@DayzMennis "we had 240hz on crt at 1080p years ago"? Hell no we didn't. 1080p CRTs were damn expensive and they didn't go nearly that high in refresh rate. If you had very deep pockets maybe you had a monitor that could reach 1080p or even 2048x1536 and 120 Hz, but the average gamer settled on 1600x1200 and 75 Hz if they had a decent 19". My last CRT was an entry level 17" and I settled on 1024x768 at 85 Hz; I could go as high as 1280x1024, but 60 Hz on a CRT was painful to watch because of the flicker.
@@MihokoriTogozo there's a house tour thing of a bunch of them including james where they all say they hardly touch their computers at home let alone game
@@31Schweinsteiger7 but that doesn't make sense to me, I mean yeah they have an epic gaming lounge at the office but still you have your family at home and you may find yourself in a need to use it.
Shit a few weeks ago I bought a fucking 1440p at 144hz for 499.99 and then I looking at the fucking price for this one. I’m about half tempted to take this back
@@TheXextreem got a 2k60hz 32" prosumer monitor 4 yrs ago, 4k still too high with the fps to get currently. realized i want all the fps *looksat4krealHDR27"-32"monitorprices* *sighs*
You know Minecraft is back for real when LTT gets sponsorship from a Minecraft server hosting company. Edit: Most popular TH-cam comment ever is about Minecraft. Cool.
Yeah, I was disappointed. I came into this video hoping to find out if I should jump on this instead of the LG 27GL850, and came out of it with next to no closer to a decision than before I watched the video.
You should have mentioned the double strobbing pattern that happens when you dip below around 100 fps. In that case, the display starts to flash the *same* frame multiple times which causes double vision while your eyes are moving. This actually cannot be avoided because the pulse width must be decided at the *start* of the frame and if the gaming system experiences frame drop it will be known only at the time the next frame should come. Unless the monitor can see into the future, there's no way to solve this perfectly. Basically, the physics force that you can select up to 3 of these: 1. Variable frame rate. 2. No double vision. 3. No motion blur (that is, black frame insertion is enabled). 4. No one frame input latency. ELMB-Sync is selecting 1, 3 and 4. Most gaming monitors select 1, 2 and 4. And VG27AQ can be changed to select 1, 2 and 4 by disabling ELMB-SYNC. TV sets that support black frame insertion may select 1, 2 and 3 (accept 1 frame lag to know how long a single frame will be displayed) or 2, 3 and 4 (black frame insertion without variable frame support, for example Samsung MU6100 series.). In reality, most TV sets actually select 2 and 4 because that's the easiest to implement.
Not just epilepsy, Migraines as well. In fact I'm worried that what that monitor does will actually induce migraines in people who are susceptible to them. I know with my current monitor when you turn down the brightness it doesn't actually make it darker, just does what this monitor does and make it display more black for periods of time, which my brain can somehow see which gives me seriously bad migraines. So I'd like to see some form of test if that would be the case with this one as well.
Ok. So I found the 'Not target ' audience . I'm going to guess someone else will comment about needing it with nurf wrapped edges , and another needing it in braille .
27GL850 10 bits panel depth, 30bit colors, while Asus 8bit, 24bit, also LG got real better HDR, Asus better for refresh rate at 155, but LG at 144, not big difference tho.
I was waiting to hear what your experience was, and if the strobing+VRR looks great in person. You guys just stated the facts without saying if it's good.
Ive had experience with backlight strobing for reduced motion blur on 2 different monitors and its visually not noticeable. It's only slightly darker. But, it does cause eye strain over time. For me personally the strain kicks in at about 1 hour in for fps gaming.
I originally thought the same thing, but upon further reflection and Ignoring the marketing part of the use gaming", Budget "Gaming monitor", is not Budget "monitor". Similarly budget "gaming" video cards are quite a bit more expensive than budget video cards
check the other monitor prices 700 or even 1300$, yes 450 is budget in that market (as someone who bought and returned several of them including a 1300$ one I can tell you one thing prices does not reflect on picture quality or motion blur reduction at all ! actually the most expensive have HUGE flaws like the absolute shit monitor Linus has and who's shown in this video the HDR one with a giant whiteish bulb following your mouse, awful even for free I wouldn't use it)
Hi. So I just wanted to say a quick thank you; because after gaining knowledge from watching your videos, today I was able to successfully finish building, and set up, my first gaming PC (and must I say, it looks bloody sexeh). Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in to your videos as I could not have done this without them. Keep up the amazing work :)
Considering they just went to their factory I’m not surprised that they gave them products to review, plus I didn’t watch one of them cause the cool thing is u don’t have to if u don’t want to
@@nibberola1713 must be some Chinese knock off cheap thing with poor gtg and response times as well as bad color 8 bit panel as well and then probably not bright either. From what I have seen any decent panel is 500+$ more currently.
This is not budget, $150-250 is budget. This is on the higher-end. Those insane 240hz ones are enthusiast. And after that is the "Professional" tier ones.
I thought I was more informed than most about lcd monitors, but man learned tons watching this and cleared up stuff I wasn't sure about, thank you very much!
Oh man that's tempting. Several years ago you could do this with 3D compatible displays exclusively on Nvidia using a custom resolution, it was so nice.
06:28 Lol. Somebody should explain to him that "Netflix and chill" has nothing to do with watching movies. "Hey baby, wanna come over and watch Netflix and chill?"
Strobing huh... screen flicker is really nasty after 5 hours of gaming. Rather never use that, but it does look way better and clean. My eyes are too sensitive sadly for that.
Wow. I still cant believe how quickly technology is moving forward. It's almost hard to keep up. Another great video from the LMG. Always has and will always will be my go to tech channel
High refresh really helps. I recently bought an AW2515HF 240hz monitor for my xbox one and you can instantly see how much smoother and responsive the games feel!
Ive had experience with backlight strobing for reduced motion blur on 2 different monitors and its visually not noticeable. It's only slightly darker. But, it does cause eye strain over time. For me personally the strain kicks in at about 1 hour in for fps gaming.
maybe I wasn't clear in my text wall but below 100fps you get eye strain so to take advantage of this you need a high-end pc in the 1st place like VR, still if oled gave you eye strain I would still watch movies on it because it's the ultimate picture quality experience, BFI is the same it brings unbeatable picture quality but okay some people buy their tvs and monitors according to how much watts they use rather than picture quality so you do what you like in the end (still wrong tough)
for a 1440p 144hz ips high response time decent colors etc actually that is cheap very cheap. People were surprised to see razer or gigabyte start at 700$ and then for gigabyte its 600 or less. LG is 500 for an amazing panel and then this thing is 430$ for similar and amazing. That is very much surprising when most of these panels are around that 700-1300$ mark or more depending.
Back in 2013 when I built my last system I thought to switch to 4k with my next build. Now in 2019 it seems further away than ever. A perfect monitor has IPS, 4k, 144hz, low response time, adaptive sync, back light strobing, full hdr (=high nits for brightness), proper illumination zones AND costs about 500 Bucks. Until that is available (and affordable) I will stick to my high end 1080p 144hz monitor. No reason to upgrade, especially since graphics cards can't run games at 4k 144 anyhow.
Mainly when it's below the flicker threshold for the person using it, and it depends on the person using it as well as the technical implementation used. Back in the day most people had 75-90 Hz CRTs (yes yes there were faster ones, but MOST people), and TVs were 50 or 60 Hz depending on your region, and these complaints were indeed more common, especially when using TVs as monitors/having them too close (it tends to be worse when the monitor covers more of your field of view, so watching at a flickering TV from many meters away isn't as bad as having your nose against it). But then again incandescent lamps also flicker at 50 or 60 Hz (mains power frequency), and fluorescent lamps can flicker at a variety of frequencies depending on their design and condition of the ballast, and most people don't notice that when the lamps are functioning as intended (a failing fluorescent light is very noticeable tho). Movies were traditionally shown by projecting the film to a big screen at around 24 frames per second (i.e. 24 Hz flicker frequency), though later double shuttering started to become used, increasing the flickering rate (movie still shown at 24 frames per second, but each frame shown twice for a flicker frequency of 48 hz). AFAIK movies get away with this partly because of the brightness, the higher the brightness, the faster the rate needs to be to prevent noticeable flickering. From what I can find your average movie theater might reach 50 nits, and IMAX might be 100 nits, vs. any decent monitor hitting 300 nits at peak brightness, best HDR ones hitting 1000 nits. So very much down to the technique used. From my personal experience (I'm fairly sensitive to these effects) the PWM flicker that happens at low brightness levels on some monitors, which has recently been the biggest cause of these issues, is worse than the CRT flicker back in the day was at 60 Hz for me (for reference 75 Hz was better but still a bit of an issue after a while for me, 90 Hz was pretty much fully OK). Worth noting is that the flicker on those is worse due to technical reasons, even if the display is dim, which should make flickering easier to avoid. On some modern TVs the black frame insertion modes are completely unusable flickery messes, but on others they're totally fine. The low persistence (i.e. flickering) behavior of the OLED screens on the Oculus Rift at 90 Hz is totally fine for me. Movie theaters are fine for me for the most part. So this is not a simple question of "backlight strobing causes headaches and tiredness" full stop, it's a complex bundle of things, where different technologies, implementations and personal sensitivities factor into the whole. A good implementation of the technology used at a reasonable brightness level, and the vast majority of people should do just fine, thoguh some are really sensitive to these issues and might never be able to use them. On the topic of brightness btw, almost all display calibration programs recommend 120 nits as a standard peak brightness to calibrate to, I prefer 90-100 nits for my lighting conditions. There's almost never a reason to use 300 nits or more unless you're using HDR, where the point is that the AVERAGE brightness is still fairly low, just that the brightest peaks can hit high numbers.
indeed. For a while my family didn't believe when I said that "while I can't see the flicker, I do end up with a nasty headache after 15mn" --- so they blindtested me; rather put me in front of screens I didn't know were CC or PWM... I found the PWM ones insufferable... And I had absolutely no problem with the CC ones...so to me, this is a big step backwards. Not to mention, they advertise this as groundbreaking but it is merely a timing tweak on their PWM...
@@jubuttib a good explanation; also there is a difference depending on the backlight type: LED backlights are essentially squarewaves on/off/on/off constantly (this is with the common PWM driver, constant current drivers adjust the voltage to dim the LED without flickering, which if you ask me makes more sense if you are not drastically power limited), old fluo backlights for LCDs were more of a sine wave (much like the incandescent bulbs) so it was less "brutal", I found that purely OLED displays, tend to be less objectionable (at least the ones I've seen on mobiles) because of their slow refresh rate and because they are both the luminance and chroma source; so the "blur" in mobile OLED screens actually acts to smooth things out...
Yes. Almost nobody here actually knows about Pulse-Width Modulation or how backlights work; or the fact that all high quality monitors completely stopped using PWM years ago and have absolutely no flickering at all at any brightness. Direct Current is more expensive to manufacture than PWM; that's the only con, and only corporations care about that. Almost all these replies are confusing backlight modulation with refresh rate of the active matrix on top of the backlight. Linus' employees themselves don't know much about technology either and just google things to a very basic understanding to make production deadlines. Do not buy this monitor or any other that still strobes your eyes hundreds of times a second. It is not 2004 anymore.
I would liked a comparison between the LG 27GL850 and this one. I've already preordered the LG for a very good price and now consider waiting for the Asus.
this just goes to show that CRT is still king of all displays. no need for any sort of freesync or gsync. no motion blur. just a lot of eye damage and power consumption and space hogging. really fast refresh rate crt's are really rare too.
Great video! It was very informative, yet a little weird for James to be so serious. I Love Linus Tech Tips and subscribe to all the channels, but what keeps me coming back is the jokes, kidding around and general lightheartedness that goes with the show.
Does that really matter tho? I feel like people are making FPS and HZ values more than they are. It's more bound to how the game handles motion, improving refresh rates is just a brute force way of making thing better. &A fellow boi, that can easily switch between 120, 60 and 60(w/ 30FPS) easily.
Would rather them be pimped out by brands, a la the Dyson vacuum videos? Everyone used to joke about Nvidia being his overlord but if they don't push their merch that would eventually become reality.
@@pilotreg it sounds great on paper but in practice pretty disappointing. out of the box it wont look like any other monitor, let alone setting one up next to it for dual monitors TLDR. flawed with bad options with questionable support The HDR is not real HDR(I have seen far better fake HDR too), try turning on HDR in windows or a majority of games it wont look right. HDR aside monitor is very dim in the sRBG mode and unusablely dim with the low motion blur setting(many settings and presets disable the brightness slider, far larger hit to brightness than you would expect). all other visual presets are garbage extremely over saturated or discoloured colours blending and washing out. no "normal" mode preset or a way to create one. many settings get disabled whatever preset you choose(also wtf is the red and gray scale "moba mode" ?. The factory reset default setting is 60hz "racing"?? with the majority of the settings disabled until you change to fps, scenery or cinima modes, also no HDR in cinima mode which gives you the best contrast) I was primarily interested in it for the 165hz/gsync which works fine but mine will go completely black (emits no light, power LED stays on) for 3-4 seconds randomly, I can be playing a game or watching a video and the screen just conks out for a few once or twice a day. I have tried resetting all the settings and messing around with refresh rates, resultions and presets but nothing stops it from going black, as well as a couple different cables I am currently using the supplied DP cable and it happened while writing this. Asus support has not been terribly helpful, my only option is to mail it away for a repair (I feel they should really replace a two week old monitor acting up) and they will charge me if they are unable to reproduce my issues... which has me not feeling too great. When I informed them I never received the RMA shipping label they said they would escalate it to the appropriate department, I quote: "The escalate would take 24-48 business hours." six days later at time of writing and nothing yet. it just really feels like a mess back to the feature set, the gimmick "gamePlus" options are all useless and not customizable, timers are fixed length, crosshair is fixed position, FPS counter is ugly and MASSIVE, the sniper practice mode is admitidly kinda neat if you find a game that works with it. I went from feeling like I got a fair deal on it to feeling pretty badly burned at this time, also at this price point a cheesy two port USB hub would have been a nice touch. I am not one to have strong brand alegances but this has really changed my opinion on Asus.
"budget" This thing is $657 in my country, Asus really need to rethink what budget means. No one in their right mind would pick this one when an LG27GL850 is $150 less.
Good comment and thanks for pointing that out to the uninformed. This is how people change the meaning of words in history and usually make them negative. People did the same thing with the word racism and racist which mean the classifying of people by their race and NOT what we are led to believe mean as seeing one race as inferior to another. Yet society will adopt these twisted meanings and never be the wiser. It’s a shame people abuse words to fit their agenda.
please share your impression and if you have the 2 pixel errors and the top left. There is a set of monitors which has 2 pixels at the top left adapting the color of the bottom right corner.
Can we get a VG27BQ review? I just got one and i'm loving it. I feel like the the AQ is trying to be a TN and the BQ is trying to be an IPS. The Color Reproduction on the BQ seems good. I want to see tests. Please and Thank You
I was surprised when I first heard of G-Sync Pulsar, and now I’m even more surprised that ASUS pulled off the same concept 4 years prior. Why did it take Nvidia’s engineers so long to make their own version of ELMB? Why didn’t ELMB take off as the perfect compromise between BFI and VRR?
The pyramid with that monitor at the bottom had me convinced... Are you saying an entry level gaming monitor DOES not cost like an entry level gaming PC?
I hope TH-cam analytics shows that I chose to press the like button at "HDRn't" because this video was good but not great until that moment. Now it's a great video.
How is this a "review"? You spent most of the video explaining ELMB. Compare this to a Hardware Unboxed monitor review, and it looks more like a piece of advertising.
Bought, fine Monitor. One thing i did nopt notice in this video(but it seems to be present there): you have a "noticable" black border between what is used for displaying content and the actual monitor frame. Could not get it reduced. looking closer on this video, it seems to be present there, too.
Everyone praised and advertised LCD panels over CRT because they hurt your eyes less because they did not flicker. They couldnt just leave your eyes you know relatively unhurt so they found a way to introduce flicker into the screen for maximum eye hurtage. Love it. Buy now beat the rush.
@@johiahdoesstuff1614 yeah but its 144 hz with a 150hz overclock and it makes a big difference im currently using a 240hz moniter and its way better than my old 90hz moniter
@@N7ShepardSR I guarantee that unless you are very very special, the difference between 240 and 120 will be practically unnoticeable. Anything more than 120 is basically unnecessary.
Alot of reviews complain that the Brightness goes down when you turn EMBL on, but TBH it is not a problem the screen is bright enough as it is, I turned my brightness down to 15. Black should be black not grey and white backgrounds should not hurt your eyes.
4:29 Where is the JBD company video a half a year later?!! I've been following that company and their tech looks awesome! I'm super surprised you guys know about them!
im rocking a ps4 pro a series x a switch and my computer with a 2060 this asus 1080p the bigger brother 4k 60 hz and my girlfriend got the other 1080p 144hz and a series s a switch and her 1660laptop so what are you trying to get at ?
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Buys a high refresh rate, motion blur reduction monitor, plays a game with motion blur set to high. Perfection!
Stonks.
@DayzMennis Let's call it expensive refresh rate then!
@DayzMennis well it is high because its a lot higher than normal. crts render differently so its not the same and TVs lie about their refresh rate
@DayzMennis "we had 240hz on crt at 1080p years ago"? Hell no we didn't. 1080p CRTs were damn expensive and they didn't go nearly that high in refresh rate. If you had very deep pockets maybe you had a monitor that could reach 1080p or even 2048x1536 and 120 Hz, but the average gamer settled on 1600x1200 and 75 Hz if they had a decent 19". My last CRT was an entry level 17" and I settled on 1024x768 at 85 Hz; I could go as high as 1280x1024, but 60 Hz on a CRT was painful to watch because of the flicker.
Ah yes, enslaved photons.
that was a cool history lesson on refresh rate and motion blur but a review of the monitor wouldve been nice.
The "budget" monitor line up
£529
:c
@@coffee-vz1nr what the fuck
@@coffee-vz1nr what
@@coffee-vz1nr ???
Thats actually so cheap bruh!!!
@@coffee-vz1nr i have 500 dollars right know, Am i rich? come on...
Im not mad, but this seemed a little bit more like a showcase than a review, he diddnt really give any opinions other than his approval of price haha
there's 1 competent gamer at LTT and he desn't do videos, why do you want their in depth opinions on it for gaming?
He did say he considers buying it though in the quote - "this might just be my next monitor"
@@MihokoriTogozo there's a house tour thing of a bunch of them including james where they all say they hardly touch their computers at home let alone game
@@31Schweinsteiger7 but that doesn't make sense to me, I mean yeah they have an epic gaming lounge at the office but still you have your family at home and you may find yourself in a need to use it.
@@31Schweinsteiger7 that was a year ago.
this is barely a review of a monitor !!!!
H B ikr, they just were explaining other things other than the monitor
@@notjoey192 check out a5hun's review on this monitor and the newer ASUS VG279QM monitor. You'll find everything you're looking for there.
It as only a peek on monitor and not a proper review. There are better reviews around YT.
“The budget monitor line up”
“Opens amazon link”
“Sees price”
*Instantly dies of harm to wallet*
But... The monitor is actually kind of cheap compared to my X34, haha.
That is relatively cheap compared to similar monitors.
Mad Dog 12388 try being more subtle next time you troll that’s way to shreds Ive and no one will take you seriously
@@MadDogHatesWoke not everyone can have drug money you know.
Meh, still about half price of the more expensive monitors. And this screen is cheaper than my phone so it's not that bad.
Me: Buys high end 1440p 144Hz monitor for $550
LTT: Nice budget monitor you got there
Me: Cries in HP 22es
@@sirsneakybeaky i spend €600 for a 4k 30fps monitor. Back in 2016
Shit a few weeks ago I bought a fucking 1440p at 144hz for 499.99 and then I looking at the fucking price for this one. I’m about half tempted to take this back
Me: buy 2 of them
LTT: *look at Taran* not even close
Me: cries in my student wallet
@@TheXextreem got a 2k60hz 32" prosumer monitor 4 yrs ago, 4k still too high with the fps to get currently. realized i want all the fps *looksat4krealHDR27"-32"monitorprices* *sighs*
I got a $900 4k 60Hz HDR monitor 32inch
Where's the review part of the video? You didn't even share any of your impressions of using the monitor.
This isn't really a review. More of a showcase with some colour charts.
it is a showcase of a modified PWM driver tbh; there is really nothing groundbreaking here. just a timing tweak...
@@zanfr123 hi, what is PWM means, is it for penis With multi head ?
@@babyjoully google is your friend. Pulse Width Modulation
a5hun does an amazing review on this monitor
Does this monitor come with the latest version of the Internet?
does the monitor also come with wifi?
No but it come with hard drive cloud
No. It only comes with web 1.0.
This is the only question that really matters :)
+99 ping players should understand this question.
You know Minecraft is back for real when LTT gets sponsorship from a Minecraft server hosting company.
Edit: Most popular TH-cam comment ever is about Minecraft. Cool.
yes
I have tried pebblehost before and its pretty decent for 1$/GB.
yes (assorting dominance)
i swear, it's best to make a minecraft video now linus
Wesley Johnson I pretty sure they got sponsored by pebble host before.
I guess this is an ad because they didnt even bother actually testing it
And because they don't tend to do *any* ROG ads recently and this is not *a* ROG product. So can this be an(other) ad?
You tell me.
Yeah, I was disappointed. I came into this video hoping to find out if I should jump on this instead of the LG 27GL850, and came out of it with next to no closer to a decision than before I watched the video.
@@khryogenic same
I don't buy any of this stuff, I just like your videos LOL
robotlogik LOL
Nothing wrong with that, I am sure the majority of the viewers are like yourself xd
_LoL_
@@nobodylmportant I dunno, Linus does have a pretty huge collection of headphones, DACs, and Amps!
Same
You should have mentioned the double strobbing pattern that happens when you dip below around 100 fps. In that case, the display starts to flash the *same* frame multiple times which causes double vision while your eyes are moving.
This actually cannot be avoided because the pulse width must be decided at the *start* of the frame and if the gaming system experiences frame drop it will be known only at the time the next frame should come. Unless the monitor can see into the future, there's no way to solve this perfectly.
Basically, the physics force that you can select up to 3 of these:
1. Variable frame rate.
2. No double vision.
3. No motion blur (that is, black frame insertion is enabled).
4. No one frame input latency.
ELMB-Sync is selecting 1, 3 and 4. Most gaming monitors select 1, 2 and 4. And VG27AQ can be changed to select 1, 2 and 4 by disabling ELMB-SYNC.
TV sets that support black frame insertion may select 1, 2 and 3 (accept 1 frame lag to know how long a single frame will be displayed) or 2, 3 and 4 (black frame insertion without variable frame support, for example Samsung MU6100 series.). In reality, most TV sets actually select 2 and 4 because that's the easiest to implement.
_Looks at bank balance :_
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_[No, i don't think I will]_
Priorities.
it isent that bad if it is as good as thay say
You literally make this same comment on every tech video.
-10/10 for originality
@@TechDove Obviously that's because he can't afford anything shown. Duh!
Who needs money anyway amirite 🙃
Guys you should put up an epilepsy warning at 4:02, quite a strong flicker there
Not just epilepsy, Migraines as well. In fact I'm worried that what that monitor does will actually induce migraines in people who are susceptible to them. I know with my current monitor when you turn down the brightness it doesn't actually make it darker, just does what this monitor does and make it display more black for periods of time, which my brain can somehow see which gives me seriously bad migraines. So I'd like to see some form of test if that would be the case with this one as well.
Ok. So I found the 'Not target ' audience . I'm going to guess someone else will comment about needing it with nurf wrapped edges , and another needing it in braille .
@@texasdeeslinglead2401 no need for that fella. Let's at least attempt to make youtube comments sections less toxic eh
@@NuminorTheFool you need a monitor with DC dimming (rare), not PWM dimming (common)
Gotta love me some "Extrem Low Motion Blur"
Hay plz visit my channel
Sri Dinushow all that for a drop of clout
All that and you didn't even really talk about the motion performance??
Hay plz visit my channel
@@SriDinushow no, don't go around begging for views on other channels. That isn't how you gain a good reputation.
@@alexv.d.h.7331 he did say 'hay plz' though :D
@@SriDinushow Your channel doesn't have any monitor videos. Scammer.
@@jaybee0507 well he never said he had monitor videos, he just said "hay plz visit my channel"
The real question will be VG27AQ vs 27GL850......
27GL850
10 bits panel depth, 30bit colors, while Asus 8bit, 24bit, also LG got real better HDR, Asus better for refresh rate at 155, but LG at 144, not big difference tho.
LGB27TQ beats everything
32 inch monitors are the future, not 27".
The lg has much less overshoot and c o l o r s
@@user-bf5sc8pn8x Can't find that model on google?
This felt like a TechSlowy Episode rather than a review.
This would also be a good techquickie video. I'm conflicted about that title
@@SriDinushow stop
I was waiting to hear what your experience was, and if the strobing+VRR looks great in person. You guys just stated the facts without saying if it's good.
Ive had experience with backlight strobing for reduced motion blur on 2 different monitors and its visually not noticeable. It's only slightly darker. But, it does cause eye strain over time. For me personally the strain kicks in at about 1 hour in for fps gaming.
449 dollars = budget gaming.... Wow.
The product is worth it's price, but not for what I would market as Budget.
bravojr they made a video one what the word “budget” really means
I originally thought the same thing, but upon further reflection and Ignoring the marketing part of the use gaming", Budget "Gaming monitor", is not Budget "monitor".
Similarly budget "gaming" video cards are quite a bit more expensive than budget video cards
Robert T preference?
check the other monitor prices 700 or even 1300$, yes 450 is budget in that market (as someone who bought and returned several of them including a 1300$ one I can tell you one thing prices does not reflect on picture quality or motion blur reduction at all ! actually the most expensive have HUGE flaws like the absolute shit monitor Linus has and who's shown in this video the HDR one with a giant whiteish bulb following your mouse, awful even for free I wouldn't use it)
@@fredEVOIX There are 6k usd monitor,so does that mean 750 is budget?
Hi. So I just wanted to say a quick thank you; because after gaining knowledge from watching your videos, today I was able to successfully finish building, and set up, my first gaming PC (and must I say, it looks bloody sexeh). Thank you so much for all the time and effort you put in to your videos as I could not have done this without them. Keep up the amazing work :)
"The VG27AQ is more about getting kills than netflix and chills"
Nice one 😂
I don’t think a 400+ dollar monitor should ever be considered “budget”
300*
@@nomadace777 was probably higher priced before
@@verscy8726 yes
3 Asus videos in a row, might want to slow down a little.
Asus is a major sponsor.
Considering they just went to their factory I’m not surprised that they gave them products to review, plus I didn’t watch one of them cause the cool thing is u don’t have to if u don’t want to
Nah. This isn’t even close to entry level. My 1440p 144hz IPS monitor was 350 without discount. This is a pass for most budget oriented people
@@nibberola1713 must be some Chinese knock off cheap thing with poor gtg and response times as well as bad color 8 bit panel as well and then probably not bright either. From what I have seen any decent panel is 500+$ more currently.
Dell & LG have some nice budget 1440p 144hz monitors
This is not budget, $150-250 is budget. This is on the higher-end.
Those insane 240hz ones are enthusiast. And after that is the "Professional" tier ones.
Asus sells a 240hz for 220$ on amazon rn! Its awesome
This is "budget" for the 27" with adaptive sync and IPS class of panels.
Its pretty cheap if you consider the feature being new, somewhat a leap in display technology and a first for a gaming monitor.
Wtf are you talking about?
@@MadDogHatesWoke Why are you so mad ? Racist shit
I thought I was more informed than most about lcd monitors, but man learned tons watching this and cleared up stuff I wasn't sure about, thank you very much!
Oh man that's tempting. Several years ago you could do this with 3D compatible displays exclusively on Nvidia using a custom resolution, it was so nice.
06:28 Lol. Somebody should explain to him that "Netflix and chill" has nothing to do with watching movies. "Hey baby, wanna come over and watch Netflix and chill?"
Black frame insertion always looks like the screen is flickering to me.
Strobing huh... screen flicker is really nasty after 5 hours of gaming. Rather never use that, but it does look way better and clean. My eyes are too sensitive sadly for that.
I doubt you can notice the strobing over 120hz
Wow. I still cant believe how quickly technology is moving forward. It's almost hard to keep up. Another great video from the LMG. Always has and will always will be my go to tech channel
High refresh really helps. I recently bought an AW2515HF 240hz monitor for my xbox one and you can instantly see how much smoother and responsive the games feel!
isnt xbox highest 30fps?
@@MultiGamerClub shhh he dont know
@@sense5151it will still likely be smoother
Adding flicker to reduce motion blur? And this flicker is in no way noticable? I'm skeptical.
Even if it's not noticeable it does cause eye strain
Ive had experience with backlight strobing for reduced motion blur on 2 different monitors and its visually not noticeable. It's only slightly darker. But, it does cause eye strain over time. For me personally the strain kicks in at about 1 hour in for fps gaming.
maybe I wasn't clear in my text wall but below 100fps you get eye strain so to take advantage of this you need a high-end pc in the 1st place like VR, still if oled gave you eye strain I would still watch movies on it because it's the ultimate picture quality experience, BFI is the same it brings unbeatable picture quality but okay some people buy their tvs and monitors according to how much watts they use rather than picture quality so you do what you like in the end (still wrong tough)
Might be a dubious comparison, but my TV has optional backlight strobing for this purpose. It is unbearable. Instant headache.
ELMB is a Joke. Don't buy this monitor.
I’m still in love with my VG278Q.
Me too.. It has elmb as well
“More about kills, than Netflix and chills” LMAO 😂😂😂
I just picked up this monitor. I can’t wait to use it.
"entry" ... "Budget" ... "$429" ... One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn't belong
for a 1440p 144hz ips high response time decent colors etc actually that is cheap very cheap. People were surprised to see razer or gigabyte start at 700$ and then for gigabyte its 600 or less. LG is 500 for an amazing panel and then this thing is 430$ for similar and amazing. That is very much surprising when most of these panels are around that 700-1300$ mark or more depending.
It's entry into the enthusiast monitors. When the high end starts at $1500, $429 is relatively cheap
Actually considering buying this one. First monitor you guys have reviewed in months that's been a compelling purchase.
I wish all gaming monitors had linus in underwear stickers included
😏
Watching this in 2021 with my Asus VG27AQ, couldn't be happier :D
More advertisement then a review nicely done.
Back in 2013 when I built my last system I thought to switch to 4k with my next build. Now in 2019 it seems further away than ever.
A perfect monitor has IPS, 4k, 144hz, low response time, adaptive sync, back light strobing, full hdr (=high nits for brightness), proper illumination zones AND costs about 500 Bucks.
Until that is available (and affordable) I will stick to my high end 1080p 144hz monitor. No reason to upgrade, especially since graphics cards can't run games at 4k 144 anyhow.
Isn't backlight strobing responsible for a lot of headaches and tiredness while using a monitor?
Mainly when it's below the flicker threshold for the person using it, and it depends on the person using it as well as the technical implementation used. Back in the day most people had 75-90 Hz CRTs (yes yes there were faster ones, but MOST people), and TVs were 50 or 60 Hz depending on your region, and these complaints were indeed more common, especially when using TVs as monitors/having them too close (it tends to be worse when the monitor covers more of your field of view, so watching at a flickering TV from many meters away isn't as bad as having your nose against it).
But then again incandescent lamps also flicker at 50 or 60 Hz (mains power frequency), and fluorescent lamps can flicker at a variety of frequencies depending on their design and condition of the ballast, and most people don't notice that when the lamps are functioning as intended (a failing fluorescent light is very noticeable tho). Movies were traditionally shown by projecting the film to a big screen at around 24 frames per second (i.e. 24 Hz flicker frequency), though later double shuttering started to become used, increasing the flickering rate (movie still shown at 24 frames per second, but each frame shown twice for a flicker frequency of 48 hz). AFAIK movies get away with this partly because of the brightness, the higher the brightness, the faster the rate needs to be to prevent noticeable flickering. From what I can find your average movie theater might reach 50 nits, and IMAX might be 100 nits, vs. any decent monitor hitting 300 nits at peak brightness, best HDR ones hitting 1000 nits. So very much down to the technique used.
From my personal experience (I'm fairly sensitive to these effects) the PWM flicker that happens at low brightness levels on some monitors, which has recently been the biggest cause of these issues, is worse than the CRT flicker back in the day was at 60 Hz for me (for reference 75 Hz was better but still a bit of an issue after a while for me, 90 Hz was pretty much fully OK). Worth noting is that the flicker on those is worse due to technical reasons, even if the display is dim, which should make flickering easier to avoid. On some modern TVs the black frame insertion modes are completely unusable flickery messes, but on others they're totally fine. The low persistence (i.e. flickering) behavior of the OLED screens on the Oculus Rift at 90 Hz is totally fine for me. Movie theaters are fine for me for the most part.
So this is not a simple question of "backlight strobing causes headaches and tiredness" full stop, it's a complex bundle of things, where different technologies, implementations and personal sensitivities factor into the whole. A good implementation of the technology used at a reasonable brightness level, and the vast majority of people should do just fine, thoguh some are really sensitive to these issues and might never be able to use them. On the topic of brightness btw, almost all display calibration programs recommend 120 nits as a standard peak brightness to calibrate to, I prefer 90-100 nits for my lighting conditions. There's almost never a reason to use 300 nits or more unless you're using HDR, where the point is that the AVERAGE brightness is still fairly low, just that the brightest peaks can hit high numbers.
mine strobes at 120Hz so it's hardly visible (to me anyways)
indeed. For a while my family didn't believe when I said that "while I can't see the flicker, I do end up with a nasty headache after 15mn" --- so they blindtested me; rather put me in front of screens I didn't know were CC or PWM... I found the PWM ones insufferable... And I had absolutely no problem with the CC ones...so to me, this is a big step backwards. Not to mention, they advertise this as groundbreaking but it is merely a timing tweak on their PWM...
@@jubuttib a good explanation; also there is a difference depending on the backlight type: LED backlights are essentially squarewaves on/off/on/off constantly (this is with the common PWM driver, constant current drivers adjust the voltage to dim the LED without flickering, which if you ask me makes more sense if you are not drastically power limited), old fluo backlights for LCDs were more of a sine wave (much like the incandescent bulbs) so it was less "brutal", I found that purely OLED displays, tend to be less objectionable (at least the ones I've seen on mobiles) because of their slow refresh rate and because they are both the luminance and chroma source; so the "blur" in mobile OLED screens actually acts to smooth things out...
Yes. Almost nobody here actually knows about Pulse-Width Modulation or how backlights work; or the fact that all high quality monitors completely stopped using PWM years ago and have absolutely no flickering at all at any brightness. Direct Current is more expensive to manufacture than PWM; that's the only con, and only corporations care about that. Almost all these replies are confusing backlight modulation with refresh rate of the active matrix on top of the backlight. Linus' employees themselves don't know much about technology either and just google things to a very basic understanding to make production deadlines. Do not buy this monitor or any other that still strobes your eyes hundreds of times a second. It is not 2004 anymore.
Thank you for not making the segway into your advertisement awkward and painful as Linus does.
I would liked a comparison between the LG 27GL850 and this one. I've already preordered the LG for a very good price and now consider waiting for the Asus.
RIP, im actually, 3 years later, in this situation...
@@kevinlassure6214well I am now in this situation too! Any updates?
this just goes to show that CRT is still king of all displays. no need for any sort of freesync or gsync. no motion blur. just a lot of eye damage and power consumption and space hogging. really fast refresh rate crt's are really rare too.
3:16 - Just wanted to add that backlight strobing is not the same as black frame insertion.
this has been updated, waiting for your review
Great video! It was very informative, yet a little weird for James to be so serious. I Love Linus Tech Tips and subscribe to all the channels, but what keeps me coming back is the jokes, kidding around and general lightheartedness that goes with the show.
For the first time on youtube, the perception motion blur on pc monitors has been explained correctly. Thank you.
Does that really matter tho? I feel like people are making FPS and HZ values more than they are. It's more bound to how the game handles motion, improving refresh rates is just a brute force way of making thing better.
&A fellow boi, that can easily switch between 120, 60 and 60(w/ 30FPS) easily.
@@Koffiato well, its the only way to go. adding motion blur in game is worse, as when you try following an object on screen it will look even worse.
"More about kills than Netflix and chills" 😂😂😂👌🏻
This wasn't really a review it was just explaining technologies in monitors.
And welcome back to you are to broke to afford this
Just ordered mine. Super excited.
Is it good? I'm thinking of getting it too :D
starting to push your merch way to much... people who do this get annoying really fast. my opinion
Would rather them be pimped out by brands, a la the Dyson vacuum videos? Everyone used to joke about Nvidia being his overlord but if they don't push their merch that would eventually become reality.
1:58 Glad to see Mike Chilton going green and riding a bike. Guess Motorcity is looking pretty good too.
got this for chirstmas 2021, cannot recomend.
i got it for christmas along with some other stuff to, why would you not ?
@@pilotreg it sounds great on paper but in practice pretty disappointing.
out of the box it wont look like any other monitor, let alone setting one up next to it for dual monitors
TLDR. flawed with bad options with questionable support
The HDR is not real HDR(I have seen far better fake HDR too), try turning on HDR in windows or a majority of games it wont look right.
HDR aside monitor is very dim in the sRBG mode and unusablely dim with the low motion blur setting(many settings and presets disable the brightness slider, far larger hit to brightness than you would expect). all other visual presets are garbage extremely over saturated or discoloured colours blending and washing out. no "normal" mode preset or a way to create one. many settings get disabled whatever preset you choose(also wtf is the red and gray scale "moba mode" ?. The factory reset default setting is 60hz "racing"?? with the majority of the settings disabled until you change to fps, scenery or cinima modes, also no HDR in cinima mode which gives you the best contrast)
I was primarily interested in it for the 165hz/gsync which works fine but mine will go completely black (emits no light, power LED stays on) for 3-4 seconds randomly, I can be playing a game or watching a video and the screen just conks out for a few once or twice a day. I have tried resetting all the settings and messing around with refresh rates, resultions and presets but nothing stops it from going black, as well as a couple different cables I am currently using the supplied DP cable and it happened while writing this.
Asus support has not been terribly helpful, my only option is to mail it away for a repair (I feel they should really replace a two week old monitor acting up) and they will charge me if they are unable to reproduce my issues... which has me not feeling too great. When I informed them I never received the RMA shipping label they said they would escalate it to the appropriate department, I quote: "The escalate would take 24-48 business hours." six days later at time of writing and nothing yet. it just really feels like a mess
back to the feature set, the gimmick "gamePlus" options are all useless and not customizable, timers are fixed length, crosshair is fixed position, FPS counter is ugly and MASSIVE, the sniper practice mode is admitidly kinda neat if you find a game that works with it.
I went from feeling like I got a fair deal on it to feeling pretty badly burned at this time, also at this price point a cheesy two port USB hub would have been a nice touch.
I am not one to have strong brand alegances but this has really changed my opinion on Asus.
what a beautiful explanation graphic at 2:19
I came out scratching my head more after watching this
I just ordered one of these on sale from Newegg for $260. Can't wait until it gets here.
Any complaints?
"budget" This thing is $657 in my country, Asus really need to rethink what budget means. No one in their right mind would pick this one when an LG27GL850 is $150 less.
Linus said it’s budget though correct not asus ? Lol
The lg is 80 € more than the Asus one for me
sigh....Budget is how much you have to spend, NOT indicative of something being cheap.. Linus gets this right, this guy has to learn it still.
Good comment and thanks for pointing that out to the uninformed. This is how people change the meaning of words in history and usually make them negative. People did the same thing with the word racism and racist which mean the classifying of people by their race and NOT what we are led to believe mean as seeing one race as inferior to another. Yet society will adopt these twisted meanings and never be the wiser. It’s a shame people abuse words to fit their agenda.
What's the difference between this Monitor and VG27AQ1A
Update : I bought that monitor and it's so beautiful! ♥
Just bought this as my second IPS monitor by Asus hyped to play on it on Thursday
please share your impression and if you have the 2 pixel errors and the top left. There is a set of monitors which has 2 pixels at the top left adapting the color of the bottom right corner.
A good monitor is one that fills up my entire vision
Can we get a VG27BQ review? I just got one and i'm loving it. I feel like the the AQ is trying to be a TN and the BQ is trying to be an IPS. The Color Reproduction on the BQ seems good. I want to see tests. Please and Thank You
Zero mention of strobe-crosstalk.
I was surprised when I first heard of G-Sync Pulsar, and now I’m even more surprised that ASUS pulled off the same concept 4 years prior. Why did it take Nvidia’s engineers so long to make their own version of ELMB? Why didn’t ELMB take off as the perfect compromise between BFI and VRR?
Give this channel another 2 week and they will change it to
Linus ASUS Tips
lmao
ASUS Tech Tips
Me: Nice, a TUF monitor to match my TUF Gaming PC
LTT: Entry level price
Me: Looks like i'm getting a new monitor
LTT: 429$
Me: NopeNopeNopeNope
True Budged version : Old but gold CRT with decent resolution an refresh rate (plus overclocking)
Alvaro L.R good ctr tv is expensive now
@@bubblefishhk4336 Even second hand ones?
My monitor costed me 120 bucks 10 years ago and it still works like a champ :)
429...entry...linus must pay his employes REALLY good! :D
The pyramid with that monitor at the bottom had me convinced... Are you saying an entry level gaming monitor DOES not cost like an entry level gaming PC?
I hope TH-cam analytics shows that I chose to press the like button at "HDRn't" because this video was good but not great until that moment. Now it's a great video.
How is this a "review"? You spent most of the video explaining ELMB.
Compare this to a Hardware Unboxed monitor review, and it looks more like a piece of advertising.
Bought, fine Monitor. One thing i did nopt notice in this video(but it seems to be present there): you have a "noticable" black border between what is used for displaying content and the actual monitor frame. Could not get it reduced. looking closer on this video, it seems to be present there, too.
This was a great video for educational reasons. I enjoyed the science of how our eyes work to track objects and motion. (:
Bought a LG 27GL850 27'' UltraGear™ Nano IPS 1ms Gaming Monitor with G-Sync® Compatibility
LOVE IT
BEST ON MARKET IMO
Even more features to get even close to a CRT, wonder how many more years we need to wait to get actually good monitors.
Revener666 LoL funny
Do you find the truth funny ?
Everyone praised and advertised LCD panels over CRT because they hurt your eyes less because they did not flicker. They couldnt just leave your eyes you know relatively unhurt so they found a way to introduce flicker into the screen for maximum eye hurtage. Love it. Buy now beat the rush.
You know PWM is a bad feature and most monitors avoid using it for eye saving now it just brought it back...
I just bought a new monitor a few weeks ago and was looking for those features.
I am smiling rn :)
Why does this dude remind me of Kirk Douglas? Next video please try to impersonate.
Nice can you include information on compatibility with play stations or xbox's on displays videos?
Damnit, I ordered the LG because you guys said it was the best monitor of 2019 and now this arrives before it ships, which is better? lol
Lord_Edge it still might be a better monitor. We will have to wait for a proper review, which this video was supposed to be, but isn't.
yeah they didn't even compare them wtf.
Just got a 4k screen and your face has never looked more beautiful.
"Entry level monitor"
"429"
Hell naw.
I'll stick with my 75 Hz 1080p monitor that I got off Amazon for $90
@@johiahdoesstuff1614 yeah but its 144 hz with a 150hz overclock and it makes a big difference im currently using a 240hz moniter and its way better than my old 90hz moniter
@@N7ShepardSR I guarantee that unless you are very very special, the difference between 240 and 120 will be practically unnoticeable. Anything more than 120 is basically unnecessary.
2K 165Hz IPS 1MS G SYNC Is worthy
Alot of reviews complain that the Brightness goes down when you turn EMBL on, but TBH it is not a problem the screen is bright enough as it is, I turned my brightness down to 15.
Black should be black not grey and white backgrounds should not hurt your eyes.
Is it mil-spec 810G drop proof for when Linus touches it?
4:29 Where is the JBD company video a half a year later?!! I've been following that company and their tech looks awesome! I'm super surprised you guys know about them!
So nothing on if it works and looks good? Just a measurement of color accuracy and thats it?
Good use of footage of Linus riding a bicycle.
I think people are confusing the terms “Budget Monitor” and “Budget GAMING Monitor.”
Well, yes, because if it's "gaming" it's going to have an high refresh rate so it's going to cost more..
This video in my feed is evidence that my attempts at ad blocking have failed.
Sorry but since when is 500€ considered "budget"?
For me personally a budget display would be around 200-300€/$ but not freakin' 500€+
lol my monitor was 70 bucks
Budget can vary from person to person
My budget for a pc was 2500€ but for other people that's expensive
just bought two vg249q monitors for pretty cheap each just 1080p 144hz 1ms but damn these things are nice and a perfect fit for the series s
Two monitors for a series S?
I love y'all buying cheap consoles and then spending money on extra monitors xD
@@thunderarch5951 don't be that guy clearly not what i meant
im rocking a ps4 pro a series x a switch and my computer with a 2060 this asus 1080p the bigger brother 4k 60 hz and my girlfriend got the other 1080p 144hz and a series s a switch and her 1660laptop so what are you trying to get at ?