I'd actually want to explain MY explanation to the games's mysteries and like, it's almost fully confirmed at this point, so please hear me out and allow me to destroy all your theories! ^^ (Relax it's just a joke, you did a great job too ^^'). Well firstly, the Paradox Pokémon, they're 100% real, but no, they aren't from past/future, they're from parallel timelines, that's Terapagos's powers, it can use a magical mist to bring Pokémon from other timelines to its own, we don't know if these timelines are in the future/past though, they could very well be ancient/futuristic-looking, it's countless timelines, everything's possible. Now about the professors at Crystal Pool, they aren't OUR professors, they're from another timeline as well, a very similar one though, one where they gave us their Scarlet/Violet Book in exchange for Briar's Book (and yes i know there were copies of it but only THEIR copy has their name on it with a very clumsy handwriting, from when they were a child), now, our professors however still had their Scarlet/Violet Book and even turned it into a key to turn down the Time Machine, besides, in our timeline, Arven was born just as the professors brought Koraidon/Miraidon to their timeline, but the other professors's Arven was already born and they still didn't pull any Paradox Pokémon yet. That's pretty much a fact to me when you pay attention to all tiny details, there's no way those professors are the same ones we've heard of in the games and the Paradox Pokémon are already claimed to be from other timelines, the professors at the Crystal Pool confirmed that, it's a fact.
bro legends z-a was so cool to watch the teaser of! I literally stayed up until midnight just to watch it live, but TH-cam kept crashing. it didn’t crash while they were announcing z-a, which was really nice, but I rewatched it like 59 times so I guess it didn’t really matter lol
Mega evolutions was created by a superweapon. Z moves were created by a light dragon from another dimension. Dynamax was created by a poison alien dragon the size of a castle. And Terastallization was created by a cute baby turtle
@@lorekeeper685 That all previous gimmicks were created by God of destruction. And Terastallization was made by a cute baby turtle. Terapagos is so cute that he doesn't even know he has the power of a god
its very possible that the "man" came from Paldea, and came WITH the crystals, for the story itself says *"The masks were brilliant works, adorned with gems the man brought from somewhere far away."* if the man is truly death, there's a chance... he died in the crystal pool, and the crystals fell with him, slowly absorbing the energy around it (as explained by the artbook page of the tera orb, and by Briar over why the caves on the underdepths are crystalized; terastal crystals take energy from the environment to turn it into terastal energy, which in turn crystalizes, then these crystals take more energy from the environment, and so on), and growing. as for the core, Briar explicitly says that it's main ingredients are: rocks and ground from Paldea, the region from which the terastal phenomenon originated and the most infected from the insides by it water from kitakami, which originates from the crystal pool and in around 200 years has brought kitakami to a similar level of terastalization as Paldea and after the DLC, crystals she gathered from within the chamber of terapagos, ergo, crystals fueled directly with the stellar type energy and she's managed to turn the terrarium into a perfect copy of the underdepths of area zero, i mean it's hard to hide the fact that the only places you can find tera shards in massive bundles are in the chambers near terapagos, and in the terrarium it's al environmental storytelling, underneath Crispin's arena there's a massive bundle of fire-type tera shards, something that doesn't even happen nearby gym arenas in paldea and atop the core despite fights not even occuring theres 50 stellar-type shards, terastal energy is going a bit haywire nearby the core, and its only been a few days after your and briar's expedition into area zero lastly i just wanna say bootstrap paradoxes are paradoxes of infinite regression, wanna know what else is? the origin of the expression *"it's turtles all the way down"* *edit:* about The terastal phenomenon and desire, everyone who's come close to Terapagos had a wish come true to them, with a monkey's paw-like effect to it. Heath wanted to explore Area Zero, he even encountered the hidden treasure, and found the herba mystica which can possibly cure anything as long as you eat from all types... and yet the glowing pokémon he found lost their shine when they left the crater the herba mystica was stolen and eventually found by the titan pokémon and nobody believed him. The Professors wanted to bring the future/past to the present create a link where these creatures could live with modern pokémon and learn from them and yet, the iron serpent/winged king ended up Killin them as it fought with miraidon/koraidon and the AI they built to help them realized the horrors of this operation and did it's best to shut down the project of their *dreams* finally... Briar... well she proved what Heath saw was true ... and yet her actions not only end up causing the paradox that makes Arven lose his parent, paradox pokémon to endanger paldea, and etc... but might eventually cause terastal energy to go haywire! as for the tree well its another proof of this a seed that managed to unfortunately find it's way to area zero's under depths, before a cave-in possibly, but it's desire to grow caused the terastal energy to feed it's growth... until the crystals took over the whole structure of the tree, feeding off it, while also feeding it back and its not the only crystal tree, trees on the top of Area Zero are already crystalizing as well, and herba mystica is filled to the brim with terastal energy and slowly Paldea itself is succumbing to the terastal energy as well, the growth of the black crystals are proof of this
Some things I noticed in my playthrough that make me think it's something closer to timeline-hopping than outright time travel as we know it: 1) I don't think the Sada/Turo we see at the lake is ours, and I think the game goes out of its way to prove it. They give us the book they would use as a key for the "time machine" in our timeline, the same book that Arven learns about the Herba Mystica from. We don't create a bootstrap, if anything our timeline would cease to exist, because without the Scarlet/Violet book, the events of the main story would not have happened. And the journal entry already being there before we see them at the Crystal Pool proves that our Sada/Turo had the opportunity to give up the book, but didn't (they were greedier). They also literally say they could be in a different timeline 2) this would explain where the Paradox mons come from, as the "time machine" would actually be more of a one-way wormhole with a gate. It's designed to send Pokeballs and retrieve only them, which is why something like a human or AI wouldn't be able to come back, cuz you can't catch them in a ball, and there's no "time machine" on the other side. Also this would mean our professor was just wrong about how their own machine worked but that wouldn't surprise me 3) the Phantom Memory entry actually says that the page he was holding was in his own handwriting, and I took this to mean he met himself from an alternate timeline, though I'm not sure why he doesn't remember it Some things I'm not sure of: 1) assuming Terapagos did not already have its powers prior to the seismic shifts; is the timeline-hopping a quality innate to the crystals, or something that Terapagos "creates" with them? Could Terapagos have slipped into our reality from one where it already had these powers? Is this why there are indications of other creatures filling the Underdepths *prior to the cave's formation* in the second journal entry? Could they have come through the crystals? 2) the region looks like a giant Terapagos. Is this because of Terapagos' influence or the crystals'? Is there a difference? Is it a coincidence? 3) how does this all tie back into Terastalization? Terapagos is clearly invovled, as its face is on every Tera Jewel and its cry is the Terastalization sound, is it like temporarily swapping our Pokemon for one from a different timeline where it's that Tera Type? Is it meant to be like... "refracting" all the different types the way it "refracts" all the different timelines? Much to consider
The Terapagos also works the ultimate example of SV's overall theme of things not being what they seem on the surface. Team Star seemed like street thug bullies, the Loyal Three seemed like noble heroes, Sada/Turo seemed like good if somewhat workaholic people, the list goes on. Players are used to the big important legendary responsible for the whole story to be a Godzilla sized monster that can nuke a continent by sneezing at it, and all the talk about ancient Paldea point towards that direction being the case again Terapagos especially when you realize it is a reference to the World Turtle in a lot of folklore. Then whe you get to Terapagos you find a baby turtle that yes can also nuke the universe if you piss him off but he's really just a naive child unaware of how powerful he is and means no harm.
Terapagos isn’t even a naive unaware baby creature, it actually is a fully grown wild creature from a very distinct species. It is minding its own business, however it sees fit and based on how the species operates. Which I think makes it more realistic and on par with many other Pokémon, except that the Terapagos are very strong yet innocent looking. I really like this aspect for a legendary, it makes it more grounded yet still mystical enough.
4:41 i think that rather than it being our timeline, the paradox mons are from a different timeline where the Pokemon are either all prehistoric or futuristic. It would explain why there isn’t any fossils of them recorded anywhere
There are 2 points I would like to add: 1. Now that we have the book from the respective professors childhood... How did they use this exact copy as the key for the timemachine? 2. The crystals grow over time, so it is possible that the man's crystals ended up in the pool in Kitakami and started growing there to the state we now find them in. He explicitly brought these strange crystals from outside the land, which would make no sense to comment on if they were naturally found there before he arrived with Ogerpon.
I agree that Point 1 is so confusing . The professor of the player's timeline claimed to have received a white copy, which means they would have had given their books to a player from another universe/timeline, yet they still managed to activate the time machines in the main timeline
If I had a nickel for every time a Normal type Legendary had access to the power of all the types, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened thrice.
"Seismic Shifts" could refer to earthquakes, tectonic plate movements, or a meteorite impact, among other things. I think you were closer than you realized to understanding the Light Timeline's origins: Terapagos has always been there, deep underground (possible connection to Diancie and Carbink? Idk), but the meteorite impact that you already figured out caused the Area Zero Crater is still likely what brought Terapagos to the surface, and I think all of your ideas about the Ruin Pokemon, Gen 6 through 8, etc. are all likely still true, but I think there's a deeper connection to Light and Crystals that goes beyond individual Legendary and Mythical Pokemon. I would direct attention to the one held item considered the most-overpowered in the Shadow Timeline (Ruby & Sapphire through Black 2 and White 2): Type Gems. I hypothesize that some small vestige of Terapagos's Power, which is likely what drew the Ultra Beasts, Cosmog (and its evolutions), Necrozma, and Eternatus to our world, and allowed for the creation of terrible weapons and massive Light-based projections and creations, alike, may have been responsible for Type Gems, Evolution Stones, and, dare I say, the power Celebi had (and the same power the Purification Chamber had) that was used to purify Shadow Pokemon. After all, what's more connected to the earth than a forest, and what's older than dirt, itself, if not time, a power you mentioned Terapagos also has? This is really good work, and I think there's a lot to think about, here. Even since Gen 1, Sabrina and other Psychic Trainers have made it clear that a determined enough mind can change the world through thought, alone.
16:50 don't forget that Let's Go ARE remakes, and one releasing this year would have the same gap as it and bdsp so it's possible, regardless if it's Johto or Unova
Lmaoo, that's something I remember her explaining, but I just wondered if the big rock in the middle was special (I'm probably looking too far into it 😭)
The Paradox Pokémon aren't imagined. They're taken from different timelines from *alternate universes*. The Paradox Pokémon dex entries are purposely vague and weird because the existence of Paradox Pokémon is only known by a handful of people at best. The general public doesn't know they exist, and as such, magazines like Occulture come up with outlandish theories as to what these strange Pokémon are.
My headcanon for the paradox pokemon is that they are from different timelines and eras from them. As the pokemon world isnt a stranger to having timeline splits. Plus this also opens up many new ideas for pokemon games so I like it. Maybe the tree represents Terapagos's reach across the timelines which are numerous. I just thought of something. Maybe the Professors used Terapagos's power to go to the timelines they desired. Their paradise. Sada went to a dangerous primal world which limits technological development and has forced pokemon to adapt into being tougher and better survivors while Turo went to a world completely controlled by technology. So they used the power to travel between timelines to find their paradise they talk about.
To be completely honest your theories are what actually got me hyped for the DLC, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it otherwise lol. I was pretty disappointed with how quickly things seemed to wrap up with Terapagos at the end.. I honestly think your ideas were better than what we ended up getting lol (unless we get more official lore with this gen in the future- which i hope to god we do)
A personal head canon of mine is that the terapagos we find was the most powerful of them and was the only one who had access to the tera shift ability and the terastal and stellar forms and being the most powerful of them it was able to survive the cataclysmic event that made them extinct . It makes the terapagos we find feel more legendary to me
The thing I took away from the bootstrap paradox is that we basically ruined Arven’s life. If we didn’t encourage the professor to research more with Briar’s book, maybe they would not have died.
@@sckaze777Yeah, the Professors we gave the books to are actually from a different universe. It's a bootstrap Paradox, but one caused on by lateral shifts in multiple dimensions.
I like your bootstrap theory for the page, however, I think it was most likely Sada/Toro who gave Heath the notes. Also, given that Terapigose is already a time machine, might it not be possible that the paradox pokemon were brought from their respective worlds by Teropigoses power, like how the crystals were formed, but Sada/Toro just made a machine to harness this ability and force Terapigise to bring in any paradox pokemon they want. this would explain why the legendary treo mon's don't look like heath drawing, they are alternative takes on Ente, Swikoon, and Raico/ the swords of justice, and not a fusion. Sorry if the comes across as derogatory, I love your theory, this is just how i see it. Thank you for the fun vid.
16:25 Seems like an event like that would be great promotion for the Legends Z-A game they announced. Maybe when they release the first trailers for the game, perhaps holiday season 2024 for release in 2025, they'll start doing a bunch of Kalos promotion stuff in their spin offs and events
2:32 this is very likely more so a reference to terapagos resembling the world turtle, an anceint idea of the earth being carried on the back of a turtle, which itself is on the back of a larger turtle (it's turtles all the way down) Edit: to clarify, I'm saying that the dex entry doesn't mean that the ancients knew about terapagos, it's saying that terapagos looks like what the ancients thought the planet looked like
I just thought the tree was to show the connection between tera crystals and Herba Mystica - theres a little branch near the base that looks just like the HM item logo.
I don't know if you are gonns read this since now we have to think about the new Legends game. Though I believe this is not a time loop, but a interdimensonal exchange between the playable caracther and Sada/Turo. The reason of this is because of the book the professors give you, which is the same one you and Arven use for helping Mabostiff. The book has the same professor's signature and it's impossible for you to use the book with Arven if the professors gave it away in the past. Even as a loop it doesn't work unless you bring it again in the past in some other way after these events, which is weird. Another reason to think you meet a professor from a different timeline is that the professors talks about their child even without ever meeting Koraidon/Miraidon. When we know that in your timeline child Arven grow up with the legendary, from the books in the little bases in Area Zero. Also this is not too farfetched since we see dimensional travel since ORAS games and a lot in gen 7. Terapagos basically creates portals like Solgaleo Lunala, though it's a different transport system (like difference between trains and plane) which is a weaker than them because humans can travel temporarily, but they lose memory a similar way to dimensional travelers from USUM. Also this explains the existence of paradox Pokémon as another way of Ultra beasts, but much more similar than our Pokémon, since we have infinite dimensions. In conclusion you meet a Sada/Turo from a different dimensions that gives you a different their book and in their timeline Arven probably never uses it with the playable caracther.
A plausible answer as to why the past paradox forms of the legendary beasts could exist is that when ho-oh resurrected them they had also revived those untapped genes bringing them closer to their ancestry(kinda like certain mega evolutions)
Honestly I think the professors are the ones who communicate with heath when he gets the phantom memory page. I imagine when studying terapagos after get the book from you
This is some amazing stuff man, please keep it up you're probably one of my fav upcoming TH-camrs. Only one day til we found out exactly how you messed up
how they tie things together could be interesting, but also i bet they'll just forget it all. probably just like, them setting up lots of interesting plotpoints that they Could expand on, but not having enough dev time because of the development cycles
DLC: “confirms the paradox pokemon are, indeed, from the past/future, of alternate timelines resembling those times” This guy: “we’re gonna ignore that because I still wanna be right. My evidence is that I wanna be right”
One more little thing about the 10:45 sparkles on the logo is that the green and yellow ones are right next to each other, while the pink one is on the opposite side of the letter O from them, which I think further implies them to be Ogerpon, the man, and Pecharunt. Perhaps we will get the "man" as a movie tie in mythical pokemon some time before gen 10?
Still like to think that all gimmicks we had so far are related to the alchemy. I dont remember what exactly op of that theory said, but love that theory really much.
12:28 - I just see the tree as just a further reference to Annihilation (2018), which was clearly a major inspiration for the S/V's opening as well as The Way Home.
Now there is the mysterious shape thats on a tablet in Area Zero, the journals within the game, locations of the ruinous pokemon, the same mysterious crop-shape in area zero and the tablets shape withing the game names logo. I am calling it prior to feb, 27th, 2024 pokemon day. That the Hourglass and Crop-Shape being part of a final FINAL F-I-N-A-L part of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, aswell explaining several unawnsered thing and aswell unlocking 5th ruinous pokemon that both professors havent discovered, as we, the player has discovered most things that was discovered before that few have lived to see. But now, we will experience a pokemon behyond this entire game and the next. It may not make sense to few, but there are many connections to this theory I found and sit with.
Wait doesn't the scene with the professor state directly that the time machine connects to the past or future in alternate timelines? It's still a bootstrap paradox but a different flavor where rather than a single loop it's multiple timelines looping into each other in a series
Speaking of Lockstin, I actually had this big speculative expectation for the Final Story where Terapagos was actually based on Roko’s basilisk and, at least the one let in to this world through its turtley host and terastalization, was evil, manipulating Briar who would manipulate Geeta, Cyrano, and, most importantly *Carmine*, who views her as a mother figure, to help in that goal of letting Terapagos into the mortal plane. Yes, I want to do a rewrite fanfic of ScarVio, especially Indigo Disk; no, I probably don’t have the skill to do so
The powers of Terapagos are benyond of our understanding, maybe he can do things that are like dialga and palkia, creating a distortion of the time-space, making a time travel with another alternative timelines and creating paradox temporals, and can change the type, making us believe it's has the powers of Arceus or somekind, even it's from another world.
My Biggest Problem Is Not Having Access To The Time Machine , It’s Like They Hyped Up Everything About : “ Time Travel/Paradox’s/World Turtle Terpagos Etc Etc “ And Only Gave Us Bits & Pieces Of An Explanation Without Finishing What They Started .. Terapagos’s Storyline Was Really Just Kieran’s ! 😑 I Miss The Days Where The Pokémon Themselves We’re The Highlight Of Pokémon Games And Not The Damn Characters …
I hope this will all actually become something and not just be a bunch of random writers throwing ideas out there with no actual plan in mind, to let fans theorize; and them having no intention to give real answers. I just don't trust that they will add anything more in this generation or come back to these story threads, or have things connected to previous gens
The paradox Pokémon are paradox Pokémon, literally They did not exist in the past, they came from the present, you present game Making them past and future Pokémon they exist in a paradox state
Great video about Terapagos, you explained things very well. Hey what are your thoughts on the idea that the paradox Pokemon might come from alternate timelines? I can't wait to see what gets announced on Pokemon day I honestly think it's going to be something nobody is expecting (not Gen 10). Hey what are some Pokemon video ideas are you thinking about doing next?
If it's true that they are from alternate timelines, then that makes sense with Terapagos space-time shift like the professors said, but it would also make me wrong 😅 lmaoo. Either way I don't mind. I have another sc/vi video planned soon so hopefully I can get that out 🙏
If the next Pokémon Presents happens and there’s no new Gen 9 content and they move straight to something new or straight up Gen 10, that’s going to be both infuriating and hilarious.
@sckaze777 even though there's a contradiction between that & the AI professors saying the paradox pokemon are from different times, that doesn't prove paradox pokemon are fake 🤔
I have noticed that gen 3 got emerald as its last game, gen 5 got bw2 as its last game, and gen 7 got ultra sun and moon as its last game, so what if gen 9 gets Scarlet/Violet 2/Ultra Scarlet/Violet?
I don't think it's really time travell. Terapagos likely has the ability to temporarily link two realities within it's mist, according to one's desire. If you can imagine something, and there are infinite amounts of possibilities out there, then there's bound to be a naturally occurring Pokémon to fit your imagination.
@@sckaze777 But Neither Of Those Were Proven Just Spoken Of .. The Game Is The Definition Of Talking But Not Providing Any Proof Or Explanation . You Don’t Even Use The Time Machine Whatsoever(Even If There Is One) So Time Travel/Alternate Timelines Aren’t A Thing Long As Some As Concerned ..
Paradox Pokémon DO exist though… it was explained by the professors in the crystal pool scene. They’re Pokémon that exist in their own respective timelines, from parallel universes in the far past and far future
This entire video is you desperately trying to make a debunked theory still work while ignoring all evidence of the game screaming at you “no, you’re wrong”
THANKS FOR WATCHING! I'm excited for Pokemon Day. What are you guys expecting to see announced?
It totally won't happen, but I want a Pokémon Rhythm game so badly! I'd like for them to include the Project Voltage songs/music videos too!
Nothing about imagination vs time travel
As sideways timelines confirmed
But pokemon sleep will exists
I'd actually want to explain MY explanation to the games's mysteries and like, it's almost fully confirmed at this point, so please hear me out and allow me to destroy all your theories! ^^ (Relax it's just a joke, you did a great job too ^^').
Well firstly, the Paradox Pokémon, they're 100% real, but no, they aren't from past/future, they're from parallel timelines, that's Terapagos's powers, it can use a magical mist to bring Pokémon from other timelines to its own, we don't know if these timelines are in the future/past though, they could very well be ancient/futuristic-looking, it's countless timelines, everything's possible.
Now about the professors at Crystal Pool, they aren't OUR professors, they're from another timeline as well, a very similar one though, one where they gave us their Scarlet/Violet Book in exchange for Briar's Book (and yes i know there were copies of it but only THEIR copy has their name on it with a very clumsy handwriting, from when they were a child), now, our professors however still had their Scarlet/Violet Book and even turned it into a key to turn down the Time Machine, besides, in our timeline, Arven was born just as the professors brought Koraidon/Miraidon to their timeline, but the other professors's Arven was already born and they still didn't pull any Paradox Pokémon yet.
That's pretty much a fact to me when you pay attention to all tiny details, there's no way those professors are the same ones we've heard of in the games and the Paradox Pokémon are already claimed to be from other timelines, the professors at the Crystal Pool confirmed that, it's a fact.
I have no idea.
Maybe Let's Go Johto?
bro legends z-a was so cool to watch the teaser of! I literally stayed up until midnight just to watch it live, but TH-cam kept crashing. it didn’t crash while they were announcing z-a, which was really nice, but I rewatched it like 59 times so I guess it didn’t really matter lol
Mega evolutions was created by a superweapon. Z moves were created by a light dragon from another dimension. Dynamax was created by a poison alien dragon the size of a castle. And Terastallization was created by a cute baby turtle
So?
@@lorekeeper685 That all previous gimmicks were created by God of destruction. And Terastallization was made by a cute baby turtle. Terapagos is so cute that he doesn't even know he has the power of a god
@@Persona-Joop-157 ye he is perfect
I want to pet it
the writers had some extra spicy hush i guess, got bored of the god of destruction trope and inverted it
Woooow, you were SO CLOSE with the Kalos/Xerneas/Yveltal prediction. SO CLOSE! Who'd have guessed?
“Everything involving kalos.” About that……
Z-A...
as an az myself, that is not even subtle
its very possible that the "man" came from Paldea, and came WITH the crystals, for the story itself says *"The masks were brilliant works, adorned with gems the man brought from somewhere far away."* if the man is truly death, there's a chance... he died in the crystal pool, and the crystals fell with him, slowly absorbing the energy around it
(as explained by the artbook page of the tera orb, and by Briar over why the caves on the underdepths are crystalized; terastal crystals take energy from the environment to turn it into terastal energy, which in turn crystalizes, then these crystals take more energy from the environment, and so on), and growing.
as for the core, Briar explicitly says that it's main ingredients are:
rocks and ground from Paldea, the region from which the terastal phenomenon originated and the most infected from the insides by it
water from kitakami, which originates from the crystal pool and in around 200 years has brought kitakami to a similar level of terastalization as Paldea
and after the DLC, crystals she gathered from within the chamber of terapagos, ergo, crystals fueled directly with the stellar type energy
and she's managed to turn the terrarium into a perfect copy of the underdepths of area zero, i mean it's hard to hide the fact that the only places you can find tera shards in massive bundles are in the chambers near terapagos, and in the terrarium
it's al environmental storytelling, underneath Crispin's arena there's a massive bundle of fire-type tera shards, something that doesn't even happen nearby gym arenas in paldea
and atop the core despite fights not even occuring theres 50 stellar-type shards, terastal energy is going a bit haywire nearby the core, and its only been a few days after your and briar's expedition into area zero
lastly i just wanna say
bootstrap paradoxes are paradoxes of infinite regression, wanna know what else is? the origin of the expression *"it's turtles all the way down"*
*edit:*
about The terastal phenomenon and desire, everyone who's come close to Terapagos had a wish come true to them, with a monkey's paw-like effect to it.
Heath wanted to explore Area Zero, he even encountered the hidden treasure, and found the herba mystica which can possibly cure anything as long as you eat from all types... and yet
the glowing pokémon he found lost their shine when they left the crater
the herba mystica was stolen and eventually found by the titan pokémon
and nobody believed him.
The Professors wanted to bring the future/past to the present create a link where these creatures could live with modern pokémon and learn from them
and yet, the iron serpent/winged king ended up Killin them as it fought with miraidon/koraidon
and the AI they built to help them realized the horrors of this operation and did it's best to shut down the project of their *dreams*
finally... Briar... well she proved what Heath saw was true ... and yet her actions not only end up causing the paradox that makes Arven lose his parent, paradox pokémon to endanger paldea, and etc... but might eventually cause terastal energy to go haywire!
as for the tree
well its another proof of this
a seed that managed to unfortunately find it's way to area zero's under depths, before a cave-in possibly, but it's desire to grow caused the terastal energy to feed it's growth... until the crystals took over the whole structure of the tree, feeding off it, while also feeding it back
and its not the only crystal tree, trees on the top of Area Zero are already crystalizing as well, and herba mystica is filled to the brim with terastal energy
and slowly Paldea itself is succumbing to the terastal energy as well, the growth of the black crystals are proof of this
"Turtles all the way down", that's Hindu myth?
Some things I noticed in my playthrough that make me think it's something closer to timeline-hopping than outright time travel as we know it:
1) I don't think the Sada/Turo we see at the lake is ours, and I think the game goes out of its way to prove it. They give us the book they would use as a key for the "time machine" in our timeline, the same book that Arven learns about the Herba Mystica from. We don't create a bootstrap, if anything our timeline would cease to exist, because without the Scarlet/Violet book, the events of the main story would not have happened. And the journal entry already being there before we see them at the Crystal Pool proves that our Sada/Turo had the opportunity to give up the book, but didn't (they were greedier). They also literally say they could be in a different timeline
2) this would explain where the Paradox mons come from, as the "time machine" would actually be more of a one-way wormhole with a gate. It's designed to send Pokeballs and retrieve only them, which is why something like a human or AI wouldn't be able to come back, cuz you can't catch them in a ball, and there's no "time machine" on the other side. Also this would mean our professor was just wrong about how their own machine worked but that wouldn't surprise me
3) the Phantom Memory entry actually says that the page he was holding was in his own handwriting, and I took this to mean he met himself from an alternate timeline, though I'm not sure why he doesn't remember it
Some things I'm not sure of:
1) assuming Terapagos did not already have its powers prior to the seismic shifts; is the timeline-hopping a quality innate to the crystals, or something that Terapagos "creates" with them? Could Terapagos have slipped into our reality from one where it already had these powers? Is this why there are indications of other creatures filling the Underdepths *prior to the cave's formation* in the second journal entry? Could they have come through the crystals?
2) the region looks like a giant Terapagos. Is this because of Terapagos' influence or the crystals'? Is there a difference? Is it a coincidence?
3) how does this all tie back into Terastalization? Terapagos is clearly invovled, as its face is on every Tera Jewel and its cry is the Terastalization sound, is it like temporarily swapping our Pokemon for one from a different timeline where it's that Tera Type? Is it meant to be like... "refracting" all the different types the way it "refracts" all the different timelines?
Much to consider
The Terapagos also works the ultimate example of SV's overall theme of things not being what they seem on the surface.
Team Star seemed like street thug bullies, the Loyal Three seemed like noble heroes, Sada/Turo seemed like good if somewhat workaholic people, the list goes on.
Players are used to the big important legendary responsible for the whole story to be a Godzilla sized monster that can nuke a continent by sneezing at it, and all the talk about ancient Paldea point towards that direction being the case again Terapagos especially when you realize it is a reference to the World Turtle in a lot of folklore. Then whe you get to Terapagos you find a baby turtle that yes can also nuke the universe if you piss him off but he's really just a naive child unaware of how powerful he is and means no harm.
Terapagos isn’t even a naive unaware baby creature, it actually is a fully grown wild creature from a very distinct species. It is minding its own business, however it sees fit and based on how the species operates. Which I think makes it more realistic and on par with many other Pokémon, except that the Terapagos are very strong yet innocent looking.
I really like this aspect for a legendary, it makes it more grounded yet still mystical enough.
4:41 i think that rather than it being our timeline, the paradox mons are from a different timeline where the Pokemon are either all prehistoric or futuristic. It would explain why there isn’t any fossils of them recorded anywhere
Its already explained in game
@@sckaze777 essentially yeah
Agreed
thats literally how it canonically is
There are 2 points I would like to add:
1. Now that we have the book from the respective professors childhood... How did they use this exact copy as the key for the timemachine?
2. The crystals grow over time, so it is possible that the man's crystals ended up in the pool in Kitakami and started growing there to the state we now find them in. He explicitly brought these strange crystals from outside the land, which would make no sense to comment on if they were naturally found there before he arrived with Ogerpon.
I agree that Point 1 is so confusing . The professor of the player's timeline claimed to have received a white copy, which means they would have had given their books to a player from another universe/timeline, yet they still managed to activate the time machines in the main timeline
'with time travel's inclusion, it clears up some confusion'
now THAT'S a sentence i never thought i'd hear!
If I had a nickel for every time a Normal type Legendary had access to the power of all the types, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird it's happened thrice.
What about Regigigas
@lorekeeper685 how the hell Regigigas gonna make a Psychic regi bro? An imaginary friend? Wait that's actually a really good idea-
@@Blastosie_Offical ye gives
Then pataphysics powers
Also regi can make being from energy
And games like XenoVerse tackled the concept
Arceus is mythical 🤓
Silvally mentioned 👀
"Seismic Shifts" could refer to earthquakes, tectonic plate movements, or a meteorite impact, among other things. I think you were closer than you realized to understanding the Light Timeline's origins: Terapagos has always been there, deep underground (possible connection to Diancie and Carbink? Idk), but the meteorite impact that you already figured out caused the Area Zero Crater is still likely what brought Terapagos to the surface, and I think all of your ideas about the Ruin Pokemon, Gen 6 through 8, etc. are all likely still true, but I think there's a deeper connection to Light and Crystals that goes beyond individual Legendary and Mythical Pokemon. I would direct attention to the one held item considered the most-overpowered in the Shadow Timeline (Ruby & Sapphire through Black 2 and White 2): Type Gems. I hypothesize that some small vestige of Terapagos's Power, which is likely what drew the Ultra Beasts, Cosmog (and its evolutions), Necrozma, and Eternatus to our world, and allowed for the creation of terrible weapons and massive Light-based projections and creations, alike, may have been responsible for Type Gems, Evolution Stones, and, dare I say, the power Celebi had (and the same power the Purification Chamber had) that was used to purify Shadow Pokemon. After all, what's more connected to the earth than a forest, and what's older than dirt, itself, if not time, a power you mentioned Terapagos also has?
This is really good work, and I think there's a lot to think about, here. Even since Gen 1, Sabrina and other Psychic Trainers have made it clear that a determined enough mind can change the world through thought, alone.
16:50 don't forget that Let's Go ARE remakes, and one releasing this year would have the same gap as it and bdsp so it's possible, regardless if it's Johto or Unova
My man forgot the terrarium core had soil from paldea and water from the crystal pool inside
Lmaoo, that's something I remember her explaining, but I just wondered if the big rock in the middle was special (I'm probably looking too far into it 😭)
The Paradox Pokémon aren't imagined. They're taken from different timelines from *alternate universes*.
The Paradox Pokémon dex entries are purposely vague and weird because the existence of Paradox Pokémon is only known by a handful of people at best. The general public doesn't know they exist, and as such, magazines like Occulture come up with outlandish theories as to what these strange Pokémon are.
My headcanon for the paradox pokemon is that they are from different timelines and eras from them. As the pokemon world isnt a stranger to having timeline splits. Plus this also opens up many new ideas for pokemon games so I like it. Maybe the tree represents Terapagos's reach across the timelines which are numerous. I just thought of something. Maybe the Professors used Terapagos's power to go to the timelines they desired. Their paradise. Sada went to a dangerous primal world which limits technological development and has forced pokemon to adapt into being tougher and better survivors while Turo went to a world completely controlled by technology. So they used the power to travel between timelines to find their paradise they talk about.
Its literally confirmed in game so its not a headcanon
@@sckaze777 ok I just thought because only the time travel was confirmed my idea wasn't completely confirmed making it a headcanon.
To be completely honest your theories are what actually got me hyped for the DLC, I probably wouldn't have bothered with it otherwise lol. I was pretty disappointed with how quickly things seemed to wrap up with Terapagos at the end.. I honestly think your ideas were better than what we ended up getting lol (unless we get more official lore with this gen in the future- which i hope to god we do)
A personal head canon of mine is that the terapagos we find was the most powerful of them and was the only one who had access to the tera shift ability and the terastal and stellar forms and being the most powerful of them it was able to survive the cataclysmic event that made them extinct . It makes the terapagos we find feel more legendary to me
The thing I took away from the bootstrap paradox is that we basically ruined Arven’s life. If we didn’t encourage the professor to research more with Briar’s book, maybe they would not have died.
No? The professors with the white books mentioned going home with the book to catch a break
@@sckaze777Yeah, the Professors we gave the books to are actually from a different universe.
It's a bootstrap Paradox, but one caused on by lateral shifts in multiple dimensions.
10:21
"Potentially being the ape pokemon"
So I wasn't wrong for thinking it looked like Donkey Kong, then
Dam time travel! Always making a mess of things!
Honestly with Matpat retiring I'm happy seeing theories from other people!
I like your bootstrap theory for the page, however, I think it was most likely Sada/Toro who gave Heath the notes. Also, given that Terapigose is already a time machine, might it not be possible that the paradox pokemon were brought from their respective worlds by Teropigoses power, like how the crystals were formed, but Sada/Toro just made a machine to harness this ability and force Terapigise to bring in any paradox pokemon they want. this would explain why the legendary treo mon's don't look like heath drawing, they are alternative takes on Ente, Swikoon, and Raico/ the swords of justice, and not a fusion.
Sorry if the comes across as derogatory, I love your theory, this is just how i see it.
Thank you for the fun vid.
Uhh about the paradox thing the crystal pool states the time travel is not nessesceraly on our timeline as such the paradox mons are real
16:25
Seems like an event like that would be great promotion for the Legends Z-A game they announced.
Maybe when they release the first trailers for the game, perhaps holiday season 2024 for release in 2025, they'll start doing a bunch of Kalos promotion stuff in their spin offs and events
2:32 this is very likely more so a reference to terapagos resembling the world turtle, an anceint idea of the earth being carried on the back of a turtle, which itself is on the back of a larger turtle (it's turtles all the way down)
Edit: to clarify, I'm saying that the dex entry doesn't mean that the ancients knew about terapagos, it's saying that terapagos looks like what the ancients thought the planet looked like
I just thought the tree was to show the connection between tera crystals and Herba Mystica - theres a little branch near the base that looks just like the HM item logo.
I just realized Terapagos was based off of the Galapagos Giant Turtle, which was a species eaten to extinction by sailors…
Good vid^^
Cayla's Capsule has the theory of different dimensions that Terapagos is able to travel through.
With today's announcement, you have a looooooot of theories to make xD
9:03 Note that the man has very strange proportions. He almost looks like a Gorilla. Could he be the Gorilla Pokémon that we haven’t seen?
A paradox?
*legends Z-A happends
i guess the kalos part wasn't that wrong
This entire thing reeks of the red chain and Celebi
I don't know if you are gonns read this since now we have to think about the new Legends game. Though I believe this is not a time loop, but a interdimensonal exchange between the playable caracther and Sada/Turo. The reason of this is because of the book the professors give you, which is the same one you and Arven use for helping Mabostiff. The book has the same professor's signature and it's impossible for you to use the book with Arven if the professors gave it away in the past. Even as a loop it doesn't work unless you bring it again in the past in some other way after these events, which is weird. Another reason to think you meet a professor from a different timeline is that the professors talks about their child even without ever meeting Koraidon/Miraidon. When we know that in your timeline child Arven grow up with the legendary, from the books in the little bases in Area Zero.
Also this is not too farfetched since we see dimensional travel since ORAS games and a lot in gen 7. Terapagos basically creates portals like Solgaleo Lunala, though it's a different transport system (like difference between trains and plane) which is a weaker than them because humans can travel temporarily, but they lose memory a similar way to dimensional travelers from USUM. Also this explains the existence of paradox Pokémon as another way of Ultra beasts, but much more similar than our Pokémon, since we have infinite dimensions.
In conclusion you meet a Sada/Turo from a different dimensions that gives you a different their book and in their timeline Arven probably never uses it with the playable caracther.
It was already confirmed
@@sckaze777 where?
The truck in the background killed me 😭😭 interesting video though. I didn’t encounter much of those other hints of Terapagos history.
A plausible answer as to why the past paradox forms of the legendary beasts could exist is that when ho-oh resurrected them they had also revived those untapped genes bringing them closer to their ancestry(kinda like certain mega evolutions)
There might be a golden legend
Honestly I think the professors are the ones who communicate with heath when he gets the phantom memory page. I imagine when studying terapagos after get the book from you
It's more likely since we never get any event encountering Heath in the game.
Can't be a bootstrap paradox when we're missing the important piece: The Scarlet book whereabouts.
This is some amazing stuff man, please keep it up you're probably one of my fav upcoming TH-camrs. Only one day til we found out exactly how you messed up
I’ve been looking forward to another Pokémon theory upload from you since those initial terapgios speculations
how they tie things together could be interesting, but also i bet they'll just forget it all. probably just like, them setting up lots of interesting plotpoints that they Could expand on, but not having enough dev time because of the development cycles
DLC: “confirms the paradox pokemon are, indeed, from the past/future, of alternate timelines resembling those times”
This guy: “we’re gonna ignore that because I still wanna be right. My evidence is that I wanna be right”
THE YELLOW SPARKLE IS SEEN IN THE POKEMON ZA TRAILER ON THE PAPERS
They’re probably leaving loose ends on purpose now that they’re making the LEGENDS subseries
One more little thing about the 10:45 sparkles on the logo is that the green and yellow ones are right next to each other, while the pink one is on the opposite side of the letter O from them, which I think further implies them to be Ogerpon, the man, and Pecharunt. Perhaps we will get the "man" as a movie tie in mythical pokemon some time before gen 10?
My theory on that how Heith encountered other Paradoxes is that
Time machine send paradoxes from past and future to wrong moment in time
Still like to think that all gimmicks we had so far are related to the alchemy.
I dont remember what exactly op of that theory said, but love that theory really much.
Lockstin and bird keeper toby are the biggest supporters tho
Reference to alchemy has been a thing for a while
12:28 - I just see the tree as just a further reference to Annihilation (2018), which was clearly a major inspiration for the S/V's opening as well as The Way Home.
Now there is the mysterious shape thats on a tablet in Area Zero, the journals within the game, locations of the ruinous pokemon, the same mysterious crop-shape in area zero and the tablets shape withing the game names logo. I am calling it prior to feb, 27th, 2024 pokemon day. That the Hourglass and Crop-Shape being part of a final FINAL F-I-N-A-L part of Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, aswell explaining several unawnsered thing and aswell unlocking 5th ruinous pokemon that both professors havent discovered, as we, the player has discovered most things that was discovered before that few have lived to see. But now, we will experience a pokemon behyond this entire game and the next. It may not make sense to few, but there are many connections to this theory I found and sit with.
I love these vids!
Wait doesn't the scene with the professor state directly that the time machine connects to the past or future in alternate timelines?
It's still a bootstrap paradox but a different flavor where rather than a single loop it's multiple timelines looping into each other in a series
Yep
Yeah. . .you were right. B3W3 is not coming out. Meanwhile, Kalos!
Speaking of Lockstin, I actually had this big speculative expectation for the Final Story where Terapagos was actually based on Roko’s basilisk and, at least the one let in to this world through its turtley host and terastalization, was evil, manipulating Briar who would manipulate Geeta, Cyrano, and, most importantly *Carmine*, who views her as a mother figure, to help in that goal of letting Terapagos into the mortal plane.
Yes, I want to do a rewrite fanfic of ScarVio, especially Indigo Disk; no, I probably don’t have the skill to do so
All the talk about time travel makes me think of Ingo in Legends Arceus…
The powers of Terapagos are benyond of our understanding, maybe he can do things that are like dialga and palkia, creating a distortion of the time-space, making a time travel with another alternative timelines and creating paradox temporals, and can change the type, making us believe it's has the powers of Arceus or somekind, even it's from another world.
My Biggest Problem Is Not Having Access To The Time Machine , It’s Like They Hyped Up Everything About : “ Time Travel/Paradox’s/World Turtle Terpagos Etc Etc “ And Only Gave Us Bits & Pieces Of An Explanation Without Finishing What They Started .. Terapagos’s Storyline Was Really Just Kieran’s ! 😑
I Miss The Days Where The Pokémon Themselves We’re The Highlight Of Pokémon Games And Not The Damn Characters …
Idk the characters ate really good though ...
@@Theserperiortrainer497 But It’s Called “ Pokémon “ , The Best Thing About These Games Are The Pokémon Themselves ..
I hope this will all actually become something and not just be a bunch of random writers throwing ideas out there with no actual plan in mind, to let fans theorize; and them having no intention to give real answers. I just don't trust that they will add anything more in this generation or come back to these story threads, or have things connected to previous gens
Maybe Ogerpon's friend is from wherever AZ is from. He looks massive to me
Weird how many legendaries have time based powers like celebi dialga and now this!
"As the ancients saw it".
"it" refers to the world, not terapagos 2:33
RR jumpscare at 12AM
The paradox Pokémon are paradox Pokémon, literally
They did not exist in the past, they came from the present, you present game
Making them past and future Pokémon they exist in a paradox state
We probably give heath the paper in pokemon legends Z-A
I think Turtwig is a beast starter pokemon.
Great video about Terapagos, you explained things very well. Hey what are your thoughts on the idea that the paradox Pokemon might come from alternate timelines? I can't wait to see what gets announced on Pokemon day I honestly think it's going to be something nobody is expecting (not Gen 10). Hey what are some Pokemon video ideas are you thinking about doing next?
It was confirmed in game that they are from alternate timelines
If it's true that they are from alternate timelines, then that makes sense with Terapagos space-time shift like the professors said, but it would also make me wrong 😅 lmaoo. Either way I don't mind. I have another sc/vi video planned soon so hopefully I can get that out 🙏
@@RoizeRasen Nice I'll be sure to check it out. Hey I thought of two cool ideas for a new mythical Pokemon you want to hear them?
So I was right most people didn't expect Kalos but I'm really happy and excited that it is.
Sparkle colors: red/pink: koraidon/pecharunt, yellow: miraidon, Green: ogerpon, blue: terapagos
I wonder if Heath will appear in Legends Z-A
I thought the sparkles in the title card are for Ogerpon, Terrapagos, entei and raikou
They are for ogerpon terapagos pecharunt and another unrevealed pokemon
@@sckaze777 that’s definitely one of the many possibilities. But I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on confirmation of that
NOW WE GOING BACK TO KALOS🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm looking at the thumbnail and realizing the Terastalize symbol was the fakken turtle the whole time
I think based on a few comments from when we meet the real Sada/Turo it's more then just time travel its both and Multiverse
Anyone else notice the Sly Cooper reference?
4:34 they are the descendent of them.....
Now conect them with eternatus and necrozma with the info we have
If the next Pokémon Presents happens and there’s no new Gen 9 content and they move straight to something new or straight up Gen 10, that’s going to be both infuriating and hilarious.
Well……lol
@@scro910 We are living in the best timeline.
So Terapagos, Necrozma, Eternatus all these Pokemon inherited power from Infinity Gauntlet or something.
next what; Arceus vs what??!
I mean the paradox pokemon are either from different times or alternate timelines 🤷♂️ how are they fake?
Yep they are from alternate timelines
@sckaze777 even though there's a contradiction between that & the AI professors saying the paradox pokemon are from different times, that doesn't prove paradox pokemon are fake 🤔
@@maganhassan2627 i didn't say they were fake. If they exist in other timelines then its suffice to say they are indeed real
@@sckaze777 oh sorry my original comment was criticising the youtuber saying the paradox pokemon are fake 🤔😅
I still appreciate these videos, and hopefully they aren't disproven in two days. Ahahaha....
I have noticed that gen 3 got emerald as its last game, gen 5 got bw2 as its last game, and gen 7 got ultra sun and moon as its last game, so what if gen 9 gets Scarlet/Violet 2/Ultra Scarlet/Violet?
My sideways time travel became wrong haha
I dont get the fakeness cope for my alan wake bisexial turtle
Ignoring the Comments,I actually intrigued on watching this Anime
I don't think it's really time travell.
Terapagos likely has the ability to temporarily link two realities within it's mist, according to one's desire.
If you can imagine something, and there are infinite amounts of possibilities out there, then there's bound to be a naturally occurring Pokémon to fit your imagination.
It’s Not Time Travel ..
He can do it, but alan waking is more fun
It's a combination of both time travel and alternate timelines
@@sckaze777 sideways time
@@sckaze777 But Neither Of Those Were Proven Just Spoken Of .. The Game Is The Definition Of Talking But Not Providing Any Proof Or Explanation . You Don’t Even Use The Time Machine Whatsoever(Even If There Is One) So Time Travel/Alternate Timelines Aren’t A Thing Long As Some As Concerned ..
Good video 👍
10:22 i see you heard ttar's man/gorilla theory
good vid
Yeah yeah, i know i'm amazing
The big man reminds me of Az
I thought Dialga or Celebi could have had some connection
10:00 I just thought if something
This game was developed during covid. What if this is just a covid joke?
Hey, i enjoy lockstin and his content. But you could totally come for his neck! Be the competition bro❤
Paradox Pokémon DO exist though… it was explained by the professors in the crystal pool scene. They’re Pokémon that exist in their own respective timelines, from parallel universes in the far past and far future
This entire video is you desperately trying to make a debunked theory still work while ignoring all evidence of the game screaming at you “no, you’re wrong”
fan lore > gamefreak bums
Pokemon has ruined itself what has it become