ASUS ProArt X670E Creator WiFi Motherboard Slots and Storage
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- ASUS ProArt X670E Creator WiFi Motherboard. This is all about Slots and Storage for Content Creation. We're going to be identifying CPU and Chipset PCIe Lanes. This is all about Function over Form for Content Creation Rendering. We're going to look at the Motherboard. We are Answering a Subscriber Question!
Question: Does this Motherboard support DDR5 RAS ECC? YES, according to the Motherboard Bios Manual! Under DDR RAS. See: DDR ECC Configuration. Does this Motherboard support DDR5 ECC? No! IF confused, look Up RAM by Manufacturer's Memory Configurator according to the Motherboard.
Note: Lane count. Does a Device use 2 Lanes or 4 Lanes. Built on vs Add in card. Depends!
X670E Useable PCIe Lanes:
1. 24 usable CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes / 28 Total [32 - 4 Lanes connect CPU to 1st Chipset]
16 + 4 + 4 = 24 Lanes CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes
2. Promontory 21 - PCIe 4.0 [16 + 16 = 32 Lanes]
A. 8 usable PCIe lanes, Primary chipset
B. 12 usable PCIe lanes. Secondary chipset
Slots and Storage
1. 3 Slots - 2 to CPU; 1 through Chipset - Shared Bandwidth!
2. 4 M.2 Connectors - 2 to CPU; 2 through Chipset
AICs - Add in cards
1. Quad card
2. GPU optional!
3. 3rd Slot - 2 PCIe Lanes AIC - Add in card possibilities - 2 PCIe Lanes - USB 10Gbps AIC or 1080 Capture card
Going forward, USB will now be referred to by Speed.
USB 5Gbps [USB 3.0]
USB 10Gbps [USB 3.0 or USB-C]
USB 20Gbps [2x2]
USB 40Gbps [USB4]
Adobe After Effects Multi-Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core count = VRAM
Links:
1. ASUS ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI｜Motherboards
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2. AMD Ryzen 7000 Series Desktop Processors
www.amd.com/en/processors/ryzen
3. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - AMD
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
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4. AMD Zen 4 & Socket AM5 Explained- PCIe Lanes, Chipsets, Connectivity - TechPowerUp}
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5. [Motherboard] Compatibility of PCIe Bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards - Official Support -
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037...
6. AMD Socket AM5 Chipset - AMD
www.amd.com/en/chipsets/am5
7. ASUS X670 motherboard guide- AM5 kicks off in style with ROG Crosshair, ROG Strix, TUF Gaming, ProArt, and Prime - Edge Up
edgeup.asus.com/2022/x670-mot...
8. Intel's Unannounced 34-Core Raptor Lake CPUs Accidentally Displayed at Innovation 2022 - Tom's Hardware
www.tomshardware.com/news/int...
9. Intel JHL8540 Thunderbolt 4 Controller Product Specifications
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10. ASUS Z790-H770-B760 - The best motherboards for 13th Gen Intel Raptor Lake and 12th Gen Intel Alder Lake CPUs
www.asus.com/microsite/mother...
11. Intel Launches Raptor Lake at AMD- 24-core i9-13900K Arrives Oct 20 for $589 - Tom's Hardware
www.tomshardware.com/news/int...
12. Intel's Unannounced 34-Core Raptor Lake CPUs Accidentally Displayed at Innovation 2022 | Tom's Hardware
www.tomshardware.com/news/int...
13. PCWorld - ATX 3.0 explained: Why Intel just gave power supplies a major overhaul
www.pcworld.com/article/63185...
14. Ars Technica - USB-IF says goodbye to confusing SuperSpeed USB branding
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15. AVerMedia Live Gamer HD 2-PCIe Internal Game Capture Card, Record and Stream in 1080p 60 with Multi-Card Support, Low-Latency Pass-Through on Xbox series x/s, PS5, Nintendo Switch, Windows 10 (GC570) [Requires 2 PCIe Lanes = X2 PCIe Slot]
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16. Tom's Hardware - ASRock DDR5 Installation Stickers Blamed for Motherboard RMAs
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17. PCMag - It Looks Like PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSDs Require Bigger M.2 Slots
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18. Tom's Hardware - Corsair Teases First PCIe 5.0 SSD With 10,000MB/s of Bandwidth
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Hi MUMOD BIOS,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Encouragement! Lots of Highpoint Details obfuscated by Vendors about what matters most, PCIe Resource allocations! Block Diagrams really help to make those determinations legible and readily identifiable instead of Us guessing!
Just listened your video twice: thank you so much for the pace, the energy and the raw enthusiasm.... Really appreciated that you shared your logical path. Great presentation. Thanks for sharing.
Hi Andre Jorge,
Welcome! Outstanding! Glad You found this useful! This is an extremely important issue with all Motherboards! Especially Consumer Desktop Motherboards since they have Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources! Thank You for Your Comments!
I’m here catching your replay hun showing support ❤️
Hi Lisa Dee,
Always a Delight! I'm honored! Thank You for fitting me in to Your busy schedule! Blessings and Best Wishes! Appreciate Your Support!
Gill, thank you SO much for making this!
Even going in-depth with the z790 variant of this mobo that as of right now, isn't a thing yet.
I always do so much research before building a PC just because it's a major investment for me.
I built my 1st PC in 2015 and haven't built anything since, so this upgrade is well overdue.
Also, thanks for the info on 20Gbit! 2x2! That makes it so much easier when looking for motherboard features.
All these great motherboards and CPU's that they advertise, but they never tell you the tradeoff of getting them, but you do.
Gill, keep up the outstanding work!
Hi The Wright Network,
An honor and a privilege! Thanks for Asking! 2015, Ok. Longevity. Ok. Consumer Desktop? Are You locked in to that Platform? Tell Us more about Your Projects. Rendering? What's Your workload? 16, 24, 32, 34 or 64 CPU Cores. As You can see, based on Resources, the Chipset Rules! We need to find You the right balance. Add up the AICs - Add in Cards You need. How much RAM do You need or want. What kind or types of Upgrades might You Plan on utilizing? And how long do You expect this next Motherboard to last You? Let's dial this in to suit You! And do You want to Build now or in 2 more Years? There's always going to be something more sometime later! Now is a great time to Build! The best value is on a Workstation!
@@BuildOrBuy So my budget is definitely consumer desktop. I do enjoy gaming, but that’s secondary. I figure if I’m building a PC around creation, it should be able to handle gaming relatively easy.
I’m a photographer/videographer, TH-camr with completely different content across multiple accounts, and I produce music.
Ideally 64GB of ram so I have the option to upgrade to 128GB in the future for all the virtual instruments I use. I like the idea of DDR5 in my system, but if I can save a significant amount of money going with DDR4 then I’m A-ok with that.
Gen4 m.2 NVME drives are PLENTY fast for what I do, but I know I can’t just load up the mobo with as many cards as I’d like without some sort of AIC, so SATA III SSD’s are still fine for me along side the nvme drives (depending on how many lanes available)
The file sizes for video will vary, anywhere from a few hundred MBs to hundreds of GBs, so I was looking at motherboard with thunderbolt 4, but 20gigabit still works great compared to what I have now.
There’s always something new coming out, so I don’t have to have the latest and greatest, I learned that back in 2015, built my PC, spent around $2K and it was considered ‘outdated’ only a few months after I built it.
I know that’s a lot of information, but any recommendations are greatly appreciated, Gill!
Thanks!
Hi@@LM8Gaming,
Ok! As much as We like ASUS, based on Resource allocations, this next X670E Motherboard by MSI may be more preferable. Working on that Video now!
@@BuildOrBuy oh! Excited to see! My current board is actually a MSI X99S! I’m very familiar with MSI’s bios, so that may work!
Hi@@LM8Gaming,
Excellent! In the works! Appreciate Your Patience!
Your awesome Gil! You are very knowledgeable and very kind. Great mix! Way to go!
Hi Katrina McHyde,
Welcome! So are You! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! Hope You're doing well and good! How's Your Workstation Laptop doing? Hopefully Outstanding! Thank You for Watching! Blessings and Best Wishes!
@@BuildOrBuy My laptop is an example of your amazing expertise. You really know how to ask the right questions of exactly what a person is trying to accomplish with their computer, then being totally honest of what they need and don't need, and then being able to find it or build it. I am so grateful that you have this gift and you share it with the world so well. You are a blessing on this earth!
Hi@@katrinamchyde3994,
An honor and a Privaledge to help You with Your Content Creation Rendering requirements! Appreciate Your Comments, Help and Support! Blessings! Thank You for Asking and Sharing Your experience!
I just ordered the pro art because for virtualization and multi-tasking my old system had issues and I felt if I were to upgrade at least 3 PCIe slots and USB 4 would be needed so this was really the best choice I could find.
Likely a more modern graphics card, a 1070 and the third slot probably for passthrough or something else I find needed/useful.
Thank you for an in depth discussion of ASUS motherboard and the storage and lanes of the system as a whole.
Hi U1RTA4FORCE,
Welcome! Excellent! Glad We could help! Success on Your Build! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress! Details matter! Especially PCIe Resources!
I have the x570e, been quite happy with it
Hi Murray Webster,
This Chipset change makes Us also change the CPU and RAM. Curious or Interesting. Suspicious at least! The X570E worked. Now We're jumping over that as a Horizontal move. Faster but better? Still 16 CPU Cores. Memory Controller problem solved, ok. But what do We gain other than speed which creates new problems and new products. This seems more like an engineering Era sample to resolve design issues.
Incredible reviews and informative as always. Thank you for the video !
Hi Justin P,
Very much Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You for Watching! Working on next X670E Motherboard Video Overview now, as Requested!
@@BuildOrBuy so looking forward to it! Thank you !
Hi@@jphourcheu,
I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Should be ready to Premiere tomorrow!
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Hi Unglue
Outstanding! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! If You're looking for an X670E Motherboard, this next Video, MSI, may be preferable to this one by ASUS based on Resource allocations! We're working on it now!
Great video!
Hi Agustin Grattarola,
Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comment!
Hi BB, great video, yes a bit long for me but still was worth the full watch. What it has explained for me is the main CPU lane allocation. If I am right PCIE 5.0 at x8 will be as fast as PCIE 4.0 x16, so when I want to put a graphics card in for 8k video playback in the future, I can still keep 2 x NVME ssd's on an AIC in the second PCIE slot. So I can get the best of both worlds in terms of RAID0 on a pair of gen 5 ssd's and a graphics card when 8k becomes relevant. I really like this board as it offers all the USB connections at a variety of speeds to attach external hard drives, along with a whole host of other functionality that I can use as I learn more about using a board properly. Plus it looks lovely too 🙂. But to say again thanks for the excellent explanation of the lane allocation that puts my mind at rest that whilst expensive this board will give me anything I could wish for.
Hi Gordon Wheeler,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! We Edit for Content and Time as much as possible. Your GPU is PCIe 4.0 and will only run at PCIe 4.0. If Your GPU were PCIe 5.0 but alas is not and cannot. Think of it this way, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. Hence PCIe 4.0. Bummer, right. Anyway, expect a 1% to 2% Performance hit using X8 for GPU. Test and Verify. Your Results may vary.
None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500. These prices are on par with a Workstation Motherboard. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks very much for the reply, I was referring to a PCIE 5.0 graphics card (would've helped had I actually mentioned that 🙂) which dont exist yet so get why you refer to PCIE 4 in the reply, I will wait sometime before getting a graphics card as 8k is a long ways off yet. However good to know that using PCIE 4 in the meantime will still get good grunt over PCIE 5 slot. On the price this one is £500 in the UK where I am, still quite expensive, but I have no doubt that you get what you pay for in a board like this. Thanks again for the help and advice, am going to go for this board
Hi@@gordonwheeler627,
Glad We could assist! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
This Genetlman is really dedicated in counting lanes respect to him 😁
I have this motherboard. I am very happy with it so far. Not so confident in warranty services if something goes wrong, but until then.....
PCI Slots: I have a 3090 installed, as well as a a low profile 4060 (for more monitors) and an ATI 4650 (for the analog S-Video Out - Emulators) 11 monitors in total (1 is a CRT and there are also a 43" and 50" TV's, the other 8 are regular PC monitors)
M.2 (5.0 slots) 2x 4TB 990 pro, M.2 (pcie 4.0 slots): 2x TB teamgroups (one of those slots is only 2x being shared with the ATI 6450 which is also at 2x, if I remove one of them, the other would run at 4x)
2 more 2TB ssd's on SATA and 2x 16GB spinning
96 gb ram @ 6400mhz CL 32 (2x 48gb)
7950x
I pretty much have this mobo maxed out, using all but one usb port on the back and just the temperature sensor and chassis intrusion sensor ports unused, everything else is populated.. even the com port...
so far, so good! Their Armoury Crate software is a bit janky, but its not the end of the world. you barely need to use it if you want to at all, you could just do it all in the BIOS.
Hi Blastic,
Welcome. Definitely making full use of this Motherboard. Appreciate your comments.
Great job.
Hi John Paul Bacon,
Welcome! Much Appreciated! Thanks for Watching! Interesting use of PCIe Resources! We expected better coming from ASUS!
You are literally a godsend always doing such meticulous work. I have a question regarding PCIe Lanes, I am trying to use two M.2 slots, a GPU x16, USB4 for display and another USB4 to connect to the Caldigit TS4. have I used all my pcie lanes or could i still use the 10GBE lan port and would i have enough to add a soundcard? TIA
Hi Joel Di Ramon,
Welcome! Based on Your configuration requirements,
1. To the CPU M.2_ & M.2_2 are dedicated. Good.
2. 10GbE LAN Marvell is through the Chipset, dedicated. Good.
3. Sound card... Aa long as You don't use M.2_3, ok. Sound card in a PCIEx16_3 providing 2 Chipset Lanes or an Audio interface, external on USB 3 or USB-C. A Pro Audio interface for Content Creation may be a better value. You want Low Latency and quality Mic PreAmps. What Audio interface are You considering?
@@BuildOrBuy I was thinking of ditching my Volt by UA for an internal one to save space, but if I need the pcie lanes might as well keep an external one. Thanks for your reply!
One last question. If I ditch the sound card and use a capture card or the An1500 which is an added pcie card by Western digital. Am I okay with the lanes ?
Hi@@joeldiramon8538,
Keep Your UA Volt product unless it does not meet Your needs or requirements.
Whether Saving space internally or externally, this is about Resource allocations!
Nothing of any Sound card internally will match the Quality of what You have externally. Unless You're looking at something really high end with exotic Outs.
Here's an example of changing one thing changes everything. The Western Digital Black AN 1500 is an AIC Add in Card requiring a 4 PCIe Lane Slot since that's an M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive on a Card. And as such, each M.2 NVMe requires 4 PCIe Lanes.
If You want Your GPU in a X16 Slot, ditch the Western Digital Black AN 1500. If However You don't mind having Your GPU in an 8 Lane Slot AND don't mind wasting 4 precious PCIe Lanes, keep the Western Digital Black AN 1500 and use in the PCIEX16_2 Slot.
Another way to look at Resources, an M.2 NVMe permanently attached on a Single Drive Add in card vs same on Dual or Quad Adapter which can be removed is not good use of PCIe Resources. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the heavy analysis. after thorough thought Im actually going with an MATX motherboard the X670e Gene from Asus and have just one question. Everything makes sense talking about PCIE lanes, finally! so thank you for that but my question is, the motherboard doesnt have a DP in, does that mean I wont be able to get video from USB4? thanks
Hi@@joeldiramon8538,
Fascinating Question! The CPU has 2 GPU Cores. DisplayPort Alternate-Mode is supported by the 4 AMD 7000 CPUs. In other words, Without DisplayPort In, Your Internal GPU is Routing Video Out through USB4 if used. Crazy, right.
Thank you very much for the great video. I consider buying a PC with this MB and a 4090 GPU keeping the option of adding a second 4090 card (or successor or other AI accelerator) later.
The question is whether (AIO) water cooling on the first 4090 card would be needed. I have read that the MB works with 2 water cooled GPUs, but don´t know about combining a first air cooled GPU with a second water cooled one.
As I understand the two GPU slots PCIe_1 and PCIe_2 on this MB are just 2 slots apart. So one of these 2.5 slot air cooled GPUs (e.g. Gigabyte Windforce V2) would fit as first GPU, but how about cooling if later on a card is added to the second GPU slot (PCIe_2)? Would it alternatively be possible in the event a second card is needed to move the air cooled GPU from PCIe_1 to PCIe_2, sacrificing the PCIe_3 and adding a water cooled GPU in PCIe_1?
Just fantasic videos, I'm watching all your videos. My end goal is to have my 3090 in gpu slot 1, and an Avermedia GC573 (which is an PCI-Express Gen 2 x4 card) I assume I can run this in the bottom slot, while having 1 m2 drive in the first slot. I know this is possible on the x670e extreme video, but just making sure I can do that on this one as well without sharing lanes.
Hi Luke Braddford,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! This ASUS X670E ProArt can only allocate 2 PCIe Lanes to PCIEX16_3 Slot! By Default, that Slot is NOT enabled! Useless only having 2 PCIe Lanes on a Slot! Especially when We need 4 Lanes! X670E Extreme to the rescue! Success on Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy thank you so much for clearing up my confusion. It’s expensive but what can you do. Will watch and share your videos from here on in.
Hi@@lukebraddford3287,
Absolutely! A crazy convoluted mess! We need more PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards! The other Option would be a Workstation. Potentially more CPU Cores and more PCIe Lanes, from 28 to 128 Lanes! Appreciate Your Support! Happy Thanksgiving!
Hey, just subscribed to your channel. Love the content. I have 2 3090tis that are NVlinked, and I was wondering whether Ill be able to continue using them on these new X670E boards. Thanks
Hi Brashenn,
Welcome! Honored! Outstanding! Depends. Width looks like 3 Slots wide. On 2 - 8 Lane CPU PCIe Slots. What's Your existing Slot spacing? Should be the same no matter which PCIe 4.0 Motherboard Chipset. And You have NVLink! Gone on Consumer RTX 4000 series GPUs! Crazy, right! Hope that helps! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Plenty of Rendering power!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much for the reply Gill! Yep, it was a real bummer that they removed the NVlink bridge not just on the consumer cards but the pro cards as well. The new RTX 6000 cards don't have them either. I might have to stick to Threadripper though as apparently you need SLI certified boards to activate NVlink.
Hi@@Brashenn,
Absolutely! Appreciate Your Comments! We had not read anything about the NVIDIA Pro cards having NVLink removed. To reiterate, only Consumer NVIDIA RTX 4090 cards. Sticking to a WRX80 Workstation Motherboard another reason, SLI! As if We needed one! Best utilization of PCIe Resources with 128 CPU PCIe 4.0 Lanes!
NVIDIA Specs are slim Pickens!
www.nvidia.com/en-us/design-visualization/rtx-6000/
Nvidia unveils next-generation RTX 6000 workstation GPU | CG Channel
www.cgchannel.com/2022/09/nvidia-unveils-next-gen-rtx-6000-workstation-gpu/
Q: NVLink support? Yes!
Search: new RTX 6000 ada Lovelace nvlink
Hope that helps! Amazing times to be Building any kind of Computer whether Consumer or Workstation!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much for the info and the links. I guess we'll have to wait to see officially whether the NVlink is there on the pro cards or not. Not long now. Thanks again and looking forward to your new vids!
Hi@@Brashenn,
I'm honored! Definitely concur with Your position! We need more Information! Stands to reason to be completely removed. However begs the Question why now and still on PCIe 4.0. Going to be interesting to see NVIDIA explain NVLink away on Pro cards since NVBridge links require Pro cards. Curious situation! Appreciate Your Comments! These are Definitely Details that matter! Thanks for Sharing! Let Us know when You get more Info on that topic!
After watching this 3 times, I’m getting quite comfortable with the content. Very interesting. A bit confusing at times. The wall behind you needs a whiteboard so you can hand draw a diagram or two, especially for either/or scenarios. I personally will not need an expansion board for drives. What I would like to see is some recommendations for what should go where for some typical lower end configurations. I’m thinking of a 1 GB and a 2 GB NVME and GPU with 12 GB VRAM. What should go where on the Pro Art? Is a lower spec motherboard more appropriate? Thinking ASUS TUF for the cheaper one. Cheaper. I won’t be making more than 4K video. Thinking 7900X.
Suggestions welcome. Thanks for the videos. Oh, I sure do agree about the usefulness of a well done block diagram!
Hi Edward Kilner,
Welcome! Excellent idea! We've considered a Dry Marker White Board or a Presentation Screen Touch Screen.
We Focus on Content Creation Rendering. For that, We use the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. As stated...
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
Therefore, 16 CPU Cores x 4 = 64GBs RAM and 16GBs VRAM. Those 3 Numbers are the starting point for a Purpose Built Rendering Computer.
Suggest: 7950X CPU
www.amd.com/en/product/12151
You're looking at the right Chipset for this price point of PCIe Resources. Hope that helps! None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500.00! Let's hope ASUS will reconsider those Block Diagrams!
1 GPU, Yes. Boot Drive, 1TB or 2TB. Depends. Typically a Boot Drive, maybe a Cache or Render Drive then a Storage Drive. The Storage Drive should be SATA spinning Drive 4TB to 8TB. Preferably Removable or Hot Swap / Hot Plug.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the complete answer. Will continue to watch your videos. Will likely wait a while before buying a motherboard and see if my understanding deepens and offerings increase.
Hi@@EdwardKilner,
Absolutely! We have the potential just not released yet. Intel has the W680 Chipset quietly released. Supports DDR5 ECC for Office Workstation. Only Supermicro has a Motherboard for that Chipset. We expect other Chipsets to follow. When? Crystal ball forecasting, maybe the end of this year. Newer CPUs are going to require newer Chipsets. And even though everything will be PCIe 5.0, PCIe 6.0 is soon to follow. Current Consumer Desktop Motherboards are severely lacking in PCIe Resources. Yes, AMD will follow. If Building now the AMD WRX80 Workstation Threadripper Pro Platform is the best value at $100 per CPU Core with PCIe 4.0. Food for thought. Options!
Hello, thanks for the informative videos. I was wondering if a pcie card with lets say x4 would also work in a x2 electrically slot like this board has just with the reduced bandwidth or simply wont work? Thanks!
Hi Ander,
Welcome! Great Question! Appreciate Your Comments! Interesting and Fascinating Discussion! Remember, each M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes period! To do what You Propose requires a PLX Chip to do the PCIe Lane Switching. There are 2 types of add in cards for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives, Bios Bifurcated cards and Self Bifurcated cards. Self Bifurcated cards have PLX Chips. In the Beginning and on some Motherboards, We have seen such as You Describe for an M.2 Connector on a Motherboard with Shared PCIe Resources. But those are rare since for the most part M.2 NVMe PCIe is a priority of Dedicated Resources. But absolutely not on a Slot. To reiterate that aspect requires a PLX Chip on the add in card. Yes there have been Workstation Motherboards from ASUS with PLX Chips to get around limited PCIe Lane availability. However, now current Workstation Motherboards utilize CPUs and Chipsets with more PCIe Lanes. We expect to see more of those limited Resources in future CPUs and Chipsets. Bifurcation is always a function of CPU PCIe Lanes unless there's a PLX Chip involved! Hope that helps! A better understanding of PCIe Resources for Slots and Storage!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reply! Let’s see if I have understood, for a pcie card (I meant any type, also nics, hbas and so on) the card does need that PLX chip to support a different line count. So if I see a x4 card and I want to run it on x2 I have to look for that chip right? Instead will not work at all.
Thanks for your time.
Hi@@ander1482,
No. Let's try this again another way. ASUS WS X299 Sage/10G has Dual PLX Chips to increase the CPU PCIe Lane count for adding PCIe Slots to the Motherboard. Verify from Motherboard PDF Manual. See: Block Diagram. There is no mention otherwise anywhere in the Motherboard Manual about those PLX Chips.
If the PLX Chip is Built-in to the Motherboard, that's to increase the Lane count on the Motherboard for PCIe Slots. If the PLX Chip is Built-in to the add in card, that's for PCIe Lane Switching. PLX Chips are only on add in cards for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives. No other.
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Great information in this video, Gill, thanks! Although I'm more confused than ever! 😅 I'm looking to upgrade my 11yr old 3930K x79 system and was looking at this mobo with the 7950x. With that system I had quad channel memory but reading about RAM speed dropping when 4 sticks are added on x670e, I'm not sure I want to drop $5K+ into a platform with a heap of shortcomings. Are there any recommendations for a "pro-sumer" build at the moment? Really missing HEDT options right now, but I also don't have the budget for a TR workstation.
Hi Justin,
Welcome! Bummer! Our Goal was clarity of Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations! We miss the HEDT as well! The Intel W680 might be Your best choice. DDR5 ECC for Workstation reliability using a 16 Core CPU. We're working on a Video about that Platform.
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for this, looking forward to it! I think back to when I first built my current system and I had every intention to upgrade the CPU over time. Turns out I never did so the whole 'upgrade' path battle I'm having with myself is somewhat a moot point. By the time I DO upgrade again, they'll most likely be on to the next iteration meaning a full rebuild anyway! 😅
Hi@@justinhawley1002,
Appreciate Your Patience! We can relate! So many changes occurring so fast, most of Us want those new features anyway!
i'm in a similar boat to you (same CPU) and the current motherboard options are making it hard. i'm not sure options are going to improve in the reasonable future though, so i will probably make a decision on something.
Hi@@NuclearArbitor,
Welcome! Interesting thought. Agreed. Intel is suppose to have something soon on HEDT with more PCIe Resources. The Question is when. Probably 12 months out at the earliest. The next option is a Workstation if You need those extra PCIe Resources. Tough call right now. Once Intel releases new products, expect AMD to follow so as not to be outdone again. And here We are the rest of Us to Build now or later. Depends upon needs and wants. Thanks for Sharing Your thoughts and directions!
I am looking seriously at this MOBO, question about the front panel header; is there something specific I should be looking for in a case to take full advantage of the header that should provide power as well? Also, with the 3 type C connections on the back, I believe they are 40/20/20 Gb, if the 40 port is usable even if not used for video? Thanks in advance.
Hi brian dobyns,
Welcome! Great Questions!
1. Front Panel USB-C on Case. That's all. Power to that Front Panel Port is provided through that Power tap on the Motherboard right next to the 24 pin Power tap.
2. Motherboard Rear Panel...
USB4 40Gbps / USB4 40Gbps/ USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 in a row! Hope that helps! Enjoy!
BTW: Your RAM will be On-die ECC which is Non ECC DDR5 RAM. Stick to RAM QVL! Keep Us Posted on Your Build!
asus is only advertising usb4 support on their x670e motherboards that have it despite using thunderbolt 4 controllers. I don't think it's known/anyone has tested if the thunderbolt 4 support is disabled in the bios but can be used anyway yet
Hi Gregory Beauregard,
Welcome! Yes, Excellent point! Lots We don't know yet until We can see either the Bios Manual or an actual Bios configuration! Appreciate Your Comment!
Answered many questions I had. I was wondering if I was the only one that couldn't find the block diagrams. Almost every board over the years has had that. Seems like new boards just don't have as much detail with them as they used to. Thanks for the extremely helpful info. Just curious but I've read in a few places that USB4 is Thunderbolt 3/4 backwards/sideways compatible. Anyone know if that is true with this board? Subbed...
Hi PDXborn,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support! ASUS use to have the best Documentation! However lately due to obfuscation, No Block Diagrams which is nuts! Right now, Only MSI has the absolute best documentation! Even that one page is buried in the very back! And... to reiterate, Only requires one page! Agreed, We need that Info!
Yes to Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 being backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3. We have several Videos about Thunderbolt technologies. As such, using the Thunderbolt moniker implies Intel Thunderbolt 4 Chipset until the ASMedia Chipset becomes available!
ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/197981/thunderbolt-4-controllers.html
Hope that helps!
As a content creator I find this motherboard very frustrating. The two x8 PCI slots are too close togther to allow 3090s to cool properly. Sure they will fit but the cooling (especially vram on the bottom card) will be HORRIBLE unless you got for noisy blower style cards.
Hi russlondon,
Welcome! And ProArt on Motherboards does nor properly address Content Creators! Another good example! Another option would be custom cooling as a possibility. Not a fan of liquid but still a possibility to explore! Appreciate Your Comments! What other issues do You see with this Motherboard? Which other X670E Motherboard are You contemplating? What's Your Render engine?
Get a case with riser cables or watercool your GPU
Hi@@MrColtux,
Welcome! Glad You've brought that up! Of the PCIe 4.0 Riser cables We've Tested, all suffered from BSODs. Bummer! We expect that to only become more problematic with PCIe 5.0! A better solution would be the GPU Cooling Solution as You have mentioned! Appreciate Your!
Thanks Gill for this video, very helpful. I am in the market for a new board/cpu and have been considering this and the 7950x. My current system has been x99-E WS with a Xeon E5-2680 v3(+32gb ram) . It has been a good system, but is showing its age.
What I am looking for in a new board is something that can take a RTX a5500(Or equivalent) with the option down the road for a duplicate if needed. I never did a dual card setup in a machine before, but I want to get a board that can support that if needed down the road. The only other concern I have with this board is what will my ram speed be if I use all 128 GB down the road (Currently only going to be doing 64gb to start)
Uses for the board: aftereffects (motion design), some video editing and possibility for 3D(Houdini/redshift).
Other concerns: Wattage/heat - Main reason for aiming for workstation cards(RTX) vs gaming cards. I am also aiming for AMD vs Intel 13 gen because of the same heat concerns.
Hi Jim M,
Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Ok. Does DDR ECC matter? If so, consider the Intel W680 Workstation Chipset. More HEDT than Workstation. The 2nd issue would be if You require 2 X16 Slots OR are You ok with both GPUs in X8 each? Going to the Density You want in DDR5, We're getting there. Albeit somewhat slowly. Cross reference Motherboard Manufacturer QVL and RAM Manufacturers to Verify capacity has been Tested. Pick at least 2 preferably 3 Different Brands of RAM when checking. Also suggest stick with 1 GPU. Keep it Simple! But to reiterate, what You ask is doable. You have more growing room. Yes, for lots of reasons We too prefer AMD. A Value Proposition! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks Gill for the response I really appreciate the feedback, massively helpful. I've been looking at various ram speeds, and I think I would prefer ECC ram, but don't know what the impact is to the work that I do. Most of what I will be using this machine for is after effects work using the red giant plugins(Which I think are more GPU Driven). I am hoping to do Houdini/redshift work at some point as well, nothing that crazy resource heavy and think this machine will be overkill for what I will be doing in the near future.
I'm with you about the single GPU card, I most likely will not buy a second card or need one. If I need increased GPU power rendering, that is when I have used cloud services in the past which will be faster than any single machine I care to build would render. On that topic, I am waiting till March/April to see if Nvidia comes out with the 4000/5000 versions of there ada workstation cards. There are no rumors that point to this, but I have noticed that Nvidia releases these cards(If they do) around this time period. So I planning to limp along with my p2200 if I can.
I'll look into the Intel motherboard you recommended. My leaning toward AMD is that this is a new format that AMD supposedly will be supporting till 2025(Zen4), and the AMD CPUs tend to not be as thermally hot as the intel(From the specs I am seeing).
My current work setup is having 2 drives on my system(Main boot, and a drive for storing work files) both are SSD. I am considering having a M.2 main boot drive and seeing if I would have enough PCIe lanes to have a 2nd M.2 drive for my work file drive or to stick with my SSD.
I'm re-watching this video as I am writing to determine that. I had a breakthrough this afternoon, understanding PCI-e lingo, so I think I might still be in the clear for amount of lanes. Thank you so much for your videos, I thought I knew a ton about PC tech and I am learning a whole new level with your videos.
Hi@@jinomian01,
Excellent! For ECC, wise choice. Stats indicate a 1% to 2% performance hit using ECC. Error Correction takes a beat. Not bad considering. PCIe Resource allocations became a big deal with PCIe 3.0 and M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives! Game changer. Most did not notice. We realized such was the case on Intel X299 Chipset, VROC and Bifurcation. All at once! Remember to Count Your CPU PCIe Lanes and Chipset PCIe Lanes then from Design see how that bears out through implementation. Fascinating Topic! This is easier to digest with Motherboard Block Diagrams! Otherwise, reverse Engineer!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you Gill!
Hi@@jinomian01,
Absolutely! Glad to help! Your best Options are either Intel W970 HEDT - DDR5 ECC or AMD WRX80 Workstation - DDR4 ECC.
I've been trying to figure out info about this specific board. I wanna use a 4x PCIE 2.0 card with an x670e mobo (specifically an elgato 4k60 mk1). I've been disappointed to find most x670e motherboards don't even have adequate PCIE wired to anything other than the first two slots, which would require splitting a lot of unnecessary bandwidth from the GPU. Yes I'm aware that pulling 8 lanes of PCIE 4.0 is very unlikely to impact most gaming experiences but I plan to use a new motherboard like this for well over half a decade so I want to know I'm making a solid decision with no compromises if I'm going to be spending over $500 for a mobo after tax. It is a creator board after all, gaming is not my primary focus. I don't know what I'll be doing in a few years that I'll need to ensure I'll have full bandwidth but I know something will come up.
The manual for this motherboard states that the third slot only can carry 2x PCIE as it demands to split it with m.2 port 3, which is not only insane to me but questionable in it's legitimacy. I've also heard that some ASUS boards this generation (not this one specifically) have a PCIE 3.0/4.0 switch in order to properly support PCIE 2.0 devices (something about the handshake failing in 4.0 mode). There's only so many places I can look for this info on a product so new. I'm very interested to see a PCI card plugged into the third slot and see what kind of configuration can be created for it with a situation such as this.
I'm considering getting this board and then converting the bottom left m.2 slot to PCIE 4x using an adapter.
Hi
Jack Witherell,
Welcome! Great point and a distinct possibility! A poor use of PCIe Resource distribution given the Technology and timing. We need those missing Block Diagrams! To reiterate, 2 Lanes is not very useful when We need 4 PCIe Chipset Lanes for that 3rd Slot! Less of something else!
@@BuildOrBuy nice well it looks like I'll be giving the m.2 to 4x PCIE adapter a shot anyways because other mobos either are backordered to November or are too expensive.
Hi@@makeshiftsavant,
Both the Gigabyte X670E Aorus Xtreme and Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master each
have 1 - 4 Lane Chipset Slot. None of these are ideal for PCIe Resources. For Capture, have You considered a Blackmagic external Device?
Hi Jack, I'm more less in the same situation.
I'm a little bummed with the *X670E* chipset as most vendors overly favored NVMe drives and gimped the third PCIe slot in the process.
If you are OK going with previous chipsets, the *Asus ProArt X570* has the 3rd PCIe slot as a *PCIe4 x4* while the *Asus ProArt Z690* has it as a *PCIe3 x4*.
Maybe wait for the *Asus ProArt Z790* to see if gets better, but so far the *X570* looks the best for that third slot, they are just real hard to get at the moment.
Hi@@makeshiftsavant,
Another Option, the MSI Meg X670E Ace has a PCIe 5.0 X4 Slot to the CPU! Another possible option! That's the next X670E Motherboard on the List, By Subscribers Request!
Hi Gill, thank you for explaining all this, I'm planning to get a x670e ProART Creator, so let me ask you straight: If I plug in two Gen4 GPU's in both Gen5 x8 slots, will I get the full Gen4 bandwidth on both slots, that's two times 32 GBytes/s, right?
Hi Jurgen,
Welcome. Yes. Good to know this before proceeding further. Appreciate your comments. Those are M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0 X4 Slot Connectors. Backwards compatible with PCIe 4.0 X4. Use: M.2_1 and M.2_2. Both M.2 Slot Connectors are PCIe 5.0 X4. Only a PCIe Slot could be X8 but NOT a PCIe M.2 Slot Connector which are only X4. Remember all M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives utilize 4 PCIe Lanes. Whereas as an SSD of any form factor uses only 1 PCIe Lane. That all could change in the not too distant future.
An M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD should achieve 3,500MBs/sec per Drive.
@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gill,
thank you for getting back to me! Well, I was actually.meaning the two long x16 slots on the ProArt x670 mainboard, so what if I plug two Nvidia RTX 4000 GPU"s in there (you know, each of them got 2 encoding and two decoding chips inside, also for AV1). Will these two GPU boards work at their full bandwidth of 32 GB/s, or will they slow down to 16 GB/s each (=128 Gb/s), cause Gen5 x8 is slowing them down?
- This was my initial question.
As far as I found out, PCIe Gen4 x4 has a bandwidth of up to 8 GB/s (=64 Gb/s), Gen 5 x4 diubles this to up to 16 GB/s (=128 Gb/s}. Thus corresponds to the storage speeds of recent M.2 NVMe SSD drives.
- Using an ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen5 PCIe-card, it should be easy to record up to 8 to 10 incoming AV1 encoded 4k60p video streams, each one got a bandwidth of only ~10 Mb/s!
As far as I found out, it is also possible to insert a riser cable into an M.2 SSD slot that at its other end features a standard x16-size PCIe slot, with a 8 GB/s bandwidth (64 Gb/s).
Same riser cables exist for Gen5 x4, that will give you full 16 GB/s (128 Gb/s) bandwidth!
Another technology that can transport full 8GB/s (=64 Gb/s) is called OcuLink. There are m.2 adapters with an Oculink-Plug tbat also connects to an external PCIe-slot, but the Riser-cable seems much simpler and cheaper, ans can also deal with Gen5 x4 speeds.
Well, Gill, that's all I found out about these complicated matters, hope my insights can help you or others to get this all together for video streaming and recording. Cheers and thanks again!
Hi@@shareyourfare,
You're welcome. Understand. Test and Verify. Thanks for Sharing. To reiterate, when using both CPU PCIe Slots, each drops to X8 PCIe Lanes. In essence, not enough PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards.
Great video! Looking to buy a new PC via PCSpecialist(UK) using this mobo, but they're telling me they can't install 4x16gb DDR5-6000Mhz memory modules because this X670E chipset doesn't like all 4 slots to be used at once, only 2. Does that sound right? Intended storage will be 2x2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus-G M.2 drives with just a simple Intel Arc A750 8Gb Graphics Card.
Not planning on using any kind of RAID, CPU will be the Ryzen 9 7950X3D 16 Core. Can't imagine this config would overload any lanes or am I missing / not understanding something?
Hello Richard,
Welcome! Good Question. Correct. Design and Implementation. Bios Updates are not there yet. And this may be obsolete before they get there. This is all new territory with DDR5. Growing Pains are a PITA!
@@BuildOrBuy PITA indeed! All this bifurcation and lane sharing, thought building computers would be easier in these modern times, but nope! Thank you for your reply!
OH MAN! you saved my 600 USD! I was thinking about buyng this mobo, to build a VMix machine, and add to it a video card(rtx 3080) and 2 video capture cards( a magewell AIO 4k and a BM Duo 2, bouth of them need X4 lanes on the PCie slot), two M.2 NMVE drive and a SATA drive. Now i know i cant use the 3rd PCie slot for a capture card. I need to look fore other mobo to build my machine. I will think better if i will do it with the new Ryzen series and the new mobos, or i should stick with the AMD 5950x and x570 mobos. THX!
Hi Streaming Team Romania,
Welcome! Glad You caught that tid bit of information before hand rather than after the fact! Excellent Requirements! Count Your available CPU PCIe Lanes. For instance, how many CPU PCIe Lanes on the 5950X? 20 CPU PCIe 4.0 Lanes. And how many on the 7950X? 24 CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes! Both CPU and corresponding Chipsets Support BIOS Bifurcation if that matters. However, neither have enough CPU nor Chipset PCIe Lanes to fully utilize their potential. So where do We go? Requiring more PCIe Resources means either HEDT or Workstation or settle on Building 2 Computers. One function for each. Crazy, right. If You're Streaming You may also be Editing. Streaming and Editing are easy on Computer Resources. When You start Rendering, that's when You really need more Processing Power to do the heavy lifting.
For Rendering, We use the Adobe Rendering Formula defined as the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula stated as:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
16 CPU Cores = 64GBs RAM
16 CPU Cores = 16GBs VRAM
And that's a starting point to scale up from Hope that helps! We have a Video about that Formula.
My ProArt x670e was great for four months...right until it abruptly cut off in the middle of a movie and never turned back on. Wouldn't even POST. Measured the voltage coming off of the PSU through the motherboard cable and current coming from the outlet. Everything checked out there, so it's a safe bet that the issue is the motherboard. ASUS tech support was an ordeal and they wanted to charge me to ship a large, double-boxed box. It took several hours on the phone to get a shipping label to pay for the shipping cost to their RMA center. They told me they don't have any more ProArt x670e mainboards available if mine can't be repaired, so the best I can hope for is a refurbished board in three weeks or so.
Hi Joseph Kominkiewicz,
Welcome! Motherboard failure. Bummer. You're not the First. Most have issues within the 1st 30 days. Usually RAM not Registering or Motherboard not Booting successfully. Manufacturers are having issues with Quality Control. Not something We're use to dealing with for Computers. 4 months. Suggest get a different Model. And keep the Packaging for the life of the warranty. We've never had good luck with an RMA from ANY Motherboard Manufacturer. Thank You for Sharing Your Experience. Other Viewers need to know as well so they know what to expect! Appreciate Your Comments! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
hiii gill! can you please do a deep dive into 'ryzen 7000 thunderbolt compatibility'?
people reported issues with proart x570 drivers, i also wonder whether these issues will continue into 7000,
and whether the boards like the taichi or proart behave differently from each other,
or if the other boards which have a thunderbolt header for an add-in card perform the same, better, or worse?
I'm happy to hear proart has maple ridge chip, but i really need the thing to 'really' work, like the intel ones just work. (usually.)
i'm unclear on where usb 4 stops and thunderbolt stops, i want thunderbolt-net/p2p connections. but i'm also curious about displays and docks
i've got some threadrippers i'm using as, essentially servers, hosting and software development. i'm trying to find mainstream boards i can buy to supplement my server room's capabilities. i'm hoping that the proart will allow me to use their dual usb4 ports as nics, because i have no need for usb and don't want to waste lanes for a 40gbps qsfp+ nic. i expect, because it's usb, that using them as nics won't have great latency, and probably only 32gbps max (if that), but that is ok for where i need them as just a backhaul between 3 machines in a triangle. the need is for a dedicated network for vm transfer, leaving the 10gig nic for actual traffic for the servers and the 2.5 gig for control plane and private/sensitive/lan traffic
is this feasible? should i just cool my jets, work off my existing infra, wait for a few years? kinda feeling like 6 is probably too far way. i can consider upgrading or increasing capacity once more when that comes this way?
relatedly, the 10gig nic is also shared? or no? and the 2.5gig nic is shared on the chipset? so i could use unshared 2 x8, a couple nvme, then shared would be 1-2 nvme, 10gig nic, 2.5gig nic, and the 2 usb4 ports i'm commandeering as nic's? what would i even use an x2 pci4 slot for? i'm thinking i'd not use that because the nvme+10g+2.5g+2usb4 probably totally saturates the x4 link, right? 4xpci4 is 8GB/s is 64 gigabit.. and a single nvme could just about saturate that whole thing... so it sounds like there's gonna be a lot of contention if i actually tried to use the whole board. am i overthinking this? will GPUDirect/RDMA type tech make this issue... different than it was in the past? because it doesn't have to hop back to the cpu?
the chipset stuff makes me worry, what i understand is dedicated comms. i'm already doing a lot, running many vm's which are sharing these resources, the hypervisor uses every byte of network i give it, automatically. and so i don't want to be knee deep troubleshooting, worried it's my motherboard causing this or that issue, i cause enough trouble with my code that i want to minimize hardware level problems. :-)
it really feels like a middle child line, they made.. quite a few compromises. if they hadn't daisy chained the chipsets... or if they had used pci 5 for chipset to chipset and chipset to cpu comms... but they didn't. so now it's not an easy decision.
to me, more cores won't matter if they don't actually give us real lanes,
or someone actually makes an expansion that splits x8 pci 5 into x16 pci 4 or pci3.
i'd love a deep dive into cxl and that nvme key value thing... as a programmer it sounds like i can use my nvme drive as a redis store... and that is highly interesting to me...
so with these chips, what is different can usb4 (40gbps not 20) do everything tb can, it just isn't licensed the same? do the chips work with each other? it almost sounds like there will be new revs of motherboards with usb4v2? is that _soon_? or like, 2 years from now?
Hi Drewry Pope,
Welcome! Great Question and Comments! Each of these are lengthy in thought and detail.
Had a hard time keeping my mouth shut about this due to Video being specifically about the Motherboard, Slots & Storage and Answering a Subscribers Questions not wanting to deep dive a possible rabbit hole!
*AMD Ryzen 7000 and Thunderbolt*
Discovering what We know to be true. In retrospect, no wonder AMD stated getting Thunderbolt functionality on X570 accomplished was easy in light of DisplayPort support which We now see on X670E!
1. DisplayPort Alternate-Mode in CPU. CPU Lanes makes the most sense for Thunderbolt connectivity.
2. On other Block Diagrams We see one 10Gbps USB-C Port on 2 CPU PCIe Lanes.
However, no 10Gbps USB-C Port out the I/O Panel! That I/O Panel has 2 USB4 Ports and 1 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 Port! That 20Gbps USB-C is out the Chipset due to all of those 10Gbps USB 3 Ports which should be Out CPU Lanes. Either way, that's 4 PCIe 4.0 Lanes!
3. Thunderbolt requires 4 PCIe Lanes since Thunderbolt 3, 4 and USB4 V1are based on PCIe 3.0, 4 Lanes even though We have PCIe 5.0! And that may be the key.
And this where We have had difficulty with counting 32 Total *CPU PCIe Lanes*. 24 / 28 + 4 to connect CPU to Primary Chipset.
24 = 16 + 4 + 4 (1 Slot + 2 M.2)
24 + 4 + 4 = 28 + 4 = 32
Everything USB is typically using 4 CPU Lanes. 5Gbps USB 3.0 on 4 Ports should be 4 Lanes unless those are piggy backed. Possible. Yet here, if We're using CPU PCIe Lanes, We're short 2 CPU PCIe Lanes if 32 is the total Count. Unless my math accountability of CPU PCIe Lanes is way off. Depends on how We count those Lanes used by USB 3.0.
The only way to resolve this conundrum would be Lane splitting to make sense of Lane allocations since We have PCIe 5.0 Lanes. And I could be wrong. But since You asked! Eager to share and theorize based on what We know then reverse Engineer that possibility.
4. If that 10Gbps USB-C Port is not used, how are those 2 CPU PCIe Lanes reused or reallocated.
5. If according to Bus utilization and Chipset PCIe Lane prioritization, that should be Second Chipset PCIe Lanes for USB 3.0 Ports. And We know, based on to reiterate other Block Diagrams, USB 2.0 is on the CPU and those can definitely piggyback USB 3.0 Ports fir PCIe Lane allocations.
We really need to see a Block Diagram but easy to see why We don't due to this implementation which would give away possible knowledge to competitors! Ingenious! However, the Question still exists, how are Resources allocated to CPU DisplayPort and Thunderbolt/ USB4. A good indicator can be by perusing over Gigabyte and ASRock X670E Block Diagrams!
6. Intel Maple Ridge Chipset. Could be using CPU or Chipset PCIe Lanes! Still a Question.
7. Getting Thunderbolt/ USB4 working.
A. Motherboard Chipset update.
B. Thunderbolt Firmware update.
C. Drivers.
Historically to get Thunderbolt 3 working requires those 3, in Order. Miss a step. Lose Thunderbolt into oblivion!
D. Thunderbolt Bios settings. Simple on Thunderbolt 3 compared to Thunderbolt 4. USB4? If the 5 pin Header now being implemented by Gigabyte for USB4 AICs is any indication, back to simplification! As well as the Simplified USB settings being indicated generically also by Gigabyte in Bios settings. Not enough Specifics yet until We can actually see those Bios settings.
Historically, Thunderbolt has 2 Memory Apertures to be set or increased to allow for Device Connectivity. Otherwise, Connect, Disconnect occurs.
Too much Obfuscation! Someone needs to publish a Thunderbolt Functionality Thesis explaining what We're talking about! And I may be over thinking this but curious enough to ask and contemplate due to the ramifications You're Asking about!
We're talking PCIe Lane accountability and latency due to Device Connectivity location, CPU, Primary Chipset or Secondary Chipset.
Before We go any further, what are Your Thoughts thus far?
Based on PCIe Resources and Best utilization of said Resources, typically on this Dual Chip Chipset, X670E Chipset, We have a Total of 32 Lanes according to what We can ascertain.
16 Total PCIe Chipset Lanes per Chipset Chip.
8 Usable on Primary Chipset.
12 Usable on Secondary Chipset.
Interesting math getting to the Total allocations whether counting by High value targets or Per Chip based on other Block Diagrams. Fascinating discovery and Discussion! We need to know thus much I think before We get into the rest of what You're asking. Like You said, where does USB4 start and where does Thunderbolt stop.
Right now, based on what We're seeing, this boils down to Chipset, Firmware support. We've see the 1st differentiation on Chipsets having a setting in Motherboard Bios for PCIe Tunneling over USB4. Put another way, If a Motherboard Chipset has Thunderbolt 4 support but dies not have that Bios setting for Tunneling, no USB4 going forward unless their are Bios / Firmware updates to enable that support which based on the Intel Maple Ridge Chipset supports! That's why I called it Lipstick! PITA!
Expect We're going to be hearing from Viewers asking about why their respective Motherboards do not have USB4 but do have Thunderbolt 4. Crazy, right.
To reiterate, 20Gbps USB-C is so much easier to implement.
Eager to address Your next Comment regarding 20Gbps USB-C 2X2!
@@BuildOrBuy truly gill, this is amazing. thank you so much for this answer. i'm going to reread this a couple times to make sure i understand it all.
I sent you an image of a card that came with the ROG Crosshair X670E Hero for M.2. Unfortunately, not what we are looking for although a PCI 5. I need an NVidia 4090 and the fastest but not large size raid drive. Looks like I will be waiting for a while. On Intel cores, it's about how many of those are e-cores.
Hi David White,
Did not realize that was You! Thanks for sending! Ok, got it! This next Motherboard may be more appropriate for Your needs. We'll keep that in mind as We Answer this next Subscriber Question for the X670E Chipset Motherboard on MSI! Both ASUS and MSI are doing amazing things with M.2 on this Chipset. However, by doing so, this neglects Slot Resources. From what We're seeing, way too many USB Ports! That could easily recover 4 very much needed PCIe Lanes most likely to Chipset, doubtful about CPU PCIe Lanes. The NVIDIA RTX 4090 is a beast! Even a HEDT probably would not work due to Slot space since the RTX 4090 is 3.5 to 4 Slots wide. What about the RTX A6000? 2 Slots wide. CUDA Cores the issue?
@@BuildOrBuy Memory (24Gb) and cuda cores for machine learning. Extremely Fast but small (1 terabyte) storage. I assume that 1 terabyte sticks will be the smallest on PCIE 5 maybe two by the time they ship.
Hi @@davidwhite2011,
We'll start addressing more Consistently GPU Slot Width due to the NVIDIA RTXs. You bring up an excellent point about M.2 NVMe PCIe 5.0, Density of Chips! Of what Capacities can We expect. All We know are NVMe Chipset Controllers, Phison E26 and Silicone Motion SM2508! To reiterate, Nothing yet about Capacities only mentions so far are about denser Memory Chips to produce less heat. We shall see! Test and Verify! After this MSI, We'll swing back to Your ASUS model to go over Slots and Storage of PCIe Resources! Fascinating Topic for Discussion!
@@BuildOrBuy Also new AMD chips will probably have to be delidded and run with direct die water cooling or you will be throttled at 90C. Debaur has a great video on that "Ryzen 7000 Delidding - Unreal Temperature improvement with Direct-Die Cooling"
Hi@@davidwhite2011,
That makes this Generation Processor of 16 CPU Cores more about tinkering that Processing. A lot of work to gain an although significant reduction in heat a design problem instead of a Rendering solution. Tinkering instead of working! Better solution, Workstation!
Hi Gill, *why so many people want that many NVMe slots?*
I'm really surprised to see this many people raging for those cards to support 4 NVMe drives while I'm here lamenting the fact the *X670E* allocated most their lanes to NVMe drives =S
Hi Immortal Zodd,
You and me both! We have those Questions going all the way back to Intel X79 Chipsets from Consumer Desktop Motherboards and above. To reiterate, We figured that was an esoteric subject! Not at all! Amazing and Fascinating! Then the Questions follow about RAID then Motherboards. We try to direct each Video to not only Answer the Primary Question but to address other Questions according to priorities along the lines of the Topic. Blows my mind! There's definitely a need for what We're doing!
If only this had an SPDIF port. I can't seem to find an X670 with both display port in and SPDIF.
Hi Create Now Sleep Later,
Welcome! Great Observation! Glad You've pointed that out! No one has asked Us about Sony Phillips Digital Interface in a very long time! Conspicuously absent! Still Present on ASUS ProArt B550 Creator. Removed from ASUS ProArt X570 Creator WiFi. Curious!
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I’m a noob, thought I had grasp for a second there, but had to tap out half way through the video. Not even a deep dive ? Wow
Hello Collect_Call_,
Welcome! Have trouble wrapping Your mind around the fact there are not enough PCIe Lanes for everything to be used simultaneously? Bummer, right.
What is the best board, ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero and ProArt X670E-CREATOR to work on the 3d max vray program, the processor used is the ryzen 7950x?
Hi Ahmed Barakat,
Welcome! Great Question! For a Purpose Built Computer, We use the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
That's a starting point for the simplest of Rendering, Video Rendering. And still a good starting point for other Rendering such as You are doing. The Goal is the Dataset. In other words, how big is Your Dataset? Balance accordingly. You're getting ready to Build a Consumer Desktop. Do You need more than 16 CPU Cores? Do You need a HEDT or a Workstation which also allows for more PCIe Resources for more Slots and Storage. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy I'm working on 3d max vray. I want to make a fast render so that I can easily display. I bought a ryzen 7950 and I don't know the best motherboard. I don't care about the board's specifications, but I'm interested in raising the processor's performance. Thank you very much for your help.
Hi@@ahmedbarakat1661,
Do You have any idea of the size of Your Dataset You'll be Rendering? Every Motherboard has different Resource allocations. Best is based on which one does what You want. Short Answer, MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi
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@@BuildOrBuy Is there a choice other than the MSI MPG X670E Carbon?
Hi@@ahmedbarakat1661,
Rendering is all about 3 Items, CPU, RAM and GPU. If You prefer one brand or model of Motherboard over another, use that! Such as this ASUS ProArt! The X670E is a great Chipset! The best Consumer Desktop Chipset right now! Chipsets Rule over everything! Hope that helps! Now if You had said Workstation or ECC, changing one thing changes everything!
i almost bit the bullet on the "Asrock X670E Steel Legend" But now i think this board might be a better option for me?? Reason is those M.2 PCIe 5.0x4 directly connected to the cpu. i only need PCIe 4.0x4 but directly connected true the cpu sounded better. Question does that even matter if i'm using PCIe 4.0x4 nvme ssd's ??? choosing this mother board and putting priority on nvme 4.0 means not using the last pcie 4.0x2 slot so forgetting (pciex16_3).. and if i want to use a GPU later down the road it means pcie 5.0 x8 (pciex16_1) will have to do.
and i will only be able to add a 2 slotted nvme 4.0 expansion card in the lower slot (pciex16_2) ..
Did i understand it correctly ?
The "Asrock X670E Steel Legend" has a pcie 3.0 slot on the bottom directly connected to the cpu if i was to buy that mobo would be worst off ?? i would consider that a gpu slot as for me nvme storage is more important i would use the top and only pcie16x8 slot for expansion..
Thanks for all your help and nice content..
update: looking closer at the external display options on this board i had preferred a DisplayPort instead of hdmi.. But i could always manage if this board is way better then the Asrock one. Also i could instead use USB Type C for my display if i must i'd rather keep that for power delivery from my display down the road but i can manage.. if this board is better and i think it is.. Just finished watching "ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI" and that one is also intrestring.. looks like i'm going in to the rabbit hole of motherboards dear god. !
Hi TuxKey,
Welcome! Lots of great Questions! In to the weeds and down the rabbit hole! Any M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD on CPU Lanes will be a tad bit faster than on Chipset Lanes. Correct.
On this Motherboard, Steer clear of that last M.2 Connector. PCIeX16_1 will be X16 as long You're not using PCIeX16_2. That last Slot, PCIeX16_3 is X4, electrically. Just don't use M.2_3 to maintain X4 Chipset PCIe Lanes. See Motherboard PDF Manual, Page 12, Connectors with Shared Bandwidth.
To reiterate the top Slot will be X16, electrically as long as You do not use PCIeX16_2. Appreciate Your Comments! Hope that helps! Let Us know which Motherboard You choose! The MSI X670 We talked about is a clean, well laid out Motherboard. No Thunderbolt if that matters on MSI on X670E Chipset!
@@BuildOrBuy i'm new to this type of content but i really enjoy the depth and thoroughness of your vids. Thanks to your vids and inspiration i have moved from the "ASRock X670E Steel Legend" to the "ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI" i like the lane allocation. Two nvme slots directly to the cpu no matter what. The third nvm to the cpu shares lanes with the two pciex16 slots using that nvme means pcie16_1 runs in x8 and pcie16_2 runs x4 and that nvme runs in x4.. to me that's a better lane allocation. i also like the Strix better then the creator because of the post codes and start button. The post code being instead of the lights for diagnostic is way better. And it has the Displayport from gpu i like. so this board has now moved to the top of my list. will sleep on it one more day to see if i don't find anything better in the same vormfactor. as i just bought my case. and i'm set on the memory and nh-d15 cooler.... thanks again for your content and time. Truly appreciate it
Hi@@samdeur,
You now have an excellent grasp of PCIe Lane Allocations! Good rationale. Good choice. ASUS Outsells other Motherboard Manufacturers 2 to 1. If only ASUS had Motherboard Block Diagrams!
I'm literally in right before hitting the "buy" button on this board. But sharing bandwidth between the both PCIe 5.0 slots makes me worry. I need a GPU, a Decklink 4k Mini Monitor(Video Clean Feed card) and my 4090 in my system.... I hope I don't sacrifice too much with the GPU going only 8x
Hi ja-ki dnb,
Welcome! According to Reports, a GPU in X8 vs X16 will see a 1% to 2% Performance hit. We've read about 1 User in a 4K setup without specifics who experienced a 20% Performance hit. Results can vary. As a choice, doable. Forced upon Us, not a desired choice We would make. We need more PCIe Resources and We need Motherboard Block Diagrams! You'll be OK. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for your response. I'm currently in the market for M.2 --> PCIe riser cards. I don't need 4 M.2 slots, but I need 3 fully functioning PCIe slots (1x, 4x and 16x). So I guess this will be my best option instead of halving the bandwidth for my GPU.
Hi@@ja-kidnb6416,
Riser cards? Are You talking about Quad cards or Dual M.2 NVMe PCIe Adapters? For this Motherboard? Since this Chipset does fully Bios Bifurcate a PCIe Slot, on a Quad Adapter You would see 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives in 1st Slot. As for 3 functional Slots, prioritize Your Requirements. Not enough PCIe Lanes. On a X8 Slot using a Quad card You'll only see 2 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives if using the Secondary PCIe Slot. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy No I'm talking about a M.2 --> PCIe riser card. I need a 4x PCIe slot for my Decklink card, so I bought an M.2 --> PCIe riser card. There are definitely enough PCIe lanes on this motherboard but manufacturers decided to reduce PCIe slots and favor M.2 instead so I have to convert that back. I don't need 5 M.2 slots.
Hi@@ja-kidnb6416,
Understand. We're You able to Source that Part?
Curious if you'll be looking at this board MB MSI|MEG Z790 GODLIKE R?
Hi mark,
Welcome! Excellent Question! We had planned to until We realized, on this Motherboard, the limitation of Full Bios Bifurcation due to the Intel Chipset. You are not the 1st to ask! None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500! Anything over that is approaching the cost of a Workstation Motherboard such as the MSI Z790 Godlike R! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
@@BuildOrBuy yes it does thanks. I did see another review and it gave the same info on the bifurcation issue. Maybe now that the new Mac minis are out the PC board God's will give us what we need. Thanks buddy!!! Your videos have exposed the seedy underbelly of the misinformation in the sales pitches. I'll be patiently waiting for the resl deal.
Hi@@mark-ze4en,
Excellent! Too much hype! Not enough substance! We like the facts. Keep it simple and make it work! Appreciate Your Comments and Our Discussion! Currently Macs do not support BIOS Bifurcation. They can use a Self Bifurcated Add in card. Pricey proposition due to the PLX Chip that does the Lane Switching.
Can pcie 2.0 x4 slot run an m.2 nvme card? With 2 slots or even 1 ? Bifurcation understood
Hi Daniel Robert Herr,
Interesting Question!
1. Yes, works with PCIe 2.0 X4 Lanes. Example...
Sabrent NVMe M.2 SSD to PCIe X16/X8/X4 Card with Aluminum Heat Sink (EC-PCIE)
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2. Down the rabbit hole... Can You fully phrase or rephrase Your Question. Are You asking about 2 Lanes of PCIe 2.0 or 2 Slots of PCIe 2.0? There are PCIe 3.0 Drives that support 2 PCIe 3.0 Lanes. Can be a bit confusing.
Doubt You'll see a PCIe 2.0 Slot that Supports Bifurcation. This goes back to 2015 or thereabouts? NVMe predates Bifurcation. Bifurcation was, I think, around 2017. To enable Bifurcation where there is none, would require a Bios Mod. A dangerous proposition! Not advised. However, We have had several X79 Chipset Viewers who have gone that route, successfully.
Is this a real Question for a Solution to a Problem or is this a What if Question? Give Us a Motherboard and Chipset. Doubt You'll have on PCIe 2.0 a Bios that supports NVMe. Depends.
The farthest back We've had experience with that was the refresh of the Gigabyte GA-990FX-Gaming 2nd Version (Rev1.1) Motherboards for adding M.2 NVMe support of 2 PCIe Lanes for M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD. To reiterate, PCIe 2.0 X4 M.2 Connectors. Link below for Specs reference which would be PCIe 3.0 X2 Speed on PCIe 2.0 X4 Connectors or PCIe 2.0 X4 Lanes.
"GA-990FX-Gaming (rev. 1.1) Overview | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A." www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-990FX-Gaming-rev-11#ov
Ironic since 20Gbps is 2,500 MBs which is USB-C 20Gbps when that 2,500 MBs translated to 1,750 MBs back then. Curious. Internal then vs External now. Fascinating! Hope that's not confusing.
For example, as this relates to this Motherboard, in that 3rd X16 Slot, mechanically which is 2 Lanes, electrically, NO. Notice the Sabrent card Slot above requires 4 PCIe Lanes unless You have a PCIe 3.0 M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive that supports 2 Lanes. And the ones We're aware of are smaller in capacity of 500MBs. Just went looking and cannot Source one for an example. Bummer.
Hope that helps Answer Your Question!
i'm looking to get the asus tuf gaming x670e plus wifi....if i populate all the m.2 slots with the appropriate m.2 drives what connectors can't i use ?
Hi Marius Cozmaniuc,
Welcome! Great Question! Verifying Motherboard Resources...
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Slots:
X16 PCIe 5.0 = PCIEX16_1
X4 PCIe 4.0 = PCIEX16_2
X4 PCIe 4.0 = PCIEX4
ASUS Bifurcation Chart
www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507/
PCIEX16_1 = 4(X4+X4+X4+X4)
Supports Full Bios Bifurcation to add a Quad card if so desired.
Storage:
4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives
To CPU:
M.2_1 - PCIe 5.0
M.2_3- PCIe 4.0
Through Chipset, PCIe 4.0:
M.2_2 Shared Bandwidth...
SATA6G_1&2 Disabled.
M.2_4
See Motherboard PDF Manual, Page 10
Connectors with shared bandwidth:
Only lose SATA6G_1&2 since those will be disabled. Hope that helps! Every Motherboard is different!
@@BuildOrBuy that helps so much... thank you for responding so quickly , and for the in depth explanation
I plan to install AMD's upcoming 8700G APU in a ProArt X670E-Creator motherboard. That APU's integrated video should be sufficient for my use, so no need to install a GPU. However, I have a requirement for three display monitors. One monitor will be attached to the motherboard's HDMI output. Seems I should be able to use the two USB4 ports to each drive a monitor, and there would be no need to use the motherboard's DisplayPort input for this configuration. Now, how much fun can I have with the PCIe 5 x16 slot? Has it been confirmed that those CPU lanes can be bifurcated to x4x4x4x4 for the quad AIC? Could the quad AIC be employed in full glory while also enabling a PCIe Gen 5 SSD in the second m.2 slot?
Yes, yes indeed. Per ASUS, a quad AIC in PCIEX16_1 can be bifurcated to X4+X4+X4+X4 (while PCIEX116_2 remains unpopulated). Alternately, you can use PCIEX16_1 as X4+X4 while also using PCIEX16_2 as X4+X4.
So now the question is: Can you use PCIEX16_1 as X8 for a GPU while using PCIEX16_2 for X4+X4 for a dual AIC?
what are your thoughts for example putting in dual 4090 cards water cold which should fit in the first two slots then one system Drive M.2 on the limited slot three share bandwidth which would need to be as fast and then a duel I'm not to at full speed read it for contact drive for example video editing - this would make the tea video cards jump down to 8x each which online gaming should be fine for compute... 3-D rendering as an example and then the third slot could be for like a declink card or you can attach a 4K black magic box to one of the two thunderbolt ports.... do you happen to know that if either of them are 40 Gb?
Hi CJ Adams,
Welcome! On the PCIeX16_3 Slot, the M.2_3 has priority. Therefore PCIEX16_3 can only have 2 PCIe Lanes allocated. By Default to reiterate, M.2_3 has 4 Lanes allocated. Too bad it's not the other way around or ALL, either way. Odd Configuration. 2 PCIe Lanes on a Slot is not very useful. Those Blackmagic Decklinks cards, even though PCIe 2.0, they still require 4 PCIe Lanes!
Yes, those USB4 Ports out the back are 40Gbps Bidirectional Bandwidth according to Specs!
2 RTX 4090s running at X8 each will be fine! All about the Rendering! What's Your Rendering engine?
@@BuildOrBuy - so I guess what's gonna have to happen is that I'll run the two Nvidia cards problem with the MSi suprim 4090s - and then put the declink card in that third slot skip the M not to that shares with it ignore that read the two remaining M.twos for video drive and then run my master system Drive off of the regular Sata ports single or raded if i need a faster system drive
or would I be better off waiting for the next GEN thread-rippers? even if i get the lowest priced one compared to the 7000 series?
@@BuildOrBuy i'm sorry forgot to answer you redshift and octane primarily in c4d so leaning more redshift now thats its also in zbrush too
Hi@@cjadams7434,
To reiterate, the Blackmagic Decklink card requires 4 PCIe Lanes! That 3rd Slot only has 2 PCIe Lanes! Therefore the Decklink card will NOT work on this Motherboard! Let's look at this another way, if a Decklink card is required then You'll need a different Motherboard with a 4 Lane 3rd Slot! That's the major problem with Shared Resources on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard! Hope that helps!
Soo... Does this mobo support ECC? Or were they talking about the "ECC" that inherit in DDR5? I tried asking Asus support and they just never got back to me.
Hi Mark,
Welcome! Excellent Question! They probably don't know themselves unless they looked!
According to the current Bios Manual, YES! DDR5 ECC - Under DDR RAS. See:
DDR ECC Confuguration.
Easy setting to verify! Thanks for Asking! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you, that solves one mystery for me! I'm new to the HEDT space, and this "DDR5 always has ECC" thing is making it so confusing. Struggling to find dimms that are actually ECC. Asus doesn't even have a set on their QVL list from what I see.
Hi@@markawilliams4860,
Went back and reread Your Question. To clarify... ECC - Error Correction Code has 3 ECC schemes, On-Die, Sideband and In-Line. DDR5 on the X670E has a Memory Controller Chip that Supports DDR RAS, DDR ECC in the Bios. RAS (Reliability, Availability, and Serviceability). Sorry for the Confusion! Another way to look at this, DDR5 on the X670 Chipset has On Die ECC but lacks Full Sideband Correction for in-transit Data Integrity. Our Goal is to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! This is a Consumer Desktop Motherboard X670E with DDR5 RAS ECC support. Since DDR5 is new, We're not aware of any X670E Motherboard, at this time, that qualifies DDR5 ECC Sideband Bus support. In Sideband ECC, the ECC codes are stored on separate DRAMs. Requirements:
1. CPU Support - AMD 7950X
2. Motherboard Traces & Bios Support
3. QVL Listed DDR5 ECC Sideband Bus Support
We have part of the first 2 points covered, as described above! To reiterate, We dont know about the Motherboard Memory Traces for Sideband Bus support. And We need the 3rd part, Memory!
Crucial has DDR5 ECC but not Specified for use on this Motherboard. When queried for compatibility, Sorry this part will not work with Your ASUS ProArt X670E-Creator WiFi. Bummer! That link will then query to indicate what DDR5 RAM DOES work on that Motherboard.
Here's the link but to reiterate, NOT compatible!
Micron 32GB DDR5-4800 ECC UDIMM 2Rx8 CL40 | MTC20C2085S1EC48BA1R | Crucial.com
www.crucial.com/memory/server-ddr5/mtc20c2085s1ec48ba1r
The best way to find RAM especially on a new Platform, first always check the Motherboard QVL. Then second, from that List, determine a Brand and search their respective Memory Configurator for cross referencing Compatibility.
Both AMD and Intel have abandoned the HEDT for the time being as classified by their respective Chipsets, Intel X299, AMD X399 and TRX40. Hope that helps!
Tell Us more about Your Content Creation Rendering Requirements. Let's see if We can help sort that out!
Hi Mark,
To reiterate, After re-reading Your Question, have Updated that reply for Complete Answer. Lengthy! Sorry for Confusion! Goes to show, never take anything for granted on Our Part! Hope that helps!
I've got this moba. What I don't clearly understand even after watching the video, why isn't still possible to use gen3 or gen2 at it's maximum bandwidth. I mean If I put an RTX A4000 which as said is gen 4 16x, and than I attach a BDM 8K pro which is 8x but gen 3 why the motherboard simply won't use the full 16 lanes for the first slot and als the full 8 lanes for the second. We're talking about gen5 speed, but if I use something lower than this I don't understand why the motherboard isn't still working the way I should expect. Put it in the way it settled the motherboard only has 18 pcie lanes available... This hasn't much of a sense to me. Let's pretend I just want 1 nvme drive, and disable all the other 3, why this isn't possible to give to the motheboard the full bandwidth and lanes I need? I should want to use a 16x gpu 4.0, a capture card 8x gen 3, 1 nvme drive 4x gen 4 and one dante card x4 gen2 and I can't basically doing that, even after spent more than 1000$ on a 7900x + this motherboard, I quite don't understand even closer this aspect. I was using the previous model of this board with the 5900x and I was basically able to fill all the avaliable slot, without any problem, bot the pcie and the nvme slots. Indeed this motherboard seems to have a downgrading in terms of pcie lanes usage, even if the cpu is quite able to support many lanes more... Why the bios simply won't allow to disable something to get some priority on other aspect that might be more important ? That 3rd slot is kinda usless with those 2 lanes gen 4, I basically can't use a dante card 4x gen 2.... This is sounds no sense at all to me. I'm not on my first building computer for sure, but still won't understand these choices from asus. It's not always possible to go for threadripper or higher servers systems, due to price and other aspects, but having 24 lanes and can't use that whit older gen pcie products seems a big waste for me. great video by the way
Hello TechThisOut,
Welcome! Confusing Lane Speed with Lane count. For this Discussion, Lane Speed is irrelevant. Only Lane Count matters for backwards compatibility. Consumer Desktop Motherboards have a limited amount of PCIe Lanes. This became an issue with PCIe 3.0 going forward. For all the Add-in cards We have available, We need a HEDT or Workstation to make use of them due to PCIe Resources required! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy yes I've actually had answered myself looking further on the motherboard... Basically the third Pci-e slot simply has only 4 lanes available... Like it's 16x but doesn't have the pins on it.... That's pretty ridiculous.... I mean why the previous model had at least the 2nd and the 3d Pci-e slots with at least 8 lanes available while the new hadn't ? Isn't just more reasonable to put the right Pci-e length slot instead of freaking the customer after buy the product ? I mean even after seen the specs I clearly wouldn't have believed that this new motherboard could have been worst than it's predecessor... I should have believed the specs indeed 😂 what it seems so stupid to me it's the lack of availability in lanes , too many are occupied by the various USB, Thunderbolt lan and so on peripherals, while I would have loved to add a simple capture card and a Dante Pci-e without loosing 8x speed ony GPU... At the end of the day I think I will use the Dante card on the 3rd bus and buy an M2 to Pci-e to use a 4x lane Pci-e SDI capture card from blackmagic... But this is turning really ridiculous
It would be great if he made 15min or 20min versions. I like his content but don’t have 1hr to put on this.
Hi john valdez,
Welcome! These Motherboard Overviews of Slots and Storage PCIe Resource allocations are as Short as We could make them considering the Topic. And highly edited. A 1 hour Video requires 2 plus hours to Film. A lot of Research and Work goes into every Video. Appreciate Your Comments!
So out of all these videos on the X670E boards. You can only run 1 M.2 NVME drive with your X16 video card. Adding more than 1 M.2 drives will cut the Video X16 lanes in half to 8. WOW I have 2 M.2 2 TB Gen 4 drives and now can only use 1 of them.
Hi Flyer-rcplane,
Depends. Every one of these Motherboards has a different layout of PCIe Resources! One M.2 to CPU. One M.2 through Chipset. We need a Motherboard Block Diagram! Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Asus doesn't give a block diagram like Gigabyte. I will probably go with a Gigabyte Master. You can run 2 M.2 drives and still have 16 on the GPU and you can add 2 more M.2 to the chipset without effecting the GPU
Hi@@short5stick,
ASUS has had better Documentation in the past. Yes, We need those Motherboard Block Diagrams! Anyway, good choice! Yes, all 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives are Dedicated according to the Gigabyte Block Diagram!
8 bit for a gen 5 pcie graphics card is fine.
Hi Tom,
Welcome. Are you talking bit depth? That's not what we're referencing. We're talking about PCIe Lanes. Electrical connections.
ProArt X670E will NOT do 4 x dual rank modules (4 x 32GB) at DDR5-6400 (regardless of what is the EXPO rating of the modules). It'll be lucky to do 4xX single-rank at DDR5-6000. AMD and MB manufacturers are playing a lot of bait and switch with the PCI-e lane allocations and DDR5 speeds (while claiming always maximum lanes and maximum DDR5 speeds).
Do you think I will be able to use 4x32GB ddr5-5200 at 5200 I'm just worried they will be lower than that. For me I could survive easily with 64GB ram but I want 128GB so I can have some virtual machines. But not if it will slow everything down dramatically
Hi nanomyou5,
Welcome! Both are very good points! And We only focused on Lanes! Touching on RAM would be another Discussion! We expect We're going to be reading a lot more about DDR5 RAM as to Densities and Speed. Lots of Marketing hype obfuscation! Appreciate Your Comments! These Details matter!
Hi frozen,
Welcome! That's why We kept it short to mention sticking with the Vendor Memory QVL. For this Motherboard and the Spec You've Outlined, what RAM are You Planning on using?
For example, from the Memory QVL, based on Speed, notice the Kit Capacity. Only 2 - 32GB Kit sticks. No 4 - 32GB Kit sticks. Both ASUS and RAM Manufacturers State using a Tested Kit for Compatibility.
To reiterate, We combine Kits of DDR4 RAM and Combine Single Sticks of RAM. But this is DDR5. Suggest Contacting the RAM Manufacturer and express to them Your Requirements. And see if they're willing to accommodate You by doing that Testing for Verification of Compatibility of RAM Components!
Keep Us Posted on Your Interactions regarding that Topic! You might be helping someone else by doing so who shares Your concerns!
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, thanks! I was planning on using KF552C40BBK2-64 it's on the QVL in a 2x32 config but unfortunately there are no 4x32 dimms on the QVL at all for the proart
Hi@@frzen,
Excellent choice in RAM even though that looks like Hynix Memory chips.
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You have 2 Options. Try it and see what happens. Or... Contact Kingston 1st and see what they say to resolve.
Let's look at this another way.
"Memory for a ASUS - ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI - Kingston Technology" www.kingston.com/en/memory/search/model/106093/asus-proart-x670e-creator-wifi
According to Kingston Fury Memory,
DDR5 6000. Definitely contact Kingston and reconcile what ASUS QVL states vs what Kingston will guarantee. Keep Us in the Loop on Status! Hope that helps! Always Verify Info for Consistency. DDR5 is new territory for all of Us!
The point, all of those Kingston Kits are 2 Stick Kits from the Top down. Curious, the pdf Spec sheet does not list Memory chips being used.
what wifi chip is used on this board? is it an intel ax210?
Hi MrAaron158,
Welcome! Great Question! Unknown. Up for Conjecture until We either see a Driver or ASUS acknowledges. We're investigating!
@@BuildOrBuy ya i been checking the driver page on the asus site but it don't show what any of the drivers are currently. u can download the bios or manual though lol. wish board makers weren't vague about the wifi chips lol they tell u the wired cards. msi seems to be using mediatek chips for all there x670e boards witch i'm trying to avoid due to compatibility issues with my keyboard.
Hi@@mraaron1584,
More Vendor obfuscation! On X670E, Gigabyte is using Intel Wi-Fi 6E AX10 Chipset on both their Extreme and Master Motherboards. ASUS is not doing so good with Details of Documentation this time around. Like You said, if We had the Driver, We could probably figure it out. We just need to know these things to make better informed decisions! If You find out before We do, please share! We'll get that Info listed in the Description!
Hi MrAaron158,
Found a little more that may reveal more but nothing definitive yet...
1. AMD Wi-Fi 6E - AMD and MediaTek
www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2021-11-18-amd-and-mediatek-develop-amd-rz600-series-wi-fi-6e-modules-to-enhance
2. ASUS Wi-Fi 6E - An empty URL!?!
www.asus.com/content/WiFi6/#WIFI-6E
We'll keep digging! Preferably Wi-Fi should be Intel chipset, based on historical perspective. We do not know about the connectivity of this AMD Chip... Yet!
@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the update. hopefully it will be the intel one. the meidatek chip was ok wifi wise but i know the one that came in the laptop i bought Bluetooth was more the issue my Bluetooth keyboard kept dropping out instantly but it don't do that with intel cards. it would be kind of odd for them to switch since the x570 versions of these boards had intel as seeming do the other high end x670e asus boards like the extreme one does. the other thing i wonder is do asus solider the wifi chips directly onto the board or at they installed in a 30mm m.2 slot. like for ex ASRock X670E PRO RS board u can see the wifi card installed in to an m.2 slot. if its a slotted card i guess its not a big deal then u can always swap it to the intel card ur self for about 30-40 bucks like i did in the laptop i bought. its just hard to tell with asus since there board everything is covered up with heatsinks so i can't tell.
I would never buy a X670E, the PCI_e lanes are gimped far too much on this platform... I'll wait for the next gen...
Hi MUMOD BIOS,
Well stated, gimped. A Horizontal move. We need to go through these and see what develops from this exercise. Fascinating use of Resources. Right now, as an Overview, too many USB Ports requiring valuable PCIe Resources! We could easy gain 4 PCIe Lanes, probably Chipset. Doubtful on CPU PCIe Lanes. Eager to get into this next X670E Motherboard, Subscriber Requested!
Asus software team the best..? No, they suck: Me and tons of other XT8 router users had stability issues for over a year, latest firmware is unstable and makes nodes disconnect all the time. I just hope their software team for motherboards are better….
Hello Drone for fun,
Suggest not using a Consumer Router for Security reasons. Suggest Synology, Ubiquiti or Cisco. ASUS outsells all other Motherboard Manufacturers 2 to 1. All of the Motherboard Manufacturers are having Bios problems with DDR5. Some are dealing with those issues quicker than others like MSI. From Our experience, Gigabyte has the worst software for Motherboards. And that's Our preferred brand of Motherboard for AMD CPUs. Are You using this Motherboard? The MSI X670E Motherboard is a cleaner and simpler implementation. Hope that helps!
What hell are you talking about?
Hello Male Coder,
Welcome. Greek to you? The most important aspect of a Motherboard.
Hello .great content. Do you know the best x 570 board for resources. Lanes.?
Hi Daniel Robert Herr,
Welcome! All X570 Motherboards are facing the same problem. As a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, they all use a 16 Core CPU of the same variety vs a Workstation CPU. The CPU Lane allocations depend upon the CPU limits. To reiterate, to have more CPU Lanes requires a CPU with more CPU PCIe Lanes to work with. On the X570 is all about which Motherboard has the best Resources according to Your needs. For Rendering, We focus on Slots and Storage using 3 AIC Scenarios to demonstrate how that works. Based on all of that, for Your needs, what are Your criteria? Do You have a Brand preference? Everything now is about the X670E Chipset. Another way to look at this, if You need more PCIe Lanes, You're looking at a Workstation class Motherboard and CPU! X570 / 5950 has 24 Lanes. The X670E / 7950X has 28 Lanes. The WRX80 Threadripper Pro Workstation has 128 Lanes. Fascinating?
@@BuildOrBuy yes understand .x570 is what i need for my 5900x azus or msi best x570 m.,2 and usbc any idea? thanks for reply