men! They handled that question wonderfully, no backstabbing, no lying, no posturing, no dissing, just humble storytelling. They are the BEST!❤
I believe Eddie Van Halen said he was inspired by the guitar bridge in 'Kiss on My List' to write the synthesizer bridge in 'Jump'. As with the Billie Jean/I Can't Go for That bass I can absolutely hear where MJ would've been inspired by that to come up with the Billie Jean hook.
It was actually the synth part from “kiss on my list” according to what Eddie Van Halen told Daryl Hall. However come to think of it it sounds a lot more like “Dreams” than “Jump” (the beginning part of the song when the drums start). Listen to them both carefully, Dreams sounds a lot more like Kiss on my list
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I can see how the chord progression might have inspired him. I can see EVH getting on the keyboard and playing some arpeggios over that solo and saying "hey, I've got something here!"
@@billykokkinidis Eddie despite what people say about Eddie, he was generally a nice guy. He didn't even get paid for the guitar work he did for Michael Jackson, I heard him say in an interview once and didn't even seem to care. Most artists would be suing for back pay and royalties, Eddie didn't give a shit.
@@JENDALL714 eddie is a good guy. He even helped pay for jason beckers medical expenses and gave him one of his guitars. Its was a tremendous loss the day he died
Stole??? Michael said it that way to give props to H&O. And they deserve it bc i love those blue-eyed soul brothers! (Big ups to Michael McDonald & the Doobie brothers!!)
Now that's a class act up there. Speaking the truth! We forget that few ideas are new and we are inspired every day of our lives in on way or another. Rest in Peace 🤴 M.J. you gave more to the world than you got back.
People who make dresses are using someone elses' prints, and those prints probably came from a print from somewhere else. What I don't understand about QJ is that he's badmouthing MJ about doing it, but he went along with it and produced it anyway (?) What does that say about him?
Yeah, what Quincy did was take ideas from their song something that has been done a million times. Much different from actually stealing songs come on Debra.
I met John Oates out of pure randomness, thanks to my sister in law who works in the music industry here in Nashville. Most humble, down to earth, nicest guy you’ll ever meet. Funny thing is my SIL knew him from being in the music industry, she acted as if he was just another regular person while I’m over here with my jaw open to the floor screaming in my brain…..that’s John Oats!!!! 😂👍🏻
It’s so cool to see & hear John talk too! Hall & Oats are the most successful male duo EVER. Growing up every song they released went to the top - What’s cool is my dad God rest his soul is who turned me onto them we love them together and I think about him every time I hear any Hall & Oates song…. Leaves me with that nostalgic yet wanting to move/DANCE & sing along feeling… like I did with my dad. So cool. Really love their music & always admired John for being so incredibly humble.
I'm actually proud to hear this interview.usually the artist(s) bitch and sue instead of coming together..be inspired!! For MJ to be inspired by anyone is an amazing thing to hear about
I think you got this wrong. MJ did NOT use Hall & Oates for Billie Jean but if you want to see something. Go view Hall & Oates 1st hit from 1975 called Sarah Smile and you will see the beat is VERY similar to the Jackson 5 1971 hit Maybe Tomorrow. Now that's something you can EASILY see.
I went to a MLBaseball game where John Oates sang the National Anthem. I was floored! Although he rarely had the lead vocal when with H&O, if ever, he has an AMAZINGLY good voice.
You'll need a long piece of paper and a new pen to write down all of their hits. One of the most amazing musical acts to ever come down the pike. No B.S. either. Daryl Hall is one of the finest performers to ever grace a stage.
No....I think a pencil and a sharpener would do the trick. Easier to fix all the spelling mistakes you make, when your hand gets tired of all that writing...
@@jonathanmoon86 It's incredible how they managed to make killer pop tunes using R&B hooks. There is no better white boy R&B singer on the planet than Hall. Edgar Winter is the one for the blues, but R&B is all Daryl Hall.
These two guys are great, and I loved their music growing up, and still do. I don’t think they had enough recognition compared to some of the so called icons in the music world today. Only my humble opinion of course.
Copyright law is widely misunderstood, The only musical elements that can be copyrighted are lyrics and melody. You can't copyright a chord progression; thousands of songs have what are known as "Ice Cream Changes" (Unchained Melody, is just one example) and thousands more have "Rhythm Changes" (the chord progression from "I Got Rhythm") and while the songs may be in different keys, essentially the only thing unique to each are their lyrics and melody. You cannot copyright a drum beat. Every polka has the same beat, every waltz has the same beat, and ask a drummer, a Texas Two-Step is pretty much the same as a polka. The Cha-Cha is the Bo Diddley beat played backwards. You famously cannot copyright a bassline; every Rhumba has the same one. There MIGHT be a couple of exceptions, where the bassline is the hook; The Beatles Obla Di, Obla-Da, Queen's Another One Bites The Dust, and yes, Michael Jackson's Billie Jean, though if you look hard enough, you can probably find earlier examples of that, too.
Both No Can Do and Billie Jean have a flow that seems of their own, they both own you as soon as they start also MJ might have been talking about whet he called “The gravy” “The Jelly” both songs have a long build up intro before any vocals finally hit, that gave MJ the goosebumps and the goosebumps we feel when we hear Billie Jean startin is the goosebumps MJ felt upon hearing No Can Do starting, it’s an interpretation of the feeling the song created for him.
watching Daryl House opened up a whole different view of Daryl for me. He just seems like a very cool guy and down to earth and not some snobby musical genius who wrote many hit records.
@@ksteiger I'm sorry to hear that. Even so, he is an incredible vocalist. I've been listening to Hall & Oates' music from the eighties to present day. It has aged quite well. I think one element that affords it that timeless quality is Darryl's signature vocalization. There's the nostalgic, sentimental factors, taking me back to the high school years, to be sure, but when I listen to their songs today, I find myself moved - unexpectedly. And 'I Can't Go For That' STILL impresses. That baseline rocks.
Now since Quincy Jones did that interview everyone is questioning Michael Jackson's integrity as an artist. Everyone is inspired by something or someone.
@@agapereign Yeah! Wtf happened to him? Now doubt he has put together some wonderful music for generations but sounded like a mad crazy guy in that interview .
They are truly so underrated musicians.. One of the best duo.. Excelent composers, singers, daryl one the best voice all time.. So much hits mostly in 80's humble guys.. What else?? Deserve more grammys
How are they underrated ? They have had a long list of hit records . They are hugely successful. They are like the most successful R&B duo in US music history. Everybody knows who they are. Using underrated every chance you get is overrated
You can hear the inspiration for Billie Jean in I can't go for that. Then, you can hear the inspiration of Caribbean Queen from Billie Jean. Music build on other music.
Inspiration is something totally different from sampling or ripping something off. You can be inspired by someone but not use a sound similar to theirs. I could get inspired by Tolkien for writing LOTR but write a completely different story. A Sci-Fi instead of a Fantasy, while simply feeling inspired by LOTR to do so because reading it opened up my mind to creativity.
I love hall and oates and michael is great too.for michael to be inspired by them must be a great compliment. Both artists are legends. Being two "white kids"(as they put it) who grew up on soul & r&b music, You couldnt find more a talented duo besides the isley bros. than hall & oates. Theyre music is timeless .
Love Hall & Oates (Sara Smile) but man, do I miss little Michael Jackson. He had a beautiful voice at a very tender age and was born to bring music, and dance, to the world. All the greatest leave the earth too soon.
Michael did steal writing credits from everybody u could ask his producer who just came out last week saying the same thing. He was a fraud out of ideas
Hall & Oates are two of the most real down to earth honest guys on the planet. Every song is unique and sounds “Great.” They have millions of fans around the World.
Sem, No. Daryl Hall has no reason at all to lie about Michael Jackson in any way. He would have nothing to gain by doing so. He's not some 2-bit leach claiming MJ sexually abused his child for a cash settlement. He's a fellow artist who's older than MJ would have been and had/has hundreds of millions of dollars of his own. MJ doesn't need to deny or confirm anything said here because if anything, DH's claim confirms that MJ was an honest, humble, thoughtful & respectful individual who felt the need to acknowledge any similarities between "I Can't Go For That" and "Billie Jean" to DH the first chance he had when they were in studio together -- which is synonymous to an apology and actually speaks very highly of Michael Jackson perfectly corroborating his character, which is the same one displayed in many, many Michael Jackson interviews over the years. It is perfectly in-line with the way Michael Jackson has conducted himself in the past. No reason to be suspicious that DH was attempting any character assassination on MJ here WHAT SO EVER!
Sem, I really don't see any point to your first rebuttal comment or any of your comments after that. You are purely speculating and in the process suggesting Daryl Hall is lying while John Oats is compliment with those lies. Not to mention anyone else who was at the studio at the time that might confirm the story if asked to recall the session. Again, you say that you're not saying Daryl Hall is lying, but then you're suggesting he's lying because MJ never confirmed the story and there's no recording of the conversation? And how do you also know that MJ never acknowledged and/or apologized to Anderson, Vangelis, or even Donna Summer for that matter in the same informal way that he did with Daryl Hall? You don't know that he didn't. So, let me get this straight; according to you're brand of reason, everything that anyone has ever said that Michael Jackson said is a lie because MJ is not on tape saying it and he never confirmed it? It makes even less sense that DH would lie about this being that he never did, and never will need anything from MJ including an informal compliment/acknowledgment at some studio session. He would be risking his reputation by lying about such a beloved, high profile popular artist like Michael Jackson -- he would have way too much to lose.
So now you're suggesting that DH lied about MJ because anyone would believe anything negative about him. Only problem is that DH's story actually makes MJ look good & humble, not bad. Let's apply the same logic to the Jones/Anderson conversation. So how do you know for sure that Quincy Jones said what he said to Jon Anderson? Is there a tape of the conversation? Maybe they're both lying because they know anyone will believe anything negative about MJ. Also, while the bass-lines are identical only different tempos, it could have been a subconscious ripoff. I've written many songs that sound nearly identical to other stuff. Not because I purposely set out to steal someone else's material, but because it was stored in my memory and eventually came out in a different form. And again, how would you know MJ didn't do the same with Summer or anyone else even remotely involved with State of Independence? They were all huge stars, I'm sure they ran into each other at various events and were probably friends. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that MJ mentioned the same to Summer since she had success with the track. She didn't need to have written the song for it to come up in conversation. True, some high profile people might lie about MJ for whatever reason, I'll give you that. But I see no reason to believe DH lied about anything here. My original point still applies. You're calling Daryl Hall a lair through pure speculation. Now please go away. I have to go to the bathroom.
Another thing is, we only know the finished song. When MJ was writing Billie Jean, at first, it may have sounded more like I Can't Go For That, but he tweaked the song to the point that it sounded very different in the end. And maybe in the back of MJ's mind, he can still hear the similarity, hence the conversation he had with Darryl.
Michael playfully used the word "stolen", but I get what he was saying! I definitely hear the similarities in both songs...it's there! Hall and Oates' music is in my head constantly and of course Michael Jackson's music is too...they are all great!!!
Screenwriter and director Harmony Korine wrote the movie Kids at age 19. When asked where he got his inspiration he said he was just trying to write a sequel to Caddyshack.
*Eastside Low Bottoms sh*t !* _Tappin' in from South Central LA_ I used to like watching Darryl's House when it was on TV. Seeing the OG musicians come together to perform songs was pretty kool to see.
I read someplace that Michael Jackson was also inspired by Tears For Fears “Everybody Wants To Rule The World” when he produced “The Way You Make Me Feel”.
De La Soul paid for the samples and were creative with "say no go". In fact, its arguable their use of Hall and Oats sample caused many young folks at the time to reconsider music which by radio categories had relagated Hall and Oats to the dusty aging soft rock stations and the occasional classic rock...And now Hall and Oats is a main stay of astute club music and dance heads...always respecting those sounds as if they were about to get on the dance floor at Studio 54 and rock the night away.....LOL
They are 2 bad mamma jammas; in the Haight in the 60’s and 70’s, while “working” one night, the house where I was chilling out the lady of the house put on Smile Sarah Smile, then You Make my Dreams Come True; they and Michael McDonald are MY FAVORITES OF ALL TIMES;
When John began talking about the impact that Curtis Mayfield had on him, the first song that popped in my head was "Sara Smile". Have you guys interviewed Jonathan Cain regarding Prince' fear that he could get sued for borrowing the chord sequence from "Faithfully" in the composition of the *Purple Rain* title cut?
That's interesting! Reminds me of Stevie Nicks asking Prince about borrowing "Little Red Corvette" for her song "Stand back". Cool story: th-cam.com/video/8mikCI3sdlY/w-d-xo.html
It's a testament to their integrity to take Michael's comment in stride. Even if it went to court, I don't think there's nowhere near enough similarity, musically, melodically or rhythmically to warrant any copy infringement. "Truckin' Grain"..... er, uh, Hall and Oates are one of the most under rated acts in pop music, hands down.
I hear it now! Damn! But yeah, that's the 'right' way to write a song based on inspiration of another. In fact that's an established technique in songwriting, to draw inspiration from what you hear then apply your own ideas to create something new. In fact when you think about it, that principle applies to just about every human endeavor, it's fundamental to our progression.
I heard oats sing the national anthem on television filling in for Daryl Hall at a baseball game and I'm going to tell you what is one of the most amazing renditions of the national anthem I've ever heard I think that's the right word I want to use my brain don't work like it used to since my motorcycle wreck I don't know maybe does work but the same LOL anyway I was very impressed at how well oats sounded man it was great
Mike was humble he was inspired by there song so he passed them he did not steal shit !! I love hall and oats as artist and as people and I'm glad that they cleared up that misconception
MJ in his mind got inspiration, but MJ was too brilliant to steal anything from anyone. Not saying he couldn’t do it, just saying MJ would never stoop that low. He’s the damn King of Pop!
@@abc456f they never found proof idiot. It goes to show you didn’t do your research you racist jealous fool. Those were the people who hated MJ. Just like they hated MLK Jr.
Interesting tidbit: The name of the duo is/was NOT Hall & Oates. The duo is/was officially Daryl Hall & John Oates, but for simplicity sake, people - including other artists, and most notably radio DJ's - always referred to them as simply Hall & Oates. Kinda like radio DJ's referring to Guns N Roses as GNR, well sort of.
Both Songs sounds completely different and they Say MJ has Stolen this Song. I mean i watched every mj Interview and He never said that this Was his Inspiration
I love it that they give credit to those who inspired them-really appreciate the Mayfield shout-out. I saw them in concert, opening for ELO, in Lexington, KY, in 1982. They blew ELO AWAY! And I'm saying that as a 'died-to-the-wool' Jeff Lynn fan. Hall and Oates is one of my favorite bands, great musicians!
I saw them both in Tampa a couple years ago (separate shows). I thought ELO put on a better "show", but the music was =. Artists that good are hard for me to compare. Going to see H&O again next month.
@@terrybuckley1556 the ELO set I saw was the 'Time' album. A few lights, bland stage, a backdrop that looked like a cardboard cutout of a city skyline. I love ELO, and Jeff Lynn is a genius, and the music was great! But on that particular stage, on that particular night, H&O outshined them.
So MJ didn't steal a song. He drew inspiration from maybe a chord of a song by Hall & Oates. I'm glad Darryl Hall pointed out that there was no theft, even if MJ himself said he "stole" the song. "There is nothing new under the sun."
I can't get it out of my head that The Rolling Stones wrote one of their biggest hits, "You Make My Dreams Come True". Imagine Mick Jager singing it and it's unmistakable!
As musicians, we’ve all done it. But as John said, there’s a difference between being inspired compared to just flat out theft. I. E. Vanilla Ice adding a 16th note an extra note to Ice Ice Baby from Under Pressure.
Michael should have credited Hall & Oats but didn't.. by not creating his own idea & taking their's for his hit song is wrong... i don't think it was a huge deal cause it was just a beat but at least give let fans recognize who helped you a little
To Daryl and John… I love you both. Thank you for the years of Inspiration you have brought (and still continue to bring) to the Music industry and to all of us…your fans. I hope and pray that you both come to an agreement soon.🫶🏻
Wow...how humble are hall n oates..absolutely fantastic guys....i think they just "inspired" me to go listen to their greatest hits c.d..a listen i always enjoy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
40 years later, and Daryl Hall and John Oates are STILL Amazing!!!
the question is, ' I can't go for that ' can't go for what?
can't go for a crap, can't join the army, can't get out of bed, what does it mean?
And great in concert! Just saw them a few weeks ago.
Maneater is killer..
@@Afrimusican hall and goats were great, excellent songs like Sarah, rich girl ect, unfortunately the biggest hit they had was maneater, the worst song they ever did, a bit like rock n roll legend Chuck berry, his biggest hit? my dingaling.
I wish this generation could go back, for a moment in time, late 70's through the mid-late 80's and witness just how big Hall & Oates were at that time. They are still that talented.
your confused
@@kevinnoble4731 you can't spell....
@@mkat4271 sorry didn’t realize the spelling bee genius was here
@@kevinnoble4731 I guess you don't realize alot of stuff.
@@mkat4271 don’t worry I realize what you are
It is just very strange and sad that Hall and Oates have never won a single Grammy while much much lesser musicians (of today especially) make the award ceremony their own.
Unfortunatly thats nothing new been going on forever and will continue
Timing. They were competing in an era full of musical giants.
Shock: SO true!!!
Deen Ali This is an UNBELIEVABLE factoid. Talk about injustice.
I didn't know that. That's criminal
It's been 40 years since I first heard these guys and they are still my favorite band.
I respect Hall & Oates so much for keeping the MJ issue as not being such a big deal like the media makes it out to be.
Can't sell copy if it isn't sensational, they think.
You mean the kid diddling?
I love hall and oats heard them as a child way before Micheal Jackson as all I had was the 1 radio station half the day it was country, . Epic music sent around a team to my school to play the video to thriller , after that they finally played thriller , didn't sound as good as it did from the record with stereo headphones, a year later . The video I arrived late for , so .... anyhow no similarities between the two songs. Exactly as Daryle Hall said. These guys are soul smooth funky coffee house , really good esp Maneater , Micheal Jackson, just at another level when I first heard thriller the album, on headphones 🎧, wow its like music had been re invented , blew my socks off
I'm not saying they don't handle the situation perfectly, like real professionals should, but they also know if anyone took the case to court, they'd immediately lose. Melodies are so important in determining whether one song "ripped off" another, and no jury in the world would ever confuse one of these songs with another.
Listen to " Caribbean Queen" and " Like a Virgin" and tell me they didn't steal from Billie Jean
I like Hall & Oates. Their musical portfolio is friggin amazing!
Truly!!!
The guitar intro to “Sarah Smile” is killer
@@stephenfiore9960 Indeed
Just saw them in concert a few weeks ago. Still amazing!
They are STILL spectacular in concert too!
AS a founding member of THE TEMPTONES, I am honored to say that I was in the studio sitting next to Daryl when he was laying down the track for I Can't Go For That with guitarist GE Smith. Electric Lady Studios in Greenwich Village.The song was still in pieces but very funky even that way.
I bet the honor went both ways
a life I could never even imagine
GE Smith from the SNL band?
@@nuge1717 yes
My life is so boring! 😭
@@edp3202
an exciting life can be costly
there are millions upon millions of us, just like you
When will people finally understand the difference between "stolen", "sampled" and "inspired by"???
Thank you Hall & Oats for your common sense...which is unfortunately not so common!
DJ SOULCHILD I know right? Have you heard the NEW word on the street???
Mrtrilltyler Steal a dictionary.
DJ SOULCHILD when people (artists) look at it as a way to sue another artist for money. good on you Hall & Oates.
You say tomato...
Marsha Scott... "White singers"???????? So now only white singers steal music???? That is so fucking racist it's ridiculous. Farrell literally is who produced the song as well as Happy which is even more of an apparent ripoff of Marvin Gay than Blurred lines. I don't care if you are white, black or pink with purple dots your comment is small minded and racist.
“Everytime I write a song I think Im writing a Curtis Mayfield song.” Amazing how a true musical songwriter thinks, trying to capture the sound of a great like Mayfield but it comes out as their own classic.
Same happened with Coldplay's "The Scientist," inspired by the George Harrison's "Isn't It a Pity"...
Such gentlemen. Michael Jackson had thousand of random people sue him, saying he “stole their music”. It’s actually sad and inspiring to watch hours of the actual deposition of Michael put these people to shame as he spoke, sang, beat boxed and mentally went through the evolution and creation of some of his greatest music.
Too bad he was a pos pedophile
These guys aren't suing.
Michael approached him and stated that he stole it to make billy jean...he also says that billy jean is a different song and was not really the same, so flattered but slightly confused as to why Michael would say it was stolen...
I think you got this wrong. MJ did NOT use Hall & Oates for Billie Jean but if you want to see something. Go view Hall & Oates 1st hit from 1975 called Sarah Smile and you will see the beat is VERY similar to the Jackson 5 1971 hit Maybe Tomorrow. Now that's something you can EASILY see.
Thanks Mr Hall And Mr Oats for explaining how the creative process works!!
Robert Allen exactly
Oates
@@donaldfewell9929 if you're gonna correct misspellings, then... proper names are always capitalized, "donald".
Really appreciate this clip because all musicians are naturally interested in other people's music and have things they dig and it plays always in a corner of their mind. To draw on other's music as inspiration is a great thing. To steal is another. Anyone who understands music and researchs the musicians can tell the difference. These two guys are the real deal. I can go for that
Couldn't ever imagine the 70s and 80s without these guys music some of the best.
One of my all-time fave Daryl Hall songs was one he never actually released as a single, but when British singer Paul Young recorded Hall's "Every Time You Go Away", it became a smash hit in the U.S. and U.K. in 1985. All of this success coincided with the "Live Aid" festivities around that time. Great memories 🤗
DUDE!! I swear I alwasy thought that sounded like hall and oats
Hall & Oats did release that song. Paul Young remade it afterwards. Its on their Voice Album
I think Daryl does a version of that on Daryls House- I love that song, and the show
Daryl Hall performed that song on their 1986 album "Live At The Apollo" when they performed with Eddie Kendrick and David Ruffin of the Temptations. He announced that he would be singing it in its original arrangement which as you stated was on "Voices".
Had no idea Hall wrote that. Thanks for info!
What humble, kind, and TALENTED men! They handled that question wonderfully, no backstabbing, no lying, no posturing, no dissing, just humble storytelling. They are the BEST!❤
Totally right on. I don't need to comment, you have done it for me
I believe Eddie Van Halen said he was inspired by the guitar bridge in 'Kiss on My List' to write the synthesizer bridge in 'Jump'. As with the Billie Jean/I Can't Go for That bass I can absolutely hear where MJ would've been inspired by that to come up with the Billie Jean hook.
It was actually the synth part from “kiss on my list” according to what Eddie Van Halen told Daryl Hall. However come to think of it it sounds a lot more like “Dreams” than “Jump” (the beginning part of the song when the drums start). Listen to them both carefully, Dreams sounds a lot more like Kiss on my list
I can see how the chord progression might have inspired him. I can see EVH getting on the keyboard and playing some arpeggios over that solo and saying "hey, I've got something here!"
@@billykokkinidis Eddie despite what people say about Eddie, he was generally a nice guy. He didn't even get paid for the guitar work he did for Michael Jackson, I heard him say in an interview once and didn't even seem to care. Most artists would be suing for back pay and royalties, Eddie didn't give a shit.
@@JENDALL714 eddie is a good guy. He even helped pay for jason beckers medical expenses and gave him one of his guitars. Its was a tremendous loss the day he died
Stole??? Michael said it that way to give props to H&O. And they deserve it bc i love those blue-eyed soul brothers! (Big ups to Michael McDonald & the Doobie brothers!!)
Hall & Oats deserve awards. Great group!
They did win the American Music Award for best pop/rock group for three consecutive years (1983-'85).
Now that's a class act up there. Speaking the truth! We forget that few ideas are new and we are inspired every day of our lives in on way or another.
Rest in Peace 🤴 M.J. you gave more to the world than you got back.
H n O recorded some of the best music ever. Catchy and memorable. Hope they are doing good.
Agreed 👍👍
Yes I just saw them in Tampa last night. Fantastic show
"... best music ever" Don't be silly.
Two of the greatest songwriters ever imo !!!
And they are flat out cool guys to boot ...
We all create off each other, that's an artist! Damn Quincy.
People who make dresses are using someone elses' prints, and those prints probably came from a print from somewhere else.
What I don't understand about QJ is that he's badmouthing MJ about doing it, but he went along with it and produced it anyway (?) What does that say about him?
Its called influences. Jackson and Prince should have given all their money to James Brown
Yeah, what Quincy did was take ideas from their song something that has been done a million times. Much different from actually stealing songs come on Debra.
@@blackturkdog Jackson anyway. Prince actually wrote his own songs and played his own instruments.
@@Mozart1220 true but times you can see his influences. Also, in later years around the 90s , Prince was sampling other artists
I've been to 3 of their concerts over the years. Truly talented guys. Always on my BEST list !
I went to their concert at riverbend last year. Excellent
I met John Oates out of pure randomness, thanks to my sister in law who works in the music industry here in Nashville.
Most humble, down to earth, nicest guy you’ll ever meet. Funny thing is my SIL knew him from being in the music industry, she acted as if he was just another regular person while I’m over here with my jaw open to the floor screaming in my brain…..that’s John Oats!!!!
😂👍🏻
It’s so cool to see & hear John talk too! Hall & Oats are the most successful male duo EVER. Growing up every song they released went to the top - What’s cool is my dad God rest his soul is who turned me onto them we love them together and I think about him every time I hear any Hall & Oates song…. Leaves me with that nostalgic yet wanting to move/DANCE & sing along feeling… like I did with my dad. So cool. Really love their music & always admired John for being so incredibly humble.
Oates is the dude! Love how humble he is in his creative output.
i always remember the soulful voice of Hall in Sara Smile, a great group deserving of more
I'm actually proud to hear this interview.usually the artist(s) bitch and sue instead of coming together..be inspired!! For MJ to be inspired by anyone is an amazing thing to hear about
Sometimes are not the artists themselves. The record conpanies or the rights owner instead. Not all artists own the whole rights of their works.
Two of the most underrated artists of our day. 💖
saw them. incredible talent. great show. still can't believe the came to New Hampshire .
What makes you think they're underrated? They're pretty damn legendary in the music world
I think you got this wrong. MJ did NOT use Hall & Oates for Billie Jean but if you want to see something. Go view Hall & Oates 1st hit from 1975 called Sarah Smile and you will see the beat is VERY similar to the Jackson 5 1971 hit Maybe Tomorrow. Now that's something you can EASILY see.
NOT! inducted rock roll hall of fame!
Daryl Hall is the one with the talent. The other guy wasn’t needed at all.
I got to see them in concert last year. I am 77 yo. Fabulous show. Unforgettable. They are as great today as they were in the 70s and 80s.
Musicians do not steal. They get inspired by other musicians. From pop, rock, jazz, and classical.
I went to a MLBaseball game where John Oates sang the National Anthem. I was floored! Although he rarely had the lead vocal when with H&O, if ever, he has an AMAZINGLY good voice.
You'll need a long piece of paper and a new pen to write down all of their hits.
One of the most amazing musical acts to ever come down the pike. No B.S. either.
Daryl Hall is one of the finest performers to ever grace a stage.
No....I think a pencil and a sharpener would do the trick. Easier to fix all the spelling mistakes you make, when your hand gets tired of all that writing...
My paper is still blank..lol
Darryl has always been my favorite male singer! My favorite female singer?....probably the lead for the Bee Gees 😆
@@jonathanmoon86 It's incredible how they managed to make killer pop tunes using R&B hooks.
There is no better white boy R&B singer on the planet than Hall.
Edgar Winter is the one for the blues, but R&B is all Daryl Hall.
@@petecartwright5211 Michael McDonald? Or is he soul?
These two guys are great, and I loved their music growing up, and still do. I don’t think they had enough recognition compared to some of the so called icons in the music world today. Only my humble opinion of course.
"Sarah Smile" is all I have to say
Two of the classiest artists to ever lay a track down.
Oates is a Janetty
Copyright law is widely misunderstood, The only musical elements that can be copyrighted are lyrics and melody. You can't copyright a chord progression; thousands of songs have what are known as "Ice Cream Changes" (Unchained Melody, is just one example) and thousands more have "Rhythm Changes" (the chord progression from "I Got Rhythm") and while the songs may be in different keys, essentially the only thing unique to each are their lyrics and melody. You cannot copyright a drum beat. Every polka has the same beat, every waltz has the same beat, and ask a drummer, a Texas Two-Step is pretty much the same as a polka. The Cha-Cha is the Bo Diddley beat played backwards. You famously cannot copyright a bassline; every Rhumba has the same one. There MIGHT be a couple of exceptions, where the bassline is the hook; The Beatles Obla Di, Obla-Da, Queen's Another One Bites The Dust, and yes, Michael Jackson's Billie Jean, though if you look hard enough, you can probably find earlier examples of that, too.
Both No Can Do and Billie Jean have a flow that seems of their own, they both own you as soon as they start also MJ might have been talking about whet he called “The gravy” “The Jelly” both songs have a long build up intro before any vocals finally hit, that gave MJ the goosebumps and the goosebumps we feel when we hear Billie Jean startin is the goosebumps MJ felt upon hearing No Can Do starting, it’s an interpretation of the feeling the song created for him.
watching Daryl House opened up a whole different view of Daryl for me. He just seems like a very cool guy and down to earth and not some snobby musical genius who wrote many hit records.
I love that show.
@@joetartaglia607 ikr?
Totally! I didn't realize what a true musician he is
Who's Daryl House? Are trying to say Daryl Hall of Hall and Oates?
@@tj.espygil4544 yes that same Daryl look it up on youtube
Hall and Oates are very understanding and humble, two things Quincy isn't
I worked with Daryl. If it's one thing he isn't, it's humble.
@@ksteiger was he at least a nice guy? A person can have a ego and still be nice, also very cool that you did work with him
@@ksteiger I'm sorry to hear that. Even so, he is an incredible vocalist. I've been listening to Hall & Oates' music from the eighties to present day. It has aged quite well. I think one element that affords it that timeless quality is Darryl's signature vocalization. There's the nostalgic, sentimental factors, taking me back to the high school years, to be sure, but when I listen to their songs today, I find myself moved - unexpectedly. And 'I Can't Go For That' STILL impresses. That baseline rocks.
@@ksteiger ROFLOL. I heard from someone who booked them that the entire crew soup to nuts ( no pun intended ) was gay.
LOVE Hall & Oates
hall and oates was the first concert i saw after covid lockdown bullshit. thanks for the good time guys!
Thanks for the interview. Would like to see it all. Love Hall & Oates and the music they gave us..
They both seems to be humble and down to earth. That story with Michael Jackson proves it.
I love ❤️ MJ and the way MJ ask hall and oats about their song that’s cool 😎
Now since Quincy Jones did that interview everyone is questioning Michael Jackson's integrity as an artist. Everyone is inspired by something or someone.
Quincy Jones is still butt hurt that MJ used different producers for the "Dangerous" album.
Quincy has become a messy old geezer. I can’t wait for his skeletons to fall out of HIS closet.
@@agapereign Yeah! Wtf happened to him? Now doubt he has put together some wonderful music for generations but sounded like a mad crazy guy in that interview .
They are truly so underrated musicians.. One of the best duo.. Excelent composers, singers, daryl one the best voice all time.. So much hits mostly in 80's humble guys.. What else?? Deserve more grammys
Yes. Darryl is one of the greatest singers in the last century.
That is serious hyperbole😂
How are they underrated ? They have had a long list of hit records . They are hugely successful. They are like the most successful R&B duo in US music history. Everybody knows who they are. Using underrated every chance you get is overrated
@@tommyhaynes9157 maybe the correct word is recognized. They deserve more recognition
You can hear the inspiration for Billie Jean in I can't go for that. Then, you can hear the inspiration of Caribbean Queen from Billie Jean. Music build on other music.
Tariq Busy Very much the same song base line and all.
Tariq Busy well said
You are right, Tariq! People just keep open minded.
Tariq Busy Nice call
Tariq Busy Agreed!👍
This short video really makes you appreciate Hall and Oates. They are an incredible duo, grammys or not.
Great songs from the 80s thank you Mr hall and Mr oates
Time To Watch & Listen To Hall & Oates For A Couple Of Hours!!! Thanks You For A Great Interview
Inspiration is something totally different from sampling or ripping something off.
You can be inspired by someone but not use a sound similar to theirs. I could get inspired by Tolkien for writing LOTR but write a completely different story. A Sci-Fi instead of a Fantasy, while simply feeling inspired by LOTR to do so because reading it opened up my mind to creativity.
Aren’t my boys Hall & Oates KOOL ? Sir Curtis Mayfield inspiration, couldn’t pick a more soulful artist.
I love hall and oates and michael is great too.for michael to be inspired by them must be a great compliment. Both artists are legends. Being two "white kids"(as they put it) who grew up on soul & r&b music, You couldnt find more a talented duo besides the isley bros. than hall & oates. Theyre music is timeless .
Pop music IS MJ and Hall & Oates. They proved pop music can be art. H&O are geniuses!
Even the king of pop admired these legends of pop and soul
Love Hall & Oates (Sara Smile) but man, do I miss little Michael Jackson. He had a beautiful voice at a very tender age and was born to bring music, and dance, to the world. All the greatest leave the earth too soon.
Daryl Hall and John Oates are AMAZING!!! Best show I've ever seen live!
Once you actually watch the video, you understand the title and why "stole" is in parentheses. People are triggered by everything these days lol
Rising ATLien how many people went on a rant in the comments before even watching the video? Sad
Being "inspired" is not stealing
Not quite...if the person who you are 'inspired' by didn't exist, then your song wouldn't either.
well he did steal yours, thats why crap spills out of your mouth
Michael did steal writing credits from everybody u could ask his producer who just came out last week saying the same thing. He was a fraud out of ideas
They were certainly a bit more gracious than Quincy, still much respect to Quincy.
Exactly their point.
Blurred Lines doesn't sound exactly like Marvin Gaye. It uses similar timbres but the grooves are clearly different
Hall & Oates are two of the most real down to earth honest guys on the planet. Every song is unique and sounds “Great.” They have millions of fans around the World.
That was very honest of Michael Jackson to apologize for something he didn't even do. Those 2 bass lines are not the same.
Well Sem, he actually said that he hopes Daryl Hall don't mind if he stole No Can Do and used it for Billie Jean, which is akin to an apology.
Sem, No. Daryl Hall has no reason at all to lie about Michael Jackson in any way. He would have nothing to gain by doing so. He's not some 2-bit leach claiming MJ sexually abused his child for a cash settlement. He's a fellow artist who's older than MJ would have been and had/has hundreds of millions of dollars of his own. MJ doesn't need to deny or confirm anything said here because if anything, DH's claim confirms that MJ was an honest, humble, thoughtful & respectful individual who felt the need to acknowledge any similarities between "I Can't Go For That" and "Billie Jean" to DH the first chance he had when they were in studio together -- which is synonymous to an apology and actually speaks very highly of Michael Jackson perfectly corroborating his character, which is the same one displayed in many, many Michael Jackson interviews over the years. It is perfectly in-line with the way Michael Jackson has conducted himself in the past. No reason to be suspicious that DH was attempting any character assassination on MJ here WHAT SO EVER!
Sem, I really don't see any point to your first rebuttal comment or any of your comments after that. You are purely speculating and in the process suggesting Daryl Hall is lying while John Oats is compliment with those lies. Not to mention anyone else who was at the studio at the time that might confirm the story if asked to recall the session. Again, you say that you're not saying Daryl Hall is lying, but then you're suggesting he's lying because MJ never confirmed the story and there's no recording of the conversation? And how do you also know that MJ never acknowledged and/or apologized to Anderson, Vangelis, or even Donna Summer for that matter in the same informal way that he did with Daryl Hall? You don't know that he didn't. So, let me get this straight; according to you're brand of reason, everything that anyone has ever said that Michael Jackson said is a lie because MJ is not on tape saying it and he never confirmed it? It makes even less sense that DH would lie about this being that he never did, and never will need anything from MJ including an informal compliment/acknowledgment at some studio session. He would be risking his reputation by lying about such a beloved, high profile popular artist like Michael Jackson -- he would have way too much to lose.
So now you're suggesting that DH lied about MJ because anyone would believe anything negative about him. Only problem is that DH's story actually makes MJ look good & humble, not bad. Let's apply the same logic to the Jones/Anderson conversation. So how do you know for sure that Quincy Jones said what he said to Jon Anderson? Is there a tape of the conversation? Maybe they're both lying because they know anyone will believe anything negative about MJ. Also, while the bass-lines are identical only different tempos, it could have been a subconscious ripoff. I've written many songs that sound nearly identical to other stuff. Not because I purposely set out to steal someone else's material, but because it was stored in my memory and eventually came out in a different form. And again, how would you know MJ didn't do the same with Summer or anyone else even remotely involved with State of Independence? They were all huge stars, I'm sure they ran into each other at various events and were probably friends. It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that MJ mentioned the same to Summer since she had success with the track. She didn't need to have written the song for it to come up in conversation. True, some high profile people might lie about MJ for whatever reason, I'll give you that. But I see no reason to believe DH lied about anything here. My original point still applies. You're calling Daryl Hall a lair through pure speculation. Now please go away. I have to go to the bathroom.
Another thing is, we only know the finished song. When MJ was writing Billie Jean, at first, it may have sounded more like I Can't Go For That, but he tweaked the song to the point that it sounded very different in the end. And maybe in the back of MJ's mind, he can still hear the similarity, hence the conversation he had with Darryl.
I love Hall and Oates SO MUCH. They're perfect.
Michael playfully used the word "stolen", but I get what he was saying! I definitely hear the similarities in both songs...it's there! Hall and Oates' music is in my head constantly and of course Michael Jackson's music is too...they are all great!!!
Hall and Oates was an inspiration for me as a black kid living in Brooklyn. so there is that
Screenwriter and director Harmony Korine wrote the movie Kids at age 19. When asked where he got his inspiration he said he was just trying to write a sequel to Caddyshack.
Outstanding musicians, one of the best for me. I like all their songs even it's already 2021.
wow what genuine nice guys, shame interview so short
If you have never been to a Hall & Oates concert you have missed one of the best.
There were a lot cooler bands to see back then. But now that I'm old, you're probably right.
Love these guys- thanks for sharing this with us.
*Eastside Low Bottoms sh*t !*
_Tappin' in from South Central LA_
I used to like watching Darryl's House when it was on TV. Seeing the OG musicians come together to perform songs was pretty kool to see.
Thankyou for the great music!🎤🎼🎻💕💯
Disingenuous title. MJ didn't steal their song
That's why it is in quotes.
Just the baseline
These guys really are national treasures.
These guys are still super relevant. They play the Ventura County Fair all the time and that show is usually pretty amazing
I read someplace that Michael Jackson was also inspired by Tears For Fears “Everybody Wants To Rule The World” when he produced “The Way You Make Me Feel”.
Everybody wants a piece of Billie Jean... Whoever used an E or a C or an F sharp i his music: now MJ got i spured by ALL of them...
Ridiculous.
Hall & Oats are still in my daily playlist! So is MJ💖
De La Soul paid for the samples and were creative with "say no go". In fact, its arguable their use of Hall and Oats sample caused many young folks at the time to reconsider music which by radio categories had relagated Hall and Oats to the dusty aging soft rock stations and the occasional classic rock...And now Hall and Oats is a main stay of astute club music and dance heads...always respecting those sounds as if they were about to get on the dance floor at Studio 54 and rock the night away.....LOL
They are 2 bad mamma jammas; in the Haight in the 60’s and 70’s, while “working” one night, the house where I was chilling out the lady of the house put on Smile Sarah Smile, then You Make my Dreams Come True; they and Michael McDonald are MY FAVORITES OF ALL TIMES;
When John began talking about the impact that Curtis Mayfield had on him, the first song that popped in my head was "Sara Smile". Have you guys interviewed Jonathan Cain regarding Prince' fear that he could get sued for borrowing the chord sequence from "Faithfully" in the composition of the *Purple Rain* title cut?
That's interesting! Reminds me of Stevie Nicks asking Prince about borrowing "Little Red Corvette" for her song "Stand back". Cool story: th-cam.com/video/8mikCI3sdlY/w-d-xo.html
You can't copyright a chord progression
You can't copyright a chord progression but if the rhythm is the same, that makes it copyrighted.
It's a testament to their integrity to take Michael's comment in stride. Even if it went to court, I don't think there's nowhere near enough similarity, musically, melodically or rhythmically to warrant any copy infringement. "Truckin' Grain"..... er, uh, Hall and Oates are one of the most under rated acts in pop music, hands down.
Michael Jackson King of Music. Nunca robó nada.
Daryl and John are true legends
Nuff said!!!!
Two great but under appreciated artists.
I hear it now! Damn! But yeah, that's the 'right' way to write a song based on inspiration of another. In fact that's an established technique in songwriting, to draw inspiration from what you hear then apply your own ideas to create something new.
In fact when you think about it, that principle applies to just about every human endeavor, it's fundamental to our progression.
I heard oats sing the national anthem on television filling in for Daryl Hall at a baseball game and I'm going to tell you what is one of the most amazing renditions of the national anthem I've ever heard I think that's the right word I want to use my brain don't work like it used to since my motorcycle wreck I don't know maybe does work but the same LOL anyway I was very impressed at how well oats sounded man it was great
I love them being interviewed!! Love y'all still
Mike was humble he was inspired by there song so he passed them he did not steal shit !! I love hall and oats as artist and as people and I'm glad that they cleared up that misconception
Michael totally stole their song.
MJ in his mind got inspiration, but MJ was too brilliant to steal anything from anyone. Not saying he couldn’t do it, just saying MJ would never stoop that low. He’s the damn King of Pop!
He only stooped low to pick up little boys, they're so short!
@@abc456f Stupidity knows no limits, eh mr. jinx?
"He’s the damn King of Pop!"
Says who?
@@abc456f they never found proof idiot. It goes to show you didn’t do your research you racist jealous fool. Those were the people who hated MJ. Just like they hated MLK Jr.
@@davidlast1370 ignorance is worse. It’s being stupid on purpose.
There’s only so many notes and chords… inevitably, things can tend to sound familiar(ish)
Interesting tidbit: The name of the duo is/was NOT Hall & Oates. The duo is/was officially Daryl Hall & John Oates, but for simplicity sake, people - including other artists, and most notably radio DJ's - always referred to them as simply Hall & Oates. Kinda like radio DJ's referring to Guns N Roses as GNR, well sort of.
Both Songs sounds completely different and they Say MJ has Stolen this Song. I mean i watched every mj Interview and He never said that this Was his Inspiration
Same bassline
I love it that they give credit to those who inspired them-really appreciate the Mayfield shout-out. I saw them in concert, opening for ELO, in Lexington, KY, in 1982. They blew ELO AWAY! And I'm saying that as a 'died-to-the-wool' Jeff Lynn fan. Hall and Oates is one of my favorite bands, great musicians!
I saw them both in Tampa a couple years ago (separate shows). I thought ELO put on a better "show", but the music was =. Artists that good are hard for me to compare. Going to see H&O again next month.
@@terrybuckley1556 the ELO set I saw was the 'Time' album. A few lights, bland stage, a backdrop that looked like a cardboard cutout of a city skyline. I love ELO, and Jeff Lynn is a genius, and the music was great! But on that particular stage, on that particular night, H&O outshined them.
Underrated talent beyond belief cats ! That’s a fact Jack.
So MJ didn't steal a song. He drew inspiration from maybe a chord of a song by Hall & Oates. I'm glad Darryl Hall pointed out that there was no theft, even if MJ himself said he "stole" the song. "There is nothing new under the sun."
Legends
I can't get it out of my head that The Rolling Stones wrote one of their biggest hits, "You Make My Dreams Come True". Imagine Mick Jager singing it and it's unmistakable!
As musicians, we’ve all done it. But as John said, there’s a difference between being inspired compared to just flat out theft. I. E. Vanilla Ice adding a 16th note an extra note to Ice Ice Baby from Under Pressure.
Michael should have credited Hall & Oats but didn't.. by not creating his own idea & taking their's for his hit song is wrong... i don't think it was a huge deal cause it was just a beat but at least give let fans recognize who helped you a little
Thank Daryl and John for clearing up.
Hall And Oates are among my favorite musicians of all time.
These two make beautiful music together.
To Daryl and John…
I love you both. Thank you for the years of Inspiration you have brought (and still continue to bring) to the Music industry and to all of us…your fans.
I hope and pray that you both come to an agreement soon.🫶🏻
Wow...how humble are hall n oates..absolutely fantastic guys....i think they just "inspired" me to go listen to their greatest hits c.d..a listen i always enjoy🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣