ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero Motherboard Slots and Storage Overview of PCIe Lanes
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- We have a lot of ground to cover today based on Requests. We're going to be looking at the ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero. This should be fascinating! This is all about, Slots and Storage for Content Creation Rendering. And We're looking at PCIe Resource allocations. We have several Talking Points based on Questions We're Answering. This is an Overview. Questions We'll address... Q: X670E ECC DDR5? Q: Quad card? Q: Dual Adapter? Q: PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe Cooling, Active or Passive?
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2. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Desktop Processors
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3. AMD Socket AM5 Chipset - AMD
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8. Memory Kingston Non-ECC UDIMMs - AMD EXPO Certified
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10. Gigabyte Unveils AORUS Gen5 AIC Adaptor with 4 Built-in NVMe M.2 Slots - News
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11. ASRock - Blazing M.2 Gen5 Fan-Heatsink [PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe Active Cooling]
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12. Team Group Launches Dual CPU and SSD Liquid Cooler - Tom's Hardware
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13. Intel JHL8540 Thunderbolt 4 Controller
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14. ASMedia to Launch USB4 Host-Controllers This Year - TechPowerUp
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15. ECC vs. non-ECC - What do I have and can I mix - Crucial.com
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An excellent and thorough review. Tips hat. Important details that can't be stressed enough about the implications of shared resources on a motherboard. Just because all the ports are there, doesn't mean you can use them all fully. Plan a PC build well to save yourself a headache!
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Welcome! Absolutely agree! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing Your thoughts!
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Thanks for the video I'm upgrading soon and this vid was very educational, helpful, and informative for me.
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Hi Wayne Osman,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! Thank You for Your Support! This should always be the 1st step in seeking a New Motherboard so We know What, Why and How. And none of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should exceed $500. Anything more, Workstation! That's like the 60 / 40 Rule for upgrades. When an upgrade will cost an amount approaching 40% to 60% of new, better to buy new. However, We always have to consider the 3 Prime Components of RAM, Motherboard and CPU. Everything else is transferable. Glad You see the Value in knowing a Motherboard Overview. The prime Question of what, why and how reflects on, Is this going to do what I want and what's that going to cost. We like knowing Our Options!
Great video, thanks for the information :)
Hi Rahko,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Glad We could provide clarity on this Subject!
Love this board for having not one but TWO PCIe 5.0 x4 directly to the CPU. (M.2_1 and M.2_2) . Most other boards of this generation don't allow for this. they seem to dedicate more things to Thunderbolt or other things of that nature. Its why its so important to find a motherboard that fits your exact needs. two full speed low latency m.2 is what I was looking for, and I think as more games support direct storage will become even more relevant.
Hi DottirePeste,
Welcome! Glad You've brought that Up! Thunderbolt gets in the way of M.2. That's 4 very important PCIe Lanes! Just a matter of priorities. 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 is easier to implement that Thunderbolt. You are right, pick a Motherboard with Resources allocated to suit Your needs. Every Motherboard allocates PCIe Resources differently! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Sharing!
Hey i have the samsung 980 pro 2tb. Wondering where on the asus x670 hero i should install it. Im confused in which slot to put it on
Hello@@mikekuoz2598,
Welcome! Excellent Question! M.2_2 slot for CPU PCIe Lanes or M.2_3 or M.2_4 for Chipset PCIe Lanes. Stay away from using PCIe 5.0 M.2 card. M.2_1 can be used later for a PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Hey i have the samsung 980 pro 2tb. Wondering where on the asus x670 hero i should install it. Im confused in which slot to put it on
Hello@@mikekuoz2598,
Apparently You've asked the same Question twice. See previous answer. Hope that helps!
Thank you for the amazingly detailed video! However I struggled to understand what you said about the lanes and shared resorces!
I have just bought a x670e crosshair hero and a 7950x3d, I have two gen4 m.2 that are secondary storage that I am planning to put in the two left hand slots on the motherboard, the pcie 5.0 ready slots, I also have a crucial t700 gen5 m.2 that I was planning on putting in the supplied pcie5.0 expansion card in the pciex16_2 slot which will be my boot drive and primary storage. Will this get the best performance from the gen5 card and not affect my gpu speed?
Thanks for the great videos and any help!
Hi Andrew,
Welcome. Thank You. Just now seeing Your comment. What did you decide for your configuration?
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Hi Gill, I'm noting that you wouldn't consider the ASRock Taichi x670e over the MSI or Asus boards. Why is that? What are you not liking about the Taichi? Thanks and great videos.
Hi yomerb,
Welcome! Based on Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations, MSI Simplified the process by removing Thunderbolt/ USB4. Of course, changing one thing, changes everything! Appreciate Your Comments!
Any thoughts on the new Samsung 990 PRO NVME SSD's on a quad raid card. Seems to be head and shoulders above existing gen 4.
Hi David White,
Good Question! Consider that a 4th Generation PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive at 7450MBs read and 6900MBs on Write. Curious timing though considering PCIe 5.0 everyone seems to be watching and waiting for! If the price works, yes!
Thanks for a great in depth video. I still have a quick question on my setup however
I have this 670E Hero motherboard with an 7800X3D and an rtx 3090 connected to the top PCIEX16_1 slot. I also have a single PCIE Gen.5 M.2 drive connected to the M.2_1 slot but the other PCIe 5 M.2_2 slot is empty I'm planning to buy an internal capture card and plug that into the PCIE x16_2 slot but will that reduce my 3090 to PCIE x8?
Since I have nothing plugged into the M.2_2 slot I was hoping that those 4 lanes could be used for the capture card without affecting my GPU but after watching your video it seems that plugging anything in the second PCIE x16_2 would halve my GPU bandwidth and I'm wondering if buying an external capture card would be better
Hello 007Babush,
Welcome. You are correct. Bummer, right. Not enough PCIe Lanes to go around. Which Capture Device did you choose? As you can deduce, we need more PCIe Lanes both CPU and Chipset.
I bought this motherboard a while ago.
I haven't been able to set it up so far but some people are having memory failure problems with this motherboards
Hi zagan1,
Welcome! Just now seeing Your Comment! DDR5 is still a work in progress. The Default JEDEC Spec should be good to go. Memory Profiles are requiring Bios Tweaks and that seems to be a slow process. Stick to the Motherboard QVL. How soon will You be able to Test and Verify for Yourself?
18:57 - Skimmed right over the most important part of DDR5 speeds in consumer boards being hobbled. But spend an inordinate amount of time on ECC, which is server-only? Do you have a video on DDR5 RAM speeds and how to max out 128GB without sacrificing speed?
Hello totheknee,
Welcome. How RAM were you able to utilize? Stick with QVL Configurations. Working on a DDR5 Video. Been very busy adding to our production capabilities. Correct, DDR5 ECC is a Server - Workstation component not supported on Consumer Desktop Motherboards. Just now seeing Your comment.
That x1 slot, maybe a sound card? I have this board, and I'm going to put a 10G ethernet adaptor in the secondary x8 slot. Not the most efficient use of PCIe lane resources, but it'll work fine for my use (encoding and uploading video files to the NAS, mostly here).
Hi BigPotatoeMoths,
Welcome! Sound card, Yes. Which one are You considering! Or a Pro Audio USB-C Interface! Network - Option one, ok. Option two, Dual 10GbE Adapter requires PCIe 3.0 X8! See: Intel Ethernet Converged X710-DA2 Network Adapter (X710DA2)
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Or Mellanox Adpters! Options! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy I was going to use the built in audio, but if needed I have a Fosi Audio external usb DAC so I wouldn’t anticipate personally using the slot. I was just racking my brain to think of what uses an x1 slot. 😀
Hi@@asdf51501,
Got it. A X1 Slot is mostly useless. Yes, We can ADD SATA or more USB 3 which We already have more than We need. A X4 Slot has more Potential such as a Capture Card. Even that has better Options through USB-C. Anything low priority. Always through the Chipset. Good to explore Our Options!
Planning a gaming pc. Pci express 5, ddr5 etc
Hi Jolly Green,
Lots of Options to consider! Prioritization! We're going to do another Video about X670E Chipset and DDR5 and go a bit deeper on ECC.
Hey BuildOrBuy, I'm still very confused about the additional 6 pin connector below the 24 pin. I'm a new builder and I understand that the purpose of the plug is to enable 60w to the front usb c as opposed to 27w and that is a feature that I would like to utilize, my question is what cable do I need to allow this function? From my research it's not included in the motherboard box. Does that mean it is a standard 6pin or 6+2pin PCIe cable like you would use with older style graphics cards? I'm using a be quiet dark power pro 13 1600w power supply if that matters. Thanks in advance :)
Hello Empex,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. Did you utilize that feature for the extra power? That particular Power Cable will be in wiring harness of your PSU.
need you to start examing z790 boards with the same usual things GPU, SSD, and cards for more ssd storage and start with the highest PC chip .
Hi Zeus .Edwards,
Welcome! Great idea! By Request, pick one! Your choice, Z790 DDR5! And We'll work up a Video Response! This should be fascinating!
@@BuildOrBuy a good starting point would be the ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming Wi-Fi as it shares much in common with its elder sibling also it's at a price range in-between also as most people love the strix brand. For the chip, i9-13900K Processor as it seems to be getting the best reviews and info is available on product page. A good presentation on usage as gaming, storage, content creation workflow ( the usual items most people buy for storage ssd's and extended storage like cards) and the main purpose of this would be explanation of different routes that can be taken, the advantages vs disadvantages with lanes (along those lines) of building a pc. Also, explanation of ram speeds that these boards are capable of especially with Asus new ASUS Enhanced Memory Profile II aka AEMPii... your choice on how it should be put together. Thanks for the reply
Hi@@zeus.edwards2662,
Excellent choice! However, no Motherboard Manual yet! Just as soon as ASUS gets that Info Posted, We can get started!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks alot
Hi@@zeus.edwards2662,
ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi Motherboard Manual is now up! We just need a Bios Manual to verify key points! We'll get work on that after the next 2 Videos which are in the Que! By then, to reiterate, We should have access to the Bios Manual!
I'm a visual learner and I'd love to see that block diagram for lane allocations. So if i use first 16 PCIe 5.0 slot as video and the 1st M.2 ive used all 20 PCIe 5.0 lanes available. Is the mystery 24 lanes/ additional 4 lanes total to the chipsets to run the additional remaining m.2 and SATA options?
Hi Paul Tapper,
Welcome! Great Question! Let's hope ASUS will start including the Block Diagram as before! A Block Diagram is only 1 page but an essential page of information! Especially on this Motherboard with Shared PCIe Resources!
1. There are 24 usable CPU Lanes.
2. With a Total of 28 Total CPU Lanes by AMD's definition.
3. We count an absolute Total of 32 CPU Lanes. Since 4 CPU Lanes are downgraded to Connect CPU to 1st Chipset. Then 1st Chipset connects to 2nd Chipset with 4 Chipset Lanes.
To reiterate, those Usable CPU Lanes are:
3. 1 Primary X16_1 Slot
4. Primary M.2_1
5. Secondary M.2_2
6. 1st Chipset has 8 Usable Chipset Lanes.
7. 2nd Chipset has 12 Usable Chipset Lanes.
That's a Default Configuration. Hope that helps! CPU Lanes are for higher priority and faster Devices. Whereas Chipset Lanes are used for Lower priority Devices like SATA and Networking.
CPU Lanes are PCIe 5.0. Whereas Chipset Lanes are PCIe 4.0 and below.
@@BuildOrBuy So just to clarify, if both M.2_1 and _2 are populated, the primary PCIE_1 will still get 16 lanes? Amazing videos by the way, thank you so much for your work!
Hi@@blakethomas3169,
Welcome! You are correct! Crazy setup! Lots of give and take on this Motherboard! Thank You very much! Appreciated Your Comments! Happy Thanksgiving!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you! Happy thanksgiving!
Hi@@blakethomas3169,
Thank You very much!
The moment you think you know stuff but then you realize you don't know as much as you thought... Great Video.
I don't know if you stll answer questions to this board since it's been already 5 months but..
I'm planning to get this board with a 7800X3D and I want to use my PCIex16 slot with full 16 lanes and 3x gen4 m.2 drives and maybe if possible one sata ssd.
Can I run 2 m.2's in the slots which are directly connected to the CPU or can I use only one in the first M.2 slot (boot drive) and have to place the other 2 in the PCIe Gen 4 Slots, connected to the chipset? And how is the PCIe lane allocation when I use a Gen4 drive in the first place? Cause theoreticly it would only need 2 PCIe Gen 5 lanes to get it's full Gen 4 speeds?
I don't know if my questions make sense.. But thanks anyways for this video, it's been very enlightening!
Hi Synexx,
Welcome! Excellent Questions! Appreciate Your Comments! We're always Answering Subscribers Questions on any and all of Our Videos! Yes, makes absolute sense! What's relevant to You is important to Us! M.2_1 and M.2_2 are Dedicated Resources. Stay away from using PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe card.
PCIe Lane count remains constant for backwards compatibility. Only speed of PCIe Lanes changes. M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives require 4 PCIe Lanes. CXL technology may change that but 2 years away. Right now... On some Motherboards, using Chipset Lanes there can be Shared PCIe Resources allocating X2 Lanes to reiterate in a Shared Resource setting. But rare.
There has been the false concept of fewer PCIe Lanes promulgated but not correct at this time. For now, a false assumption that may become fact with CXL - Compute Express Link and NVMe Key Value Command Set technology. Hope that helps. You'll never look at another Motherboard the same way again with what You now know!
This is the exact config I'm looking at right now. What did you finally go with assuming you've build something by now?
@@R1Armadill0 Heyho. Worked like a charm, no issues at all and GPU still runs at 16X. So 3x Gen4 M.2 SSD + 1 Sata SSD, and even a sound card in the Pcie 1x Slot works without any limitations.
@@synexx2767 Curious why not use the onboard audio? And what RAM did you end up with? Glad it worked out!
@@R1Armadill0 I already had a sound card in my old system so I simply carried it over. Onboard audio is sufficient enough yet I still think a sound card delivers enough benefits compared to onboard audio, especially when using higher Ohm headphones. I'm using G.skill 6.000 MHz RAM
Just found this video, very interesting, thank you. I do still have a question: say i intend to populate both PCIE 16x slots with GPUs and both CPU-linked M2 slots with M2 disks. Then i want to connect 1x SATA SSD and 2x HDDs from my current computer. Finally into one of those M2 slots connected to chipset i would like to plug one more drive from my current rig, Samsung 960 EVO. Will all of this be possible, or is it too many devices, more than available lanes? Alternatively, even if it works, will there be some bottleneck, especially on all the chipset connected stuff?
EDIT: If i use both M2 slots with direct link to CPU, will i lose that USB4/Thunderbolt connectivity?
Hi Miroslav Kozar,
Welcome! Excellent Questions! Appreciate Your Comments! With 2 GPUs, Shared Resources. Therefore each will be X8 using CPU PCIe Lanes, which will be fine. In PDF Motherboard Manual, See: Connectors with shared bandwidth regarding CPU PCIe 5.0 Slots.
Storage:
M.2_1 - PCIe 5.0 to CPU. Dedicated.
M.2_2 - PCIe 5.0 to CPU. Dedicated.
24 useable PCIe 5.0 CPU Lanes... To reiterate, only those 2 GPUs will Share PCIe Resources.
M.2_3 - PCIe 4.0 through Chipset. Dedicated.
M.2_4 - PCIe 4.0 through Chipset. Dedicated.
6 SATA Ports. Dedicated. Each SATA Port on this Motherboard utilizes 1 PCIe Chipset Lane.
How do We know about the USB4 PCIe Resources? Without a Motherboard Block Diagram, by the process of elimination and according to the technology implementation. Since on this Motherboard, USB4 provides Video Out through the CPU porting of USB-C, We can deduce that has to be using CPU Lanes. Hence of the Total CPU PCIe Lanes, those other 4 CPU PCIe Lanes are so used accordingly for a Total of 28 CPU PCIe Lanes.
To reiterate, therfore Yes, USB4 is Dedicated using the other 4 CPU PCIe Lanes.
Glad You're using the X670E Chipset. This is a good layout for a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Yes it's loaded! Yes, what You Propose will work. Enjoy Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy Hi there, i wish you happy new year! Many thanks for your reply, especially on such a short notice, was not expecting that, given what day was yesterday. Much appreciated.
I note you "greenlit" my builld proposal, thank you, thats what i needed to know. Still have a question though - so you think (or perhaps know as a fact) that the USB4/Thunderbolt ports are connected straight to CPU via those 4 otherwise not usable lanes? I mean, 16 shared lanes for graphics, 4 lanes for M2_1, another 4 lanes for M2_2 - alltogether 24 usable lanes, and then those USB4 ones on top of that, for the total count of 28?
Personally, i thought those 4 unusable are meant to be the one that connect chipset to CPU, and then, if the USB4 is connected straight to CPU, as you deduced, it shares those GPP lanes with the M2_2. Hence my confusion.
On topic of my build, its all still in boxes, i got it shortly before Christmas and did not have time or space to build it yet. I am however indeed buzzing, looking forward to the performance gains compared to my current rig (X299 based, 14 core). It supposed to be home-office workstation for archviz rendering (thats why 2 GPUs) and for some occasional gaming (thats why that second M2). I hope everything will turn out ok, there wont be any DOA components or RAM issues (i got 64GB G-Skill Z5 Neo Trident 6000 MHz, thats only XMP 3.0, not EXPO).
There are really only 2 minor things that bug me - i would have prefered HEDT system, but could not justify the price of the new Threadripper (and obviously Intel being no show). The other thing, i pretty much paid premium for the functionality i wont be using - the PCI-E 5.0, since current GPUs are 4.0 anyway and i had to buy 4.0 M2 SSDs as well, since again, there are no 5.0 ones. I pretty much got it specifically cause of it PCI-E 16x spacing - those slots being far enough to fit even the new 3slot+ GPUs. All the other boards i saw, except the more expensive Crosshair Extreme, had these one slot closer, or the second slot was not even 8x electrical (all the Gigabyte boards for example).
Hi@@Timmaaaigh,
Absolutely! Happy New Year! Blessings and Best Wishes! Just happened to be good timing. Glad You've brought this up about the CPU PCIe Lanes. There are 3 numbers to address. Two as Defined by AMD, Usable Lanes & Total Lanes and the 3rd, We call Absolute Total Lanes. CPU PCIe Lanes are fairly easy to Account for. Accounting for Chipset Lanes, that takes Us into the Weeds and down a Rabbit Hole. 1st Accounting for what We know to be True in CPU PCIe Lanes. 16 + 4 + 4 = 24 Usable Lanes and 28 Total Lanes. However, as You have Pointed out and We have mentioned in some but not all of Our X670E Motherboard Overview Videos. There are 4 CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes that are restricted or downgraded to CPU PCIe 4.0 Lanes connecting CPU to Primary Chipset. To reiterate, now We have 32 Absolute CPU PCIe Lanes; 24 Usable; 28 Total; 32 Absolute Total (CPU to Chipset). This is why We need those Motherboard Block Diagrams!
Remember the CPU, by Design allows for USB-C DisplayPort Alternate-Mode. And since on this Motherboard We have Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 Video out, those are CPU PCIe Lanes since to reiterate, Video is coming from the Internal GPU which is in the CPU. All buried in the Specs. But needs to be clearly defined as We are doing now. Therfore, that much to reiterate We know to be true by deduction as You have Pointed out. Exasperating! And Absolutely Fascinating!
Trying to decipher those Chipset PCIe Lanes is a conundrum. After counting and recounting 100s of times, I never get an accurate count. But We try.
1st Chipset has 8 Usable PCIe Lanes.
2nd Chipset has 12 Usable PCIe Lanes.
Each Chipset appears to have 16 Total PCIe Lanes for a Combined Lane count of 32. Therefore 32 Absolute Total CPU PCIe Lanes and 32 Total Chipset PCIe Lanes. Whew! It would help if AMD would show Us all of those PCIe Lanes so We know what's What, Where and Why! Instead of so much obfuscation!
Now to address what You have in Your previous Build. You have an X299 HEDT and You're changing to a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Hmm. Granted both AMD and Intel have left Us high and dry by temporarily abandoning the HEDT however, You want PCIe 5.0, ok. But You're only gaining PCIe 4.0 for the moment. This is exactly what Vendors want. For Us to Build new Computers more often. And that's what You're doing. Intel has chatter about new CPUs, Chipsets and Motherboards. AMD will follow.
My crystal ball forecasting... Historically, Watch the Tradeshows. Expect 12 months out. Right now We have an unusual situation with 2 Timelines about to collide. A Technology Timeline and a Product Cycle Timeline. What do I mean by that? Anything new from anyone will be PCIe 5.0. PCIe 6.0 is due out shortly. That too ushers in another host of Technology to be unveiled. Such as CXL and the new NVMe Key Value (NVMe-KV) Command Set. What ever new Product is in the pipeline better get here quick or miss and pursue PCIe 6.0 which is expected to be more long term.
The greatest concern based on feedback from other Viewers would be the CPU. If You get any errors with RAM or BSODs, chances are it's the CPU which requires RMA. And after the initial 30 days out from Seller, RMA goes to Manufacturer. Hassle but doable after You've tried everything else!
As for the Threadripper III, that's on the AMD TRX40 HEDT. And that's history. Great Platform but PCIe 4.0. To reiterate, anything new will be PCIe 5.0. Which means new CPU, Chipset and Motherboard. As for a Threadripper Pro, that's a Workstation on the AMD WRX80 Chipset. Also PCIe 4.0! Hope those clarifications help! Fascinating Topic!
Another way to look at this, You're going from Dedicated PCIe Resources to Shared PCIe Resources. Ponder that! Perception and Perspective!
Hi fantastic video, I was really keen on the Asus X670 Extreme but this board doesnt look too bad either, do you think the Xtreme is worth the money over this?
Hi Huzaida Vawda,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Great Question! Depends upon Your requirements. Both have the same available PCIe Resources for CPU & Chipset, they are just allocated differently. If You're Building on the Consumer Desktop those are great Options. List Your Top 5 Requirements and see how each meets Your expectations on paper. On the other hand, since You've mentioned price, have You Considered a Workstation? More PCIe Resources for the price. What's Your Rendering engine? Do You need more PCIe Resources? Does ECC RAM matter? How many M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives will You Require? What GPU do You plan on using? These are all considerations to take into account. Even planning for Upgrades later. Which Platform will provide You with longevity? Looking forward to further Discussion! Let Us know Your Preferences!
@@BuildOrBuy now this is the part you may find odd but I actually mostly game. Have a 4090 thats going to be run in it. Im currently on the Ryzen 5900X, but decided to part that to my kids and want to build something new for me. This is the one thing I love, PC building and hardware. I was thinking since AM5 would have a longer last time then Intel 13th Gen and their 1700 socket, the Extreme would be a nice board for the next 3 years or so. Im running the X570 Xtreme from Aorus on my current 5900X and kinda like the look these high end boards have
Hi@@huzaifavawda8383,
Definitely agree, Building a Computer is a blast and fascinating! Our primary Goal is for Content Creation Rendering! You'll definitely have bragging rights and room to grow on the Extreme Motherboard for all of those M.2 Drives! Still only 16 CPU Cores and Dual Channel DDR5 Non-ECC RAM. We expect M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drives to become available in December 2022 running at 10,000MBps! Faster load times! You can get started now and be ready when those Drives become available! Good choice for cycling Your X570 Motherboard! And on the RTX 4090, remember to make certain that Power Connector is full inserted! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! This should be an amazing Build!
BTW: Which PSU are You planning to use?
@BuildOrBuy I definitely will make sure it's plugged in till the latch clicks 🤣🤣 I have a Corsair HX1200i PSU, it's about 2 years old as well and I reckon it should be fine?
Hi@@huzaifavawda8383,
Definitely! A 1200W PSU is recommended! You should be good to go! Success on Your Build!
BTW: Which Motherboard are You going to use?
WHY do the motherboard manufacturers not just give us a frreakin' block diagram?!
Would you consider uploading in 4k? You do a lot of looking at documentation which would be much nicer if it was sharp
Hello tehsimo,
Welcome. Exactly. Obfuscation. Upload in 4k? Glady, if we had support to justify the cost. That requires serious bandwidth. Great question.
Hello, so i am not fully clued up when it comes to understanding certain things. I have a question? Will i still have pcie x16 for my GPU if i use all the m.2 nvme drives for memory ?
Hi T4NCUS,
Welcome! Great Question! Everything else is OK. Just don't use PCIe 5.0 M.2 Slot via PCIe 5.0 M.2 card. In Motherboard Manual search: Connectors with shared bandwidth. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thankyou sir
Hi@@T4NCUS,
Absolutely!
I'm planning on upgrading from my AM4 platform to the Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Hero AM5 platform. I'm getting the 7950x CPU for now and will upgrade it to the X3D model when available. My main goal is to have full 16x bandwidth for my RTX 4090 and full 4x for a Gen4 4TB M.2. Nvme SSD(i'll upgrade to gen 5 SSD when they come out). If I have one gen 5 m.2. SSD in the top Gen 5 slot attached to the CPU can I install a second m.2 gen4 slot attached to the chipset without loosing any bandwidth to my 16x GPU and 4x Gen5 M.2?
Hi Hadley,
Welcome! Great Question! According to the PDF Motherboard Manual based on Connectors with shared bandwidth, avoid PCIEX16_2 and You'll achieve Your Goals! Enjoy Your Build! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy yeah, I think I’ll just ideally stick to just one large m.2 name ssd, either the 4tb Western Digital Black sn850x or wait for the 4tb version of the Samsung 990 pro, which I’d probably rather have. They both may be great? Which one do you think would be better all around and gaming?
Hi@@hadleys.4869,
Great Question! Based on what We know and have Experienced, 1st Samsung. Indubitably! WD 2nd Choice; 3rd; Seagate; 4th Sabrent. All good. We have the most history with Samsung M.2. We do not and will not know the real longevity of any of these for years to come. We're moving into NVMe so quickly! Back Blaze is Our best Reference for Drive Stats. At one time it was Google for Drive Stats. And We should be Prepared to Migrate to new Drives before the existing Drives reach EOL. Hope that helps! We all have Our favorites for whatever reason! Results are what matters most. WD has had Firmware issues. We experienced that too with Quad cards. No issues with other Brands regarding Performance requiring Firmware Updates. Interesting!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you very much. I’ve only had Samsung SSD drives in the past and present. I’ve had nothing but good experiences with them all.
Hi@@hadleys.4869,
Absolutely! Smart choice! Stick with what You know!
Question....does display port have a future or will it be like eSata?
Hi Mike Quinton,
Interesting Question! Two ways to look at that. As a Technology and as an Interface. DiplayPort as a Technology is going to be with Us and is growing in influence since it's now incorporated into the Consumer Desktop AMD Ryzen 7000 series CPU. As an Interface, DiplayPort was suppose to replace HDMI. Not happening! However, don't expect DiplayPort to go the way of eSATA. Even eSATA is still around when We examine the essence of what eSATA was about. Hot Swap which came to Us via RAID. We use Hot Swap / Hot Plug all the time. eSATA was about combining SATA and Power externally. To reiterate, We use Hot Swap Racks for that. Now, eSATA is a USB-C Enclosure with either a SATA or SATA SSD or now NVMe. The eSATA connectors were finicky. HDMI is finicky. USB-C is still finicky but We embrace it, for now.
Everything We do as BTS requires anything HDMI to be converted to SDI for the Blackmagic Video Switch. If anything is DisplayPort, We convert to HDMI then Convert to SDI for Signal Routing and Switching and Sync.
To reiterate, DisplayPort will be with Us going forward. Definitely as a Technology and as a Connector due to Mini DisplayPort which is on a GPU that provides 6 Monitor Output on Pro GPUs. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy Even the new NVidia 4090 is still display port1.4a.
HI@@davidwhite2011,
Good point! And is still PCIe 4.0! Only the Power Connector is PCIe 5.0 and ATX 3.0.
I'm kind of confused now. I have X670E Hero with a 4090 in the top PCIE slot, nothing in slot 2 and a Soundblaster sound card in slot 3. I've got a NVME drive in M.22 slot 2 and another in M.2 slot 3 with a view to fill m.2 slot 1 when Gen5 NVME are available. Am I already limiting the capabilities of my system before I even add the NVME in slot 1?
Hi James Rothwell,
Welcome! Great Question! As configured, You're fine for CPU PCIe Resources according to Motherboard PDF Manual Documentation. You can Add M.2_1 for CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes and still be fine. That's a Dedicated Resource. GPU will be using X16 CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes. Stay away from PCIe 5.0 M.2 card. That's where You'll run into Sharing CPU PCIe Lanes and cut Your GPU CPU Lanes from X16 to X8. You can also Add M.2_4 which uses Chipset PCIe 4.0 Lanes. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for the thorough reply, very helpful!
Hi@@jamesrothwell8693,
We try! Success on Your Build Configuration! Appreciate Your Comments!
Can i use the m.1 and m.2 Slot with a ssd 4.0 without lane Sharing ?
He S61 elim,
Welcome! Absolutely! Just don't use PCIEX16_2 nor PCIe 5.0 M.2 card! Otherwise, good to go! Hope that helps!
Hi, I have a question. If I install only 1 m2 on the pci ex 5.0 line and a 4090 then on the second x8 line I put a 10gbe x4 card, there are a total of 24 lines supported by the cpu... The question is by installing the 10gbe lan the graphics card will continue to work to x16 or does it become x8?
Hello Francesco Stefanile,
Welcome! Great Question! Design vs Implementation. GPU will be using X8 since those other X8 CPU PCIe Lanes are allocated to 2nd Slot. Therefore utilizing a X4 10GbE Adapter, You'll lose use of X4 CPU PCIe Lanes. Bummer, right. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy So it's just as I thought.... But if a 4090 was conceived as pci 4.0 it shouldn't give the same performance with only 8 lines on the pci 5.0 bus allowing me to install a 10gbe x4 card on the second slot without losing performance ? So do you advise me to opt for the ROG x670e extreme? That by the way already has the lan on the motherboard and also has a x4 slot on a separate pci 4.0 bus...
Hello@@francescostefanile5613,
Several issues to Address.
1. Lane count is constant for backward compatibility.
2. The GPU is no longer Driving the PCIe Bus. The M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives the PCIe Bus.
3. Your GPU is only going to utilize PCIe 4.0. Only M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives have seen performance improvements using PCIe 4.0 Drives on PCIe 5.0 Lanes.
4. According to Performance stats, in most instances Your GPU will take a 1% to 2% Performance hit using X8 CPU PCIe Lanes vs X16 CPU PCIe Lanes. We have read unconfirmed reports as high as 20% of a Performance hit. Your Results may vary. Test and Verify! Advise? Tough call. Non of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500.00! Above that amount You're looking at either a HEDT or a Workstation class Motherboard with more PCIe Resources. Hope that helps!
One question please, is this motherboard compatible with my powercolor rx 6750 xt red devil gpu?
Hi Elefthesis,
Welcome! 12GBs of VRAM, Dual-slot Width. Nice! Absolutely! Enjoy! And Congrats! Should be good for GPU Rendering!
The more I've looked at this board versus the Strix X670e E board, I am more and more inclined to believe that the Strix board is a much better purchase for the money. This Hero board is the one I initially wanted, UNTIL I saw the price tag. Then I noticed it had no backplate, and a few other smaller problems. So I started looking around, and found that the Strix X670e-E board looked more appealing in several respects, and was $230 dollars cheaper. In a comparison, this Hero X670e only had a few things, that the Strix didn't have. Such as the two usb 4.0 ports, and the m.2 riser card. But those things do not warrant $230 dollars difference in my opinion. But I'd like to know what you think about that, Gill? Am I correct in thinking that the Strix is a better bang for your buck, or is there more value in this Hero board than I've noticed??? Also, can you compare and contrast with the Aorus Master X670e? Thanks for another good video.
Hi Stev A,
Thank You for Sharing! Appreciate Your Comments! Interesting Questions. As always, List Our Top 5 Requirements, in Order. Changing one thing changes everything! All about Resource allocations! Each one is different. That alone could be a Video! We prefer to Overview 1 Motherboard per Video due to time. The last, first. Very disappointed in what Gigabyte did on the Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master. As for the other 2 You've mentioned, Depends upon priorities of Resources. All have the same just allocated differently. The X670E Hero has 5 M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD Drives! Wow! But even so with all of those other capabilities, best used in Default Configuration. If a Requirement were Thunderbolt 4 / USB4, that's the one! However, if that 2 Core GPU is required, there goes anything else on those 2 Ports! We just need more PCIe Lanes! Easy to see how the ASUS ROG Strix X670E-I Gaming WiFi becomes appealing if Thunderbolt is not required. That's where MSI was smart. No MSI X670E Thunderbolt / USB4 which is interesting. We get a lot of Thunderbolt Questions. Thunderbolt is more hassle than practical. 20Gbps USB-C is easier to implement and is more practical. Every one of these so far have that. Agreed, if You don't need Thunderbolt 4 / USB4, why bother with it. Besides, this is just a stepping stone until We get to PCIe 6.0! By request, We have 1 more X670E Motherboard Overview in the works. Then, on to another Chipset Overview!
Here's a B&H Comparison link of those 2.
1. ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero
2. ASUS ROG Strix X670E-I Gaming WiFi
www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/BHitems/1726096-REG_1726095-REG
Interesting to note the differences. Keep it simple!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the response Gill. I have no pressing need for the TB USB 4 ports, other than just having a fast USB C port. And While having five m.2 drives is appealing to me (I previously had the Crosshair VIII Extreme with five m.2's using the DIMM.2 card to fully populated), I could settle for using only four m.2's to save $230 dollars. In fact I have a chance to buy one of those Gigabyte Aorus AIC 4 drive cards for less than $50 from a friend. So I might go that route with the Strix board to make up the lost drive. Juggling the pcie lanes is frustrating and can be extremely confusing. That's why I appreciate your vids.
I'm not sure if you have time or the desire to do so, but I'd love to see you do a video with the Strix X670e-E board, using that Aorus AIC with the four Sabrent drives populated, and see how the lanes are used with the other devices. I always put my gpu in the first X16 slot. Anyway, thanks for the answer.
@@BuildOrBuy Also, after looking in detail at that B&H comparison, I see that the Strix E board has several things on it that the Hero just doesn't. For example, it has one more rgb header, one more fan header, 3 x16 slots where the Hero only has 2, 13 usb ports where the Hero only has 12, a display port and HDMI port, where the Hero has none. All for $230 dollars less. As I said, I'd love to see a vid with this Strix X670e-E board if you have time. Thanks for the link.
Hi@@AquaStevae,
Absolutely! By Request!... ASUS ROG Strix X670E-I Gaming WiFi! Appreciate Your Patience! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions and creating Videos Subscribers want to see! I'm honored You Asked!
Hi@@AquaStevae,
To reiterate, Absolutely! On the List! Thank You for Asking! Slots and Storage PCIe Resource allocations are fascinating! Changing one thing, changes everything! And every Motherboard is different!
The biggest mistake is knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know when you’re wrong. - Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Hi David,
Very well put. Intel Thunderbolt Maple Ridge USB4 is a good example. We think We know how it's plumbed based on the Supporting technology of DisplayPort Alternate-Mode since there is no indication of that 10Gbps USB-C Port having Video Out. According to the Tech Specs Video Out is from HDMI and USB4. Easy to Test and Verify! Otherwise, to absolutely know, We need a Block Diagram! Well stated! Thank You!
Can this board support a pcie5 nvme at x16 along with a hypothetical future pcie5 x16 gpu at x16?
Hello vanishedvision,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. All M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives utilize 4 PCIe Lanes. There are no X16 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. Why? Backwards compatibility through all prior Generations. A X16 GPU, YES. But none exist... yet. Or a Quad card which does exist. Remember, the GPU is no longer driving the PCIe Bus. The M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive is driving the PCIe Bus. And has done so since PCIe 3.0.
Does any of these ASUS X670E MoBo support form factor "25110 M.2 NVMe" for the PCIe 5.0? Many Thanks.😀
Hi Givi Soltani,
Welcome! Great Question! None of the Motherboards We've looked at So far are saying anything about the 25mm format. Once available, We expect everyone to Update accordingly just like Thunderbolt 4 is now known as USB4. Thanks for Asking! All We can do is Watch and Wait!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my question.😃
Hi@@givisoltani9506,
Absolutely! Here to help! We're all eager to see how this plays out! Still no PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives of any format or capacity! Crickets!
I'm just trying to find out if I can use 4 nvme 4.0 drives and still use an rtx 4090@ 16x
Hi Kendragon,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Four, Yes!
M.2_1, M.2_2, M.2_3 and M.2_4. Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Hope that helps!
X670e e Gaming pls Review.
Hi Dimitri Samarin,
Welcome! Great idea! There are 4 different models. Which one?
A, E, F and I - ASUS ROG Strix X670E Gaming WiFi!
@@BuildOrBuy Model E Gaming
Hi@@dimakrutoj93,
To verify -
ASUS ROG Strix X670E E Gaming WiFi
rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x670e-e-gaming-wifi-model/
Hey,
I have this board and I'm wondering If I'd be able to run two 4090's on it, I need them for their CUDA cores/3D rendering.
And if I can, am i limited in how many M2 SSDs i can have on board?
Really hard to find conclusive information about this.
Would greatly appreciate if you can offer any insight.
Hello 4rysc,
Welcome. Two RTX 4090's. 1. Width? 2. Each would utilize X8, that's 8 CPU PCIe Lanes per GPU. 3. What's your Render Engine? Can that app utilize 2 GPUs? 4. Depends. Only enough CPU PCIe Lanes for 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD. Chipset PCIe Lanes, Depends upon implementation.
@@BuildOrBuy
I've already made sure they fit physically, and I've used multi-GPU systems before, just not with this board.
I render with Octane, which can use as many cards as you throw at it.
Oh really, only 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD? Then I'm out of luck it sounds like, I've got all 4 slots occupied.
Hi@@4rysc,
1. Ok. They fit. Good. Each is X8, not X16.
2. Yes. Good.
3. CPU PCIe Lanes vs Chipset PCIe Lanes. To reiterate, 1 and 3 makes it. CPU PCIe Lanes are a tad bit faster than Chipset PCIe Lanes.
@@BuildOrBuy So I did get a hold of a second 4090. But it does not get detected by the system.
Both cards work separately, but when both are plugged in (both light up and fans spin) only the one in the first PCIE slot is detected.
I was under the assumption that I could get both to run at 8x, but only the first one is detected and running at 14x.
Is this because of too many NVMe Drives?
Hi@@4rysc,
Refresh my memory, are you using this Motherboard? Those 2 PCIe Slots are using CPU Lanes. Are you using M.2_2? That too is using CPU Lanes. Check your Bios for Bandwidth Bifurcation Configuration.
With the M2 drives connected to the CPU on their motherboard connectors, if you have both of these occupied, will this then still mean that the PCIE_1 slot still runs at 16x if the PCIE_2 slot is not occupied?
Hi Tim Johansen,
Welcome! Correct! Great Question! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy will the 16x pcie_1 slot also get 16x with the new gen 5 m.2 discs? Or will it only get 16x when running two m.2 gen 4 in cpu connectors on the motherboard?
Hi@@andreashasvold2658,
Glad You found this Video! Great Question! To Do what You've Asked, Use only PCIEX16_1. M.2_1 is PCIe 5.0, Dedicated to the CPU. Do NOT use M.2_2. To reiterate, You will have access to 1 M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 SSD Drive. The other M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives will be PCIe 4.0 through the Chipset. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy so just stick to m.2 pcie 4.0 if you want/need to use two m.2 discs connected to the cpu then?
Hi@@andreashasvold2658,
To reiterate, don't use M.2_2. Only thing left to CPU is M.2_1. And that is connected to the CPU. The other M.2 NVMe PCIe Drives are through the Chipset. And those 2 are PCIe 4.0. Hope that helps!
Sorry to post a question here, but I just finished setting my new desktop and the motherboard takes between 5 and 10 minutes to show any video. Would you happen to know why this is happening? THanks
Hi Wellington Pracz,
Welcome! Has to do with Memory, DDR5. Are You running the latest Bios? A recent AGESA update should help resolve that issue. There are a few Bios Settings to be changed that can also help a bit more.
Thank you, I have updated Bios and it now works like a charm. Thank you 😊
Hi@@wellingtonpracz120,
Outstanding! Results are what matters! Enjoy Your Build!
Does this motherboard support amd multi-gpu with two RX 7800 XT?
Hello Binary Desk,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Which Manufacturer Model GPU? Does the one You're going to use Support Bridging? You can install 2 GPUs. But for what. Does Your Software support 2 GPUs? Each GPU will be using X8 PCIe Lanes. What's their respective Slot width of each GPU?
I have a x670e hero. This board. Latest drivers and bios, I put my 4090 in the top pcie lane. And the m.2 990 pro in the top most m.2 slot. For some reason, occasionally my 4090 boots in pcie x16 gen 3. 4090 is good, tried in an am4 board and is at x16 gen 4 always. Tried on an asus x670e-e gaming and it does the same as the hero (occasionally negotiate down to gen 3). Cpu is a 7950x3d. I’m at a loss really. No other drives connected, but i have a few joysticks connected to the usbs.
Hi Jay,
Welcome! Interesting. How are You Testing verification? GPU-Z? Even though You have latest Bios, keep watching for a Bios Update for resolution. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy hwinfo + nvidia control panel. I’m thinking it’s got to be a bios thing. swapped ram, mobos and tested the gpu in an am4 system. Got to be the bios or the cpu (I just got the cpu new though and its a decent silicon stable at -20 CO and +50fmax). I'm debating if I should've just gone away from ASUS and go with the MSI ACE...
Hi@@MrGatz,
Power Saving mode. Test and Verify with GPU-Z from TechPowerUp.
www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/
Notice where program indicates, Bus Interface. See Question Mark? Click "?" To Run Render Test. Bus Interface readout will change as GPU is activated. Not a stress test. You may have to download a DLL. GPU-Z will inform and perform action accordingly. Let Us know Your Results. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy appreciate the help. I subbed! Yes i did that (i follow the max pcie link under load). Most of the time it’s at x16 gen 4 but occasionally it boots at x16 gen 3 only. Weird. I haven’t disabled the igpu on the 7959x3d (i see that the radeon igpu runs at x16) Not sure if it has an effect. All observed in gpuz
Hi@@MrGatz,
Absolutely! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! Power Saving mode. Did You try difference in full power up or just a soft power on? How are Your Power Profiles set, Bios and Windows?
The more i research for x670 Mobos, the more i dont know what to get, i need an x8/x8 mobo for my new 7950x since i plan on using 2 GPU for 3d rendering, but i've been having a hard time deciding between ProArt, Hero or MSI Carbon, also the idea of getting support up to 2025 makes me think that the more VRM power, the better, but man, those PCIe layouts on the Hero and Carbon are kinda bad for dual GPU, the physical location of the 2nd PCIe x8 on both mobos use the 2nd slot 1 step lower than the ProArt, but ProArt has less VRM power... decisions, decisions...
Hi Wade Pedro,
Welcome! Very good points! And all We're focused on is one aspect for Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations! It's a Conundrum! That's the problem with a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, Shared PCIe Resources! Our next Video is a Motherboard Overview of MSI MPG X670E CARBON WiFi for Slots and Storage of PCIe Resource allocations! A simpler cleaner layout of PCIe Resource allocations. That 2nd X8 Slot for a 2nd GPU rules out anything in the 3rd X4 Slot due to spacing. Workstation maybe? More PCIe Resources! We were not as impressed with the ProArt X670E as We expected to be.
Hello, i just bought this mother board with 7900x, i have 2x3090. Could it run Nvlink? thank you
Hi Trule420,
Welcome. Yes. Congrats.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you so much for your reply
Hi, Can i use my 4080 Super GPU with 1 TB PCIe 5.0 in the first slot and 2 TB PCIe 4.0 and 1 TB PCIe 4.0 without losing any lanes or performance from my CPU and GPU?
Hello issaartin2172,
Welcome. Just now seeing Your comment. How did your set your configuration? GPU is good. 1st M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive is good. Any other M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive must use Chipset Lanes, NOT CPU Lanes.
@@BuildOrBuyFriend, I thank you for the support you are giving to everyone. I have a question, can all x670e cards be used with NVMe 5.0 in the first slot without losing GPU performance in x16? I say this because I'm thinking about an Asus TUF x670e plus wifi. Thank you for your time.
Hi@@Thebossreserve,
Thank You. Appreciate your comment. The Chipset by Design, yes. The Motherboard by Implementation should as well. We don't usually like to make blanket generalities but in this scenario, yes. Everything after that is a toss up.
Does anyone knows the maximum m.2 i can use without any drawback (the lane sharing thing, idk what's it's called), and assuming i will use gen 5 ssd where possible (can i use all 4 and the included m.2 card thing) or what combination can i use for maximum m.2 possible without drawbacks
Hi Gulag,
Welcome! Good Question. Short Answer: Do NOT use PCIe 5.0 M.2 card to maintain full performance as you have asked.
@BuildOrBuy so only the 2 gen 5 slot on the motherboard or can i also use the gen 4 to add more m.2?
And thanks for responding even tho the video is from quite some while
Hi@@gulag8040,
1st M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive uses CPU Lanes. The other M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives utilize Chipset PCIe Lanes. That's it. That 2nd M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 Drive would use CPU Lanes thus making the GPU to only have X8 PCIe Lanes instead of X16. To reiterate, not enough PCIe Lanes to accommodate everything. It is what it is. Choices. Not everything simultaneously.
Hi@@gulag8040,
Yes. I'm just now seeing some of these comments. Still relevant. Been busy.
Does it have ASIO?
Hello That Guy,
Welcome! Good Question. That will be part of the Realtek driver package.
@@BuildOrBuy I’m building from the ground up for music production. I have a Daw(FLStudio). I have my case(LianLi V3000+). I like this Motherboard. But am I considering the right one. I also want to create videos. I guess I’m just looking for help.
Hi@@ThatGuyBrighFly,
You have a good start. A good foundation. Which GPU?
For now, Audio Rendering is CPU. That may change in the Future. Video Rendering starts with CPU. Some of gets handed off to GPU.
Adobe has a Formula for Rendering. Good to use whether using Adobe or not.
Every Motherboard has a different utilization of Resources. Everything is a tradeoff on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard.
@@BuildOrBuy I’m thinking Ryzen 9 7950x or maybe the 3D. As for the motherboard the MSI Meg x670e Ace. THE GPU I’m going to have to do a little more saving because of family and bills lol but I would like some help.
Hi@@ThatGuyBrighFly,
Good choice in Motherboard. Has a realistic implementation of the Chipset. For GPU due to Video Rendering, suggest Nvidia something.
Now the Adobe Formula: Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula as stated.
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = GPU VRAM
16 CPU Cores = 64GBs RAM and
16 CPU Cores = 16GBs VRAM.
Simple Formula. Easy math. Follow that Formula, everything else falls into place accordingly.
What else did you need help with? You're on the right path.
4x4x4x4=16
Hi Chuck,
Welcome. Correct. The beauty of Bifurcation when supported. Just now seeing Your comment.
Does this sound right to you?
I'm running the ASUS X670e Hero motherboard and I run a busineess that requires a lot of huge file transfers; therefore, I am running an ASUS XG-C100C 10GB NIC in PCIEX16_2 , and my Suprim X (Air cooled) 4090 in PCIEX16_1, and I misunderstood the manual. The manual states, ""when pcie 5.0 m.2 card is inatalled on pciex16_2, PCiex16_1 will run at x8 only." It says nothing (in words at least, it does show a configuration chart, that in my opinion, can be easily overlooked or misunderstood), about how this will make my 4090 run at Gen 4 x8. So unfortunately, that is the reason I am running at x8, not because I have an older motherboard. I totally misunderstood. Should've got the X670 Extreme with built in 10GB NIC. :( @gamersnexus
I dont have a pcie 5.0 m.2 drive installed I have a PCIe 4.0 m.2 installed (the sabrent rocket 4 plsus 2tb in m.2_1 slot) and the GPU is installed in the pcie16_1 and the asus xgc100c is in pciex16_2
i didnt think it worked like that considering the xg-c100c is only PCIe Gen 3 x4 @buildorbuy , please help
i think i get from your video, understanding that this is just how it works, but is there a way to run my 10gb NIC and my 4090 at x16 gen 4? or is it not possible to?
Hi akirakeiko,
Welcome! That is correct. Yes it can be confusing. That's why We have focused on Slots and Storage Overview of PCIe Resources allocations. All Consumer Desktop Motherboards suffer from a lack of adequate PCIe Lanes.
What we all need and want are HEDT Motherboards.
Hi@@akirakeiko,
Not enough CPU PCIe Lanes. They get Split or Bifurcated. Default by Design. Hassle and a Bummer.
Hi@@akirakeiko,
To reiterate, you want a HEDT Motherboard. Better value as well.