Don't go for stability. Stability doesn't mean that much on hand cannons anymore since people figured out that the fire rate of handcannons is slow enough to get your stability back to center after each shot anyway. Go for the range perk and you'll quickly find out that your shots will connect even when they shouldn't. This is all info I got from the crucible handbook subreddit and holds true.
They should buff the Maverick perk so that it generates the bullet back into your magazine instead of pulling from your reserves. It makes no sense why No Time To Explain only has to deal headshot damage to regenerate ammo but the Ace of Spades has to get a precision kill.
I go for Rifled Barrel. It makes the gun infinitely more effective. The decrease to stability doesn't make too much of a difference. The recoil settles quickly and countering the recoil isn't much of a problem.
Personally i love this HC after the April update. 3rd eye is essential for PVP and as noted by Pat in PVE landing those critical shots really helps keep the fun going.
+Adriel Morales honestly, tlaloc is only exceptional when you are supercharged. Using it outside of that has no benefit over other legendary weapons of the same archetype. Fabian strategy is also good, but the main perk doesn't work to a noticeable degree. You are again, better off using other legendary autos or zhalo supercell. Ace of Spades actually stands on its own and isn't entirely niche.
they're different weapon types and can't be compared. AoS: close range scouts: medium-long range pulse: medium range They're all good at something the other isn't good at
+Josh K I would disagree. I absolutely wreck with my SUROS Regime yr 2. Also my Answering Chord, Red Spectre, Some Hakke auto(forgot name), and Almost any SUROS auto. They're just not OP like they used to be in Year 1
I'd just like to let people know that for this tier of handcannon it will only require 1 headshot to get the three shot kill. Only one of 3 shots must be a head shot, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HIT ALL 3 SHOTS TO THE HEAD. This small thing has helped me plenty as when I use these kind of HCs I will usually only try to hit the first as a head shot and then the other as body shots as they are easier to hit. For the Ace of Spades you could instead try to make sure that your 3rd shot is a headshot to proc the mavericks perk.
actually on April 12th 2016 there was going to be in April update which means that Hand cannons are going to get a buff which means they're going to increase the amount of Reserve ammo
+Samuel Campana Do you want an explanation of what the other two do? The tlaloc is a well rounded omolon scout with eye of the storm, grenadier and ''overflow'' which increases your RoF stability and handling when your super is full (is godly for self rez sunsingers). The Fabian Strategy is just a work horse. It's a beastly auto rifle with crowd control, life support and a slightly bugged perk but great stats. The bugged perk is supposed to increase RoF and damage when near enemies.
Jack Allen I just wanted to know the names of the specific exotic class weapons, yet I do appreciaite the explanation my last information was about which rank from the gunsmith but it is rank 3 but forgot which one is for rank 5 :)
Best Part? It has the SAME Impact as Hawkmoon, and only 1 Bullet less in the mag. They're equals. Hawkmoon can dish out more damage with it's Lucky Round bonuses, while Ace Of Spades doesn't need that because of Third Eye. Maverick when used right in PVE Can potentially dish out more damage to Tier 1 Enemies than Hawkmoon, while Hawkmoon excels more at higher Tier enemies. In PVP, Hawkmoon can dish out more DMG at ranges with it's higher range stat, Ace of Spades Excels at close ranges with it's higher stability. (This is with the perks BTW) which makes Either of them a good weapon to use.
Hand Cannons are now more difficult to use for mid-range precision hits, which is why it blows my mind on why First Curse's stat buffing perks isn't great.
is there a reason to upgrade this to 310? i could do it but i'm waiting for an omago loop to drop which might take the rest of the year... i have a hawkmoon too, but for general use; the ace of spades is my go to hand cannon (love the spin too).
I love handcannons so I am sad I can't use this on my warlock. Quick question though, is this only obtainable with a hunter or can I get it with a warlock and transfer it to hunter via vault. I'm asking because I havent leveled my hunter.
LOVE this gun. When I first heard about it I immediately started leveling up the Gunsmith with my Hunter (my primary character). Sometimes when I'm playing I'll put on "Ace of Spades" by Motorhead and just go on a hand cannon spree. :-P 10 out of 10 in my book!
Just a quick recommendation for this gun if you have then you'll most likely have stillpiercer (the reward from the rank 2 questline) which pairs perfectly with this because of its extra ammo pick up form each pvp crate 6 instead of four makes up for ace of spades low ammo reserves as you can get special quicker
+Crimson Fox I prefer vanity too. Bad Juju simply has a better perk than AoS so if you can put away the fact that it's not a handcannon, you'll never have to reload if you kill things (you can even kill red bar minotaurs in a single mag because it has 9 bursts), you'll get a damage buff after a kill and you'll charge your super at the same time. Since handacannons got nerfed on the range, Juju has more range too and fires in full auto. the choice is pretty easy.
Man, they really need to increase the amount of reserve ammo for hand cannons. It's very hard for me to justify carrying my Imago Loop or Ace of Spades in King's Fall because the fear of running out of primary ammo is very real.
Personally prefer Braced Frame over Perfect Balance. At least in PvE. Recoil isn't too tough to control and getting precision hits on longer ranged targets is noticeably easier.
I see why there is a complain about low reserves, but this gun is pretty much only going to be used in PvE, and primary ammo is an extremely common drop from killing enemies of any type.
+PlanetDestiny What do you think about this for an exotic Fatebringer? What if there is an exotic version of the most popular raid weapon from both VoG and Crota? Well there is am exotic version of Black Hammer from Crota which is now Black Spindle. Fatebringer is hands down the most popular gun from the VoG and I miss using it, but I don't know if other people do though. So, if it's out there hidden like Black Spindle or not at all yet, I have an idea for an exotic Fatebringer. It would have the exact same perks and stats it already had except for its new exotic perk, "Fatebringer". This perk would grant Fatebringer 1.5% of normal damage on precision hits after a precision kill. This would stack up to 20 seconds max, and per precision kill would grant 5 seconds. So four kills and there you have the perk active for 20 seconds. Any more precision kills after that just provides the timer an extra 5 seconds, but not able to stack above 20 seconds. So 16 seconds would return to 20 seconds after a precision kill and 8 seconds to 13 seconds after a precision kill. And for the burn? Of course it would be arc, it wouldn't be Fatebringer without that too. So the exotic version of Fatebringer with its signature perk, what do you think of this gun/idea?
***** I don't have a problem with it. Just saying what that person meant. I've heard that the First Curse and The Last Word are tied in to the lore but where does the Ace of Spades fit in? The Ace of Spades was made by Banshee and, I think, Cayde for the Guardian. I was just wondering because I'm curious and like the guns a lot.
my friend says only people that plaid from year one use hand cannons for pve and that they are usless outside of pvp is this true? was thinking of grabing this but if thats true idk...
+Cadetdude yup, using hawkmoon right now but working on getting this. just need to dismantle more hand canons for 3 more weapon parts and it is mine. just hard to get hand canon drops.
all I play is hand cannons, I mean I'm from year 1 but they are a good gun, but they are high risj, high reward weapons, if you have good aim you, but problem is if you miss a shot, that can cause then killing you before you can kill them
I run for this gun the minute I dicover how to get it, and man it its good, if Bungie could cut us a break and add some reserve ammo for it would be awesome, I don't need any more buffs to be happy with it. And why cut ammo from HC's? I cannot undestand the reasoning behind it
Am I the only one who is so glad that there are no elemental primaries? Now they're will be so much variety with people's choices. (Tlaloc is a little too good with overflow or whatever it's called, Fruit is a god wth Fabian strategy, and Ace of Spades is really solid.) I love the class specifics, only thing I find a little unfair is how good stillpiercer is compared to susanoo and the Titan shotgun (let's be honest, all Titans are sunbreakers now) &and I'm loving how long it's taking to level up, not like HoW where people were 34 first day, now it's taken(pun intended) a while to get at a good level, and thank fuck reforging is gone. Nice vid
I'm glad someone recognized the awesomeness in this hand cannon, so much hate on it (cough Rhabby cough) if you don't know who that is you don't know mr fruit
I like using Imago Loop I got back in Week 1 of TTK with a Triple Tap, Will of Light, and Mulligan combo and it saved my life alot but now I love my Zarinaea D with Persistence, High Caliber Rounds, and Army of One because they go hand in hand with Chain of Woe, and Scavenger. But anyway I am having trouble with the Warlock's second rank Gunsmith quest cause I can't find any rare/legendary fusion rifles does anyone have any advice of where to look?
I think holding aces should belong to the ace of spades, not the hawkmoon. It would make much more sense. Also, instead of firefly, it should be fireflies, which instead of one explosion, it will cause three rapid explosions. Maverik should be landing precion shots instead of landing precision kills. Finally this is a perk I made up, instead of third eye it should be deck of aces, reloading the ace of spades causes the last three targets killed by precision hits will each explode twice. This way this exotic will feel exotic, not legendary. Warlocks can have an op class specfic exotic, why can't hunters?
I know I'm late, but if those were the actual perks it would be ridiculously overpowered. With Maverik if it was landing prescision hits it would have either have infinite ammo, or never having to reload until your reserves run out. For Firefly, if you're already landing them prescision hits for Maverik three explosions seem like a bit of overkill and would just kill everything in a massive radius. For Deck of Aces you would either have to miss a headshot or waste a shot to reload because Maverik gives you near infinite ammo. I think you had the right idea in mind but you just need to tone it down a bit.
why not use reinforced barrel on this weapon ? i feel that with the changes to how range works and how it boost your accuracy, this is the perfect choice to make up for the hand cannon nerf. yeah sure the stability goes out the window, but hand cannons are supposed to be paced when shooting now and not just spammed like the three exotic hand cannons of vanilla. i dont know i just always boost range on my hand cannons as much as possible now since the increase to accuracy that goes along with it is VERY strong and makes a huge difference, especially on this weapon
The low ammo reserve makes this gun and Hawkmoon unusable in PvE. Playing with them makes you feel like juggler is on, even when it isn't. And I actually don't think that's even related to the 2.0 update is it? I know they lowered base magazine size on hand cannons, but I don't think they touched reserve ammo at all, except for that which is added by field scout. Hawkmoon has always had terrible reserves as far as I remember. But either way, using both of these weapons, you very quickly run out of ammo if you aren't constantly switching to a special. That doesn't happen with any other archetype. Maybe auto rifles, but you have to be really wasting ammo. Which is completely unfair to the hand cannon class, and it's part of the reason why you never see them anymore. I also really hate the twirling animation when you switch to this weapon, because on both Ace of Spades and The Last Word, it adds some kind of cool-down to your swap time. So when you switch to it, you can cancel the animation by aiming down sights immediately, which is no different that you would do with any other gun, but you won't be able to fire for another second or so because the game is technically "finishing" the animation. That is actually a serious problem in the heat of a gunfight.
+Jeremie May If you keep pulling the trigger while it's in the spinning animation, it will cancel the animation once the "cooldown" is finished and begin firing.
It'd be too powerful if it were to stay in year one. Seriously. Did you see the stats on the armoury before TTK launched? It had 12 bullets. 12! Plus, more reserves, range and such. Really, it's a great gun and definitely worthy of being a exotic (I also like the looks, cause it's black and white, just like the Ace of Spades card)
I really like this hand cannon, sure, it's not the most powerful exotic around, but it has some really convenient perks for a hand cannon. The maverick perk is not too powerful or op but it really comes in handy sometimes. Plus, who does not like firefly? Reguardless of how useless it is in pvp
I would love to know why Bungie nerfed reserve ammo for hand cannons because to me it makes no sense at all to do that. It's made it so that I rarely use them in pve because I know I'm probably going to run out of ammo at some point and be screwed.
+Julio Hernandez It's because there's so much content to cover. Back in HoW there wasn't to many activities events or secrets to cover so they just went ham on weapon reviews I think we can expect more weapon reviews later on.
Sorry about the video being private for a bit. Accidentally let it go up before it was fully processed.
no problem, thanks for the video!
Its alright besides i got to see behind the scenes of the video too on stream
Keep up the good work
With the range upgrade it out snipes Hawkmoon
+Patrick Casey please do a review of the khostov!!!! PLEASEEEE!!!!!
Don't go for stability. Stability doesn't mean that much on hand cannons anymore since people figured out that the fire rate of handcannons is slow enough to get your stability back to center after each shot anyway. Go for the range perk and you'll quickly find out that your shots will connect even when they shouldn't. This is all info I got from the crucible handbook subreddit and holds true.
Not many people realize this. I do the same and I get head shots for days....
+Rafahil AMEN brother. Reinforced Barrel is the way to go over Perfect Balance totally agree with you.
+Rafahil And the recoil isnt that bad either
Have the 100%agree if your good with hand cannons.
Yup
Love this gun! One of my new favorites now for PVE. Used it a ton the other day in tribute to the death of Lemmy
+Dovah Dane me too lol
"I'm Coming Home Ace..."
Edwin Flores stop😭
They should buff the Maverick perk so that it generates the bullet back into your magazine instead of pulling from your reserves. It makes no sense why No Time To Explain only has to deal headshot damage to regenerate ammo but the Ace of Spades has to get a precision kill.
yes
+CrayZ It does make sense though.
what if u replaced thrid eye with triple tap?
+Montyrae's gaming channel no
+Montyrae's gaming channel that would literally make it even worse.
best hand cannons:
Ace of Spades
Hawkmoon
The Last Word
Imaga Loop
BABY HAWKMOON (Eyasluna)
why is ace on there? It's pretty trashy honestly
+Charlie Rost An even better question is why is TLW on the list? It's shit in PvE, and ok in PvP.
+Extraammo2000 Yeah.
+Ethan Risden remove hawkmoon and replace with the first curse.
@@alexanderwittman5340 first curse is underrated
This is the single best weapon in the game for tanking golgoroth, and the fact it can be used by nightstalkers makes it even better.
This is a great gun, I also like the little sound you get after a precision kill reloads the bullet.
I go for Rifled Barrel. It makes the gun infinitely more effective. The decrease to stability doesn't make too much of a difference. The recoil settles quickly and countering the recoil isn't much of a problem.
Personally i love this HC after the April update. 3rd eye is essential for PVP and as noted by Pat in PVE landing those critical shots really helps keep the fun going.
Cayde-6 dies and this is his weapon...
"I feel bad that only hunters get this solid hand cannon". Tlaloc and Fabian Strategy are both really solid weapons.
+Adriel Morales honestly, tlaloc is only exceptional when you are supercharged. Using it outside of that has no benefit over other legendary weapons of the same archetype. Fabian strategy is also good, but the main perk doesn't work to a noticeable degree. You are again, better off using other legendary autos or zhalo supercell. Ace of Spades actually stands on its own and isn't entirely niche.
I miss the days of primarily using Fatebringer tbh.
So I also have an Imago Loop but it has Will of Light instead of Firefly. Is the imago going to be better that AoS bexause of the WoL?
Ace of spades is like everything we liked from yr 1 hand cannons pumped into 1 yr 2 hand cannon
what does high caliber rounds do? make enemies flinch?
Noob question, what do the red cross hair-esk things on the adds in the gameplay come from?
Nightstalker perk
Thanks
I have question! Does Firefly inflict Solar Damage regardless of weapon's element?
One of the strongest hand cannons in the game right now, but still worse than your average pulse/scout rifle.
they're different weapon types and can't be compared.
AoS: close range
scouts: medium-long range
pulse: medium range
They're all good at something the other isn't good at
+Team Fruit except ARs, they suck at literally everything still
+Josh K I would disagree. I absolutely wreck with my SUROS Regime yr 2. Also my Answering Chord, Red Spectre, Some Hakke auto(forgot name), and Almost any SUROS auto. They're just not OP like they used to be in Year 1
So true. You just have to find that "optimal range" when using hand cannons. I would say they're best at close-mid range.
+Team Fruit You try out the Paleocontact? It's beautiful on the right maps.
As soon as this hand cannon was discovered. I knew it was going to be a beast.
hopefully in the future, titans and warlocks can use this too.
Gaara hmmmmm
titans got their hammers, warlocks get their thunders and us "hunters" get the sweet sweet spinning ace of spades.
Nope , you get a bow :)
+A Lost eagle and sweet spinning
Twirls fer them girls
I'd just like to let people know that for this tier of handcannon it will only require 1 headshot to get the three shot kill. Only one of 3 shots must be a head shot, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HIT ALL 3 SHOTS TO THE HEAD. This small thing has helped me plenty as when I use these kind of HCs I will usually only try to hit the first as a head shot and then the other as body shots as they are easier to hit. For the Ace of Spades you could instead try to make sure that your 3rd shot is a headshot to proc the mavericks perk.
For the ammo i would say go for the primary ammo if you have the skyburners annex cus the orbs give you ammo anyway
where do we get the stats of each weapons?
db.planetdestiny.com/items/weapons?tier=16
How is the fabian strategy on par with the ace of spades and tlaloc? Titans got screwed...
Hey i just got Ace of spades AND Zhalo supercell on my hunter, the both seem like really awesome weapons, but which one of the best, what do u think ?
so does the range on the weapons affect the damage drop off
yes
+Owen It also has effects on accuracy and aim assist falloff.
now i really want to have the ace of spades...well guess i'll have some guns to test
what class where you using with the ace of spades?
Hunter exclusive
Nightstalker. It's the third hunter subclass
"Not too bad for a rare hand cannon.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" - Mr. Fruit
doesn't the increase to range help with the aim assist and and accuracy?
Currently my favorite weapon!
actually on April 12th 2016 there was going to be in April update which means that Hand cannons are going to get a buff which means they're going to increase the amount of Reserve ammo
Did you edit your voice so it sounds faster? @PlanetDestiny
Hello, I come from the future. This gun is pretty great. That is all.
excellent review and spot in ammo commentary on an under utilized HC.
so since ace is for hunters, are the other 2 class wepaons being found yet (titan & warlock)?, thanks.
Tlaloc for warlocks, Fabian strategy for titans
Ah cool thanks :) rank 3 on gunsmith right?
+Samuel Campana Yep. No problem
+Samuel Campana Do you want an explanation of what the other two do?
The tlaloc is a well rounded omolon scout with eye of the storm, grenadier and ''overflow'' which increases your RoF stability and handling when your super is full (is godly for self rez sunsingers).
The Fabian Strategy is just a work horse. It's a beastly auto rifle with crowd control, life support and a slightly bugged perk but great stats. The bugged perk is supposed to increase RoF and damage when near enemies.
Jack Allen I just wanted to know the names of the specific exotic class weapons, yet I do appreciaite the explanation my last information was about which rank from the gunsmith but it is rank 3 but forgot which one is for rank 5 :)
Best Part? It has the SAME Impact as Hawkmoon, and only 1 Bullet less in the mag. They're equals. Hawkmoon can dish out more damage with it's Lucky Round bonuses, while Ace Of Spades doesn't need that because of Third Eye. Maverick when used right in PVE Can potentially dish out more damage to Tier 1 Enemies than Hawkmoon, while Hawkmoon excels more at higher Tier enemies. In PVP, Hawkmoon can dish out more DMG at ranges with it's higher range stat, Ace of Spades Excels at close ranges with it's higher stability. (This is with the perks BTW) which makes Either of them a good weapon to use.
Hawkmoon has 13 rounds not 11..
As part of Update 2.0, all Hand Cannons lost 2 Bullets in the Magazine. Without the Nerf, Ace of Spades would have twelve
This is my go to exotic primary for hunter when not using the likes of black spindle or touch of malice.
I love u planet destiny
Hand Cannons are now more difficult to use for mid-range precision hits, which is why it blows my mind on why First Curse's stat buffing perks isn't great.
I'll just stick to my Imago Loop with Outlaw and Firefly ;)
I want that roll so bad
Do the Echo Chamber strike 10-15 times a day until you get it one day, took me 3 weeks.
Range is too low. I got that roll the very first time I played the strike lol
+Zaya Elya it drops on undying mind, not echo chamber
Drops from ant vex strike buddy
I do love the ace of spades!
They really should've made the magazine size 11, because, aces and all that
Oh, that would've been a cool reference.
is there a reason to upgrade this to 310? i could do it but i'm waiting for an omago loop to drop which might take the rest of the year... i have a hawkmoon too, but for general use; the ace of spades is my go to hand cannon (love the spin too).
Khvostov+three boxes of raisins=icemythohorn quest line
I loved how you wipped it out then twirled it for a second:)
What is that lock on thing?
Just got mine today, bout to put this bad boy to work!!!!
I love handcannons so I am sad I can't use this on my warlock. Quick question though, is this only obtainable with a hunter or can I get it with a warlock and transfer it to hunter via vault. I'm asking because I havent leveled my hunter.
LOVE this gun. When I first heard about it I immediately started leveling up the Gunsmith with my Hunter (my primary character). Sometimes when I'm playing I'll put on "Ace of Spades" by Motorhead and just go on a hand cannon spree. :-P 10 out of 10 in my book!
Just curious, is ace of spades still a good option for pve/pvp?
Yeah! It's amazing in pve and also really good in pvp! I still wreck with it in rumble vs clever dragons and matadors xD
Not the best but not the worst. Basically normal god roll legendary.
I had to come back and watch this again just for fun since Ace of Spades is confirmed to return with the D2 Forsaken Expansion!
CustomChallenge ah I see I’m not the only one
I love Ace of Spades! It's a great weapon.
Just a quick recommendation for this gun if you have then you'll most likely have stillpiercer (the reward from the rank 2 questline) which pairs perfectly with this because of its extra ammo pick up form each pvp crate 6 instead of four makes up for ace of spades low ammo reserves as you can get special quicker
Who's her after Cayde-6's death?
Was watching the stream where this review was made; cool shit to see it finally up here on TH-cam.
What about FWC's The Vanity ? Compared to this, which one.
I would use the Vanity since it doesn't waste an exotic slot.
+Crimson Fox I prefer vanity too. Bad Juju simply has a better perk than AoS so if you can put away the fact that it's not a handcannon, you'll never have to reload if you kill things (you can even kill red bar minotaurs in a single mag because it has 9 bursts), you'll get a damage buff after a kill and you'll charge your super at the same time. Since handacannons got nerfed on the range, Juju has more range too and fires in full auto. the choice is pretty easy.
vanity is wayyy better
+V0rtex 339 jealous? Explain. I have ace of spades kiddo
I have the imago loop and I used it extensively for pve.It was great.Firefly perk rips groups of enemies to shreds
Just got it. I'm in love now. Also, the weapon is really easy to get.
As a PvE player, this is a really great weapon if you like this type of playstyle
I would highly recommend it 👍🏻
Man, they really need to increase the amount of reserve ammo for hand cannons. It's very hard for me to justify carrying my Imago Loop or Ace of Spades in King's Fall because the fear of running out of primary ammo is very real.
Personally prefer Braced Frame over Perfect Balance. At least in PvE. Recoil isn't too tough to control and getting precision hits on longer ranged targets is noticeably easier.
Well I got my Ace of Spades but it's having a hard time keeping up with my Finnala's Peril (Sureshot/spray n play/rifled barrel/hidden hand).
Which gun is seen as better, the Tllaloc or Ace of Spades?m
tlaloc for pve, ace for pvp
+Mizzy Mike wait reverse the two
I see why there is a complain about low reserves, but this gun is pretty much only going to be used in PvE, and primary ammo is an extremely common drop from killing enemies of any type.
+PlanetDestiny What do you think about this for an exotic Fatebringer? What if there is an exotic version of the most popular raid weapon from both VoG and Crota? Well there is am exotic version of Black Hammer from Crota which is now Black Spindle. Fatebringer is hands down the most popular gun from the VoG and I miss using it, but I don't know if other people do though. So, if it's out there hidden like Black Spindle or not at all yet, I have an idea for an exotic Fatebringer. It would have the exact same perks and stats it already had except for its new exotic perk, "Fatebringer". This perk would grant Fatebringer 1.5% of normal damage on precision hits after a precision kill. This would stack up to 20 seconds max, and per precision kill would grant 5 seconds. So four kills and there you have the perk active for 20 seconds. Any more precision kills after that just provides the timer an extra 5 seconds, but not able to stack above 20 seconds. So 16 seconds would return to 20 seconds after a precision kill and 8 seconds to 13 seconds after a precision kill. And for the burn? Of course it would be arc, it wouldn't be Fatebringer without that too. So the exotic version of Fatebringer with its signature perk, what do you think of this gun/idea?
The animation for exotic hand cannons are becoming way too common now.
nope
+DizzyR Flux animation? how many ways do you expect a handcannon can recoil, reload or swapped to?
+Bakalar I think they meant the animation for swapping to the hand cannon. First Curse, Ace of Spades, and The Last Word all have similar animations.
yeah. because they are actually tied in together in terms of lore. thus, similar animation and aesthetics.
*****
I don't have a problem with it. Just saying what that person meant. I've heard that the First Curse and The Last Word are tied in to the lore but where does the Ace of Spades fit in? The Ace of Spades was made by Banshee and, I think, Cayde for the Guardian. I was just wondering because I'm curious and like the guns a lot.
Thx! This helped me chose this over my current red death!
Juju simply has a better perk than Ace of spades. I'll never put it away for firefly. If I want firefly, I'll take the vanity.
my friend says only people that plaid from year one use hand cannons for pve and that they are usless outside of pvp is this true? was thinking of grabing this but if thats true idk...
I wasn't too big on hand cannons but ever since I got the Ace I've been loving it
It isn't true. In pve handcanons are still great.
ok thanks so it is worth getting
+Cadetdude yup, using hawkmoon right now but working on getting this. just need to dismantle more hand canons for 3 more weapon parts and it is mine. just hard to get hand canon drops.
all I play is hand cannons, I mean I'm from year 1 but they are a good gun, but they are high risj, high reward weapons, if you have good aim you, but problem is if you miss a shot, that can cause then killing you before you can kill them
I run for this gun the minute I dicover how to get it, and man it its good, if Bungie could cut us a break and add some reserve ammo for it would be awesome, I don't need any more buffs to be happy with it. And why cut ammo from HC's? I cannot undestand the reasoning behind it
This gun is insanely good!
Am I the only one who is so glad that there are no elemental primaries? Now they're will be so much variety with people's choices. (Tlaloc is a little too good with overflow or whatever it's called, Fruit is a god wth Fabian strategy, and Ace of Spades is really solid.) I love the class specifics, only thing I find a little unfair is how good stillpiercer is compared to susanoo and the Titan shotgun (let's be honest, all Titans are sunbreakers now) &and I'm loving how long it's taking to level up, not like HoW where people were 34 first day, now it's taken(pun intended) a while to get at a good level, and thank fuck reforging is gone. Nice vid
I'm glad someone recognized the awesomeness in this hand cannon, so much hate on it (cough Rhabby cough) if you don't know who that is you don't know mr fruit
I like using Imago Loop I got back in Week 1 of TTK with a Triple Tap, Will of Light, and Mulligan combo and it saved my life alot but now I love my Zarinaea D with Persistence, High Caliber Rounds, and Army of One because they go hand in hand with Chain of Woe, and Scavenger. But anyway I am having trouble with the Warlock's second rank Gunsmith quest cause I can't find any rare/legendary fusion rifles does anyone have any advice of where to look?
Does it have a hidden perk
Hey does maverick mean ace of spades is like bad juju but a hand cannon
As long as you get precision kills yes, but if you use 8 bullets and get the kill on the 9th one, then the 9th one will be refunded
Why this mo fo pick perfect balance over reinforced barrel
I think holding aces should belong to the ace of spades, not the hawkmoon. It would make much more sense. Also, instead of firefly, it should be fireflies, which instead of one explosion, it will cause three rapid explosions. Maverik should be landing precion shots instead of landing precision kills. Finally this is a perk I made up, instead of third eye it should be deck of aces, reloading the ace of spades causes the last three targets killed by precision hits will each explode twice. This way this exotic will feel exotic, not legendary. Warlocks can have an op class specfic exotic, why can't hunters?
dude...wtf?
tf, I main a hunter, but this is...
Hire this man
I think it's quite an alright idea
I know I'm late, but if those were the actual perks it would be ridiculously overpowered. With Maverik if it was landing prescision hits it would have either have infinite ammo, or never having to reload until your reserves run out. For Firefly, if you're already landing them prescision hits for Maverik three explosions seem like a bit of overkill and would just kill everything in a massive radius. For Deck of Aces you would either have to miss a headshot or waste a shot to reload because Maverik gives you near infinite ammo. I think you had the right idea in mind but you just need to tone it down a bit.
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So, NTTE, then First Curse, then Fabian Strategy review?
1:38 oh god, taken psion flayers! Imagine that!
why not use reinforced barrel on this weapon ? i feel that with the changes to how range works and how it boost your accuracy, this is the perfect choice to make up for the hand cannon nerf. yeah sure the stability goes out the window, but hand cannons are supposed to be paced when shooting now and not just spammed like the three exotic hand cannons of vanilla. i dont know i just always boost range on my hand cannons as much as possible now since the increase to accuracy that goes along with it is VERY strong and makes a huge difference, especially on this weapon
This means I can't transfer this from my hunter to my Titan?
reinforced barrel also increases aim assist so I'd use that instead because I watched how the aim was all over the place with perfect balance. in it?
Fyi Ace reuses a old Paint job or skin as a year 1 hand cannon. It was a rare (blue) the only difference is the Blue was painted bronze & silver.
I think they should of made it so that you have to be a hunter to unlock it, but as soon as you unlock it all classes can use it.
The low ammo reserve makes this gun and Hawkmoon unusable in PvE. Playing with them makes you feel like juggler is on, even when it isn't. And I actually don't think that's even related to the 2.0 update is it? I know they lowered base magazine size on hand cannons, but I don't think they touched reserve ammo at all, except for that which is added by field scout. Hawkmoon has always had terrible reserves as far as I remember. But either way, using both of these weapons, you very quickly run out of ammo if you aren't constantly switching to a special. That doesn't happen with any other archetype. Maybe auto rifles, but you have to be really wasting ammo. Which is completely unfair to the hand cannon class, and it's part of the reason why you never see them anymore.
I also really hate the twirling animation when you switch to this weapon, because on both Ace of Spades and The Last Word, it adds some kind of cool-down to your swap time. So when you switch to it, you can cancel the animation by aiming down sights immediately, which is no different that you would do with any other gun, but you won't be able to fire for another second or so because the game is technically "finishing" the animation. That is actually a serious problem in the heat of a gunfight.
+Jeremie May If you keep pulling the trigger while it's in the spinning animation, it will cancel the animation once the "cooldown" is finished and begin firing.
I really liked the Red Hand, didn't know they brought it.. Oh wait.
IMO the ace of spades is the best gun for the golgoroth fight if you are drawing gaze, moreso if you are in HM
what sniper is that?
It'd be too powerful if it were to stay in year one. Seriously. Did you see the stats on the armoury before TTK launched? It had 12 bullets. 12! Plus, more reserves, range and such. Really, it's a great gun and definitely worthy of being a exotic (I also like the looks, cause it's black and white, just like the Ace of Spades card)
Why is the name of the vid planetdestiny?
And a bunch of other exotic weapon reviews?
I really like this hand cannon, sure, it's not the most powerful exotic around, but it has some really convenient perks for a hand cannon. The maverick perk is not too powerful or op but it really comes in handy sometimes. Plus, who does not like firefly? Reguardless of how useless it is in pvp
I would love to know why Bungie nerfed reserve ammo for hand cannons because to me it makes no sense at all to do that. It's made it so that I rarely use them in pve because I know I'm probably going to run out of ammo at some point and be screwed.
Is icebreaker even viable anymore?
Only in low light level activities and crucible. But it's coming back in the new event
You guys rarely do weapon reviews now. What's going on?
+Julio Hernandez It's because there's so much content to cover. Back in HoW there wasn't to many activities events or secrets to cover so they just went ham on weapon reviews I think we can expect more weapon reviews later on.
because now they stream.
Your voice is……soothing