I have seen plenty of tv shows that had more subtly and understanding of how this works than this game. For how much they want to appeal to the lgbt audience it still feels like they aren’t actually putting in that much effort.
@@Iam-still-noone Yeah, these are people that want to be offended, they are adopting a made up identity because they can make others walk on eggshells. If the culture defaulted to they for everyone they would act out because they ceased being special
"I'm non-binary. And I going to refer myse-" "And I don't give a single fuck. So shut up for no one asked." Should be an actual possible response in-game.
I don't care. The world is literally ending and countless people are dying. We are all probably are going to die in the next few weeks so shut it and fight.
@@ethanduncan1646 You dont have to worry about that since you wont even live the see the end of everything. You're thousands or probably millions of years too early
"I don't feel like a man or a woman" Yeah cool. What does feeling like a man or feeling like a woman feel like? Didn't realize there was a grand, overarching sensation a given sex was supposed to share via hivemind.
See, it's bîgoted to distinguish people by their biology, but it's super progressive and liberating to define people by a bunch of regressive stereotypes. They believe that a woman is anyone who "acts like a woman" and their flag is literally "pink for girls, blue for boys" ffs.
Man, you guys have a high tolerance to BS. I'm already at the point where I just hate them... With a couple of violent thoughts floating around here and there.
This character has to be self insert. The most stereotypical, emotionally immature, terminally online Non-binary person that demands you accept their reality with no question and acts aggressively towards other for questioning their choices, instead of answering them to help the other person understand, and perceives them as attacks directed to them as a person. Fun fact btw: this same character interacts with a Necromancer who she/they/it constantly calls a “Corpse mage”; and when he tells her that’s incorrect, she responds with “but that’s what you are.” Essentially making her a colossal hypocrite.
@@wj00312 Yea but if I am to deem the character as that, it needs to be believably presented in-universe. It's not just Tash's character that suffered here. Isabela got absolutely overwritten in terms of character, in another scene. L they even made her say "panties", when panties don't exist in Thedas, as a word to describe undergarments OR as an item under a different name. The writing is all over the place.
There's a way to do that in fact alot of great media came out of japan made by people who survived the trauma of ww2. Real things to expound on. This is not that
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 The difference is that having nukes dropped on you is real generational trauma. A wokies rich daddy not wanting to call them by the made-up gender they chose in college isn't.
@@02091992ablesometimes the kid can be right, other times the kid is SO lost and delusional that they need their mother to appeal to their delusions aswell
It would have been nice if we were told what the term the mother used meant. "In this-and-that culture it is called X" means nothing to me. What am I supposed to empathise with here? I don't know what one half of the conversation means. And the other half of the conversation is mostly indignant, and the rest is yelling. Screaming "Then say it better!" is so incredibly childish. You're trying to have a person change the way they behave around you. If your mother says she's not saying what you're taking away from it, maybe ask for a better explanation. Also don't be indignant when your mother is asking for vegetables as if it is some huge imposition when you're about to ask her to change the way she acts around you for the rest of your life.
Taash mom will get murder for her daughter selfish action the Qunari are straight up religious fanatic they will treat their own kind like trash if they don't follow their people belief. The fact they are making Taash mom the bad guy here just prove how incompetent the writers are. Guess what this is a dark fantasy that tackle dark theme . Taash is a horrible person she doesn't give a damn about her own family, all she care about is her self
10:52 This is such a good point. She literally gives the name for the term in their language and the character is still ranting. It means they don't even understand world building. They just wanted to force in that word so badly that they missed the chance to even be subtle about it
Karlach : has breakdown because she was sold to hell for 10 years, she also is going to die if she cant fix her heart soon. Traash: rages at her mother for not understanding the nonbinary crap
Karlach's breakdown is a masterpiece at emotional outburst writing. The burning rage barely hiding the absolute sorrow and fear she has... It was a very powerful scene.
Karlach: is a burly simple girl, swearing like a sailor, but still an affable and likeable woman in heart Taash: sour faces, rudeness, internalized misogyny
4:00 that is solas. He was supposed to be the villain of the game when it was still named dragon age dreadwolf, there was a huge point that him breaking down the veil would kill almost everyone in the entire world. Then all the rewrites that lead to the game being named veilguard and now he's a side character i think. So this defeats a choice made at the end of the inquisition team where you can choose to prepare your army to kill solas or help redeem him so he won't destroy the world. Cause now he's not the villain destroying the world
11:23 so…. Her mom is trying to understand and even saying that there’s already a word in their culture for what she’s describing. And she just gets angrier and angrier as her mom keeps trying to reach common ground. Yeah, sounds about right for someone who just wants to find a reason to be different and is actually nothing special and can’t accept she’s just a regular uninteresting person just like the rest of us 😂
They are trying so hard to make people accept this ideaology but the writing quality is so bad its doing the opposite lmao. The character is not remotely intriguing and a blatantly obvious self insert.
As someone who played dragon age from series onset and I actually like Quanri this non binary crap is wrong.....and in game universe as her mom said their are words for that buttttt noooo.... Bioware did representation better in age of Jade empire all the way up to Inquisition
I swear most people in the entertainment industry right now have unresolved mommy/daddy issues, and they stuff them in every single thing they produce instead of sitting down to have this talk with them as an adult. This scene is pure teenage angst Waaaah !! Mommy / Daddy Doesn't Understand Meeeee !
it is absolute accurate depiction of those nonbinary things, they WANT to argue about it and the NEET to showe it in everyones faces, at least ones who cant shut up about that, I guess someone can be jsut silent about it and tell you once what they prefer but obviously those dont run around and complain to everyone
Agreed. I'd also be happy to have a random Sandal (from DA1) popping out of a basket shouting "ENCHANTMENT!" to improve the mood/dialog. Give me my special ed, maybe murderous, covered in blood, dwarf any day.
"I don't feel like a man or a woman." I don't feel like my heart, kidneys or liver are currently working, that doesn't mean they aren't doing so right this minute! Ever heard of a little thing called facts?
@@Graumel True, though these people are clearly broken enough already on their own anyway. John Stewart Mill said that people should be free so long as their freedom didn't impinge on the freedom of others. I wouldn't mind doing that, even with people this level of delusional, accept that they break everything they touch, are literally dangerous to children, and; as this scene in fact shows, Constantly impose their own delusions on others and expect people to be punished for not aknoleging them. There is literally no agreeing to disagree with these people, so if we can't live and let live, then it's live, and let their toxic ideology die!
9:54 so the mother instead of getting angry or upset, gives Tash an opportunity to explain. People listen better when you come from a place they already understand and the mother is willingly opening that door to try understanding. But Tash here goes on a tirade because she's _different,_ its NOTHING like that how could you hate me so much why am i never good enough! Straight up abusive, manipulative behavior from someone I assume we're supposed to like being around. Someone we're supposed to trust has our back in a fight.
That's exactly what I thought too! Like the mom or whoever is just asking questions and trying to understand without any hints of malice whatsoever, and this character just goes off on her, like why...? Really doesn't paint this character in a good light at all.
@@Cardinal_claw The rapidly shifting 'emotional states' are a dead giveaway for manipulators. Normal people's emotions transition slowly, with lingering elements of the previous ones lingering, especially from a high energy state (angry, joyous, etc) to a low energy one (calm, depressed, etc.). When someone hard shifts from high to low in an instant, it almost always means they were exaggerating, if not outright faking, their anger, joy, etc.
"But Tash here goes on a tirade because she's different, its NOTHING like that how could you hate me so much why am i never good enough!" This reminds me of when I was talking to a person very similar to this. They were saying how they were demisexual. I mentioned that that was normal. They got so upset at the notion that they might be "normal" and continuously argued with me as if they thought every single other person wets themselves the second they see someone attractive. The labels aren't about actually being said label. They're about being "special" and "different" from all the "normies." Same with the "non-binary" people. There is no such thing. There is no basis for it. There's plenty of basis for intersexed or transsexual (mismatch of brain VS body), but non-binary is basically claiming you have some "null" hormone that doesn't exist.
@ItzaMystri I'm guessing because that's what the writer for Taash did IRL. Or wishes they did. Either way it's dumb as fuck and doesn't make Taash any more likable than any other conversation she has from what I've seen.
It also makes me wonder everytime what they mean with "feel". I'm a dude, I don't *feel* like a dude, I just am. Waking up in the morning feeling like a bro; eating cereal feeling like Chad; taking a dump feeling like Mike Tyson; using soft toilet paper feeling like a baby princess? Is that what they mean?
Yes, there is something missing in this dialogue: screenwriter's uncorrupted brain. I wish there would be an option: "I don't fucking care" [stand up and go away like you couldn't care less]
I’ve been writing for a decade and a half. What I learned over the years is that when you shove an instance that doesn’t belong in a setting because it’s something you’re passionate about, it only makes the scene come off as something you personally want inside of it rather than what truly should be done. When that happens, there’s a feeling of disconnect from the story in general for the sake of telling another. It can end up coming across as self absorbed even if the person who implemented it wasn’t trying to be. This entire scene feels like it was the writer’s experience rather than the character’s experience. When you see it, it comes off as them wanting to watch an expertly animated scene of themselves or their OC coming out or something. Even the way they talk doesn’t fit the high fantasy setting and seems like a really temperamental Starbucks barista. When you write for an existing IP professionally, you have to write within its world, not for your own personal benefit and satisfaction. You have to think of everyone rather than yourself and seeing people not getting that fact frustrates me so much and makes me wish I could write for these games instead.
@@MetaGiga I’ve been saying this from the beginning. Taash is literally just a self-insert by someone on the writing team. It’s absurd that modern day politics ended up in a Dragon Age game without any consideration for the immersion.
What's sad is that many of these writers probably got their start writing fan fiction which in many cases is a mix of existing IPs and the modern world/personal beliefs. Not to say good fanfic doesn't exist. I think in many cases it's an excuse to manipulate the world to appeal to themselves or particular groups. Writers who continue existing IPs need to turn off their desire to twist it up.
Yup. You see this a lot with amateur writers OR with extremely hasty productions. Many animes fall into the latter and need Powerpoint explanation scenes to pat out the runtime, so you get a lot of these weird extended scenes of the characters explaining some concept or things in autistic detail. Especially if it relates to Japanese culture. Like It's going to be a 50/50 if any given anime is going to give a lecture about noodles. And guess what? It never works. It always comes across as disjointed and distracted. Only reason you might excuse it is that you are interested about the thing they are yapping about. So the fact that people are reacting to all this gender stuff as they are, should be a big sign how little most people care about the gender stuff. They don't hate it. They simply don't care. They don't want to care. They don't want to be forced to care.
So let me see here. The conversation essentially goes: Taash: I'm non-binary. Mom: What does that mean? Taash: It means I don't feel like male or female. Mom: Oh, you mean like that we already have for that? Taash: Oh my god mom STOP HARASSING ME ABOUT IT! The character comes across like an angsty teenager who just found out about this new term that some other kids are using, and wants to go by that, instead of the term that already exists for something. Kind of like the people who come up with the millions of different "genders" that they want to go by. "I go by flerp/flerpin/flerporn! It's the term for someone who thinks of themselves as male for 2 hours every third monday, female for 6 hours every other day that starts with T, non-binary for a random 80 hours, and then wangdoodle gender for the rest! Respect my unique pronouns, you bigots!"
it is essentially advertisement for left wing teenagers, who go through puberty and need somebody to direct their thoughts. sadly they belive in this left wing propaganda.
To be fair, the mom provides a term that seems to more align with "gay". It seems like the Qunari have a concept for gay, but not for non binary, evidenced by the mom being like "well, if you aren't a man or woman, then what are you?" The concept of being neither seems completely foreign to her, while the concept of feeling like the opposite gender is something she seems to have a word for. I think the writers wanted you to believe that Taash and her mom already have a long held sore spot of the mom wanting Taash to be more Qunari, so when the mom seemingly tries to fit what Taash is saying into a Qunari mold, that sets off Taash due to years of resentment. It might simply be the mom doing her best to understand a new concept, but Taash takes it in the worst way possible. Does all that mean that I feel this scene is well written? Nope! I don't like it when characters jump to shouting and crying, even if there seems to be justification. Writers jump to shouting and crying too often, reaching for that emotion. Most people know the value of trying to maintain politeness for as long as possible, because it helps them get what they want.
They might as well have sat down and immediately started the conversation by saying "I'm here. I'm queer. Get used to it." Was this game written by people or a Twitter thread?
Nonbinary is not a word I think you would hear in the medieval age. More than likely they probably would think you're a witch and burn you at the stake. For a video game it destroys the immersion. That would as stupid as using a time machine to go back to the 18th century and lecture them on computers and how they work.
@@02091992able Computers actually existed as far back as 1200 C.E. if you consider the abacus is an ancient calculator. Non-binary is literally not a thing in 2024 and didn't even exist as a term 15 years ago. "Neuro-divergent" is another one of their made-up terms they want you to take seriously and it's just a pseudo-medical-sounding way to call themselves weird.
@sarafontanini7051 they forgot to make it funny. I also don't feel comfortable in laughing when it feels like the writers want me to be extra sensitive about current topics. So now it's fine to smell people in a sexual way? Pick a lane.
It feels like the writer wrote a lot of fanfic on Tumblr back in the day and not the good kind, they wrote the cringe and questionable kind that make you wonder if they're ok in the head.
0:24 when someone asks you for the definition of a word, you can’t just say the word again. If I ask what a cat is, and someone just says a cat is a cat, I don’t know if you know what it is.
They can't define it because then it would be concrete and they would have to set some sort of rules for what it's supposed to be. As long as it's some vague notion, they can just say whatever they want, and you can't argue with their undefined terms. It just doesn't exist.
This word shouldn't even exist in this world. Binary was named after binary computer code. Computers don't exist in Dragon Age therefore neither binary or non binary should exist here. The devs were too lazy to come up with another name for it
@@redram6080 In the video it shows they actually do have a word for it. The mum character says "aqun-athlok" but the writers want it to be a modern-day talking point so that you, the player, know exactly what they mean. Otherwise the woman would have just said "So... I'm aqun-athlok" which would have made more sense in the story
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason the PC can’t be evil, rude or dismissive to companions and npcs is because, every character in DAV is a self insert of someone at BioWare.
well in non of the dragon age games you aren't playing an evil character, you're not going around murdering people for shits ang giggles. You CAN however be mean, if you want. You just can't be EVIL, because that's not what Dragon Age is about.
If it was Baldur’s Gate, you’d have metrics tracking 95% of players killing that companion. 😂 If you could be mean in this game, BioWare would likely be mortified seeing people treating all their companions like crap and trying to get them killed.
@@sarafontanini7051 did you even play Origins? you can straight up murder people and sell your own family to slavers, sic werewolves on elves, slay a child instead of the demon possesing them while also refusing to help him and knocking out his mother, you can resort to blood magic, which you unlock from the very demon who posses the child, you can literally give a child to a demon and then send her father down to be possed and then let them leave with zero issue, you can off wynne who is literally just protecting children from demons, and then get a dialogue option to state you think all mages should be culled. You can screw over alistair so hard he get executed, you can poison a religious artifact that literally have miracle healing properties, and then slay Leliana who is definitely not evil. there are many many more choices like these, but to suggest you are only mean and not actually evil is straight up lying. it was literally was Dragon age was about, it was a DARK RPG. They severely watered down the dark aspect with inquisition and DA2. But you had some very questionable choices in DA2 aswell. Such as using a banned by law school of magic blood magic, and ofcourse being able to screw over companions etc. Not same level of evil as in Origins true. But to say being evil is not a dragon age thing is straight up lying. Since it was literally possible in the ORIGIN game. as a matter of fact, let me give some more examples. child in lothering who cant find his mother? tell him to get lost (that might be mean, but it definitely borders on evil) help an extortionate merchant who is taking advantage of refugees tell people that they are doomed and only if they give all their valuable to you might they be spared killing off surrendered soldiers who only fight you cus you have a bounty on your head and they literally was told you betrayed the king killing the wounded soldier straight up when first entering to korcari wilds, instead of just bandaging or helping him get back. Its literally straight up murder and Alistairs even ask you if the word "insane" means anything to you. anvil of the void, helping Brancka take control of it dooming several souls to eternal servitude of golem enslavement. help the templars with the right of annullment. i could go on but i dont think its necessary. Some of these on their own might be just mean, but considering what else you can also do and you definitely are evil not just mean.
I'm gonna make some points from the qunari history. 1. Taash is raised by the qun, she shouldn't have parents at all 2. The qunari believe that biologically genders are better suited for specific jobs and Until very recently women were never raised to fight and hunt 3. The qunari have a word for someone who was born one gender but identify as the other "aqun-athlok" and they're just treated as the gender they present, no surgery or magic. I know this conflicts with point number 2 but whatever 4. Being non binary would be a massive enigma in the qun, as they would believe you are no longer a person, you would become Bas 5. If you're lucky they would just kill you to free your soul. The other outcome involves the Qamek to completely rework your mind and turn you into a near mindless worker for basic tasks Do yourself a favor and stick with the original dragon age trilogy, at least when inquisition had woke bullshit it was in a single optional conversation about a side npc and not the main premise of your party members
It also doesn't describe anything. "I am an American". "Well, what does that make you?". "Someone that is not German or French". "Welp, thanks for nothing".
If they - according to their own words - are neither man or woman, how would they even know how it feels to be that, and consequently know that they are not that? How do they know they feel different? Can they even explain the difference? Can they explain who they are without describing what they are not? Or is it simply that they dislike the pressure of society on a person and try to trick the system by pretending neither the expectations for men or women apply to them and they are free of expectations from society? It won't work that way. Societies will always create expectations, and perceptions, and no individual can hide from that nor change them singlehandedly.
LOL YES . "Why won't you just acce--?!?" ~switches to chugging from the flower vase~ "See!? This is why I'm gonna put you in a home & you'll never see--!!!" ~begins to siphon out the water hose from under the table~
Input the running gag from the movie Airplane where everytime this one guy started talking to someone they would attempt self deletion because he was that boring. 😂
Even before the propaganda, the characters are insufferable airheads who can not grasp that bald elf just unleashed 2 Cthulus. They treat it like happy fun times. No. Immersion dead.
If someone plays the game and thinks it's fine until the "LGBT propaganda", I can conclude that they're an idiot without taking much of a risk. The writing is absolutely atrocious from start to finish.
It is a fantasy... a fantasy about how complaining about their made up social issues gets them respect and attention. A fantasy about how their cringe flirting will get all the girls to love them.
I mean, I have to defend the writers on this one... imagine you try to sell to people that if you smash potatos they turn into chicken fried rice instead of..you know...mashed potatos.... you can either a) just drop the idea and not elaborate... or you can go for option b) try to explain and get into details...and everyone sane will understand that you are full of it
Because even when you are person that takes it seriously and tries to portray it seriously, it's still going to be a fucking joke. It's exactly why you don't start off your job interview with "Knock knock...."
@@sarafontanini7051 You have to be trans in game to unlock all the dialog options and get all trophies/achievements. It’s forced on people who are trophy/achievement hunters. Even though I don’t care about trophies/achievements, that’s crazy to me.
@LegendaryIntrovert Can you tell me which trophy or trophies force you to be a decepticon so I can show my sister more reasons not to but this game? Thanks in advance.
@@sarafontanini7051 Imagine your first playthrough, and you think Taash is cool and want to romance it... Only get this stuff... Yeah not worth it. Also in Inquisition you have Dorian's side-quest which is about coming put clear to his parents about who he is as a gay man, and the hell he went through... That scene from his side quest was honestly more organic, and it felt more real than whatever slob Taash side quest is... And this from a game 10 YEARS AGO!
who the heck still feels hopeful about anything Bioware is cooking in 2024? Anthem sucks ME Andromeda sucks DA I was just ok Bioware is a literal husk now. Everything that any Bioware fans liked from their older rpgs are gone. Replaced by some try hards political hacktivists.
Taash is one of those characters that seems to make everyone's IQ drop when they enter the room. One of the worst self inserts I've seen in some time. DA has never needed a "coming out" scene. Sexualities and genders were present, but not as a primary defining trait.
Sucks because she is a pretty cool character looks wise. But the writing gave her too much cringe. Especially for a Qunari character! With an already established lore for trans identity?! And they just ignored all of it
@@aeden8008 THIS. This is what Ive been saying! Leliana and Zev never told you they swing both ways! Dorian and Sera had their own way to tell you they prefer the same gender but only aftwr you bother to get to know them! The inclusion had always been in there sikce DA Origins
@papapalps2415 seriously. And it BLOWS me away how many people that I would think would be mostly normal, somehow AGREE with that side and those opinions. If I saw a group of people I agree with doing CRAZY things, I'd be like, Hmmm 🤔, I used to agree with these people, but they've gone off the deep end. But they just keep doubling down and agreeing with it, maybe because they don't want to be wrong? Or they're afraid of the blowback? Probably a combination of both, and maybe something I'm not considering.
@addidaswguy The deep-lore answer to most of this is that the (classic) liberal ideology has some fundamental flaws in its worldview, which can be mostly summed up as "blind acceptance and tolerance for vastly varying and different ideologies, groups of people, and so on doesn't actually work due to to the strong possibility of being co-opted and infiltrated, which is exactly what has happened and has been going on for literal decades". Progs have had vast cultural influence for a long time now, and they have had overall dominance culturally and, to a lesser extent, politically, for nearly a decade or more. This and other slop is a natural result of corpos realizing that/being infiltrated themselves. The answer, in a vacuum, would technically be that the classic liberal worldview needs to be reinforced with an underpinning, stronger moral-ideological foundation. Of course, who gets to decide that is the point of all this culture war shlock, so, eh.
Unless wood chippers and chucking anyone into them becomes a thing. I mean, people are excited for the apocalypse and defy time for modern medicine, so it's not too far off
Glad the people of DA:V have their priorities straight, no pun intended, when their world is literally ending. The dialogue is just absolutely terrible. And no, the Qunari (her race) are not usually such whiny, annoying creatures. Iron Bull, a Qunari from Inquisition, was an absolute badass, and he was bisexual. They didn't make it his entire character, and if you didn't pursue it, you could almost miss it. Because he was written like a person, not an object made to tick boxes.
Also iron bull has the funniest sex scene(or rather, the part where everybody walks in), which you'll eventually get to see due to youtube algorithm. In "their" pursuit of "diversity" they've made almost everyone gay/whatever and it would be offensive to have fun with their scenes.
The Qunari isn't a race, it's a culture. The Qun allows any race to become Qunari, it's just these people are the ones BioWare chose to represent it. That said, these characters do not follow the Qun.
Dorian is an excellent character, unfortunately suffers personal quest that just was about his sexual reference. Gosh... Leliana is a bisexual but never yapped about it.
@@EcchiRevenge Iron Bulls romance is even funnier as a dwarf. Every scene where they dont show your legs its like you either went and got something to stand on, or Bull is holding you off the ground.
I don't know, I never really liked Iron Bull. He never felt like a true qunari to me. He acted like any other human which I hated. Sten from Origins was waaaay better
5:38 i think its because its the most generic, borderline cliche, word-for-word coming out dialogue they could have come up with. On top of being lazy and forced course.
It's actually not that far off for her. Isabella is one of those characters that basically brings sex up in virtually any conversation in one way or another, and doesn't hold anything religious as sacred. That being said, the main religion of Dragon Age has a male god with a female wife, named Andraste, so if Isabella were to make an exclamation like this, it would've been "Andraste's panties". Instead these writers have her making a joke about their male god being a drag queen.
It actually was a common way of swearing. I mean, I don't think underwear ever came up, but they would swear on God's eyes, his bones, his beard, his nails, his teeth, or even his balls. They probably would have swore on his jockstrap if they thought he wore one.
@@ToxicVex267 Reminds me of a clip I saw a while back: Some crazy lady was going on about some similar modern first world BS, I really can't remember what it was, not Important. Her cat then started slapping the hell out of her. It was hilarious.
I think they don't understand that being confused about something so ingrained, and fundamental to your being, is extremely unrelatable to the vast vast majoity of people
Oh, _they know._ It's why they leverage that to crybully and abuse others. It either confuses people into kowtowing to them, or reinforces their persecution complex.
Most of the world doesn't even recognize the concept to begin with, in addition to the whole "gender is a social construct" thing this identity is based on. It's completely made up and is effectively a meme that only came up after 2016.
I still believe a competent writer couldve gotten the point across in a much more interesting way, without zoomer vocabulary and cringe dinner scenes. Dorian's confrontation with his father was tons better.
It starts awful at "maker's panties" and only gets worse. That expression alone reminds me of those "Wiccans" you'd meet at a university campus forcing themselves to say "oh my Goddess" at every opportunity.
"I have thought about it for years while being indirectly inspired and groomed in a Discord server and a subreddit. They told me I should send them pictures of myself so they can rate how well I pass. They keep asking about them. They must really care about it me, or why would they ask so much otherwise?"
Even for the people that it specifically caters to, why would they allegedly want to deal with that bullshit in reality, just to sit down to relax and deal with it again in a game?
because it makes for a neat story beat? not all fiction is about escaping everything, and good storytelling means dealing with bad shit. its why noone complains when a game might involve characters dying.
@sarafontanini7051 Can you make it a little bit more generic? You still came off only marginally dishonest, I'm sure you can do better. Yes fantasy games are about escapism but more importantly they're about fantasy and 2024 Californian topics and lingo have no place in fantasy, case in point you couldn't list another example of a fantasy videogame that talks about current topics like 9/11. You can draw parallels to war and crisis we experienced but that requires good writing and this game has none of that. Lastly characters dying have to do with sadness, it's a cathartic experience to lose a character in a game and it's usually in service of the story (fuels revenge or enhances a sacrifice) but this non binary topic does nothing. You can keep on commenting on every comment here or you can go to therapy, your choice.
@@sarafontanini7051 It's about being skilled enough to actually write that into the storyline and still have it makes sense to the fantasy setting. This is not a "neat story beat" it's just the beating of a political drum so loudly that all sense of fantasy is lost. Honestly I have no idea why I'm even responding to you.... you seem like an average idiot.
Trans and non-binary people are more likely to be autistic than the general population. I could definitely see this happening in real life, since autism makes people awkward.
to be fair about that last clip it sound slike its MEANT to be akward, someone talking to their crush and being unsure what to say or day and end up sayign stupid shit that makes them look weird. it's a fucking trope, my guys.
the quality of these mainstream entertainment products is so sad, I am so happy I lived my childhood playing/watching/consuming actually good quality products that are a pleasant to the eyes and ears; and now in my adulthood I just keep revisiting these good old games and overall products
RPG writing in 1996 Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain :"I awoke to the pain of a new existence. In a dark womb of darkness and decay." RPG writing in 2024 Dragon Age Veilguard: "Here's your vegetables...So, I'm non binary".
I just finished the game. Taash, this character, is very confrontational with all ur companions right off the bat and you aren’t given a chance to call them out on it. It was pretty frustrating.
@@simply_tony172 It is possible to not upgrade her, because up grading her requires you to touch her equipment and stats, HR REEEEEEEEEEEEEE. And do not do her quest, because you are interfering in her personal safe space HR REEEEEEEEEEE ... the ending gets her good! SPALT!
@@Pickle_Maniac so if i understand correclty i have to get her into the camp/team but i can just ignore her and play the game without lectures... goooood maybe ill buy the game when its like 80% off
These lines are written by people who never interact face to face, or have conversations outside of online typing. Why don't they have a response of "That's nice dear, we have a world ending threat to eliminate, just a LITTLE more important than your "feelings", so let's focus on what REALLY matters shall we?"
RPG characters are out here fighting 1/4 lizard, 1/4 sloth, 1/4 demon, 1/4 vampire hybrids, yet we are supposed to be thinking about their gender pronouns...
A Dragon age fan. This game is not based on MEDIEVAL anything. It happens in Tevinter that is far far far more avanced that the rest of thedas. This is more steampunk based. This game is horrible but They picture well from what country is everyone to picture how they talk. Also even Ferelden the most medieval type of country of the first game has a lot of contemporary language because It is a high level fantasy that has nothing to do with our world at all.
Your own ability (or lack there or) to read and write shows you have no idea what you are talking about. The dialogue is terrible. It doesn't get the theme and setting. You can tell these writers have never talked to a person face to face, ever, about anything more than bs alphabet Mafia talking points. These NPCs act more like NPCs than NPCs from games 10 years old.
@@RikkeDK1996 Yes near the Arl from a farm but that was two decades ago. Also several people even in origins have contemporary ways of speaking mostly easter eggs but still. In inquisition Sera has a really modern language same Bianca and several others. It is not in our world so they can talk whatever. However this game dialogue is terrible
"You smell good. REALLY good. *growls*" The writer's not even REMOTELY disguised werewolf fetish. Also, the writers had the perfect opportunity to make 'non-binary' people seem more human and less like literal caricatures. They could have had Taash deal with her mother 'misgendering' her, and then have Rook ask her, "How come you didn't say anything?" And Taash could answer, "She wouldn't understand, but I know who I am. I don't need her or anyone else to understand." It would show Taash having respect for herself, for Rook, and for her mother. But the writer needed to create a stand-in for their conservative parent and make their self-insert yell at it, so...
You assume people who make up non-existent identities to feel like special snowflakes aren't raging narcissists with Main Character Syndrome and zero personality. There is literally not a tolerant, respect-worthy "non-binary" person on the planet.
13:46 you understand what its like to be isolated and find solace in something outside yourself. I was also bullied growing up, but I also went through 2 foster homes and was diagnosed with Autism. Video games are to me what your cats are to you. So seeing the medium fall to shit like this game is actually really heartbreaking.
I had ADHD growing up so got drugged up on Adderall and ended up having a hard time expressing my feelings in general. Made me very quiet too so the other kids thought I was weird. Only way I ever felt like I could really express myself was by playing RPG games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. They helped me fight depression and loneliness.
I am female on the spectrum and roleplaying games got me better socialized, as well as venting feelings of not belonging in girly box and having boyish interests and being confused bi and so on. I am now comfortable being a woman in my late twenties, I grew to realize I don’t owe anyone anything by the virtue of being a certain sex, as well as I don’t need to be faking I am not a tomboy nerd but a boy nerd or some obscure gender nerd (with D cup and luscious hair I wouldn’t pass even though my face is pretty meh), because it’s exhausting and disruptive. I just act the way I want to and don’t tell other people what to make of myself. This game is teaching the wrong lessons, sadly, a person like this with problems like this is gonna isolate themselves from society and family and miss out on many opportunities in life, because people don’t like people who make it difficult and demand acceptance while being in accepting of others’ perspectives
17:18 ‘Maybe it’s a normal way for her species to speak’ It is not. The Qunari have a well deserved reputation for being as blunt as they are serious and before Inquisition, there was hardly a moment where they’re less serious than a heart attack. Even Iron Bull, jovial as he was for his species, was resolute and steadfast for the most part (If I remember correctly. Never finished Inquisition so could be entirely wrong, it just felt like a single player MOBA with hideously wonky sense of scaling where a Pride Demon and High Dragon were weaker than an Ogre because you encountered the latter after the first two. Cheapens the monsters that are ACTUALLY POWERFUL in the lore, but getting off topic). There’s a potential Qunari companion in Origins named (well, ranked. Those who follow the Qun have ranks, not names) Sten, back when they were just grey giants without horns. He flat out refused to leave his cage unless personally released by the Reverend Mother even if you pick the lock, is as blunt as ball bearing, openly tells you the Qunari are going to conquer Ferelden is confused and frustrated if you character is female (the Qun dictates that men and women have set roles, soldier falls on the men’s side), has no issues with the Qun’s horrible treatment of mages and outright attacks you if your actions annoy him too many times, though he can be brought back to your side. But because he likes cats and baked goods, the fanbase considers him the BIGGEST softie among his kind. And again, dead serious at all times.
@@Lord_Numpty You forgot his deadpan humor. Sten the Qunari man is a great character. Perfectly fine with his role in the Qun and really curious about 'why' Ferelden does things the way it does. Imagine experiencing a culture shock but there is also an apocalypse going on and you lost your soul (symbolic of course) and you have a guy who has to make it work somehow
@@k.g.b.8514 If I was wrong, it was due to an honest mistake as a result of misremembering, not intentional deception. That he gave himself up willingly and refused any form of sustenance whilst in that cage may have influenced this memory. Need to play Origins again to confirm.
I’m getting a refund. What a disappointment. What’s really worrying is that they might do the same thing with the KOTOR remake. I’d be furious if that happened, as KOTOR 1 and 2 are some of the best RPGs ever made.
I recommend Dragon Age Origins you want a good introduction to Dragon Age games ❤ mechanics are simple and older but the game is good. Also Solas was romance option for elf female only game says so lol. Karlach from BG3 is such a bean love her character.
About the Barv scene. You have: - Tash not even noticing that's she's been 'misgendered' and still having no reaction when it's pointed out. - Bellara being the one to notice but being too scared (??) to say what it is and just stuttering. - Isabela deciding to self-flagellate even when Tash apparently couldn't care less. - Tash vacantly saying "Oh" when Isabela says what she's doing because she's still incapable of reacting or feeling, and also that she says that while having no clue what "pulling a Bharv" is in the first place. - Isabela thinking that push-ups/"sweating" is necessary to atone for a completely unintentional and harmless 'offense'. - Isabela claiming that literally no form of spoken apology on earth is valid because people might not mean what they say if it's short or need consoling themselves if it's long. This isn't limited to misgendering. All verbal apologies are invalid on this logic. - The obvious fallacy that because some verbal apology might be insincere that therefore all verbal apologies, categorically, become insincere. - Bharv came up with this system because "there's not always time" to apologize, implying that the use case is being in the middle of urgent situations and yet they'd opt to waste time doing push-ups. Also, Bharv himself clearly did believe in verbally apologizing when there was time for it. - Ignoring that non-verbal 'apologies' are just as prone to being insincere. More likely if anything, since, you know, you're just doing pushups and not articulating what you did wrong, why you did it, or how you're going to avoid it in the future. - In spite of all this, Isabela apologizes verbally before grandstanding anyways. - Isabela spending 5 minutes making herself the center of attention while condemning doing that and speaking on behalf of the 'victim' to decide exactly what she needs and how she needs it to feel better. - "Pulling a quick 10 to put it right" "they made the mess, they fix it" etc. when pushups don't fix anything, whether it's Bharv's plans going awry or 'misgendering'. -The real world implication from the woke script writer that, since verbal apologies suck, people generally in society should be doing pushups whenever they offend someone. Remember that Tweet where some socialist LARPer who said his side should be working out and all the replies called him abelist? - Tash still having zero fucking reaction after 5 minutes of this shit. Not "It's okay, I forgive you" or "No, really, that's not necessary" or anything else of substance. Just "Oh, thanks".
Ok. How the hell you gonna start a dinner conversation like that? You JUST came back with the vegetables.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I have seen plenty of tv shows that had more subtly and understanding of how this works than this game. For how much they want to appeal to the lgbt audience it still feels like they aren’t actually putting in that much effort.
Honestly, I was right there with her mom even if she's a btch wtf does that even mean?
I mean... vegetarians, transformers.... all tell you before Good Morning... so, based
I'm glad someone else was thinking that too...
"Soooo, I'm non bin-"
"Great. Pass the vegetables."
Exactly like who cares
“Thanks for the veggies 🥦 now get out”
I'm non-buy-nary.
More like, “could you please pass the shut the fuck up?”
What would the parents call them now? Daughter, Son, Crotch person?
EA: How much money are we going to lose?
Bioware: Yes
There's no Bioware anymore, just EA.
@@jacktheripper7935 Yes. Bioware is just another name for the same thing, EA. It identifies as a different entity from moment to moment.
The dialogue sounds like these people have never talked to another their whole lives
Or AI.
😐 ohhh I’m sure this is exactly how they talk with each other and to other ppl 🙄
Listening to this conversation had me rolling.
Only child, You tuber dweller streamer dialog
@@Iam-still-noone Yeah, these are people that want to be offended, they are adopting a made up identity because they can make others walk on eggshells. If the culture defaulted to they for everyone they would act out because they ceased being special
This game identifies as a Dragon Age game. Its not actually one.
It's neither a game or art. It will now use pronouns "trash/pile".
Nailed it 😂
Well played ❤ 11/10 outstanding
Yeah it identifies as DA but is actually Failguard
@@GulagMoosefeller An amazing follow-up for a great set-up! Bravo!
"I'm non-binary. And I going to refer myse-"
"And I don't give a single fuck. So shut up for no one asked." Should be an actual possible response in-game.
😂😂 that might actually make it worth playing.
I don't care. The world is literally ending and countless people are dying. We are all probably are going to die in the next few weeks so shut it and fight.
@@ethanduncan1646 You dont have to worry about that since you wont even live the see the end of everything. You're thousands or probably millions of years too early
An interrupt opinion at that too.
@@RR-ze1km I think that person was trying to say that, that could have been one of the lines that could be a response.
As peter griffin once said, "who the fuck starts a conversation like that, I just sat down"
@@Dougthickadome also oh my god who the hell cares.
Exactly 💯, good reference 😃👍
"Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin' " -King of Hill
Literally my first thought
I'm not binary.
What does that mean?
I'm not a computer.
"So...I'm non-binary".
Me: "I didn't ask".
"yes you are bineary, just like a rest of this game created in Bineary 01 code!"
that would have been a good asnwer option if this game was actually trying to be a RPG story driven
Or the classic Peter Griffin response: "oh my gawd, who. THE HELL. CARES?!"
Let's indoctrinate children, yay!!!
Where's my Dragon Age Origins dialogue choice to just chop her head off and continue with the story
"I don't feel like a man or a woman"
Yeah cool. What does feeling like a man or feeling like a woman feel like? Didn't realize there was a grand, overarching sensation a given sex was supposed to share via hivemind.
Don't ask questions rahhhh
See, it's bîgoted to distinguish people by their biology, but it's super progressive and liberating to define people by a bunch of regressive stereotypes. They believe that a woman is anyone who "acts like a woman" and their flag is literally "pink for girls, blue for boys" ffs.
I don't hate them because of their identity. I hate that they never shut up about it.
I hate her, because she decided to be fake due to her insecurity.
vegans of sex
One of the best lines from DA2.
I hated Anders whiny ass in that game. It's scary to see how many people became just like him.
dude, you never ever meet one.. you online hearing about it online and in the news.. so stop your hate and grow up
Man, you guys have a high tolerance to BS. I'm already at the point where I just hate them... With a couple of violent thoughts floating around here and there.
This character has to be self insert. The most stereotypical, emotionally immature, terminally online Non-binary person that demands you accept their reality with no question and acts aggressively towards other for questioning their choices, instead of answering them to help the other person understand, and perceives them as attacks directed to them as a person.
Fun fact btw: this same character interacts with a Necromancer who she/they/it constantly calls a “Corpse mage”; and when he tells her that’s incorrect, she responds with “but that’s what you are.” Essentially making her a colossal hypocrite.
Not to mention how forced the dialogue feels.
Well, to be fair, hypocrisy is par for the course in the "Dragon Age" universe.
@@wj00312 Yea but if I am to deem the character as that, it needs to be believably presented in-universe. It's not just Tash's character that suffered here. Isabela got absolutely overwritten in terms of character, in another scene. L they even made her say "panties", when panties don't exist in Thedas, as a word to describe undergarments OR as an item under a different name. The writing is all over the place.
Which makes her a really realistic character. Thought she same when I saw that vid.
@SpitefulSoviet Realistic? Hardly. It's not just Taash. Taash directly influenced the REWRITING of Isabela's character.
This sermon disguised as a game isn't even worth pirating. I identify as "non-buy-nary"
Haha nice one mate
Thanks, this will be my identity from now on
dude i'm so tired of video game writers trauma dumping their bullshit on players.
There's a way to do that in fact alot of great media came out of japan made by people who survived the trauma of ww2. Real things to expound on. This is not that
If the Gaming Industry want to hire DEI workers for score will congratulations they play themselves
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881
The difference is that having nukes dropped on you is real generational trauma.
A wokies rich daddy not wanting to call them by the made-up gender they chose in college isn't.
Back in the day we had asylums for thise people
@@pheunithpsychic-watertype9881 Guess what doctrine is also coming from WW2 in your society now
"Why can't you be happy for me?!"
"WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU ACCOMPLISH?!"
Pretty much this scene will teach children to disrespect their parents. She is lecturing her own mother.
@@02091992ablesometimes the kid can be right, other times the kid is SO lost and delusional that they need their mother to appeal to their delusions aswell
@@02091992able lol? I think ur on another track bro. This aint the old testament.
It would have been nice if we were told what the term the mother used meant.
"In this-and-that culture it is called X" means nothing to me. What am I supposed to empathise with here? I don't know what one half of the conversation means. And the other half of the conversation is mostly indignant, and the rest is yelling.
Screaming "Then say it better!" is so incredibly childish. You're trying to have a person change the way they behave around you. If your mother says she's not saying what you're taking away from it, maybe ask for a better explanation.
Also don't be indignant when your mother is asking for vegetables as if it is some huge imposition when you're about to ask her to change the way she acts around you for the rest of your life.
Taash mom will get murder for her daughter selfish action the Qunari are straight up religious fanatic they will treat their own kind like trash if they don't follow their people belief. The fact they are making Taash mom the bad guy here just prove how incompetent the writers are. Guess what this is a dark fantasy that tackle dark theme . Taash is a horrible person she doesn't give a damn about her own family, all she care about is her self
10:52 This is such a good point. She literally gives the name for the term in their language and the character is still ranting. It means they don't even understand world building. They just wanted to force in that word so badly that they missed the chance to even be subtle about it
Karlach : has breakdown because she was sold to hell for 10 years, she also is going to die if she cant fix her heart soon.
Traash: rages at her mother for not understanding the nonbinary crap
Mom: "oh, so you're trans?"
Tash: "wHy cANt yOu juSt bE HaPPy fOr mE!?!"
Karlach's breakdown is a masterpiece at emotional outburst writing. The burning rage barely hiding the absolute sorrow and fear she has... It was a very powerful scene.
Karlach: is a burly simple girl, swearing like a sailor, but still an affable and likeable woman in heart
Taash: sour faces, rudeness, internalized misogyny
karlach also was in search spare parts to fix her engine so she won't die lol she deserve the brakedown
Lmao trash
This is how the writer came out to their family. They're so proud of it, you must also experience it.
@@dyingearth I would bet my life savings that most if not all of the writers are in the alphabet mob.
Far too believable to be wrong.
@@joshp2542The creative director is literally a Trans woman, so you are right
...but WHY do we (the player) have to experience it too? Did they expect every player to somehow be a member of the LGBTQ+ Socialist Mafia?
I believe it's how they fantasized it. When in reality, I'm sure their family just said "That's nice, honey. Now pass the vegetables."
Being non binary is super important when your world can be destroyed by evil gods.
As much as daddy issues is important in a face of galactic annihilation. It’s BioWare game, small stuff matters lol
@@slammydunk9787 Okay then, how do I cure Taash of identifying as non-binary to secure her loyalty?
"SOoooo Im non-binary"
I just sat down! Who starts a conversation like that?!
-Peter Griffon
@@sparkrock9134 me: cool I don't care pass the vegetables.
Taash:🙁😠😡🤬
griffon
That's the new "SOoooo Im a Vegan"
Dang you beat me to it
Exactly what I was thinking
Why do these hardened medieval esk characters sound and represent young teenagers or very young zoomed adults in this timeline
Because they’re trying to appeal towards them, and they don’t exist lmfao
@@nightlight2542 this feels less medieval and more like California.
"medieval-esque" for future reference.
@@ToxicVex267portland.
''How do you do, fellow gamers?''
All the dialogue comes off like this to me
4:00 that is solas. He was supposed to be the villain of the game when it was still named dragon age dreadwolf, there was a huge point that him breaking down the veil would kill almost everyone in the entire world. Then all the rewrites that lead to the game being named veilguard and now he's a side character i think.
So this defeats a choice made at the end of the inquisition team where you can choose to prepare your army to kill solas or help redeem him so he won't destroy the world. Cause now he's not the villain destroying the world
If written well it could have been so effective that story thread... but no ...better to crap on the prequels 😢
11:23 so…. Her mom is trying to understand and even saying that there’s already a word in their culture for what she’s describing. And she just gets angrier and angrier as her mom keeps trying to reach common ground. Yeah, sounds about right for someone who just wants to find a reason to be different and is actually nothing special and can’t accept she’s just a regular uninteresting person just like the rest of us 😂
I swear replace everything with a Christian parents, you can hear the word and see the sound. Barely disguised
They are trying so hard to make people accept this ideaology but the writing quality is so bad its doing the opposite lmao. The character is not remotely intriguing and a blatantly obvious self insert.
As someone who played dragon age from series onset and I actually like Quanri this non binary crap is wrong.....and in game universe as her mom said their are words for that buttttt noooo....
Bioware did representation better in age of Jade empire all the way up to Inquisition
I swear most people in the entertainment industry right now have unresolved mommy/daddy issues, and they stuff them in every single thing they produce instead of sitting down to have this talk with them as an adult. This scene is pure teenage angst Waaaah !! Mommy / Daddy Doesn't Understand Meeeee !
it is absolute accurate depiction of those nonbinary things, they WANT to argue about it and the NEET to showe it in everyones faces, at least ones who cant shut up about that, I guess someone can be jsut silent about it and tell you once what they prefer but obviously those dont run around and complain to everyone
The only thing that is missing from that scene is: "Shut up Meg"
@@Foxkey Please become a game writer. The world needs you!!!
@@Foxkey "Who the f$&k starts a conversation like that? I just sat down."
Agreed. I'd also be happy to have a random Sandal (from DA1) popping out of a basket shouting "ENCHANTMENT!" to improve the mood/dialog. Give me my special ed, maybe murderous, covered in blood, dwarf any day.
Ok, we have our first mod idea.
@@XSAGA87itd probably be better than this slop
"I don't feel like a man or a woman."
I don't feel like my heart, kidneys or liver are currently working, that doesn't mean they aren't doing so right this minute!
Ever heard of a little thing called facts?
@@darktenor4967 Also, the one question that reliably breaks them: "What is a woman/man?"
@@Graumel True, though these people are clearly broken enough already on their own anyway.
John Stewart Mill said that people should be free so long as their freedom didn't impinge on the freedom of others.
I wouldn't mind doing that, even with people this level of delusional, accept that they break everything they touch, are literally dangerous to children, and; as this scene in fact shows, Constantly impose their own delusions on others and expect people to be punished for not aknoleging them.
There is literally no agreeing to disagree with these people, so if we can't live and let live, then it's live, and let their toxic ideology die!
@@Graumel A miserable pile of secrets?
I think my heart stopped beating or skipped a beat can I identify as previously dead for a moment
@@doubledoubleusmokymirror4d405 Congratulations! I'm so happy for you! It's such a wonderful thing that you identify as non-alivary!
9:54 so the mother instead of getting angry or upset, gives Tash an opportunity to explain. People listen better when you come from a place they already understand and the mother is willingly opening that door to try understanding.
But Tash here goes on a tirade because she's _different,_ its NOTHING like that how could you hate me so much why am i never good enough!
Straight up abusive, manipulative behavior from someone I assume we're supposed to like being around. Someone we're supposed to trust has our back in a fight.
That's exactly what I thought too! Like the mom or whoever is just asking questions and trying to understand without any hints of malice whatsoever, and this character just goes off on her, like why...? Really doesn't paint this character in a good light at all.
@@Cardinal_claw
The rapidly shifting 'emotional states' are a dead giveaway for manipulators. Normal people's emotions transition slowly, with lingering elements of the previous ones lingering, especially from a high energy state (angry, joyous, etc) to a low energy one (calm, depressed, etc.). When someone hard shifts from high to low in an instant, it almost always means they were exaggerating, if not outright faking, their anger, joy, etc.
"But Tash here goes on a tirade because she's different, its NOTHING like that how could you hate me so much why am i never good enough!"
This reminds me of when I was talking to a person very similar to this. They were saying how they were demisexual.
I mentioned that that was normal.
They got so upset at the notion that they might be "normal" and continuously argued with me as if they thought every single other person wets themselves the second they see someone attractive.
The labels aren't about actually being said label. They're about being "special" and "different" from all the "normies." Same with the "non-binary" people. There is no such thing. There is no basis for it. There's plenty of basis for intersexed or transsexual (mismatch of brain VS body), but non-binary is basically claiming you have some "null" hormone that doesn't exist.
@ItzaMystri I'm guessing because that's what the writer for Taash did IRL. Or wishes they did. Either way it's dumb as fuck and doesn't make Taash any more likable than any other conversation she has from what I've seen.
@emeryltekutsu4357 It's the new emo... IT'S NOT A PHASE, MOM 😭🤣 (it was, infact, a phase)
"it means I don't feel like a man or a woman"
"What does how you feel have to do with anything?" Give me that response! 😂
Wish there was an I don't care option.
"Reality doesn't care about your feelings"
@@ToxicVex267 Since everything can exist in fantasy now, where's my shotgun wizard? You know why.
Reality literally cannot care your feelings in any capacity.
It also makes me wonder everytime what they mean with "feel". I'm a dude, I don't *feel* like a dude, I just am. Waking up in the morning feeling like a bro; eating cereal feeling like Chad; taking a dump feeling like Mike Tyson; using soft toilet paper feeling like a baby princess? Is that what they mean?
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"I've retrieved the milk from the milkman." "Ok thanks" "Anyway you are adopted."
@@Crux_Riajuu 😂😂😂😂
🤣😆
I read that as "Mothman" LMAO 💀
Me: soooo i'm non- buynery.
Bioware: what does that mean?
Me: That i dont feel like supporting your slop.
non-BUYnery LMAO 😂😂😂 u genius
🤣 🤣 🤣
non Buneary
I identify myself as non-customer
Yes, there is something missing in this dialogue: screenwriter's uncorrupted brain.
I wish there would be an option:
"I don't fucking care" [stand up and go away like you couldn't care less]
Taash: So... I'm non-binary.
Me: Who TF starts a conversation like that? I just sat down!
yeah it has the exact same energy 🤣
Nobody I know does, and I have been wondering that myself for the past 10 minutes
It was Peter Griffin not you.
I’ve been writing for a decade and a half. What I learned over the years is that when you shove an instance that doesn’t belong in a setting because it’s something you’re passionate about, it only makes the scene come off as something you personally want inside of it rather than what truly should be done. When that happens, there’s a feeling of disconnect from the story in general for the sake of telling another. It can end up coming across as self absorbed even if the person who implemented it wasn’t trying to be.
This entire scene feels like it was the writer’s experience rather than the character’s experience. When you see it, it comes off as them wanting to watch an expertly animated scene of themselves or their OC coming out or something. Even the way they talk doesn’t fit the high fantasy setting and seems like a really temperamental Starbucks barista. When you write for an existing IP professionally, you have to write within its world, not for your own personal benefit and satisfaction. You have to think of everyone rather than yourself and seeing people not getting that fact frustrates me so much and makes me wish I could write for these games instead.
Everything I see of the game feels like a fanfic masturbation session for the writers...
@@MetaGiga I’ve been saying this from the beginning. Taash is literally just a self-insert by someone on the writing team. It’s absurd that modern day politics ended up in a Dragon Age game without any consideration for the immersion.
What's sad is that many of these writers probably got their start writing fan fiction which in many cases is a mix of existing IPs and the modern world/personal beliefs. Not to say good fanfic doesn't exist. I think in many cases it's an excuse to manipulate the world to appeal to themselves or particular groups. Writers who continue existing IPs need to turn off their desire to twist it up.
Yup. You see this a lot with amateur writers OR with extremely hasty productions. Many animes fall into the latter and need Powerpoint explanation scenes to pat out the runtime, so you get a lot of these weird extended scenes of the characters explaining some concept or things in autistic detail. Especially if it relates to Japanese culture. Like It's going to be a 50/50 if any given anime is going to give a lecture about noodles. And guess what? It never works. It always comes across as disjointed and distracted.
Only reason you might excuse it is that you are interested about the thing they are yapping about. So the fact that people are reacting to all this gender stuff as they are, should be a big sign how little most people care about the gender stuff.
They don't hate it. They simply don't care. They don't want to care. They don't want to be forced to care.
I am writing a story, I wanna teach but not to be forced, how I do that?
You should have played that family guy clip "who the f starts a conversation like that i just sat down"
So let me see here. The conversation essentially goes:
Taash: I'm non-binary.
Mom: What does that mean?
Taash: It means I don't feel like male or female.
Mom: Oh, you mean like that we already have for that?
Taash: Oh my god mom STOP HARASSING ME ABOUT IT!
The character comes across like an angsty teenager who just found out about this new term that some other kids are using, and wants to go by that, instead of the term that already exists for something. Kind of like the people who come up with the millions of different "genders" that they want to go by.
"I go by flerp/flerpin/flerporn! It's the term for someone who thinks of themselves as male for 2 hours every third monday, female for 6 hours every other day that starts with T, non-binary for a random 80 hours, and then wangdoodle gender for the rest! Respect my unique pronouns, you bigots!"
it is essentially advertisement for left wing teenagers, who go through puberty and need somebody to direct their thoughts. sadly they belive in this left wing propaganda.
To be fair, the mom provides a term that seems to more align with "gay". It seems like the Qunari have a concept for gay, but not for non binary, evidenced by the mom being like "well, if you aren't a man or woman, then what are you?" The concept of being neither seems completely foreign to her, while the concept of feeling like the opposite gender is something she seems to have a word for.
I think the writers wanted you to believe that Taash and her mom already have a long held sore spot of the mom wanting Taash to be more Qunari, so when the mom seemingly tries to fit what Taash is saying into a Qunari mold, that sets off Taash due to years of resentment. It might simply be the mom doing her best to understand a new concept, but Taash takes it in the worst way possible.
Does all that mean that I feel this scene is well written? Nope! I don't like it when characters jump to shouting and crying, even if there seems to be justification. Writers jump to shouting and crying too often, reaching for that emotion. Most people know the value of trying to maintain politeness for as long as possible, because it helps them get what they want.
@wumpusrat
Curse my near-sightedness, because misread "Taash" as "Trash."
@@DemonicRemption You didn't misread.
@@wumpusrat my favorite part of the non binary housing genders thing is that 90% of the genders are just male/female in other languages.
"Here's vegetables... Also, you're misgendering me"
- a cool character from a video game
LMAO
Eat your vegetables turf!!!
They might as well have sat down and immediately started the conversation by saying "I'm here. I'm queer. Get used to it." Was this game written by people or a Twitter thread?
That's better than what actually happened.
That's a damned lie, there's literally nothing "cool" about the character who provided that quote.
I'm going to create a Star Wars game in which the characters just complain about their job.
The lack of social awareness these writers have is showing in major ways lol..
Nonbinary is not a word I think you would hear in the medieval age. More than likely they probably would think you're a witch and burn you at the stake. For a video game it destroys the immersion. That would as stupid as using a time machine to go back to the 18th century and lecture them on computers and how they work.
@@02091992able
Computers actually existed as far back as 1200 C.E. if you consider the abacus is an ancient calculator.
Non-binary is literally not a thing in 2024 and didn't even exist as a term 15 years ago. "Neuro-divergent" is another one of their made-up terms they want you to take seriously and it's just a pseudo-medical-sounding way to call themselves weird.
Omg I'm dying!
"You smell good..." *growls*
Is this a Tumblr Dragon Age fanfic? Is this the Twilight of video games?
Yes and yes.
or its someone fumbling when talking to their crush
you know
like you see in media sometimes
because its meant to be funny
@@sarafontanini7051except it's not
@sarafontanini7051 they forgot to make it funny. I also don't feel comfortable in laughing when it feels like the writers want me to be extra sensitive about current topics. So now it's fine to smell people in a sexual way? Pick a lane.
Creepy.
Peter Griffin "Who the f@ck starts a conversation like that I just sat down?!"
I rather eat the vegetables, then talk to her
but... but.... you misgendered them?? 😱
@@frenchbloo womp womp
@@Apex296thegoat nuhuh, you're going to woke prison now, brother
@@frenchbloo let’s see if they can catch me
@@frenchbloodarn here let me do a quick ten to say I'm sorry.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, there we go really makes you sweat. 🤣
It feels like the writer wrote a lot of fanfic on Tumblr back in the day and not the good kind, they wrote the cringe and questionable kind that make you wonder if they're ok in the head.
This isn't the marauders.
I too sit at the table when my family is having dinner, and say "so, I'm a man" lmao
0:24 when someone asks you for the definition of a word, you can’t just say the word again. If I ask what a cat is, and someone just says a cat is a cat, I don’t know if you know what it is.
They can't define it because then it would be concrete and they would have to set some sort of rules for what it's supposed to be. As long as it's some vague notion, they can just say whatever they want, and you can't argue with their undefined terms.
It just doesn't exist.
They just base it on their feeling. Which is a fickle thing. They dont have principle really.
This word shouldn't even exist in this world. Binary was named after binary computer code. Computers don't exist in Dragon Age therefore neither binary or non binary should exist here. The devs were too lazy to come up with another name for it
@@redram6080 In the video it shows they actually do have a word for it. The mum character says "aqun-athlok" but the writers want it to be a modern-day talking point so that you, the player, know exactly what they mean. Otherwise the woman would have just said "So... I'm aqun-athlok" which would have made more sense in the story
I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason the PC can’t be evil, rude or dismissive to companions and npcs is because, every character in DAV is a self insert of someone at BioWare.
Fits into the modern mindset of being incapable of separating fact from fiction.
well in non of the dragon age games you aren't playing an evil character, you're not going around murdering people for shits ang giggles. You CAN however be mean, if you want. You just can't be EVIL, because that's not what Dragon Age is about.
If it was Baldur’s Gate, you’d have metrics tracking 95% of players killing that companion. 😂
If you could be mean in this game, BioWare would likely be mortified seeing people treating all their companions like crap and trying to get them killed.
@@sarafontanini7051 I've seen clips that make quite clear that yes, you can in fact be Evil in past Dragon Age games.
@@sarafontanini7051 did you even play Origins? you can straight up murder people and sell your own family to slavers, sic werewolves on elves, slay a child instead of the demon possesing them while also refusing to help him and knocking out his mother, you can resort to blood magic, which you unlock from the very demon who posses the child, you can literally give a child to a demon and then send her father down to be possed and then let them leave with zero issue, you can off wynne who is literally just protecting children from demons, and then get a dialogue option to state you think all mages should be culled. You can screw over alistair so hard he get executed, you can poison a religious artifact that literally have miracle healing properties, and then slay Leliana who is definitely not evil.
there are many many more choices like these, but to suggest you are only mean and not actually evil is straight up lying.
it was literally was Dragon age was about, it was a DARK RPG. They severely watered down the dark aspect with inquisition and DA2. But you had some very questionable choices in DA2 aswell. Such as using a banned by law school of magic blood magic, and ofcourse being able to screw over companions etc. Not same level of evil as in Origins true. But to say being evil is not a dragon age thing is straight up lying. Since it was literally possible in the ORIGIN game.
as a matter of fact, let me give some more examples.
child in lothering who cant find his mother? tell him to get lost (that might be mean, but it definitely borders on evil)
help an extortionate merchant who is taking advantage of refugees
tell people that they are doomed and only if they give all their valuable to you might they be spared
killing off surrendered soldiers who only fight you cus you have a bounty on your head and they literally was told you betrayed the king
killing the wounded soldier straight up when first entering to korcari wilds, instead of just bandaging or helping him get back. Its literally straight up murder and Alistairs even ask you if the word "insane" means anything to you.
anvil of the void, helping Brancka take control of it dooming several souls to eternal servitude of golem enslavement.
help the templars with the right of annullment.
i could go on but i dont think its necessary. Some of these on their own might be just mean, but considering what else you can also do and you definitely are evil not just mean.
I'm gonna make some points from the qunari history.
1. Taash is raised by the qun, she shouldn't have parents at all
2. The qunari believe that biologically genders are better suited for specific jobs and Until very recently women were never raised to fight and hunt
3. The qunari have a word for someone who was born one gender but identify as the other "aqun-athlok" and they're just treated as the gender they present, no surgery or magic. I know this conflicts with point number 2 but whatever
4. Being non binary would be a massive enigma in the qun, as they would believe you are no longer a person, you would become Bas
5. If you're lucky they would just kill you to free your soul. The other outcome involves the Qamek to completely rework your mind and turn you into a near mindless worker for basic tasks
Do yourself a favor and stick with the original dragon age trilogy, at least when inquisition had woke bullshit it was in a single optional conversation about a side npc and not the main premise of your party members
"I don't feel like a man or a woman." Those aren't things you feel like, those are things you are. You feel like things you associate with them.
It also doesn't describe anything. "I am an American". "Well, what does that make you?". "Someone that is not German or French". "Welp, thanks for nothing".
Well person may not feel like a man or a woman but he or she should not force other people to treat them differently
If they - according to their own words - are neither man or woman, how would they even know how it feels to be that, and consequently know that they are not that? How do they know they feel different? Can they even explain the difference? Can they explain who they are without describing what they are not? Or is it simply that they dislike the pressure of society on a person and try to trick the system by pretending neither the expectations for men or women apply to them and they are free of expectations from society?
It won't work that way. Societies will always create expectations, and perceptions, and no individual can hide from that nor change them singlehandedly.
Whenever I hear "I identify as..." all I hear is "I want to be special!" 🤔
@@ududy22Man you damn near killed me lmao 😂😂
"So, I'm-"
~takes sip from glass~
"I said I'm-!"
~takes longer sip~
LOL YES .
"Why won't you just acce--?!?"
~switches to chugging from the flower vase~
"See!? This is why I'm gonna put you in a home & you'll never see--!!!"
~begins to siphon out the water hose from under the table~
Input the running gag from the movie Airplane where everytime this one guy started talking to someone they would attempt self deletion because he was that boring. 😂
Someone get the "Private, Dibble me." scene from Penguins of Madagascar
@survivorofthecurse717 That’s it! 😆
The scene I was trying to reference.
Even before the propaganda, the characters are insufferable airheads who can not grasp that bald elf just unleashed 2 Cthulus. They treat it like happy fun times. No. Immersion dead.
If someone plays the game and thinks it's fine until the "LGBT propaganda", I can conclude that they're an idiot without taking much of a risk. The writing is absolutely atrocious from start to finish.
This is not a Fantasy game like not at all. All sense of immersion is gone.
The devs felt immersion is overrated. Narcissism rocks
What you mean it’s not a fantasy. It’s got nonbinaries and everything.
It is a fantasy... a fantasy about how complaining about their made up social issues gets them respect and attention. A fantasy about how their cringe flirting will get all the girls to love them.
WHY does it feel like a satire? like all of it.
I mean, I have to defend the writers on this one... imagine you try to sell to people that if you smash potatos they turn into chicken fried rice instead of..you know...mashed potatos.... you can either a) just drop the idea and not elaborate... or you can go for option b) try to explain and get into details...and everyone sane will understand that you are full of it
Because reality is beyond parody now
Because even when you are person that takes it seriously and tries to portray it seriously, it's still going to be a fucking joke. It's exactly why you don't start off your job interview with "Knock knock...."
The cringe made me pull off my shirt out of frustration
Imagine if all of this was a massive psyop to get peoples' attention on the game, then they're like "SIKE" and it's a normal game
The cringe was so bad that the mothers reaction wasn’t scripted. Her character actually glitched for a second as a response to the cringe
Nope. Don’t want it. These Devs can keep this game. Ruined a good series is what they did 🤦♂️
100%, look what they did to Isabella....dang delusional miscreants.
....with a single scene in what is likely an optional sidequest?
@@sarafontanini7051 You have to be trans in game to unlock all the dialog options and get all trophies/achievements. It’s forced on people who are trophy/achievement hunters. Even though I don’t care about trophies/achievements, that’s crazy to me.
@LegendaryIntrovert Can you tell me which trophy or trophies force you to be a decepticon so I can show my sister more reasons not to but this game? Thanks in advance.
@@sarafontanini7051
Imagine your first playthrough, and you think Taash is cool and want to romance it... Only get this stuff... Yeah not worth it.
Also in Inquisition you have Dorian's side-quest which is about coming put clear to his parents about who he is as a gay man, and the hell he went through... That scene from his side quest was honestly more organic, and it felt more real than whatever slob Taash side quest is... And this from a game 10 YEARS AGO!
And this is supposed to be a medieval fantasy RPG. It's a shame, I was actually hopeful for Mass Effect 4.
Yeah I've already tapped out on ME4. It's destined to be insane garbage now
@@idlehands1864 Mass effect 5 actually. Andromeda is considered the 4th
@@idlehands1864 after Andromeda, I have zero faith left.
@@ToxicVex267Same here.
who the heck still feels hopeful about anything Bioware is cooking in 2024?
Anthem sucks
ME Andromeda sucks
DA I was just ok
Bioware is a literal husk now. Everything that any Bioware fans liked from their older rpgs are gone. Replaced by some try hards political hacktivists.
Supposedly the dialogue was worse before the mass effect team had to get involved.
@@nickd6303 please give me a source so I can bask in reading it to my fiance
Taash is one of those characters that seems to make everyone's IQ drop when they enter the room. One of the worst self inserts I've seen in some time.
DA has never needed a "coming out" scene. Sexualities and genders were present, but not as a primary defining trait.
They really wanted to see themselves in a game. Congrats you lost money.
Sucks because she is a pretty cool character looks wise. But the writing gave her too much cringe. Especially for a Qunari character! With an already established lore for trans identity?! And they just ignored all of it
@amandalogan89 she looks like a black trans and not one of those that make you question your sexuality.
@@aeden8008 THIS. This is what Ive been saying! Leliana and Zev never told you they swing both ways! Dorian and Sera had their own way to tell you they prefer the same gender but only aftwr you bother to get to know them! The inclusion had always been in there sikce DA Origins
@@Elixir6336 Yeah but at least they still made sense then. Like her mother asked "Then what are you?" Some mystical dragon or some shit?
I feel bad for the mom.
I feel bad for all moms with non-binary kids
after a little thought I dont feel bad for either of the two, either the "woke" or the vegan. xD
In this world people don't know what binary code and computers are, but they sure knows what non-binary means.
"is she mentally ill or something?"
Yes. The answer is an ABSOLUTE yes.
That goes for most (read; 99%) of these types, tbh. Getting rid of the asylum system was a dangerous mistake that has cost us dearly.
@papapalps2415 seriously. And it BLOWS me away how many people that I would think would be mostly normal, somehow AGREE with that side and those opinions. If I saw a group of people I agree with doing CRAZY things, I'd be like, Hmmm 🤔, I used to agree with these people, but they've gone off the deep end.
But they just keep doubling down and agreeing with it, maybe because they don't want to be wrong? Or they're afraid of the blowback? Probably a combination of both, and maybe something I'm not considering.
@addidaswguy The deep-lore answer to most of this is that the (classic) liberal ideology has some fundamental flaws in its worldview, which can be mostly summed up as "blind acceptance and tolerance for vastly varying and different ideologies, groups of people, and so on doesn't actually work due to to the strong possibility of being co-opted and infiltrated, which is exactly what has happened and has been going on for literal decades". Progs have had vast cultural influence for a long time now, and they have had overall dominance culturally and, to a lesser extent, politically, for nearly a decade or more. This and other slop is a natural result of corpos realizing that/being infiltrated themselves. The answer, in a vacuum, would technically be that the classic liberal worldview needs to be reinforced with an underpinning, stronger moral-ideological foundation. Of course, who gets to decide that is the point of all this culture war shlock, so, eh.
It is an illness. Its the treatment that's wrong (affirmation).
The dragon slayer's mother was trying to understand were she was coming from, still not good enough.
17:50 Ngl your laugh is infectious and made me sub 😂
Oh I'm Nonbuynary too. Not buying this immersion breaking dialogue ridden game.
There are more nonebuynary people than nonebinary and we the nonebuynary will have an impact in the next 5-10 years
He - don't buys game, she - buys game. Nonbuynary - plays it under pirate flag😁
@@andrewzubets89 it’s not even worth pirating
@@joimumu yea, heard off friends they want their time back
@andrewzubets89 that's what she said
*_"That means I don't feel like a man or a woman."_*
*I don't feel like ever playing this game.*
Unless wood chippers and chucking anyone into them becomes a thing. I mean, people are excited for the apocalypse and defy time for modern medicine, so it's not too far off
🤣 🤣 🤣
"the darkspawn are at our gates, ogres are breaking our last line of defense, the archdemon must be stopped. We need-"
"So I'm nonbinary"
Glad the people of DA:V have their priorities straight, no pun intended, when their world is literally ending. The dialogue is just absolutely terrible. And no, the Qunari (her race) are not usually such whiny, annoying creatures. Iron Bull, a Qunari from Inquisition, was an absolute badass, and he was bisexual. They didn't make it his entire character, and if you didn't pursue it, you could almost miss it. Because he was written like a person, not an object made to tick boxes.
Also iron bull has the funniest sex scene(or rather, the part where everybody walks in), which you'll eventually get to see due to youtube algorithm.
In "their" pursuit of "diversity" they've made almost everyone gay/whatever and it would be offensive to have fun with their scenes.
The Qunari isn't a race, it's a culture. The Qun allows any race to become Qunari, it's just these people are the ones BioWare chose to represent it.
That said, these characters do not follow the Qun.
Dorian is an excellent character, unfortunately suffers personal quest that just was about his sexual reference. Gosh... Leliana is a bisexual but never yapped about it.
@@EcchiRevenge Iron Bulls romance is even funnier as a dwarf. Every scene where they dont show your legs its like you either went and got something to stand on, or Bull is holding you off the ground.
I don't know, I never really liked Iron Bull. He never felt like a true qunari to me. He acted like any other human which I hated. Sten from Origins was waaaay better
They pulled a Brav when they should have Morbed
No kidding. "It's Morbin' time" is unironically a higher caliber of dialogue than this game is capable of.
Who's the bad guy in this setting? I want to join his army now, because everything beautiful in this world is gone.
@@Xbalanque84I think it's supposed to be that dreadwolf guy, the one that wants to merge the veil and material world, or something
5:38 i think its because its the most generic, borderline cliche, word-for-word coming out dialogue they could have come up with. On top of being lazy and forced course.
Having different representations in games is a good thing. Awkwardly lecturing the audience about what they need to think is another matter entirely.
“Maker’s panties”?! Who talks like that? You don’t see a guy character saying, “God’s jockstrap” or “Odin’s boxer briefs”. 🤦♂️
By Thor's thong 😲
the 1s on his feet I mean
It's actually not that far off for her. Isabella is one of those characters that basically brings sex up in virtually any conversation in one way or another, and doesn't hold anything religious as sacred. That being said, the main religion of Dragon Age has a male god with a female wife, named Andraste, so if Isabella were to make an exclamation like this, it would've been "Andraste's panties". Instead these writers have her making a joke about their male god being a drag queen.
@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince Isabella is ruined
It actually was a common way of swearing. I mean, I don't think underwear ever came up, but they would swear on God's eyes, his bones, his beard, his nails, his teeth, or even his balls.
They probably would have swore on his jockstrap if they thought he wore one.
Idk, I thought it was pretty funny when Blackguard said "Marika's tits!"
"Maker's panties" does sound pretty bad though.
I love your honesty it's so refreshing , great video as usual .
Ok i think this is funny, the second Taash said that Taash is nonbinary my puppy literally groaned out loud, you cant make this stuff up.
Dogs are more intelligent than the Veilguard devs.
@@thegreatest397 that's actually hilarious even the dog thought that scene was cringe.😂😂
Dogs know, man. They can smell the autism and soy latte through the speakers, lol
@@ToxicVex267 Reminds me of a clip I saw a while back: Some crazy lady was going on about some similar modern first world BS, I really can't remember what it was, not Important. Her cat then started slapping the hell out of her. It was hilarious.
I think they don't understand that being confused about something so ingrained, and fundamental to your being, is extremely unrelatable to the vast vast majoity of people
Especially when it's obvious what you are.
Thats a chick with horns.
Oh, _they know._ It's why they leverage that to crybully and abuse others. It either confuses people into kowtowing to them, or reinforces their persecution complex.
Most of the world doesn't even recognize the concept to begin with, in addition to the whole "gender is a social construct" thing this identity is based on. It's completely made up and is effectively a meme that only came up after 2016.
@@Xbalanque84Bingo! It's insincerity & a non humble mindset. You vs the world. You are part of the world. You ain't that special.
I still believe a competent writer couldve gotten the point across in a much more interesting way, without zoomer vocabulary and cringe dinner scenes. Dorian's confrontation with his father was tons better.
It starts awful at "maker's panties" and only gets worse. That expression alone reminds me of those "Wiccans" you'd meet at a university campus forcing themselves to say "oh my Goddess" at every opportunity.
from kotor, to mass effect to dragon age back in the day bioware couldn't miss. welp can't say that anymore
Don't forget BG1 & 2
The golden age of Bioware... I miss it. They even made my favourite MMO of all time with Star Wars: The Old Republic
The Devs who made that company, left years ago. All new people now, it's not Bioware.
@@abridgedgoku Ironically, the best KotOR game was made by Obsidian.
Glad they shipped SWTOR off to another studio.
People saying they're non-binary is code, that means "I got my therapy online".
I laughed too hard at this 😂
If some so called therapist are coddling them, they're just grifting for a steady paycheck 😂
"I have thought about it for years while being indirectly inspired and groomed in a Discord server and a subreddit. They told me I should send them pictures of myself so they can rate how well I pass. They keep asking about them. They must really care about it me, or why would they ask so much otherwise?"
It's code for, "I think I'm special, please give me attention"
Legit never heard of anyone who isn't terminally online identify themselves as such, so this is accurate
"Shut up Taash"
-Peter Griffin
Even for the people that it specifically caters to, why would they allegedly want to deal with that bullshit in reality, just to sit down to relax and deal with it again in a game?
The maker is self-inserting playing out a power fantasy for therapy.
because it makes for a neat story beat?
not all fiction is about escaping everything, and good storytelling means dealing with bad shit.
its why noone complains when a game might involve characters dying.
@sarafontanini7051 Can you make it a little bit more generic? You still came off only marginally dishonest, I'm sure you can do better.
Yes fantasy games are about escapism but more importantly they're about fantasy and 2024 Californian topics and lingo have no place in fantasy, case in point you couldn't list another example of a fantasy videogame that talks about current topics like 9/11. You can draw parallels to war and crisis we experienced but that requires good writing and this game has none of that. Lastly characters dying have to do with sadness, it's a cathartic experience to lose a character in a game and it's usually in service of the story (fuels revenge or enhances a sacrifice) but this non binary topic does nothing. You can keep on commenting on every comment here or you can go to therapy, your choice.
@@sarafontanini7051 It's about being skilled enough to actually write that into the storyline and still have it makes sense to the fantasy setting. This is not a "neat story beat" it's just the beating of a political drum so loudly that all sense of fantasy is lost.
Honestly I have no idea why I'm even responding to you.... you seem like an average idiot.
This dialogue is so bad you could torture people with this stuff i swear, its almost painful to watch.
I always think these games are made for the captured US prisoners of war but that's honestly too cruel
Wdym, it's hilarious. It's so pathetic, it becomes funny.
I love your reasonable takes it's so refreshing!!!!!!!
the whole "stop the plot for HR time" is what turns people off.
Woke games are really bad about it. Like that whole bit in Dustborn where an alarm is going off but you have to console the hamplanet.
You're right. That dialog is weird and unnatural sounding.
It's obviously the writer's fantasy. I got over that phase of writing back in my middle school days.
Trans and non-binary people are more likely to be autistic than the general population. I could definitely see this happening in real life, since autism makes people awkward.
@@Hinatachan360 kinda like being non binary lol
to be fair about that last clip it sound slike its MEANT to be akward, someone talking to their crush and being unsure what to say or day and end up sayign stupid shit that makes them look weird.
it's a fucking trope, my guys.
@@Rellikan i assure you, my friend who is transgender is not a fan of non-binary.
the quality of these mainstream entertainment products is so sad, I am so happy I lived my childhood playing/watching/consuming actually good quality products that are a pleasant to the eyes and ears; and now in my adulthood I just keep revisiting these good old games and overall products
Look at how they massacred the Qunari. The Arishok tried to prevent this.
She has a problem with people assuming her gender, but has no problem assuming her mom's dietary needs. Kinda messed up.
its actually true. She literally lets out an annoyed sigh when the mom asks for veggies.
RPG writing in 1996 Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain :"I awoke to the pain of a new existence. In a dark womb of darkness and decay."
RPG writing in 2024 Dragon Age Veilguard: "Here's your vegetables...So, I'm non binary".
I just finished the game. Taash, this character, is very confrontational with all ur companions right off the bat and you aren’t given a chance to call them out on it.
It was pretty frustrating.
@@erinwhitlock7166 is it possibile to uuuhmmm not use her in party or just not recruit her?
@@simply_tony172 DAO can do that. This game, I don't know.
@@simply_tony172 It is possible to not upgrade her, because up grading her requires you to touch her equipment and stats, HR REEEEEEEEEEEEEE. And do not do her quest, because you are interfering in her personal safe space HR REEEEEEEEEEE ... the ending gets her good! SPALT!
@@Shinesart ye tis why i was asking same in bg3 where u can just not talk to peeps u dont like and the story is perfectly fine
@@Pickle_Maniac so if i understand correclty i have to get her into the camp/team but i can just ignore her and play the game without lectures... goooood maybe ill buy the game when its like 80% off
These lines are written by people who never interact face to face, or have conversations outside of online typing. Why don't they have a response of "That's nice dear, we have a world ending threat to eliminate, just a LITTLE more important than your "feelings", so let's focus on what REALLY matters shall we?"
Thanks for sharing that story, good food for thought. Admittedly I can’t shake the feeling that you’ve used a litter box at least once
😂😂😂😂😂😂 surprisingly I have not.
RPG characters are out here fighting 1/4 lizard, 1/4 sloth, 1/4 demon, 1/4 vampire hybrids, yet we are supposed to be thinking about their gender pronouns...
I hate how Taash and Harding speak so.... contemporarily while everyone else speaks in a way that's more expected for the genre/fantasy time period.
A Dragon age fan. This game is not based on MEDIEVAL anything. It happens in Tevinter that is far far far more avanced that the rest of thedas. This is more steampunk based.
This game is horrible but They picture well from what country is everyone to picture how they talk.
Also even Ferelden the most medieval type of country of the first game has a lot of contemporary language because It is a high level fantasy that has nothing to do with our world at all.
@@mara_jade021 Ferelden definitely is medieval-esque and Last i checked Harding was from there.
Your own ability (or lack there or) to read and write shows you have no idea what you are talking about.
The dialogue is terrible. It doesn't get the theme and setting.
You can tell these writers have never talked to a person face to face, ever, about anything more than bs alphabet Mafia talking points.
These NPCs act more like NPCs than NPCs from games 10 years old.
@@RikkeDK1996 Yes near the Arl from a farm but that was two decades ago. Also several people even in origins have contemporary ways of speaking mostly easter eggs but still. In inquisition Sera has a really modern language same Bianca and several others.
It is not in our world so they can talk whatever.
However this game dialogue is terrible
Man, not even Harding could escape being butchered by this game...
The good thing is that this sold less than 500K copies, so there's the mercy of never having to see it getting a sequel.
This garbage sold 500k?!
Still too much imo
"You smell good. REALLY good. *growls*"
The writer's not even REMOTELY disguised werewolf fetish.
Also, the writers had the perfect opportunity to make 'non-binary' people seem more human and less like literal caricatures. They could have had Taash deal with her mother 'misgendering' her, and then have Rook ask her, "How come you didn't say anything?" And Taash could answer, "She wouldn't understand, but I know who I am. I don't need her or anyone else to understand." It would show Taash having respect for herself, for Rook, and for her mother.
But the writer needed to create a stand-in for their conservative parent and make their self-insert yell at it, so...
You assume people who make up non-existent identities to feel like special snowflakes aren't raging narcissists with Main Character Syndrome and zero personality. There is literally not a tolerant, respect-worthy "non-binary" person on the planet.
Because "non-binary" are cartoons.
The trouble being that well-adjusted people don't choose to identify as stuff.
13:46 you understand what its like to be isolated and find solace in something outside yourself. I was also bullied growing up, but I also went through 2 foster homes and was diagnosed with Autism. Video games are to me what your cats are to you. So seeing the medium fall to shit like this game is actually really heartbreaking.
I also have autism and I think I know have to talk better to others than these in game conversations.
I had ADHD growing up so got drugged up on Adderall and ended up having a hard time expressing my feelings in general. Made me very quiet too so the other kids thought I was weird. Only way I ever felt like I could really express myself was by playing RPG games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age. They helped me fight depression and loneliness.
I am female on the spectrum and roleplaying games got me better socialized, as well as venting feelings of not belonging in girly box and having boyish interests and being confused bi and so on. I am now comfortable being a woman in my late twenties, I grew to realize I don’t owe anyone anything by the virtue of being a certain sex, as well as I don’t need to be faking I am not a tomboy nerd but a boy nerd or some obscure gender nerd (with D cup and luscious hair I wouldn’t pass even though my face is pretty meh), because it’s exhausting and disruptive. I just act the way I want to and don’t tell other people what to make of myself. This game is teaching the wrong lessons, sadly, a person like this with problems like this is gonna isolate themselves from society and family and miss out on many opportunities in life, because people don’t like people who make it difficult and demand acceptance while being in accepting of others’ perspectives
"This person looks like a combination of Shrek Fiona and Lord Farquad."
So I'm not the only one who sees it!
I've read Facebook roleplays that are more convincing and better in all aspects than this dining table scene.
And that's a horrifying thought.
17:18 ‘Maybe it’s a normal way for her species to speak’ It is not. The Qunari have a well deserved reputation for being as blunt as they are serious and before Inquisition, there was hardly a moment where they’re less serious than a heart attack. Even Iron Bull, jovial as he was for his species, was resolute and steadfast for the most part (If I remember correctly. Never finished Inquisition so could be entirely wrong, it just felt like a single player MOBA with hideously wonky sense of scaling where a Pride Demon and High Dragon were weaker than an Ogre because you encountered the latter after the first two. Cheapens the monsters that are ACTUALLY POWERFUL in the lore, but getting off topic).
There’s a potential Qunari companion in Origins named (well, ranked. Those who follow the Qun have ranks, not names) Sten, back when they were just grey giants without horns. He flat out refused to leave his cage unless personally released by the Reverend Mother even if you pick the lock, is as blunt as ball bearing, openly tells you the Qunari are going to conquer Ferelden is confused and frustrated if you character is female (the Qun dictates that men and women have set roles, soldier falls on the men’s side), has no issues with the Qun’s horrible treatment of mages and outright attacks you if your actions annoy him too many times, though he can be brought back to your side.
But because he likes cats and baked goods, the fanbase considers him the BIGGEST softie among his kind. And again, dead serious at all times.
@@Lord_Numpty You forgot his deadpan humor. Sten the Qunari man is a great character. Perfectly fine with his role in the Qun and really curious about 'why' Ferelden does things the way it does. Imagine experiencing a culture shock but there is also an apocalypse going on and you lost your soul (symbolic of course) and you have a guy who has to make it work somehow
Stan can leave his cage if you pick the lock, i don't understand why you had to lie about this.
@@k.g.b.8514 If I was wrong, it was due to an honest mistake as a result of misremembering, not intentional deception.
That he gave himself up willingly and refused any form of sustenance whilst in that cage may have influenced this memory. Need to play Origins again to confirm.
I’m getting a refund. What a disappointment.
What’s really worrying is that they might do the same thing with the KOTOR remake. I’d be furious if that happened, as KOTOR 1 and 2 are some of the best RPGs ever made.
Damn it I WAS WAITING FOR THE GET OUT SOUND EFFECT a missed opportunity😂
😂😂
I have never been disappointed in a game I'd looked forward to so fast.
I recommend Dragon Age Origins you want a good introduction to Dragon Age games ❤ mechanics are simple and older but the game is good. Also Solas was romance option for elf female only game says so lol.
Karlach from BG3 is such a bean love her character.
About the Barv scene. You have:
- Tash not even noticing that's she's been 'misgendered' and still having no reaction when it's pointed out.
- Bellara being the one to notice but being too scared (??) to say what it is and just stuttering.
- Isabela deciding to self-flagellate even when Tash apparently couldn't care less.
- Tash vacantly saying "Oh" when Isabela says what she's doing because she's still incapable of reacting or feeling, and also that she says that while having no clue what "pulling a Bharv" is in the first place.
- Isabela thinking that push-ups/"sweating" is necessary to atone for a completely unintentional and harmless 'offense'.
- Isabela claiming that literally no form of spoken apology on earth is valid because people might not mean what they say if it's short or need consoling themselves if it's long. This isn't limited to misgendering. All verbal apologies are invalid on this logic.
- The obvious fallacy that because some verbal apology might be insincere that therefore all verbal apologies, categorically, become insincere.
- Bharv came up with this system because "there's not always time" to apologize, implying that the use case is being in the middle of urgent situations and yet they'd opt to waste time doing push-ups. Also, Bharv himself clearly did believe in verbally apologizing when there was time for it.
- Ignoring that non-verbal 'apologies' are just as prone to being insincere. More likely if anything, since, you know, you're just doing pushups and not articulating what you did wrong, why you did it, or how you're going to avoid it in the future.
- In spite of all this, Isabela apologizes verbally before grandstanding anyways.
- Isabela spending 5 minutes making herself the center of attention while condemning doing that and speaking on behalf of the 'victim' to decide exactly what she needs and how she needs it to feel better.
- "Pulling a quick 10 to put it right" "they made the mess, they fix it" etc. when pushups don't fix anything, whether it's Bharv's plans going awry or 'misgendering'.
-The real world implication from the woke script writer that, since verbal apologies suck, people generally in society should be doing pushups whenever they offend someone. Remember that Tweet where some socialist LARPer who said his side should be working out and all the replies called him abelist?
- Tash still having zero fucking reaction after 5 minutes of this shit. Not "It's okay, I forgive you" or "No, really, that's not necessary" or anything else of substance. Just "Oh, thanks".
Also she only does 5 push-ups not 10.
It's obviously the writer speaking and not the character
@@Pirokh and also who sweats doing 10 push-ups? I do that as a warm-up before I actually start exercising.
Taash reaction is so funny bro 💀, she did not gaf at all
@@ToxicVex267 The people who wrote these characters have never done a push-up in their life.