Oh for sure. It's marketing 101 at this point. Your aim is to get conversation going on social media. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Most of this garbage was probably put together by an AI with the directive: make money by generating social media chatter. If you look at in context the diversity hires are horribly cynical and the actors are chumps for going along with it, though I suspect writing op eds about their brave strives to change racial norms are now a contractual obligation.
It absolutely is and they absolutely know. They've even told the actors to expect backlash before releasing initial trailers which always include the cause of said inevitable backlash as their centerpiece. Just look at the first Peter Pan trailer. The trailer literally told us nothing about the movie except "we've got two race swaps, Wendy is now a girlboss and the lost boys are not all boys". They're definitely baiting the fans for marketing.
Right! & Like when did they ever say that it belonged to Peter Pan anyway? cus they never hinted at that in the classic version 🙈 He literally says that to in order to fly you "faith,trust & PIXIE dust"
The original Wendy was the sort of big sister who was caring, nurturing, and encouraged her younger siblings to embrace growing up. This Wendy gives me the bossy, know-it-all big sister whose siblings stop whatever fun thing they're doing when she enters the room.
You know... about representation... growing up as a little white girl, I wanted to be peter pan. I felt so understood by his character. did it matter he was a boy? not to me. Which disney princess was my favourite? Mulan. She's chinese, I'm clearly not. But I felt understood by her character. I felt represented as a weird girl who wants to make her family proud and and who doesn't feel comfortable wearing makeup and dresses. I felt represented by fckn Judy Hopps as someone who believes she could achieve anything by working hard, only to find out it was more complicated than that. I feel like making these characters all about their ethnicities or gender is twisting everything disney stood for.
Agreed. This whole "representation" push has the opposite effect. All they are doing is screaming that you cant identify with characters not your race and gender. Terrible message.
I actually burst into laughter when you showed the “never land reveal” scene. That looked like a giant clump of darkness it didn’t even resemble an island. What the actual heck.
@@hassathunter2464 Wendy hits children and Peter cuts of a hand of someone who leaves him. I think the heroes of this movie are mommy smee and tigerlilly at this point. XD.
Probably the biggest middle finger is the fact they they Peter Pan into a complete psycho with the way they rewrote Hook. Him being a Lost Boy who wanted to leave Neverland to find his mother, got lost at sea ,became a pirate to survive and then came back to Neverland only to have his hand chopped off by Peter. Hook genuinely feels more like the hero than anything tbh. And, of course, lets not forget how they butchered the whole theme of growing up the original story was going for, by turning the compassionate Wendy, who originally embodied all the positive aspects of growing up, into a girlboss who's whole arc is realising how awesome she alredy is.
In the (small) defense for this movie, there are already some stories about Peter Pan being a complete sociopath. It would make a great horror movie but I don’t know why they chose to explore that in whatever this movie was supposed to be. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boy_(Henry_novel)
Tbh hook written like that could be an interesting idea as he was the living embodiment of why peter pan rejected the adulthood wasn't a good thing, but then again Disney just making their villain have sympathetic backstory just to make sure that people think this as "deep writing" and not really think and re-evaluate how this sad backstory could say about the characters and the themes in the story.
@@MsUlquiorra77 then again its not even well-implemented in the movie it just comes off as "oh yeah, peter's here too. anywways, have you sEEN OUR GIRLBOSS WENDY?!?!?!?!11?!!?"
I don't understand how "strong female protagonist" translates to being abusive, arrogant, selfish, pessimistic, a narcissist, and a bully. I see Wendy went to the Amber Heard school of "female empowerment". I know a lot of guys suck but that doesn't mean all males are corrupt devils. Men can be respectful, vulnerable, and caring while still being very masculine. We can still have damsels in distress but it doesn't have to paint the character as helpless and pathetic.
This is standard Hollywood doublespeak. It is followed up by false accusations of sexism directed at the audience because they don't connect or identify with unlikeable and unrelatable characters.
I showed my mom the three island pictures and asked if she can point out the ones from Disney, she thought the 2003 remake was the Disney remake. I don’t blame her, it’s more appealing to look at then the dark island they gave us
I call that “Oh Syndrome” where a character (such as Oh from the forgettable movie Home) survives something crazy and then when something equally or even less deadly comes along and it’s supposed to be all dramatic and tragic, it comes off as absolute narm.
That moment where Wendy says. "This magic belongs to no boy." Just screams they wanted it to be the much more badass "I am no man" line from Lord of the Rings.
That is an excellent point. I had not made that connection, but I think you are right. When Tolkien's genius crafts the line in LOTR, it works quite effectively. When Disney's idiot writers try to do something similar, the words sound ridiculous.
Eowyn is also a likable character. Perhaps a bit misguided, but she shows bravery and toughs it out. You root for her, no matter how you feel on her insistence to be on the battlefield against better knowledge. She walks the walk, and her portrayal is still realistic. She is no trained warrior, the stress gets to her, and of course, she gets badly injured against an incredibly powerful foe. And most importantly, her victory does not come at the expense of male characters, like Aragorn.
I agree. What they didn't realise was that was the payoff to a prophecy, wasn't it? That "no man could kill him", so it made sense for her to say. Where in JM Barrie's book did it say the magic was male only? I've read it a number of times and don't remember him saying that.
My main issue with the movie is how dreary, depressing, empty, and existential the entire movie feels. It’s just such a depressing movie. Not an ounce of happiness in the entire movie.
@@marcohidalgo1101 and this is supposed to be for kids lol. Requiem for a dream is not. Just don’t understand the direction this was supposed to be going.
Your rant of Tinkerbell's lack of a glow reminded me of a character from the Pixie Hollow movies. Iridessa. She's a dark-skinned fairy, and she glows as bright as the rest of her friends. Ironically enough, in the case of this movie, she's also a light fairy (responsible for guiding sunlight to the flowers, giving fireflies their glow, and create rainbows). So good job, once again, in forgetting an already "diverse" character Disney 😅
Yes! Thank you! The Pixie Hollow movies are better than this Peter Pan 2023 rip off. Iridessa does glow as bright as the rest of her fairy friends and she's a good character unlike these unlikeable people casted in this 2023 ripoff. Hook is a lot better and so is the 2003 version. And the Tinkerbell movies too. And the OG Peter pan is good as well as Peter Pan and Jane. Literally just avoid this 2023 Peter Pan movie like a plague.
As a black girl myself the race swapping of tinker bell got me sooo MAD! Like I don’t know what they think they are doing here but it’s basically saying that they don’t care for making new characters! It more racist then their so called “diversity” they claimed. And like you said I hate how dark the lightning is 🤦🏾♀️
Well technically speaking Disney is making a new black princess also let's be honest here monsieur Tinkerbell is a public domain character so you can really reimagine her any way you want if this wasn't time to Disney I don't know if people would actually care about black Tinkerbell makes me wish you were back in a 2000 like when they made Cinderella black and nobody cared
@king J There is a difference between a new version of a public domain character and Disneys versions of characters. Winnie the pooh is now public domain but not Disneys version, that's why Blood and Honey had to be careful how and wich characters they could portray. And like they call it themselves, Disney remakes are not new interpretation of the original version it's a remake of the Disney version. It's not a random fairy it's Disneys Tinkerbelle, it's not just a little mermaid it's Disneys Ariel. It's already supposed to be their existing characters with their characteristics and recognisability. And appearance is a big part of that. DC wouldn't just randomly put Superman into a yellow/green outfit without a reason, because it would be distracting and break the immersion of the viewer. If they want to make a new version they can do it. Muppets the little mermaid can have as many black mermaids as they want. A new life action peter pan that didn't claim to be a remake can have as much fairys of different ethnicity as they want. But if they clinge to their characters than they should keep their characteristics and not just the name.
@king J that's such a dumb as shit excuse to make for race swapping lol. Can't wait for some prominent black character to get white washed to see all you "public domain" losers come out and whine about how it's racist lol
As someone who is also black, what especially pissed me off about the race swap of Tinkerbell was that instead of race swapping her, they could’ve used one of Tink’s friends from the Pixie Hollow movies. Specifically, Iridessa. An actual black fairy. But no. Disney would rather ignore their existing black characters, and would rather do a lazy race swap instead.
“We’re the lost boys” Wendy: “But you’re girls?” “So!?” Me who knows the real reason why there aren’t any lost girls in the original movie and the original fairy tale version: *Sigh*
Please explain to me how a movie made in 2003 looks better than a move made 20 years later? Yes some of the effects are dated but overall it looks WAY better than this bland, dark, dreary, and boring excuse for a movie. Peter was not charismatic and he just wasn’t casted well and it had nothing to do with his skin color. I was open to seeing a race bent Peter Pan…..but they didn’t cast him based off his acting just the way he looked which is very insulting to people of color who would look up to Peter. Also who would look up to him in this movie he’s not portrayed well his female costars were treated better. Tinker bell was wasted potential she was pretty but no glow or sparkle? Wtf? Also why is tinker bell with him if they can’t understand each other? 😂 that makes no sense! Why are they friends?
@@Alteori I love your videos! You tore this movie a new one and I loved it! You had me cackling at my desk at work. Please keep posting these videos. There was no chemistry with any of these actors either like Peter and Wendy weren’t even believable as friends. Tinker bell and Peter could communicate so there goes another duo….the lost boys (and girls) didn’t seem to have it either they were just a bunch of checked boxes put together. I will only show my children the 2003 version
Hook looks miles better as well, and absolutely was MILES better honestly. Really don't know why they don't do something with Rufio if they are so "concerned" about having someone who doesn't need quite as much sunscreen as the lead.
I can’t remember who first pointed it out to me, but isn’t it kind of incredibly harmful that all these shows and movies coming out are teaching young girls that relying on others makes you weak? I swear to God, if these “strong female characters” were male, the same people defending them would scream “toxic masculinity.”
I agree. I’ve always thought that we are looking at the words “strong female character” wrong. I think if you want to take the most advantage in making a female character good and relatable in good ways, then don’t think “strong female character”, but instead think “female of strong character”. That could mean so many different things besides what we’ve been getting in media these last several years. It makes a big difference.
Exactly. Also teaching girls that it's okay to act like an asshole towards boys, because they somehow deserve the abuse your giving. I'm so tired of these dumb movies making guys out to be like they are dumb, weak, stupid and insignificant. If being in support of women means that the standard is to treat men as if they're lesser, then I guess I don't. I thought we as a society were supposed to be supporting equal rights, not dominant rights. We shouldn't have to degrade and belittle men to feel like we are strong and worth something. Movies like this attempt to do just that.
@@jaydarichmond8878a "strong character" for people with lacking character would be exactly like how Wendy is portrayed here. That's the problem. They don't know what "good" is. Not a good character or "having good character". They simply don't understand "goodness"
@@jaydarichmond8878 Take James Cameron’s take on a strong female character in Avatar vs. someone like the director (I think?) of Wonder Woman 2 as an example. Doesn't matter which plot is better than which one but it's pretty ironic that I relate to Cam’s vision of motherhood more than Diana's movies. They don't even try to acknowledge that feminity has many unique faces but rather dissect the complexity into empty shells of only action flicks and to me, it is really harmful to the rest that doesn't share the same values. It's not even just one gender thing because I see the same perspective of trying so hard to make everything black and white that they create extra inconsistency within themselves and honestly encourage more harm than good for the general public with unconstructive (?) conflicts.
It's like the girl acting as Tinkerbell was hired for the color of her skin and not the colour of her character. What a surprise! *_Woke Disney Pictures._*
Because the 2003 movie is the most accurate to the book out of every adaption. If anything, people should be saying which adaptations are more comparable to the 2003 version instead
28:18 As someone else pointed-out, Wendy's final "happy" thought is to be "old, alone, and done for" which is the very unhappy thought that finishes-off Captain Hook in the '03 version. Also, I saw no sign of any "family" in Wendy's girlboss future. She's just shown doing girlboss stuff, and then dying alone. Contrast that with Puss-in-Boot's "life flashing before his eyes" during his final confrontation against The Wolf: its images of love, comradeship, and enjoying life with others. Those images are what inspire Puss to fight Death to the end for that life. Wendy's "happy" future is just shallow self-absorption which says it all about Disney's current "creatives."
It makes one wonder about the writers since they saw girlboss Wendy's solitary life as the happy thought and not the relationships with family and friends. I guess the writers are lacking on the relationships with others angle.
Give this person more likes because they're speaking straight facts. They made Wendy's flash-forward go against everything her character originally stood for. I didn't realize the resemblance to Hook's ending, that's really ironic. And you're right, Puss in Boots was about how you need others in your life, not about being ✨independant✨
Peter Pan 2003 holds up. The Jeremy sumpter and Rachel Hurd-wood had a little crush on each other while filming and it showed. They did such a good performance. And the practical effects and the fight scenes were hilarious. And it was so much more faithful not only to the Disney movie but to the book.
Thats the only live action I know of Peter Pan, none of 2023 peter and wendy exists in my view and no one asked for a Disney Remake ( 2003 was a Universal Studios remake )
Same! I'm happy that it's on Netflix now. Plus, the acting and chemistry between all the actors/actress, I adore them. Oh! And the musical score is so beautiful and gives me chills.
Lost Boys (Peter Pan & Wendy, 2023): We lost boys got girls now! Jane (Return to Neverland, 2002): Am I a joke to you? I'm the one that made history as the very first Lost Girl for heaven's sake! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
To be fair with Tiger Lily speaking Cree they could have played it like Neverland magic translates things. For me the most annoying thing about Tiger Lily is they got her horse wrong. Native Americans are known for riding painted ponies called Appaloosas, it’s an American horse breed with a naturally occurring spotted coat mutation and they are gorgeous horses. Instead they’ve got her riding what looks like a Lipizzaner (you can tell by the black nose) which is a European breed and startlingly white in a film where everything else is drab. Literally this horse looks like it’s glowing next to everything else (including the fairy). I get they were probably trying to do the hero rides up on a white horse trope but seriously Appaloosas are awesome.
Well, technically painted horses and Appaloosas are completely different. But yes, you were completely correct. Another famous horse that they ride are mustangs. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's because of the acting, but it sounds as though tiger Lily doesn't natively speak Cree. She feels stiff while speaking it but then again she feels like that with her whole role. It's like nobody went over the lines with the side characters several times and actually practiced. They literally sound like they were just reading off a script.
@@marcohidalgo1101 Speaking of Neverending story…Apparently Disney is making a remake of that movie. After watching this train wreck of a movie, I’m worried Disney is going to butcher it.
To be honest, the Pinocchio remake is much worse. While the Peter Pan remake isn’t good, it’s not really offensive like the Pinocchio remake. It’s just more boring and forgettable than frustrating.
The biggest problem with Disney's ''sympathetic'' villains: - Retroactively trying to make a villain into a misunderstood hero. ''Remember the original villains? Well, now you should feel bad for them and stupid for thinking they were evil in the first place.'' - Even when they're supposed to be likable they still are terrible. They're mean, do terrible things and we are supposed to feel bad for them because they have a sad backstory? Paraphrasing Rocket the Racoon ''Boo hoo! Your mommy is dead? It's not an excuse to be a dick!'' - Speaking of backstories! Modern Disney can't tell a subtle story. The new backstories are so over-the-top tragic and edgy that they unintentionally end up being funny. Cruella's mother being dropped kicked off a cliff by the dalmatians comes to mind. - Also, contrived and stupid. It's really hard to feel sympathy for someone if most of their problems come from their actions and instead of acknowledging it and changing for the better they go ''You destroyed my life!'' and go on a path of revenge. Why is Cruella homeless as a child, shouldn't the police find her and put her in foster care or an orphanage? I guess ''My mother was pushed off a cliff by dogs.'' would make people think she's crazy. - Not to mention how by trying to make villains sympathetic the writers turn ''heroes'' into terrible people. Peter Pan was best friends with Captain Hook but left him alone to wander the seas looking for his mother and when he come back as an adult Peter cut off his hand. I want Hook to kill this little psycho and save poor children. I reads like those fanfiction about Hook being the lost boy. But even those fanfics are better! - It also takes away from their threatening presence. Scar in the remake is now a pussy (wink wink) who sounds like he's about to cry when killing Mufasa and an incel who can't get over that Sarabi married Mufasa and not him.
I get what you're saying but sometimes some of the villains in the modern-day Disney movies do work well the best example is maleficent they did a very good job with her live-action counterpart. Let's not forget their Sher Khan in the remake all the jungle book he was still threatening and menacing. Disney is not the only one that makes their villains sympathetic misunderstood heroes you can say the same happened with The joker in that standalone movie and don't forget about the villains in the my hero academia series.
that with Peter pan acting like a psycho is kinda true to the book. the reason there werent any adults among the lost boys is because he kills them whenever they become too old
I agree mostly but peter pan especifically is not like other disney heroes he is already kinda suspicious in the original movie and in the original book which is where this movie is borrowing the title from he is a darker type of charcater more of antihero in my opinion. My interpretation when i read is he represents everything about not growing up not only the good parts being selfish and improper also are behaviour kids often display because their world view is too small so they think they are the center of it and they tend to grow out of it later but Peter pan never does. But i think there is valid criticism about this movie for sure especially the colors and production design for neverland.
I think there was an explanation in the OG Peter Pan stories why the Lost Boys are all boys. I believe it was something along the lines of, the Lost Boys were babies that fell out of their cribs in orphanages that no one cared enough about to put back. After that, the magic of Neverland took these babies and brought them to it since they had no where else to go. And the reason there are no girls is because, as the book explains, girls are too smart to fall out of their cribs, even as babies.
@Nugtastic Dude listen, you gotta stop making up problems where there are none. Its not that serious. I was simply pointing out your ludicrous opinion, which yes, its an opinion not a fact. You wrote several paragraphs of ranting yet say I’m the one who’s triggered? Sure bud 😂
I miss Jeremy Sumpter so much, he was the perfect Peter Pan, the attitude, the charisma, the body language, and you could tell he loved playing the character. Even his costume felt more alive, colorful, with details that made sense, and matched with the enviorment, and gave him that sense of free spirit. The new one is so boring to look at, barely any color.
The casual violence of girls hitting boys demonstrates exactly how the writers/directors/producers/Disney feel about boys as a whole. Disney has jumped the shark and into the waiting arms of violent sexism. Way to go you putz’s.
This. So pervasive in media and so disgusting. If I had a son, I can't imagine the amount of deprogramming I'd have to do to build up his sense of self worth from being beat down by this crap.
@@lececamara yeah I mean if it were the other way around would it be seen funny or correct, I think it would be seen like violencia against women but when it is done against men it is seemed normal
In Peter Pan lore, the reason there are no girls among the lost boys is that girls are too clever to get lost. In an effort to be more inclusive, disney accidentally implied all the new girls are stupid.
No, it's not! Stop it! It's easily one of the best films out there. CAN'T YOU SEE THE PASSION IN THE PROJECT?! THEY DID THIS FOR US! HOW DARE Y- oh yeah you're right. It's awful.
@@CBman11037 no its not a theory, the kid is unhinged in the original story. Disney of course just lightened him up a bit to more of a loveable rascal of course in their toon version. I dont think this is the first "Hook was a former lost boy" backstory either. This remake is still cheeks though.
@@MagillanicaLouM Listen buddy what you consider unhinged I call minimal levels of trollage, engaging in comic mischief or overall just being a bit of a goober. We are not the same you and I
Thats to be expected if you think about it in a logical sense. The critics nowadays always ranks bad movies high, and good movies low. If a movie has a shit critic rating opposed to a high audience rating, you watch it, if its the opposite, you dont watch it.
@@kamixakadio2441 that’s very true. I get the Mario movie won’t please everyone cause it’s one of those films where it’s fine being a simple fun film but u always ponder could’ve it been more. As for the critics I just don’t trust em. Especially since these people gave cuties an 80% critic score 💀😭
The whole point of the Peter Pan story, at least from what I witnessed, is that Never Land is a very fun place and Wendy acknowledges this many times throughout the story. But the longer she stays, the more she starts to think "this is fun, yeah, but...I feel too old for it". She doesn't deny the fun and innocence of childhood, but recognizes that growing up has its upsides. She will miss her childhood, but she is strong enough to face the future as an adult--willing to be kind, nurturing, and strong enough to look after children she may one day have. In that sense, Wendy is basically the antithesis of Captain Hook, who grew up and used adulthood as an excuse to bully, domineer, and attack anyone he saw as beneath him--children especially. This abomination of a movie has outright contempt for this idea. Wendy has only just arrived in Never Land, has previously read all the stories of Peter Pan, yet basically right out the gate, callously decides it's all stupid and that she's above it all. How terrible a person does one have to be when their idea of a "happy thought" is "dying alone"?
It's kinda sad that the cartoon Wendy is literally so mature that she becomes a literal mother figure to the lost boys and her brothers. Wow. I mean true not everyone might not remember the classics but damn just watch the classics 😂😂🤦🏽
as portrayed in movies, nowadays only woman can be macho and they come with perfect plot armor and strength, they come in a perfect character state so they don't need character development, men are wimpy useless and weak and that's how they HAVE to be, they won't have character development because as a man, they don't deserve it, if they for some reason are not into this description, they are either the villain or cancelled
I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when the try to make hook more a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving Hook at all. Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did? I'm sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality- even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language. This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because i don't know, go girlboss Wendy with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone.
Dying alone was perhaps the worst part. How terribly depressed and unhappy the writers must be to come up with shit like that? Depression and death screams through every line of script.
I agree and this 3rd wave of feminism is precisely where it’s leading all girls to think like. That it’s a much better alternative to die alone without anyone? Without any kids or family.. which is so easy to eat up when you’re so young and then the hurt hits when you’re actually an adult that understands you are a human in need of freaking bonds and relationships. But because of this message, you’ve pushed everyone away already, you might be able to form new relationships if it ain’t too late and most will realize they wanted to marry a good man and have a family. Aaand grandkids too to see you before you leave happy of what and with WHOm you’ve lived, enjoyed, fought, and accomplished. They paint This as a necessary virtuous milestone?? All the girls in this movie are toxic or entitled girlboss wanna-be including the writers but depressed… Well you’ve done it. Making another “feminist” movie without making me proud at all as a woman. 🤦🏻♀️
One thing that these new writers seemed to completely ignore was the fact that originally it was that TinkerBell, being a fairy, doesn't have complex emotions, she's too small and therefore can only handle one emotion at a time- and to the upmost extreme. So she is extremely jealous of Wendy from the get-go and shows it, she gets angry and impatient and all of these things to the most extreme amount- which should also reflect her joy and playfulness too- being more obvious in showing. This Tink version just seemed dull and bored all the time.
It breaks my heart how they've ruined one of my favorite childhood stories (literally, I've read the book, seen the movies, and watched the original stageplay at the Stratford Shakespeare Festival) and turned my number one favorite Disney animated girl into what amounts to a glorified vapid valley girl! You deserved so much better, Tink!
@@Nestmind I practically grew up on that movie. Robin Williams is the perfect grown up Peter, Dustin Hoffman steals every scene he's in, Julia Roberts is full of energy, the movie is just pure...bangarang!
I must honestly say that at the beginning I thought they chose the scenery at the beginning to be gloomy, to make Neverland so much more colorful, to create a contrast for the bleak reality and the lively fantasy. I don't think I need to mention how disappointed I was when we arrived in Neverland. Also, I don't think I've ever loathed a character cast in a fairy tale so much. The little brothers are non-existent and the Lost Boys were only there for one scene to establish that there are girls among them. I saw no friendship between them and no friendship with Peter Pan. And the fact that Wendy and Tinkerbell have no rivalry and thus Tinkerbell got no more scenes, took the last magic out of the film.
Why is Wendy so unlikeable? Why do they make all the main girls become unbearable and unlikeable? I don't get the point of changing their characters to be worse than their original peers? Is this what modern women are like?
Peter was smaller than the adults, but it's hilarious he's smaller than Wendy, and I think Tiger Lilly. It's almost as if to let Wendy punch him one-sidedly... Huh.
"No, this magic belongs to no boy!" - I have seen this line feautured in so many videos, and each time, I'm left with the feeling of "... really, this? This is the best take they had?". Kind of says a lot.
I just realized something... Once Upon A Time's version of Peter Pan is seemingly more likeable than this version's... And that version was supposed to be the villain...
I also have to bring up Tinkerbell's glowing is such a downer in this rendition for one major reason for me. In the original, Tink's light went dim when people didn't believe or she was on the verge of dying like when she took the bomb from Peter. Her light dimming was a sign she was losing not just her magic but her very life. This Tinkerbell being so dim just feels like she's on the verge of dying and yet I can't bring myself to care about her like I did the other versions.
I honestly just hate the color palette of these remakes, Disney is so lazy with their cgi they need to douse all these movies in browns and greens. At least Tim Burton’s Alice In Wonderland has some creative direction and color. The scenes are so dark it seems like they’ve went to purgatory in these new movies.
@@marcohidalgo1101 See, I thought that at first too, but at the very least Peter clearly felt bad when Hook fell and said his final line. It was at least a single redeeming quality he had. Wendy had none... lol. Literally. Not one.
@@ElementalEcho Peter apologising to Hook makes no sense. He's supposed to be a a heartless child - that's what it says in the book - that's why he'll never grow up.
This is absolutely a self-insert story for the writers. Wendy gets the powers of Peter, Tinkerbell, and an adult all at the same time and all to the Nth degree that the original characters couldn't reach.
Peter Pan was actually my favorite Disney movie as a kid, because it literally felt more magical and more immersive than the other Disney princess films.
I honestly think they didn't want Tinkerbell to glow to avoid setting off skin tone freaks on twiiter and who would accuse them of whitewashing if the light made her look more white. For the cgi glow to work it would have to be an oversaturation causing her to look more lighter shade of brown otherwise it would be a lot of awkward rotoscoping that would look wonky and very obvious because human subconsciously know how light reflects off skin and other objects. I still remember how they harassed a pokemon fan artist because she drew the black gym leader Nessa few shade paler.
Which is why they shouldn't have made Tinkerbell black, because now they made black people a liability in filming. Also if that's why they did that, why did they made the movie dark as shit?!
Morgan freeman was right man, people are thinking about racism so much that they find it in things in which race wasn’t thought about. How do we fix racism? Stfu and stop talking about it, that’s just the hard part, people love being white knights fighting racism and people also love being racist but I’m only twenty what do I know
It's also possible that the CGI wasn't finished and darkness helps hide that which is really unfortunate that companys that are given this work are given such hard time crunchs
When I was a kid TV did holiday Disney specials, clip shows and movies we looked forward to. Not seen those for a long while and i doubt anyone would watch them now.
Imagine them producing something as awesome as all 90s animation or early 2000 movies like pirates, national treasure, princess diaries etc it’s even hard to imagine these being done now. All was legit made for the whole family before, they respected the audience and didn’t dumbed down anything.. I truly wanted an investigation to know wth even happened to them behind the scenes for them to end up becoming so talentless and careless… there’s no one left there with passion for filmmaking and fairytales? And if so, why…?
I have the biggest crush on Peter Pan 2003 live action hahahaha gosh, he was so dreamy and funny and silly. Tinkerbell getting jealous with her quirkiness was hilarious. When Wendy was talking to Peter and he had that nervousness in him, gurl, I was screaming internally. AND THEIR KISS AHHHHHHHHHH such a y/n daydream material haha. Now, I just enjoy people reviewing this new live action. It sucks. Nuff said.
As a former Disney artist, note how the real Tink had a curvy figure and a short dress. This version is the opposite in every way, other than being a fairy
And they simultaneously push her into the background, darken her presence (glow) while also shoehorning her when she is devoid of character and adds no personality to the movie. Not like the movie has any to begin with.
@@Alteori speaking of personality, Tink was described as possessive and jealous. Wendy as mature and caring. The original also had a little relationship rivalry. During the Red man song, Wendy was not amused at Tiger lily flirting with Peter.
@@willpower8061 OK but once again why doesn't it matter shouldn't you be more concerned with her personality. You know the one thing people like about Tinkerbell or any character or you're just sayingEvery depension of Tinkerbell should be curvy and sexy.
They've lost the touch, They've lost the power! Yeah. After all is said and done, They never walk, you never run, Their a loser. They lost the moves, they forgot the streets, Follow the rules, leave the heat, they're everybody's fool. Their at their worst when the going gets rough, They've been put to the test but it's enough. They've lost the the touch, they've lost the power. When all hell's breaking loose, They'll be several miles away from the eye of the storm. They've got no heart, They've got no motion. They know that when things get too tough, They've lost the touch. They'll bend, they'll break, they dont know just what it takes. They're notca fighter It's not in the blood, it has no will, it's in the weak hands of Styrofoam. They're not standin ground. And they'll *give in* when there back's to the wall Not gonna fight till the end and they're taking it all. They've lost the touch, they've lost the power, when all hell's breaking loose, They'll be several miles away from the eye of the storm
@@crowmaster9652 Depends on you. All this 💩 is only on the western hemisphere. What do you want to do? Realistically, people on YT would do nothing. Which is why simply letting your money talk instead is realistic. But what do I know? Not like Budlight is regretting anything 🤣
When Wendy was seen floating, I really REALLY wanted one of the pirates to just pull out a gun and shoot her before saying a witty "PARRY THIS YOU FUCKING CASUAL!" (I know Pirates don't know how to say fucking and shit like that, but it would be so funny).
Neverland being a dull lifeless island in the middle of the ocean has the same energy as the Whole New World scene in the Aladdin remake, where they went like 5 miles outside the kingdom.
I’m sure she would be happy to know that they are actually making a new Peter Pan horror movie with the Winnie the Pooh blood and honey team attached starring Ice-T and Ava Max attached to star in it.
It genuinely hurt me watching it. Peter Pan & Wendy is one of my all time favourite stories. It had morals and lessons about growing up, motherhood, mortality, jealousy and obsession. This took a massive s**t all over the values that were laid out by J M Barrie, values that STILL hold up today. Such a shame!
What disney just doesnt understand is that 'strong' female characters do NOT mean in the Physicality department. Its STRONG as in likable, relatable, comfortable in her femininity, one that is smart but not overpoweringly smart to the point that she becomes smug. She learns from her mistakes. Shes intelligent. She doesnt try to fix her boyfriend. She has an opinion, but doesnt live by it. She doesnt boast about her powers if she has them. She carries out tasks with grace, but not always perfectly. And she herself is not PERFECT.
Exactly! There are many types of strong female characters. There are smart ones who are into science, tomboy ones who love playing sports, feminine ones who love pretty dresses and wearing makeup, kind motherly figures who bears the emotional weight of her family, and many others. But if people want to write a strong female character write a strong character who happens to be female and don’t make it so that every man around her is dumb to make her seem smarter.
Someone mentioned Mulan. The version of the character in the original animated movie is *way* "stronger" to me than the one in the live remake. The 1998 version was more relatable to me becuase she's caring, smart, and resourceful than the perfect Mulan of the live remake. And I say that as a man. Being a man doesn't automatically make a person awesome and brave despite what Holloywood seems to think. 1998 Mulan is much more like how a natural person of any gender acts. Dudes aren't all born with the ability to kick ass right out of the womb. I'm sure none of Mulan's afellow soldiers were happier to be there than she was because war and combat are scary. Men may not _show_ that because they know what they have to do and what's expected of them. That doesn't mean they're happy to be there.
I have a son. I would never show him this film, or any of Disney's recent oeuvre. I want him to see films with good characters, where boys aren't treated like garbage. This Girl Boss BS that's taken over Hollywood can't die fast enough.
''If you have a *censored*, you're not allowed to be saved by someone who has a latch'' Never laughed so hard in my life, that movie just killed Alteori Genuinely feel better about my frustration after hearing someone even more pissed off say it out loud That was genuinely entertaining to hear, like... seriously, i feel like my oversatured color settings would be lethal to that movie editor Thank you for being the best Alteori, at least you're not afraid to be brutal, loving that~~
“This is not a casting couch. Tuck the lips back in”. That one burn alone is better than any disney remake. And it’s actually funny! I’ll be using that from now on to describe bad facial acting. As a side note, Tinkerbell is super funny in the original cause of all the attempted murder. Attempted murder isn’t funny obviously, but the way Tinkerbell tries to drown Wendy at one point is super memorable
What made tiger lilly so respectable in the films was the fact that she didn't have to be some warrior to be a bad ass, in fact on the original film she would literally prefer to slowly drown then tell hook anything, and thats what made her so cool, her strength, her will and her loyalty
I find it strange that Disney has had such a strong track record of being strict as FUCK about the quality of their movies to being this clueless about what people want. Heads would be rolling if Walt was still alive.
YES THAT PART! Finally someone pointed out the scene where Peter was appreciating tinkerbell. Sucks that modern disney missed out on that one. Did they actually watch the original film?
@@nukita718 They didn't even watch the superior live-action version from 2003 by Universal, where Peter literally cries for Tinker Bell to come back to life after she sacrificed herself by drinking his medicine which was poisoned by Hook.
Personally I feel like this isn't going to stop unless their live action movies continously lose money. If The Little Mermaid makes a decent profit at the box office, we can expect more of these because I truly believe Disney is making these movies based on an algorithm that shows them how to make money with the least amount of effort.
@@brutuslugo3969 on some of their latest releases they havent made much money over what they spent making it - and the what they spent making it doesnt even cover the budgeting for marketing material
This one was really painful for me. The whole concept of Peter Pan, in the original texts and plays (and going back to James Barrie's own history of losing an older brother as a child and his subsequent friendship with the Llewelyn-Davis family) is that Peter is an archetypal symbol of chaotic childhood. He represents Eternal Youth and freedom, and Hook (who is specifically noted as being a former Eton schoolmaster) is the other side of the coin, he represents all the disagreeable parts about being a grownup, and life on Neverland is a neverending golden afternoon of playing make believe. Changing Hook's character to what it is in this remake completely undermines the spirit of the original stories. I'm not against different or darker adaptations at all, although they seem to work best as short stories (like "The Taking of Mr. Bill" by Graham Masterson) or novels (like "Kensington Gardens" by Rodrigo Fresan), but having that youth vs adult aspect is so important. That's why "Hook" works so well, Spielberg perfectly captured the meaning of Peter Pan and you can feel his love for the original stories radiating off the screen. Disney has no love anymore, they don't have joy or whimsy or wonder. *They* are the real pirates here.
It's not just this one either both Mulan and Pinnochio did the same thing to the point it's hard to believe they are really so unaware of the original message and aren't doing it deliberately.
" That's why "Hook" works so well," by having Peter Pan grow up? That goes against the entire point of the character. And I like the idea of Hook being a former Lost Boy and friend of Peter, this film just wasted it.
@prufan did you not read what I wrote? Peter and Hook are more archetypes than actual people, Barrie wrote and rewrote these stories and plays multiple times so there isn't any one source to draw from, so they are truly more representative of their traits than anything else. It literally boils down to Youth vs Age. "Hook" does a far, *far* better job of telling that story than this turd of a remake, with Peter relearning what fun is because it makes him a better person. And Barrie almost wrote a sequel play that may have been fairly similar, based on surviving notes he left, which Spielberg clearly knew about, since he tried for over a decade to make a straight remake, even having the mom in E.T read it to Gertie.
They also missed the importance of having Hook and Mr. Darling played by the same actor. The point is that Hook is meant to be Wendy's mental projection of everything she fears about adulthood, which she associates with her father because of how strict and demanding he is. Peter and Hook's conflict is basically a battle between Wendy's nostalgia and fears. The conflict finds a middle ground when Wendy realizes the true meaning of adulthood. She leaves Neverland, and therefore her childhood, and conquers her fears, symbolized by Hook's death and Wendy's reconciliation with her father.
This dumpster of a movie is miles behind 'Hook' in how they handled the captain. Hoffman's character is a menacing and dangerous villain without the whiny backstories.. but you can really feel for him, and he even comes across as tragic in some bits. Jude Law's Hook is bland, boring, and hasn't had a bath in months.
The shot where they see the island for the first time looks like what Napoleon must have seen (and felt) when he finally arrived at St.Helena. It looks like a prison island out somewhere at the other end of the world. It looks like a remote island where the only one who wants to go there is a field biologist, to put up a tent and watch some endangered species of albatross breed.
18:35 WTF!!!??? They made Peter unable to communicate with Tinkerbell?! I'm sorry but, WHAT? 20:22 Again, WTF? They got rid of the mermaids? This place is looking less and less magical by the minute. 30:47 How the flying pixie dust fart are they understanding her? 32:40 At least in 2003 version Michael managed to bring back a crap ton of treasure, so it made sense that they'd be able to financially support the lost boys. Here... guess the kids are gonna go out on the streets or be put to work. Great job Disney!
Wendy’s sword fight with her siblings in the new Disney movie is both curious and disturbing. In fact, it tells how the myopic ideological vision of the movie’s writers conceives of her. Supposedly a typical Victorian pre-teen (12-13), who is middle class but just barely so according to J. M. Barrie’s literary description, she enters into a play fight with her younger siblings in the new movie. Desiring to win against her brother, she pursues the contest with a ferocious seriousness. With an energetic stroke, she knocks the wooden sword from her brother’s hand, sending it flying into a mirror and breaking the glass. Hearing the commotion, her parents come into the room. When confronted by her father, Wendy’s brother is truthful. But what does Wendy do? To escape personal blame for her behavior, she accuses her siblings of breaking the mirror. After her father leaves, her brother calls her out for the lie. Unperturbed by her brother’s challenge and her own deceitful behavior, Wendy coolly replies, “You’re a pirate, aren’t you? It’s every man for himself.” So, what does that tell us? Wendy is both cruel and duplicitous, resembling much more J. M. Barrie’s literary description of her self-absorbed and less-than-honest father, George, the patriarch of the Darling family. Barrie’s description of him makes him more like the despised image certain feminists entertain of manhood. For example, had it not been for the cajoling of Mary Darling, none of the children would have been born. So Wendy comes by her lack of desire for children quite naturally through her father. He objected to children because they were too expensive; Wendy simply thinks that they are too much of a bother. Consequently, Wendy’s longsuffering mother seems to be more mature than both her husband and her eldest daughter. So it would appear that the movie has given to Wendy her father’s selfish and blustery personality that we find in Barrie’s book. And like her father, Wendy has no moral compunction about accusing others in order to avoid personal blame, something the compassionate Mary Darling would never dream of doing. Moreover, Wendy justifies taking advantage of her brother by saying, “It’s every man for himself.” And note, she does not say, “It’s everyone for himself or herself.” So, there are two things here: first, Wendy instinctively identifies as a man; second, moral rules don’t apply to her. How does her story arc progress? In Neverland, she learns how to be even more of a girl boss. We don’t see the feminine strength of her mother. What we see is masculine bluster. She bitch slaps Peter for being reckless, something we could imagine her father doing. With Tiger Lilly, she takes command of the Lost Boys and Girls as we might imagine a military commander doing in England’s colonial service. As a preteen, she fights off adult pirates who are more experienced with swords and physical combat but lack her Victorian entitlement. She saves Peter Pan, as does Tiger Lilly, because Peter Pan is weak and incompetent and cannot save himself. Then she brings the Lost Boys and Girls home to Victorian England, where those unprepared children will very likely face a dismal future in the orphanages and workhouses of that period, for her parents certainly lacked the resources to care for them. By taking them away from the magical Neverland, in no way did she do these children a favor. So, Wendy begins her arc as a liar and ends her ark condemning children to live in those places, as we learn in A Christmas Carol, that Scrooge supported with his taxes. But unlike Dicken’s character who is transformed by the events of the story, Wendy learns nothing at the movie’s end. Presumably, she simply embarks upon her “happy” life as an author, traveler, and adventurer-devoid of a husband and children--to achieve her goal: to die of old age, alone and forgotten. What an inspiring message to offer girls and young women.
The problem with your argument is that the term “Pirate” isn’t a male only term… it literal translates to “someone who robs someone else, at sea.” I get the gender politics, but maybe understand terms before letting your ire run away from you?
@@missmarie_8790 Really? That simply makes no sense. None of the pirates in the original book or in the Disney animation were female. Did you not notice that? In fact, none of the pirates in Peter Pan and Wendy are female, unlike the new makeup of the lost boys, so apparently "boys" no longer refers to young males. What you point out as a problem is not an objection at all. You suggest a contradiction based on how the word "pirate" is used--that its reference is not restricted simply to men. Are you serious? That has nothing to do with my argument. Read what I wrote again. I refer to the word "pirate" as an indication of character, not sex. Wendy is a cutthroat, even to her siblings. That is where her character arc begins. Then she is made the protagonist of the movie, replacing Peter Pan, whom she both bitch slaps and rescues. The actual audience response to this movie signifies disgust with how Disney has "reimagined" this classic story for "modern audiences." Of course, you may be part of that "modern audience," but you are in the minority. But even if we took your objection seriously, didn't your literature teachers ever explain to you about literary context and literary allusion? How did J. M. Barrie use the word? But even if we speak about actual history, the vast majority of pirates historically were male. Female pirates did exist, but they were rare and often disguised themselves as men. Openly female pirates were rare indeed. That is history, so, what is your point? This Disney reworking of the story makes Wendy the protagonist, and this destroys the moral, as well as the universality, of the original story. And like Disney movies recently, the female protagonist cannot appear to be strong without humiliating other male characters. My point is that Wendy uses the term "pirate" to say to her brother, "You're a pirate, aren't you? It's every man for himself." That establishes Wendy's character as a lying, selfish, unlikable bitch. They attempt to make her more heroic, but Wendy Darling remains to the end an unlikeable bitch. Whether the word "pirate" may refer to a male or a female is irrelevant to the point. So perhaps you should understand an argument before you comment, my dear.
The only good live action Peter Pan movie was Steven Spielberg's HOOK. Just a heads-up, Alteori: My mom got into a car accident yesterday afternoon while she was coming home from work, rear ended by a distracted driver. She's all right, she's doing fine, but her car is totaled and the other driver might get sued for reckless driving. She's taking time off from work till Thursday.
Omg I am so glad your mom is ok. My daddy had the same thing happened to my dad and he's still suffering from back pain today. MAKE sure you tell your mom to stay on top of physical therapy and sue that asshole to cover all the medical bills and recover and therapy. Also, if she needs those steroid shots in her back, they are expensive so calculate those into it as well.
Ok thats gonna be a big no from me. Peter Pan 2003 is a much better movie *and* adaptation of the original Peter Pan Source material. I assume you watched it, unless you haven't, you really should.
When the 2003 movie came out it was my favorite, I was literally IN LOVE with Peter lol. I think it told the story perfectly, the visuals are beautiful, and the soundtrack is so magical I still listen to it. I’m so glad to share it with my daughters now! Literally nothing about this sludge can compare 🙄
watched this movie with my mother as we were both fans of the 1950's animated film. I had said to my mom "the opening shots of the island that the castaways live at on Survivor is more exciting than the opening shot of Neverland is".
Thank to you for telling me about 2003 version awhile ago. I watched it yesterday, only version of Peter Pan I have seen. It was satisfying! I appreciated every frame and smiled thru out the movie, cried twice when Wendy told Peter she wants to go back and he said “as you wish” begrudgingly and flew off, and when the mother didn’t realize the kids came back! 😂
Thanks for flagging up the 2003 movie! Most people just go to the Disney animation, but I think your choice is actually more relevant. And I enjoy any time it gets some love, it's utterly delightful :)
@@prufan My reply seems to be missing (unless youtube is being weird) but accurate does not equal good. We have most of the MCU to serve as our example of that.
Really? They made a huge deal about making Tinkerbell black, and how “progressive” they were “adapting the classic for modern audiences” and getting rid of stereotypes, but they gave her NOTHING to do in the film? Wow. So they yet again race swapped a character for no reason other than to be “progressive”. Gee, who could have seen that one coming 🤣.
@PaleRider 113 the guy also made King Arthurs nephew (main character in that movie) an Indian, although i do like that actor. But this director oddly likes making these English characters Indian for some reason.
27:14 "She looks like she's having a stroke in this still. And that's what my face looked like the whole time I watched this movie. I played it at 2x the speed and it still would not end!" Lmao thats hilarious
Could you imagine how disappointed Walt Disney would be in the current state of Disney? I just watched a documentary about his history and that dude was so gifted at collaboration, creating amazing creation's, finding the right people for the right things. They were TRULY DIVERSE, genuinely talented like we rarely see. Dedicated and Passionate towards creating imagination bending works of art and they Really did understand all the aspects and processes that mattered. For what it took to create those works of art. *(I just saw that Ukraine just started creating 2d animation for their military videos and it really reminded me of what I saw Walt do during WW2) I love seeing cartoon styled animated video's being used again. Just how Walt Disney did (out of his own pocket) he believed it was the least he could do for his country and his countrymen who were giving so much to the war to protect our nation and the greater good in the world. (If you think about it. Walt Disney did a lot for pushing advancements in science/creativity. He made understandable information that taught so many people of all ages, and from all sorts of different walks of life, to inform on very important matters and subjects of the time. Things that might seem out of place or difficult now, were completely relative to the current situations everyone was dealing with at that point in time. (The passion Walt gained for science and technology is what sparked his passion for Epcot and learning how to build all these cutting edge devices, city planning concepts, animatronics puppets of Abe Lincoln or the talking/signing birds in the tiki lounge. Plus all the other puppets on all the other interactions around his theme park. I just watched a documentary covering the career of Walt Disney and he really was a amazingly uniquely talented person. Where he himself had a insane drive towards innovation and new ideas BUT what I think his best trait was: That Walt was SO GOOD at interacting with everyone around him and he just had this amazing ability to find the PERFECT person for different jobs, things, roles. To really bring out the best in OTHER people around him. I truly believe that's one of the most important traits in a great leader. If anyone is in a group of people who are set on creating anything. (It's rare when someone comes across with the unique style and approach like Walt Disney had and really all it takes is to watch the coverage documentary that covers all of this uniquely awesome stuff that positively impacted SO MANY PEOPLE in so many ways and places. It didn't matter who you were, the chance that something from the Walt Disney era impacting you in a positive way is nearly 100% a possibility. There really was some of the best attributes of humanity, teamwork, and motivated passionate creativity that occured thru this group of Walt Disney era team members and we all could learn something from them. In some way or another.)
You do realize, in 2023, that you can hit the 'Enter' key at the end of a sentence to make a new paragraph. No one's reading your wall of text, and most of the points I could wade through are thoroughly misguided or just plain incorrect. Walt Disney was a narcissitic, racist bully who forced his entire animation department to go on strike because he refused to pay them fairly or give them credit they were due. He also refused to hire women as animators, even when they volunteered to work for free for the experience. Yep, real stand-up guy that Walt. And Disneyland was a rip-off of Beverly Park and Tivoli Gardens. Walt never had an original idea in his entire existence. Hell, even his beloved Disneyland train was ripped off from the large model train in one of his employee's backyard.
@@ALNizhoni Yeah sorry. It's too easy to write like that on my cellphone when I get zoned in on a thought. But 79 people have seemed to put up with my bad paragraph spacing. My apologies.
You might be on to something. Their excuse for not having her glow was "Where does the glow come from? Her wings?" Uh, yes, it does, cuz she's, IDK, a MAGICAL FAIRY!!!!! Why can't a magical fairy glow in a movie that already has flying children and mermaid-octopus things? Pretty sure they just didn't want Tinkerbell to look white due to the glowing.
I find it hilarious that the fantastic reveal for Neverland in Peter Pan and Wendy is literally a looming, foreboding island foreshadowing its absence of beauty, wonder or exuberance. It honestly makes the Elephant Graveyard look like Disney Land in comparison.
I think the only time (that I can recall off the top of my head) where the whole 'I am not a MAN' line actually worked and didn't feel hamfisted was the LOTR 'I am no man' AHHHH! *kills the Witch King* That felt earned.
maybe they made neverland look so bland because it fits the plot
HAHA Ayyy the legend himself!
@@Alteoriwell at least we have the Little mermaid to look forward to with dead eyed flounder and sebastian
@@RealReaper oh Jesus wept 😂
@@Alteori then after that indiana jones and his god daughter
Neverland looks like the Isle of Wight on a wet Wednesday afternoon.
Im starting to feel like Disney is purposefully rage baiting the fans. They cant possibly make this stuff without knowing how bad it is.
It feels purposeful. I can see them becoming the next Asylum
I always think money laundering whenever I see the quality of so many things from Hollywood these days.
Oh for sure. It's marketing 101 at this point. Your aim is to get conversation going on social media. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad. Most of this garbage was probably put together by an AI with the directive: make money by generating social media chatter.
If you look at in context the diversity hires are horribly cynical and the actors are chumps for going along with it, though I suspect writing op eds about their brave strives to change racial norms are now a contractual obligation.
@Alteori The difference is Asylums thing is making b rate movies that people can have a good laugh at
It absolutely is and they absolutely know. They've even told the actors to expect backlash before releasing initial trailers which always include the cause of said inevitable backlash as their centerpiece.
Just look at the first Peter Pan trailer. The trailer literally told us nothing about the movie except "we've got two race swaps, Wendy is now a girlboss and the lost boys are not all boys".
They're definitely baiting the fans for marketing.
"This magic belongs to no boy!!!"
Girl it don't belong to you either.
Right! & Like when did they ever say that it belonged to Peter Pan anyway? cus they never hinted at that in the classic version 🙈
He literally says that to in order to fly you "faith,trust & PIXIE dust"
THAT line seriously sounds like something the modern Batwoman (Kate Kane) would say in the Arrowverse. Cringy as hell 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
It sounds to me like they were trying to give her an Eowyn moment, but of course, failed to earn it.
@@BlackRosesRed exactly
Isn't this the same mindset that leads to indiana jones villains being taken out by their own ego?
The original Wendy was the sort of big sister who was caring, nurturing, and encouraged her younger siblings to embrace growing up. This Wendy gives me the bossy, know-it-all big sister whose siblings stop whatever fun thing they're doing when she enters the room.
You know... about representation... growing up as a little white girl, I wanted to be peter pan. I felt so understood by his character. did it matter he was a boy? not to me. Which disney princess was my favourite? Mulan. She's chinese, I'm clearly not. But I felt understood by her character. I felt represented as a weird girl who wants to make her family proud and and who doesn't feel comfortable wearing makeup and dresses. I felt represented by fckn Judy Hopps as someone who believes she could achieve anything by working hard, only to find out it was more complicated than that. I feel like making these characters all about their ethnicities or gender is twisting everything disney stood for.
Exactly!!!! It's quite racist of them to suggest and preach that you can only relate to a character if they look like you.
Hell I can relate to aliens (i.e. Optimus Prime). Does that thereby make me an alien according to their logic? 😂
Not to mention that Disney productions are already full of female role models.
The big majority.
They don't need to ruin original stories.
Agreed. This whole "representation" push has the opposite effect. All they are doing is screaming that you cant identify with characters not your race and gender. Terrible message.
It isn't representation that is being pushed. It is tokenization and the destruction of success.
I actually burst into laughter when you showed the “never land reveal” scene. That looked like a giant clump of darkness it didn’t even resemble an island. What the actual heck.
It looks like a Kraken’s giant turd that floated to the surface
i think it looks like a random villain lair
Looks like a rock. Even its shape's plain and looks uninhabitable.
Same; it got me good! 🤣
Whole budget for the film went to the the man bad message.
You know it’s bad when you want the villain to win
You know it is bad when you dont know who the villain is.
@@rowantic6539 that's a much better take 😂😂😂
@@rowantic6539 I'm pretty sure it's Peter & Wendy.
@@hassathunter2464 Wendy hits children and Peter cuts of a hand of someone who leaves him. I think the heroes of this movie are mommy smee and tigerlilly at this point. XD.
They made Peter the bad guy though
The old Disney movies were straight up art, period.
You know the saying, don’t break something that isn’t broken? Yeah Disney didn’t get the memo
They got it and tore it up.
@@P.H691 My family's Disney no longer exists. This is an evil clone. My blood is responsible for the Silver Age.
No
They just can't be beat
Probably the biggest middle finger is the fact they they Peter Pan into a complete psycho with the way they rewrote Hook.
Him being a Lost Boy who wanted to leave Neverland to find his mother, got lost at sea ,became a pirate to survive and then came back to Neverland only to have his hand chopped off by Peter.
Hook genuinely feels more like the hero than anything tbh.
And, of course, lets not forget how they butchered the whole theme of growing up the original story was going for, by turning the compassionate Wendy, who originally embodied all the positive aspects of growing up, into a girlboss who's whole arc is realising how awesome she alredy is.
In the (small) defense for this movie, there are already some stories about Peter Pan being a complete sociopath. It would make a great horror movie but I don’t know why they chose to explore that in whatever this movie was supposed to be.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Boy_(Henry_novel)
Agreed. Hook is the hero. Probably why they cast an actual actor to play him.
Tbh hook written like that could be an interesting idea as he was the living embodiment of why peter pan rejected the adulthood wasn't a good thing, but then again Disney just making their villain have sympathetic backstory just to make sure that people think this as "deep writing" and not really think and re-evaluate how this sad backstory could say about the characters and the themes in the story.
To be fair, if you read the original novel, Peter Pan already comes off as psychotic, lol.
@@MsUlquiorra77 then again its not even well-implemented in the movie
it just comes off as "oh yeah, peter's here too. anywways, have you sEEN OUR GIRLBOSS WENDY?!?!?!?!11?!!?"
I don't understand how "strong female protagonist" translates to being abusive, arrogant, selfish, pessimistic, a narcissist, and a bully. I see Wendy went to the Amber Heard school of "female empowerment". I know a lot of guys suck but that doesn't mean all males are corrupt devils. Men can be respectful, vulnerable, and caring while still being very masculine. We can still have damsels in distress but it doesn't have to paint the character as helpless and pathetic.
This
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This is standard Hollywood doublespeak. It is followed up by false accusations of sexism directed at the audience because they don't connect or identify with unlikeable and unrelatable characters.
maybe a true definition of strong female protagonist at this point
Not everyone has to be optimistic
neverland needs a mordor tower
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They borrowed a lot from Nanija which is why neverland is so similar to that.
Ya think so!? Disney has lost their magic, so it’s nothing great about Disney anymore.👎👎
@@Alteori Gamera Rebirth
Wait a second..... maybe you're on to something
I showed my mom the three island pictures and asked if she can point out the ones from Disney, she thought the 2003 remake was the Disney remake. I don’t blame her, it’s more appealing to look at then the dark island they gave us
The 2003 version feels more like a Disney movie than Disney's own remake.
How is walking the plank supposed to kill Wendy, when she literally survived a cannonball blast to the face?
lol good point
@@Alteori Something tells me that this live-action remake is definitely gonna be filled with loads of plot holes due to bad writing 🤦🤦♂️🤦♀️
IKR? When the blast hit her and sent her flying, that was a much nastier fall that makes walking the plank look like diving into a public pool!
I call that “Oh Syndrome” where a character (such as Oh from the forgettable movie Home) survives something crazy and then when something equally or even less deadly comes along and it’s supposed to be all dramatic and tragic, it comes off as absolute narm.
@@Alteori Wendy has Armament Haki
That moment where Wendy says. "This magic belongs to no boy." Just screams they wanted it to be the much more badass "I am no man" line from Lord of the Rings.
That is an excellent point. I had not made that connection, but I think you are right. When Tolkien's genius crafts the line in LOTR, it works quite effectively. When Disney's idiot writers try to do something similar, the words sound ridiculous.
Eowyn is also a likable character. Perhaps a bit misguided, but she shows bravery and toughs it out. You root for her, no matter how you feel on her insistence to be on the battlefield against better knowledge. She walks the walk, and her portrayal is still realistic. She is no trained warrior, the stress gets to her, and of course, she gets badly injured against an incredibly powerful foe. And most importantly, her victory does not come at the expense of male characters, like Aragorn.
I agree. What they didn't realise was that was the payoff to a prophecy, wasn't it? That "no man could kill him", so it made sense for her to say. Where in JM Barrie's book did it say the magic was male only? I've read it a number of times and don't remember him saying that.
My main issue with the movie is how dreary, depressing, empty, and existential the entire movie feels. It’s just such a depressing movie. Not an ounce of happiness in the entire movie.
Even Requiem for a Dream, which is considered one of the most depressing movies of all time, had more colourful visuals than this.
@@marcohidalgo1101 and this is supposed to be for kids lol. Requiem for a dream is not. Just don’t understand the direction this was supposed to be going.
Your rant of Tinkerbell's lack of a glow reminded me of a character from the Pixie Hollow movies.
Iridessa. She's a dark-skinned fairy, and she glows as bright as the rest of her friends. Ironically enough, in the case of this movie, she's also a light fairy (responsible for guiding sunlight to the flowers, giving fireflies their glow, and create rainbows). So good job, once again, in forgetting an already "diverse" character Disney 😅
I find Iredessa more charming and beautifully bright than this horrible version of a fake Tinkerbell.
Can they just bring back the tales of pixie hallows.
Funny this Tinkerbell barely glows, because in most adaptations that’s a sign that Tinkerbell is dying xd
Yes! Thank you! The Pixie Hollow movies are better than this Peter Pan 2023 rip off. Iridessa does glow as bright as the rest of her fairy friends and she's a good character unlike these unlikeable people casted in this 2023 ripoff. Hook is a lot better and so is the 2003 version. And the Tinkerbell movies too. And the OG Peter pan is good as well as Peter Pan and Jane. Literally just avoid this 2023 Peter Pan movie like a plague.
This-
As a black girl myself the race swapping of tinker bell got me sooo MAD! Like I don’t know what they think they are doing here but it’s basically saying that they don’t care for making new characters! It more racist then their so called “diversity” they claimed. And like you said I hate how dark the lightning is 🤦🏾♀️
Well technically speaking Disney is making a new black princess also let's be honest here monsieur Tinkerbell is a public domain character so you can really reimagine her any way you want if this wasn't time to Disney I don't know if people would actually care about black Tinkerbell makes me wish you were back in a 2000 like when they made Cinderella black and nobody cared
@king J There is a difference between a new version of a public domain character and Disneys versions of characters.
Winnie the pooh is now public domain but not Disneys version, that's why Blood and Honey had to be careful how and wich characters they could portray.
And like they call it themselves, Disney remakes are not new interpretation of the original version it's a remake of the Disney version.
It's not a random fairy it's Disneys Tinkerbelle, it's not just a little mermaid it's Disneys Ariel.
It's already supposed to be their existing characters with their characteristics and recognisability. And appearance is a big part of that.
DC wouldn't just randomly put Superman into a yellow/green outfit without a reason, because it would be distracting and break the immersion of the viewer.
If they want to make a new version they can do it. Muppets the little mermaid can have as many black mermaids as they want. A new life action peter pan that didn't claim to be a remake can have as much fairys of different ethnicity as they want.
But if they clinge to their characters than they should keep their characteristics and not just the name.
@@QueenOfDarknes5 um.....ok
@king J that's such a dumb as shit excuse to make for race swapping lol.
Can't wait for some prominent black character to get white washed to see all you "public domain" losers come out and whine about how it's racist lol
As someone who is also black, what especially pissed me off about the race swap of Tinkerbell was that instead of race swapping her, they could’ve used one of Tink’s friends from the Pixie Hollow movies. Specifically, Iridessa. An actual black fairy.
But no. Disney would rather ignore their existing black characters, and would rather do a lazy race swap instead.
“We’re the lost boys”
Wendy: “But you’re girls?”
“So!?”
Me who knows the real reason why there aren’t any lost girls in the original movie and the original fairy tale version: *Sigh*
The whole theme of the lost boys is that they never met an girl
Smh, disney screwed up badly
wasn't te reason they were lost boys because girls were to smart to enter neverland or something.
@@lizzylynch4327 not to smart to enter Neverland. to smart to get lost. ^^
What an unfair gender stereotype. I'm glad that Disney showed me that girls can be stupid too if they put their heart into it.
Please explain to me how a movie made in 2003 looks better than a move made 20 years later? Yes some of the effects are dated but overall it looks WAY better than this bland, dark, dreary, and boring excuse for a movie. Peter was not charismatic and he just wasn’t casted well and it had nothing to do with his skin color. I was open to seeing a race bent Peter Pan…..but they didn’t cast him based off his acting just the way he looked which is very insulting to people of color who would look up to Peter. Also who would look up to him in this movie he’s not portrayed well his female costars were treated better. Tinker bell was wasted potential she was pretty but no glow or sparkle? Wtf? Also why is tinker bell with him if they can’t understand each other? 😂 that makes no sense! Why are they friends?
Exactly!!! It's like they were braindead when they wrote this script lol
@@Alteori I love your videos! You tore this movie a new one and I loved it! You had me cackling at my desk at work. Please keep posting these videos. There was no chemistry with any of these actors either like Peter and Wendy weren’t even believable as friends. Tinker bell and Peter could communicate so there goes another duo….the lost boys (and girls) didn’t seem to have it either they were just a bunch of checked boxes put together. I will only show my children the 2003 version
Hook looks miles better as well, and absolutely was MILES better honestly. Really don't know why they don't do something with Rufio if they are so "concerned" about having someone who doesn't need quite as much sunscreen as the lead.
Past tense of cast is... cast. Not casted.
@@30noir Thanks for proof reading that for me silly me 🤗
I can’t remember who first pointed it out to me, but isn’t it kind of incredibly harmful that all these shows and movies coming out are teaching young girls that relying on others makes you weak? I swear to God, if these “strong female characters” were male, the same people defending them would scream “toxic masculinity.”
I agree. I’ve always thought that we are looking at the words “strong female character” wrong. I think if you want to take the most advantage in making a female character good and relatable in good ways, then don’t think “strong female character”, but instead think “female of strong character”. That could mean so many different things besides what we’ve been getting in media these last several years. It makes a big difference.
What you gotta remember is that these people hate being women more than they hate men.
Exactly. Also teaching girls that it's okay to act like an asshole towards boys, because they somehow deserve the abuse your giving. I'm so tired of these dumb movies making guys out to be like they are dumb, weak, stupid and insignificant. If being in support of women means that the standard is to treat men as if they're lesser, then I guess I don't. I thought we as a society were supposed to be supporting equal rights, not dominant rights. We shouldn't have to degrade and belittle men to feel like we are strong and worth something. Movies like this attempt to do just that.
@@jaydarichmond8878a "strong character" for people with lacking character would be exactly like how Wendy is portrayed here.
That's the problem.
They don't know what "good" is.
Not a good character or "having good character".
They simply don't understand "goodness"
@@jaydarichmond8878 Take James Cameron’s take on a strong female character in Avatar vs. someone like the director (I think?) of Wonder Woman 2 as an example. Doesn't matter which plot is better than which one but it's pretty ironic that I relate to Cam’s vision of motherhood more than Diana's movies. They don't even try to acknowledge that feminity has many unique faces but rather dissect the complexity into empty shells of only action flicks and to me, it is really harmful to the rest that doesn't share the same values. It's not even just one gender thing because I see the same perspective of trying so hard to make everything black and white that they create extra inconsistency within themselves and honestly encourage more harm than good for the general public with unconstructive (?) conflicts.
It's like the girl acting as Tinkerbell was hired for the color of her skin and not the colour of her character.
What a surprise! *_Woke Disney Pictures._*
Well said
EvErYtHiNg HaS tO bE dIvErSe
Exactly true. That's all they casted her for because she can't act for shit.
Diversity but every single female character still must have a typical Instagram face. Because, God forbid all girls in the movie aren't gorgeous!
She would have made a perfect Iridessa, this could have been the perfect time to bring back the Disney Fairies
You know it's sad, when the 2003 remake is actually more comparable to the 1953 cartoon. . . then the ACTUAL 2023 VERSION!
2003 remake is actually use book as adaptation while cartoon is Disney own reimagined
than*
Also, it kinda makes sense, since 2003 is closer to 1953.
@@TedEhioghae Yeah. . . I forgot to correct that.
Because the 2003 movie is the most accurate to the book out of every adaption. If anything, people should be saying which adaptations are more comparable to the 2003 version instead
I definitely have the feeling the 2003 version is definitely going to be looked on more fondly since the release of this forgettable remake.
28:18 As someone else pointed-out, Wendy's final "happy" thought is to be "old, alone, and done for" which is the very unhappy thought that finishes-off Captain Hook in the '03 version. Also, I saw no sign of any "family" in Wendy's girlboss future. She's just shown doing girlboss stuff, and then dying alone. Contrast that with Puss-in-Boot's "life flashing before his eyes" during his final confrontation against The Wolf: its images of love, comradeship, and enjoying life with others. Those images are what inspire Puss to fight Death to the end for that life. Wendy's "happy" future is just shallow self-absorption which says it all about Disney's current "creatives."
It makes one wonder about the writers since they saw girlboss Wendy's solitary life as the happy thought and not the relationships with family and friends. I guess the writers are lacking on the relationships with others angle.
Give this person more likes because they're speaking straight facts. They made Wendy's flash-forward go against everything her character originally stood for. I didn't realize the resemblance to Hook's ending, that's really ironic. And you're right, Puss in Boots was about how you need others in your life, not about being ✨independant✨
In The Critical Drinker's interpretation, there is a pile of empty wine bottles and cats who will eat her once she is dead offscreen.
Her "happy" future is a feminists wet dream
It kinda reminds me of a Reddit thread where people were saying that families where the kid gets to meet their dad are unrealistic...
Peter Pan 2003 holds up. The Jeremy sumpter and Rachel Hurd-wood had a little crush on each other while filming and it showed. They did such a good performance. And the practical effects and the fight scenes were hilarious. And it was so much more faithful not only to the Disney movie but to the book.
No live action remake of Peter Pan will EVER replace the 2003 live action. EVER. Still gives me chills.
Thats the only live action I know of Peter Pan, none of 2023 peter and wendy exists in my view and no one asked for a Disney Remake ( 2003 was a Universal Studios remake )
nothing can beat that or hook
Same! I'm happy that it's on Netflix now.
Plus, the acting and chemistry between all the actors/actress, I adore them. Oh! And the musical score is so beautiful and gives me chills.
@@DanielleSantos711 me too! I LOVE the score of this movie. It's just all so good.
Definitely the best live action Peter Pan imo.
Wendy: But, you're not all boys.
Random little girl: sO??!!
Wendy: I guess it doesn't really matter.
The book: Am I a joke to you?
Yep, they’re even telling the audience to shut up and don’t question it.
Yes, the book is very much a joke in this instance.
I also understand thats the whole point, just felt like saying it "out loud".
Lost Boys (Peter Pan & Wendy, 2023): We lost boys got girls now!
Jane (Return to Neverland, 2002): Am I a joke to you? I'm the one that made history as the very first Lost Girl for heaven's sake! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@Jonel Robinson smh*
Disney: "Yes"
disney must think colorful = childish
so they are stripping all the color out of their movies to be more "mature"
To be fair with Tiger Lily speaking Cree they could have played it like Neverland magic translates things. For me the most annoying thing about Tiger Lily is they got her horse wrong. Native Americans are known for riding painted ponies called Appaloosas, it’s an American horse breed with a naturally occurring spotted coat mutation and they are gorgeous horses. Instead they’ve got her riding what looks like a Lipizzaner (you can tell by the black nose) which is a European breed and startlingly white in a film where everything else is drab. Literally this horse looks like it’s glowing next to everything else (including the fairy). I get they were probably trying to do the hero rides up on a white horse trope but seriously Appaloosas are awesome.
Well, technically painted horses and Appaloosas are completely different. But yes, you were completely correct. Another famous horse that they ride are mustangs.
Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's because of the acting, but it sounds as though tiger Lily doesn't natively speak Cree. She feels stiff while speaking it but then again she feels like that with her whole role.
It's like nobody went over the lines with the side characters several times and actually practiced. They literally sound like they were just reading off a script.
The horse here reminded me of Artax from The NeverEnding Story. RIP
@@marcohidalgo1101 What if the horse was Artax and Neverland is his afterlife?
At least I can see that horse.
@@marcohidalgo1101 Speaking of Neverending story…Apparently Disney is making a remake of that movie. After watching this train wreck of a movie, I’m worried Disney is going to butcher it.
The directors really said "We made Tinkerbell dark, we might as well make the whole ass movie dark too"
Tinkerbell is a dark fairy, she sucks light away from everything else?
1:45 that's a good presentation a black person breaking in a white rich folk's home.
"And we let Tinkerbell talk in ring tones. That's what modern audiences can relate to."
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🤣🤣🤣
They actually managed to make a movie even more annoying than the Pinocchio remake.
I bet the Little Mermaid remake will be three times as annoying.
Each movie they make is worse, lol.
TLM, will be even worse.
@@FA-nd9uk I agree.
To be honest, the Pinocchio remake is much worse. While the Peter Pan remake isn’t good, it’s not really offensive like the Pinocchio remake. It’s just more boring and forgettable than frustrating.
@@hunterolaughlin You may be right.
The biggest problem with Disney's ''sympathetic'' villains:
- Retroactively trying to make a villain into a misunderstood hero. ''Remember the original villains? Well, now you should feel bad for them and stupid for thinking they were evil in the first place.''
- Even when they're supposed to be likable they still are terrible. They're mean, do terrible things and we are supposed to feel bad for them because they have a sad backstory? Paraphrasing Rocket the Racoon ''Boo hoo! Your mommy is dead? It's not an excuse to be a dick!''
- Speaking of backstories! Modern Disney can't tell a subtle story. The new backstories are so over-the-top tragic and edgy that they unintentionally end up being funny. Cruella's mother being dropped kicked off a cliff by the dalmatians comes to mind.
- Also, contrived and stupid. It's really hard to feel sympathy for someone if most of their problems come from their actions and instead of acknowledging it and changing for the better they go ''You destroyed my life!'' and go on a path of revenge. Why is Cruella homeless as a child, shouldn't the police find her and put her in foster care or an orphanage? I guess ''My mother was pushed off a cliff by dogs.'' would make people think she's crazy.
- Not to mention how by trying to make villains sympathetic the writers turn ''heroes'' into terrible people. Peter Pan was best friends with Captain Hook but left him alone to wander the seas looking for his mother and when he come back as an adult Peter cut off his hand. I want Hook to kill this little psycho and save poor children. I reads like those fanfiction about Hook being the lost boy. But even those fanfics are better!
- It also takes away from their threatening presence. Scar in the remake is now a pussy (wink wink) who sounds like he's about to cry when killing Mufasa and an incel who can't get over that Sarabi married Mufasa and not him.
I get what you're saying but sometimes some of the villains in the modern-day Disney movies do work well the best example is maleficent they did a very good job with her live-action counterpart. Let's not forget their Sher Khan in the remake all the jungle book he was still threatening and menacing. Disney is not the only one that makes their villains sympathetic misunderstood heroes you can say the same happened with The joker in that standalone movie and don't forget about the villains in the my hero academia series.
that with Peter pan acting like a psycho is kinda true to the book. the reason there werent any adults among the lost boys is because he kills them whenever they become too old
I agree mostly but peter pan especifically is not like other disney heroes he is already kinda suspicious in the original movie and in the original book which is where this movie is borrowing the title from he is a darker type of charcater more of antihero in my opinion. My interpretation when i read is he represents everything about not growing up not only the good parts being selfish and improper also are behaviour kids often display because their world view is too small so they think they are the center of it and they tend to grow out of it later but Peter pan never does. But i think there is valid criticism about this movie for sure especially the colors and production design for neverland.
@@TheTbf96 accuracy ≠ good
Audience sympathy is a zero sum game, don't cha know? Taking it away from one character automatically makes everyone else more sympathetic.
I think there was an explanation in the OG Peter Pan stories why the Lost Boys are all boys.
I believe it was something along the lines of, the Lost Boys were babies that fell out of their cribs in orphanages that no one cared enough about to put back. After that, the magic of Neverland took these babies and brought them to it since they had no where else to go.
And the reason there are no girls is because, as the book explains, girls are too smart to fall out of their cribs, even as babies.
@Nugtastic you’ve got to be kidding me. Saying girls are too smart to fall out of their prams is sexist now? This sort of stupidity is too much man
@Nugtastic Dude listen, you gotta stop making up problems where there are none. Its not that serious. I was simply pointing out your ludicrous opinion, which yes, its an opinion not a fact. You wrote several paragraphs of ranting yet say I’m the one who’s triggered? Sure bud 😂
Carriages not cribs, but close enough!
I think the word used was "Prams" not cribs or carriages but I digress.
@Nugtastic the only one riled up here is you
"You're a pirate aren't you? It's every man for himself."
So brave. So empowering.
Such an a**hole.
I miss Jeremy Sumpter so much, he was the perfect Peter Pan, the attitude, the charisma, the body language, and you could tell he loved playing the character. Even his costume felt more alive, colorful, with details that made sense, and matched with the enviorment, and gave him that sense of free spirit. The new one is so boring to look at, barely any color.
He also trained super hard to fly 'realistically' and the whole cast had so much fun and chemistry
Bobby Driscoll, Jeremy Sumpter, and Robin Williams will always be Peter Pan.
This actor will never be anyone's Peter Pan.
The casual violence of girls hitting boys demonstrates exactly how the writers/directors/producers/Disney feel about boys as a whole.
Disney has jumped the shark and into the waiting arms of violent sexism. Way to go you putz’s.
Yeah how did that get through? That's terrible advice.
Imagine if Peter slapped her in the face...it is crazy that reversing something that is wrong seems right nowadays.
This. So pervasive in media and so disgusting. If I had a son, I can't imagine the amount of deprogramming I'd have to do to build up his sense of self worth from being beat down by this crap.
@@lececamara yeah I mean if it were the other way around would it be seen funny or correct, I think it would be seen like violencia against women but when it is done against men it is seemed normal
It's again just hypocrisy of the current Progressives.
They're all they project you and I to be.
In Peter Pan lore, the reason there are no girls among the lost boys is that girls are too clever to get lost. In an effort to be more inclusive, disney accidentally implied all the new girls are stupid.
No, it's not! Stop it! It's easily one of the best films out there. CAN'T YOU SEE THE PASSION IN THE PROJECT?! THEY DID THIS FOR US! HOW DARE Y- oh yeah you're right. It's awful.
LOL, Peter Pan is a villain though. He kidnaps kids and mutilates adults. Tinkerbell is his minion😂
@@destranomy Some real "Mario is communist" level theory crafting we got here
@@destranomyyou know... Peter Pan is in the public domain, so...
@@CBman11037 no its not a theory, the kid is unhinged in the original story. Disney of course just lightened him up a bit to more of a loveable rascal of course in their toon version. I dont think this is the first "Hook was a former lost boy" backstory either. This remake is still cheeks though.
@@MagillanicaLouM Listen buddy what you consider unhinged I call minimal levels of trollage, engaging in comic mischief or overall just being a bit of a goober.
We are not the same you and I
And somehow this has a higher critic score than the Mario movie 💀🤦🏾♂️
WTF??????
@@Alteori yep last I check think this was at 66% and the Mario movie was sitting at a 59% on rotten tomatoes
Thats to be expected if you think about it in a logical sense. The critics nowadays always ranks bad movies high, and good movies low.
If a movie has a shit critic rating opposed to a high audience rating, you watch it, if its the opposite, you dont watch it.
One word: crack
@@kamixakadio2441 that’s very true. I get the Mario movie won’t please everyone cause it’s one of those films where it’s fine being a simple fun film but u always ponder could’ve it been more. As for the critics I just don’t trust em. Especially since these people gave cuties an 80% critic score 💀😭
The whole point of the Peter Pan story, at least from what I witnessed, is that Never Land is a very fun place and Wendy acknowledges this many times throughout the story. But the longer she stays, the more she starts to think "this is fun, yeah, but...I feel too old for it". She doesn't deny the fun and innocence of childhood, but recognizes that growing up has its upsides. She will miss her childhood, but she is strong enough to face the future as an adult--willing to be kind, nurturing, and strong enough to look after children she may one day have. In that sense, Wendy is basically the antithesis of Captain Hook, who grew up and used adulthood as an excuse to bully, domineer, and attack anyone he saw as beneath him--children especially.
This abomination of a movie has outright contempt for this idea. Wendy has only just arrived in Never Land, has previously read all the stories of Peter Pan, yet basically right out the gate, callously decides it's all stupid and that she's above it all. How terrible a person does one have to be when their idea of a "happy thought" is "dying alone"?
It's kinda sad that the cartoon Wendy is literally so mature that she becomes a literal mother figure to the lost boys and her brothers. Wow. I mean true not everyone might not remember the classics but damn just watch the classics 😂😂🤦🏽
Apparently being feminine is wrong now. Heck, live-action Wendy doesn't even wear the iconic nightdress.
as portrayed in movies, nowadays only woman can be macho and they come with perfect plot armor and strength, they come in a perfect character state so they don't need character development, men are wimpy useless and weak and that's how they HAVE to be, they won't have character development because as a man, they don't deserve it, if they for some reason are not into this description, they are either the villain or cancelled
@@vetarlittorf1807 Isn't it called a nightgown?
I love that they got rid of Wendy's gentle, nurturing personality that taught the lost boys about how important and natural it was to grow up. Which led the change in them. I adore how they got rid of the fact that the reason there were no girls who were lost was because girls were too smart to get lost. I love that they made everyone much less likable versions of themselves, even when the try to make hook more a more tragic character, all they manage to do is destroy Peter's character without improving Hook at all.
Why does Disney think "modern audiences" want terribly written stories with forced diversity and bad messages that don't really stand the test of time like the original ones did?
I'm sorry, but nothing in this movie was inspired. I was bored throughout the entire thing. Law's performance was great, but it's not enough to save this movie. Tinkerbell had no real personality- even Peter apparently can't understand her anymore despite them having been friends for many, many years. Wendy, of course, can take on full grown men in actual sword fights because she pretend dueled with her little brothers with wooden swords. Tiger Lily insists on speaking her native language, even to people who don't understand it-when she knows English and knows that they can't speak her language.
This movie is very bland. Neverland is missing pretty much all of its charm, and there's very little color in this movie. Also, I wasn't convinced Tinkerbell actually cared about anything happening even in scenes where it's assumed she'd be upset. They made Peter much less charming, not only due to the acting, but just the actions and dialogue given to the character. Wendy had no real reason to slap him like that, but it's framed like she's in the right because i don't know, go girlboss Wendy with her happy thoughts of growing old and dying alone.
It's dumb
It's worse than bland, it's reeking, smoldering trash.
Dying alone was perhaps the worst part. How terribly depressed and unhappy the writers must be to come up with shit like that? Depression and death screams through every line of script.
I agree and this 3rd wave of feminism is precisely where it’s leading all girls to think like. That it’s a much better alternative to die alone without anyone? Without any kids or family.. which is so easy to eat up when you’re so young and then the hurt hits when you’re actually an adult that understands you are a human in need of freaking bonds and relationships. But because of this message, you’ve pushed everyone away already, you might be able to form new relationships if it ain’t too late and most will realize they wanted to marry a good man and have a family. Aaand grandkids too to see you before you leave happy of what and with WHOm you’ve lived, enjoyed, fought, and accomplished.
They paint This as a necessary virtuous milestone?? All the girls in this movie are toxic or entitled girlboss wanna-be including the writers but depressed… Well you’ve done it. Making another “feminist” movie without making me proud at all as a woman. 🤦🏻♀️
One thing that these new writers seemed to completely ignore was the fact that originally it was that TinkerBell, being a fairy, doesn't have complex emotions, she's too small and therefore can only handle one emotion at a time- and to the upmost extreme. So she is extremely jealous of Wendy from the get-go and shows it, she gets angry and impatient and all of these things to the most extreme amount- which should also reflect her joy and playfulness too- being more obvious in showing. This Tink version just seemed dull and bored all the time.
In the wise words of deadpool: "So dark! are you from the DC universe?"
It breaks my heart how they've ruined one of my favorite childhood stories (literally, I've read the book, seen the movies, and watched the original stageplay at the Stratford Shakespeare Festival) and turned my number one favorite Disney animated girl into what amounts to a glorified vapid valley girl! You deserved so much better, Tink!
how good was Hook?
One of my favourites
@@Nestmind I practically grew up on that movie. Robin Williams is the perfect grown up Peter, Dustin Hoffman steals every scene he's in, Julia Roberts is full of energy, the movie is just pure...bangarang!
@@ForgottenHonor0 BANGARANG
First time?
@@HeavyMetalJesus02 This meme has become so relatable...
I must honestly say that at the beginning I thought they chose the scenery at the beginning to be gloomy, to make Neverland so much more colorful, to create a contrast for the bleak reality and the lively fantasy. I don't think I need to mention how disappointed I was when we arrived in Neverland. Also, I don't think I've ever loathed a character cast in a fairy tale so much. The little brothers are non-existent and the Lost Boys were only there for one scene to establish that there are girls among them. I saw no friendship between them and no friendship with Peter Pan. And the fact that Wendy and Tinkerbell have no rivalry and thus Tinkerbell got no more scenes, took the last magic out of the film.
Why is Wendy so unlikeable? Why do they make all the main girls become unbearable and unlikeable? I don't get the point of changing their characters to be worse than their original peers? Is this what modern women are like?
FINALLY someone else besides me who gives the 2003 movie the credit it deserves!
Best live action Peter Pan, hands down.
It gets way too much hate, it's one of my favourite childhood films.
Thank you for pointing out how physically tiny the actor portraying Peter Pan is, this must be deliberate.
Peter was smaller than the adults, but it's hilarious he's smaller than Wendy, and I think Tiger Lilly.
It's almost as if to let Wendy punch him one-sidedly... Huh.
I think everyone is smaller than Wendy, because they wanted to cast an adult
"No, this magic belongs to no boy!" - I have seen this line feautured in so many videos, and each time, I'm left with the feeling of "... really, this? This is the best take they had?". Kind of says a lot.
At least somebody has respect for the 2003 remake
I just realized something... Once Upon A Time's version of Peter Pan is seemingly more likeable than this version's... And that version was supposed to be the villain...
Jeremy and Rachel are my favorite but boi did they nailed the actors in Once Upon. They were pretty much perfect for the characters (but older)
And tink in once upon a time was so cute too!! Omgg
At this point the question isn't "Is the disney remake bad?", it's "How bad is this disney remake?"
I also have to bring up Tinkerbell's glowing is such a downer in this rendition for one major reason for me. In the original, Tink's light went dim when people didn't believe or she was on the verge of dying like when she took the bomb from Peter. Her light dimming was a sign she was losing not just her magic but her very life. This Tinkerbell being so dim just feels like she's on the verge of dying and yet I can't bring myself to care about her like I did the other versions.
I honestly just hate the color palette of these remakes, Disney is so lazy with their cgi they need to douse all these movies in browns and greens. At least Tim Burton’s Alice In Wonderland has some creative direction and color. The scenes are so dark it seems like they’ve went to purgatory in these new movies.
And at least that was a sequel and not a mere remake.
That moment when the goth kid in class is better at making decent color palettes than you
"had some creative direction and color'' It did not.
@@cameussmith
But compared to this it seems to have some
Did you guys also notice that the early seasons of The Bing Bang Theory Was colourful but then, it became dull?
Wendy is literally the antagonist of this movie.
And worse, we the audience are supposed to root for this b*tch despite how unlikable she really is 🤦♀️
Or at the very least, the villainous protagonist just like Mindy Kaling's Velma, not the likeable Walter White kind.
The secondary antagonist compared to Peter.
@@marcohidalgo1101 See, I thought that at first too, but at the very least Peter clearly felt bad when Hook fell and said his final line. It was at least a single redeeming quality he had. Wendy had none... lol. Literally. Not one.
@@ElementalEcho Peter apologising to Hook makes no sense. He's supposed to be a a heartless child - that's what it says in the book - that's why he'll never grow up.
This is absolutely a self-insert story for the writers. Wendy gets the powers of Peter, Tinkerbell, and an adult all at the same time and all to the Nth degree that the original characters couldn't reach.
And you wonder why this went STRAIGHT to streaming. Even Disney wasn’t confident about this performing well in theater 🤣
That ain’t tinker bell, she had her black friend sub in for her, since she didn’t want her image attached to this sh*t
Well to be fair the original Tinkerbell from the first Peter Pan movie was kind of a jerk even nearly got windy killed
Oh no. That's not Iridessa. That's her understudy
@@animezilla4486 yes but she's changing during the movie it's called character development
@@Saltedroastedcaramel right why aint they just do that?!😢
@@Saltedroastedcaramel
She also plans on playing Cirno if Hollywood ever gets Touhou.
Peter Pan was actually my favorite Disney movie as a kid, because it literally felt more magical and more immersive than the other Disney princess films.
I honestly think they didn't want Tinkerbell to glow to avoid setting off skin tone freaks on twiiter and who would accuse them of whitewashing if the light made her look more white. For the cgi glow to work it would have to be an oversaturation causing her to look more lighter shade of brown otherwise it would be a lot of awkward rotoscoping that would look wonky and very obvious because human subconsciously know how light reflects off skin and other objects.
I still remember how they harassed a pokemon fan artist because she drew the black gym leader Nessa few shade paler.
Which is why they shouldn't have made Tinkerbell black, because now they made black people a liability in filming. Also if that's why they did that, why did they made the movie dark as shit?!
Morgan freeman was right man, people are thinking about racism so much that they find it in things in which race wasn’t thought about. How do we fix racism? Stfu and stop talking about it, that’s just the hard part, people love being white knights fighting racism and people also love being racist but I’m only twenty what do I know
It's also possible that the CGI wasn't finished and darkness helps hide that which is really unfortunate that companys that are given this work are given such hard time crunchs
Nessa is not black.
At best she is indian due the blue eyes.
She very likely is more like a heavily gyaru.
It's crazy how back in the day, seeing the Disney logo as a kid, I knew I was in for a treat. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
But would it be that way forever maybe it will maybe it won't I am looking forward to their upcoming movie wish
When I was a kid TV did holiday Disney specials, clip shows and movies we looked forward to. Not seen those for a long while and i doubt anyone would watch them now.
Imagine them producing something as awesome as all 90s animation or early 2000 movies like pirates, national treasure, princess diaries etc it’s even hard to imagine these being done now. All was legit made for the whole family before, they respected the audience and didn’t dumbed down anything..
I truly wanted an investigation to know wth even happened to them behind the scenes for them to end up becoming so talentless and careless… there’s no one left there with passion for filmmaking and fairytales? And if so, why…?
@dlairdiablo
Andor and The Owl House are the biggest exceptions.
@@animezilla4486 Do you have any hope it'll be good?
I have the biggest crush on Peter Pan 2003 live action hahahaha gosh, he was so dreamy and funny and silly. Tinkerbell getting jealous with her quirkiness was hilarious. When Wendy was talking to Peter and he had that nervousness in him, gurl, I was screaming internally. AND THEIR KISS AHHHHHHHHHH such a y/n daydream material haha.
Now, I just enjoy people reviewing this new live action. It sucks. Nuff said.
If your looking for an actually good Live-Action Pirate movie by Disney, Watch Pirates of the Caribbean instead.
Oh I know of it. The two aren't even on the same planet
@@Alteori dew it! If you've not watched them already, you'll love the first three movies. The soundtracks are even amazing to this day
@@Alteorinot even the same galaxy
@@fireclaw2705 Try Universe 🤣
@Alteori 101 Dalmatians live action is good too
I was wondering how they made it possible to suck so badly I felt depressed watching the whole movie
me too. It felt like it was 3 hrs
You watch the movie ?
Why would you do that?
* why would you do that to yourself:(
@@Alteori The main thing that bothers me is how Tink has no light
"Lost boys?"
"Um, _excuse you_ , we are _people of lost_ ."
As a former Disney artist, note how the real Tink had a curvy figure and a short dress.
This version is the opposite in every way, other than being a fairy
And they simultaneously push her into the background, darken her presence (glow) while also shoehorning her when she is devoid of character and adds no personality to the movie. Not like the movie has any to begin with.
@@Alteori speaking of personality, Tink was described as possessive and jealous. Wendy as mature and caring.
The original also had a little relationship rivalry.
During the Red man song, Wendy was not amused at Tiger lily flirting with Peter.
@@willpower8061 I don't really get that complaint.
@@kingj9664 it's called an observation and comparison.
@@willpower8061 OK but once again why doesn't it matter shouldn't you be more concerned with her personality. You know the one thing people like about Tinkerbell or any character or you're just sayingEvery depension of Tinkerbell should be curvy and sexy.
I feel like Disney might have lost their touch
They haven't lost their touch; they have lost the ability to care about their product.
They've lost the touch, They've lost the power!
Yeah.
After all is said and done, They never walk,
you never run, Their a loser.
They lost the moves, they forgot the streets,
Follow the rules, leave the heat, they're everybody's fool.
Their at their worst when the going gets rough,
They've been put to the test but it's enough.
They've lost the the touch, they've lost the power.
When all hell's breaking loose,
They'll be several miles away from the eye of the storm.
They've got no heart, They've got no motion.
They know that when things get too tough,
They've lost the touch.
They'll bend, they'll break, they dont know
just what it takes. They're notca fighter
It's not in the blood, it has no will, it's in the weak
hands of Styrofoam. They're not standin ground.
And they'll *give in* when there back's to the wall
Not gonna fight till the end and they're taking it all.
They've lost the touch, they've lost the power,
when all hell's breaking loose, They'll be several miles away from the eye of the storm
"Might" have????
"Might" is the wrong word lol
Ye don't say.
*_Dying alone._*
That's considered a "happy memory" on this movie.
I wish Disney didn't ruin everything
Denied. Now, what do we do? Don't support them.
@@11Megane23 and then what wait for the next business to slowly do what they did
@@crowmaster9652 Depends on you. All this 💩 is only on the western hemisphere. What do you want to do? Realistically, people on YT would do nothing. Which is why simply letting your money talk instead is realistic. But what do I know? Not like Budlight is regretting anything 🤣
@@11Megane23 look at budlight people stopped them before they turned into disney
More of that please
@@11Megane23 I disagree not everything from the Western hemisphere is bad
When Wendy was seen floating, I really REALLY wanted one of the pirates to just pull out a gun and shoot her before saying a witty "PARRY THIS YOU FUCKING CASUAL!" (I know Pirates don't know how to say fucking and shit like that, but it would be so funny).
No, she deserved to have a whole firing squad shoot her.
Neverland being a dull lifeless island in the middle of the ocean has the same energy as the Whole New World scene in the Aladdin remake, where they went like 5 miles outside the kingdom.
Comically "you saved part of the day" is something the actual Peter Pan would say to preserve his ego.
They got the characters wrong! Wendy should be a female Peter and Peter should be a male Wendy. LOL
It’s so refreshing hearing a woman call out this horrendous BS. Thank you.
I’m sure she would be happy to know that they are actually making a new Peter Pan horror movie with the Winnie the Pooh blood and honey team attached starring Ice-T and Ava Max attached to star in it.
@@washed1640now this is a Peter Pan film I want to see. Peter Pan as a murderous psychopath is gonna be a joy
It genuinely hurt me watching it. Peter Pan & Wendy is one of my all time favourite stories. It had morals and lessons about growing up, motherhood, mortality, jealousy and obsession. This took a massive s**t all over the values that were laid out by J M Barrie, values that STILL hold up today. Such a shame!
What disney just doesnt understand is that 'strong' female characters do NOT mean in the Physicality department. Its STRONG as in likable, relatable, comfortable in her femininity, one that is smart but not overpoweringly smart to the point that she becomes smug. She learns from her mistakes. Shes intelligent. She doesnt try to fix her boyfriend. She has an opinion, but doesnt live by it. She doesnt boast about her powers if she has them. She carries out tasks with grace, but not always perfectly. And she herself is not PERFECT.
fuckin-a mate
Ellen Ripley in a nutshell
I wish Disney and Holywood could take lessons from this.
Exactly! There are many types of strong female characters. There are smart ones who are into science, tomboy ones who love playing sports, feminine ones who love pretty dresses and wearing makeup, kind motherly figures who bears the emotional weight of her family, and many others. But if people want to write a strong female character write a strong character who happens to be female and don’t make it so that every man around her is dumb to make her seem smarter.
Someone mentioned Mulan. The version of the character in the original animated movie is *way* "stronger" to me than the one in the live remake. The 1998 version was more relatable to me becuase she's caring, smart, and resourceful than the perfect Mulan of the live remake. And I say that as a man. Being a man doesn't automatically make a person awesome and brave despite what Holloywood seems to think. 1998 Mulan is much more like how a natural person of any gender acts. Dudes aren't all born with the ability to kick ass right out of the womb. I'm sure none of Mulan's afellow soldiers were happier to be there than she was because war and combat are scary. Men may not _show_ that because they know what they have to do and what's expected of them. That doesn't mean they're happy to be there.
I have a son. I would never show him this film, or any of Disney's recent oeuvre. I want him to see films with good characters, where boys aren't treated like garbage. This Girl Boss BS that's taken over Hollywood can't die fast enough.
Wait, she really said “Now this magic belongs to no boy” ??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 like, wtf 🤣🤣
Old Disney is Dead
''If you have a *censored*, you're not allowed to be saved by someone who has a latch''
Never laughed so hard in my life, that movie just killed Alteori
Genuinely feel better about my frustration after hearing someone even more pissed off say it out loud
That was genuinely entertaining to hear, like... seriously, i feel like my oversatured color settings would be lethal to that movie editor
Thank you for being the best Alteori, at least you're not afraid to be brutal, loving that~~
Always try to keep it 💯
@@Alteori Got some issues with you putting in black panther and saying it was lifeless like I seriously got some issues with that
“This is not a casting couch. Tuck the lips back in”. That one burn alone is better than any disney remake. And it’s actually funny! I’ll be using that from now on to describe bad facial acting.
As a side note, Tinkerbell is super funny in the original cause of all the attempted murder. Attempted murder isn’t funny obviously, but the way Tinkerbell tries to drown Wendy at one point is super memorable
What made tiger lilly so respectable in the films was the fact that she didn't have to be some warrior to be a bad ass, in fact on the original film she would literally prefer to slowly drown then tell hook anything, and thats what made her so cool, her strength, her will and her loyalty
I find it strange that Disney has had such a strong track record of being strict as FUCK about the quality of their movies to being this clueless about what people want. Heads would be rolling if Walt was still alive.
Peter Pan in the Original Film: Don't you understand, Tink? You mean more to me than anything in this whole world!
This “improved” version is great!
YES THAT PART! Finally someone pointed out the scene where Peter was appreciating tinkerbell. Sucks that modern disney missed out on that one. Did they actually watch the original film?
@@nukita718 They didn't even watch the superior live-action version from 2003 by Universal, where Peter literally cries for Tinker Bell to come back to life after she sacrificed herself by drinking his medicine which was poisoned by Hook.
To quote the original 1953 movie, "All this has happened before, and it will all happen again."
Personally I feel like this isn't going to stop unless their live action movies continously lose money.
If The Little Mermaid makes a decent profit at the box office, we can expect more of these because I truly believe Disney is making these movies based on an algorithm that shows them how to make money with the least amount of effort.
I mean most of their live action remakes havent been making bank
@@TimeMasterOG they haven’t been losing bank tho
@@brutuslugo3969 on some of their latest releases they havent made much money over what they spent making it - and the what they spent making it doesnt even cover the budgeting for marketing material
@@TimeMasterOG examples?
This one was really painful for me. The whole concept of Peter Pan, in the original texts and plays (and going back to James Barrie's own history of losing an older brother as a child and his subsequent friendship with the Llewelyn-Davis family) is that Peter is an archetypal symbol of chaotic childhood. He represents Eternal Youth and freedom, and Hook (who is specifically noted as being a former Eton schoolmaster) is the other side of the coin, he represents all the disagreeable parts about being a grownup, and life on Neverland is a neverending golden afternoon of playing make believe. Changing Hook's character to what it is in this remake completely undermines the spirit of the original stories.
I'm not against different or darker adaptations at all, although they seem to work best as short stories (like "The Taking of Mr. Bill" by Graham Masterson) or novels (like "Kensington Gardens" by Rodrigo Fresan), but having that youth vs adult aspect is so important. That's why "Hook" works so well, Spielberg perfectly captured the meaning of Peter Pan and you can feel his love for the original stories radiating off the screen. Disney has no love anymore, they don't have joy or whimsy or wonder. *They* are the real pirates here.
It's not just this one either both Mulan and Pinnochio did the same thing to the point it's hard to believe they are really so unaware of the original message and aren't doing it deliberately.
" That's why "Hook" works so well," by having Peter Pan grow up?
That goes against the entire point of the character.
And I like the idea of Hook being a former Lost Boy and friend of Peter, this film just wasted it.
@prufan did you not read what I wrote? Peter and Hook are more archetypes than actual people, Barrie wrote and rewrote these stories and plays multiple times so there isn't any one source to draw from, so they are truly more representative of their traits than anything else. It literally boils down to Youth vs Age. "Hook" does a far, *far* better job of telling that story than this turd of a remake, with Peter relearning what fun is because it makes him a better person. And Barrie almost wrote a sequel play that may have been fairly similar, based on surviving notes he left, which Spielberg clearly knew about, since he tried for over a decade to make a straight remake, even having the mom in E.T read it to Gertie.
They also missed the importance of having Hook and Mr. Darling played by the same actor. The point is that Hook is meant to be Wendy's mental projection of everything she fears about adulthood, which she associates with her father because of how strict and demanding he is. Peter and Hook's conflict is basically a battle between Wendy's nostalgia and fears. The conflict finds a middle ground when Wendy realizes the true meaning of adulthood. She leaves Neverland, and therefore her childhood, and conquers her fears, symbolized by Hook's death and Wendy's reconciliation with her father.
This dumpster of a movie is miles behind 'Hook' in how they handled the captain. Hoffman's character is a menacing and dangerous villain without the whiny backstories.. but you can really feel for him, and he even comes across as tragic in some bits. Jude Law's Hook is bland, boring, and hasn't had a bath in months.
The shot where they see the island for the first time looks like what Napoleon must have seen (and felt) when he finally arrived at St.Helena. It looks like a prison island out somewhere at the other end of the world. It looks like a remote island where the only one who wants to go there is a field biologist, to put up a tent and watch some endangered species of albatross breed.
Gurl was just ruthless on roasting Wendy. I loved it 😂❤
18:35 WTF!!!??? They made Peter unable to communicate with Tinkerbell?! I'm sorry but, WHAT?
20:22 Again, WTF? They got rid of the mermaids? This place is looking less and less magical by the minute.
30:47 How the flying pixie dust fart are they understanding her?
32:40 At least in 2003 version Michael managed to bring back a crap ton of treasure, so it made sense that they'd be able to financially support the lost boys. Here... guess the kids are gonna go out on the streets or be put to work. Great job Disney!
Wendy’s sword fight with her siblings in the new Disney movie is both curious and disturbing. In fact, it tells how the myopic ideological vision of the movie’s writers conceives of her. Supposedly a typical Victorian pre-teen (12-13), who is middle class but just barely so according to J. M. Barrie’s literary description, she enters into a play fight with her younger siblings in the new movie. Desiring to win against her brother, she pursues the contest with a ferocious seriousness. With an energetic stroke, she knocks the wooden sword from her brother’s hand, sending it flying into a mirror and breaking the glass. Hearing the commotion, her parents come into the room. When confronted by her father, Wendy’s brother is truthful. But what does Wendy do? To escape personal blame for her behavior, she accuses her siblings of breaking the mirror. After her father leaves, her brother calls her out for the lie. Unperturbed by her brother’s challenge and her own deceitful behavior, Wendy coolly replies, “You’re a pirate, aren’t you? It’s every man for himself.”
So, what does that tell us? Wendy is both cruel and duplicitous, resembling much more J. M. Barrie’s literary description of her self-absorbed and less-than-honest father, George, the patriarch of the Darling family. Barrie’s description of him makes him more like the despised image certain feminists entertain of manhood. For example, had it not been for the cajoling of Mary Darling, none of the children would have been born. So Wendy comes by her lack of desire for children quite naturally through her father. He objected to children because they were too expensive; Wendy simply thinks that they are too much of a bother. Consequently, Wendy’s longsuffering mother seems to be more mature than both her husband and her eldest daughter. So it would appear that the movie has given to Wendy her father’s selfish and blustery personality that we find in Barrie’s book. And like her father, Wendy has no moral compunction about accusing others in order to avoid personal blame, something the compassionate Mary Darling would never dream of doing. Moreover, Wendy justifies taking advantage of her brother by saying, “It’s every man for himself.” And note, she does not say, “It’s everyone for himself or herself.” So, there are two things here: first, Wendy instinctively identifies as a man; second, moral rules don’t apply to her.
How does her story arc progress? In Neverland, she learns how to be even more of a girl boss. We don’t see the feminine strength of her mother. What we see is masculine bluster. She bitch slaps Peter for being reckless, something we could imagine her father doing. With Tiger Lilly, she takes command of the Lost Boys and Girls as we might imagine a military commander doing in England’s colonial service. As a preteen, she fights off adult pirates who are more experienced with swords and physical combat but lack her Victorian entitlement. She saves Peter Pan, as does Tiger Lilly, because Peter Pan is weak and incompetent and cannot save himself. Then she brings the Lost Boys and Girls home to Victorian England, where those unprepared children will very likely face a dismal future in the orphanages and workhouses of that period, for her parents certainly lacked the resources to care for them. By taking them away from the magical Neverland, in no way did she do these children a favor. So, Wendy begins her arc as a liar and ends her ark condemning children to live in those places, as we learn in A Christmas Carol, that Scrooge supported with his taxes. But unlike Dicken’s character who is transformed by the events of the story, Wendy learns nothing at the movie’s end. Presumably, she simply embarks upon her “happy” life as an author, traveler, and adventurer-devoid of a husband and children--to achieve her goal: to die of old age, alone and forgotten. What an inspiring message to offer girls and young women.
The problem with your argument is that the term “Pirate” isn’t a male only term… it literal translates to “someone who robs someone else, at sea.”
I get the gender politics, but maybe understand terms before letting your ire run away from you?
@@missmarie_8790 “sandwich maker” doesn’t define what gender has the role, but everyone knows who makes them. 🤷🏻♂️👍🏻
@@tezzabhoy1888 sounds like you’re single as fuck with that kind of thinking
@@missmarie_8790 Really? That simply makes no sense. None of the pirates in the original book or in the Disney animation were female. Did you not notice that? In fact, none of the pirates in Peter Pan and Wendy are female, unlike the new makeup of the lost boys, so apparently "boys" no longer refers to young males.
What you point out as a problem is not an objection at all. You suggest a contradiction based on how the word "pirate" is used--that its reference is not restricted simply to men. Are you serious? That has nothing to do with my argument. Read what I wrote again. I refer to the word "pirate" as an indication of character, not sex. Wendy is a cutthroat, even to her siblings. That is where her character arc begins. Then she is made the protagonist of the movie, replacing Peter Pan, whom she both bitch slaps and rescues. The actual audience response to this movie signifies disgust with how Disney has "reimagined" this classic story for "modern audiences." Of course, you may be part of that "modern audience," but you are in the minority.
But even if we took your objection seriously, didn't your literature teachers ever explain to you about literary context and literary allusion? How did J. M. Barrie use the word? But even if we speak about actual history, the vast majority of pirates historically were male. Female pirates did exist, but they were rare and often disguised themselves as men. Openly female pirates were rare indeed. That is history, so, what is your point? This Disney reworking of the story makes Wendy the protagonist, and this destroys the moral, as well as the universality, of the original story. And like Disney movies recently, the female protagonist cannot appear to be strong without humiliating other male characters.
My point is that Wendy uses the term "pirate" to say to her brother, "You're a pirate, aren't you? It's every man for himself." That establishes Wendy's character as a lying, selfish, unlikable bitch. They attempt to make her more heroic, but Wendy Darling remains to the end an unlikeable bitch. Whether the word "pirate" may refer to a male or a female is irrelevant to the point. So perhaps you should understand an argument before you comment, my dear.
@@davidrichardson1636 or maybe you should articulate your point better? Because I did not get any of that from your comment.
The only good live action Peter Pan movie was Steven Spielberg's HOOK.
Just a heads-up, Alteori: My mom got into a car accident yesterday afternoon while she was coming home from work, rear ended by a distracted driver. She's all right, she's doing fine, but her car is totaled and the other driver might get sued for reckless driving. She's taking time off from work till Thursday.
Omg I am so glad your mom is ok. My daddy had the same thing happened to my dad and he's still suffering from back pain today. MAKE sure you tell your mom to stay on top of physical therapy and sue that asshole to cover all the medical bills and recover and therapy. Also, if she needs those steroid shots in her back, they are expensive so calculate those into it as well.
Ok thats gonna be a big no from me. Peter Pan 2003 is a much better movie *and* adaptation of the original Peter Pan Source material.
I assume you watched it, unless you haven't, you really should.
@@kamixakadio2441 you're right. It's more based on the play of Peter Pan than hook was.
@@kamixakadio2441Well to be fair Hook is more like an unofficial sequel to the Peter Pan story.
I LOVE Hook. *THAT* movie changed my life forever. It made me want to be a father, because it was like the film was speaking to me.
When the 2003 movie came out it was my favorite, I was literally IN LOVE with Peter lol. I think it told the story perfectly, the visuals are beautiful, and the soundtrack is so magical I still listen to it. I’m so glad to share it with my daughters now! Literally nothing about this sludge can compare 🙄
watched this movie with my mother as we were both fans of the 1950's animated film. I had said to my mom "the opening shots of the island that the castaways live at on Survivor is more exciting than the opening shot of Neverland is".
Thank to you for telling me about 2003 version awhile ago. I watched it yesterday, only version of Peter Pan I have seen. It was satisfying! I appreciated every frame and smiled thru out the movie, cried twice when Wendy told Peter she wants to go back and he said “as you wish” begrudgingly and flew off, and when the mother didn’t realize the kids came back! 😂
It is by far the best for me but I haven't seen Hook
Thanks for flagging up the 2003 movie! Most people just go to the Disney animation, but I think your choice is actually more relevant. And I enjoy any time it gets some love, it's utterly delightful :)
probably because people forgot it existed because it's not very good either.
@@echs457 wrong, it's much more accurate to the source material.
2003 version was very good, excellent Peter and Tinkerbell depiction.
@@echs457 well, that's me told. I will correct my wrongthink
@@timkinss I have absolutely zero fucking clue what you're on about. I'm going to wager that you haven't even read 1984.
@@prufan My reply seems to be missing (unless youtube is being weird)
but accurate does not equal good. We have most of the MCU to serve as our example of that.
Really? They made a huge deal about making Tinkerbell black, and how “progressive” they were “adapting the classic for modern audiences” and getting rid of stereotypes, but they gave her NOTHING to do in the film? Wow. So they yet again race swapped a character for no reason other than to be “progressive”. Gee, who could have seen that one coming 🤣.
Disney went from creating magic to consuming magic.
@@kevinw374 well a lot of universal animators are former pixar/disney alums.
That magic must be meth
@@rezeno5665 "Jesse, we need to cook"
@@HankJWimbleton-v1m more like "We need to S U C C."
@@kevinw374
At least Andor and The Owl House had a little…
Fun fact: The director of this movie, who also directed Pete's Dragon, considers this his magnum opus.
That's a pity, that Pete's Dragon remake was pretty decent.
Directors these days are pretty self-absorbed. I bet he calls everything his magnum opus after visiting the toilet.
Funny considering Pete’s Dragons probably the only good thing he’s done Green Knight was awful
@PaleRider 113 the guy also made King Arthurs nephew (main character in that movie) an Indian, although i do like that actor. But this director oddly likes making these English characters Indian for some reason.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 yeah I thought it was stupid Morgan was brown but Arthur was white lol
27:14 "She looks like she's having a stroke in this still. And that's what my face looked like the whole time I watched this movie. I played it at 2x the speed and it still would not end!" Lmao thats hilarious
Could you imagine how disappointed Walt Disney would be in the current state of Disney? I just watched a documentary about his history and that dude was so gifted at collaboration, creating amazing creation's, finding the right people for the right things. They were TRULY DIVERSE, genuinely talented like we rarely see. Dedicated and Passionate towards creating imagination bending works of art and they Really did understand all the aspects and processes that mattered. For what it took to create those works of art. *(I just saw that Ukraine just started creating 2d animation for their military videos and it really reminded me of what I saw Walt do during WW2)
I love seeing cartoon styled animated video's being used again. Just how Walt Disney did (out of his own pocket) he believed it was the least he could do for his country and his countrymen who were giving so much to the war to protect our nation and the greater good in the world. (If you think about it. Walt Disney did a lot for pushing advancements in science/creativity. He made understandable information that taught so many people of all ages, and from all sorts of different walks of life, to inform on very important matters and subjects of the time. Things that might seem out of place or difficult now, were completely relative to the current situations everyone was dealing with at that point in time. (The passion Walt gained for science and technology is what sparked his passion for Epcot and learning how to build all these cutting edge devices, city planning concepts, animatronics puppets of Abe Lincoln or the talking/signing birds in the tiki lounge. Plus all the other puppets on all the other interactions around his theme park. I just watched a documentary covering the career of Walt Disney and he really was a amazingly uniquely talented person. Where he himself had a insane drive towards innovation and new ideas BUT what I think his best trait was: That Walt was SO GOOD at interacting with everyone around him and he just had this amazing ability to find the PERFECT person for different jobs, things, roles. To really bring out the best in OTHER people around him. I truly believe that's one of the most important traits in a great leader. If anyone is in a group of people who are set on creating anything. (It's rare when someone comes across with the unique style and approach like Walt Disney had and really all it takes is to watch the coverage documentary that covers all of this uniquely awesome stuff that positively impacted SO MANY PEOPLE in so many ways and places. It didn't matter who you were, the chance that something from the Walt Disney era impacting you in a positive way is nearly 100% a possibility. There really was some of the best attributes of humanity, teamwork, and motivated passionate creativity that occured thru this group of Walt Disney era team members and we all could learn something from them. In some way or another.)
This a long essay
But it's worth something
Walt disney was amazing and the king of animation
You do realize, in 2023, that you can hit the 'Enter' key at the end of a sentence to make a new paragraph.
No one's reading your wall of text, and most of the points I could wade through are thoroughly misguided or just plain incorrect.
Walt Disney was a narcissitic, racist bully who forced his entire animation department to go on strike because he refused to pay them fairly or give them credit they were due. He also refused to hire women as animators, even when they volunteered to work for free for the experience. Yep, real stand-up guy that Walt.
And Disneyland was a rip-off of Beverly Park and Tivoli Gardens. Walt never had an original idea in his entire existence. Hell, even his beloved Disneyland train was ripped off from the large model train in one of his employee's backyard.
@@ALNizhoni Yeah sorry.
It's too easy to write like that on my cellphone when I get zoned in on a thought.
But
79 people have seemed to put up with my bad paragraph spacing.
My apologies.
Maybe they didn't make Tinkerbell glow because they were worried they would be accused of whitewashing.
Lightwashing 😂
You might be on to something. Their excuse for not having her glow was "Where does the glow come from? Her wings?" Uh, yes, it does, cuz she's, IDK, a MAGICAL FAIRY!!!!! Why can't a magical fairy glow in a movie that already has flying children and mermaid-octopus things? Pretty sure they just didn't want Tinkerbell to look white due to the glowing.
@@cintronproductions9430 Fairy Dust is glowing! Disney forgot their magic.
I find it hilarious that the fantastic reveal for Neverland in Peter Pan and Wendy is literally a looming, foreboding island foreshadowing its absence of beauty, wonder or exuberance. It honestly makes the Elephant Graveyard look like Disney Land in comparison.
I think the only time (that I can recall off the top of my head) where the whole 'I am not a MAN' line actually worked and didn't feel hamfisted was the LOTR 'I am no man' AHHHH! *kills the Witch King* That felt earned.
That's because that moment was built up AND that line was said in direct response to the Witch-King's claim that no man could kill him.