With regard to the controller dead-zones, Logitech says it's on the list of things to address/fix but it's not clear whether that will be a software or hardware revision, and it won't be fixed this quarter (Q4 2022). An update to enable virtual button remapping may happen this quarter.
The fact Linus can turn down a sponsorship deal, then give a very good and respectable review thats not 100% negative... and give great customer feedback to the product makers. Is honestly amazing. +100 Respect Linus. Fair play to you.
To be fair, if review was more negative, I feel Linus would have taken the deal. Because noone (sane) will acuse you of being a sellout, if you wrote a negative review or didn't take the money.
This is why i respect any opinion Linus has on any new or upcoming products. Man just doesn't take a sponsor if he isnt fully 100% onboard with what they offer
i respect him too but this thing uses tencent which i dont like them at all and not denying the stupid eula is just dumb i dont like tencent theyre very privacy invasive and theyre bad for gaming
Mate he literally said it would be good enough to sponsor in the video. I'd expect him to have a more critical conclusion having heard everything said in the video. Privacy sensitive issues cause of Tencent.. Laggy joysticks. Only enough brightness to use indoors. Glitchy software, no back button etc. Only a real estate agent can end on such a positive note. And Linus, apparently.
Not only did Linus REFUSE Logitech's money, his review and feedback is actually worth potentially millions of dollars in sales in terms of technical improvements to Logitech's device that would help said sales.
I doubt sharing that info publically did them any favors since their goal was to get a shill and sell the handset as is before Black Friday. So we can leave it at, Linus kept it real with his audience.
I guarantee you that there is nothing in this video Logitech wasn't aware of beforehand.... They made a business decision that this device in this configuration makes most profit compared to development and production cost
The entire introduction about refusing their sponsorship to avoid being biased or accused so is pure gold and I'm happy and lucky that a channel like this still exists in 2022
It's still kinda messed up though, he said he needed to see the product before taking the sponsor, then denied the sponsorship and kept the product. While it is nice to see through the cracks its still messed up.
He didn't refuse the sponsorship. It's more like he couldn't take it. He wanted to review the product but that goes against the contract. Also it takes a lot of time to review the product so he couldn't do it at the time they asked for.
Product reviews like these are what actually get me interested in a product. An ad/sponsorship that only discusses the pro's, which makes you question the potential issues that aren't mentioned
Yeah, I dont even bother giving attention to sponsorship bits. Maaaaybe if it's a product I was already interested in but even then it'd have to be in that early stage where you're trying to figure out what the product can even do. They're just too biased and potentially misleading to get valuable information from.
Shoutout to Linus and the team for not sweeping the bad features under the rug and accepting the sponsorship. Very glad they had the integrity to say no and telling us the real side of the device.
judging by past experience - even sponsored products got their bad features out in the open along the positive ones. his reputation is worth much more than a single sponsorship - intel for instance has had so much harsh criticism from Linux (till recently in which intel really upped their game) which did not make intel step back from the 5K extreme upgrades :)
also kind of a win for Logitech, as (despite its issues) it ended up being a positive review with a "keep an eye on it" conclusion, which kinda works as an ad too
@@morphoose I found his review to be pretty professional and on point. He talked about the good, the bad and the things that could be improved to make it more comfortable to use. Hopefully Logitech will take this to heart and make those improvements.
The Deadzone issue can be fixed after a software update. You can basically set the device to have no deadzone anymore. I set it to 0 and have no drift.
I know this is old, but the drift vs dead zone issues are basically opposites. Removing one worsens the other. It's like interest rates vs inflation. All non hull effect joysticks have some amount of drift. Setting the dead zone to zero is probably a bad idea
Its to early. Cloud gaming isn't good enough for most people because of internet issues and this thing is way too expensive. This needs to be like 150 bucks and it could have a use, but 300 for a shitty android tablet makes no sense at all.
Judging from the fact that they partnered with Tencent, I imagine that the product was pretty much envisioned from the start for the Chinese market where mobile and cloud gaming is very popular. The market for something like this in North America seems like it would be really small as most people already have consoles or PCs to game on.
And any attempts to search for sensitive content shall result in deduction in social credit points for you and your family 3 generations back and another 3 in the future
Well those with PC's are still a market, I use my Steam Deck to stream over my WiFi to play in the garden in good weather. No way I would pick this over a Steam Deck though since I want to still be able to run some games locally that are latency truly latency sensitive (e.g. Hades for me). Plus, I am using my Steam Deck for emulation, playing BoTW on it, runs well.
That forced agreement to a Tencent ToS is reason alone to never get the device. I used to be on the "oh it's just a company, who cares", but over time I've come to see the atrocity that Tencent truly is. They have to be avoided at all costs to try and stop further damage to the industry.
@@pinkie723 Afaik: Imagine EA but in basically every nook and cranny of the entertainment industry (and possible beyond). Idk if it's even true but they _may or may not_ influence chinese propaganda ideals in western productions even if they are not meant for chinese screening or china has a different version. That's all hearsay though so take it with a grain of salt. But even if the above is bs: They are probably as big as Amazon, Google or Microsoft in China alone and have such a broad influence in both domestic, Asian and Western media that they need to be cut down in power and size. Edit: The last part should also apply to some western companies (both european and american)
governments can issue an arrest request and in 30 minutes you are being interrogated on a dark room because they know where you live, all those deals that tencent have with the ccp and big tech have with america is to persecute sophisticated criminals like drug lords and political activist. not a lad that doesn't wear a mask on the sub.
I love the way Linus talks when he's the one who wrote the script. It just feels ever so slightly more natural because he's read every sentence like 100 times but that makes a huge difference. You can FEEL that these are TRULY HIS thoughts. I'm not saying that LTTs writers are bad (they're actually pretty good at adapting to Linus' style) I just wanted to say that this one felt a lot more comfortable and honest. :)
I think handhelds like these are one of the things he's really passionate about. I do think it's a device far too late to the market, and was a bit odd to see a review without really any mention of how well the product works streaming from PC or using those Cloud services.
@@SphinxKingStone oh wow that's interesting? May I ask how long you've been watching his videos? Might be because you started watching when most of the videos were already written by someone else and Linus just "reviewed" (although his review process is quite extensive) the script
hey Linus, I got the gulikit kong pro controller because of your review of it, and I have been using it for about a month. I absolutely love it. Thanks for being a solid reviewer and thanks to the LMG/LTT for going through such intensive reviews to make these videos happen!
@@simhpl well that's a good question. For me personally it became my go-to. I use it on switch, xbox, pc, and ps with zero issues. And the hall effect sensors are just spotless. I have my deadzones practically zero'd
@@simhpl Currently the best controllers for the Switch in my opinion are the "Gulikit King Kong 2 Pro" and the "8bitdo Ultimate Controller". They both have great hand feel, good button response, motion controls and cross-compatibility but each has it own thing to offer. The Gulikit controller has the thing with the anti-stick drift, macros and nfc tagging for amiibos and is slightly cheaper. I find that this controller fits better in my hands. The 8bitdo controller offers extra buttons on the back, better button mapping, has a pretty slick charging dock and comes bundled with a 8bitdo usb adapter. My fav part of this controller is how they used regular buttons for the + and -. As someone who owns both, I prefer the feel of the Gulikit and carry it around when I'm travelling but I like having the 8bitdo out when I'm at home because it really fits the aesthetic of my white switch and I never have to worry about whether I charged it or not. They're both really good controllers and you will never regret picking either one.
Never stop making the videos YOU want to make Linus. You work your butt off and deserve to say, "you know what, I'm the boss and I'm reviewing this weird thing that I want to play around with" every once in a while.
His team works their butts off. If you think this dude rights or test any of these equipments your delusional. Too much money coming in to waste time doing that.
@@impreza0109 point it out. Point out the exact comment that makes you think I’m jelly. He’s making too much money to do any grunt work. He shows up on the morning. The staff he pays debrief his m what on what they got planned for the day and all he has to do is sit in front of a camera for a couple hours and done.
@@BulletBoyGaming are you also mad that CEOs don't do customer service? you must be blind because he does a lot of grunt work lmao. Have you seen the intel upgrade series? He builds PCs and fixes up furniture at his employees' homes on camera. We see him laying goddamn cables in the 2300 foot fibre cable video. sounds like grunt work to me. even on this video, he's credited as the writer when LMG has a team of writers, so he personally worked on this one. he could be chilling in his office and scratch his balls while earning revenue or sell off his company and retire, but he still gets down to personally make content because he's passionate about tech.
@@gavwrecker That's what I was thinking. Steam Link, Game pass, Parsec... There are so many good options to stream games nowadays. Maybe Stadia could have benefitted from a device like this (if Google wanted to play aggressively and gain market share, they should have sold something like this for $200), but stadia needed this more than this needed stadia
@@carlosfer2201 u also dont need any additional hardware with geforce now...been using it for 3 years now. It's exactly like Stadia but cheaper, with more games, that you don't have to buy again if you already own them on Steam, Epic etc..
You can honestly see when Linus writes and handles the review of a product. Not saying the other reviews/videos are boring, but you can tell he but his time and love into this one and I hope he finds more time for it, because I really was invested and Linus when passionate about something is contagious. Strong work man
@@Ferritetf2 The Switch games are far more expensive than they are worth. Inferior hardware, software, and controllers(Pro controller not included) compared to the big boys such as Xbox and PS4/5. Games on the Switch vs their other console releases are noticeably worse in nearly every way. From the visual clarity to frame rate, Switch versions of games are just a complete mess in comparison. Granted there are a lot of exclusives on the Nintendo Switch, there really is just no reason to buy the Switch version of any multi platform game unless you only own a Switch. Even then though I would highly advise against it as the cost benefit analysis of buying even just a PS4 and a handful of used games is infinitely more bang for your wallet.
The steam play compatibility is probably it's saving grace in streaming, as it's not a monthly subscription thing and you can play the games you own for PC (and even others if you like to thinker around with the steam library)
But that still requires you to have a bunch of stuff. A gaming PC for one, plus a solid Wifi network... and it requires you to have that PC running while you play. Which might not sound as much of a problem, but it stops you from the excellent pick-up-'n-play feel that you get from a Switch or a Steam Deck. And that's not even mentioning the electricity you need to run the PC... at least in Europe that's a big concern at the moment, as prices are absolutely nuts.
@@Cimlite You don't necessarily need a 4090 to run games well enough in 1080p to send to the device. there are quite low power/low budget ways to deal with it. Of course that still don't get rid of the wifi problem, which you probably could try to get around with a VPN etc, but you're probably just inviting a ton of lag to your device, but it's still the best of the options offered by it.
@@dan_loup Absolutely. You don't need a crazy high-end PC but, you still need something worth while. Preferably a 20-series card or newer, as that's when Nvidia started improving their video encoders. That makes makes a huge difference for game streaming, both in terms of performance and image quality. And it still has to be on, which means it's a process to get connected to it. You have to turn it on, boot it up and _then_ connect to it. And though this can be setup to be done remotely, most people won't do that. Like I said, compared to a Switch or Steam Deck that just suspends the games, so you can click one button and be playing, right where you left off... It's just not the same experience.
@@Cimlite I’m currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 and 1060 on 1080p monitor and can run most games at medium or high settings. Some less demanding/older games even maxed out. While only pulling a max of 450-500 watts. I have been recently used parsec to game remotely and it worked perfectly so encoding want a problem either. I was limited to 60fps but 60 is always playable.
The funny thing is even with my gaming pc on Ethernet I’ve had a terrible experience with steam link. Which is funny because ps remote play from my ps5 is flawless. The only complaint I have with it is that the resolution is pretty low when remote playing from my ps4, but it’s pretty good from any other device, like my steam deck. The g cloud is dead to me if one of the very few use cases for it isn’t even usable
I miss videos like this that actually have Linus’s fingerprints all over it. I got into LTT cause of him. Not cause of the people he employed. Obviously they’re great at what they do but it’s not the same. I honestly can’t remember the last time I got to see a LTT video like this.
Thank you Linus and everyone at LTT. Tencent being involved with this and being unskippable to agreeing to that agreement makes this a hard no for me. Don't care how good or cheap it is.
Yeah, hard to ignore a glaring issue like that one. I wonder if it's possible to use this to stream from another computer. Then again... I can think of a dozen other devices that would do that better. Plus the controls suck, so that's a lotta compromise for not a whole lotta benefit.
The price of the Logitech G Cloud + the price of streaming services literally makes it just more expensive than the steam deck. Also i cannot imagine actually using this portable device anywhere from home since it always requires a fast internet speed to play games.
what really kills it for me is how close in price the Steam Deck is yes the steam deck is bulkier, but it lets you play pc games locally, and can be docked to a tv/monitor to be used like a docked laptop
It blows my mind how giant corps like Logi and Tencent don't ever bother to put alpha test units in the hands of power users, only to have a launched product review like this highlight so many bugs and inconsistencies. The trend all over the tech industry of launching a MVP (minimally viable product) and fixing it later so they can hit arbitrary deadlines is becoming an absolute joke of itself.
hah good pattern recognition on the tech industry They've really gone downhill on keeping their brand image away from looking bad compared to several years ago. Example, I thought the PowerPlay tech they made was cool and still is, but seems like after that they adjust themselves to the trend like lightweight mouse which is fairly sensible business wise but that ain't the way they used to be, they set cool trends that Corsair and Razer would only dream then copy Logitech Oh wait might it be Razer would release a G Cloud competing product??
I think it's very likely that Logitech/Tencent engineers are aware of, and already voiced concern about many of these issues, but they were de-prioritised and then didn't make the cut, because management dramatically underestimated the total effort required for the project, and then preferred to move the goalposts and deliver a half-arsed project, rather than admit the project was badly planned.
In general I agree, but this competes so awkwardly with the steam deck and more budget friendly items, a deadline to get this out and get market feedback on the sunk costs probably makes more sense than it would in a different environment.
I personally would choose the Steam Deck over this, but the problem with the Steam Deck is pricing on countries where it isn't officially available, it can easily cost double, and I live in one of those countries.
Set up a thread for resale on steam or another forum. I would gladly sell you one for my cost + shipping + $20 for my time. No need to double the cost.
PDQ inventory and deploy are fantastic for small - medium IT shops. Even if you only use the free versions, well worth trying. Yes, I am commenting on the sponsor and not actual video content
Linus coming in with a subjective review rather than raw specs and performance, and I'M HERE FOR IT! My go-to device has been the Aya Neo Air lately, even though its the weakest of the latest mobile handhelds with terrible battery life, but ergonomics and 1080P OLED are amazing for handheld gaming. Great review!
Ehh I think he took there money. Because to even use this device you need fast internet and subscription to a game streaming service. For just 50 bucks more you get a steam deck. Which doesn't just act as a portable gaming device but as a full on computer with great specs. Using a phone make way more sense for cloud gaming handheld since phones actually have mobile internet and if you have 5g coverage you can easily cloud game.
@@appropriate-channelname3049 Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Also, don't throw around accusations of backroom deals. Just because you have no integrity, doesn't mean Linus doesn't either.
@@CraftComputing I mean this review sounds so positive for a device which is one of the worst deals on the market right now. Even if they fixed their software issues this device is a 100 dollar android tablet with a controller mounted onto it. I could probably ship you something equivalent to this for cheaper. And still make a decent profit. Also how can you endorse a product which is based around always online and has ten cent directly involved with it. You can either pay 350 dollars for Chinese Spyware or you could buy a switch life for 200 bucks or a steam deck with a good SD card for only 100 bucks more. I wouldn't recommend this product to anybody. I hope Linus did thus review as a favor to logitech or at least got bribed. I would respect him more.
Although I don't 100% agree with my colleague here. I really don't see why Linus is dismissing the Faux's statement to avoid when there are some clear deal breaking flaws with the G Cloud, a lot of which are usually never fixed "in software updates" (or fixed too late) for such a niche device. We could name countless such devices that never took off because the basic requirements to use the thing were not sustainable. All in all it's a terrible deal and is 3 years too late.
Yup, could you imagine if they had made this before the pandemic? Would have sold like hotcakes. In today's market though? Seems like a pretty hard sell tbh...
it shouldn't be too hard to throw in snapdragon 870, improve joysticks with exact same build within next 6 months and bounce back, replacing soc is easiest thing they can do now
Wow, this review is more beneficial and lucrative to Logitech than a sponsorship ever could be. They have the money and now a guideline to create a significantly better Logitech G Cloud 2.0.
Ah, the power of QA. Now, for Logitech to hire someone for this BEFORE going to market to save millions more... Not that they don't have QA but the answer is diversified quality assurance to ensure all demographics are considered. Cheers!
This was tense, I hope Logitech takes it well, and I appreciate you for doing this for us. I'm especially glad you brought up just strapping a controller to your phone, that's been my number one issue with this.
Yup. My "regular" internet is still xDSL and it's ~12Mbit (so, not much for cloudstream) but the latency is fine. Then I have my alternative 4G-internet (500GB per month, free 5GB updates if needed) is 100Mbit, but the latency is absolutely horrendous. Cloudgaming isn't going to happen for me XD.
To be honest, I'm not sure. In many parts of the world yes. But for example where I live (Germany) the internet is solid enough. The downtime would be so minimal I couldn't care less.
@Mat Sci I live 2010 all day, every day.... It's difficult to realize that for the same price my xDSL costs me, I can have 800Mbit fiber, but... I don't have fiber :( And to be sure, this is from the Netherlands.
With bad Internet it can still be used for local streaming but yeah, it's severely limited in what markets they can realistically sell to. The locked bootloader and Tencent involvement already killed it for me anyway. Besides, I'm quite happy with my Deck.
I'm very interested also, but I honestly don't see any. If you're wanting a cloud streaming handheld, you'll go with the steam deck, a high-end anbernic, or an odin. If you want a retro emulator (at least for the games it can play) you'll go for an anbernic or a retroid that's 250 cheaper. What use does this have that there aren't either better devices at the same price point, or far cheaper devices for one of its major use cases?
There's going to be a very niche market for this device specifically. There are plenty of other options that are either inexpensive and provides the same experience for purely cloud gaming or you can be spending a bit more on something like the Samsung Tab S8 tablet which stomps on this SD720G e-waste that Logitech is pumping out. Poor people aren't going to be buying this device, smart people are going to look for better options with better pricing, and people with money are going to be spending more on something better than this garbage. Also as Linus mentions in the video, this product was in production already when the Steam Deck was announced. A little too late for Logitech to cancel it. I can see Logitech dropping the price to $150 within a year or two and when it does, it can become a good recommendation at $150 for a 720G Android device. Another issue Linus has also pointed out is the controller. The last actual joypad game controllers that Logitech had produce and sold dates back to 2011, Logitech HAS NOT made any new joypad controller design and HAS NOT produced any new joypad game controllers since.
It's impressive that both Logitech and LTT are competent enough for this video to somehow exist. Knowing how reckless companies and influencers are now when it comes to sacrificing ethics for a buck, it's impressive that a honest video like this was able to make its way through!
Yeah. I'm surprised that Logitech greenlit it, because there's clearly some caveats being shown and talked about. Its not rated badly but there's clear issues here and talking about declining sponsorships is a weird thing to see in a video. It also gives it a bit of a negative vibe when its pretty clear what the pros and cons are and for who this product is.
@@itskdog I think they were smart enough to realize that Linus would have talked about his experience anyhow (WAN Show at the least), but that pulling it back when LMG didn't accept the sponsorship would have been the headline, rather than an honest review. That and Logi has enough backing that they can take frank reviews to heart and improve the product for the next iteration.
The Tencent partnership has the same vibes as the Oculus-Facebook partnership. Like yeah, sure, I'll give you free range to remotely lock me out of a piece of hardware I paid hundreds for. That's definitely something I'm going to do.
Unfortunately it doesn't matter at all. Gamers have no problem with installing kernel/bios level software from Riot Games (tencent) for Valorant that literally requires a restart for it to work. so that they can scan and see every single thing on your device. To somehow combat cheaters more, even tho cheating is quite prevalent in Valorant at the moment. So yeah no, a Tencent partnership and "diagnostic feedback" thing isn't going to stop anyone anytime soon.
@@ghostsword6554 "not a huge fan of some of their choices", bruh, the the CCP are literally murdering people in the streets right now. Tencent is literally an arm of the CCP.
As a colege student with crappy wifi that always cuts out, I love my steam deck cause i can play games on the bed and not have to mess with cloud streaming. For me, I would easily spend 50 more dollars for that assurance.
@@theArchive1O Definitely get one. I have 5 friends who got one and they all love it. The only reason I didn't is because I have an amazing laptop I would never use if I got one.
Trust me lot of reviewers have grown on TH-cam but staying true to the core work and passion is what Linus presented. He could have made extra but presenting honest review to the audience led me to add mad respect to him. Take a bow for his team and himself. Even his lost subscribers will subscribe him back again after this work. Meanwhile I’m going to LTT store to buy something so Linus earns.
I think for $250 starting price and $200 during sales it would actually not be too bad. I hear you on that battery life, but for me handhelds are not meant to be played for more than like 2 hours at a time, at that point id rather just play on my TV or Computer. Still use my 1st gen switch all the time with like 2 hours of battery life and I've only had it actually die on me a small handful of times in the many years I have had it.
For me it the opposite... I much rather play on a handheld then sit at my desk or in front of my TV. I've probably have put in more game time on my deck in 2 months than I have on my PC or PS5 in 2 years. The terrible battery life of the Switch and even the OLED switch is why I never use mine. It always dead every time I wanna use it, and it never stays charged long enough for me to enjoy gaming on it.
If it was for $200 I would buy the device to go along with my Switch so I can stream games from my PC to my device... But this way I'll just buy controller for my phone to stream games from my PC to my device.
The problem with the battery life for the Logitech is the benefit is outweighed by the drawback of it being a namely cloud gaming device. Let's take a 10 hour flight for example. The issue of Steam Deck's battery is easier solved via the outlets on a plane or a power bank than the issues of getting Wifi to the G Cloud in order to play your games. Because it's not just internet you need - but good internet, and I feel like on the go this isn't necessarily a guarantee. So both devices have problems, but only one device has viable solutions IMO. $99 for this would be luidcrous but maybe with a 720p panel and webstore exclusive then $200 would be a possibility and this would put it in its own kind of category vs. being so closely compared to the Steam Deck due to the proximity in price.
I mean if you need a outlet then gaming laptops make way more sense a lot of the times. For example, going to a hotel for a few nights, going on a long sleeper train for several hours, going to your hometown, etc. Because though its larger, it has the capacity to store a lot more games and access them much faster, play them at much better quality and it doesn't even cost much more than a deck. $400 vs $550 for a 3050ti 85w laptop with a 144hz panel.
@@DeWitt22 There was a gtx 1650 laptop for $480 with a i5 1240p. And another one for $500 with a i5 10500h. Realistically you'd want the $500 steam deck with the nvme ssd, so you can upgrade its storage. Playing off a microsd card is not going to be a great experience. Either that or you upgrade the storage yourself.
@@siyzerix no because the comfort offered by a handheld format is far superior to a laptop... Yeah sure laptops have the power but it's either on you lap with a mouse somewhere awkward or you need a table... With the steam deck I have traveled 10 hour in a train an played for around 8 hours while my laptop I couldn't even place a mouse anywhere...
@@RoDaX55 Weird. I also travelled by a sleeper train. And I had a berth to myself. Plugged in my laptop and played away. Heck, the form factor of a laptop provides great comfort when you want proper PC gaming. And of course, you can just use a compact wireless controller if you want.
The Tencent partnership is a total no-go for me and most other people i know..... pretty much everyone i know hates tencent and would avoid stuff like this at all costs
Anthony mentioned it before, and I have to say that the Ayn Odin is a great Android handheld that can do a lot of cloud gaming, local emulation, Android gaming, and has great battery life to boot. I recommend it if you want something Android-based that's a lot more portable than something like the Steam Deck, without all the compromises that the Logitech G Cloud has. It's about the same price or cheaper than the G Cloud, too.
@@davidcardenasus while they are horrible, they are not companies owned by Chinese dictatorship and send data over there. Not sure about Activision but don't play their titles anyway
@@davidcardenasus they might have a stake in those companies, and i actually do avoid epic and ubisoft yeah! i do use Discord, theres no real way around it lol, but with activision, riot and remedy, i dont even know if i still use anything by them... but yeah if i see Tencent during loading or on the steam page or during install or something, i will 80% surely stop installing!
I give you a lot of props for being this honest about the product, and I'm sure Logitech appreciates the feedback as well. All of my keyboards, gaming mice, headsets, and other similar accessories have been Logitech and I have no intentions of changing. I like their products, but I want to see them do better in areas they need to. I had a number of people I know and have seen even more mock the G-Cloud for being the price it was and were all on the boat of ignoring it entirely. Making a point about how it "couldn't handle demanding Android games or emulation very well"... but I reminded them that the point of G-Cloud was entirely different. It's a CLOUD GAMING DEVICE. Point blank. It's like my friends laughing at me for wanting one of the gaming Chromebooks when you could "get a more powerful laptop for much cheaper", and all I had to do was challenge them to find me a 16-inch 120Hz 1440p laptop for less, and not one of them could. The point of a cloud gaming device is to specialize solely on cloud based gaming services. Of course corners are going to be cut on having super powerful hardware. These devices don't need super powerful hardware to do what they do. They do what they advertise, all with super cool temps and long battery life. I don't think I will buy the first build of this device, given things like having no back button or wifi 6 support, it makes it a harder sell for me. If they released a newer model that corrected these issues with promised support to eliminate bugs, I'd be buying it day 1.
You say it's a cloud gaming device. But in order to do that, I need good wifi. I have good Wifi at home, but also a 55 inch OLED TV. So that leaves using it on the go, but it doesn't have any sort of LTE support either. So I need to hotspot it to my phone. This makes so little sense to me over using my phone, which I already own, has 5G and better performance. Or you just buy a 8 inch tablet with a controller and you get exactly this ,but likely with better performance. Or ofcourse you buy the Deck which doesn't need internet at all. This product just seems to skate right in between all logical usecases, hitting none.
Holyyy, this comment makes no sense. Calling it a “cloud gaming device” doesn’t magically make the feature set more valuable/justified, you’re acting like the name is some trump card that disproves all the haters… mf im buying a product for the features at the end of the day idgaf what they call it. The analogy of finding a better laptop literally doesn’t apply here, what? Because you literally can get a handheld capable of actual locally rendered gaming for basically the same price… you just picked a terrible analogy and then acted like the comparison means something just because you arbitrarily and incorrectly determined it to be a fitting analogy. Sure, there are benefits to this product, but a lot of people would vastly prefer being able to just run games locally and not have to worry about a subscription and stable internet and of course ping.
Man quit your yapping. Talking all that nonsense. They need to come out with a better product period specially if they plan to sell it at those prices.
This is why I always check for an LTT review before buying any product. It's fair, and explains exactly what and why the shortcomings are. I can't wait for the lab to be fully functional. You guys make buying tech products so much easier! 🙌
@@edddie7563 not at all lmao, iPhone are only there for ppl wanting to make it easier for themselves (QoL), because it is convenient I agree, but iPhones have nowhere near the customization features any Android has
@@arfanik9827 your completely wrong, in many ways. if u love to tinker with electronics iphones still the way to go, u just jailbreak same as unlocking boot loader in android. everyone has an iphone, if u don’t have one it’s like being left out of the circle. that’s exactly why i said under 30s.
Tencent and cloud gaming... the perfect "stay the heck away from this product" combo. As an added note, I love the Logitech products I own. It's a shame that they went this route.
Why is there so much hate for Tencent? Is it because of concerns with privacy? I would love to know if there's any proof of Tencent doing any of that other than the usual "Source: It's obvious bruh". As a note, I would be more concerned with the US government having my personal information instead of the CCP. We do know for a fact the former spies on every single citizen they can. Doesn't seem to keep any people away from American companies though.
@@SinNombreYQueWea Yes. Also, they're a generic mobile game company. I haven't looked it up, but, if memory serves me right, the EULA for their games, etc. basically give them the right to share your user data with whoever they want (as with most companies nowadays, sadly). The CCP is a dictatorship that arrests people with different viewpoints. The US doesn't. Don't get me wrong: the US has done a lot of horrible things, but at least it allows freedom of speech.
@@thearousedeunuch See, I'ma be real; having an issue with a company over questionable moral ethics is one thing, but when you veer into "b-but they sell out data!" like literally every other EULA you agree to from 99.99% of companies, it's just trying to pretend they're somehow worse despite being identical to every other company, it's just a pointless thing to point out, only to go play a game that also sells your data from, say, actibliz, EA, Ubisoft, Valve, etc. Just call out the questionable morals of the company, but "they sell data!" is in every EULA; not in that blatant of words, but every company does it, and pointing one out is completely pointless in the 21st century.
@@thearousedeunuch I'm pretty sure their EULA is the same as western ones, I thought people were this concerned over leaks that they were doing nefarious things with your data but so far it turns out that's never happened.. also have you read an EULA? You basically give up your soul if you buy a toothbrush with wifi. I don't see why Tencent stands out in any way. With regards to the US... it would be pretty stupid of me to start a debate on which country is "worse" or "better", that's mostly a matter of opinion, right? But I'm just gonna remind you that if Snowden ever comes back, he will be denied a fair trial and sentenced to death or life in prison in Guantanamo Bay or some CIA black site for telling the world what the US was doing to literally erase the concept of privacy. Also that family members of mine were tortured and killed in political concentration camps in Chile because they were Union organizers in the 70's, after our democratically elected president was overthrown in a US led and funded coup that replaced him with a fascist dictator. So yeah I think... this isn't about a free speech utopia against an orwellian autocracy. Life's not that simple. So I'm asking again why tencent stands out with your privacy concerns but also you have a youtube account which is owned by Google and this doesn't phase you
Well, you're right and wrong. Yes, everyone does it to an certain extent and sells our meta data to the highest bidder but the main difference is the US Government isn't requiring all US based private companies share their data. Sure NSA, DHS, CIA, FBI and whoever else wants it CAN get the data from whomever they want but that US based company isn't required to by law unless invoked by said agency. Whereas any and ALL Chinese based companies or companies operating in their country are required to share all data to support their data warehouse. Citizens controlled by CCP are under social credit system supported by these data sharing systems and laws in place. As they use a pilot for CBDC's dependent on social credit score, why would you openly choose sharing your data with the CCP? Data privacy won't be a thing for long when US based companies trial a similar system in the future, but for now there's less risk and exposure choosing non-CCP businesses for data harvesting. Over exposure to advertising firms is the main issue for now, but it will get worse.
I use a Samsung A71 with a Snapdragon 730 and a Razer Kishi for streaming games from Game Pass and my PC and it works amazingly well. Good concept on Logitech's side, but like you said, I like to consume media and do other stuff on my phone.
This review sold me on a G Cloud and I love it! It's such a great device for around the house so I dont have to be tethered to my PC or console set up all the time.
One major problem I have with this is that Linus thinks the only major competitor this thing has is the steam deck. Ayn Odin: Android hand-held (much much stronger than this thing) 200$ for the lite or 240$ for the base model, dedicated gaming device that can be used for local gaming, emulators or streaming Aya neo air plus: Intel Pentium alderlake CPU, 1080p display for 250$. You can get an actual windows machine for 250$ and Logitech wants me to buy a potato for 300
this was one of your best review videos. you really do this style well and clearly point out both the good and bad. this presentation style really rocks compared to some of the other ways you have done videos in the past. i really like it. you are a great presenter and this style of dialog works very well for both your voice and tempo. ;) great job...
7:28 The steam deck would also not get loud or hot during cloud gaming... and it's power consumption is minimal pushing 4-5h+ gaming, the only real issue is the weight.
I don't really understand the purpose of a cloud gaming mobile device. When i play mobile games, it's usually in a place where wifi is not accessible, like a plane, or subway, or back of the car on the way to grandma's, where she also has no wifi. It's not that I want all mobile games to be single player experiences, it's that I NEED them to be.
As someone with an Ayn Odin, I just already have everything this can do with a better soc for Android and emulation anyway lmao, been playing modded windwaker with the hd texture mod at 2.25x locked 30 and it's been a dream along with streaming. I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention it as a competitor, it's a more apt comparison than the deck.
Yeah, e.g. the Odin Lite is on special for $229 (norm $270), has a Mediatek D900 which is ~20% faster CPU, 40% faster GPU, often up to twice as fast in games, and should have a similar battery life.
That was the best sponsor segue I've heard from Linus yet. I bought that ShortCircuit hoodie+sweatpants deal yesterday, there wasn't anything cool in the bonus bin then. Also wish they had been doing both deals the same day, would've liked to get a mystery hoodie as well with the same order since those expensive shipping costs+tax are at least half of the mystery hoodies price.
Thank you. I appreciate the review. Honestly, I want to see LogiTech successful with their product. There is a lot of room in the marketplace for many who may not have SteamDeck or Nintendo in mind… Also, there will be a good bit of appeal for those with physical limitations, and maybe those who don’t mind the trade-offs compared to the big two in the marketplace. “Big” respect for how you handled and managed this. Kudos over the top.
So at 6:01 I got an ltt store black friday voice over that interrupted the video as it still played, then throwing the audio 25 seconds out of sync for the rest of the video. This cant just be me right? I see no one mentioning it
Picked one up a few weeks ago. I spend all of my time on Xbox cloud gaming when I'm not at home. If you are like me, this handheld does everything I want and more. Linus's review was spot on. But, given the price point for the device and the reviews I read before purchasing; I felt like I knew what to expect. If someone I knew played Xbox cloud gaming like I do and wanted a handheld, I wouldn't have any reservations recommending the Logitech.
this review accomplished something you probably weren't expecting..., i completely forgot devices like the steamdesk and the ayaneo existed and i need to look at availability again.
not to mention half of its functionality could die within the next 5 years making it useless for anything serious. at lest the steam deck can be used as a low power PC if steam dies tomorrow but i am not sure if this device will be usable if the services die.
They could take advantage of the partnership with Tencent, advertise the device as a super optimized Teamfight tactics, Legends of Runetera, Fortnite, Wild Rift, etc machine, and even sell it at cost or at a loss counting with the revenue it could bring with micro transactions in those games
I don't know Linus, I was all over cloud streaming for a while but the input delay will likely never be perfect (especially if it's using wifi). Even on a 5G signal, you're going to be dealing with RF interference from household appliances, harmonic resonance, and various other disturbances. Unless that can be ironed out, I see the steam deck as the superior device since it doesn't need to be streamed at all. This is coming from someone who owned the OG Shield, the K1 Tablet, and a hacked switch with android for the same purpose. I've also tried doing it on a seperate network, while stepping my home network down to 2.5GHz, so the 5GHz connection will be exclusive to the streaming device. Same problems. For cloud streaming, I would almost recommend ditching wifi all together and finding a proprietary device to carry the signal (like a USB dongle). I don't think this is a thing however.
I have yet to meet someone who can prove that they are actually able to distinguish between local and streamed games through their perceived "input lag." Honestly, it's a non-issue nowadays. If you have any noticeable lag, it's more likely to be your local device - streaming can take up some performance, depending on what you're doing. "Input lag", just like ultra high framerates are mostly placebos. If you play a game on GeForce Now in 1440p 120 fps and with 8 ms ping, there is no input lag that someone outside the pro gaming space would notice.
@@Nitidus You haven't met me. Why would you ever want to rely on streaming when you can process everything locally. Their is so many thing that can interfere with signal. Big pipes running through the house, Neighbors WiFi, wireless printers, your other consoles or computers or 5G Verizon lines if you are near the city like me. I would say try a fighting game and you will see the latency. Wireless gaming isn't where it needs to be right now, this thing will be $150 in 2 months.
@@Nitidus I've never played a streamed game that I could tolerate, due to input lag. And I do try again every few months because I eventually start wondering "Was it really that bad, or am I too critical?"
@@Nitidus oh you can totally perceive a few frames of input lag. For context I play kaizo mario hacks with retroarch and if I don't enable run-ahead of about 2-3 frames, I notice that mario just jumps a bit too late.
$150 makes a lot of sense. I could see them selling at that price. At $350 there's not a chance. The Steam Deck is amazing and I use it 90% of the time despite having an ultrawide desktop setup and PS5. Valve just completely dominated the market. $400 for the Steam Deck is a ridiculous price point and nobody can compete with that. It's an amazing piece of tech that should cost double what it does. In a world where the Steam Deck doesn't exist, $300 isn't awful for this device. But for an extra $100, Steam Deck is such a better drive than this in every way.
I have a very basic wireless KBM Combo that I bought October of 2018. I use it for work 5 days a week. It is still using the Duracell OEM battery that it came with. Big jump from this combo to the G Cloud, but the point stands
I agree with some points here, but I disagree with most of it. For the minimal difference of $50 on an already $300 product, the Steam Deck is an absolute no brainer and huge win as an actual portable system. 1. It's a portable system. If you're buying it solely to sit on the couch or in bed while gaming from your PC in the other room, this sounds like a good buy. However, the minute you want to take it out of the house and game on the go, the need to be tethered to a high speed, low latency, high data cap connection kills any proposition of usefulness. Either A) you buy an expensive unlimited data plan AND run a mobile hotspot (something carrier phones often charge extra for, which complicates things for non-technical users) or B) you better be somewhere with solid free WiFi available. Good luck at airports. Good luck at a lot of hotels that offer limited or trial tier WiFi. Good luck on planes, trains, cruise ships, or in the car. 15 hours of battery life might last you an entire trans-Atlantic flight but if you have no reliable connection you have nothing to play (other than barely-performing Android games due to the weak hardware). 2. Tencent? And the bootloader "might be" unlocked? Get out of here with that nonsense. Bootloader unlocking should be mandatory. If you can't put an operating system of your choice (preferably one not tied to one of the biggest data mining operations in video gaming) then you barely actually own the hardware. Steam Deck lets you run SteamOS, other flavors of Linux, Windows, or pretty much anything else you would want to use or create. I could see this G Cloud device being a fairly nice ARM Linux system, but with a locked bootloader that will never happen. 3. Steam Deck and G Cloud aren't the only options. There are other Android handhelds that do have unlocked bootloaders and stock Android builds (though still from China, so not 100% sure on the trustworthiness, but you don't have to sign a Tencent EULA to use them) and these you can run ARM Linux on. Anbernic makes a bunch of these along with some other companies. The SoC might not be as good but for purely streaming it doesn't matter much. This doesn't even begin to touch on just how anti-consumer cloud gaming can be. You pay a lot and you own nothing in many instances. Stadia was probably the worst offender, so I'm glad that is dead in the water. Steam Link and GeForce Now aren't bad since you're playing games you already own on Steam, but paying to "own" something that is entirely in the cloud means they can cut you off whenever they want and no amount of hacking, cracking, etc. will preserve your games. At least with Steam there is a chance that some cracks will be developed to run the games in the event the company kills off the servers or removes the game from Steam.
Cloud gaming largely feels like it's a solution in search of a problem. Hardware is so cheap that the price point of cloud streaming isn't a huge advantage. The Game Pass Ultimate or PS Plus Premium make a lot more sense as a compliment to hardware than trying to replace it. Even then, you can just remote play off your home console to begin with
IP. Cloud is all about not owning anything any more so pirating will almost disappear. They want to sell you a cash cow monthly service not something you own. Cloud is all about that business model.
It's gonna need to be an amazing data connection to handle game streaming tbh. My phone's 4G can barely handle decent quality youtube videos sometimes, can't imagine a game through it.
@@VexAcer depends where you live basically and how good the device is itself to handle it. I have samsung s22 that has 5g but only goes 4g where I am yet it's still pretty fast for me, downloading games that's like 2gb in like less than a min
It's amazing to me how much it reveals the "comment before watching video" ratio as I could not find another comment mentioning this issue with the video. There might be one but it's gotta be buried because I scrolled quite a bit.
@@Tempo1337 It doesn't appear to be an issue on phones, might be on computer, but I noticed the issue on my Roku. I don't think most people are seeing the issue.
If I was Logitech, I would pay you for a review as well... this video was probably the best help they could get to fix issues and make a better version next time... Every company struggles in it's first launch, Logitch G Cloud 2 might be worth a shot
Well its not just that, in the future they wont trust to send a unit without prior contract, and other brands will see this and follow suit, its bigger than this one paycheck
Already have the steam deck, gotta say yes it's cumbersome but the pros of it being standalone , and then also in the dock give me a nearly lag free solution for streaming from my PC is hands down worth it. This just seems like a halfway fix for alot of issues in exchange for it being lightweight...
These are the moment that make you realize that Linus is truly a man of his words and principles. Nowadays it’s soo hard to find public figures who wouldn’t throw their words away for money.
PDQ was the off brand Trash service we had to use cause the city wouldn't pick up in our region cause it was technically outside the city. Yet the city bus ran there regularly IDK Nashville has some of the most Effed in the A logic of anyplace I've ever seen.
I still have the original Nvidia shield portable. It truly felt revolutionary back in 2013. I do say that Logitech iteration, aesthetically, looks very slick as opposed to the steam decks clunky look. Always wait for gen2 versions.
It came into the market way too late when handheld market has blossom. While it tackles the different market than the deck, the actual competitors for this has better specs for similar price. Thanks for the review linus.
It also benefits from being able to be bought by the end consumer rather than being available only for a handful of areas and everyone else can suck it and go to the secondary market, paying over three times what the device is worth, on the cheap end.
Here's a question. Why should I buy this when a BT or USB C controller for my phone is much cheaper? (And I DO mean the full xbox layout snap-on controllers.)
@@wojtek-33 My current phone has a 2560x1080p120hz display and doean't melt playing a videi stream from steam link, my old phone had a 1280x720p60hz display, and the one before that had a 640x480p60hz display, neither got hot playing video. Only that older phone (An xperia E4G) makes this remotely worthwhile. This has to be better than a phone that can accept a gamepad and even in just the last couple of years 1080p display phones that don't melt themselves have become plentiful.
I'm glad Logitech sent them the device, even when the sponsorship wasn't confirmed. It allows for high quality reviews like this to occur, which strengthens the perception of respect and value of the brand.
This is a fantastic review. Thanks for reviewing this device. Looks like a very compelling device especially with how the battery life is so much longer than the steam deck. Also it has much higher resolution screen and it's a lot more lighter and probably more comfortable.
awesome review, you guys kind of do things in a way other reviewers often do not. Talking about how to enjoy a product by understand for whom it is designed for, and giving constructive criticism and recommendations for an eventual purchase, A+ guys!
it actually sounds like a cool concept but tbh, in my country, cloud gaming is almost impossible, unlimited data packages are way too expensive, and probably not the best quality, at least for me I'm still planning on buying a deck, but I really like the G Cloud's desing specially
As a Steam Deck owner I actually support this thing. Put a quality screen and speakers in a portable body and cut costs with weaker hardware makes perfect sense if they turn it into a perfect streaming device capable of streaming from your PC, Xbox and PS5. Most of us have at least one of those systems but we don't always want to sit Infront of the monitor/TV. If remote, we could do cloud gameplay and it will be enough. The best though would be the battery life. I just started doing this with my Steam Deck and WOW, just WOW. I'm using Moolight and Sunshine on PC and I don't even feel the latency.
Same here, since been a dad just didn't have the time / ability to go to my pc and play, played some on Parsec with a nexus 7 with controler but wasn't that good steamdeck is just what I needed esp with the suspend 👌 best 450 I ever spent for the 64gb model + 1tb SSD upgrade
I ended up ordering one thinking it would fit my use case we'll, which it actually does. I mainly wanted something in a switch form factor that I could use steam link with to stream games from my gaming PC. It's actually really close to being amazing for this use case. The screen is vibrant and crisp, it feels really good in the hands, and I had almost no noticable latency when playing. Unfortunately, this video doesn't cover just HOW bad the dead zones are on the joysticks. It's not just that there's a dead zone in the middle, there's also dead zones along the cardinal directions. What this means is if you want to input a direction that's to the right but slightly up, you literally can't, it'll register as strictly right. Racing games are bad, but shooters are pretty much unplayable if you want even a semi decent experience
This honest review is why I love watching your videos. I've been into cloud gaming for a while and am already interested in what you have to say about all of this. I would rather have this kind of honesty about a product than someone promoting it bc it's a brand name.
With regard to the controller dead-zones, Logitech says it's on the list of things to address/fix but it's not clear whether that will be a software or hardware revision, and it won't be fixed this quarter (Q4 2022). An update to enable virtual button remapping may happen this quarter.
Thanks for the update!
Nice
100% hardware, may as well let them try and push for more revenue.
I'm experiencing major audio/video misalignment after 6:01 on this video, anyone else?
@@nathanielphillips5727 not on my end :) am streaming on 1080p if that matters :)
The fact Linus can turn down a sponsorship deal, then give a very good and respectable review thats not 100% negative... and give great customer feedback to the product makers. Is honestly amazing.
+100 Respect Linus. Fair play to you.
you honestly think that this video is not sponsored nor affiliated in any way?
To be fair, if review was more negative, I feel Linus would have taken the deal. Because noone (sane) will acuse you of being a sellout, if you wrote a negative review or didn't take the money.
Not disclosing is forbidden by law. Calling Linus a criminal is quite harsh. Provide solid evidence or stop spreading your negativity please.
@@jetcoughlogo5752 the RCMP will be crashing down his door
@@carstenhilbert5472 C’mon it’s pretty obvious
This is why i respect any opinion Linus has on any new or upcoming products. Man just doesn't take a sponsor if he isnt fully 100% onboard with what they offer
Totally understand love
You said everything that is why you're a gay
i respect him too but this thing uses tencent which i dont like them at all and not denying the stupid eula is just dumb i dont like tencent theyre very privacy invasive and theyre bad for gaming
Mate he literally said it would be good enough to sponsor in the video. I'd expect him to have a more critical conclusion having heard everything said in the video. Privacy sensitive issues cause of Tencent.. Laggy joysticks. Only enough brightness to use indoors. Glitchy software, no back button etc. Only a real estate agent can end on such a positive note. And Linus, apparently.
W Linus
Not only did Linus REFUSE Logitech's money, his review and feedback is actually worth potentially millions of dollars in sales in terms of technical improvements to Logitech's device that would help said sales.
Exactly 👌👍
I doubt sharing that info publically did them any favors since their goal was to get a shill and sell the handset as is before Black Friday.
So we can leave it at, Linus kept it real with his audience.
yah, in a normal society it's good feedback, but it's tencent/ccp, so probably somebody in china was sent to a gulag over this
yeah exactly, the video itself basically IS a sponsorship, 2.6M views...
I guarantee you that there is nothing in this video Logitech wasn't aware of beforehand.... They made a business decision that this device in this configuration makes most profit compared to development and production cost
The entire introduction about refusing their sponsorship to avoid being biased or accused so is pure gold and I'm happy and lucky that a channel like this still exists in 2022
It's still kinda messed up though, he said he needed to see the product before taking the sponsor, then denied the sponsorship and kept the product. While it is nice to see through the cracks its still messed up.
@@pie4006 linus reviewed it though and brought more potential buyers to it
He didn't refuse the sponsorship. It's more like he couldn't take it. He wanted to review the product but that goes against the contract. Also it takes a lot of time to review the product so he couldn't do it at the time they asked for.
@@user-qu5gs8ly5i How can you say that it's not sponsorship if you get given a product? It's basically the point of sponsorship
@@somethinglikemayer some companies give their products just for reviews?
Product reviews like these are what actually get me interested in a product. An ad/sponsorship that only discusses the pro's, which makes you question the potential issues that aren't mentioned
Fully Agreed
Yeah, I dont even bother giving attention to sponsorship bits. Maaaaybe if it's a product I was already interested in but even then it'd have to be in that early stage where you're trying to figure out what the product can even do. They're just too biased and potentially misleading to get valuable information from.
and what about logic? why would I even consider playing big screen games on a smaller screen?
@@arjunratnadev Because you're not at the big screen, or don't have one fit for gaming
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Shoutout to Linus and the team for not sweeping the bad features under the rug and accepting the sponsorship. Very glad they had the integrity to say no and telling us the real side of the device.
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judging by past experience - even sponsored products got their bad features out in the open along the positive ones. his reputation is worth much more than a single sponsorship - intel for instance has had so much harsh criticism from Linux (till recently in which intel really upped their game) which did not make intel step back from the 5K extreme upgrades :)
also kind of a win for Logitech, as (despite its issues) it ended up being a positive review with a "keep an eye on it" conclusion, which kinda works as an ad too
@@morphoose I found his review to be pretty professional and on point. He talked about the good, the bad and the things that could be improved to make it more comfortable to use. Hopefully Logitech will take this to heart and make those improvements.
The Deadzone issue can be fixed after a software update. You can basically set the device to have no deadzone anymore. I set it to 0 and have no drift.
I know this is old, but the drift vs dead zone issues are basically opposites. Removing one worsens the other. It's like interest rates vs inflation. All non hull effect joysticks have some amount of drift. Setting the dead zone to zero is probably a bad idea
no drift YET. This uses potentiometers because every major company is too cheap to use hall effect sensors that fixed the problem decades ago
@@neonoir__ no they know about them they just dont wanna
It honestly feels like Logitech brought this into the market too late now that portable PCs are starting to become more common.
it's as if the nvidia shield came out now.
logitech should use this to get into portable pcs when steam os becomes public
Its to early. Cloud gaming isn't good enough for most people because of internet issues and this thing is way too expensive.
This needs to be like 150 bucks and it could have a use, but 300 for a shitty android tablet makes no sense at all.
Not to mention $150 dollar solutions that are not quite the same, but offer similar services such as the retroid portable 3+ or anbernic rg535
I know that the 1983 Compaq Portable weighed 28 pounds and never got really popular but laptops have been quite common for a few dacades already. 😉😝
Judging from the fact that they partnered with Tencent, I imagine that the product was pretty much envisioned from the start for the Chinese market where mobile and cloud gaming is very popular. The market for something like this in North America seems like it would be really small as most people already have consoles or PCs to game on.
And sweet, sweet data harvesting.
And only games approved by the government
And any attempts to search for sensitive content shall result in deduction in social credit points for you and your family 3 generations back and another 3 in the future
@@mariomgreer2742 And your only allowed to use it 3 hours on the weekend, sanctioned by the Chinese government.
Well those with PC's are still a market, I use my Steam Deck to stream over my WiFi to play in the garden in good weather. No way I would pick this over a Steam Deck though since I want to still be able to run some games locally that are latency truly latency sensitive (e.g. Hades for me). Plus, I am using my Steam Deck for emulation, playing BoTW on it, runs well.
That forced agreement to a Tencent ToS is reason alone to never get the device.
I used to be on the "oh it's just a company, who cares", but over time I've come to see the atrocity that Tencent truly is. They have to be avoided at all costs to try and stop further damage to the industry.
I never heard of Tencent, what makes them so bad?
@@pinkie723 they are Chinese
lol
@@pinkie723 Afaik: Imagine EA but in basically every nook and cranny of the entertainment industry (and possible beyond).
Idk if it's even true but they _may or may not_ influence chinese propaganda ideals in western productions even if they are not meant for chinese screening or china has a different version.
That's all hearsay though so take it with a grain of salt. But even if the above is bs: They are probably as big as Amazon, Google or Microsoft in China alone and have such a broad influence in both domestic, Asian and Western media that they need to be cut down in power and size.
Edit: The last part should also apply to some western companies (both european and american)
governments can issue an arrest request and in 30 minutes you are being interrogated on a dark room because they know where you live, all those deals that tencent have with the ccp and big tech have with america is to persecute sophisticated criminals like drug lords and political activist. not a lad that doesn't wear a mask on the sub.
I love the way Linus talks when he's the one who wrote the script. It just feels ever so slightly more natural because he's read every sentence like 100 times but that makes a huge difference. You can FEEL that these are TRULY HIS thoughts. I'm not saying that LTTs writers are bad (they're actually pretty good at adapting to Linus' style) I just wanted to say that this one felt a lot more comfortable and honest. :)
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I think handhelds like these are one of the things he's really passionate about. I do think it's a device far too late to the market, and was a bit odd to see a review without really any mention of how well the product works streaming from PC or using those Cloud services.
Really? I thought it's a new writer because I didn't really liked how this video was written
@@SphinxKingStone care to comment as to why?
@@SphinxKingStone oh wow that's interesting? May I ask how long you've been watching his videos? Might be because you started watching when most of the videos were already written by someone else and Linus just "reviewed" (although his review process is quite extensive) the script
hey Linus, I got the gulikit kong pro controller because of your review of it, and I have been using it for about a month. I absolutely love it. Thanks for being a solid reviewer and thanks to the LMG/LTT for going through such intensive reviews to make these videos happen!
I'm in the same boat. It's a great controller.
I am also thinking about it but what I am missing is information if Linus decided to make it his go-to controller...and if not then why?
@@simhpl well that's a good question. For me personally it became my go-to. I use it on switch, xbox, pc, and ps with zero issues. And the hall effect sensors are just spotless. I have my deadzones practically zero'd
@@WednesdayTheClove how are you using this for xbox?
@@simhpl Currently the best controllers for the Switch in my opinion are the "Gulikit King Kong 2 Pro" and the "8bitdo Ultimate Controller".
They both have great hand feel, good button response, motion controls and cross-compatibility but each has it own thing to offer.
The Gulikit controller has the thing with the anti-stick drift, macros and nfc tagging for amiibos and is slightly cheaper. I find that this controller fits better in my hands.
The 8bitdo controller offers extra buttons on the back, better button mapping, has a pretty slick charging dock and comes bundled with a 8bitdo usb adapter. My fav part of this controller is how they used regular buttons for the + and -.
As someone who owns both, I prefer the feel of the Gulikit and carry it around when I'm travelling but I like having the 8bitdo out when I'm at home because it really fits the aesthetic of my white switch and I never have to worry about whether I charged it or not. They're both really good controllers and you will never regret picking either one.
Never stop making the videos YOU want to make Linus. You work your butt off and deserve to say, "you know what, I'm the boss and I'm reviewing this weird thing that I want to play around with" every once in a while.
His team works their butts off. If you think this dude rights or test any of these equipments your delusional. Too much money coming in to waste time doing that.
@BulletBoyGaming lay off the shrooms bud, I can feel your envy all the way here
@@impreza0109 point it out. Point out the exact comment that makes you think I’m jelly. He’s making too much money to do any grunt work. He shows up on the morning. The staff he pays debrief his m what on what they got planned for the day and all he has to do is sit in front of a camera for a couple hours and done.
@@BulletBoyGaming you ain't jelly, you're bitter.
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@@BulletBoyGaming are you also mad that CEOs don't do customer service?
you must be blind because he does a lot of grunt work lmao. Have you seen the intel upgrade series? He builds PCs and fixes up furniture at his employees' homes on camera. We see him laying goddamn cables in the 2300 foot fibre cable video. sounds like grunt work to me.
even on this video, he's credited as the writer when LMG has a team of writers, so he personally worked on this one. he could be chilling in his office and scratch his balls while earning revenue or sell off his company and retire, but he still gets down to personally make content because he's passionate about tech.
I'm surprised he didn't mention the fact that Stadia is just being closed. That's a big loss for this thing.
Is it really?
@@Fernando-ek8jp not really geforce now is leagues better then stadia ever was
@@gavwrecker That's what I was thinking. Steam Link, Game pass, Parsec... There are so many good options to stream games nowadays. Maybe Stadia could have benefitted from a device like this (if Google wanted to play aggressively and gain market share, they should have sold something like this for $200), but stadia needed this more than this needed stadia
@@gavwrecker but with stadia you didn't need any other hardware. That's a big advantage. The fact their business model was crap is a different story.
@@carlosfer2201 u also dont need any additional hardware with geforce now...been using it for 3 years now. It's exactly like Stadia but cheaper, with more games, that you don't have to buy again if you already own them on Steam, Epic etc..
You can honestly see when Linus writes and handles the review of a product. Not saying the other reviews/videos are boring, but you can tell he but his time and love into this one and I hope he finds more time for it, because I really was invested and Linus when passionate about something is contagious. Strong work man
I like this calm and objective review. Clearly showing strengths and weaknesses and let people make up their own mind.
You'd have to be actually braindead to buy anything other than the steamdeck for handheld gaming.
@@sqlevolicious a switch?
@@sqlevolicious I have it but the switch still has its place.
@@sqlevolicious 😂
@@Ferritetf2 The Switch games are far more expensive than they are worth. Inferior hardware, software, and controllers(Pro controller not included) compared to the big boys such as Xbox and PS4/5. Games on the Switch vs their other console releases are noticeably worse in nearly every way. From the visual clarity to frame rate, Switch versions of games are just a complete mess in comparison.
Granted there are a lot of exclusives on the Nintendo Switch, there really is just no reason to buy the Switch version of any multi platform game unless you only own a Switch. Even then though I would highly advise against it as the cost benefit analysis of buying even just a PS4 and a handful of used games is infinitely more bang for your wallet.
The steam play compatibility is probably it's saving grace in streaming, as it's not a monthly subscription thing and you can play the games you own for PC (and even others if you like to thinker around with the steam library)
But that still requires you to have a bunch of stuff. A gaming PC for one, plus a solid Wifi network... and it requires you to have that PC running while you play. Which might not sound as much of a problem, but it stops you from the excellent pick-up-'n-play feel that you get from a Switch or a Steam Deck.
And that's not even mentioning the electricity you need to run the PC... at least in Europe that's a big concern at the moment, as prices are absolutely nuts.
@@Cimlite You don't necessarily need a 4090 to run games well enough in 1080p to send to the device. there are quite low power/low budget ways to deal with it.
Of course that still don't get rid of the wifi problem, which you probably could try to get around with a VPN etc, but you're probably just inviting a ton of lag to your device, but it's still the best of the options offered by it.
@@dan_loup Absolutely. You don't need a crazy high-end PC but, you still need something worth while. Preferably a 20-series card or newer, as that's when Nvidia started improving their video encoders. That makes makes a huge difference for game streaming, both in terms of performance and image quality.
And it still has to be on, which means it's a process to get connected to it. You have to turn it on, boot it up and _then_ connect to it. And though this can be setup to be done remotely, most people won't do that. Like I said, compared to a Switch or Steam Deck that just suspends the games, so you can click one button and be playing, right where you left off... It's just not the same experience.
@@Cimlite I’m currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 and 1060 on 1080p monitor and can run most games at medium or high settings. Some less demanding/older games even maxed out. While only pulling a max of 450-500 watts.
I have been recently used parsec to game remotely and it worked perfectly so encoding want a problem either. I was limited to 60fps but 60 is always playable.
The funny thing is even with my gaming pc on Ethernet I’ve had a terrible experience with steam link. Which is funny because ps remote play from my ps5 is flawless. The only complaint I have with it is that the resolution is pretty low when remote playing from my ps4, but it’s pretty good from any other device, like my steam deck. The g cloud is dead to me if one of the very few use cases for it isn’t even usable
I miss videos like this that actually have Linus’s fingerprints all over it. I got into LTT cause of him. Not cause of the people he employed. Obviously they’re great at what they do but it’s not the same. I honestly can’t remember the last time I got to see a LTT video like this.
Thank you Linus and everyone at LTT.
Tencent being involved with this and being unskippable to agreeing to that agreement makes this a hard no for me. Don't care how good or cheap it is.
It isn't good or cheap so very very easy decision
I was open to this until I saw the Tencent integration it a huge no-go for me. Now I'll take my negative credit score.
Yeah, hard to ignore a glaring issue like that one. I wonder if it's possible to use this to stream from another computer. Then again... I can think of a dozen other devices that would do that better. Plus the controls suck, so that's a lotta compromise for not a whole lotta benefit.
well if you can unlock the bootloader, there's the possibility of running some other OS on the device to potentially make it a better device
Why do you not trust tencent but logitech?
The price of the Logitech G Cloud + the price of streaming services literally makes it just more expensive than the steam deck. Also i cannot imagine actually using this portable device anywhere from home since it always requires a fast internet speed to play games.
does it have lte/5G. But yes won't run much with onboard hardware alone
what really kills it for me is how close in price the Steam Deck is
yes the steam deck is bulkier, but it lets you play pc games locally, and can be docked to a tv/monitor to be used like a docked laptop
@@Djuntas No. It's Wi-Fi only.
@@MysteryMii Easily solved by using your phone as a hotspot.
@@nrtolv Ah yes, cause draining my phone’s battery is a great solution.
It blows my mind how giant corps like Logi and Tencent don't ever bother to put alpha test units in the hands of power users, only to have a launched product review like this highlight so many bugs and inconsistencies. The trend all over the tech industry of launching a MVP (minimally viable product) and fixing it later so they can hit arbitrary deadlines is becoming an absolute joke of itself.
That's right!
hah good pattern recognition on the tech industry
They've really gone downhill on keeping their brand image away from looking bad compared to several years ago. Example, I thought the PowerPlay tech they made was cool and still is, but seems like after that they adjust themselves to the trend like lightweight mouse which is fairly sensible business wise but that ain't the way they used to be, they set cool trends that Corsair and Razer would only dream then copy Logitech
Oh wait might it be Razer would release a G Cloud competing product??
I think it's very likely that Logitech/Tencent engineers are aware of, and already voiced concern about many of these issues, but they were de-prioritised and then didn't make the cut, because management dramatically underestimated the total effort required for the project, and then preferred to move the goalposts and deliver a half-arsed project, rather than admit the project was badly planned.
In general I agree, but this competes so awkwardly with the steam deck and more budget friendly items, a deadline to get this out and get market feedback on the sunk costs probably makes more sense than it would in a different environment.
@@SamBKearns Nothing kills a project quite like management.
I personally would choose the Steam Deck over this, but the problem with the Steam Deck is pricing on countries where it isn't officially available, it can easily cost double, and I live in one of those countries.
Set up a thread for resale on steam or another forum. I would gladly sell you one for my cost + shipping + $20 for my time. No need to double the cost.
@@nobodynoone2500 where can i find the thread?
@@nobodynoone2500 Would you really do that for a stranger on the internet?
@@BlueRidgeBubble probably for the first ones who ask xd
@@fernandomel3117 Still helping a few people out
PDQ inventory and deploy are fantastic for small - medium IT shops. Even if you only use the free versions, well worth trying. Yes, I am commenting on the sponsor and not actual video content
That's when you know the sponsors are actually good
+1 for PDQ as an IT guy as well.
Linus coming in with a subjective review rather than raw specs and performance, and I'M HERE FOR IT! My go-to device has been the Aya Neo Air lately, even though its the weakest of the latest mobile handhelds with terrible battery life, but ergonomics and 1080P OLED are amazing for handheld gaming. Great review!
Ehh I think he took there money. Because to even use this device you need fast internet and subscription to a game streaming service. For just 50 bucks more you get a steam deck. Which doesn't just act as a portable gaming device but as a full on computer with great specs. Using a phone make way more sense for cloud gaming handheld since phones actually have mobile internet and if you have 5g coverage you can easily cloud game.
@@appropriate-channelname3049 Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Also, don't throw around accusations of backroom deals. Just because you have no integrity, doesn't mean Linus doesn't either.
@@CraftComputing I mean this review sounds so positive for a device which is one of the worst deals on the market right now. Even if they fixed their software issues this device is a 100 dollar android tablet with a controller mounted onto it. I could probably ship you something equivalent to this for cheaper. And still make a decent profit. Also how can you endorse a product which is based around always online and has ten cent directly involved with it. You can either pay 350 dollars for Chinese Spyware or you could buy a switch life for 200 bucks or a steam deck with a good SD card for only 100 bucks more. I wouldn't recommend this product to anybody. I hope Linus did thus review as a favor to logitech or at least got bribed. I would respect him more.
Although I don't 100% agree with my colleague here. I really don't see why Linus is dismissing the Faux's statement to avoid when there are some clear deal breaking flaws with the G Cloud, a lot of which are usually never fixed "in software updates" (or fixed too late) for such a niche device. We could name countless such devices that never took off because the basic requirements to use the thing were not sustainable. All in all it's a terrible deal and is 3 years too late.
It is not OLED
This could have been a game changer for Logitech, but sadly it came three years too late
Thanks guys for the likes 😊
Yup, could you imagine if they had made this before the pandemic? Would have sold like hotcakes.
In today's market though? Seems like a pretty hard sell tbh...
@@SimonBauer7 Agreed. even I still feel uncomfortable streaming games to my phone over my local 5GHz wifi configuration network from my pc.
did you watch the full video?
it shouldn't be too hard to throw in snapdragon 870, improve joysticks with exact same build within next 6 months and bounce back, replacing soc is easiest thing they can do now
I think smartphones exist for more than 3 years...
Of all the sponsered transitions, this one in the beginning has got to be the absolute best thus far. My personal favorite, you guys are awesome.
Granted, but the lack of the LTT intro was a bit of a letdown at the end. I need to see that.
Wow, this review is more beneficial and lucrative to Logitech than a sponsorship ever could be. They have the money and now a guideline to create a significantly better Logitech G Cloud 2.0.
Ah, the power of QA. Now, for Logitech to hire someone for this BEFORE going to market to save millions more... Not that they don't have QA but the answer is diversified quality assurance to ensure all demographics are considered. Cheers!
This was tense, I hope Logitech takes it well, and I appreciate you for doing this for us.
I'm especially glad you brought up just strapping a controller to your phone, that's been my number one issue with this.
the problem with the streaming devices is they solely rely on solid internet
Yup. My "regular" internet is still xDSL and it's ~12Mbit (so, not much for cloudstream) but the latency is fine. Then I have my alternative 4G-internet (500GB per month, free 5GB updates if needed) is 100Mbit, but the latency is absolutely horrendous. Cloudgaming isn't going to happen for me XD.
To be honest, I'm not sure. In many parts of the world yes. But for example where I live (Germany) the internet is solid enough. The downtime would be so minimal I couldn't care less.
@Mat Sci I live 2010 all day, every day.... It's difficult to realize that for the same price my xDSL costs me, I can have 800Mbit fiber, but... I don't have fiber :( And to be sure, this is from the Netherlands.
With bad Internet it can still be used for local streaming but yeah, it's severely limited in what markets they can realistically sell to.
The locked bootloader and Tencent involvement already killed it for me anyway. Besides, I'm quite happy with my Deck.
@@TheTekknician damn I would’ve thought the entire country of NL would be fiber. It’s a small country should be no problem to convert to fiber.
1:55 “l Thought Linus was about to say something else” 🗿
love the fact Linus doesn't let these companies control what he say.
Linus is always keeping it real . Long live Linus tech tips
he does let his handlers and the psy ops control what he says though.
Interesting to see if this actually has a market.
It probably does. I don't think they'd be willing to drop that much for it & those that are already dropping that much would just buy a steam deck.
Nah just use a phone lol
I'm very interested also, but I honestly don't see any.
If you're wanting a cloud streaming handheld, you'll go with the steam deck, a high-end anbernic, or an odin. If you want a retro emulator (at least for the games it can play) you'll go for an anbernic or a retroid that's 250 cheaper.
What use does this have that there aren't either better devices at the same price point, or far cheaper devices for one of its major use cases?
There's going to be a very niche market for this device specifically. There are plenty of other options that are either inexpensive and provides the same experience for purely cloud gaming or you can be spending a bit more on something like the Samsung Tab S8 tablet which stomps on this SD720G e-waste that Logitech is pumping out. Poor people aren't going to be buying this device, smart people are going to look for better options with better pricing, and people with money are going to be spending more on something better than this garbage.
Also as Linus mentions in the video, this product was in production already when the Steam Deck was announced. A little too late for Logitech to cancel it. I can see Logitech dropping the price to $150 within a year or two and when it does, it can become a good recommendation at $150 for a 720G Android device.
Another issue Linus has also pointed out is the controller. The last actual joypad game controllers that Logitech had produce and sold dates back to 2011, Logitech HAS NOT made any new joypad controller design and HAS NOT produced any new joypad game controllers since.
imo by the looks of it, the Logitech G Cloud has as big of a market as the Ouya which was never very big...
It's impressive that both Logitech and LTT are competent enough for this video to somehow exist.
Knowing how reckless companies and influencers are now when it comes to sacrificing ethics for a buck, it's impressive that a honest video like this was able to make its way through!
When Linus rejected the sponsorship, they could have easily asked for it back, but props to them for letting Linus keep it to review.
Yeah. I'm surprised that Logitech greenlit it, because there's clearly some caveats being shown and talked about. Its not rated badly but there's clear issues here and talking about declining sponsorships is a weird thing to see in a video. It also gives it a bit of a negative vibe when its pretty clear what the pros and cons are and for who this product is.
@@itskdog I think they were smart enough to realize that Linus would have talked about his experience anyhow (WAN Show at the least), but that pulling it back when LMG didn't accept the sponsorship would have been the headline, rather than an honest review. That and Logi has enough backing that they can take frank reviews to heart and improve the product for the next iteration.
@@itskdog why would they ask for it back, LTT is amongst the biggest out there and not having to pay for sponsorship means a free review
Like with Established Titles and Kamikoto Knives?
The Tencent partnership has the same vibes as the Oculus-Facebook partnership. Like yeah, sure, I'll give you free range to remotely lock me out of a piece of hardware I paid hundreds for. That's definitely something I'm going to do.
Tencent is a dealbreaker for me, because it's chinese government spyware
Yeah that Tencent partnership sort of ruins the product for me, as I am not a huge fan of some of their choices.
Unfortunately it doesn't matter at all. Gamers have no problem with installing kernel/bios level software from Riot Games (tencent) for Valorant that literally requires a restart for it to work. so that they can scan and see every single thing on your device. To somehow combat cheaters more, even tho cheating is quite prevalent in Valorant at the moment. So yeah no, a Tencent partnership and "diagnostic feedback" thing isn't going to stop anyone anytime soon.
@@ghostsword6554 "not a huge fan of some of their choices", bruh, the the CCP are literally murdering people in the streets right now. Tencent is literally an arm of the CCP.
@@TeamHahah So you'd rather be part of the problem than the solution? Tells us all we need to know about you.................
As a colege student with crappy wifi that always cuts out, I love my steam deck cause i can play games on the bed and not have to mess with cloud streaming. For me, I would easily spend 50 more dollars for that assurance.
Ha ha agreed, The steam deck can do anything this thing can x 10.
I have really been looking at getting a steam deck!
@@theArchive1O Definitely get one. I have 5 friends who got one and they all love it. The only reason I didn't is because I have an amazing laptop I would never use if I got one.
@@ebenezerspludge8369 except do 1080p in handheld
how was he lagging playing fornite on the g deck but was just fine playing Forza
Trust me lot of reviewers have grown on TH-cam but staying true to the core work and passion is what Linus presented. He could have made extra but presenting honest review to the audience led me to add mad respect to him. Take a bow for his team and himself. Even his lost subscribers will subscribe him back again after this work. Meanwhile I’m going to LTT store to buy something so Linus earns.
Exxxaaccttllyyy! I was going to buy it tbh but after seeing this very honest review, I’ll save my money for something better.
Same...I always buy coozies and necklaces... Might switch it up next time
@@brycamp3237 how on earth have you not heard about the steamdeck yet? Do you live under a rock?
@@sqlevolicious I didn't talk about any product here. Where did I even mention about any handheld?
I think for $250 starting price and $200 during sales it would actually not be too bad. I hear you on that battery life, but for me handhelds are not meant to be played for more than like 2 hours at a time, at that point id rather just play on my TV or Computer. Still use my 1st gen switch all the time with like 2 hours of battery life and I've only had it actually die on me a small handful of times in the many years I have had it.
For me it the opposite... I much rather play on a handheld then sit at my desk or in front of my TV. I've probably have put in more game time on my deck in 2 months than I have on my PC or PS5 in 2 years. The terrible battery life of the Switch and even the OLED switch is why I never use mine. It always dead every time I wanna use it, and it never stays charged long enough for me to enjoy gaming on it.
Yeah, I'm in the same place. $350-300 is a bit too much for me. I'm not asking for $100, but could we do $200???
If it was for $200 I would buy the device to go along with my Switch so I can stream games from my PC to my device... But this way I'll just buy controller for my phone to stream games from my PC to my device.
@@JerziTBoss if u happen to have a 1st gen switch you can always mod it and stream games directly to the switch that's what I usually do
The problem is, with $250 you can buy a Poco X3 Pro and a Razer Kishi and it will perform way better, and will be more versatile
The problem with the battery life for the Logitech is the benefit is outweighed by the drawback of it being a namely cloud gaming device. Let's take a 10 hour flight for example. The issue of Steam Deck's battery is easier solved via the outlets on a plane or a power bank than the issues of getting Wifi to the G Cloud in order to play your games. Because it's not just internet you need - but good internet, and I feel like on the go this isn't necessarily a guarantee.
So both devices have problems, but only one device has viable solutions IMO. $99 for this would be luidcrous but maybe with a 720p panel and webstore exclusive then $200 would be a possibility and this would put it in its own kind of category vs. being so closely compared to the Steam Deck due to the proximity in price.
I mean if you need a outlet then gaming laptops make way more sense a lot of the times. For example, going to a hotel for a few nights, going on a long sleeper train for several hours, going to your hometown, etc.
Because though its larger, it has the capacity to store a lot more games and access them much faster, play them at much better quality and it doesn't even cost much more than a deck. $400 vs $550 for a 3050ti 85w laptop with a 144hz panel.
@@siyzerix i dont think you will get a gaming laptop as powerful as the steam deck for the same price, or near
@@DeWitt22 There was a gtx 1650 laptop for $480 with a i5 1240p. And another one for $500 with a i5 10500h. Realistically you'd want the $500 steam deck with the nvme ssd, so you can upgrade its storage. Playing off a microsd card is not going to be a great experience. Either that or you upgrade the storage yourself.
@@siyzerix no because the comfort offered by a handheld format is far superior to a laptop... Yeah sure laptops have the power but it's either on you lap with a mouse somewhere awkward or you need a table... With the steam deck I have traveled 10 hour in a train an played for around 8 hours while my laptop I couldn't even place a mouse anywhere...
@@RoDaX55 Weird. I also travelled by a sleeper train. And I had a berth to myself. Plugged in my laptop and played away.
Heck, the form factor of a laptop provides great comfort when you want proper PC gaming.
And of course, you can just use a compact wireless controller if you want.
Got to love honest, passionate, unsponsored reviews.
The Tencent partnership is a total no-go for me and most other people i know..... pretty much everyone i know hates tencent and would avoid stuff like this at all costs
Spyware smh
RIP old league of legends when it used to be fun and had gamemodes
Yep. As soon as he said Tencent I checked out.
@@evandrofilipe1526 tencent's eula on this is 100% not spyware
@@xtYLT2IY8 I'm afraid I can't accept anything less than 110%
Anthony mentioned it before, and I have to say that the Ayn Odin is a great Android handheld that can do a lot of cloud gaming, local emulation, Android gaming, and has great battery life to boot. I recommend it if you want something Android-based that's a lot more portable than something like the Steam Deck, without all the compromises that the Logitech G Cloud has. It's about the same price or cheaper than the G Cloud, too.
$239.00 for the Odin, $349.99 for the G-Cloud (as of right now, browsing from NZ in US$)
The Odin is a no brainer.
Urgh, Tencent, that would be a deal breaker even if I was considering cloud gaming.
Yeah, tencent? Absolute NO GO!
@@davidcardenasus For me, I avoid all your listed ones. Not only for tencent.
@@davidcardenasus while they are horrible, they are not companies owned by Chinese dictatorship and send data over there. Not sure about Activision but don't play their titles anyway
@@davidcardenasus they might have a stake in those companies, and i actually do avoid epic and ubisoft yeah! i do use Discord, theres no real way around it lol, but with activision, riot and remedy, i dont even know if i still use anything by them... but yeah if i see Tencent during loading or on the steam page or during install or something, i will 80% surely stop installing!
@@raafmaat Discord is super easy to avoid! ... just don't have friends
I give you a lot of props for being this honest about the product, and I'm sure Logitech appreciates the feedback as well. All of my keyboards, gaming mice, headsets, and other similar accessories have been Logitech and I have no intentions of changing. I like their products, but I want to see them do better in areas they need to. I had a number of people I know and have seen even more mock the G-Cloud for being the price it was and were all on the boat of ignoring it entirely. Making a point about how it "couldn't handle demanding Android games or emulation very well"... but I reminded them that the point of G-Cloud was entirely different. It's a CLOUD GAMING DEVICE. Point blank.
It's like my friends laughing at me for wanting one of the gaming Chromebooks when you could "get a more powerful laptop for much cheaper", and all I had to do was challenge them to find me a 16-inch 120Hz 1440p laptop for less, and not one of them could. The point of a cloud gaming device is to specialize solely on cloud based gaming services. Of course corners are going to be cut on having super powerful hardware. These devices don't need super powerful hardware to do what they do. They do what they advertise, all with super cool temps and long battery life.
I don't think I will buy the first build of this device, given things like having no back button or wifi 6 support, it makes it a harder sell for me. If they released a newer model that corrected these issues with promised support to eliminate bugs, I'd be buying it day 1.
Do you have a recommendation on a cloud gaming laptop?
You say it's a cloud gaming device. But in order to do that, I need good wifi. I have good Wifi at home, but also a 55 inch OLED TV. So that leaves using it on the go, but it doesn't have any sort of LTE support either. So I need to hotspot it to my phone. This makes so little sense to me over using my phone, which I already own, has 5G and better performance. Or you just buy a 8 inch tablet with a controller and you get exactly this ,but likely with better performance. Or ofcourse you buy the Deck which doesn't need internet at all.
This product just seems to skate right in between all logical usecases, hitting none.
Holyyy, this comment makes no sense. Calling it a “cloud gaming device” doesn’t magically make the feature set more valuable/justified, you’re acting like the name is some trump card that disproves all the haters… mf im buying a product for the features at the end of the day idgaf what they call it.
The analogy of finding a better laptop literally doesn’t apply here, what? Because you literally can get a handheld capable of actual locally rendered gaming for basically the same price… you just picked a terrible analogy and then acted like the comparison means something just because you arbitrarily and incorrectly determined it to be a fitting analogy.
Sure, there are benefits to this product, but a lot of people would vastly prefer being able to just run games locally and not have to worry about a subscription and stable internet and of course ping.
Oh please, anyone who accepts funding from a dictatorship only appreciates cold hard $$$.
Man quit your yapping. Talking all that nonsense. They need to come out with a better product period specially if they plan to sell it at those prices.
This is why I always check for an LTT review before buying any product. It's fair, and explains exactly what and why the shortcomings are. I can't wait for the lab to be fully functional. You guys make buying tech products so much easier! 🙌
In the end, it's up to consumers to buy whichever they want. I look up best smartphones, and pick one of the top 10, it doesn't have to be number 1.
@@fynkozari9271 when it comes to phones there’s only one option, iphone.
@@fynkozari9271 if ur under the age of 30 that is
@@edddie7563 not at all lmao, iPhone are only there for ppl wanting to make it easier for themselves (QoL), because it is convenient I agree, but iPhones have nowhere near the customization features any Android has
@@arfanik9827 your completely wrong, in many ways. if u love to tinker with electronics iphones still the way to go, u just jailbreak same as unlocking boot loader in android. everyone has an iphone, if u don’t have one it’s like being left out of the circle. that’s exactly why i said under 30s.
Tencent and cloud gaming... the perfect "stay the heck away from this product" combo. As an added note, I love the Logitech products I own. It's a shame that they went this route.
Why is there so much hate for Tencent? Is it because of concerns with privacy?
I would love to know if there's any proof of Tencent doing any of that other than the usual "Source: It's obvious bruh".
As a note, I would be more concerned with the US government having my personal information instead of the CCP. We do know for a fact the former spies on every single citizen they can. Doesn't seem to keep any people away from American companies though.
@@SinNombreYQueWea Yes. Also, they're a generic mobile game company.
I haven't looked it up, but, if memory serves me right, the EULA for their games, etc. basically give them the right to share your user data with whoever they want (as with most companies nowadays, sadly).
The CCP is a dictatorship that arrests people with different viewpoints. The US doesn't. Don't get me wrong: the US has done a lot of horrible things, but at least it allows freedom of speech.
@@thearousedeunuch See, I'ma be real; having an issue with a company over questionable moral ethics is one thing, but when you veer into "b-but they sell out data!" like literally every other EULA you agree to from 99.99% of companies, it's just trying to pretend they're somehow worse despite being identical to every other company, it's just a pointless thing to point out, only to go play a game that also sells your data from, say, actibliz, EA, Ubisoft, Valve, etc.
Just call out the questionable morals of the company, but "they sell data!" is in every EULA; not in that blatant of words, but every company does it, and pointing one out is completely pointless in the 21st century.
@@thearousedeunuch I'm pretty sure their EULA is the same as western ones, I thought people were this concerned over leaks that they were doing nefarious things with your data but so far it turns out that's never happened.. also have you read an EULA? You basically give up your soul if you buy a toothbrush with wifi. I don't see why Tencent stands out in any way.
With regards to the US... it would be pretty stupid of me to start a debate on which country is "worse" or "better", that's mostly a matter of opinion, right? But I'm just gonna remind you that if Snowden ever comes back, he will be denied a fair trial and sentenced to death or life in prison in Guantanamo Bay or some CIA black site for telling the world what the US was doing to literally erase the concept of privacy. Also that family members of mine were tortured and killed in political concentration camps in Chile because they were Union organizers in the 70's, after our democratically elected president was overthrown in a US led and funded coup that replaced him with a fascist dictator.
So yeah I think... this isn't about a free speech utopia against an orwellian autocracy. Life's not that simple. So I'm asking again why tencent stands out with your privacy concerns but also you have a youtube account which is owned by Google and this doesn't phase you
Well, you're right and wrong. Yes, everyone does it to an certain extent and sells our meta data to the highest bidder but the main difference is the US Government isn't requiring all US based private companies share their data. Sure NSA, DHS, CIA, FBI and whoever else wants it CAN get the data from whomever they want but that US based company isn't required to by law unless invoked by said agency. Whereas any and ALL Chinese based companies or companies operating in their country are required to share all data to support their data warehouse.
Citizens controlled by CCP are under social credit system supported by these data sharing systems and laws in place. As they use a pilot for CBDC's dependent on social credit score, why would you openly choose sharing your data with the CCP? Data privacy won't be a thing for long when US based companies trial a similar system in the future, but for now there's less risk and exposure choosing non-CCP businesses for data harvesting. Over exposure to advertising firms is the main issue for now, but it will get worse.
I use a Samsung A71 with a Snapdragon 730 and a Razer Kishi for streaming games from Game Pass and my PC and it works amazingly well. Good concept on Logitech's side, but like you said, I like to consume media and do other stuff on my phone.
I own exactly the same phone + Kishi and it's a way more compelling option for mobile gaming than the G Cloud.
This review sold me on a G Cloud and I love it! It's such a great device for around the house so I dont have to be tethered to my PC or console set up all the time.
One major problem I have with this is that Linus thinks the only major competitor this thing has is the steam deck.
Ayn Odin: Android hand-held (much much stronger than this thing) 200$ for the lite or 240$ for the base model, dedicated gaming device that can be used for local gaming, emulators or streaming
Aya neo air plus: Intel Pentium alderlake CPU, 1080p display for 250$. You can get an actual windows machine for 250$ and Logitech wants me to buy a potato for 300
this was one of your best review videos. you really do this style well and clearly point out both the good and bad. this presentation style really rocks compared to some of the other ways you have done videos in the past. i really like it. you are a great presenter and this style of dialog works very well for both your voice and tempo. ;) great job...
A true master of his craft
7:28 The steam deck would also not get loud or hot during cloud gaming... and it's power consumption is minimal pushing 4-5h+ gaming, the only real issue is the weight.
I don't really understand the purpose of a cloud gaming mobile device. When i play mobile games, it's usually in a place where wifi is not accessible, like a plane, or subway, or back of the car on the way to grandma's, where she also has no wifi. It's not that I want all mobile games to be single player experiences, it's that I NEED them to be.
me too, offline games is a must.
I think for most people the pricing being so close to the Steam Deck is a huge problem when you could do so much more with Valve's product.
As someone with an Ayn Odin, I just already have everything this can do with a better soc for Android and emulation anyway lmao, been playing modded windwaker with the hd texture mod at 2.25x locked 30 and it's been a dream along with streaming. I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention it as a competitor, it's a more apt comparison than the deck.
Yeah, e.g. the Odin Lite is on special for $229 (norm $270), has a Mediatek D900 which is ~20% faster CPU, 40% faster GPU, often up to twice as fast in games, and should have a similar battery life.
@@Masterrunescapeer yep plus the SIM support
That was the best sponsor segue I've heard from Linus yet.
I bought that ShortCircuit hoodie+sweatpants deal yesterday, there wasn't anything cool in the bonus bin then. Also wish they had been doing both deals the same day, would've liked to get a mystery hoodie as well with the same order since those expensive shipping costs+tax are at least half of the mystery hoodies price.
Thank you. I appreciate the review. Honestly, I want to see LogiTech successful with their product. There is a lot of room in the marketplace for many who may not have SteamDeck or Nintendo in mind… Also, there will be a good bit of appeal for those with physical limitations, and maybe those who don’t mind the trade-offs compared to the big two in the marketplace. “Big” respect for how you handled and managed this. Kudos over the top.
So at 6:01 I got an ltt store black friday voice over that interrupted the video as it still played, then throwing the audio 25 seconds out of sync for the rest of the video. This cant just be me right? I see no one mentioning it
The audio unsynchronized following the cyber Monday deals.
This problem is noticeable on the TV app but no problem with android app on smartphone.
Yeah noticed this as well, was super confused what happened until I went to my phone.
3:35 Tencent being involved is a 100% absolute deal breaker for me.
Totally, don't want my whole life to get in the CCP's servers
Picked one up a few weeks ago. I spend all of my time on Xbox cloud gaming when I'm not at home. If you are like me, this handheld does everything I want and more. Linus's review was spot on. But, given the price point for the device and the reviews I read before purchasing; I felt like I knew what to expect. If someone I knew played Xbox cloud gaming like I do and wanted a handheld, I wouldn't have any reservations recommending the Logitech.
this review accomplished something you probably weren't expecting..., i completely forgot devices like the steamdesk and the ayaneo existed and i need to look at availability again.
I'd actually see a tencent sponsorship as a game breaker, but sure everyone it's own I guess
I can't express how much I appreciate that titles actually describe the videos now.
2:19 - "...and a consumer-friendly approach to user repair." - That will always get my vote. That is the future, for the consumer and the planet.
Looking sick but its kinda expensive for a cloud gaming device no one will buy it i think.
This is something unknowing parents buy for their kids and once they get a real console this goes in a drawer until they move out and find it
Yep! Destined for e-waste
not to mention half of its functionality could die within the next 5 years making it useless for anything serious. at lest the steam deck can be used as a low power PC if steam dies tomorrow but i am not sure if this device will be usable if the services die.
They could take advantage of the partnership with Tencent, advertise the device as a super optimized Teamfight tactics, Legends of Runetera, Fortnite, Wild Rift, etc machine, and even sell it at cost or at a loss counting with the revenue it could bring with micro transactions in those games
I don't know Linus, I was all over cloud streaming for a while but the input delay will likely never be perfect (especially if it's using wifi). Even on a 5G signal, you're going to be dealing with RF interference from household appliances, harmonic resonance, and various other disturbances. Unless that can be ironed out, I see the steam deck as the superior device since it doesn't need to be streamed at all.
This is coming from someone who owned the OG Shield, the K1 Tablet, and a hacked switch with android for the same purpose. I've also tried doing it on a seperate network, while stepping my home network down to 2.5GHz, so the 5GHz connection will be exclusive to the streaming device. Same problems. For cloud streaming, I would almost recommend ditching wifi all together and finding a proprietary device to carry the signal (like a USB dongle). I don't think this is a thing however.
I have yet to meet someone who can prove that they are actually able to distinguish between local and streamed games through their perceived "input lag." Honestly, it's a non-issue nowadays. If you have any noticeable lag, it's more likely to be your local device - streaming can take up some performance, depending on what you're doing. "Input lag", just like ultra high framerates are mostly placebos. If you play a game on GeForce Now in 1440p 120 fps and with 8 ms ping, there is no input lag that someone outside the pro gaming space would notice.
@@Nitidus You haven't met me. Why would you ever want to rely on streaming when you can process everything locally. Their is so many thing that can interfere with signal. Big pipes running through the house, Neighbors WiFi, wireless printers, your other consoles or computers or 5G Verizon lines if you are near the city like me. I would say try a fighting game and you will see the latency. Wireless gaming isn't where it needs to be right now, this thing will be $150 in 2 months.
@@Nitidus I've never played a streamed game that I could tolerate, due to input lag. And I do try again every few months because I eventually start wondering "Was it really that bad, or am I too critical?"
@@Nitidus Any competitive gamer could easily tell there is input lag. Casual and some casual competitive gamers might not notice it at all.
@@Nitidus oh you can totally perceive a few frames of input lag. For context I play kaizo mario hacks with retroarch and if I don't enable run-ahead of about 2-3 frames, I notice that mario just jumps a bit too late.
$150 makes a lot of sense. I could see them selling at that price. At $350 there's not a chance. The Steam Deck is amazing and I use it 90% of the time despite having an ultrawide desktop setup and PS5.
Valve just completely dominated the market. $400 for the Steam Deck is a ridiculous price point and nobody can compete with that. It's an amazing piece of tech that should cost double what it does.
In a world where the Steam Deck doesn't exist, $300 isn't awful for this device. But for an extra $100, Steam Deck is such a better drive than this in every way.
This was a great review. It felt different. Honest, genuine
8:34 battery life has always been a strong point for Logitech in my experience. Their 12 month+ claims on mice are surprisingly pretty realistic.
I have a very basic wireless KBM Combo that I bought October of 2018. I use it for work 5 days a week. It is still using the Duracell OEM battery that it came with. Big jump from this combo to the G Cloud, but the point stands
Yeah i have three Logitech mouse, and their battery claim is realistic and not exaggerated like other manufacture.
I agree with some points here, but I disagree with most of it. For the minimal difference of $50 on an already $300 product, the Steam Deck is an absolute no brainer and huge win as an actual portable system.
1. It's a portable system. If you're buying it solely to sit on the couch or in bed while gaming from your PC in the other room, this sounds like a good buy. However, the minute you want to take it out of the house and game on the go, the need to be tethered to a high speed, low latency, high data cap connection kills any proposition of usefulness. Either A) you buy an expensive unlimited data plan AND run a mobile hotspot (something carrier phones often charge extra for, which complicates things for non-technical users) or B) you better be somewhere with solid free WiFi available. Good luck at airports. Good luck at a lot of hotels that offer limited or trial tier WiFi. Good luck on planes, trains, cruise ships, or in the car. 15 hours of battery life might last you an entire trans-Atlantic flight but if you have no reliable connection you have nothing to play (other than barely-performing Android games due to the weak hardware).
2. Tencent? And the bootloader "might be" unlocked? Get out of here with that nonsense. Bootloader unlocking should be mandatory. If you can't put an operating system of your choice (preferably one not tied to one of the biggest data mining operations in video gaming) then you barely actually own the hardware. Steam Deck lets you run SteamOS, other flavors of Linux, Windows, or pretty much anything else you would want to use or create. I could see this G Cloud device being a fairly nice ARM Linux system, but with a locked bootloader that will never happen.
3. Steam Deck and G Cloud aren't the only options. There are other Android handhelds that do have unlocked bootloaders and stock Android builds (though still from China, so not 100% sure on the trustworthiness, but you don't have to sign a Tencent EULA to use them) and these you can run ARM Linux on. Anbernic makes a bunch of these along with some other companies. The SoC might not be as good but for purely streaming it doesn't matter much.
This doesn't even begin to touch on just how anti-consumer cloud gaming can be. You pay a lot and you own nothing in many instances. Stadia was probably the worst offender, so I'm glad that is dead in the water. Steam Link and GeForce Now aren't bad since you're playing games you already own on Steam, but paying to "own" something that is entirely in the cloud means they can cut you off whenever they want and no amount of hacking, cracking, etc. will preserve your games. At least with Steam there is a chance that some cracks will be developed to run the games in the event the company kills off the servers or removes the game from Steam.
I'll accept their sponsorship. How much do they owe me?
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Both Logitech and LTT come out looking great in this. I love getting to peak behind the “curtain” and seeing it look clean!
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Just me or does the audio get messed up?
Same here, I was scrolling through the comments wondering how come no one has called this out
Cloud gaming largely feels like it's a solution in search of a problem. Hardware is so cheap that the price point of cloud streaming isn't a huge advantage. The Game Pass Ultimate or PS Plus Premium make a lot more sense as a compliment to hardware than trying to replace it. Even then, you can just remote play off your home console to begin with
IP. Cloud is all about not owning anything any more so pirating will almost disappear. They want to sell you a cash cow monthly service not something you own. Cloud is all about that business model.
My issue with it was the lack of a cellular option. Being limited to Wifi really does hamstring the portable gaming.
But how good would cellular cloud gaming even work? You need really a good connection.
just create an acces point with you phone ??? I mean, who would purchase Data plan for a gaming device that ain't a phone anyways ???
5G is still shit lol.
It's gonna need to be an amazing data connection to handle game streaming tbh. My phone's 4G can barely handle decent quality youtube videos sometimes, can't imagine a game through it.
@@VexAcer depends where you live basically and how good the device is itself to handle it. I have samsung s22 that has 5g but only goes 4g where I am yet it's still pretty fast for me, downloading games that's like 2gb in like less than a min
LTT store promo audio is there but the video is not, so the entire back half of the video is completely out of sync with the audio
It's amazing to me how much it reveals the "comment before watching video" ratio as I could not find another comment mentioning this issue with the video. There might be one but it's gotta be buried because I scrolled quite a bit.
@@Tempo1337 It doesn't appear to be an issue on phones, might be on computer, but I noticed the issue on my Roku. I don't think most people are seeing the issue.
If I was Logitech, I would pay you for a review as well... this video was probably the best help they could get to fix issues and make a better version next time... Every company struggles in it's first launch, Logitch G Cloud 2 might be worth a shot
I'm still waiting on a switch pro or 2... Just something to get better performance. There are tons of people that will pay money for that upgrade
@@ScoobyDont10 100% agreed
I do love that you did still review their product unbias regardless of not if they paid you. Keep this great content up!
it's a better way of saying, i got a free review unit so here i go!
Well its not just that, in the future they wont trust to send a unit without prior contract, and other brands will see this and follow suit, its bigger than this one paycheck
They 100% paid him don’t believe these TH-camrs, all shady
@@TheOnlyIncognito They didn't pay him though. TH-camrs legally have to disclose sponsorships.
Already have the steam deck, gotta say yes it's cumbersome but the pros of it being standalone , and then also in the dock give me a nearly lag free solution for streaming from my PC is hands down worth it. This just seems like a halfway fix for alot of issues in exchange for it being lightweight...
These are the moment that make you realize that Linus is truly a man of his words and principles. Nowadays it’s soo hard to find public figures who wouldn’t throw their words away for money.
I mean he probably has multiple sponsorship requests.
He is rich enough he can afford to. Same way Elon doesn't necessarily need to profit from Twitter.
@@mrmarecki1 I mean he basically had three different sponsorships in this video.
Wtf is going on with audio after the black friday/cyber monday audio plays???
PDQ was the off brand Trash service we had to use cause the city wouldn't pick up in our region cause it was technically outside the city. Yet the city bus ran there regularly IDK Nashville has some of the most Effed in the A logic of anyplace I've ever seen.
This video got messed up and out of sync on my TV...
I still have the original Nvidia shield portable. It truly felt revolutionary back in 2013. I do say that Logitech iteration, aesthetically, looks very slick as opposed to the steam decks clunky look. Always wait for gen2 versions.
It came into the market way too late when handheld market has blossom. While it tackles the different market than the deck, the actual competitors for this has better specs for similar price. Thanks for the review linus.
It also benefits from being able to be bought by the end consumer rather than being available only for a handful of areas and everyone else can suck it and go to the secondary market, paying over three times what the device is worth, on the cheap end.
Here's a question. Why should I buy this when a BT or USB C controller for my phone is much cheaper? (And I DO mean the full xbox layout snap-on controllers.)
@@wojtek-33 And I'm still awaiting a GOOD answer for why I should bother with this instant e-waste.
@@wojtek-33 My current phone has a 2560x1080p120hz display and doean't melt playing a videi stream from steam link, my old phone had a 1280x720p60hz display, and the one before that had a 640x480p60hz display, neither got hot playing video. Only that older phone (An xperia E4G) makes this remotely worthwhile. This has to be better than a phone that can accept a gamepad and even in just the last couple of years 1080p display phones that don't melt themselves have become plentiful.
I'm glad Logitech sent them the device, even when the sponsorship wasn't confirmed. It allows for high quality reviews like this to occur, which strengthens the perception of respect and value of the brand.
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This is a fantastic review. Thanks for reviewing this device. Looks like a very compelling device especially with how the battery life is so much longer than the steam deck. Also it has much higher resolution screen and it's a lot more lighter and probably more comfortable.
awesome review, you guys kind of do things in a way other reviewers often do not. Talking about how to enjoy a product by understand for whom it is designed for, and giving constructive criticism and recommendations for an eventual purchase, A+ guys!
Ah yes, the G cloud. Otherwise known as the device thats basically a smartphone but crappier, can't make calls and costs as much as a steam deck.
it actually sounds like a cool concept but tbh, in my country, cloud gaming is almost impossible, unlimited data packages are way too expensive, and probably not the best quality, at least for me I'm still planning on buying a deck, but I really like the G Cloud's desing specially
As a Steam Deck owner I actually support this thing. Put a quality screen and speakers in a portable body and cut costs with weaker hardware makes perfect sense if they turn it into a perfect streaming device capable of streaming from your PC, Xbox and PS5. Most of us have at least one of those systems but we don't always want to sit Infront of the monitor/TV. If remote, we could do cloud gameplay and it will be enough. The best though would be the battery life. I just started doing this with my Steam Deck and WOW, just WOW. I'm using Moolight and Sunshine on PC and I don't even feel the latency.
Steamdeck has reignited my passion for gaming. It's awesome.
Same here, since been a dad just didn't have the time / ability to go to my pc and play, played some on Parsec with a nexus 7 with controler but wasn't that good steamdeck is just what I needed esp with the suspend 👌 best 450 I ever spent for the 64gb model + 1tb SSD upgrade
@@simonupton-millard exactly. The suspend is such a great feature. It enables me to be an adult and game!
I ended up ordering one thinking it would fit my use case we'll, which it actually does. I mainly wanted something in a switch form factor that I could use steam link with to stream games from my gaming PC. It's actually really close to being amazing for this use case. The screen is vibrant and crisp, it feels really good in the hands, and I had almost no noticable latency when playing.
Unfortunately, this video doesn't cover just HOW bad the dead zones are on the joysticks. It's not just that there's a dead zone in the middle, there's also dead zones along the cardinal directions. What this means is if you want to input a direction that's to the right but slightly up, you literally can't, it'll register as strictly right. Racing games are bad, but shooters are pretty much unplayable if you want even a semi decent experience
This honest review is why I love watching your videos. I've been into cloud gaming for a while and am already interested in what you have to say about all of this. I would rather have this kind of honesty about a product than someone promoting it bc it's a brand name.
Probably the only AD at the end I watched to make up for his sacrifice of a double sponsorship for this great review.