2:09 Dutch to Milton: "I'm nothing but a seeker Mr. Milton." Blind man Cassidy to Arthur: "Run from the seeker sir. Run and keep running, or help others run."
@@INCONTINENS yes, such a mysterious character, when i played for the first time and heared some quotes from that man, in the end of the game i understood some of the quotes he told me, that was scary
@John Tyler They still chose him. He was the leader because he knew where he wanted to go, and other people liked the sound of it, so they followed him. You cannot be a leader if people don't want to follow.
@@blazegunshark What kind of leader you are, that's a whole different discussion, but in this case, Dutch prooved to be a reckless leader with a tiny bit of a God complex if nothing else. The most defense we can then bring against him is Micah's manipulation and betrayal. However, then we can only bring up story writing on Rockstar's part. Just my personal opinion, but given how much surprising depth every character has, Micah doesn't have much beyond being a bastard and it's kinda dissapointing.
Seeing Milton and Dutch interact is honestly great. Two great minds on completely opposite sides of the coin. Both ruthless and cunning with solid beliefs. I like to think that they even respect each other in a weird way.
HidanVenom the point of Johns death was redemption, just like Arthur’s death , Arthur gave his life so John could live. The reason why John didn’t just run away was because he knew the FBI would just go after him , so he sacrificed himself so Abigail and jack could live on
@@savagefire1401 it's not a reference to that weeb trash. A reference to the actual book, Rip Van Winkle, which follows the story of a Dutch-American sleeping 20 years and missing the American Revolution.
I thought the Rip Van Winkle thing was genius. From the player's perspective, John basically goes missing for a few years and appears again in RDR 1... Just like Rip Van Winkle falls asleep for 20 years and wakes up in the story.
It definitely mirrors what happens in RDR1. But also even without finishing the game we can assume Milton fails at capturing all the gang right? Agent Ross then spends years tracking down the gang, because its unfinished business for him. When he finally finds John marston he kidnaps his family.
Milton "We just want Dutch, and everyone else can go away and live in peace" Ross "We just want Dutch, Javier and Bill and then you're free to live in peace on your ranch" Sounds familiar
@@noamias4897 Yeah, I doubt Milton lets these guys get away. This was his 'easy' attempt to get Dutch without the gang putting up a fight. I think he would have gone after them afterwards.
@@Tom-bn6pr ross is just a straight scumbag that never intended to be fair Milton had values also if anything ross was probaly also driven by revenge for the gang killing his partner MIlton which led to him killing john in the end.
They probably have 3 wagons fitted with gatling guns and 50 men with their rifles loaded in the surrounding woods. Just in case Milton and Ross couldnt get out
Varelux I doubt it, he could’ve just came down on them with the full force of the Pinkertons since they knew where they were but he decided to act with diplomacy in order to give people like the Van Der Linde gang a sense of mercy even after what all of them have done previously
@@varelux3549 If they want too trick them they will already Ambush the Entire camp right now, b'cuzz if they do that they will have an Element of Suprise and Pinned down all of the Gangs Member b'cuzz the rivers and terrain advantages. But, Milton decides too do this with a Diplomacy, he even go inside the Camp knowing full he just enter a Lions Dens without bringin the Supports, but he still go and give a Chance to the rest of the Gang to walk away. I'm maybe hates the Pinkertons but i impress and salute of how Milton just throw himself to the Camps to finish this bloody conflicts like a Gentlement and Civilized Way.
"This place ain't no such thing as civilized. It's men so in love with greed, he had forgotten himself and found only appetites." That's a great quote. Damn.
I felt like this was still the sharp Dutch. He’s always had a bit of a Walter white complex, conning himself into thinking he was doing what he did for his “family” but he moved off of ego and self interest most of the time. Flawed and eventually consumed with paranoia, but in the end, It was his conscious that forced him to do what was right.
I liked agent milton as an antagonist, he is the oposite of dutch Dutch represents the untamed Wild west And milton represents the civilization that sometimos Can be ruthless evil Pos: sorry for my english
Meh.. Untamed wild west do not have to rob banks. It is more about John Marston ranch without bank loans. Dutch is just criminal which constantly makes execuses for himself. It is common deal even Pablo Escobar liked calls himself Robin Hood.
I think they kinda ruined it when they showed him being a wimp in front of Cornwall. I wished he would reminded him that all he can buy is influence but Milton has federal authority backing him.
That's the trick to good antagonists. For example in the dark night batman represents order and justice and follows rules. However, Joker is the exact opposite of that, he is unpredictable, follows no rules and represents chaos
Milton seems more reasonable than Ross ever was. He did his own dirty work, he didn't use a man's family as a mean to get him to do his bidding. I have little doubt he would have followed through on his word that if Dutch came with him and they scattered, he wouldn't have followed them unless they went out of their way to commit crimes. Ross on the other hand, we saw firsthand what he did, a dishonorable and cowardly man. Couldn't be bothered to do his own dirty work, even for a federal agent, he's a piece of shit that got the same death he gave John, to be gunned down like a dog.
I still don't hate Ross though because even if he is a punk, almost everything he said in RDR1 was right. And in the end he only killed John Marston and John deserved it, no matter what anyone says. John did try to change and be better but deep down inside John was a violent criminal his whole life and he died like a violent criminal when he refused to surrender at the ranch. It's pretty clear that John found ranch life boring, he struggled to understand social norms and he couldn't adapt to the changing world but he loved fighting, gunslinging, and violence. You could even argue that he made it easier for Ross to find him by going on his revenge mission for Micah, and during the events of RDR1 John threatens to kill people a dozen times over when they so much as get on his nerves. Ross was right, John killed himself by leading the life he did and he was dangerous. Furthermore, John wanted his son Jack to turn out different than he was so Jack gunning down Ross was as good as pissing on his dad's grave whether he knows it or not.
Christian Busch He also killed Hosea even though he posed no threat and was already captured. And he also kidnapped women (Abigail and Sadie) as hostage to use against the van der Linde gang. If anything Milton is even more brutal and rotten than Ross.
Something tells me that Milton's actions were just because he personally witnessed the murder of the girl at Blackwater. And he's just offended how everyone follows Dutch so easily. When he said that Dutch was nothing more than a killer. Dutch was left speechless.
I know this is a late comment but I noticed Dutch said nothing to that quote and even looked fearful because Milton can see him for what he truly was all along.
Yeah but Milton is blind to other criminals like Micah whose savagery is arguably worse than Dutch and Cornwall whose crimes have caused untold suffering to Native Americans and innocent workers. At the end of the day he’s just as deluded and calls being a rich persons puppet “justice”
TacitusKilgore I don’t think it was who he was truly all along, it’s not that hard to see for me at least. I think he just changed into a man he wished not to be.
This scene is a great example of every man being the hero in his own story. Milton actually makes a lot of sense here, and is giving Dutch the opportunity to save the rest of them by turning himself in. In Milton's eyes, Dutch only proved that he didn't actually care about the people in his gang by not telling them to stand down so that Milton and the Pinkertons could take him. Meanwhile, from Dutch's point of view, Milton's honor is irrelevant, because he serves masters who have no honor at all, and would seek to break up a family that has taken in people who were not welcome anywhere else. It's interesting that Rockstar creates antagonists like this in a game that also includes characters like Angelo Bronte, Colm O'Driscoll, Leviticus Cornwall, and Micah Bell, all of whom are just selfish and evil.
Well Milton is not Evil , he is a Man trying to eradicate crime so that people could live without fear . Dutch is like a father figure but there is not deny that he is a criminal and a killer same with Dutch Gang . CHEERS 💙
Dutch never cared about the gang he never did he always was a narcissist and manipulator he used the gang to live in his fantasy as a king with his kinghts against the government. Even in rdr1, he said he can't stop fighting its in his nature. All that talk is just him manipulating the gang to the point that they follow him with blind loyalty.
@@kanjicynical Who both refused to go with him and live normal lives. They mingle with dangerous criminals who steal, murder, and kidnap people daily. He did everything to make them stand down peacefully and gave them all the chances in the world. They turned down all of them, and now they suffer the consequences.
you know what's even more crazy! when ross retires where does he retire to not some house in the city but a house out west in the middle of nowhere away from civilazation
@@nataliaromero6433 Yeah and his movement is what sells it to me xD They did an amazing job animating the game, but the way the characters move is really outstanding.
PichDextro Benjamin Brian ( or bryon can’t remember ) Davis made a point to this and said that it’s not voice acting.. it’s performance art. He was in a whole outfit, and his movements are his own. He was Dutch, he was in a room with all of those people, and he said you could see yourself on a big screen and move around and such. If he did the middle finger the animation would do it. It’s amazing regardless, but it’s not just animators, it’s the actors who truly sold it.
Same the first time I saw agent Ross I was like "wait is that agent Ross, Oh damn that Is agent Ross I didn't know agent Ross would show up in this game."
@@AliWatches236 That's the name of a book, Rip Van Winkle, that follows a story of an outlaw that sleeps for 20 years and misses the American Revolution.
You know, it's worth noting that Milton and the Pinkertons fought and died to put and end to a gang of murderers and thieves. Really shows you how much you can sympathize with protagonists.
3:15 no one really notices here but John is looking at Arthur to see how he reacts to Milton as if John needed approval and/or jus plainly looks up to him most of the game
This is literally the most Iconic scene of the game cause for all the gang’s differences they all set em aside and are prepared to draw on and die to protect the man they look up to easily my favorite scene so far (haven’t finished yet)
Interesting to read how some people interpret Milton's leniency as somewhat honorable. To me, I viewed it as a man that took great pride in his work, and he knew that the Wild West era was coming to an end. Therefore, what's the rush? He's got all the time in the world, and he took great satisfaction in hunting down the Van Der Linde gang. I think him walking into the gang hideout like that was in a way to imitate and mock the gang. He knew they wouldn't turn on Dutch that easily, he just wanted to send a message that one way or another, their time was up. People with leverage have all the time in the world. Anyways, just my opinion, but it's cool that RDR2's narrative is so deep and rich that the gamer can give his own interpretation on it.
This is a very interesting interpretation of Milton . I'm still at the end of Chapter 3, but I would considerer this a bit truer than him just being fair to the gang.
"I don't wanna kill all these folk, Dutch... Just you." Really goes to show how ruthless Milton is in wanting to capture Dutch, but in reality he was probably wanting to capture and hang all members of the whole gang, almost how Edgar Ross uses John in the first game to kill Bill, Javier and Dutch just to kill him afterwards, with using the scumbag move of capturing John's family and using that as a way for John to kill the 3 said men, but I could be wrong on Milton's motives
Your Boi Jerry exactly. Its crazy how so many people in this thread love Milton lol. He would have hanged every member of dutches gang lol. When you’re doing missions as a bounty hunter, I think you hunt an accountant and his sentence is to be hanged. If stealing a little money from a bank gets you hanged, EVERY member in the gang would be in trouble.
Two small details I really like: 1. Kieren pulls a gun too. Shows how firmly he is with the gang now, even if they didn't all fully accept him yet. 2. At the start, when Arthur says the killed all those people "for nothing." The way Dutch says "No, no not for nothing" he's already having doubts. He sounds less like he is confidently reassuring Arthur what they did has a point as much as he is convincing himself.
Bill the Butcher. He also looks and sounds like Curly Bill Brocious from Tombstone. And he shares his name with one of the leaders of the gang from The Wild Bunch. Lotta influences for Dutch.
I believe that Milton was sincere in letting them all go, and when they all threw that offer in his face and later got killed, that inspired Ross to take no chances with the Marston family later on.
After the fishing quest with kieran I got attacked by the grays and the next thing I notice is kieran bolting in. He killed 5 of them then said all clear. I liked him even more.
Remember that Milton was trying his best within the confines of the law, he literally back talked that to the man who pays his wage. Cornwall. Was against underhanded tactics such as kidnapping. Which in the end he did once for Abigail as the last ditch effort. He even mentions it that he would not be acting this way if not pushed. "You mean O'Shay? We sweated her some times but *we had* to let her go." Did they now? Why? *They had* to let her go? Really strange when put out of context. I find Milton's offers sincere although hard to believe. Ross in the other hand was ideally using underhanded tactics. Kidnapping, blackmailing and in the end not keeping his word.
+Ray Ray when you rescue abigal "molly? she didn't talk much, had to let her go, micha on the other hand, picked him up when you boys got back from the Caribbean" search for the cutscene online :)
I love how almost everyone in the gang here pulls out a gun when Dutch said he would go with milton. Almost as if they knew that was code for if he goes we go too
Has anyone noticed how Kieran looks at Milton and Ross? the guy quickly draws out his gun and damn he looks Pissed, if anyone still doubts he's not an O'driscoll just look at this scene...
What I never understood is why Agent Milton and Ross were so relentless on hunting the Van Der Linde gang. The ODriscolls were literally hundreds of bandits and were a far larger threat than a band of women and men living in a camp.
“You ain’t of anything much more than a Killer, Mr. Van der Linde” This, plus Dutch’s reaction and Milton calling him a false messiah leads me to believe that it’s here when Dutch starts losing it. He’s one part a man who cares most for people who have been wronged in life by society, and another part a sociopath who’s hatred for society leads him to crave only wanton murder and destruction. Bare in mind this is shortly after he and the gangs strongest, though mostly justified, killed an entire family. This is only perpetuated further by what bronte said “you do nothing, you stand for nothing, me? I run a city, and when the law catches up, you will die like nothing”. For all intended purposes, it’s safe to say Dutch did have a plan, and it was here he started to forget what that plan was, and all the doubt he put on others was more than anything else on himself.
John 3:16 King James Version 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever Isaiah 40:8 Jesus saith unto him I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by me John 14:6 Psalm 46:10 Be still and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the heathen. I will be exalted in the earth. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth upon him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Matthew 16:24 King James Version 24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
The sad part is I think that even if most of the gang could see into the future at how everything would end, they would still have defended Dutch against Milton
Notice how Kieran ( a Former O’Driscolls member ) picked his Gun to kill Ross and Milton in case things get ugly, He wanted to be part of their family, But they don’t Trust him cause what he used to be, He even said when he fished with Arthur “ Im a Prisoner, I can’t even Leave the camp cause The O’Dricolls Would be looking for me, And you guys don’t trust me “ .. It makes me Sad that Kieran was Bullied and He Saved Arthur Life’s But Arthur couldn’t Save Kieran’s Life when he needed to be Saved Edit: Damn Thank you for the Likes Guys, Never got that Many
Phantom Foxy the fact that he’s willing to gun down the pinkertons is enough loyalty and honor in my book Wish R* gave him a happier story line than what he got I would’ve imagined he opened up his own stable/ranch
Milton says I'm giving a chance to live normal life. It's kind of funny because half of the crew wanted normal lifes. Hosea, Lenny, Arthur, John, Abigail, Tilly, Uncle, Charles, etc
kriss007G If History has taught me anything it’s this: Never trust the US government when they offer you a deal. They rarely if ever honor it. Especially during this time period the US government was brutal.
@@TheFunnyDictator he calls them all lost souls that Dutch has lead horribly astray. As if he just wants to take Dutch away and try to let the others like Arthur try to repent.
All those times you’re coming back to camp “who’s that???” “Identify yourself”, the one time someone slacks off is when the suits turn up, good job LENNAH
3:30, micah pulled out his guns to kill ross and milton if they shoot dutch, gotta say it shows micah at one point had real loyalty to dutch before the pinkertons picked him up after guarma, honestly i felt micah could've had some more redeeming qualities about him but still be a scumbag later on the story, but still he's a great antagonist but still felt he wasn't all bad until he ratted out everyone
I dunno if that was really out of loyalty. imho it feels more like he was doing it to keep up appearance. I mean...if he had just stood there and not attempted to defend Dutch, it would've raised several red flags for the gang, and his cover may likely would've been blown!
Kind of a small detail but i love how even Kieran has a gun out and doesn’t hesitate to pull it out when everyone else does. Like i would have expected him to back up or kinda look around before doing anything but it’s a nice detail
2:09 Dutch to Milton: "I'm nothing but a seeker Mr. Milton."
Blind man Cassidy to Arthur: "Run from the seeker sir. Run and keep running, or help others run."
Wow. Great find
Wow, that’s nice
Arthur could of survived if he ran away. But he was loyal. That was the tradegy of the story. Loyality was the meaning behind this game
Blind man Cassidy fucking scares me. I know all his references but the fact that he's there...knowing everything freaks me out
@@INCONTINENS yes, such a mysterious character, when i played for the first time and heared some quotes from that man, in the end of the game i understood some of the quotes he told me, that was scary
*Scene filled with tension and serious dialogue*
John Marston: “Rip Van Winkle :3”
Hes such a goofball
John was always a sarcastic bastard with a dry sense of humor
I think he was jim milton
Milton: Huh...
Didn't know that Rip van Winkle is the protagonist of a short story en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip_Van_Winkle
Who made you the messiah to these lost souls that you’ve led so horribly astray?
That hits hard
superkriIIin those words came to haunt Arthur when the tb started to take over his body
superkriIIin especially when thinking about what happened with javier and bill in the end
That's easy. They chose him.
@John Tyler They still chose him. He was the leader because he knew where he wanted to go, and other people liked the sound of it, so they followed him. You cannot be a leader if people don't want to follow.
@@blazegunshark What kind of leader you are, that's a whole different discussion, but in this case, Dutch prooved to be a reckless leader with a tiny bit of a God complex if nothing else. The most defense we can then bring against him is Micah's manipulation and betrayal. However, then we can only bring up story writing on Rockstar's part. Just my personal opinion, but given how much surprising depth every character has, Micah doesn't have much beyond being a bastard and it's kinda dissapointing.
Seeing Milton and Dutch interact is honestly great. Two great minds on completely opposite sides of the coin. Both ruthless and cunning with solid beliefs. I like to think that they even respect each other in a weird way.
Respect??? Dutch called him "Agent Moron"
SomeGuy1997 “respect in a weird way”
Lol they don't respect each other in ANY way
@@Carl_McMelvin dutch might be crazy but dude is incredibly smart and so is Milton
@@Carl_McMelvin Nope
Milton: ill be back with 50 Men!
*Arthur usee dead eye*
Milton: 50 dead... Men
🤣🤣🤣
50 men vs 1 man didnt work out well in the first game
ClaytonJ Listen, just as long as it’s not a cutscene, he’ll be fine.
Ramsay Bolton: 20 Good Men.
HidanVenom the point of Johns death was redemption, just like Arthur’s death , Arthur gave his life so John could live. The reason why John didn’t just run away was because he knew the FBI would just go after him , so he sacrificed himself so Abigail and jack could live on
"*Rip Van Winkle*"
Sean Connolly Hellsing Reference
@@savagefire1401 it's not a reference to that weeb trash. A reference to the actual book, Rip Van Winkle, which follows the story of a Dutch-American sleeping 20 years and missing the American Revolution.
I thought the Rip Van Winkle thing was genius. From the player's perspective, John basically goes missing for a few years and appears again in RDR 1... Just like Rip Van Winkle falls asleep for 20 years and wakes up in the story.
@Jonathan Montalvo that's real interesting
uncle 💀💀💀💀💀
I can't even hate milton he gave them a chance to leave the life behind unlike ross who just uses john then turns on him
alpha bryan exactly. But for all we know he could’ve just been trying to trick them like Edgar does with John
It definitely mirrors what happens in RDR1. But also even without finishing the game we can assume Milton fails at capturing all the gang right? Agent Ross then spends years tracking down the gang, because its unfinished business for him. When he finally finds John marston he kidnaps his family.
Milton "We just want Dutch, and everyone else can go away and live in peace"
Ross "We just want Dutch, Javier and Bill and then you're free to live in peace on your ranch"
Sounds familiar
@@noamias4897
Yeah, I doubt Milton lets these guys get away. This was his 'easy' attempt to get Dutch without the gang putting up a fight. I think he would have gone after them afterwards.
@@Tom-bn6pr ross is just a straight scumbag that never intended to be fair Milton had values also if anything ross was probaly also driven by revenge for the gang killing his partner MIlton which led to him killing john in the end.
The balls on these dudes just walking in a gang camp 😂
Fr lmao rofl tbh smh #relatable
@@randomdewd930 what??
BobbyZobby for real laugh my ass of to be honest shaking my head
They probably have 3 wagons fitted with gatling guns and 50 men with their rifles loaded in the surrounding woods. Just in case Milton and Ross couldnt get out
This was the dude that scared the bad guys he was probably one of the best character in all the game
I can respect Milton, he really didn’t want to kill them all.
I think he was tricking them, i mean, ross used john to kill bill, javier and dutch and promised him to be free and we all know what happened.
@@varelux3549 well Milton is not Ross. He gave plenty of chances for everyone to walk away just so long as he had dutch
Varelux I doubt it, he could’ve just came down on them with the full force of the Pinkertons since they knew where they were but he decided to act with diplomacy in order to give people like the Van Der Linde gang a sense of mercy even after what all of them have done previously
@@varelux3549 If they want too trick them they will already Ambush the Entire camp right now, b'cuzz if they do that they will have an Element of Suprise and Pinned down all of the Gangs Member b'cuzz the rivers and terrain advantages. But, Milton decides too do this with a Diplomacy, he even go inside the Camp knowing full he just enter a Lions Dens without bringin the Supports, but he still go and give a Chance to the rest of the Gang to walk away. I'm maybe hates the Pinkertons but i impress and salute of how Milton just throw himself to the Camps to finish this bloody conflicts like a Gentlement and Civilized Way.
He just wanted Dutch. He knew that Dutch had brainwashed them all so they really weren’t bad people
"This place ain't no such thing as civilized. It's men so in love with greed, he had forgotten himself and found only appetites."
That's a great quote. Damn.
@nanda erdhani Doesn't make it any less true.
@nanda erdhani Each side crossed over their respective moral boundaries to order to further their so called "cause" to be honest.
@@parker20125 true
I felt like this was still the sharp Dutch. He’s always had a bit of a Walter white complex, conning himself into thinking he was doing what he did for his “family” but he moved off of ego and self interest most of the time. Flawed and eventually consumed with paranoia, but in the end, It was his conscious that forced him to do what was right.
Sounds like communism but ok
I liked agent milton as an antagonist, he is the oposite of dutch
Dutch represents the untamed Wild west
And milton represents the civilization that sometimos Can be ruthless evil
Pos: sorry for my english
A-H1 n2 both can be ruthlessly evil tbh
Meh.. Untamed wild west do not have to rob banks. It is more about John Marston ranch without bank loans.
Dutch is just criminal which constantly makes execuses for himself. It is common deal even Pablo Escobar liked calls himself Robin Hood.
Ross is just a piece of shit
I think they kinda ruined it when they showed him being a wimp in front of Cornwall. I wished he would reminded him that all he can buy is influence but Milton has federal authority backing him.
That's the trick to good antagonists. For example in the dark night batman represents order and justice and follows rules. However, Joker is the exact opposite of that, he is unpredictable, follows no rules and represents chaos
Milton seems more reasonable than Ross ever was. He did his own dirty work, he didn't use a man's family as a mean to get him to do his bidding. I have little doubt he would have followed through on his word that if Dutch came with him and they scattered, he wouldn't have followed them unless they went out of their way to commit crimes. Ross on the other hand, we saw firsthand what he did, a dishonorable and cowardly man. Couldn't be bothered to do his own dirty work, even for a federal agent, he's a piece of shit that got the same death he gave John, to be gunned down like a dog.
Takedrugskillabear well said
Didnt he kidnap Abigail?
Takedrugskillabear what about Hosea
I still don't hate Ross though because even if he is a punk, almost everything he said in RDR1 was right. And in the end he only killed John Marston and John deserved it, no matter what anyone says. John did try to change and be better but deep down inside John was a violent criminal his whole life and he died like a violent criminal when he refused to surrender at the ranch. It's pretty clear that John found ranch life boring, he struggled to understand social norms and he couldn't adapt to the changing world but he loved fighting, gunslinging, and violence. You could even argue that he made it easier for Ross to find him by going on his revenge mission for Micah, and during the events of RDR1 John threatens to kill people a dozen times over when they so much as get on his nerves. Ross was right, John killed himself by leading the life he did and he was dangerous. Furthermore, John wanted his son Jack to turn out different than he was so Jack gunning down Ross was as good as pissing on his dad's grave whether he knows it or not.
Cybrisk woah...
Milton has more honor than Ross, he at least gave them a choice, Ross used John, then killed him.
Christian Busch He also killed Hosea even though he posed no threat and was already captured. And he also kidnapped women (Abigail and Sadie) as hostage to use against the van der Linde gang. If anything Milton is even more brutal and rotten than Ross.
@@Phantom5611 Dude that was after Dutch killed Cornwall and Bronte, I aint saying that is right, what would you have done?
But at the same time milton has been giving them chances but they never took it so he did what he had to do
In other words: Ross was smarter
@@Junior-lc2im That's why he ended up the way he did, haha!
Rockstar Games: The queen of brilliant quotes and amazing dialogue.
And the kings at killing lovable people like kieran arthur hosea lenny sean and john
Safoh2 Kojan uncle-abigail-susan
Mrs. Grimshaw, Mary-Beth, Hamish.
Dr. Spog Zallagi mary beth didn’t die , and ms grimshaw is susan
Arthur Morgan Strauss
Something tells me that Milton's actions were just because he personally witnessed the murder of the girl at Blackwater. And he's just offended how everyone follows Dutch so easily.
When he said that Dutch was nothing more than a killer. Dutch was left speechless.
I know this is a late comment but I noticed Dutch said nothing to that quote and even looked fearful because Milton can see him for what he truly was all along.
I noticed too
Yeah but Milton is blind to other criminals like Micah whose savagery is arguably worse than Dutch and Cornwall whose crimes have caused untold suffering to Native Americans and innocent workers. At the end of the day he’s just as deluded and calls being a rich persons puppet “justice”
This games has so many little details, it will takes years to discover it all of them
TacitusKilgore I don’t think it was who he was truly all along, it’s not that hard to see for me at least. I think he just changed into a man he wished not to be.
Edgar Ross and John Marston’s first meeting.
SaberRexZealot first meeting ross was surrounded by marston friends.
Last meeting john was surrounded by ross friends.....easter egg
Who is John Marston? You mean Rip Van Winkle?
Arthur Morgan who? I only know jim Milton
@@soracksssI also know Scarface and Wolfman
@@soracksss who is arthur morgan? I only know *black lungs*
This scene is a great example of every man being the hero in his own story. Milton actually makes a lot of sense here, and is giving Dutch the opportunity to save the rest of them by turning himself in. In Milton's eyes, Dutch only proved that he didn't actually care about the people in his gang by not telling them to stand down so that Milton and the Pinkertons could take him.
Meanwhile, from Dutch's point of view, Milton's honor is irrelevant, because he serves masters who have no honor at all, and would seek to break up a family that has taken in people who were not welcome anywhere else.
It's interesting that Rockstar creates antagonists like this in a game that also includes characters like Angelo Bronte, Colm O'Driscoll, Leviticus Cornwall, and Micah Bell, all of whom are just selfish and evil.
Well Milton is not Evil , he is a Man trying to eradicate crime so that people could live without fear . Dutch is like a father figure but there is not deny that he is a criminal and a killer same with Dutch Gang .
CHEERS 💙
@@joseamiranda4260How so? Wdym?
Dutch never cared about the gang he never did he always was a narcissist and manipulator he used the gang to live in his fantasy as a king with his kinghts against the government. Even in rdr1, he said he can't stop fighting its in his nature. All that talk is just him manipulating the gang to the point that they follow him with blind loyalty.
@@joseamiranda4260he let a machine gun fire on women and a child
@@kanjicynical Who both refused to go with him and live normal lives. They mingle with dangerous criminals who steal, murder, and kidnap people daily. He did everything to make them stand down peacefully and gave them all the chances in the world. They turned down all of them, and now they suffer the consequences.
i love how kieran drew his revolver alongside the others
That's show he is loyal to the gang
That scene was hard af
He is most loyal then Micah
3:00 Honestly, Milton took a deep gulp.
Lmao just realized it now 😂
Wdym?
3:30 "I'll be with fifty men."
Arthur: One gang member and I can kill 100 of ya'll.
*drinks snake oil*
Me: remembers that one Micah mission in strawberry
Well milton didn't lie about that, remember the saint denis robbery?
Factsssss 😂😂😂
you know what's even more crazy! when ross retires where does he retire to not some house in the city but a house out west in the middle of nowhere away from civilazation
alpha bryan lol I never thought about that, a big hypocritical but who knows maybe he was just tired of it
@@carolinabruiser2522 *1914 Jesus, ya'll are bad with dates.
@@AzelfandQuilava short term memory my bad im still a human
AzelfandQuilava *2019
J Howard Your picture is the patch of the cavalry scouts. It’s ironic because they are the main enemies by the end of the game.
Seriously why is no one talking about "Agent Moron"?
Am I childish? I laughed a solid full minute after hearing that the first time.
No because we're not 10.
@@hoiman2356 Don't lie to yourself.
It was hilarious 😂 because he said it just so causally.
@@nataliaromero6433 Yeah and his movement is what sells it to me xD They did an amazing job animating the game, but the way the characters move is really outstanding.
PichDextro Benjamin Brian ( or bryon can’t remember ) Davis made a point to this and said that it’s not voice acting.. it’s performance art. He was in a whole outfit, and his movements are his own. He was Dutch, he was in a room with all of those people, and he said you could see yourself on a big screen and move around and such. If he did the middle finger the animation would do it. It’s amazing regardless, but it’s not just animators, it’s the actors who truly sold it.
“Agent Moron” 😂😭
2:44 he said the part from the trailer
Ghost Assassin and 1:44
I think I caught every one of them in the game lol watched every trailer like 15 times
I was fan boying so hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The first time I saw Agent Ross I'm like "Oh my God it's agent Ross!"
Same the first time I saw agent Ross I was like "wait is that agent Ross, Oh damn that Is agent Ross I didn't know agent Ross would show up in this game."
This is one of those moments in the game where I sat there and thought "Yep. Dutch is going to get all of them killed."
"Who made you the messiah to all these lost souls you've led so horribly astray". Homeboy was sitting on that one for months, just waiting to say it.
The fact that everyone kept a straight face when John said his name was Rip Van Winkle is amazing
Proud to see Kieran standing with the gang
If he were still at Horeshoe he probably would have bolted
Yeh even he had his gun drawn
The fact that they even allow him to carry a gun around the gang shows how much they've trusted him since then.
@@Bestow3000He shoots just one member, and the sharpshooter fellow gang-members all corner and gun him to bits from multiple directions.
“And who are you?”
John “Rip van winkle”
Me: 😂😂😂😂😂
Why do I find it so funny
Miltons reaction is what did it for me, just the obvious confusion.
Spirit Wraith because he is such a badass
The fact that he came up with a random name so quickly
@@AliWatches236 That's the name of a book, Rip Van Winkle, that follows a story of an outlaw that sleeps for 20 years and misses the American Revolution.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dutch feels more like a crazy cult leader than an outlaw thief half the time
Tbh he always had a cult of personality going aroynd
We all hated Milton but you got to give him credits. He gave the gang so many chances to live.
Say what you will about them Pinkertons, but those are fine suits!
I hate ross but I dont hate milton.
nobody survives even one bit how far into the story are you?
@@noamias4897 for now I am in blackwater.
fuck the federal agents
both corrupted.
He kills hosea.
I wonder if Ross went after the gang as revenge for Milton's death and not just because they were dangerous
Edwin diaz I thought about that too
@Kilo Tray Ballas There is a hufe difference. You dont see the Pinkerton's raiding people's homesteads stealing and scaming people. They were the law
@Kilo Tray Ballas They tried being civil with that gang and it lead nowhere but Dutch and his gang killing more innocent people.
@@Argos-xb8ek Who did they kill that was truly innocent?
@@Rockcroc2000Rm1wE3erWmNfkL Those people in Blackwater the people in Strawberry some of the people in Valentine.
You know, it's worth noting that Milton and the Pinkertons fought and died to put and end to a gang of murderers and thieves. Really shows you how much you can sympathize with protagonists.
I think red dead redemption 3 will be about a Pinkerton. Would be a cool twist
@@defaultname7685 Good idea
3:15 no one really notices here but John is looking at Arthur to see how he reacts to Milton as if John needed approval and/or jus plainly looks up to him most of the game
Where’s John? I only see rip van winkle
He’s looking at Pierson not Arthur in that clip
This is literally the most Iconic scene of the game cause for all the gang’s differences they all set em aside and are prepared to draw on and die to protect the man they look up to easily my favorite scene so far (haven’t finished yet)
I just noticed that Agent milton was where john took the name from 😂DUHH
@@legaltowter9811 at the end of the game john changes his name to "Jim Milton"
Too bad they couldn’t use Tacitus Kilgore anymore....
I AM YA FADDAA it’s one last spit on him by using his name for criminal activity
Interesting to read how some people interpret Milton's leniency as somewhat honorable. To me, I viewed it as a man that took great pride in his work, and he knew that the Wild West era was coming to an end. Therefore, what's the rush? He's got all the time in the world, and he took great satisfaction in hunting down the Van Der Linde gang. I think him walking into the gang hideout like that was in a way to imitate and mock the gang. He knew they wouldn't turn on Dutch that easily, he just wanted to send a message that one way or another, their time was up. People with leverage have all the time in the world. Anyways, just my opinion, but it's cool that RDR2's narrative is so deep and rich that the gamer can give his own interpretation on it.
@Frank Castle Nah, they kill him and the govt is onto them fast
@Frank Castle Yeah but the Pinkertons work with the government.
@@santiagobarreto9357 Search Pinkerton Agency in Google they were actually Real and exist tho
it had to be done quick because cornwall was paying them big money to do so
This is a very interesting interpretation of Milton . I'm still at the end of Chapter 3, but I would considerer this a bit truer than him just being fair to the gang.
1:46 Dutch describing what he becomes
3:39 after milton said that I was like wow
at one forty four, Dutch describes himself perfectly.
the irony
1:44
He is describing the government, the pinkertons, people like Cornwall. Not himself. Because he believes that people like them ruined America.
@@urmombiggay6488 You never saw RDR1 arent'ya?
@@nore5992 Yes actually I did
POV: you have magic the gathering cards a month before they're supposed to release
One of my favorite scenes in the entire game. Not a shot fired or punch thrown, but highly memorable.
0:56 bruh lenny was strapped and ready to drop dem
"I don't wanna kill all these folk, Dutch... Just you."
Really goes to show how ruthless Milton is in wanting to capture Dutch, but in reality he was probably wanting to capture and hang all members of the whole gang, almost how Edgar Ross uses John in the first game to kill Bill, Javier and Dutch just to kill him afterwards, with using the scumbag move of capturing John's family and using that as a way for John to kill the 3 said men, but I could be wrong on Milton's motives
Milton seemed like a cool guy actualy. He warned them multiple times so they had it coming.
I mean he let Arthur walk away when they were at the fishing bank, in reality he could’ve just killed him there
@@sl3dfast The only reason he didn't capture or kill Arthur in that scene was because Jack was with him at the time.
Your Boi Jerry exactly. Its crazy how so many people in this thread love Milton lol. He would have hanged every member of dutches gang lol. When you’re doing missions as a bounty hunter, I think you hunt an accountant and his sentence is to be hanged. If stealing a little money from a bank gets you hanged, EVERY member in the gang would be in trouble.
People have forgotten how the real life Pinkertons were way more brutal than Milton is in this game
2:04 "Who made you the Messiah to these lost souls you've led so horribly astray?"
Ngl, that gave me chills
1:48 I think Dutch just perfectly described "Disney"
I think he meant the United States
Not he described Take 2 Interactive
Even Kieran was backing up dutch, charisma max
Kieran had his revolver out. Man was willing to fight for the dude who had him strung up to a tree and starved
"i don't wanna kill all these folk dutch,just you"
damn that's cold,specially considering he was surrounded by dutch's men in the middle of nowhere
Dutch should've called him gay and he would've backed off
Nah, Dutch would've been sued for sexual harassment, no way outta that.
@@icecream4you161 dirch would get cancelled for being homophobic 😂
Just call Lamar Davis tho. Milton got a yee yee ass haircut
@@rahulmurali8302 hahahahah
This scene is just bar after bar. Rockstar writers are on another level
Two small details I really like:
1. Kieren pulls a gun too. Shows how firmly he is with the gang now, even if they didn't all fully accept him yet.
2. At the start, when Arthur says the killed all those people "for nothing." The way Dutch says "No, no not for nothing" he's already having doubts. He sounds less like he is confidently reassuring Arthur what they did has a point as much as he is convincing himself.
Is it just me or they made Dutch look like the Main Villain from Gangs of New York
The Sky Bandit TheBandit025 Pretty sure that was the main inspiration
I didn't know people would get the movie I referring to
Dutch does kinda look like Daniel day Lewis from that movie.
Bill "the butcher”*
Bill the Butcher. He also looks and sounds like Curly Bill Brocious from Tombstone. And he shares his name with one of the leaders of the gang from The Wild Bunch. Lotta influences for Dutch.
I love Hosea's smile in the background while he has a gun out. XD
I believe that Milton was sincere in letting them all go, and when they all threw that offer in his face and later got killed, that inspired Ross to take no chances with the Marston family later on.
Wdym? Source? How can you say that, bruv?
@@TheFunnyDictatoreducated guess
@@acat6145 Yeah, right!
@@acat6145 Is that your cat? What breed is it?
Dang, Kieran took his gun out often.
After the fishing quest with kieran I got attacked by the grays and the next thing I notice is kieran bolting in. He killed 5 of them then said all clear. I liked him even more.
You know whats funny, Jack and Ross first meet at a river bank, and the last time they meet is at a river bank
Remember that Milton was trying his best within the confines of the law, he literally back talked that to the man who pays his wage. Cornwall.
Was against underhanded tactics such as kidnapping. Which in the end he did once for Abigail as the last ditch effort. He even mentions it that he would not be acting this way if not pushed.
"You mean O'Shay? We sweated her some times but *we had* to let her go."
Did they now? Why? *They had* to let her go? Really strange when put out of context.
I find Milton's offers sincere although hard to believe.
Ross in the other hand was ideally using underhanded tactics. Kidnapping, blackmailing and in the end not keeping his word.
Oh I just noticed at 3:53 that Hosea gently rubs Dutch's shoulder !
aw :(
3:22 THE FACE OF HOSEA
Hes like "bruh"
What I loved was Dutch was ready to turn himself in for the gang knowing they back him up, but even so he would’ve took that deal
Milton: Who are you?
John: Rip Van Winkle
Milton: ...huh
Me: Ded
...huh
Look at Micah he looks scared because he knows he been talking to them agents
he didn't talk until they came back from the Caribbean
Bradley Porter really? How do you know that
+Ray Ray
when you rescue abigal
"molly? she didn't talk much, had to let her go, micha on the other hand, picked him up when you boys got back from the Caribbean" search for the cutscene online :)
Bradley Porter ohh okay yeah I remember that part
I like how Milton is going after Dutch and Everyone Reloads their gun and he backs it up🤣
1:23 i lost it when he said that on purpose 😂😂😂😂🤣
LMAO Yeah
I love how almost everyone in the gang here pulls out a gun when Dutch said he would go with milton. Almost as if they knew that was code for if he goes we go too
Has anyone noticed how Kieran looks at Milton and Ross? the guy quickly draws out his gun and damn he looks Pissed, if anyone still doubts he's not an O'driscoll just look at this scene...
When you and the boys open a pack of Magic: The Gathering cards too early.
What I never understood is why Agent Milton and Ross were so relentless on hunting the Van Der Linde gang. The ODriscolls were literally hundreds of bandits and were a far larger threat than a band of women and men living in a camp.
Dutch is also worse than the gang thought, he doesn’t actually care, he just fools others into thinking he does
Cornwall paid the agency to hunt the Dutch Van Der Linde gang
An. S. Yea but after he died there was no reason for the Pinkertons to continue their search since they werent being funded
@@cinezurdo Because Dutch is what they are after, not really the gang
@@cinezurdo
Cornwall funded for them to be stronger, but after the death of Cornwall they still needed to get them
I love how kieran gets his gun out, so out of place but so in place at the same time I can’t really describe it
tbh mr Milton was better then ross he gave the gang a lot of chances and ross just used john
1:41
"This place ain't no such thing as civilized. It's man so in love with greed he has forgotten himself, and found only appetites."
so, go ahead and stick with your poverty, but we want to better our lives, don't get in the way please
@@overcomingsins6334 the western world is not that civilized
“You ain’t of anything much more than a Killer, Mr. Van der Linde”
This, plus Dutch’s reaction and Milton calling him a false messiah leads me to believe that it’s here when Dutch starts losing it. He’s one part a man who cares most for people who have been wronged in life by society, and another part a sociopath who’s hatred for society leads him to crave only wanton murder and destruction. Bare in mind this is shortly after he and the gangs strongest, though mostly justified, killed an entire family. This is only perpetuated further by what bronte said “you do nothing, you stand for nothing, me? I run a city, and when the law catches up, you will die like nothing”. For all intended purposes, it’s safe to say Dutch did have a plan, and it was here he started to forget what that plan was, and all the doubt he put on others was more than anything else on himself.
I get you. He started losing focus on his plan and focused on why should he hate people like Bronte, Cornwall and the Pinkerton Detective Agency.
Muneh
John 3:16
King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever
Isaiah 40:8
Jesus saith unto him I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the Father but by me John 14:6
Psalm 46:10
Be still and know that I am God. I will be exalted among the heathen. I will be exalted in the earth.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth upon him shall not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Matthew 16:24
King James Version
24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Even Kieran had his gun ready.
I like how the one thing that shakes Dutch is being described as "nothing but a killer" - it goes against everything Dutch believes he is.
Rip van winkle😂😂😂
The sad part is I think that even if most of the gang could see into the future at how everything would end, they would still have defended Dutch against Milton
Notice how Kieran ( a Former O’Driscolls member ) picked his Gun to kill Ross and Milton in case things get ugly, He wanted to be part of their family, But they don’t Trust him cause what he used to be, He even said when he fished with Arthur “ Im a Prisoner, I can’t even Leave the camp cause The O’Dricolls Would be looking for me, And you guys don’t trust me “ .. It makes me Sad that Kieran was Bullied and He Saved Arthur Life’s But Arthur couldn’t Save Kieran’s Life when he needed to be Saved
Edit: Damn Thank you for the Likes Guys, Never got that Many
Phantom Foxy the fact that he’s willing to gun down the pinkertons is enough loyalty and honor in my book
Wish R* gave him a happier story line than what he got
I would’ve imagined he opened up his own stable/ranch
You're right but the random capitalization drove me fucking bananas. xD
he the guy you started to like and then.......yeah
It was sad but I like when I see some brutal deaths in games and seeing kieran holding his own head on a horse just made me laugh
who tf sits there and writes up a comment like this???
Milton says I'm giving a chance to live normal life. It's kind of funny because half of the crew wanted normal lifes. Hosea, Lenny, Arthur, John, Abigail, Tilly, Uncle, Charles, etc
kriss007G If History has taught me anything it’s this: Never trust the US government when they offer you a deal. They rarely if ever honor it. Especially during this time period the US government was brutal.
He just wants them to split so he can pick them off easily
I like how Milton is weirdly merciful for everyone other than Dutch
How so?
@@TheFunnyDictator he calls them all lost souls that Dutch has lead horribly astray. As if he just wants to take Dutch away and try to let the others like Arthur try to repent.
The ending would be so much better, if the gang would give up on Dutch to be honest.
Who's back here after the drama with Hasbro/Wizard of the Coast hiring the Pinkertons
The way he said that to Lenny makes me wanna brake his damn jaw. I like Lenny, he's my second favorite apart from Uncle and Javier takes 3rd
liked dutch a hosea
@nanda erdhani nah he said "boy" in a racial superiority manner.
Back then almost everyone was racist, soo...
@Ali Chaudhry I stopped reading your comment after you wrote "sjw snowflake" lmao reactionary chuds like you are still stuck in 2016.
@Ali Chaudhry Sorry but "boy" had very racial undertones during that time period. Lenny might be young, but he's still a grown man.
0:28 Charles Lindbergh begs to differ, Dutch
The Pinkertons exist…and they’re still here. Crazy.
I love how they threaten them with 50 men but its stated that angelo Bronte has 50 men and they kill all of them lmfao
All those times you’re coming back to camp “who’s that???” “Identify yourself”, the one time someone slacks off is when the suits turn up, good job LENNAH
Looking back, I think taking Milton’s deal of just taking Dutch wasn’t such a bad idea with how everything turned out
4:19 i didn't know Strauss has a gun
Well, he is a Outlaw. Some of them might have their gun
@@farisfaizzal9825 i mean some of the gang members don't even use guns
@@Akasakadan2356 probably they aren't exactly a fighter
Well, you gotta give credit to Milton for giving the gang multiple chances to stop and leave the life behind.
1:35 micha was really scared.
This is such a good scene. It shows that there's no bad or good people in the world, just people willing to live and die for their beliefs.
Javier has a dope ass revolver
3:30, micah pulled out his guns to kill ross and milton if they shoot dutch, gotta say it shows micah at one point had real loyalty to dutch before the pinkertons picked him up after guarma, honestly i felt micah could've had some more redeeming qualities about him but still be a scumbag later on the story, but still he's a great antagonist but still felt he wasn't all bad until he ratted out everyone
I dunno if that was really out of loyalty. imho it feels more like he was doing it to keep up appearance.
I mean...if he had just stood there and not attempted to defend Dutch, it would've raised several red flags for the gang, and his cover may likely would've been blown!
3:00 The way everybody pulled their guns out as soon as Dutch said he had an appointment just shows how loyal everybody is to the gang.
Kind of a small detail but i love how even Kieran has a gun out and doesn’t hesitate to pull it out when everyone else does. Like i would have expected him to back up or kinda look around before doing anything but it’s a nice detail
Why does Kieran look like he’s having a Vietnam flashback at 3:15
Probably what happened to his first outlaw gang.
prolly because he’s pretty much the punching bag of the game