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The GH7 is a tiny JUGGERNAUT | Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- The Panasonic LUMIX GH7 is a video centric juggernaut of a camera - but can a Micro Four Thirds sensor still cut it in 2024? does the addition of Pro Res RAW and the ARRI Log C3 profile make a difference? Let's find out!
The majority of footage in this video was shot at ISO 500 with the Panasonic Leica 10-25mm f/1.8 lens.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
00:43 - My history with Micro Four Thirds cameras
01:46 - Panasonic LUMIX GH7 form factor and features
03:22 - Recording formats and framerates
04:26 - Pro Res RAW in the GH7
06:31 - 120fps in 4k 10bit is gorgeous!
07:34 - Dynamic range on the GH7
10:18 - ARRI Log C profile on the GH7
13:23 - Awesome IBIS on the GH7
16:07 - Autofocus improvements on the GH7
17:44 - Rolling shutter performance on the GH7
18:40 - Does sensor size really matter in 2024?
21:50 - Final thoughts on the GH7 and what it hints about the next flagship camera
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NICE. A great thorough review - especially giving explanation to speedbooster options and rolling shutter speeds, which most reviewers never mention. I've shot with Lumix since the GH4. Now, with the GH6 I've filmed broadcast spots and a ton of food shoots (240 fps is quite excellent - if the exposure is perfect).
Our studio has since evolved to a RED V Raptor x and DJI Ronin 4D, but I will absolutely buy a GH7, slap my loyal speedbooster on it, and keep shooting. They're amazing cameras and anyone complaining that it (or really any current camera) doesn't record beautiful imagery, should assess their own skills as a creative.
Yes exactly pretty much all cameras made in the last 5 years are capable of delivering fantastic results in the right hands
To solve the ProResRAW to resolve issue:
There’s a RAW convert program to compress the PRR to CDNG and keep both your 12 bit color depth and RAW panel in resolve. It’s not internal BRAW, and it is another step, but it saves you HDMI output and a Blackmagic recorder
Yeah I know this is a possibility but it's just not a great workflow to have to process all that footage esp. if you have multiple shoots a week, the HDD space required to juggle this workflow is also fairly eye watering as well as the time it takes to process a day's footage.
BRAW also just had more compression options, it's still not as versatile as RED RAW but you could probably still get away delivering BRAW to a client / editor.
@@EdProsser agreed! Terrible workflow!!!
But I posted this comment hoping someone could see this (whether on Nikon or LUMIX with the new Internal RAW) and save their colorgrades
@@CartyCantDance got ya! have you tried any of the new Nikon cams yet?
@@EdProsser I got some hands on with the z6iii at the Nikon booth with b&h. Honestly it seems like they shoved the gh7 and the s5iix together.
The main thing about Nikon for me is the e handling. It’s hard to go back to only 2 dials after you have 2 dials plus the wheel on the s5ii/g9ii. But everything else was up to par!
Current autofocus rankings:
Sony
Canon
Lumix
Nikon
Fuji (lol)
Interesting - I was really impressed by the footage I've seen online and the spec of that camera. It definitely caught my attention!
Love your AF ranking!
I wouldn't compare body prices between full frame and Micro 4/3. Compare whole kit prices! What does it cost to buy equivalent angle of view coverage? What does it cost to buy equivalent light gathering capability? Total cost of ownership and total kit size and weight matter a lot to many of us. What we film and photograph may benefit more from one or the other platform. Choosing cameras should not be as cavalier as, "Full frame is God." Just as Fujifilm has medium format and APS-C cameras, Lumix has full frame and Micro 4/3 cameras. Each format serves a different user base with different features and benefits. The GH7 is an ideal replacement for those of us with older GH cameras.
as a fuji and canon owner, here are my thoughts. I love fuji better, the styling, colors, user experience. but canon is better both in performance and price. if you get lenses for apsc or m43 and you try to match the performance in full frame terms, it is not cost effective. for example, on fuji I own 3rd party f1.2 lenses, each lenses cost around $500-$700. but f1.2 on apsc is equivalent to f1.8 on full frame, which is like $200-$400 first party lenses. in the end, for performance equivalent lenses, full frame is cheaper. If the crop sensor body is more expensive than full frame body, then it's tough news. you will never find crop lenses that perform as fast as ff lenses
I think many first time and casual users will be doing just that, comparing prices of the camera bodies and making their decisions from there.
It is the more experienced user who has a more targeted requirement who will probably do a more nuanced costing of kit.
I think what many of us want are the features and tools in the GH7 in a full frame body. We're ready for a new LUMIX flagship. The benefit of a large sensor camera is you have the flexibility to choose between the large sensor look or cropping in on the sensor.
I am not in the 'full frame is god' camp I shot for many years on MFT cameras and my main camera is a S35 sensor.
This is a comment that many people don't take into consideration, MFT lens prices are ridiculous for what they offer
I like the video but highly disagree that you can’t get great DOF with MFT, Im too a Komodo,S5II, plus some other camera owner and have been an MFT shooter for years, I DO get the DOF I want with my GH6 and the DR it’s on par with my FF cameras, you talked about how good it is but mentioned “but the smaller sensor “ why mention it as a but ? It’s a great system and doesn’t need to be FF to be good.
It's certainly not impossible! But a lot of people don't want to have to go the extra lengths to get all of that and some people just want the large sensor look straight out of camera. I'm not one of them, but I know lots of people are.
In terms of sensor size, it just can't offer the same performance as many larger sensors. I did unfortunately notice this quite quickly on this camera and had to adapt my shooting. It's still capable of creating a fantastic image, you just need to be aware of how the sensor operates.
@@EdProsser oh yes I agree with you, it’s not the same “look” but I feel the way people talk about it it’s not a big deal, really, that’s my point really, not trying to argue about it, and you don’t have to go through so much to get it, sure the bigger sensors will give you more but there’s plenty of DOF you can achieve with MFT and about the DR I agree too, you need to know how your sensor works best but as I’ve seen with the GH6 for many years now, I never had streaking issues, DR limitations and such, it delivered as good as my other FF cameras.
I made several tests comparing it and obviously it might not be the same but it’s so so close that it won’t affect anyone’s work really, I make videos to, and admire your work so apologies if this seems like I am arguing, I’m not, it’s just that MFT has gained a lot of bad reputation for being a “small” sensor and it’s not “pro” enough or that phones are catching up to it which they’re far far far from it, that triggers me a little because I’ve used it for so many years and not had a particular “issue” with the stuff people say but it is what it is.
@@AndyLSB No need to apologise, I love hearing other people's takes and opinions! I agree MFT gets a bad rap and is capable of achieving GREAT images. It's largely down to the person using it!
I do know that had I taken my S5 iiX to Palermo I would have been able to squeeze a bit more DR out of those challenging high contrast scenes and wouldn't have had to worry so much about those highlights clipping. I think it's important and honest to point that out - esp. for beginners or amateurs who are unlikely to have as strong a grasp at exposure control. In the right hands it's less of an issue though as you'll adapt your shooting style to accomodate this and still get fab images!
@@EdProsser I agree with you and Andy. I used Canon FF for many years and because of the weight and image quality, I switched to Lumix. I am a GH6 user and I have had no problems. As @EdProsser says, it largely depends on the person using it. Many thanks for sharing this video. Hug!!!
@@EdProsser Who's a lot of people? Please speak for yourself!
What makes a huge difference is the inclusion of 32-bit float support along with the internal ProRes Raw and ARRI Log C3 features. The GH-series has had video-centric tools most other hybrid cameras did not possess and some still do not to this day...
They've always pushed the boundaries with the GH line!
Remember, it is not included. You have to buy a $500 Audio Accessory to get 32-bit float. The DJI Mic 2 Is only $200 dollars and gives you wireless and 32-Bit float.
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI … you have to sync DJI Mic 2 32-bit float audio in post. I use my Mic 2 with both my Pocket 3 and Osmo Action 4, but would opt for my Rode Wireless Pros for most other wireless duties… Wireless Pro sound quality is better to me than Mic 2. I prefer the capability of using higher quality microphones that can be attached via the adapter to be captured together with the video.
I'm eyeing up the Deity THEOS personally... 👀
@@EdProsser THEOS looks super-solid! I’ve been considering it, too.
Really awesome footage! I ordered the GH7😊 coming from the GH5
Loved the GH5, moved onto the S5 after that and sold all my MFT gear, think it'd be difficult to make the move back... But I loved shooting on this cam
I've never owned a Panasonic hybrid camera, but I was always envious of their overall system... except their AF. Well, that is now addressed! It was an immediate pre-order for me.
Same here. I have the Gh5, Gh5s and when they ship I'll have the GH7. I'm so hyped!
@@MattyInProcess quite the collection!
I've been more of a photo guy, than a video guy over the years. However, I love the Big M43 zooms being the 10-25 and 50-200. To me they are the perfect balance of size, light gathering, handheld sports photography/movies and everday usability. The GH7 is the perfect size body for these bigger lenses and can't wait for it to be released. 🙂
I loved my time with the camera when I shot on my GH4 / GH5 I had the 12-35 which I loved. The 10-25 was great, but I did find that I wanted a bit more reach on the long end. But apart from that, that's the lens I'd pair with this camera.
Love being this early!
EF or PL mount lenses are the only solution to the compatibility issues between MFT and L mount. I chose EF, but I find myself using full frame more and more often. Great video Ed!
I hope you get your s5iiX back soon
Yeah I think so! Shame you just don't benefit from the awesome AF advancements - I'm hoping that metabones and other adapter companies can update their firmware to pass through the AF to EF lenses, that would make this cam super appealing.
Been swamped in insurance admin, fingers crossed it gets approved.
I shot a feature film with the GH5. So, the GH7 is definitely on my radar. I just have to decide if I want to stay with Sony or go back to LUMIX. To be honest, I prefer LUMIX colors over most brands. If I were choosing a camera for the first time, it would be the GH7.
That being said, I am also looking at the S5ii. Having filmed with BRAW with the BMPCC4K, I fell in love with that codec from the first use. So, being able to grab a Blackmagic monitor to record BRAW would be a great choice to have.
They're great cameras, I believe they shot Upstream Color on the GH2 and it looks stunning. Same here prefer LUMIX colours too
Gh7 can now shoot Braw with the monitor. Blackmagic just posted an update.
@@mackyfulness yes I mention this in the vid.
@@orinorio1 yeah I guess it's a mixed bag, once you factor in the Ninja v is like £600 extra so at that point it's more expensive...
@@orinorio1 the S5 iix requires a RAW upgrade at additional cost, iiX requires an external recorder with external media to record RAW. CFexpress cards are not hugely expensive these days and allow internal RAW and PR without the need for bulky setup of external recorders or SSDs cables and caddies - for a lot of people that's a bonus. I'd imagine 6 months post release the GH7 will get a price drop and be comparable in cost, maybe slightly more. But not orders of magnitude. It'll still have more features (high frame rates, internal RAW, Arri LogC).
CF Express cards are superior to SD cards imo in nearly every way.
I believe I touch on costs between GH7 and S5iix towards end of review.
Very nice vid, as always Ed! Palermo looks absolutely lovely ☺️ In my day job working mostly as an editor for a small Australian company making longform in the Agricultural sector, we have a secret pact amongst cammos and producers always to get the cute farm doggos somewhere into our clients’ films. So I approve of your closing shots! 🐶 I sometimes have rose coloured glasses about my old GH5 days, but as usual you’ve captured the vibe of why so many of us switched to FF and stayed after the release of the S5…the whole no-fuss exposure experience. Mind you the image still looks ace in lower contrast situations…particularly when your very patient partner Steph poses with the Lumix/ Leica 10-25. The image from that thing is really special. My colleague still uses the old G9 on lower budget jobs to get stunning images using the Lumix/ Leica 42.5mm f/1.2 ASPH Nocticron, just out in the field, natural light. There is a certain je ne sais quoi to that Lumix/ Leica glass!!
Had to fit the doggy in somewhere! Glad you made it to the end, I was wondering whether anyone would make it that far to enjoy that.
Palermo was fantastic, one of our best holidays in a long time, really needed it.
I do sometimes regret selling my GH4 and MFT kit, if only because it held a lot of sentimental value being the first camera I ever bought myself!
I was rewatching your older videos and just fot the notificatin that this was uploaded. Can't wait to see it!
Hope you enjoy!
My question is, I have a GH6, autofocus doesn't worry me, do you think I need to change to a GH7, or with my GH6 can I wait for a much more improved GH8 or GH9?
It's a tough one, you'll probably be fine if you don't need the AF - generally I tend to hold onto a camera for 2-3 years if not more, before considering an upgrade, generally that means skipping the next iteration and going for the next one!
As a software developer working in the field of video stabilization I can tell you these micro jitters can appear on very shallow depth of field content or when the small objects like seed pieces look to similar and the movement detection links false different objects of the two compared video frames together. Some videos can be stabilized without any failure and other video content is just failing. With some experience you can estimate when the digital stabilization fails and when not. Currently I am also working to solve this problem on my product. Post production stabilization should work more reliable. The very good IBIS from the GH7 also should reduce the jelly visual rolling shutter effect to zero.
Interesting! It's strange, it seems to affect only footage over 60fps when the e-stabilisation is on. The standard IBIS is fine in higher frame rates. The judders almost looked mechanical like the IBIS system was doing something strange or fighting the e-stabilisation.
@@EdProsser So far I do know the CPU cannot process all data over 60 fps in time for perfect results. The auto focus is best at 60 Hz and above it they need to save CPU time by lowering the auto focus frequency probably slower than 30 fps. This CPU power at high rates might be also possible source of bad SW stabilization performance because the camera need to lower the tracking points in the frames to keep up with the high frame rate. Then the statistical movement errors cannot be detected and removed when too less tracking points are processed. In contrast the IBIS stabilization should need almost no CPU power. It is simply impossible to have more or equal CPU power in the camera than a up to date desktop PC with a good GPU.
Still holding strong for the S2H (or whatever they call it). They registered a cam with internal ND’s we’ve yet to see, and they don’t have a cinema line to protect… so I’m fully expecting to be blown away by the S1H sequel.
I hope we see something like this too!
They didn't register a camera with internal ND, they just filed for a patent on it.
@user-tj8ox8iy8m a patent covers a specific idea/design/technology. The existence of a patent does not indicate the existence of a finished market-ready product that uses that patent. There are plenty of patents applied for and granted that never make it to market in a product, or that do but it takes many years or even decades. For instance Panasonic has been developing their organic sensor, which has ND-like capabilities, for probably a decade now. If it was close to ready for market they wouldn't even need this patent for a separate filter mechanism.
The iso performance isn’t a big deal with the GH6 it is actually cleaner than cameras like the FX30, which I owned since launch and it is almost almost on par with most FF cameras
Yeah I've heard that too. Some people will want to push crazy high isos like you can on the S5 and Sony cams. Me personally I never pump the iso up even on my duel gain cams - I shoot with my komodo and rarely go above 800.
@@EdProsser oh yes yes I don’t go that high either, its just good to know you can in an emergency, in my internal testings with all my cameras, I run down some particular test just to understand the performance of my sensor and got really surprised finding out this, try and compare it with the Komodo, it’s crazy how good you can match the GH7 with it, I grab my GH6 as a B with my Komodo and have no issues, my S5II or A7IV are regularly for YT or BTS in my shoots, I just love cameras lol and get the results I want from each one, I know you too !
I imagine a Lumix GH7 with an Aps-C Sensor size (x1.5 crop), instead this tiny m43 sensor (x2 crop)? Waw!! It would be the most amazing crop camera ever😍
This looks fantastic! Would be very cool to see this with some Vintage S16 Super Speeds
I think that would be a match made in heaven
Excellent in-depth pros and cons Ed, all very valid and well thought out. Stef has the patience of a saint. Not many people like having a lens in their face 24/7 unless.... she shoots as well, perhaps all the b-roll of you filming? 22:57-23:09 is a pretty intermediate to advanced camera move. Enjoyed your POV from a film maker's perspective. I shoot FF Canon (mostly stills) and I went to a GH6 due to small size, weight and video centric features, frame rates and codecs; but long for a shallow DOF of FF. To get that, I need a 10-25, but then I'm smack dab back to something weighty and chonky. 😞
Thanks! The footage of me was captured by my pal and awesome TH-camr Josh Cameron! We often meet up and help each other out shooting for our vids. Stef is indeed a legend, she plays a huge a part in producing the vids on this channel too!
Yes that 10-25 is a huge lens! I wish it had an extra 10mm at the longer end as well.
As always, a thorough and concise take on this camera! And the footage you shot in Italy looks INSANE! ✌🏻
I want to be back in Italy 😢 thanks for getting some killer shots for this too!
Always a pleasure watching your videos, Ed. I love my S5 and planning on making a move to the S5ii soon, but the GH7 is enticing. I still have all my lenses for my G85, so I wouldn’t mind grabbing the GH7. What a phenomenal camera. Great job as always, cheers!
If I'd not sold off all my MFT kit a few years ago I'd definitely be considering one... But I may hedge my bets and wait for the next flagship given that I'm not in desperate need for yet another camera 🤣
@@EdProsser 🤣right. Yeah I’m sure there’s a bunch of people holding out for something like a S1Hii. should be worth the wait lol
Great review as always! I started my camera ownership journey with the Gh5 and did a lot of work with it. Then upgrade to the S5 and EVA-1. The features on this camera for the work I do (which is basically everything from event coverage to multi-cam reality tv) is crazy. The 32-bit float internal would save me a lot on documentary and reality shoots. Speed boosters save the field of view and depth issue. My only issue is I've been spoiled by the dynamic range on the s5 and Eva and the olpf on the EVA. Shooting exteriors in Africa its almost always sunny, and that olpf just helps make things smoother, can't go back. Hope all this means an S1h mark 2 or a new cinema camera are around the corner or I'll have to switch to Blackmagic.
S1 mark II sometime in the late autumn I believe.
I think the most recent Panasonic cameras' AF has surpassed Canon's video AF. They're a lot more sticky and reliable. Sony's recent cameras with the "AI" chip probably have superior AF. Only thing the Panasonic cameras lack is consistency. The AF doesn't stay that good as you go up in frame rates. Whereas Sony and Canon have consistently good to great AF regardless of the frame rates.
Yeah you lose tracking above 60fps, which is a shame but it's still pretty competent
Didn’t the video say that the issue is only with E-Stabilizing on? With regular IBIS there’s no issue with focus on higher frame rates.
@@Radhaugo108 Regardless of stabilization, you lose subject detection above 60 fps and lose continuous AF altogether above 120 fps.
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Not even close, I just got the s5iix and the focus is not on the same level as my canons.
With my canons I press record and don’t even think about the focus as it locks on and stays on.
Unfortunately I Cannot say the same for my lumixs5iix.
It hunts and it hunts when it shouldn’t , is it better than the other lumix cameras I have owned , yes but sorry it’s not on the same level as canon or Sony, I wish it was buy it isn’t .
A AG-AF100 reference?! Love that camera. It was my go to in Film School once upon a time!
I used one in my first production job where I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. We adapted a lot of Nikon glass on it
@@EdProsser I bought a bunch of Nikon glass for the same reason
As a Fuji shooter, it's hard not to consider this instead of a Fuji XH2s. Lumix is far more reliable, but the image (when in focus) is incredible in Fuji.
Thanks for the review and sharing the autofocus and 4k120 e-stabilization issues, it's good to know about them.
Great review mate - have to say your footage with the Arri lut looks incredible.
Thanks!
I wish Panasonic Lumix would create a Electronic or Digital Stabilization software upgrade for the Lumix GH5S with a slight crop (like to Canon normal Digital IS) even a paying upgrade. And also give the possibility to upgrade to the "Arri Log 3" in the Lumix GH5S. These two upgrades for the Panasonic Lumix GH5S would be really appreciated!!😍
The ONLY reason I won't reinvest back into the system is because of the lack of compatibility of L mount to MFT. Seems like a huge oversight to me as a company to choose a mount that won't promote using both systems. Those f1.7 mft zooms are far too expensive to invest in a new body and set of lenses. I'd love to pick up a gh6 / gh7 specifically for the 120fps for the few times I need it, but I just can't after upgrading from the gh5 to the s1 and s5iix. Still absolutely love Lumix and the L mount but I'll stick to the S5iix and BMCC6k.
Great video as always Ed! Hope the insurance comes through on the s5iix.
Thank you! Yeah am in total agreement. I would genuinely love this camera in my kit bag and I may still pick it up if it drops in price... But yea the lack of cross compatibility between MFT and L is a huge shame! The GH and S line for cameras are both bloody fantastic and there are tonnes of us who'd love to own both!
@@EdProsser Absolutely. Hopefully one day they can figure out a workaround with those +/- 10 mm of wiggle room haha. I must stress, still my favourite camera company with some of the coolest innovations. Also hope that internal BRAW comes to future cameras.
I almost got a video assist until seeing your video and it's limitations and opted for the BMCC6k when that insane sale was going on. Thanks for all you do my man. Constant inspiration
@@BrendonKPadjasek Yeah I very almost bought one during that insane deal! How's it working out for you?
@@EdProsser I've done 2 shoots with it (commercial and music video) and I'm absolutely in love with the image. Never used a windowed sensor so it tripped me out when I shot 4k (to get 60fps) and it cropped in on the sensor. But I realized quickly what was going on and just use it creatively now.
Still learning the quirks and figuring out which ISO's noise pattern I like for texture but so far, absolutely in love. I find my sigma 24-70 is sweet to focus with, but all of the Lumix f1.8 primes are really unreliable with the focus by wire mechanism. Really hoping they add a Linear mode and customization for anamorphic desqueeze. So far it seems they only allow 1 desqueeze per aspect ratio to land at 2.39:1 (I believe that's the landing aspect ratio)
For both shoots I used mainly the BMCC6k and the S5iix for the more "run and gun"/ night shots since the low light is better on the lumix. BUT the image quality is night and day, especially with the OLPF. To be fair I haven't shot BRAW on the lumix so keep that in mind... sorry for the novel haha
@@BrendonKPadjasek very interesting!! I'm still keen to pick one up on the cheap as I love the image from the S1H - and you're basically getting a similar sensor setup but with Black magics colour science and BRAW performance!
Thanks!
you can convert PreRes raw to cinema DNG , takes time and disk space but at least you don't have to attach a recorder
Yeah it's just not practical for a regular workflow, when your capturing footage regularly - it requires lots of disk space and time plus additional time for back ups etc.
Music selection for this review is excellent!!! 👌🏾
@@bharumusic thanks!!
full frame dual gain out camera with a lot of dynamic range! that would be cool~
Definitely
Great review, you've definitely got a new subscriber...👍
Welcome!
Thank you for the sigma + metabones tests! I was waiting for that kind of review! Good job! I also keep my finger crossed for metaboes firmware update! That would be a gamechanger!
Yeah let's hope they come through on that then you'll have a good choice of how to shoot on this cam.
@@EdProsser they did it! Update is avaliable :)
@@Tamtomasz dam, shame I didn't get to try it for this!
The minimum iso with arri log is 320! Compared to 500 in vlog
Thanks for letting me know I did not realise this!
Picking it up to pair with my bmpcc4k glass 😵💫
Another example of a fantastic MFT camera!
Great video! It gets me really excited to see what they have in store for the next S1
Yes me too! They've demonstrated some amazing features in the last few releases so let's hope they have something magic in their top pocket for their next flagship
Great video always. We've discussed it before but you're absolutely right on ur main point of objection, I.e. the inability to share lenses with S-series. That's why I'm actually more excited to see if Panasonic puts out a very cheap full frame cam like the Canon RP, which could serve as a compatible c or b cam for ppl on the s1h or s5iix/ii.
Yeah it's a shame but I guess a testament to the GH lines success! Interesting to see if they do that, I guess their S5 was meant to be their "budget" line - there's also the S9 but not exactly cheap.
I'm not sure I've ever really been convinced by the low light "issues" on M43 cameras. I think it's a skill issue more than a camera issue if I'm being honest. I didn't really notice it even on my trusty GH4, but then again I did use a 0.95 lens most of the time.
People who are really fixated on the low light "issue" are probably the same people who just put the ISO up really high without failing to light and still wonder why the image looks bad.
The way I have always seen it, if Fincher and Mann were able to get by with the old Thomson Viper with the 1" sensor on Collateral, Zodiac et al, then really sensor size means very little.
Totally agree, I think it's more due to expectations and what the FF equivalents can do. Since the A7s mark 1, we've been spoilt with high ISO low light performance. Most people using these cams won't have crew or lighting budgets so the ability to capture in challenging low light situations is attractive to a lot of people. Of course once you're able to manage and master lighting / exposure you can pretty much handle any camera.
Re: feature films using older cams - that is definitely the proof that sensor size doesn't matter, although I'd add most of those higher spec productions will have had the benefit of time, crew and a lighting budget.
why did they get rid of 48fps slow mo??
that to me was perfect for me who never used a 30 fps timeline
Honestly I didn't check this but I'm sure you could dial that frame rate in?
Okay obviously my brain got completely overwhelmed about halfway through so we're going to be running through this video about four times.... At least. First I'm running to the closet right now to dig out my Sigma 18 - 35 and the Metabones... Time to play again old friends. You can almost follow the path of Lumix improvement stepping stones.. phase detect focus, codecs and profiles,, dynamic range tools and now even float audio... I think I will go buy a seatbelt that I can just have around with me so I can buckle up when the new S2 (S1 mk II ?) cameras arrive. Looks like I have a new channel to watch as well.. Thanks!!
18-35 was probably the first lens I bought my self with the GH4! Still got it but sadly sold my GH4 a few years back, miss that thing!
Thanks Ed! Giving it straight per usual
Ramble mode: on
Fab footage and info! Very helpful. Thanks!
Glad it's useful
Is there a difference between the 2 sensors GH6 GH7 - Pany always argued that dual pixel would impact the image quality hence that’s why they stuck with DTD AF
I picked up a new GH6 last year heavily discounted from $3.8k down to I think it was around $2.7k AUD Australia 🇦🇺 so upgrading is not an option just for an improved AF when the GH6 is still ok
I believe the GH7 has a new sensor, I believe they've also tweaked how the duel output gain system works too. If you're not bothered by AF and internal RAW you'll probably be fine. Cameras will always get updated but your existing one will still serve you well!
I picked up an S1 a few weeks ago. I was using Sony before but because of some problems and final complete failure I won't be using their cameras again. I was never a fanboy and before Sony I was never a Canon fanboy either although my Canon was more reliable.
I have to admit that since getting the Panasonic, I am a bit of a fanboy. I can't think of any other company that created such fantastic cameras on it's first attempt in a particular range i.e. full frame mirrorless. Panasonic pulled out every stop to make the S1 and S5 as good as possible. These cameras are bargains second hand.
Loving the tools is not a bad thing. Imagine playing a musical instrument that didn't inspire you.
For sure - the way you use a camera and your relationship with it is definitely important, it's got to be easy to use and streamlined so it's not in the way of your creativity.
As I understand it, BRAW needs a special chipset for capturing that is not incorporated in the GH7 sensor.
Sounds about right!
@@EdProsser On the other hand DaVinci Resolve only needs a small plug in to fully support ProRes RAW. Come on Black Magic Design. It's time.
@@GrenlandUnderVann totally agree, end the RAW war!
@@GrenlandUnderVann There has been some speculation that now that BM and Apple are working together on Apple Vision Pro, BM will finally come around to implementing ProRes RAW in DaVinci. I hope so, as I am sure that the forthcoming S1H mk 2 will have internal ProRes RAW recording like GH7.
I suspect it will! If DR can support it then it would immediately make the uptake of this camera and potential future cameras more appealing!
But who knows maybe it's not a BM problem, maybe it's Apple that is the sticking point as they have skin in the game with FCPX
So sorry for the camera. But this video is 😮💨😮💨🙂↕️
Looking forward to watching this 'Saved'
Hope you enjoy!
Great review, Ed. Currently rocking a Sony A7R3 having jumped from GH2 and GH4, which was a great hybrid camera for its day and one I really bonded with. I've been thinking of returning to Lumix, shooting mainly wildlife, landscape but also travel vlogging. The dilemma being whether to go full frame (S5II) or M43 with the lens investment dilemma. But definitely moving to 10 bit colour and better autofocus & IBIS are big attractions (plus timelapse conversion internally) as the more affordable Sony bodies would seem to have crop and rolling shutter compromises, though great autofocus and dynamic range. I'm rambling...!!
We're really spoilt for choice these days which makes the decision of what camera to buy even harder! I guess really you can't go wrong with whatever you end up with!
great review! I love your footages! the women is gorgeous with your skills! good job mate
Very useful video, thanks!
What is with the shallow DoF craziness? I doubt professionals shoot most of the time 1.4-1.7 (full frame) - I know I don't. There is probably one thing you cannot fix and ruins your footage: missed focus.
There is time and place for ultra shallow DoF, but it's rare. I think most videographers/filmmakers usually shoot between f2.8 and f5.6
You can get the same DoF with f1.4 and similar with f1.7 lenses on MFT. As a bonus you get f2 light for example but with f4 DoF, so more likely your video will be in focus. And if I need ultra shallow DoF, I can use 50-65-100mm on MFT with f1.7-1.8-2.8 put my subject far away from the background and I'll have creamy background.
I'll switch from FF (Sony A7III) to MFT (GH7), but based on everything I saw so far, I highly doubt I'll miss FF
I guess it's popular with casual shooters who can just use dof to isolate their subjects rather than relying on lighting and composition. Professionally I tend to bounce between t2.8 and T4, on my Komodo.
+1 for BRAW
thank you for your highly appreciated perspective!
Hi Ed,
You are wrong about prores raw with DaVinci...you can transcode it to CDNG which is true raw without loss and even compressed.
I am doing it with my proresraw footages from GH5s and S5 org.
Assimilate or Rawconvertor are the 2 programs which relatively of your CPU GPU are fast.
And liked I said in previous videos comments prores raw CDNG footages from GH5s or S5 is better vs BRAW imho...slightly
So Prores raw is not an issue for RESOLVE user but You need when you import the files to you computer to first transcode them.
It is one more step in the workflow but IQ is top.
Great video
Yours
Fil
Haha well I'm not wrong am I! But I get your point
You're talking about transcoding TBs of footage into another format which isn't Pro Res raw and that's not what I want from my workflow, but yes it's an option for people with lots of time and hard drive space.
I honestly wish Panasonic could just add CNDG as an option to record to through usb-c at least. Transcoding lots of raw footage is a pill most do not want to swallow. Really just wish BlackMagic would add Prores raw support in Resolve.
@@ledheavy26 well I hope in the future that at least we will have a proxy file when recording prores raw internally with GH7...because I suppose it is not possible now....
About transcoding I do it mostly directly when importing at night...if you like full control and need raw footages it is rewarding...but sure 5.8K prores HQ is already top...so probably no need to go prores raw road.
I think the benefit of BRAW is that there's a bit more flexibility on the compression options too as well as the compatibility.
If Resolve ever offer PRR support then it's game on.
You filmed this is the Barican Botanical gardens Ed. Nice one. :)
Some of it in Barbican London with Josh Cameron and the rest in Palermo with Stef!
@@EdProsser I saw Josh Cameron walking past at the Olympia show in London. I can't afford the GH7 right now as I am an out of work filmmaker. Great footage Ed with Stef!
which speedboster best in low budget ?
I've only tested the metabones so I'd recommend that
i had that same issue (jittery footage) with the s5iix
Strange not noticed it on the S5 iix. Is this with the E-stabilization?
When you did your 240fps test were you shooting 4:2:2 /10 bit/All-I/800Mbps or a lower bit rate, color depth, long GOP?
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Hey Mark not 100% sure, was a few weeks back, compared to 4k at the time, project is archived, will check if I get time!
Thanks for the info. Useful. Would have been nice to see the Summilux at 10mm vs the Sigma at 18mm on the Speedbooster.
Yeah the idea was to demonstrate what the real world crop actually looks like in practice. If I'd had a bit more time with the kit you're right I could have expanded on that.
Great review!
You know, Baselight and Assimilate both have native colour grading support for ProRes RAW. They don't seem to get talked about at all
Probably because they don't have mainstream use like the other NLEs
@@EdProsser they're more common in professional environments though, especially on set
Great review!!!
Thanks!
Great video but pls get some normal frame rate stuff too because it processes the image differently so there can be a difference in image quality and people aren't shooting high frame rate 90% of the time
There is some 25fps, I did not notice a difference between 25 and 50.
Q. VND What is the VND your using on the 10-25
The H&Y revoring
i'm disappoint, it's not GH7, it's must be name GH6s
Switch from GH series to Fuji X-H2s.
Why?
the best camera ever.
Kind of amazing to me people just give blackmagic a pass for not supporting Pro Res Raw in resolve. Its on so many camera at this point. There's no excuse imo
I don't know if it's Apple or BM that restricts this function.
You said that you found 240 fps HD unacceptable. Did you actually spend any time shooting with it? I shoot 240 fps on the GH6 and have no issues with it.
For me the image fell apart, compression artefacts, noise, loss of detail and sharpness. On its own it might be acceptable, but next to footage shot up to 120 it doesn't sit well. I'm sure if you light it properly and do minimal grading you could get away with it, but I would not use it professionally.
@@EdProsser I'll get back to you once mine arrives.
@@EdProsser One more quick question: When you did your test were you shooting 4:2:2 /10 bit/All-I/800Mbps or a lower bit rate, color depth, long GOP???
Don't think black magic would be allowing there competitors to use there own codec, seeing its one of the selling points of the products.........
Well it might increase uptake of resolve even further and pull more people away from apple. Otherwise they may eventually need to enable PRR in resolve.
convert to cDNG... better than BRAW and works at davinci resolve with no problem... I shoot with prores raw, convert to cDNG with my sony and directly in cDNG with Sigma FP...
Yeah it's an option, but not a workflow I want to adopt for a busy shooting workflow.
@@EdProsser you can use scripts to automate it. You will already make extra copies of files, convert files for use in VFX pipeline, etc, not difficult to add another process into it. Does not take time, just a few minutes to convert hours of footage. Worth the process since the amount of data in the image allows better manipulation of it. But yes, you are right too in saying prores raw is a stupid choice be it by lumix or atomos or Sony, others formats of raw, from open source cDNG to some proprietary would be more universal! Nikon and canon raw video is an example.
@@undrsonr5316 I think BRAW would have been amazing. Decent compression options meaning you can squeeze more out of the smaller internal media.
But I guess PRR is better than no RAW.
Most of the time Pro Res HQ will be suffice. Will be interesting if this follows in their next flagship
Some nice video but literally any camera will look good in proper light, even an iPhone. Take it into low light though and see what happens. Sensor size will matter.
But that's like saying if you shoot in poor conditions it'll look bad... Professionally why would you go around shooting in low light? In low light most cameras will look bad, my Komodo will look bad when you underexpose it etc..
@@EdProsser True but Ive been shooting professionally for 20 years now and there are going to be times where the lighting, or lack thereof, is beyond your control. Concerts, nightclubs, indoor sporting events and other dimly lit conditions where you are not allowed to bring any type of lighting, a M43 sensor is going to struggle badly. Even some weddings and/or receptions are low light and they may not want you bringing lighting in, again that little sensor is going to struggle. I actually just shot an event in a casino a few nights ago with my G95 and 25 f/1.7 and the video was just not good at all. The video from my iPhone 15 Pro Max looked better to be honest.
I like Panasonic and have owned dozens of their cameras. Everything from little LX series point and shoots and FZ bridge cameras (still have an FZ50) to M43 and the S5 Mark II. I wouldn't trust any f their M43 cameras for anything professional unless it was in optimal lighting. The GH7 is also considerably overpriced for a M43 camera and Panasonic badly needs a quality M43 with PDAF in the $1,500 price range. The competition have them. Canon, Sony, Fuji....I just picked up an a6700 yesterday because I wasn't going to pay $2k for a G9II.
If you shoot events and weddings then for sure, I've never really done that though. I shot docs and interviews with the GH4 and 5 for years and was absolutely fine! Right camera for the right job etc.
If I can use my EF glass with auto with speedboster I’m in if not I’ll pass.
Kai Wu tested some EF lenses with SpeedBooster on the G9 Mark II a while back, and they worked reasonably well. I've seen a few other tests online, too. Native lenses work better, but at least you get some degree of AF compatibility. IBIS works with everything.
@@williamburkholder769 the AF on the metabones speedbooster I tested was pretty horrendous. But I have heard they will be updating the firmware in August. So am hopeful they will. It'll definitely add another plus point to kicking up the camera.
Adapted EF glass on the S5 iix works super well on my Sigma Mc-21
Hi men, please can you tell what i am doing wrong with my GH7 but i cant set any autofocus for 120 or 100 fps…:( and also 4K 120fps i have cropped image… why ? Thanks a Lot for your answear 😊
Are you shooting in S&q / VFR mode? You have to select 100 / 120 from your codec menu, 120 will be available if you're in NTSC / 60hz and 100 will be available if you're in PAL 50hz
@@EdProsser it just doesnt work …i am trying all possibilities all VFR modes in 60 and 50hz with leica lenses and still nothing just like the gh6 just manuál focus in 4K 120 but with crop :( dont you wanna make quick video tutorial or something ? I cant find anywhere how to achieve that …or i dont know but it makes me crazy
You should not be in VFR mode. In the same place you set your codec and resolution, that's where you select it. Above 60fps you lose AF tracking which is what you might be refering to, but you still get the general PDAF
@@EdProsser THX !
Triggering rec with the shutter button is a very tiny thing that I appreciate.
Yes! I love that it has lots of record buttons... Unlike my Komodo 😒
I just got my GH7 on the actual release date and I’m very disappointed in the PDAF. The focus is drifting and it seems no better than the GH6.
Strange! What frame rates are you shooting in and what settings are you using? I found it pretty snappy on mine.
@@EdProsser I was using 24 and tried all of the human focus setting. What are your frame rate and settings so I may try it?
@@Sethmotley what aperture were you shooting at and what lens? I usually shoot 25 FPS or 50 FPS in 4k
@@EdProsser I was shooting with the kit lens 12-60 at 24 fps 4K open gate
Hmm strange what aperture? I can't remember how the AF behaves in open gate, but you should get boxes around things that it's actively tracking. You can change the AF speed and stickyness / sensitivity in the settings this might help
All though well presented and interesting, I found your verdict a bit meh and borderline disappointing. You seem a little biased against M4/3 even though you’ve had them in the past and your verdict on the AF doesn’t seem in line with other reviewers, most say it’s as good as if not better than Sony/Canon.
If I was looking at buying this then based on your review I wouldn’t, which is sad.
Thank you though.
Every review is biased, it's a personal opinion. What was disappointing about my verdict? I pretty much say it's a fantastic camera! My job isn't to convince anyone to buy a camera it's to use it and then share my honest thoughts. Plenty of people have also watched this and had the opposite reaction to buy it. Like I say it's a great camera, but no camera is perfect.
There is a reason why many users moved on from the MFT system after the GH5.
Also, you shouldn't base any buying decision on a single review. Again I don't work for Panasonic it's not my job to sell cameras! Plenty of LUMIX centric channels that will do that.
If you didn't buy the camera, what's the harm in that?
why testing IBIS and slowdown to 50% ....
@@mex5341 yeah probably should have shot more at 25fps! Just got excited about chasing the moped riders and forgot to switch back!
No it doesn’t make sense unless you like the look and desire the look for certain projects.
Full frame just looks better but I do see a need for MFT, just not for me😆
Why does it look better?
FF looks better? Nonsense.
There is no full frame look lol.
@@D3AL1O yes there is, I’ve had 4 MFT cameras and 2 full frame cameras and they definitely have a sharper look in comparison to their MFT counterparts. The great thing about is, I had 4 Panasonic MFT cameras now I have a Panasonic S1. I also had a Pocket 4k and now o have the Cinema 6k. Both the same companies for sensor size comparisons. Go and find your best GH5s wedding video and compare it to a S1 or S5 wedding video, night and day difference. If you can’t see the improved, color, shadow detail and image quality, maybe you can’t see.
I had 8 MFT lenses and trust me I wanted to stay with MFT but the full frame variants are just better.
@@EdProsser better color, sharper more detailed image. I just sold my Pocket 4k and sold my GH5 and G9 years ago.
They shoot great footage but full frame shoot better footage. Only a few are still trying to make those crop factors work. Your cropping in on the lens with MFT even if it’s the center of the lens. ANY crop takes away from resolution.
The image of Panasonic full frame vs their MFT cameras are two totally different images. There’s not one TH-cam that look better from Panasonic than their full frame cameras. It offers Panasonic best video quality.
Take the time and go through some videos, I did and they have different looks.
I dont understand this "the camera is good but u can get a full frame with half a stop more dynamic range" bla bla. Sony cameras have more dynamic range than canons. Should people stop buyin canon? The question is not what can full frame cameras a bit better or not. The question is does the camera get the job done or does it suit me. This but the sensor is small talk is unbearable. I had to decide so i buy s52x or gh7 and i bought gh7 because it does what i need and it overall is the best camera for me.
Agree, always go for what's right for you. Everyone does diff work and has diffs needs. Have fun with your GH7 it's a beautiful camera!
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I had slowly started to take Panasonic seriously with the S5 series and new autofocus. But after introducing the s9, Panasonic is once again a laughing stock in my eyes
Strange take in my opinion - I think they're releasing some of the best cams on the market for great prices. The GH7 is a continuation of that!
Amazing camera. When’s the last time a good m43 lens came out? Just saying. Give us the s1h2 already
LAOWA Argus like a month ago?
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You win the first comment prize 🏆
Learn to shoot in manual focus and stop crying about the auto focus.
Not sure anyone is crying over autofocus, maybe sounds like you're a bit upset about something?
I primarily shoot on manual cine lenses, own a set of Vespids for years. I only got my first AF camera about a year ago, LUMIX S5 iiX. It's definitely useful for certain jobs, it's a tool and tools should be used.
never broken an SD card. nonsense.
Yes it must be nonsense that a small plastic postage stamp is less robust than an all metal housing.
*Sorry My friend, but like so many great shooters who post on their TH-cam channels you simply don't know how to grade your footage ! What you're shooting should look waaaaayyyyyy better than it does here ! Sorry, but this footage doesn't look very good at all. I would take this post down and re-grade the ProRes RAW footage all over again. You are not doing the GH7 much justice.*
Give me some tips!
@@EdProsser I can't give you some tips for this. You have to have an innate sense of colour coordination and image and density balance. It's like these commercials that were running before about how anyone can become a great colourist - NO THEY F'ING CAN'T ! If that were so, then how come producers pay professional colourists tens of thousands of Dollars to grade their footage ? Why not just grade it themselves and save alot of money ? The reason is because they can't grade it themselves.
What a shame, I guess I'll just give up!
@@EdProsser Wise move, actually. Recognize where your strengths and talents lie, in your case, it looks like it's in shooting and editing, and rely on auto colour correct and applied LUTS features embedded in your post production workspace, and stop trying to go by your eye. Believe me you career will go much further.
Great video as usual! About the gh7, i wouldn't think about that camera for 0,0000000000001 sec ever. It's not only the nano sensor, the image looks just so bad imho
That is definitely personal preference. I think it looks superb!
I was definitely very impressed by it, what is it in particular about the image that you don't like? In guessing you hate the look of Panasonic's other cameras too?
@@EdProsser na i like Panasonic but the highlights look always blown out, skintones in shadow look really really bad, shadow look super dark. Idk, there is nothing I like🙈
@@chakk0 might just be the grade on this, plus I was shooting in VERY bright conditions with just a VND (was on holiday)
@@EdProsser I like your shots and the video also because it's superb done but the gh7, no way 🙈 I would take an old blackmagic all day or a cheap canon eos before the gh7