Lumix GH7 vs S5iiX Which is Better for Video?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you're a videographer, you may be wondering whether to upgrade to the GH7 micro four-thirds camera OR switch to Full frame S5ii or S5iiX. This video should help you decide which camera is best for you in 2024.
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Which would you choose and why??? 🎥
GH7，cause i am a GH5 USER！
I’ll be getting a gH7 I’m also a S5iix new user. Will be selling my gh6.
Can’t let go of my MFT system it offers too much. I’d still choose it over my FF system. Other then HDR and lowlight I feel MFT wins pretty much every where else. Besides blurry background. But I use metabones so I’m good in that regard. 😊
I just got an S5IIX , I also have 2 Fuji APS-C cameras. I always get comments like ." Nothing compares to full frame ", two different cameras, full frame is for professional work anything smaller is for hobbyists.
Bla bla i do pro work with mft, i get paid. Eho is the hobbyist?@@TwoTimesRmedia
Gh7.I have the mft line up.
You are correct about the GH7 not having dual native ISO, as that is a feature usually reserved for more photography-focused cameras... BUT, the GH7 DOES have a Dual Output GAIN system, which is usually reserved for high-end cinema cameras like the Arri Alexa. Each pixel on the sensor of the GH7 is read out at two different amplification levels, one high and one low, and the two read-outs are then combined to make a single image. This is much preferred to Dual ISO for cine cameras, as it allows the camera to record video with much deeper shadows and highlights.
Is there much of a difference between dual iso and dual output gain? Is that not the same technology only being used in different ways? I thought a dual gain or dual iso as they’re used interchangeably meant there are 2 optimised gain levels, in the S5 cameras you can use those 2 at the different levels to maintain dynamic range and noise performance even at the higher iso. In the Gh7 it takes the 2 levels reads them both and combines it, like in an arri or C70. Could it not be possible to offer the second gain level as a second base iso. You would lose dynamic range boost but potentially gain a cleaner low light performance as you would be exposing your mid and highs to the second gain level rather than the first 500iso base.
Would be nice to have the choice to swap out of dynamic range boost for potentially a cleaner, albeit a lower dynamic range, shot.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, I really don’t know haha
Too bad the GH7 doesn't produce a deeper image like cine cameras. Good try my man.
@@jockturner1547 No, you are mostly correct. With the GH6 for example, it combines ISO 100 and ISO 800 when using a standard or natural profile with Dynamic Range Boost ON. In VLOG, it combines 250 and 2,000. If you turn DRB OFF, you can basically use either of those 2 ISOs (depending on if you are in vLOG or standard) as a native ISO. Many different tests on TH-cam show that they basically act as 2 different native ISOs. For example, in vLOG with DRB OFF, 1800 is much noisier than 2000 is. It's basically the same thing as dual native ISO, but you also have the option to combine both of them for better DR. Does that make sense?
@@contentm3893 That's obviously not true at all, as the GH6 and GH7 are the only 2 cameras on the market rated for Arri's LOG profile to run NATIVELY in camera. The GH7 is brand new and has many updates needed to get the IQ to match up to the GH6, but the GH6 is one of the best cine cameras on the market in terms of IQ and color science.
@@Studiotek Well yeah that’s what I said really… in the GH7 and G9ii you can’t turn off DRB, which means you can’t take advantage of the second native iso as you said for the GH6. So I can’t make the choice to lower my dynamic range and improve my noise performance.
I will never forget that moment when my S5 arrived and I took my first video with it - wooaaahhhh - amazing. I knew from that moment on, I had to have a full-frame camera. I'd love a GH-7 too but if I had to choose, only one winner for me.
Sold all my full frame gear from Nikon and canon several years back and went all in on M4/3. Very good decision. My normal setup is a GH6 10-25 1.7f It does everything I need.
This is the video I've been waiting for. I started out using the original G9 for my wedding films so I've been thinking about either G9ii, GH7 or the S5ii......think I'm going to move to Full Frame. Great video Sam.
Open gate is way better on the the GH7 because of the aspect ratio.
Thank you for this review!!!
Very informative
Great video Sam! If you wanted to try some primes i'd recommend the lumix leica 9mm f1.7 for some of the old vlogging. Not sure how much you use 50mm but the lumix leica 25mm f1.4 is one of my favourite lenses ever 👌📷
Thanks for your thoughts. I have 2 GH5S's and a GH6 so I am invested in MFT lenses. 3 cinema primes and a DZO zoom. Will get a GH7 for the auto focus at some point. I use BRAW not ProRes RAW. But I am interested in seeing the specs on a S1H Mark 2. The S5's don't interest me. There needs to be more than buying a full frame camera just to have full frame.
New channel coming thats going to be fun - nope wont be getting the GH7 as well but awesome video as always buddy !
Fantastic video Sam!
Nice review. I’m thinking between those 2 which to get, still didn’t decide, as have a micro 4/3 glasses.
Would you please do a video explaining how do you process your voice in YT vidoes??
Can’t wait for the S2H!
Thank you for the effort, great video.
Both are great but I'd probably go for the GH7 because of the smaller, cheaper lenses. BTW, how did you get Zelensky to take part in your video?
As we keep being reminded, Zelensky will be anyone's for a few bucks ;)
Ive been a M43 user for years had the GH5/6 and G9 so have a heap of Lens for it. I just recently picked up the S5IIX and abosultly love it. I will still be getting the GH7 and sell the GH6 and G9 as both cameras will cover all needs. Plus its going to take some time to get a good range of lens for the S5IIX
Thanks @SamHolland for doing this video! Really appreciate it mate. :)
V90 SDcards are now more expensive than equivalent CFexpress Type B cards !!
Sam, Which max iso in vlog would you suggest to use for gh7?
Look at this pic the sensor size difference is huge. Yet they have the similar dynamic range in log mode. That is wild. Full frame camera need to further improve their dynamic range.
Shooting with the old and trusty GH5 now so the GH7 is a bit easier to switch to, but I must admit that my mind is trying to convince me to switch to full frame. Don't know if it will make it though. 😄 Great video Sam!
@@AndreasSando The S5IIX is fine as long as you don't need most of the features of the GH7, like uncropped 60fps, 120fps in 4k (also uncropped), no time limits, higher bitrate video, etc
Slightly more moire on the S5IIX though vs. the smaller sensor of the GH7.
So if you're planning on using the S5IIX for higher end cinema work, that's something to keep in mind.
Or just wait for the S2H. No doubt that Panasonic is going to rock the camera world with that beast of a machine!
nice comparison video! how about the moire on GH7? there has been few video showing S5II has bad moire.
Very helpful video! I was thinking about a move from full-frame to the GH7 but I've decided to stick with the S5iiX mostly for dynamic range. Love that full-frame! Thanks! Sam, how come you're not on Patreon?
GH7 does sound impressive (6K) depends on the context of the video. informative content thanks Sam.
Thanks for the review❤. I do wish the lens used on the GH7 is any of the m4/3 f1.7 which would give an equivalent of the f3.5 used on the S5iiX considering the 2x crop of m4/3. Personally, I don’t like the S5iiX for the crop in 4k60 & lack of 4k120 which II prefer the GH7 for & also the GH7 LCD screen
AF on both are very good but I do like to see what the AF would be on the GH7 with adapted FF EF lenses via speed booster. If it does performers well then the GH7 would have similar DoF and low light capability similar to the S5iiX.
Im thinking of switching to s5iix because of the noise control, however shooting gh6 on a CF card at 120fps 4k is amazing.
I've never had so much trouble telling apart MFT footage from full frame! Both look great, but for prize and size, the question almost becomes - Why not just get full frame?
if you have an MFT lens with an aperture of F0.95? If you want to see how such a lens draws a picture and gh6 captures it, I have a video on my channel.
I have the s5iix, so the s5iix
What's your second channel?
So when is the S5iiX getting Arri? There isn't much of a reason for why we shouldn't as far as I know.
@@GrainOnTheGo The S5IIX does not have Dual Gain Output like the GH6, GH7, and Arri Alexas have, so I don't think it's possible
You can get it in post in DaVinci Resolve
@@LumixGang You can convert it in post, yes!
I don’t have one of them yet, but I’m going to switch to 5-2x, because I need a camera for photos and videos, for photos I have a Nikon 7100, it’s clear that they are also not sitting idly by and have updated their cameras. like Nikon Z 6-3, but expensive, the price is a bit expensive, G-7, it’s all in one for a certain segment of people who know the merits of this Lumix line, but without practice I will refrain from it, I work on Panasonic G-90 and I’m very pleased because Panasonic has become like Volkswagen, introducing its cameras with the latest technologies in the photo and video industry
What about a OLPF???
If you are all in on a ghl user stay. The GH is top of the line. S5iix is a great camera but it is entry level Panasonic full frame and you have to get all new lenses
Привет из России)) Смотрю ваш канал с удовольствием. Сам пользуюсь Panasonic S5 . Очень хорошая камера 😊
nice!
10:23 xD this reaction!
Not enough subs still. TH-cam is failing this guy. Top tier.
Any low-light video?
There is a video on my channel about coffee with a beautiful girl, the lighting there was terrible.
You had to cripple the S5iiX in order for it to seem on par with the GH7, maybe... don't do that?
Leica 10-25 & 25-50 F1.7 Zoom Lenses are 🔥
Yeah, those lenses set fire to your bank account! 😂🤣
Oh .. and on the crop .. Sony ??? The equivalent Sony to the S5-II / S5-II X is the Sony A7IV .. and that also crops in 4k60. The only FF camera in that price range that doesn't crop 4k60 is the Canon EOS R6 Mk II !!
Better compare S5iiX and Z6III !:)
Regarding lenses for MFT it is worth considering both Panny amd Oly. Here are my suggestions:
- Panasonic Leica 25mm f1.4 is standard prime lens gold.3D pop etc.
- Olympus 45mm f1.8 is unbelievably small and cheap and gives a good taste of Olympus feathered bokeh.
- Olympus 75mm f1.8 is a work of art and, compared with a FF, delivers 150mm equivalent very discretely. It delivers feathered bokeh similar to the Oly 45mm f1.2.
- Panasonic 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 is the quintessential MFT holiday / travel lens.
- Panasonic 9mm F1.7 is vlogger gold.
Other options:
- PL 10-25mm is zoom GOAT but big for MFT (yet not that heavy). Add a 42.5mm/ 45mm for portraits.
- Oly 12-40mm f2.8. Great standard zoom. Manual focus clutch can be handy for video. Add the 75mm for outside portraits / sports.
I’m using several of the lenses you mentioned. The 10-25, 42.5 nocticron, and oly 12-40. Basically all I need. I’d like to add the 25-50 1.7 to round out my set.
And Lumix 20mm F1.7 Pancake for Street Photography
GH4 GH5 GH5s GH6 ---> GH7
I think the GH7 kinda defeats the purpose of MFT. In my book those kinda cameras are supposed to be small and the GH7 is a chonky boi for sure. How on Earth did they manage to make the GH7 heavier than the S5 II?! I'm also far more invested in full frame glass so for me the choice is fairly easy. S5IIx all the way.
Why do you non mft users aleays talk this mft has to be small crap? Gh cameras never have been small. They are professional hybrid cameras. I buy gh cameras because they are good not because they are small. My gh can do much more than your s5
@@castielvargastv7931 Check your assumptions, mate, I have an Olympus E-PL3 and a GX80 which I both bought because they're small. MFT is limited by physics which is less of a problem nowadays for low light but is still unsolvable for depth of field. Totally agree: Your GH can do more than my S5 and it's all stuff I don't need. What I need for my artistic vision is shallow depth of field, swirly bokeh etc. to match what I'm doing photographically on film for stills. And that's something no MFT camera can do. Size is the only true strength MFT has and all the manufacturers are ignoring that strength at the moment. I don't need Arri log, I need a small camera with good stabilisation, PDAF, mechanical shutter and a viewfinder 🤷♀ FF is pricing MFT out of relevance for professional work IMHO. There is just no reason to put a dinky sensor in a massive camera when sensor price isn't a factor anymore. 10 years ago MFT made a lot of sense, but it has been going through a bit of an identity crisis lately. I hope the format returns to its strengths instead of just being abandoned because it can't compete with sensors 4 times the size. That doesn't mean the GH7 is a bad camera, cracking performance for such a small sensor, definitely. I just think that it's pitted against too many FF alternatives now.
@@LillySchwartz depth of fied is not my concern i shoot at 2.8 which is 5.6 in full frame, in film work f4 to f8 is common, so i have everything i need. I shoot 2.8 for my studio photography work as well as i want more than one eye in Focus i own a gx80 , a g81 and a gh5 . Gx80 and g81 are outdated and not good enough in terms of dynamic range , af and everything else but image quality. I use a batterygrip for filming and photography. I want my camera bigger not smaller. I want room for my hands and not a toy. I earn money with my cameras, ergonomics are important for work and tiny cameras are not ergonomic. I dont see any advantage in using a full frame camera for what i do, only disadvantages. No full frane camera can compete with a g92 or gh7 for the same price
@@castielvargastv7931 Well, there we have it, it's the right camera for what you do, but I have different requirements because I earn my money from the "fine art" side of things rather than studio work. I need shallower depth of field for my work which is why I went for the S5. My MFT requirements are also different because I usually carry it alongside other heavier cameras usually shooting film. I also have smaller hands, so for me ergonomically the S5 II is already quite uncomfortable to hold. The grip on the GH7 looks even more uncomfortable. As for competing for the same price: Since I earn money with my cameras too the price doesn't really make much of a difference, 500 more or less every 5 years really make no proper dent anymore, does it? Also the GH4 was 1700€ same as the full frame Sony A7. The GH7 is 2200€ and the S5 II is 1600€ at the moment. And what does the GH7 bring to the table when the extra features it offers are irrelevant for most people getting into videography right now? What about 5 years from now when there are plenty of used FF options that will offer anything a videographer might need because we've practically reached peak video now? Even Panasonic sees the writing on the wall for MFT or they would have updated the GX80 instead of giving us a full frame camera without a viewfinder first. I hope the GH7 will be a success for them, but I have my doubts about the GH8 or GH9.
1. MFT still has smaller and lighter (and cheaper) lenses.
2. Not every MFT has to be small (as not every FF has to be big),
3. Can you give one example of FF with similar specs which is smaller or at least the size of GH7? 5.7K 60 fps, open gate, 4K120 oversampled full width, RAW recording, truly unlimited recording (active cooling and no artificial limit), IBIS... I can't remember a single one at least close, not to mention price and lenses.
(And before you add "I don't need XY...", someone else might need it, so it doesn't matter in this regard.)
I've said it once before, and I'll say it one last time...
I find the frequent cuts distracting.
My non-pro enthusiast perspective:
- Great review Sam. Try the 9mm for GH7 / G9II vlogging.
- As I have a 5DIII I don’t need a FF for stills.
- I have a G9 with 7 primes (Oly and PL) and 2 zooms (Oly Pro and Panny) and LOVE the smaller size and weight of the lenses.
- I bought a LUMIX 50mm S f1.8 anticipating I’d get a S5II. BUT I really like the images coming out of the G9II and GH7.
- The G9II and S5II have more than enough capability for me.
I’m thinking about a G9II or a GX9II if it ever arrives.
In a few years I might get a S5II )or a S9 if it is cheap enough).
If I was starting from scratch… hmmm…I think a G9II.
If I could have my cake and eat it with no budget limit and accounting for future cameras, id get a GX9II (assuming it arrives and is basically a G9II minus some things…) plus a new S1H2, or whatever it is to be called.
I have a G9 and S5, and while the G9 video is excellent on it's own, the S5 is a real cut above. 10bit 422 and even 420 v-log graded with Gamut Rec709 LUT is stunning. The colours and sense of 'thickness' to the image are noticeably better. The cinelikeD2 and V2 on the S5 are much better than the G9's cinelike D and V. Get a secondhand S5, you will not be disappointed. I still love my G9, but when I want optimal still and video quality, S5 is the one. S5 batteries are backwards compatible and higher capacity, too.
BUT..
4:18 Is that Volodymyr Zelenskyy?
If you have big hands to handle big lenses go FF everyone else go MFT
I thought the GH7 like the GH6 does have a dual native iso at 800 and 2000
Dual Gain Output, not dual ISO. It's different. DGO is for cine cameras like the Arri Alexa
I’m getting tired of topics such as “which one is better” for video; really, it just comes down to what tells your story the most. Ever since the dawn of TH-cam, all the content we’ve gotten is “which camera is the best.” Why can’t we just have good stories?
There are some people out there choosing their first pro camera and are asking the question which is best for them 🙏🏻
@samholland I agree 100%, just some of these poor viewers won’t get pass their first shot because it’s not the latest GH# or S# whatever.
It’s just the landscape now unfortunately, we’ve created a “latest and greatest” consumerist culture.
Both of those cameras are great for video! Fantastic even! But so was the GH5, GH4 even. Or even the OG S5…
But letting a beginner spend $2K+ on a camera body is terrible advice.
Amazing content as always though
Best camera channel. Period
GH5S IS WINNER 😮
Any chance of getting that arri log on s5iix as an paid update 😅
No, it has a photography sensor (dual ISO) and not a cine sensor (dual gain output) like the GH6/7 and Arri Alexa
It's not just the blurry background. It's what you get with full frame and compressing the background like you had in your sample footage.
Compression is a function of lens choice and physics, any sensor size can do it as well as any other sensor size if you just understand the basic physics behind it
@@evocati6523 exactly.
I keep hearing about the mythical 'full frame look' and yet skilled cine's shooting on S35 Arri's get exactly the same result with the correct lens selection.
Such a hard debate. I come from the GH5. Both these cameras have their pros. But I think the dynamic range/better low light will nudge me to the FF.
Get a speed booster and a fast lens like the Canon 50mm f1.2, then you will get great low light from m4/3 camera & all the other advantages the GH7 have over the S5iiX like 4k120, great LCD, ProRes raw etc.
@@kayodeolaosebikan7462 Ya, I got the sig 18-35 and it all works out to being something like a 25-50mm f2.4 in FF terms. So the classic FF 24-70 f2.8 would be a native lens and be 'better'. Then if you want less depth of view, or more light, you can always get faster lens for FF. Also native lens will work much better with auto focus.
So the old speed booster option is a great to have if you have no choice to use it. By today's standards its not longer what I would call 'professional' if your doing low light events/indoors stuff where you don't have control of the light. Speed boosters are more of a hack then a standard in quality or workflow.
Gh7 had raw float audio. Being able to have all that audio magic without post production is gold. But full frame is still the goat 🐐
'But full frame is still the goat ' - Roger Deakins has a different opinion to that.
And no, not trolling. Just saying.
Have a great day!
Get a proper video camera if you want excell at making videos. Video is much more than the image quality.
Zelensky himself 11:27
S5iix has some of the worst internal codecs and sooc quality I’ve ever seen in any modern camera - if you need full frame just get a used S1H or go with any other brand.
That comment seems a bit harsh. Many consider it to be some of the best.
@@DemocratiserThe comments SHOULD be harsh. Lumix get a lot of leeway because they are a small brand, but they really dropped the ball with the S5II/X when compared to the S5 or S1H - unbelievable drop in image quality
@@weinergod666 LUMIX flagged PDAF would have an impact. But is it really worse than comparable cameras like A7III or IV or Nikon Z6II or Canon R6II? I think you would find opinions are split.
Yes, the difference is striking (even more in 4k or C4K), I honestly can't understand why so few people speak about this. At this point, I think most S5ii or S5iix users don't really need 4k if they can't see how worse the image quality is compared to the S5 mark I, S1 or S1H.
@@Democratiser I think it is not PDAF because external raw on the S5II has not the issue, maybe they allowed more processing power for the IBIS and less for image processing. Because the IBIS of the S5ii and S5ix is much better than the S1, S5 or S1H.