Beautiful way to end the show. Thank you to all of you who showed up to all the watch parties and keep adding to this beautiful community. What did you think of this episode? Of this show as a whole? Will we get season 2? Do you want that? See you in the next video, and may the force be with you, always.
I think there's more to the Qui-Gon scene. Although maybe I'm overthinking it. But it ties into something Dave Filoni said in regards to Episode 1. Qui-Gon wasn't like the current Jedi, he embraced love and relationships in regards to being a Jedi, not isolation. He was to be a father figure to Anakin, not a brother as Obi-Wan was. Anakin's turn to the dark side was the failure of the Jedi. The forbidden relationship with Padme, the isolation from his family which led to the death of his mother. Unnecessary rules which serve no benefit which only caused more conflict and resentment. The methods of the Jedi during that period were incompatible with the core values of the Jedi and Qui-Gon knew this. This is why he was never on the council and rejected it. So when Obiwan is buried under the rocks, what gives him strength? The bonds he has formed with others and his relationship with them. That is the true power of the light side of the force and it's something the Jedi have neglected. When Obi-Wan realizes this, it is a revelation and he is now on the same level of understanding as Qui-Gon, that is why he is "ready to see him" now. If you think about every victory in the Star Wars series it is the attachments with others which serves as the driving force. Vader was ultimately saved by the very thing the Jedi Code forbids. This even follows into the sequels (oh no). Luke ultimately tries to recreate the old methods of training with his Jedi Temple, and yet again ends in destruction. Even Yoda knows the Jedi got it wrong in destroying the Jedi texts. The force is not bureaucratic. Ultimately I'd like to the think the end game would be a new Jedi order that uses attachment as a strength to unlock the true potential of the Jedi. Anyway, just some thoughts. Carry on.
I love how Hayden still has that rage filled tone in his voice like he did in ROTS. To me the circle is truly complete now that Hayden has been seen without the helmet it really brings to life the torment, hatred, pain, and sadness of Anakin and how much of a monster Vader really is underneath the helmet
It finally makes hayden and darth vader look like the same person The gap between hayden and the originals with james earl jones' voice was ridiculous and made it really hard to accept them as canon to each other Now with this, its fixed
why you refer to Episode III as ROTS.. next time..just write III. everbody knows it's called (R)evenge (O)f (T)he (S)ith - but writing it as ROTS..gahdamn man have some self respect
“I am what remains” is possibly the most painful line in this. It implies that the conflict was always there, and Vader was always present in some way.
I agree. There are moments in Anakin's life where he will engage (race scene) with anger, as does Leia. Demonstrating that good-evil is in all. The force merely amplifies and/or focuses said emotions.
@@phantomsith5168 That's because the "Vader side" knows that he had to use the rage in order to stay alive. It's what's keeping him in balance. If he lets the light overcome him, Sidious knows that he will be lost and will just kill him off.
But the conflict was always there, and still is all the way through Return of the Jedi. It's this conflict within that ends up saving Anakin and allows him to save his own son from the Emperor.
That "I will do what I must" sent chills through my whole body, that fight was in my imagination for years and it finally happened, thank you Hayden and Ewan
Lol, apparently all he must do is set him free again, because that went well the first time. Now he can head back out and kill innocents, growing the empire. Nice.
@@lukesmale24 Remember in ROTS how Obi Wan left Anakin to die burning in a pit of lava? Remember in ROTJ when Obi Wan tries to persuade Luke to kill his father because there's no other way? Remember that? Bullshit is what I say, there's no reason for Obi Wan not to end him then and there
I feel like Obi-Wan saying “one of us must die” actually makes sense because later on he says “then my friend is truly dead”, because in that moment Anakin is dead to Obi-Wan, hence why he calls him “Darth” as he leaves. So neither of them actually die, but symbolically one does.
On first viewing I had trouble with Obi-wan showing more mercy for a full blown Sith than for his padawan that he lets burn alive on Mustafar and (presumably) die. Why would he let Vader go and carry on with his murderous projects ? He is after all the Empire's top asset and much suffering could be avoided by ending him right there. Kenobi was a pretty ruthless general during the Clone wars, and didn't have trouble killing Grievous and Darth Maul before that. But on second viewing I have to acknowledge that it makes sense in the narrative arc of this show, with Obi-wan at first crushed by negative emotions such as guilt, fear, remorse, etc and while under the rocks thrown by Vader, his mind switches to focus on Leia and Luke and that brings him back to Light. And then of course the flashback duel in the previous episode is precisely centered on the concept of mercy, with Obi-wan lecturing Anakin, so his behavior is aligned with what he preached then. And the theme of mercy comes once more when discussing with Reva, saying to her that it was not a weakness to have spared Luke, quite the contrary and that they were now both free (of their negative emotions I guess). So I'm sort of 90% convinced that it kinda makes sense to spare Darth Vader for him at this point in their story at least...
The final episode was beautiful. The duel between Obi-Wan and Vader and the conversation later brought me to tears. The change of light on Anakin/Vader’s face, being able to hear Anakin again was just superb. I felt that the threads were closed nicely at the end of the episode linking it with the story ahead. Obi-wan grew out of the guilt and sorrow we saw him in the beginning of the series and he was back to his old self before Mustafar. Cherry on top, Qui-Gon Jin as the force ghost, finally. It was just great to see these characters and actors on screen again.
Also Ewan knocked it out of the park with his performance, like when he sees "Anakin" after he cuts thro the mask and gets emotional was soooo good. Can really see and feel his pain and hurt, loved it 10/10
He was a complete bad ass in this episode, especially when he went ham and smashed up vaders control panel with his saber hilt. This dual was way better than the episode 3 show down for me. He bettered skywalker/Vader again. The ultimate kick in the ballz for Vader is that when he does in fact win, (on the Death Star) it’s an actual gimme, Obiwan let’s him win. I love the way he psychological mind fucks him. The wry little smile he gives before allowing Vader to strike him down. He knows he’s got the better of him again.
I have completely given up trying to explain logic, reason and common sense to people who give this show a 10/10. It's like good writing and directing is no longer something recognizable. I truly sometimes forget how "basic" Star Wars fans can be. They'd rather have the facts/story/details right over a cogent story even though this episode was full of wtf why moments. Go back to making movies Disney these shows are garbage
@@kingwein89 you just don’t understand the Star Wars story and fine not a 10/10 literally but it met all my needs and expectations that I was wanting to see from a Star Wars show especially episode 10. Not the show as a whole.
Vader’s yelling at the end indicates that he’s almost obsessed or clinging to some unhealthy notion of Obiwan. Like a great mixture of anguish, anger, hate, and longing. Almost like a desperation for help but the confusion to ask for it. The humanity that they give him and the split mask is some of the most meaningful portrayal I’ve seen Vader in. Finally bridged the connection for me as I’d always seen too much of a separation before
Anyone feel like the “I’m not your failure Obi Wan… you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker… I did” gave Obi enough closure and ability to let go of his “hurt” to see Qui Gon? Looking back, it’s almost like Anakins last gift to Obi Wan.
ABSOLUTELY! It's pretty much a foreshadowing of Vader's personal conservation with Luke in Return Of The Jedi: He respects Obi Wan's intent, and actually gives him a bit of reassurance.
It made me think of how Ben tells Luke that Vader killed his father. Almost like Anakin knew, and wanted Obi Wan to tell his children his father was killed by a monster and not became the monster
@@MiniMikesCustom yes and in that instance it’s anakin talking you can’t see his sith eyes but when he said I killed him you see Vader just showing that obi wan didn’t turn anakin to this it was the dark side
I always wondered how Vader got that huge cut scar or dent on his head visible when he took his helmet off to see Luke. I am impressed how they implemented it in the fight scene between Vader and Kenobi.
That scar was in the behind the scenes pictures of Revenge of the Sith. Theory actually did a video on it, but it was not given to Vader here, maybe reopened it, or expanded it making it worse, but it has been there since ep3.
Things I really liked about this episode: -Ewan & Hayden, they were so great -Anakin/Vader's voice blending--this shows the voice Hayden developed to sync up with James Earl Jones' performance -Owen & Beru got a chance to shine, we see their genuine love & guardianship for Luke -Qui-Gon Jin, of course -Palpatine the Great, calling out Vader's weakness like a true master, pushing him to move beyond Kenobi -Cry Theory returns--seriously man, don't ever change. :)
All of those for sure, but honorable mention to the scene where Obi-Wan described Leia's parents without saying their names, with her theme and the Force theme running in the background. That scene really got me. Oh and Leia saying "Will i ever see you again?", basically *identically* to Jake Lloyds Anakin.
Well if we put him in carbonite and just thaw him out for Vader voice overs we can probably hold on to him for some time. That said he’s an elderly gentleman now at 91 years of age, he may not survive the freezing process??
Seeing Vaders face through the mask for the first time in live action and hearing his voice under the mask say "You didn't kill Anakin, I did" honestly gave me true fear chills down my spine and conveyd such strong emotion. It was a great ending.
I have no idea what show you were watching. The fact that Reva got stabbed by a lightsaber not once, but twice, and still survived was just so pathetic. And she miraculously just showed up on Tatooine magically! What a lame and pathetic show with no real character development. You guys are just the lowest denominator consumers that Disney wanted.
Obi-Wan's "Then my friend is truly dead" is a parallel to Luke's quote in ROTJ: "Then my father is truly dead." With that retcon, we can say that Vader remembered what Obi-Wan said and that's why he was so affected by Luke's words in that beautiful ROTJ scene.
Man, this series added SO MUCH to the OT. I'm going to watch it all over again! Wow! I can't believe Disney actually made this and I can't understand why people are hating on this show. As a matter of fact, I do believe this series will grow on people.
@@benrawson007 that’s how tv series work. First episodes build up the characters and tend to be less interesting, then the climax comes to the last 1-2 episodes. The whole clone wars was like that and really any tv show works the same.
Obi Wan apologizing to Anakin had me in tears ... that was big... owning up to his own mistakes, even though Anakin brought so much of it on himself. And Anakin almost ... absolving Obi Wan? That was so unexpected. It sounded like a cry for help, and at the same time he was boasting that he killed his own self to become Vader.
Well also palatine even said “ perhaps your feelings for your old master has left you weakened “ so obviously he felt something for obi wan in this moment.
@@kongspeaks4778 That's also very valid.... or even too insecure or angry to accept what Anakin could have been .. it's too late to turn back now, so he may as well commit to everything terrible he's already done
It was such a good paralel to Twilight of the Apprentice. Instantly got that vibe when Obi-Wan started beating Vader. You know the saying. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
@@BrezzyBoi33 how’s it copy and paste? The emotions/circumstances/conversations between Vader/Kenobi and Vader/Ahsoka are literally completely different apart from the ‘then you will die’ line. Plus, Star Wars has always been about callbacks to other great scenes.
I did really like the symmetry in the dialoge between Kenobi and Vader. Like "Then you will die" vs "you will try" in Episode III and also the line "Then my friend is truly dead" vs "Then my father is truly dead" as Luke said in Episode VI. It did feel a bit like George Lukas said: It rhymes.
Vader’s voice changing back and forth to Anakin and Vader gave me chills. Leia saying “will I ever see you again?” Just like Anakin to his mom brought me to tears. Best finally in a long time
I got really strong "Twilight of the Apprentice" vibes from that whole scene, i would be very, very surprised if they had not taken heavy inspiration from it. But it was incredibly well done and got to me for sure
My favorite little piece is the "Goodbye, Darth." It is the first time he acknowledges Anakin is gone - and comes off as a bit of a sly insult. It also ties in nicely with how he refers to Vader in a new hope (only a master of evil darth). I don't think he ever uses his sith name directly to Vaders face.
@Jack Harper This is very poignant. If he kills. 'Darth' , he becomes a murderer. Obi-Wan has just rediscovered his Jedi abilities. To murder Darth,, would throw out Obi-Wan's ,'development'..
I think Obi Wan's line "Then my friend is truly dead" adds some more emotional weight to when Luke tells Vader "Then my Father is truly dead" in ROTJ - perhaps this sparks a memory for Vader at that moment which may have made him dwell on his long lost friendship with Obi Wan and hence the man he was before he became Darth Vader, there may have also been an element of regret to having killed his former master and 'brother'. I would like to think that this all aided in his transition to the light side.
Parts of that brought me to tears. I know the series wasn’t perfect but I loved it. 10 years ago we thought we’d never see the actors do these characters again. This is a blessing.
@@badnoodlez Not if you have multiple people all seeing the same thing. And that is a deeply flawed show that has some admittedly cool scenes but it's not enough to cover up the plot holes it creates or the contrivances that are needed to keep the show going. But if all you're looking for is a dumb action show to turn your brain off to, it serves it's purpose.
The bit that broke me was when Owen turned to Kenobi and said "do you want to meet him?" 10 years he waited to meet the boy he has pretty much given his life up to watch over. Equally emotional Leia calling him Obi Wan driving home the fact that she will probably never see him again. I think it also give weight to just how ecstatic she when she finds out he is on the death star during the rescue mission in ANH
Oh yeah, he definitely gave up his life to guarding him. That's why he cut himself off from the force and then jumped at the opportunity to go save leia who is obviously more important than Luke, instead of letting Baile and his fucking planet sized resouces to find his "daughter"
You missed an important detail; after Obi-Wan called him «Darth» when he left, it suddenly makes sense why Obi-Wan calls him «Darth» and not «Anakin» in A New Hope. I have always found it stupid that he called him «Darth», and Obi-Wan would never do that. Until now.
The whole Darth thing never bothered me... but the fact that Kenobi had the chance to kill Vader but just didn't is ridiculous, especially when he tries to gaslight Luke into killing him years later.
@@medalgear654 I think people are really missing something with the meaning behind Obi sparing Vader/Anakin. If you analyse it you will know the meaning and purpose of it.
ive always believed obi wan was calling vader by his title, darth. like how someones title can be sir (name), calling someone “sir” still denotes the title
@@astroamp1686 then explain the meaning behind Obi-Wan leaving the most dangerous man alive to wreak more havoc across the universe and then lying to Luke and then forcing him to kill Vader when he had the perfect opportunity to do so?
I think “Goodbye…Darth” is my favorite part of this show. It gives all the context we need why Obi-Wan called Vader “Darth” on the Death Star. I never thought of it as corny, but I was always uncomfortable with the inconsistency because of how the saga progressed, so I was thankful for this tied up loose end. While I agree that “intense pain” is a big part of it, I also think pity is involved. To call him “Darth” instead of “Vader” is a sort of passive aggressive way of not taking him seriously, as if to say “Think of what you could have been, yet you’ve chosen to be this.”
“I’m sorry anakin” broke me. It’s all the closure I’ve felt I needed for years. To see obi-wan kinda let go of all the pain of losing anakin to finally realize there’s more to his journey than ptsd when he pushed the rocks out was awesome. I think that was moment he finally “forgave” himself for what happened.
"I am what remains." breaks me every time I rewatch this episode...the perfect combination of Hayden's voice mixed with Vaders just perfect...You can hear the emotion in Anakin's half followed with the ruthless Vader tone ugh..
The voice shifting between Vader and Anakin was an absolute GIFT for me. Also Vader lost cause he had some feelings in his way, and Obi spared cause of the deep feelings and friendship he had
Did he lose though? He was still standing and Obi Wan decided to just walk away. Did he spare him because of that? He did say his friend is truly dead and called him Darth. Idk
Seeing Qui-Gon really hit me in the feels as it did you, perhaps for different reasons. I was in my mid 20's when TPM came out. It was also the last time I ever got to see a movie with my father. The parallels of the whole Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan relationship, I could relate to later in life.
This new films and series is all about hitting the FEELINGS , and without offending you but using you as example, this serie was TOTAL SHIT, uncannon as fuck . Just a pointless feelings grabbing for weak people . Dogshit Disney as always
The way that Ewan perfectly portrays the pain and hurt seeing Anakin under the helmet was immaculate acting, not to mention Haydens amazing performance of pain and anger in just his voice and facial expressions. Absolutely amazing scene that I never thought I would see 💯❤️.
Both actors performances were superb and for me the best thing about the show. Things like Vader being unable to sense Obi Wan was alive and well a few feet away, turning away with a job done mentality took me out of the show abit I might of blurted out BS while watching that. Would of liked a little more Obi Wan in my Obi Wan show.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate firstly how well casted Vivien is for the role of Leia, and secondly appreciate how well she acted. Roles of young kids are so hard to do right and for me not to be annoyed with, but I enjoyed her as Leia very much!
Totally agree! I think her and Ewan scenes together were the best part of the show (minus the chase)! I enjoyed it but for some reason the rest of the series just feels a bit off, i dont know why. Maybe it’s purely because it’s not Lucas’ Star Wars anymore
Dude hearing Vader talk with his battle damaged helmet really creeped me out. It sounded like he was struggling to talk. It looked like he was feeling an extreme amount of pain for every word he says without his mask on. Hayden Christensen really did a great job in this scene. Also it was really nice to see Liam Neeson again 😎👍🏼. Thanks for the video breakdown theory!
Vader with the broken helmet was the best part of this episode... I wish they'd shown a bit more of him recuperating & processing rather than cutting to the scene with Palpatine where he already has a shiny new helmet.
@@callmetz7967 honestly my first thought is that he sounds like me when I have a terrible cold with strep throat. And I gobble down a whole bucket of Texas bluebell ice cream just to cool it down lol 😆
@@robws007 that would be cool but it wouldn’t really make sense because every minute he doesn’t have his helmet fully on, can lead to death for him. Especially with the toxic air on that rock planet(well it’s toxic for Vader not Kenobi)
9:59 That makes perfect sense! Maybe the cuts (right for Ahsoka and left for Obi-Wan) were meant to symbolize how the two people closest to Anakin (besides Padme, of course), managed to break through to Anakin, but it wasn’t enough to redeem him. But Luke was able to (metaphorically) break Vader’s mask completely and bring Anakin back to the light.
"I killed him" makes the conversation between Luke and Obiwan (Return of Jedi) make more sense. Luke: "you told me Vader killed my father" Obiwan: "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view".
I will admit I was initially hesitant with the “you can’t tell anyone” as resolving the issue of canon, but the more I sit with it, the more it works for me. They established a great connection between Obi-Wan and Luke in the OT but this story gave us the idea that Leia was important too. “There is another”, as Yoda said. And while it isn’t maybe the best or most logical way to interpret the events of A New Hope, the “you can’t tell anyone or it will endanger us both” shows they at least cared to make this fit in with canon, and they chose to make this fun story instead of taking the logical approach and giving the audience verbatim what they think they will get at the expense of probably a less fun 6 episodes.
The part of that scene where Obi-Wan tells Leia of the traits she inherited from her parents really sticks out. Obi-Wan was talking about Anakin and Padme, of course Leia thought he meant Bail and his wife. Sadly, her and Luke never got to know they’re real parents. If they did later on, it’s only all the more tragic.
When I saw Obi-Wan cut off the mask, I said to myself, “This is the sound design opportunity of a lifetime. Please get it right!” And they killed it. Despite any qualms I have with the show, the way they mixed Hayden Christian and James Earl Jones’s voices together was absolutely menacing. I will definitely be rewatching for that moment alone.
It would have been more impressive if Rebels hadn't done it first (albeit with animation and Matt Lanter's voice). For me it was more like a powerful callback, and completion of a circle - first time (later in the timeline) he faced his former apprentice, second time (earlier in the timeline) he faced his former master.
@@trayvonandrews6278 I mean rebels did do the half mask first but like it’s common sense lol of course there gonna show him half mask half face no one was surprised by it
@@trayvonandrews6278 lifeless fan? What? You’re a « better » fan?😂 picking some scenes from other moments in the star wars universe was sick! If you disliked it, i’m sorry for you. You must be a very negative person.
I loved the Alec Guinness transitions how after the fight he calls him “Darth” like he does in a new hope now he knows anakin is consumed and it’s made so many lines of dialogue make more sense from both a new hope and return of the Jedi before some felt a bit jagged with age after the prequels came out but this show has perfectly blended the dialogue with the newer ideas
Agreed- I thought the transitions were a nice way to smooth the transitions between films. Also, from an effects-level, they did the same with the merging of the robotic Vader voice with Anakin's voice, which I thought was eerily magnificent. Puts a nice auditory transition for all the "but he says 'Mah-ster' in the original films vs Anakin saying 'master'" people.
Bro, Hayden’s smile he did when he said, “I did,” was actually so creepy. I love that he actually made it seem like Vader was a different person from Anakin. It was like he was possessed or something.
The way Vader was looking upward with his eyes is the same way Anakin looked up at Palpating when he was knighted Darth Vader,looking up, being seduced by the dark side.
That's what the Dark Side does to you. It changes you, almost completely. It's similar to how it changed Ben Solo into Kylo Ren, and vice versa. Notice how different Ben Solo was compared to Kylo Ren. His mannerisms, his humor, he even looked healthier when he reverted back to Ben, and he fought with a style very similar to Anakins. Instead of the brute force style of Kylo Ren which was also like Vaders.
I think that Kenobi adopting Qui-Gon's stance in his final fight against Maul was more of a bait than anything. You see a look of realization on Maul's face after Obi-Wan switches stances. And then, once the fight begins, Maul attempts to counter the stance/form in the same way he did so with Qui-Gon, using the hilt to stun him. This is the point where Obi-Wan's bait-out succeeds. He uses Maul's pride to bait him into killing the apprentice the way he did the master, making him incredibly predictable to Obi-Wan, who needs only one precise strike to win. Obi-Wan won that fight before it even began.
@@geenickelhead8118 Great minds! It's my favorite lightsaber duel to this day. To me it emphasizes what makes old Ben such a formidable opponent. You might be younger, stronger, and faster, but his surgical skill and unparalleled experience make him better. At this point there's nothing his opponents have seen/done that he isn't already prepared for. F#@$ing love it.
@korrok Oh yeah there was definitely some of that as well. A final nod towards his master, who is always with him, always watching. Wordlessly expressing to his master that, while he was, finally, to avenge his death, it would be from a place of calm, controlled mercy, as upposed to the brushless and rage with which he'd approached Maul during their first battle. I think it also symbolized how things have changed - Obi Wan was not able to protect Qui-Gon (nor Anakin), but now, at the end, he would fulfill his master's final wish. He would protect the boy.
I feel that every Jedi had their “force unleashed moment” and I feel after Kenobi gets out the rubble he finds his purpose in the galaxy and had his force unleashed moment
@@blksnaredrumer not trying to bring ya down. Maybe we r talking about 2 different things. Ive just never seen kenobi pick up 40 boulders and hurl them at his opponent like he picked the mage class in elden ring.
Feel exactly the same way seeing Qui Gon, the prequel callbacks and references made me feel like a kid again. I think it’s important you mentioned adapting during these new Star Wars projects. Even if there are things we dislike, finding the enjoyment and the scenes that connect with us can still be meaningful.
There was a lot of beautiful scenes in this episode. Seeing Vaders mask get shredded with Hayden’s face showing was an emotional moment for sure. I didn’t realize his eyes turned from blue to sith but that makes the scene even better.
I'm just going to come out and say it: Ewan McGregor is always a win. He nailed it in this series, and it's obvious from his interviews how much this character means to him. It's been a joy to see him back as Obi-Wan.
Agreed, have to say the same about Hayden Christensen as well. Both Hayden & Ewan understand their characters and have so much chemistry together (especially the Finale encounter scene)
@@JamesV1 I don’t understand what you mean by this? Are StarWars fans supposed to sit down and accept every pile of shit that Disney releases? Why are there people like you who have the mindset of, “oh just turn your brain off and enjoy it”? Or “Just be happy you’re getting StarWars content at all”. I can speak for a lot of fans that episodes 1-6 and the clone wars would be just fine. A lot of StarWars fans have been following and studying the franchise for 20+ years. So when Disney releases a half assed, poorly written project, (which is more common than not) of course we’re going to speak out about it. StarWars fans aren’t the only ones who do this. There’s passionate fans for everything. Sadly there’s more casual viewers than there are die hard fans, so that’s why these big corporations can get by half assing everything because they know a bulk majority will “turn their brain off and enjoy it”. Lucasfilm and Disney are run by people who do not give the first single fuck about the fans. Keep shilling for them though.
@@friendlyneighborhoodcollec5928 Most star wars fans are not even happy with George lucas when he was in control and hated him for the return of the jedi and the prequels. Doesn't even matter if another company took over star wars. Fans would hate them as well. Even bringing back George lucas wouldn't even change anything, I love star wars but the fandom has issues and extremely toxic at times with hate mail etc, I still remember when George got death threats
I love how kenobi kept calling him anakin, until now, calling him darth. In anh, ben called him that and it shows how he gave up believing anakin is in there.
@@renaicirculation4143 that is dumb. Never has obi wan been this “can’t due this it’s not my destiny”. He would have done it. Now obi wan is directly responsible for every action Vader does from now on. Also, totally not supported by the OT. That shows obi wan clearly wanted Vader dead but likely didn’t think he could defeat him. Otherwise, why would he try to make Luke kill Vader?
Obiwan used Qui-Gons stance against Maul to goad him into using the same attack he killed Qui-Gon with. Maul fell for it which is how Obiwan was able to dispatch him so quickly.
I love how when he says "I'm not your failure, Obi-Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker- I did.", the light shines blue onto his face, signifying Anakin's lightside breaking through to give Obi-Wan closure. Then the light's reflection turns red as 'Vader' regains control and says "The same way I will destroy you!"
I love how Obi-Wan called him Darth just like he did in *A New Hope* he couldn’t say Anakin until *Return of the Jedi* same with Vader saying he *killed* him and words of Obi-Wan says to Luke, “he murdered and betrayed your father”.
Hayden's "Obi-wan!" scream is more haunting and emotional, but Sam Witwer screaming "KENOBI!" is just so primal, and I still believe more iconic. Both very very good tho
I love how the only way obi-wan can cope with the situation is to teach himself to believe that Anakin and Vader were 2 different people. I love how Obiwan doesn’t avoid blame in A New Hope when he said Vader was also a pupil of his like Anakin; Only that Vader turned to evil, and betrayed and killed Anakin. The sheer discrepancy between both Characters forces obi-wan to rationalize it as two individuals. His trauma and baggage are preventing him from being in a state where he isn’t constantly confronting the reality of the situation. So he constructs his own head canon essentially to help mitigate his pain. It bleeds into his training with Luke, and he justifies keeping the truth from him, as a simple difference in perspective; which with the new context of Kenobi, was a psychological state he carefully constructed to keep his mind clear of pain to be a more effective protector. Brilliant.
@@humanperson3932 For all we know, it's like a collapsible baton on a police belt. We (Luke) don't know its purpose. It's a shiny object dangling from his belt, and that's just what it is. He doesn't know it's a more civilised weapon for a more civilised age.
I really love how this episode depicted the relationship between master and apprentice. Thinking you have came so far and learned so much and then your master shows up and says much training you still need. Really shows the depth of the possibilities of the force.
"then my friend is truly dead" After all that happened. After all he did to Anakin and vise versa. The way Anakin/Vader looks. He's more machine then man. But Obi Wan still thought of him as his friend
The blue light flickering on Hayden's face as the distorted voice shifts between his and James Earl Jones's before going back to drowning in the red was absolutely chilling. The show was a mixed bag for sure but it gave us so much to fall in love with and it did so much right that to me it was great. Vader vs Reva and Vader vs Obi-Wan were both special
Best part you missed is when Kenobi is walking away, and he calls Anakin "Darth" for the 1st time....the same way he refers to him in a new hope and going forward....the last time He refers to him as Anakin until Luke asks him in Empire.
One thing I noticed too is that sometimes Vader would put both hands on his saber instead of using his typical one hand. It’s as if he needed a better grip knowing that Kenobi had gotten stronger.
When Vader says “You didn’t fail Anakin I killed him” it reminds me of the part where obi wan says “Vader Betrayed and Murdered your father” and its a nice callback to that. Also when Luke finds our Vader is his father and obi wan says “its true from a certain point of view” makes so much more sense now
Obi wan could only destroy the left side of vaders mask Ahsoka could only destroy the right side Luke destroyed vaders entier mask when he took it off I love this
Man knowing Qui-Gon was always there, always watching, is so painful. That man had so much hope for Anakin and an immense amount of love for Obi Wan. I want to hear his thoughts on the prequel saga and the way things played out.
You didn’t note it in this breakdown but I thought the parallel between the “You will die” from this to rebels was a really nice touch especially since in both duels his helmet was sliced open and both Ahsoka and Obi-Wan realized Anakin truly was dead. Just something I noticed myself and was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.
The scene between Vader/Anakin and Obi-Wan shattered me. I broke down into tears, man. Hayden’s ability to communicate hate and anger just with his eyes, even through the makeup and half of his face not being visible is absolutely incredible. The lighting of that scene switching from the blue glow of Kenobi’s lightsaber when Anakin was telling him that he isn’t Obi-Wan’s failure, to the red glow of Vaders lightsaber when VADER took over and said he killed Anakin, just like he’ll destroy Obi-Wan was unbelievable. Not to mention Hayden’s absolutely SEAMLESS transitions back and forth from how Anakin speaks to how Vader speaks was phenomenal, and truly showed his acting skills. His SCREAMING of Obi-Wan’s name sent a chill down my spine. And of course, Ewan’s ability to communicate Kenobi’s emotions and past guilt over Anakin’s fall with barely any word of mouth and a lot of talking with the eyes is honestly some of the best acting I’ve seen from him ever. The entire scene made me cry like a baby. Their story is so heartbreaking, and out of all the stories in Star Wars is the one that always moves me to tears. Beautiful show man.
It makes the prequel hate unwarranted, and put a halt on Hayden's career. Anakin's character while well written in the PT, was poorly *directed* with poor *dialogue*. Hayden is a talented actor and is quite clearly a theater sort of actor. Expressive.
@@SirMan48 People just weren't ready at the time, now more and more people are realizing how good the prequels are and always have been; they have aged like fine wine.
I would argue that it was kenobis grown attachment and love and hope for the children is what gave kenobi the greater strength. One will notice that a anakin was always more powerful while striving to protect those he loves. This supports the idea that love and emotion are correct vs the pure Jedi way. I like the thought that obi-wan is evolving into a more powerful person by embracing what anakin did right.
I always thought it was weird that Kenobi referred to Vader as "Darth" in Episode 4, since that is a title and not a name. No one else refers to Sith Lords that way. They are either called "Lord" or their Sith name is used. I noticed that Kenobi did it again in this last episode of the show. I think he uses it because he can no longer call him Anakin, but he refuses to call him by his new personal Sith name (Vader).
I thought the same thing hearing it, he laments the loss of Anakin yet will not acknowledge Vader as an individual. All he uses is Darth, the title of the sith, of his enemy.
I thought the same. Also, him saying “then my friend is truly dead”, seemed like foreshadowing the same way Luke says in Jedi “then my father is truly dead”. Only Luke goes on to redeem Anakin whereas Kenobi cannot.
Favourite scene by far is Vader talking with the broken mask. At first I wasn’t sure if I liked how they did it but now I’m fully sold. Every line he says is delivered masterfully. “Anakin Skywalker is gone… I am what remains” it sounds so painful, physically and mentally, yet it’s also creepy and scary. It gave me serious Red Hood vibes, whenever Jason’s mask is broken or comes off for the first time, it’s the exact same broken feeling. And then the line “I am not your failure Obi Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker… I did.” Is absolutely chefs kiss. It’s really Anakin in a way saying “don’t blame yourself, it was all me” but at the same time he’s really pressing the whole “Anakin is dead, I killed him” thing. Which is also obviously how Ben describes Vader to Luke in ANH.
same, while it was happening I was thinking "this is good, but isn't it a bit cheesy?" but then I realized they're doing something new and different and that's a good thing, I'm tired of 'safe' writing. but the Choreography of the fights are very average to be honest, and it's unacceptable because there are really great choreographers out there and they should hire them, a Vader vs Obi-Wan fight should look way cooler than that.
@@Ar1AnX1x ehh I dunno, Vader isn’t fighting like Anakin so it wouldn’t be as Flashy on his side. Main part that was weird was Obiwan throwing rocks like that lol
I'm glad someone else noticed the lighting during the monologue between vader and OWK. When vader is talking about killing anakin, the harsh blue on OWK's face when it cuts to him, then the full red on vader afterwards, did a BEAUTIFUL job at showing the full loss of anakin in that scene. Very glad that that was noticed by at least one other person. By far the best episode
We now know that Vader still sounds like Anakin when the voice amplifier isn’t working so I wonder if the reason Vader’s voice sounds so different is because Sidious didn’t want Vader to think of himself as Anakin when he spoke.
@@L9ines So when his voice amplifier breaks, why does he sound like normal Anakin. The explanation you gave is the one that applies for legends but I think i's clear that it does not apply to canon after episode 6 of Kenobi.
Nah it’s because the original came out 40 years ago and they picked James Earl Jones because he sounded cool. Not everything needs a fucking explanation
@@jacka6207 It’s 2022 not 1979. Star Wars has expanded greatly. Your logic makes no sense. Especially when Vader takes his mask off and sounds different in Return of the Jedi.
I interpreted Vader saying "you did not kill Anakin, I did" as Anakin's final goodbye to his master, the final thing he could give Obi-Wan before his hate became too much. You can see it in the lightsaber lighting on his face, partially blue and red until he says "I did" and the red takes over. He wanted his master to not blame himself for his own failure
It gives more weight to Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father. But it undermines Vader telling Luke "I am your father." Make your mind up dude!
@@stephenderry9488 no. It gives more proof that anakin and Vader could "merge together for some small moments" because of the feelings for his son and the fact that he recognize Luke IS and will Always be both Vader and Anakin's son a fight for the control between the light and the dark, and also about wich is truly the father. Anakin beated the Darkness and Vader by redeeming himself letting off the anger and hate for his own son proving he could do anything for him and that je has true feelings, unlike Vader who just want his son as a powerfull apprentice and son and to rule with. But i get your point of view and take on it.
i think what i got from this scene is that i feel that Anakin would have been perfectly fine if he died in that duel right there and then. i think Anakin was ready and wanting to die. his hatred for Obi-wan is nothing more than a projection of his hatred towards himself and you constantly hear Vader saying " you should have killed me when you had the chance" Anakin wants to die at this point because he's given up he's trapped as Sidious eternal slave and leading an empire that he gives zero fucks about. all Anakin wanted was a happy life with Padme and his kids at the same time wanted to be the best Jedi ever. but all that was taken from him. both by the Jedi,sith and the war but also by his own hand and he hates himself for it. when he's yelling after Obi-wan probably wrecking his vocal cords even more i feel he's screaming for Obi-wan to come back and finish him. Suicide is not in Anakin's nature due to his ironclad will but he was very much suicidal. Vader in the comics set before this uses alot of reckless strategies to beat his enemies and alot of them put him in danger of dying himself but doesn't give a damn.
I absolutely loved the Finale and seeing the Rematch of the Century. Ewan’s visible emotional pain and sorrow when he sees Anakin behind the mask, combined with Hayden’s voice combining in and out with JEJ’s Vader. When Hayden’s Anakin tells him “I’m not your failure, Obi Wan”, it gives Obi Wan the much needed relief and chance to heal from the trauma & PTSD of being Anakin’s master and blaming himself for his fall to the Dark Side. Anakin finally takes responsibility for his own actions and when it switches to Vader, there’s that sudden sadistic tone in Hayden’s voice that takes pride in “killing Anakin” and planning to do the same to Obi Wan. At that moment, Obi Wan gets a sense of closure that his friend, brother, and Jedi apprentice is gone and it’s only “Darth” now, hence him calling him that when he leaves. Interesting to note that Obi Wan doesn’t kill Anakin (again) because he can’t force himself to and he is still probably clinging onto hope that Anakin will come back one day. Such a powerful scene, made me shed a tear for the first time since watching Anakin and Obi Wan’s Duel of the Fates. 10/10 acting by Ewan and Hayden and so happy they brought back my favorite childhood duo after 17 years past ROTS. I really hope Hayden gets his own show as Vader or at least bringing back him and Ewan for a S2 Obi Wan! Hayden as Anakin and Vader is 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼 Honorable mentions, no one has been showing love to Ian Diarmid’s cameo which was very important to the overall progression of the story (telling Vader to let Obi Wan go as it’s clearly limiting his Dark Side potential and drawing him back closer to Anakin). Liam Neeson Force Ghost Qui Gon was great, could’ve talked about Anakin though! Also Hello There meme at the end was a great way to end it off. Loved Little Leia’s acting and she formed a genuine bond with Obi Wan even making him laugh at the end!
Definitely the best live action lightsaber fight we've seen this past decade. Maybe an adaptation of the Vader comics would be a good series. A lot of interesting things in that which could be used in a non-episodic series
On first viewing I had trouble with Obi-wan showing more mercy for a full blown Sith than for his padawan that he lets burn alive on Mustafar and (presumably) die. Why would he let Vader go and carry on with his murderous projects ? He is after all the Empire's top asset and much suffering could be avoided by ending him right there. Kenobi was a pretty ruthless general during the Clone wars, and didn't have trouble killing Grievous and Darth Maul before that. But on second viewing I have to acknowledge that it makes sense in the narrative arc of this show, with Obi-wan at first crushed by negative emotions such as guilt, fear, remorse, etc and while under the rocks thrown by Vader, his mind switches to focus on Leia and Luke and that brings him back to Light. And then of course the flashback duel in the previous episode is precisely centered on the concept of mercy, with Obi-wan lecturing Anakin, so his behavior is aligned with what he preached then. And the theme of mercy comes once more when discussing with Reva, saying to her that it was not a weakness to have spared Luke, quite the contrary and that they were now both free (of their negative emotions I guess). So I'm sort of 90% convinced that it kinda makes sense to spare Darth Vader for him at this point in their story at least...
@@samcoder6900 yeah remember Jedi also have had this open door policy with sith, believing that they can come back to the light so mercy has been part of their ethos when dealing with Sith as well
@@TomSNC It makes sense in this narrative arc contained to this TV show. Obi-wan finds closure and reconnects with the Force after many years agonizing over what happened to Anakin. Which is why he is finally able to see Qui-Gon and move on. But in the global SW arc, it's a bit odd. If his life mission is now to protect Luke and Leia, what coud be more potent to that end than killing the Empire's most dangerous asset ?
This final episode made me feel like a child again, like when Revenge of the Sith came out. Watching Darth Vader and Obi-Wan fight brought me to tears, especially seeing Anakin and hearing him talking. Obi-Wan telling Leia about her parents was the last straw and made me cry😄 And seeing Qui-Gon just made me so happy. Now that this is over, I feel weirdly empty. Star Wars was such a huge thing growing up in my family, especially the prequel movies. It makes me feel sad that this COULD be the last time we see these actors as these characters(please let there be more🤞). This final episode definitely made the show🙂🙂
Same, I’ve never cried watching a show or movie before, but the dialogue between Vader and Obi-Wan after the fight absolutely brought me to tears. I love the characters so much; the story between them is beautiful and tragic, and this episode just added so much to it. Super happy with the finale 😄💜
I know exactly how you guys feel, it was definitely heart-wrenching to listen and watch that scene. That moment though for me that brought me to tears was the end of season 2 of the Mandalorian seeing Luke skywalker. That was the Mythic figure from my childhood that we never got to see until then
Agree 200% with everything you said, shed tears when Obi Wan said he was sorry for everything and Vader telling him he wasn’t Obi Wan’s failure 😭😭😭 seeing Hayden & Ewan (and Ian Mcdiarmid and Liam Needon) again was pure good and completed my childhood. Their duel was just as good as the Duel of the Fates
I loved the hello there reference, and think it ties in perfectly with in the previous episode when kenobi said hello to the driver when getting picked up, and now he has returned to his former self so his old ways have returned
Yeah you can see his closure. Anakins gone well at least for him and he has done all he can to help but it never worked. Now he can not make the same mistakes with Luke and Luke will now be the new hope that is needed like how Obi-wan was always called their only hope
I find it satisfying that Obi Wan never admits he is Vader, but instead calls him by his sith title to remove his the attachment to Anakin. Anakin turned to Vader but Obi Wan doesn't see him like that anymore, only another Darth plaguing the universe. Thus bringing Obi Wan full circle back to the force and the light. Just beautiful
Something I loved: In ANH Kenobi says “You can’t win Darth”. This whole series (this episode too) has indicated it’s all about WINNING for Anakin/Vader. He tells kenobi that’s why You’ll always lose or something to that effect. But Kenobi turns that on him in ANH Great connection there to show the through line of Anakins flaws always being present in Vader. In fact, his attachment (arguably not a flaw but his desire to control is) is what follows him to ROTJ and leads him to yeet palpatine.
@@gogetathestrongestfusion facts! And it was needed as it was important to canon! And it needs to be shown light is stronger than darkness! Things or people considered less than can overcome overwhelming obstacles or odds if they move by faith!
@@cooly1224 just wanted to say there was an interview with george lucas in 1990 where he tells an interviewer "oh yea darth vader's injuries are from his duels with obiwan before star wars (a new hope)" after she asks "so darth vader is in his suit due to battles throughout his life?" so even lucas had plans of them dueling more than once ...theres even a ralph mccquarrie concept art of darth vader and obiwan dueling on a volcanic throne
@@Chuck_EL Thanks for that! interestingly enough when Obi Wan slashes through Vader’s mask, it looks like the exact spot of the scar which Vader has when Luke takes his mask off in ROTJ!
Season Finale- It was mind blowing, I loved the way Obi-Wan reconnected with the force over powered Vader by miles and the strong sorrowful, emotional and tearful acting that was shown by Ewan McGregor was totally immense.
Seeing Darth Vader crack an evil smile like this was something I never expected to see. The serie had a lot of issues (Reva, etc.), but this particular scene was amazing.
Obi Wan choosing to cripple Anakin again rather than kill him is truly telling to his character and to their relationship. Even buried in that mask, he couldn't bring himself to do it. Edit: Yes i cried, if you grew up on these films and with the Clone Wars (OG and the New Clone Wars) you should have at least welled up a bit. Seeing Anakin in there was horrific.
@@jg7u lmao I know, its stupid in it's own that he could beat him again, and then he could easily have killed him but didnt after that monologue that one of them would die today
I hate the inconsistency with Reva. First she is a youngling who is almost slaughtered by Vader, then she in turn considers slaughtering Luke and could have easily done it. Now why would she even consider doing it in the first place?
Serious Question for Theory (and everyone else): Do you think that this series would have benefitted from being binged all at once rather than weekly? I feel that with some episodes (four I'm looking at you) everyone was against the series and then came back around at the end, whereas if it had been consumed all at once there would have been less hate on things (like Reva's arc). Thoughts?
It’s important to remember Obi Wan began with a more aggressive lightsaber form 4 Ataru, the form of Qui Gon. Later he would become the master of the more defensive natured form 3 Soresu but he still had the capacity to utilize both as with this duel.
"Only a Master of evil Darth." It ties in so perfectly even if there are still some continuity errors here and there but honestly I don't care. It came full circle for me this episode even if it did stagger quite a bit to get here.
The half Vader/Anakin reveal was perfect, pretty much all I wanted from the series and the voice transition with saber glare so well done. I'd kind of wanted a de-helmeted Vader fighting Obi Wan but this was far more canon-consistent I think.
I do like how they tie up the, "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master" as that line can now refer to their meetings during this show. Of course we can also link the "Only a Master of evil Darth" with Kenobi calling Vader "Darth" as he leaves. Despite the flaws this show had, and there were a few, I couldn't help but act like a giddy school girl when Vader and Kenobi were fighting, as well as seeing Qui-Gon. Although, I was under the impression that Qui-Gon never fully completed his training and only his voice could be heard. But hey, maybe he trained as a ghost? According to the sequels, ghosts can use the force, touch crap and summon lightning like freakin' Zeus so who knows.
Didn't Yoda and Qui Gon learn/perfect their force ghost abilities when yoda went back to Dagobah the first time on "The Clone Wars" show? I may be wrong but I believe that's how it happened
I think she’s talking about force ghosts actually holding something (the lightsaber) in the sequels which means they can interact with the world a lot more than simply walking and sitting like they did in the originals
@@CarelessVagabond No, I believe Qui-Gon taught Yoda how to become a force ghost, but the reason we only heard his voice and never saw him was because of his unfinished training or something. The only time we've ever seen Qui-Gon's ghost is when he appeared on Mortis.
This last episode was amazing. I want more of the two of them, series wasn’t perfect but it transported back to a time in my life that I loved. I’m here for it!
I also like this scene because he's taking power and fear away from him by simply calling him Darth rather than Vader and he says it to diminish him to just some other pathetic sith lord rather than Anakin because Anakin is, for all intents and purposes besides the small flickers of compassion we occasionally see, such as with Vader accepting Obi-Wan's apology, dead. He's being reductive. He is no more than a Dark Lord of the Sith. Farewell indeed, Darth.
This episode was beautiful, and really tied everything together even if making some minor changes overall to the canon. I liked how Vader telling Obi-Wan that he killed Anakin mirrored what Obi-Wan told Luke about Vader betraying and murdering his father, from a certain point of view. I hope we get to see Obi-Wans journey same as Yoda and Qui-gon
I've not been so moved by Star Wars in a long time. This was an amazing finale. That duel? So intense! When the helmet was broken, and they saw each other for the first time since Mustufar - wow! Ewan acted the heck out of that scene! I was choking back tears. I personally feel this series would have benefitted from being released all at once, rather than weekly. It feels like it would've had a better flow, especially in the final two episodes. I know many fans didn't like the series, but overall I did. Yes, it had its issues, but I still enjoyed it. 7.5 out of 10 for the series as a whole. Season 2? Or a Vader series? I'd be interested!
Same! The last time I personally felt anything remotely like it was when I got goosebumps when cloaked Luke was effortlessly, in a transcendental god-like way, making his way up to the control deck on the imperial light cruiser in Mandalorian S2.
Wouldn't it be cool if they made a Vader series or a Season two Following Vader to contrast Obi-Wans growth, but instead we see Anakin fall more into demise.
I liked it, I just disliked that 50% of the show felt like filler. This is some of the only Obi-wan & Vader live action we will get in this time period & they barley show enough. I’d agree with a 7 out of 10.
10:08 I’m sure someone has already said this, maybe you say it later in the video but it’s something I noticed while watching the show and I really liked. In Return of the Jedi when Luke takes off Vader’s helmet we see a scar on top of Vader’s head that looks like it could have been done by a lightsaber. Well in Kenobi, during this fight where Kenobi cuts through Vader’s mask we actually see how he gets that scar. Just one more scar on Vader’s body courtesy of Kenobi. So now when I watch Return of the Jedi and I see this scene I know how he got that scar. I thought it was real cool how the director incorporated that little detail into the show. Too bad she missed Anakin’s scar though when he was killing younglings lol
Hate to say it, but I think that scar was already there prior to to this. It looks largely "healed" - fresh lightsaber wounds sort of glow because they're freshly cauterized.
I honestly cried 5 separate times and maybe more. Beautiful story telling in my eyes; being 28 I still remember watching the prequels in theatres and growing up loving them all. This feels like so much fan-satisfaction, but in my opinion it was done absolutely perfectly in this last episode. I loved the way the light from Obi-Wan's saber ALMOST made it look like Anakin's eyes had turned slightly-less-Sith... but, no. Vader remained, the red of his saber overshadowing the light of the blue, just as he confirms he killed Anakin; ultimately giving Obi-Wan some sense of closure and confirmation that, no - he did not kill Anakin - the Dark Side and Vader did. The Jedi may have failed him from the beginning, but in this moment of hindsight he was blinded by the hatred of Vader, taking ownership of his own Dark-demise. Incredible. Edit: beautiful storytelling between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader for what we haven't had on the big screen, in comparison to all the bs we've had for the last few years up there, namely, mostly, the last 3 main Star Wars films. Why are they even canonical? This is far better than that imo; last I checked I'm allowed my own opinions and emotions and can relate to things in my own way and cry about things when I want to eh, it feels good sometimes to let yourself connect your inner child to stories you used to chat with your mates about having, thinking you'd never have anything close aside from animated series etc'. Y'know, maybe enjoy things a little!
@@crow_g1639 I didn't say we hadn't seen it or it was anything new, I'm just appreciating what the childhood me always wanted to get, or at least all that I can appreciate it. Makes me feel better deciding how I feel about it, y'know since they're my emotions and all, not yours. I fell into no trap, I allowed myself to enjoy something, ya judgemental lil sourpuss, bless up a bit
@@NamelessViking01 edit: my bad - the non-verbal storytelling and Ewan's face does it for me; he reminds me of my dad in many, many ways and the story with Anakin has always been something that we went to watch in the cinema. I've craved these timelines/ stories in live action for over a decade, and it's arrived, so I'm appreciating it at a time where I'm just letting myself be real with my emotions and nostalgia. Being fully open and vulnerably honest here, but heck y'know, why not? I love acting and music and felt the score in this was the strongest, and everything tied together, as well as it could've at least imo
I cried when Obi-Wan was talking to Anakin/Vader after his mask was destroyed. The acting was amazing and Hayden did such a fantastic job. I hope we get to see more of him and Ewan. This show was fantastic.
Man...if only the entire season was as solid as episodes 5 and 6. This was a really solid ending, topped off with a Qui Gon appearance and a "Hello there" to boot.
I don’t understand why everyone hates the other episodes so much, sure there were issues but overall I thought it was great apart from the first 2 episodes which were slow and showcased unnecessary scenes. However, it was still enjoyable for me and provided us with the context of where Obi wan was at, at the time
@@conorneary01 I think these two last episodes are prime examples of why people shouldn't jump to conclusions too early. And yeah, the earlier episodes could certainly have been executed better for sure. But overall i felt satisfied.
Vader was conflicted as soon as Kenobi left the ship full of people. He was all in his feelings and I feel like he didn’t truly wanna kill Kenobi. He even refers to him as master. Vader was back and forth with the light and dark side when his mask cut in half. Their dialogue was brilliant. And to confirm my thoughts, the emperor alludes to Vader that he wasn’t at full power because of his former master in Kenobi. Fantastic duel and series!!!
@@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz yeah, I mean it’s basically confirmed in the show. Palpatine says his feelings for his old master weaken him. So I think moving forward Vader is about to get so much stronger
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Beautiful way to end the show.
Thank you to all of you who showed up to all the watch parties and keep adding to this beautiful community.
What did you think of this episode? Of this show as a whole? Will we get season 2? Do you want that?
See you in the next video, and may the force be with you, always.
I do and don't want season 2
How did qui gon appear when he didn’t finish his training? He could only appear in voice?
Nah definitely not if you put the Vader nostalgia aside this show was complete dog shit
Don't really care for a season 2 don't really care about the Reva story and Rebels and a New Hope are already fine
This show is dog poop, but I mean! The end has me swelling up
I love how vader says I killed anakin then 10 years later Obi-Wan tells Luke that vader killed his father. Perfection
I wanted to like this post twice, it just feels so damn right! :D
@@dennis_chemist8120 thank you
haha! i didnt catch that! thats awesome :D
It is like poetry, it rhymes
What he said was true; From a certain point of view!
I think there's more to the Qui-Gon scene. Although maybe I'm overthinking it. But it ties into something Dave Filoni said in regards to Episode 1. Qui-Gon wasn't like the current Jedi, he embraced love and relationships in regards to being a Jedi, not isolation. He was to be a father figure to Anakin, not a brother as Obi-Wan was. Anakin's turn to the dark side was the failure of the Jedi. The forbidden relationship with Padme, the isolation from his family which led to the death of his mother. Unnecessary rules which serve no benefit which only caused more conflict and resentment. The methods of the Jedi during that period were incompatible with the core values of the Jedi and Qui-Gon knew this. This is why he was never on the council and rejected it.
So when Obiwan is buried under the rocks, what gives him strength? The bonds he has formed with others and his relationship with them. That is the true power of the light side of the force and it's something the Jedi have neglected. When Obi-Wan realizes this, it is a revelation and he is now on the same level of understanding as Qui-Gon, that is why he is "ready to see him" now. If you think about every victory in the Star Wars series it is the attachments with others which serves as the driving force. Vader was ultimately saved by the very thing the Jedi Code forbids.
This even follows into the sequels (oh no). Luke ultimately tries to recreate the old methods of training with his Jedi Temple, and yet again ends in destruction. Even Yoda knows the Jedi got it wrong in destroying the Jedi texts. The force is not bureaucratic. Ultimately I'd like to the think the end game would be a new Jedi order that uses attachment as a strength to unlock the true potential of the Jedi.
Anyway, just some thoughts. Carry on.
Absolutely love this interpretation. Thank you for sharing
beautifully well said
And here I was disappointed that Qui Gons appearance was wasted. Thanks for the context.
amazingly said brother
Thank you for sharing this, it was a good read.
I love how Hayden still has that rage filled tone in his voice like he did in ROTS. To me the circle is truly complete now that Hayden has been seen without the helmet it really brings to life the torment, hatred, pain, and sadness of Anakin and how much of a monster Vader really is underneath the helmet
100% agree, Hayden’s acting was brilliant in that scene along with Ewan’s. Perfection
It finally makes hayden and darth vader look like the same person
The gap between hayden and the originals with james earl jones' voice was ridiculous and made it really hard to accept them as canon to each other
Now with this, its fixed
The last battle scene between Vader and kenobi was the only good battle scene in all these live action star war shows
why you refer to Episode III as ROTS.. next time..just write III. everbody knows it's called (R)evenge (O)f (T)he (S)ith - but writing it as ROTS..gahdamn man have some self respect
@@mrdr1ggy cringe
“I am what remains” is possibly the most painful line in this. It implies that the conflict was always there, and Vader was always present in some way.
& anytime a glimpse of anakin tries to return , vader like “ stay dead”
I agree. There are moments in Anakin's life where he will engage (race scene) with anger, as does Leia. Demonstrating that good-evil is in all. The force merely amplifies and/or focuses said emotions.
@@phantomsith5168 That's because the "Vader side" knows that he had to use the rage in order to stay alive. It's what's keeping him in balance. If he lets the light overcome him, Sidious knows that he will be lost and will just kill him off.
But the conflict was always there, and still is all the way through Return of the Jedi. It's this conflict within that ends up saving Anakin and allows him to save his own son from the Emperor.
nah..it's just horrible scrips
That "I will do what I must" sent chills through my whole body, that fight was in my imagination for years and it finally happened, thank you Hayden and Ewan
Same, I loved it. "He said the thing" was my reaction lol
And then he proceeds to don't do what he musts
Lol, apparently all he must do is set him free again, because that went well the first time. Now he can head back out and kill innocents, growing the empire. Nice.
@@tomasbedoya2901 Remember in the last episode when Obi-Wan was teaching Anakin about mercy?
@@lukesmale24 Remember in ROTS how Obi Wan left Anakin to die burning in a pit of lava? Remember in ROTJ when Obi Wan tries to persuade Luke to kill his father because there's no other way? Remember that? Bullshit is what I say, there's no reason for Obi Wan not to end him then and there
I feel like Obi-Wan saying “one of us must die” actually makes sense because later on he says “then my friend is truly dead”, because in that moment Anakin is dead to Obi-Wan, hence why he calls him “Darth” as he leaves. So neither of them actually die, but symbolically one does.
Great thought bro
I also love that that ties into a new hope. Ben/obiwan calls Darth Vader “Darth” multiple times.
I like that thought! I took it as a nod to when Luke says "Then my father is truly dead" in EP 6 before Vader takes him to the Emperor
Symbolically I would say Obi Wan is fully reborn into Ben when he escapes from all those rocks as well
On first viewing I had trouble with Obi-wan showing more mercy for a full blown Sith than for his padawan that he lets burn alive on Mustafar and (presumably) die. Why would he let Vader go and carry on with his murderous projects ? He is after all the Empire's top asset and much suffering could be avoided by ending him right there. Kenobi was a pretty ruthless general during the Clone wars, and didn't have trouble killing Grievous and Darth Maul before that.
But on second viewing I have to acknowledge that it makes sense in the narrative arc of this show, with Obi-wan at first crushed by negative emotions such as guilt, fear, remorse, etc and while under the rocks thrown by Vader, his mind switches to focus on Leia and Luke and that brings him back to Light.
And then of course the flashback duel in the previous episode is precisely centered on the concept of mercy, with Obi-wan lecturing Anakin, so his behavior is aligned with what he preached then. And the theme of mercy comes once more when discussing with Reva, saying to her that it was not a weakness to have spared Luke, quite the contrary and that they were now both free (of their negative emotions I guess).
So I'm sort of 90% convinced that it kinda makes sense to spare Darth Vader for him at this point in their story at least...
The mix of Hayden/James voices are so well done. Vader's voice changing back and forth is badass and heartbreaking at the same time
You still have the best avatar picture and it gets me every time! HA!
Agreed 100% - that was so powerful to have the sounds of both alternating, representing Vader's/Anakin's inner conflict in that moment
It was haunting
Obi-wan “He is more machine now than man , twisted & evil”
@@ErwalDeeas same
The final episode was beautiful. The duel between Obi-Wan and Vader and the conversation later brought me to tears. The change of light on Anakin/Vader’s face, being able to hear Anakin again was just superb. I felt that the threads were closed nicely at the end of the episode linking it with the story ahead. Obi-wan grew out of the guilt and sorrow we saw him in the beginning of the series and he was back to his old self before Mustafar. Cherry on top, Qui-Gon Jin as the force ghost, finally. It was just great to see these characters and actors on screen again.
Also Ewan knocked it out of the park with his performance, like when he sees "Anakin" after he cuts thro the mask and gets emotional was soooo good. Can really see and feel his pain and hurt, loved it 10/10
He was a complete bad ass in this episode, especially when he went ham and smashed up vaders control panel with his saber hilt. This dual was way better than the episode 3 show down for me. He bettered skywalker/Vader again. The ultimate kick in the ballz for Vader is that when he does in fact win, (on the Death Star) it’s an actual gimme, Obiwan let’s him win. I love the way he psychological mind fucks him. The wry little smile he gives before allowing Vader to strike him down. He knows he’s got the better of him again.
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Really parallels Ashoka when she was fighting Vader too. She said his name as well when she cut off part of his mask.
I have completely given up trying to explain logic, reason and common sense to people who give this show a 10/10. It's like good writing and directing is no longer something recognizable. I truly sometimes forget how "basic" Star Wars fans can be. They'd rather have the facts/story/details right over a cogent story even though this episode was full of wtf why moments. Go back to making movies Disney these shows are garbage
@@kingwein89 you just don’t understand the Star Wars story and fine not a 10/10 literally but it met all my needs and expectations that I was wanting to see from a Star Wars show especially episode 10. Not the show as a whole.
Vader’s yelling at the end indicates that he’s almost obsessed or clinging to some unhealthy notion of Obiwan. Like a great mixture of anguish, anger, hate, and longing. Almost like a desperation for help but the confusion to ask for it. The humanity that they give him and the split mask is some of the most meaningful portrayal I’ve seen Vader in. Finally bridged the connection for me as I’d always seen too much of a separation before
Like Obi Wan told Anakin in the flashback, his need to prove himself will be his undoing. Vader/Anakin's obsession to best Kenobi ruined him again.
I personally believe it was anakin screaming obi wan to put his out of his mystery for a brief few seconds
Anyone feel like the “I’m not your failure Obi Wan… you didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker… I did” gave Obi enough closure and ability to let go of his “hurt” to see Qui Gon? Looking back, it’s almost like Anakins last gift to Obi Wan.
ABSOLUTELY! It's pretty much a foreshadowing of Vader's personal conservation with Luke in Return Of The Jedi: He respects Obi Wan's intent, and actually gives him a bit of reassurance.
This Is a good take on it
It made me think of how Ben tells Luke that Vader killed his father. Almost like Anakin knew, and wanted Obi Wan to tell his children his father was killed by a monster and not became the monster
@@MiniMikesCustom yes and in that instance it’s anakin talking you can’t see his sith eyes but when he said I killed him you see Vader just showing that obi wan didn’t turn anakin to this it was the dark side
I stopped crying and you made me cry again
I always wondered how Vader got that huge cut scar or dent on his head visible when he took his helmet off to see Luke. I am impressed how they implemented it in the fight scene between Vader and Kenobi.
Didn’t even realize this!! Good eye
The thing is this happened in rebels, ahsoka has this very scene with vader, Lucasfilm literally stole from themselves lol.
In this episode of Kenobi, there is no apparent wounding of that area as far as I can tell. Looks like all helmet -- ???
That scar was in the behind the scenes pictures of Revenge of the Sith. Theory actually did a video on it, but it was not given to Vader here, maybe reopened it, or expanded it making it worse, but it has been there since ep3.
@@gilesm5716 It wasn’t shown in the actual film in episode 3 so perhaps they used this episode of Obi wan to tie in the origin of the scar ?
Things I really liked about this episode:
-Ewan & Hayden, they were so great
-Anakin/Vader's voice blending--this shows the voice Hayden developed to sync up with James Earl Jones' performance
-Owen & Beru got a chance to shine, we see their genuine love & guardianship for Luke
-Qui-Gon Jin, of course
-Palpatine the Great, calling out Vader's weakness like a true master, pushing him to move beyond Kenobi
-Cry Theory returns--seriously man, don't ever change. :)
All of those for sure, but honorable mention to the scene where Obi-Wan described Leia's parents without saying their names, with her theme and the Force theme running in the background. That scene really got me.
Oh and Leia saying "Will i ever see you again?", basically *identically* to Jake Lloyds Anakin.
YES THE VOICE BLEND. That gave me chills. This was such a legendary performance by these men. James Earl Jones must be kept alive at all costs.
Your so right! Don’t ever change theory! We love you!
i like reva..
Well if we put him in carbonite and just thaw him out for Vader voice overs we can probably hold on to him for some time. That said he’s an elderly gentleman now at 91 years of age, he may not survive the freezing process??
Seeing Vaders face through the mask for the first time in live action and hearing his voice under the mask say "You didn't kill Anakin, I did" honestly gave me true fear chills down my spine and conveyd such strong emotion. It was a great ending.
He kinda reminds me of Adolf Hitler in Downfall. He's beaten and he knows it. All he has left are words and bluster.
I have no idea what show you were watching. The fact that Reva got stabbed by a lightsaber not once, but twice, and still survived was just so pathetic. And she miraculously just showed up on Tatooine magically! What a lame and pathetic show with no real character development. You guys are just the lowest denominator consumers that Disney wanted.
Obi-Wan's "Then my friend is truly dead" is a parallel to Luke's quote in ROTJ: "Then my father is truly dead." With that retcon, we can say that Vader remembered what Obi-Wan said and that's why he was so affected by Luke's words in that beautiful ROTJ scene.
Man, this series added SO MUCH to the OT. I'm going to watch it all over again! Wow! I can't believe Disney actually made this and I can't understand why people are hating on this show. As a matter of fact, I do believe this series will grow on people.
It’s a masterclass
@@vdtzv4178 Erm, Ep5 and 6 were, the rest were not.
They nailed Ep6 in my opinion but lets not say the series is a masterclass.
@@benrawson007 yeah 1-4 were bad bad
@@benrawson007 that’s how tv series work. First episodes build up the characters and tend to be less interesting, then the climax comes to the last 1-2 episodes. The whole clone wars was like that and really any tv show works the same.
Obi Wan apologizing to Anakin had me in tears ... that was big... owning up to his own mistakes, even though Anakin brought so much of it on himself. And Anakin almost ... absolving Obi Wan? That was so unexpected. It sounded like a cry for help, and at the same time he was boasting that he killed his own self to become Vader.
Well also palatine even said “ perhaps your feelings for your old master has left you weakened “ so obviously he felt something for obi wan in this moment.
Maybe admitting he f,d up n deservedly relishes the pain n qnguish.
I think Vader says that he killed Anakin because he feels too angry and insecure to accept that Obi-Wan has hurt him.
@@kongspeaks4778 That's also very valid.... or even too insecure or angry to accept what Anakin could have been .. it's too late to turn back now, so he may as well commit to everything terrible he's already done
Hearing Vader and Anakin's voice distort and breakup together, weaving in and out of eachother.... That was tragically beautiful
This. Loved that touch so much.
Garbage fan service. Just like No Way Home. It’s a copy paste orgy in this show
It was such a good paralel to Twilight of the Apprentice. Instantly got that vibe when Obi-Wan started beating Vader. You know the saying. "It's like poetry, it rhymes"
@@TheArrowedKnee it’s not a parallel or poetry if it’s copy and paste
@@BrezzyBoi33 how’s it copy and paste? The emotions/circumstances/conversations between Vader/Kenobi and Vader/Ahsoka are literally completely different apart from the ‘then you will die’ line. Plus, Star Wars has always been about callbacks to other great scenes.
I did really like the symmetry in the dialoge between Kenobi and Vader. Like "Then you will die" vs "you will try" in Episode III and also the line "Then my friend is truly dead" vs "Then my father is truly dead" as Luke said in Episode VI. It did feel a bit like George Lukas said: It rhymes.
Vader’s voice changing back and forth to Anakin and Vader gave me chills. Leia saying “will I ever see you again?” Just like Anakin to his mom brought me to tears. Best finally in a long time
I got really strong "Twilight of the Apprentice" vibes from that whole scene, i would be very, very surprised if they had not taken heavy inspiration from it. But it was incredibly well done and got to me for sure
My favorite little piece is the "Goodbye, Darth." It is the first time he acknowledges Anakin is gone - and comes off as a bit of a sly insult. It also ties in nicely with how he refers to Vader in a new hope (only a master of evil darth). I don't think he ever uses his sith name directly to Vaders face.
Only a master of evil Darth
it didn’t feel like an insult to me but i loved that he called him that here to tie it in to A New Hope!
It was a nice touch, but he should not have just left Darth Vader to live and continue terrorizing the universe. What was he thinking!?
@Jack Harper
This is very poignant.
If he kills. 'Darth' , he becomes a murderer.
Obi-Wan has just rediscovered his Jedi abilities. To murder Darth,, would throw out Obi-Wan's ,'development'..
I think Obi Wan's line "Then my friend is truly dead" adds some more emotional weight to when Luke tells Vader "Then my Father is truly dead" in ROTJ - perhaps this sparks a memory for Vader at that moment which may have made him dwell on his long lost friendship with Obi Wan and hence the man he was before he became Darth Vader, there may have also been an element of regret to having killed his former master and 'brother'. I would like to think that this all aided in his transition to the light side.
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Great input bro
I feel like "Then my brother is truly dead" would have fit better but "friend" works fine.
Parts of that brought me to tears. I know the series wasn’t perfect but I loved it. 10 years ago we thought we’d never see the actors do these characters again. This is a blessing.
I agree, exactly how I feel. I loved it
can we all must appreciate this positivity instead of embracing the toxicity and ciritcism
@@larrythecableman6963 sure you're not just looking in the mirror?
@@badnoodlez Not if you have multiple people all seeing the same thing.
And that is a deeply flawed show that has some admittedly cool scenes but it's not enough to cover up the plot holes it creates or the contrivances that are needed to keep the show going.
But if all you're looking for is a dumb action show to turn your brain off to, it serves it's purpose.
@@Lobsterwithinternet it’s always super nerdy Star Wars fans lol nobody cares bro
The bit that broke me was when Owen turned to Kenobi and said "do you want to meet him?"
10 years he waited to meet the boy he has pretty much given his life up to watch over.
Equally emotional Leia calling him Obi Wan driving home the fact that she will probably never see him again.
I think it also give weight to just how ecstatic she when she finds out he is on the death star during the rescue mission in ANH
I chokes up a little bit too. Owen was very, very well portrayed. Honestly one of my favorite characters in the show. He's such a badass mofo in this.
I tried to find the part where she’s ecstatic, she doesn’t really show any emotion to him dying or being there
yes she does. it's when Luke says he is here with Ben Kenobi and Leia practically shouts "Ben Kenobi!!! Where is he???"
Oh yeah, he definitely gave up his life to guarding him. That's why he cut himself off from the force and then jumped at the opportunity to go save leia who is obviously more important than Luke, instead of letting Baile and his fucking planet sized resouces to find his "daughter"
@@ChiefCrewin and then left Luke again to go train lol
You missed an important detail; after Obi-Wan called him «Darth» when he left, it suddenly makes sense why Obi-Wan calls him «Darth» and not «Anakin» in A New Hope. I have always found it stupid that he called him «Darth», and Obi-Wan would never do that. Until now.
The whole Darth thing never bothered me... but the fact that Kenobi had the chance to kill Vader but just didn't is ridiculous, especially when he tries to gaslight Luke into killing him years later.
@@medalgear654 I think people are really missing something with the meaning behind Obi sparing Vader/Anakin. If you analyse it you will know the meaning and purpose of it.
ive always believed obi wan was calling vader by his title, darth. like how someones title can be sir (name), calling someone “sir” still denotes the title
@@strappymasksalesman2819 yea ina mocking way!
@@astroamp1686 then explain the meaning behind Obi-Wan leaving the most dangerous man alive to wreak more havoc across the universe and then lying to Luke and then forcing him to kill Vader when he had the perfect opportunity to do so?
"Only a master of evil, Darth." This line has forever changed for me from kinda corny to intense pain. Loved this show
"Only master of getting caught, Darth."
Master of catching these hands lol
@@noahcook3771 💀💀💀
Goodbye, Darth
I think “Goodbye…Darth” is my favorite part of this show. It gives all the context we need why Obi-Wan called Vader “Darth” on the Death Star. I never thought of it as corny, but I was always uncomfortable with the inconsistency because of how the saga progressed, so I was thankful for this tied up loose end. While I agree that “intense pain” is a big part of it, I also think pity is involved. To call him “Darth” instead of “Vader” is a sort of passive aggressive way of not taking him seriously, as if to say “Think of what you could have been, yet you’ve chosen to be this.”
“I’m sorry anakin” broke me. It’s all the closure I’ve felt I needed for years. To see obi-wan kinda let go of all the pain of losing anakin to finally realize there’s more to his journey than ptsd when he pushed the rocks out was awesome. I think that was moment he finally “forgave” himself for what happened.
Wut did I just read 😭😭😭 go outside bro, get some fresh air 😂😂😂
@@mizaqenyad4269 Get out bro, let the man enjoy what he likes
@@mizaqenyad4269 y r u here
It almost seemed that Anakin was giving him the closure he needed. It was Anakin, not Vader that told Obi-Wan that he killed Anakin.
@@mizaqenyad4269 ahh the guy with the typical terrorist name decides to speak
"I am what remains." breaks me every time I rewatch this episode...the perfect combination of Hayden's voice mixed with Vaders just perfect...You can hear the emotion in Anakin's half followed with the ruthless Vader tone ugh..
The voice shifting between Vader and Anakin was an absolute GIFT for me.
Also Vader lost cause he had some feelings in his way, and Obi spared cause of the deep feelings and friendship he had
Totally agree
@@StudentTrader basically they spared each other’s by their feelings
Did he lose though? He was still standing and Obi Wan decided to just walk away. Did he spare him because of that? He did say his friend is truly dead and called him Darth. Idk
Lmao you’ve posted this same comment on multiple videos
Totally agree
Seeing Qui-Gon really hit me in the feels as it did you, perhaps for different reasons. I was in my mid 20's when TPM came out. It was also the last time I ever got to see a movie with my father. The parallels of the whole Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan relationship, I could relate to later in life.
This new films and series is all about hitting the FEELINGS , and without offending you but using you as example, this serie was TOTAL SHIT, uncannon as fuck . Just a pointless feelings grabbing for weak people . Dogshit Disney as always
Beautiful story, i’m happy you enjoyed the finale, star wars forever!
@@Eduardo-fe9zx this doesn't follow Canon. Disney ruined star wars forever
So true
Happy you got to see Qui Gon again
The way that Ewan perfectly portrays the pain and hurt seeing Anakin under the helmet was immaculate acting, not to mention Haydens amazing performance of pain and anger in just his voice and facial expressions. Absolutely amazing scene that I never thought I would see 💯❤️.
Both actors performances were superb and for me the best thing about the show. Things like Vader being unable to sense Obi Wan was alive and well a few feet away, turning away with a job done mentality took me out of the show abit I might of blurted out BS while watching that. Would of liked a little more Obi Wan in my Obi Wan show.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate firstly how well casted Vivien is for the role of Leia, and secondly appreciate how well she acted. Roles of young kids are so hard to do right and for me not to be annoyed with, but I enjoyed her as Leia very much!
She totally nailed the sass- almost felt like she was talking with Solo or Tarkin whenever she’d back talk Obi Wan or Imperials.
Really? I know she’s just a kid but it was not believable at all.
@@iimdirtydan it was amazing dude.
Totally agree! I think her and Ewan scenes together were the best part of the show (minus the chase)! I enjoyed it but for some reason the rest of the series just feels a bit off, i dont know why. Maybe it’s purely because it’s not Lucas’ Star Wars anymore
You can't be serious.
Dude hearing Vader talk with his battle damaged helmet really creeped me out. It sounded like he was struggling to talk. It looked like he was feeling an extreme amount of pain for every word he says without his mask on. Hayden Christensen really did a great job in this scene. Also it was really nice to see Liam Neeson again 😎👍🏼. Thanks for the video breakdown theory!
Vader with the broken helmet was the best part of this episode... I wish they'd shown a bit more of him recuperating & processing rather than cutting to the scene with Palpatine where he already has a shiny new helmet.
my first thought was that he sounded like bane
@@callmetz7967 honestly my first thought is that he sounds like me when I have a terrible cold with strep throat. And I gobble down a whole bucket of Texas bluebell ice cream just to cool it down lol 😆
@@robws007 that would be cool but it wouldn’t really make sense because every minute he doesn’t have his helmet fully on, can lead to death for him. Especially with the toxic air on that rock planet(well it’s toxic for Vader not Kenobi)
You are right. But Vader after mustifar always struggled to talk. The suit helped analyse his words
9:59 That makes perfect sense! Maybe the cuts (right for Ahsoka and left for Obi-Wan) were meant to symbolize how the two people closest to Anakin (besides Padme, of course), managed to break through to Anakin, but it wasn’t enough to redeem him.
But Luke was able to (metaphorically) break Vader’s mask completely and bring Anakin back to the light.
Quite poetic and fitting
Padmé helped remove his helmet through their son... Luke
Third times a charm
I just realized that Vader's famous huge scar on the top-left of his head is Obi-Wan slashing his mask
"I killed him" makes the conversation between Luke and Obiwan (Return of Jedi) make more sense.
Luke: "you told me Vader killed my father"
Obiwan: "what I told you was true, from a certain point of view".
Great observation!
This is when he’s on Yavin right the Ewok planet?
@@Manudefender No. On Dagobaah before Luke leaves to join the Rebellion before the Battle of Endor.
@@Manudefender no yavin is the wampa planet you’re thinking of. The things jabba keeps in the dungeon.
Same aha moment I had back in ‘83
I will admit I was initially hesitant with the “you can’t tell anyone” as resolving the issue of canon, but the more I sit with it, the more it works for me. They established a great connection between Obi-Wan and Luke in the OT but this story gave us the idea that Leia was important too. “There is another”, as Yoda said. And while it isn’t maybe the best or most logical way to interpret the events of A New Hope, the “you can’t tell anyone or it will endanger us both” shows they at least cared to make this fit in with canon, and they chose to make this fun story instead of taking the logical approach and giving the audience verbatim what they think they will get at the expense of probably a less fun 6 episodes.
I agree
The part of that scene where Obi-Wan tells Leia of the traits she inherited from her parents really sticks out. Obi-Wan was talking about Anakin and Padme, of course Leia thought he meant Bail and his wife. Sadly, her and Luke never got to know they’re real parents. If they did later on, it’s only all the more tragic.
When I saw Obi-Wan cut off the mask, I said to myself, “This is the sound design opportunity of a lifetime. Please get it right!” And they killed it. Despite any qualms I have with the show, the way they mixed Hayden Christian and James Earl Jones’s voices together was absolutely menacing. I will definitely be rewatching for that moment alone.
It would have been more impressive if Rebels hadn't done it first (albeit with animation and Matt Lanter's voice). For me it was more like a powerful callback, and completion of a circle - first time (later in the timeline) he faced his former apprentice, second time (earlier in the timeline) he faced his former master.
Not exactly. They are copy pasting everything from other shows for lifeless fan service. And you bots are eating it up
That was probably my favourite part of the episode.
@@trayvonandrews6278 I mean rebels did do the half mask first but like it’s common sense lol of course there gonna show him half mask half face no one was surprised by it
@@trayvonandrews6278 lifeless fan? What? You’re a « better » fan?😂 picking some scenes from other moments in the star wars universe was sick! If you disliked it, i’m sorry for you. You must be a very negative person.
I loved the Alec Guinness transitions how after the fight he calls him “Darth” like he does in a new hope now he knows anakin is consumed and it’s made so many lines of dialogue make more sense from both a new hope and return of the Jedi before some felt a bit jagged with age after the prequels came out but this show has perfectly blended the dialogue with the newer ideas
Agreed- I thought the transitions were a nice way to smooth the transitions between films. Also, from an effects-level, they did the same with the merging of the robotic Vader voice with Anakin's voice, which I thought was eerily magnificent. Puts a nice auditory transition for all the "but he says 'Mah-ster' in the original films vs Anakin saying 'master'" people.
Bro, Hayden’s smile he did when he said, “I did,” was actually so creepy. I love that he actually made it seem like Vader was a different person from Anakin. It was like he was possessed or something.
The way Vader was looking upward with his eyes is the same way Anakin looked up at Palpating when he was knighted Darth Vader,looking up, being seduced by the dark side.
Fr dude, the smile creeped me out bro 😳
for a moment i thought palpatine was talking through him. well, he kinda was...
That's what the Dark Side does to you. It changes you, almost completely. It's similar to how it changed Ben Solo into Kylo Ren, and vice versa. Notice how different Ben Solo was compared to Kylo Ren. His mannerisms, his humor, he even looked healthier when he reverted back to Ben, and he fought with a style very similar to Anakins. Instead of the brute force style of Kylo Ren which was also like Vaders.
He wasn’t necessarily smiling, it’s just looked like that with the cut mask
The final scene between Obi Wan and Vader brought me to tears. I felt like i could feel every bit of Anakin’s and Obi Wan’s pain. Such a great scene
I think that Kenobi adopting Qui-Gon's stance in his final fight against Maul was more of a bait than anything. You see a look of realization on Maul's face after Obi-Wan switches stances. And then, once the fight begins, Maul attempts to counter the stance/form in the same way he did so with Qui-Gon, using the hilt to stun him. This is the point where Obi-Wan's bait-out succeeds. He uses Maul's pride to bait him into killing the apprentice the way he did the master, making him incredibly predictable to Obi-Wan, who needs only one precise strike to win. Obi-Wan won that fight before it even began.
I posted the same thing, but you beat me to it by a couple hours. You also said it better than I did.
Vader used the same stance during the finale. Watch the fight back again
Yeah this is exactly how Sam Witwer himself describes the dual too
@@geenickelhead8118 Great minds! It's my favorite lightsaber duel to this day. To me it emphasizes what makes old Ben such a formidable opponent. You might be younger, stronger, and faster, but his surgical skill and unparalleled experience make him better. At this point there's nothing his opponents have seen/done that he isn't already prepared for. F#@$ing love it.
@korrok Oh yeah there was definitely some of that as well. A final nod towards his master, who is always with him, always watching. Wordlessly expressing to his master that, while he was, finally, to avenge his death, it would be from a place of calm, controlled mercy, as upposed to the brushless and rage with which he'd approached Maul during their first battle. I think it also symbolized how things have changed - Obi Wan was not able to protect Qui-Gon (nor Anakin), but now, at the end, he would fulfill his master's final wish. He would protect the boy.
I feel that every Jedi had their “force unleashed moment” and I feel after Kenobi gets out the rubble he finds his purpose in the galaxy and had his force unleashed moment
And he finally gets closure and to heal after his encounter and talk with Anakin /Vader
Ya and he got these new found force powers by..... thinking of leia??... wierd... dumb...
@@SolareofAstora it's not a new found power. He used that all the time in the war.
@@blksnaredrumer not trying to bring ya down. Maybe we r talking about 2 different things. Ive just never seen kenobi pick up 40 boulders and hurl them at his opponent like he picked the mage class in elden ring.
I love how they finally gave Vader the high ground… even if it didn’t last long lol
Feel exactly the same way seeing Qui Gon, the prequel callbacks and references made me feel like a kid again.
I think it’s important you mentioned adapting during these new Star Wars projects. Even if there are things we dislike, finding the enjoyment and the scenes that connect with us can still be meaningful.
There was a lot of beautiful scenes in this episode. Seeing Vaders mask get shredded with Hayden’s face showing was an emotional moment for sure. I didn’t realize his eyes turned from blue to sith but that makes the scene even better.
I'm just going to come out and say it: Ewan McGregor is always a win. He nailed it in this series, and it's obvious from his interviews how much this character means to him. It's been a joy to see him back as Obi-Wan.
Agreed, have to say the same about Hayden Christensen as well. Both Hayden & Ewan understand their characters and have so much chemistry together (especially the Finale encounter scene)
Him and Christianson carried it, agreed. Buy I don't know if it was enough to save it from sucking 😢
@@pantoastado1264 Star Wars fans are never happy lol
@@JamesV1 I don’t understand what you mean by this? Are StarWars fans supposed to sit down and accept every pile of shit that Disney releases? Why are there people like you who have the mindset of, “oh just turn your brain off and enjoy it”? Or “Just be happy you’re getting StarWars content at all”. I can speak for a lot of fans that episodes 1-6 and the clone wars would be just fine. A lot of StarWars fans have been following and studying the franchise for 20+ years. So when Disney releases a half assed, poorly written project, (which is more common than not) of course we’re going to speak out about it. StarWars fans aren’t the only ones who do this. There’s passionate fans for everything. Sadly there’s more casual viewers than there are die hard fans, so that’s why these big corporations can get by half assing everything because they know a bulk majority will “turn their brain off and enjoy it”. Lucasfilm and Disney are run by people who do not give the first single fuck about the fans. Keep shilling for them though.
@@friendlyneighborhoodcollec5928 Most star wars fans are not even happy with George lucas when he was in control and hated him for the return of the jedi and the prequels. Doesn't even matter if another company took over star wars. Fans would hate them as well. Even bringing back George lucas wouldn't even change anything, I love star wars but the fandom has issues and extremely toxic at times with hate mail etc, I still remember when George got death threats
I love how kenobi kept calling him anakin, until now, calling him darth. In anh, ben called him that and it shows how he gave up believing anakin is in there.
Hurts my heart
Had the same thoughts. I love how they drew the line here. Makes so much more sense now.
Just why wouldn’t he kill Vader though? Calling him darth seems to show he gives up on saving Vader.
@@edwardrichtofen8530 It was not his destiny to defeat the empire and vader. In the end, it was the right choice cause luke ultimately redeemed vader.
@@renaicirculation4143 that is dumb. Never has obi wan been this “can’t due this it’s not my destiny”. He would have done it. Now obi wan is directly responsible for every action Vader does from now on. Also, totally not supported by the OT. That shows obi wan clearly wanted Vader dead but likely didn’t think he could defeat him. Otherwise, why would he try to make Luke kill Vader?
Obiwan used Qui-Gons stance against Maul to goad him into using the same attack he killed Qui-Gon with. Maul fell for it which is how Obiwan was able to dispatch him so quickly.
I love how when he says "I'm not your failure, Obi-Wan. You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker- I did.", the light shines blue onto his face, signifying Anakin's lightside breaking through to give Obi-Wan closure. Then the light's reflection turns red as 'Vader' regains control and says "The same way I will destroy you!"
It was also chilling how his emotions went from indignation, shame, pride, and then anger.
you gay
Hayden kill it whit bad acticg
It was very profound that Anakin chose to release Obi Wan from his guilt.
It was very cool how vaders voice mixed with anakin's.
Was that Anakin's intent though? Or was he trying to claim credit away from Obi-Wan?
I love how Obi-Wan called him Darth just like he did in *A New Hope* he couldn’t say Anakin until *Return of the Jedi* same with Vader saying he *killed* him and words of Obi-Wan says to Luke, “he murdered and betrayed your father”.
I glad someone mentioned this.
Hayden's "Obi-wan!" scream is more haunting and emotional, but Sam Witwer screaming "KENOBI!" is just so primal, and I still believe more iconic. Both very very good tho
Okay lmfao.
Ok
Hayden's a good actor, and by good I mean great.
I agree with you but I really prefer the "Obi-Wan"-scream
As long as it's better than "NOOOO!!!"
I love how the only way obi-wan can cope with the situation is to teach himself to believe that Anakin and Vader were 2 different people. I love how Obiwan doesn’t avoid blame in A New Hope when he said Vader was also a pupil of his like Anakin; Only that Vader turned to evil, and betrayed and killed Anakin. The sheer discrepancy between both Characters forces obi-wan to rationalize it as two individuals. His trauma and baggage are preventing him from being in a state where he isn’t constantly confronting the reality of the situation. So he constructs his own head canon essentially to help mitigate his pain. It bleeds into his training with Luke, and he justifies keeping the truth from him, as a simple difference in perspective; which with the new context of Kenobi, was a psychological state he carefully constructed to keep his mind clear of pain to be a more effective protector. Brilliant.
I'm so glad they kept the continuity of Luke not ever seeing a lightsaber, I just like how that was done. This episode was so great
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Obi has it on his belt when he for some reason talks to luke
@@humanperson3932 For all we know, it's like a collapsible baton on a police belt. We (Luke) don't know its purpose. It's a shiny object dangling from his belt, and that's just what it is. He doesn't know it's a more civilised weapon for a more civilised age.
@@PooMonkeyMan that fact that people are having to make up so many excuses for this show shows how bad it is. Just don't have it in the scene
@@humanperson3932 the fact that you’re excusing logical conclusions as “reaching” shows how much you wanted to hate this show in the first place
I love the part when obi-wan says "goodbye Darth" a call to a new hope when they meet again.
I really love how this episode depicted the relationship between master and apprentice. Thinking you have came so far and learned so much and then your master shows up and says much training you still need. Really shows the depth of the possibilities of the force.
I can’t be the only one who had tears while Obi-Wan apologized to Anakin.
I head tears of joy when Obi-wan was back and then I cried when he apologized and during Anakins suffering. It was fucking rollercoaster.
Yeah it hit me in the feels
Heart wrenching
Present
"then my friend is truly dead"
After all that happened. After all he did to Anakin and vise versa. The way Anakin/Vader looks. He's more machine then man. But Obi Wan still thought of him as his friend
The blue light flickering on Hayden's face as the distorted voice shifts between his and James Earl Jones's before going back to drowning in the red was absolutely chilling. The show was a mixed bag for sure but it gave us so much to fall in love with and it did so much right that to me it was great. Vader vs Reva and Vader vs Obi-Wan were both special
Best part you missed is when Kenobi is walking away, and he calls Anakin "Darth" for the 1st time....the same way he refers to him in a new hope and going forward....the last time He refers to him as Anakin until Luke asks him in Empire.
One thing I noticed too is that sometimes Vader would put both hands on his saber instead of using his typical one hand. It’s as if he needed a better grip knowing that Kenobi had gotten stronger.
You could feel anakins voice shine through Vader when he said “you really thought you could defeat me” “master” after tossing the boulders on obi wan
When Vader says “You didn’t fail Anakin I killed him” it reminds me of the part where obi wan says “Vader Betrayed and Murdered your father” and its a nice callback to that. Also when Luke finds our Vader is his father and obi wan says “its true from a certain point of view” makes so much more sense now
it already made sense before
“Anakin is gone, I am what remains.” That broke my heart 💔 what a beautiful season finale.
Obi wan could only destroy the left side of vaders mask
Ahsoka could only destroy the right side
Luke destroyed vaders entier mask when he took it off
I love this
Man knowing Qui-Gon was always there, always watching, is so painful. That man had so much hope for Anakin and an immense amount of love for Obi Wan. I want to hear his thoughts on the prequel saga and the way things played out.
You didn’t note it in this breakdown but I thought the parallel between the “You will die” from this to rebels was a really nice touch especially since in both duels his helmet was sliced open and both Ahsoka and Obi-Wan realized Anakin truly was dead. Just something I noticed myself and was wondering if anyone else felt the same way.
Yup, good catch. Also Obi Wan’s “I will do what I must” which he said on Mustafar
And the way his mask was sliced was slightly similar, leaping jump towards his face. A lot of great references
How could anyone NOT see it? This show is about as subtle as an Imperial Walker when it comes to fan service references, LOL.
@@Epsa_ Which would've got Kenobi killed by an even vaguely competent swordsman.
@@steeltrap3800 yeah, but Vaders panel was damaged like shit, and he’s incredibly immobile and slow by that point.
The scene between Vader/Anakin and Obi-Wan shattered me. I broke down into tears, man. Hayden’s ability to communicate hate and anger just with his eyes, even through the makeup and half of his face not being visible is absolutely incredible. The lighting of that scene switching from the blue glow of Kenobi’s lightsaber when Anakin was telling him that he isn’t Obi-Wan’s failure, to the red glow of Vaders lightsaber when VADER took over and said he killed Anakin, just like he’ll destroy Obi-Wan was unbelievable. Not to mention Hayden’s absolutely SEAMLESS transitions back and forth from how Anakin speaks to how Vader speaks was phenomenal, and truly showed his acting skills. His SCREAMING of Obi-Wan’s name sent a chill down my spine. And of course, Ewan’s ability to communicate Kenobi’s emotions and past guilt over Anakin’s fall with barely any word of mouth and a lot of talking with the eyes is honestly some of the best acting I’ve seen from him ever. The entire scene made me cry like a baby. Their story is so heartbreaking, and out of all the stories in Star Wars is the one that always moves me to tears. Beautiful show man.
Love how youre so passionate bout it
It makes the prequel hate unwarranted, and put a halt on Hayden's career. Anakin's character while well written in the PT, was poorly *directed* with poor *dialogue*. Hayden is a talented actor and is quite clearly a theater sort of actor. Expressive.
Beautifully said I couldn't agree more! It brings me peace and joy to see that Ewan and Hayden get the love they deserve from the fans 🥺❤️
Excellent post.
@@SirMan48 People just weren't ready at the time, now more and more people are realizing how good the prequels are and always have been; they have aged like fine wine.
I would argue that it was kenobis grown attachment and love and hope for the children is what gave kenobi the greater strength. One will notice that a anakin was always more powerful while striving to protect those he loves. This supports the idea that love and emotion are correct vs the pure Jedi way. I like the thought that obi-wan is evolving into a more powerful person by embracing what anakin did right.
i totally agree with this!
I always thought it was weird that Kenobi referred to Vader as "Darth" in Episode 4, since that is a title and not a name.
No one else refers to Sith Lords that way. They are either called "Lord" or their Sith name is used.
I noticed that Kenobi did it again in this last episode of the show. I think he uses it because he can no longer call him Anakin, but he refuses to call him by his new personal Sith name (Vader).
I thought the same thing hearing it, he laments the loss of Anakin yet will not acknowledge Vader as an individual.
All he uses is Darth, the title of the sith, of his enemy.
They Also called count doku but his name instead of his sith name
@@GilM0824 that is true
I thought the same. Also, him saying “then my friend is truly dead”, seemed like foreshadowing the same way Luke says in Jedi “then my father is truly dead”. Only Luke goes on to redeem Anakin whereas Kenobi cannot.
You're overthinking it. He said that in 1977 before they even considered it beyond a single movie.
Favourite scene by far is Vader talking with the broken mask. At first I wasn’t sure if I liked how they did it but now I’m fully sold. Every line he says is delivered masterfully. “Anakin Skywalker is gone… I am what remains” it sounds so painful, physically and mentally, yet it’s also creepy and scary. It gave me serious Red Hood vibes, whenever Jason’s mask is broken or comes off for the first time, it’s the exact same broken feeling. And then the line “I am not your failure Obi Wan. You didn’t kill Anakin Skywalker… I did.” Is absolutely chefs kiss. It’s really Anakin in a way saying “don’t blame yourself, it was all me” but at the same time he’s really pressing the whole “Anakin is dead, I killed him” thing. Which is also obviously how Ben describes Vader to Luke in ANH.
same, while it was happening I was thinking "this is good, but isn't it a bit cheesy?" but then I realized they're doing something new and different and that's a good thing, I'm tired of 'safe' writing.
but the Choreography of the fights are very average to be honest, and it's unacceptable because there are really great choreographers out there and they should hire them, a Vader vs Obi-Wan fight should look way cooler than that.
@@Ar1AnX1x ehh I dunno, Vader isn’t fighting like Anakin so it wouldn’t be as Flashy on his side. Main part that was weird was Obiwan throwing rocks like that lol
I'm glad someone else noticed the lighting during the monologue between vader and OWK. When vader is talking about killing anakin, the harsh blue on OWK's face when it cuts to him, then the full red on vader afterwards, did a BEAUTIFUL job at showing the full loss of anakin in that scene. Very glad that that was noticed by at least one other person. By far the best episode
Oh yeah man just you and theory noticed that
Seriously lmao, this is obvious
We now know that Vader still sounds like Anakin when the voice amplifier isn’t working so I wonder if the reason Vader’s voice sounds so different is because Sidious didn’t want Vader to think of himself as Anakin when he spoke.
Na it’s coz his vocal cords are burnt so he literally needs a voice amplifier [that changes his voice] in order to speak
@@L9ines So when his voice amplifier breaks, why does he sound like normal Anakin. The explanation you gave is the one that applies for legends but I think i's clear that it does not apply to canon after episode 6 of Kenobi.
Nah it’s because the original came out 40 years ago and they picked James Earl Jones because he sounded cool. Not everything needs a fucking explanation
@@jacka6207 It’s 2022 not 1979. Star Wars has expanded greatly. Your logic makes no sense. Especially when Vader takes his mask off and sounds different in Return of the Jedi.
@@jacka6207 Also, we’re literally in the comment section to a SWT video. Explaining things is literally what this channel does.
I interpreted Vader saying "you did not kill Anakin, I did" as Anakin's final goodbye to his master, the final thing he could give Obi-Wan before his hate became too much. You can see it in the lightsaber lighting on his face, partially blue and red until he says "I did" and the red takes over. He wanted his master to not blame himself for his own failure
That’s beautiful, and so heartbreaking
It gives more weight to Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father. But it undermines Vader telling Luke "I am your father." Make your mind up dude!
@@stephenderry9488 no. It gives more proof that anakin and Vader could "merge together for some small moments" because of the feelings for his son and the fact that he recognize Luke IS and will Always be both Vader and Anakin's son a fight for the control between the light and the dark, and also about wich is truly the father. Anakin beated the Darkness and Vader by redeeming himself letting off the anger and hate for his own son proving he could do anything for him and that je has true feelings, unlike Vader who just want his son as a powerfull apprentice and son and to rule with.
But i get your point of view and take on it.
i think what i got from this scene is that i feel that Anakin would have been perfectly fine if he died in that duel right there and then. i think Anakin was ready and wanting to die. his hatred for Obi-wan is nothing more than a projection of his hatred towards himself and you constantly hear Vader saying " you should have killed me when you had the chance" Anakin wants to die at this point because he's given up he's trapped as Sidious eternal slave and leading an empire that he gives zero fucks about. all Anakin wanted was a happy life with Padme and his kids at the same time wanted to be the best Jedi ever. but all that was taken from him. both by the Jedi,sith and the war but also by his own hand and he hates himself for it.
when he's yelling after Obi-wan probably wrecking his vocal cords even more i feel he's screaming for Obi-wan to come back and finish him. Suicide is not in Anakin's nature due to his ironclad will but he was very much suicidal. Vader in the comics set before this uses alot of reckless strategies to beat his enemies and alot of them put him in danger of dying himself but doesn't give a damn.
You couldn’t be more wrong
I absolutely loved the Finale and seeing the Rematch of the Century. Ewan’s visible emotional pain and sorrow when he sees Anakin behind the mask, combined with Hayden’s voice combining in and out with JEJ’s Vader. When Hayden’s Anakin tells him “I’m not your failure, Obi Wan”, it gives Obi Wan the much needed relief and chance to heal from the trauma & PTSD of being Anakin’s master and blaming himself for his fall to the Dark Side. Anakin finally takes responsibility for his own actions and when it switches to Vader, there’s that sudden sadistic tone in Hayden’s voice that takes pride in “killing Anakin” and planning to do the same to Obi Wan. At that moment, Obi Wan gets a sense of closure that his friend, brother, and Jedi apprentice is gone and it’s only “Darth” now, hence him calling him that when he leaves. Interesting to note that Obi Wan doesn’t kill Anakin (again) because he can’t force himself to and he is still probably clinging onto hope that Anakin will come
back one day. Such a powerful scene, made me shed a tear for the first time since watching Anakin and Obi Wan’s Duel of the Fates. 10/10 acting by Ewan and Hayden and so happy they brought back my favorite childhood duo after 17 years past ROTS. I really hope Hayden gets his own show as Vader or at least bringing back him and Ewan for a S2 Obi Wan! Hayden as Anakin and Vader is 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
Honorable mentions, no one has been showing love to Ian Diarmid’s cameo which was very important to the overall progression of the story (telling Vader to let Obi Wan go as it’s clearly limiting his Dark Side potential and drawing him back closer to Anakin).
Liam Neeson Force Ghost Qui Gon was great, could’ve talked about Anakin though!
Also Hello There meme at the end was a great way to end it off. Loved Little Leia’s acting and she formed a genuine bond with Obi Wan even making him laugh at the end!
Definitely the best live action lightsaber fight we've seen this past decade. Maybe an adaptation of the Vader comics would be a good series. A lot of interesting things in that which could be used in a non-episodic series
On first viewing I had trouble with Obi-wan showing more mercy for a full blown Sith than for his padawan that he lets burn alive on Mustafar and (presumably) die. Why would he let Vader go and carry on with his murderous projects ? He is after all the Empire's top asset and much suffering could be avoided by ending him right there. Kenobi was a pretty ruthless general during the Clone wars, and didn't have trouble killing Grievous and Darth Maul before that.
But on second viewing I have to acknowledge that it makes sense in the narrative arc of this show, with Obi-wan at first crushed by negative emotions such as guilt, fear, remorse, etc and while under the rocks thrown by Vader, his mind switches to focus on Leia and Luke and that brings him back to Light.
And then of course the flashback duel in the previous episode is precisely centered on the concept of mercy, with Obi-wan lecturing Anakin, so his behavior is aligned with what he preached then. And the theme of mercy comes once more when discussing with Reva, saying to her that it was not a weakness to have spared Luke, quite the contrary and that they were now both free (of their negative emotions I guess).
So I'm sort of 90% convinced that it kinda makes sense to spare Darth Vader for him at this point in their story at least...
@@samcoder6900 yeah remember Jedi also have had this open door policy with sith, believing that they can come back to the light so mercy has been part of their ethos when dealing with Sith as well
@@TomSNC Yeah, Revan definitely comes to mind
@@TomSNC It makes sense in this narrative arc contained to this TV show. Obi-wan finds closure and reconnects with the Force after many years agonizing over what happened to Anakin. Which is why he is finally able to see Qui-Gon and move on.
But in the global SW arc, it's a bit odd. If his life mission is now to protect Luke and Leia, what coud be more potent to that end than killing the Empire's most dangerous asset ?
This final episode made me feel like a child again, like when Revenge of the Sith came out. Watching Darth Vader and Obi-Wan fight brought me to tears, especially seeing Anakin and hearing him talking. Obi-Wan telling Leia about her parents was the last straw and made me cry😄 And seeing Qui-Gon just made me so happy. Now that this is over, I feel weirdly empty. Star Wars was such a huge thing growing up in my family, especially the prequel movies. It makes me feel sad that this COULD be the last time we see these actors as these characters(please let there be more🤞). This final episode definitely made the show🙂🙂
Same, I’ve never cried watching a show or movie before, but the dialogue between Vader and Obi-Wan after the fight absolutely brought me to tears. I love the characters so much; the story between them is beautiful and tragic, and this episode just added so much to it. Super happy with the finale 😄💜
I know exactly how you guys feel, it was definitely heart-wrenching to listen and watch that scene. That moment though for me that brought me to tears was the end of season 2 of the Mandalorian seeing Luke skywalker. That was the Mythic figure from my childhood that we never got to see until then
Agree 200% with everything you said, shed tears when Obi Wan said he was sorry for everything and Vader telling him he wasn’t Obi Wan’s failure 😭😭😭 seeing Hayden & Ewan (and Ian Mcdiarmid and Liam Needon) again was pure good and completed my childhood. Their duel was just as good as the Duel of the Fates
I feel the same way… literally everything you said is true for me and my family and I just hope that this isn’t the last time we get to see them!!
I loved the hello there reference, and think it ties in perfectly with in the previous episode when kenobi said hello to the driver when getting picked up, and now he has returned to his former self so his old ways have returned
I think it was great that Kenobi called Anakin “Darth” as he walked away after their fight
Yeah you can see his closure. Anakins gone well at least for him and he has done all he can to help but it never worked. Now he can not make the same mistakes with Luke and Luke will now be the new hope that is needed like how Obi-wan was always called their only hope
Yup! Nice reference to the original. Kenobi calls him darth in a new hope
I find it satisfying that Obi Wan never admits he is Vader, but instead calls him by his sith title to remove his the attachment to Anakin. Anakin turned to Vader but Obi Wan doesn't see him like that anymore, only another Darth plaguing the universe. Thus bringing Obi Wan full circle back to the force and the light. Just beautiful
Something I loved: In ANH Kenobi says “You can’t win Darth”. This whole series (this episode too) has indicated it’s all about WINNING for Anakin/Vader. He tells kenobi that’s why You’ll always lose or something to that effect. But Kenobi turns that on him in ANH Great connection there to show the through line of Anakins flaws always being present in Vader. In fact, his attachment (arguably not a flaw but his desire to control is) is what follows him to ROTJ and leads him to yeet palpatine.
For real he didn’t beat him just once but twice no high ground shit this time he legit beat him 1 on 1
@@gogetathestrongestfusion facts! And it was needed as it was important to canon! And it needs to be shown light is stronger than darkness! Things or people considered less than can overcome overwhelming obstacles or odds if they move by faith!
@@georgeferrier9461 good comment bro, cuz that’s honestly the only way I can explain Obi wan beating Vader at this point in each of their lives
@@cooly1224 just wanted to say there was an interview with george lucas in 1990 where he tells an interviewer "oh yea darth vader's injuries are from his duels with obiwan before star wars (a new hope)" after she asks "so darth vader is in his suit due to battles throughout his life?" so even lucas had plans of them dueling more than once ...theres even a ralph mccquarrie concept art of darth vader and obiwan dueling on a volcanic throne
@@Chuck_EL Thanks for that! interestingly enough when Obi Wan slashes through Vader’s mask, it looks like the exact spot of the scar which Vader has when Luke takes his mask off in ROTJ!
The dialogue between Vader and Kenobi at the end of the fight had me in tears. Bravo Hayden.
Season Finale- It was mind blowing, I loved the way Obi-Wan reconnected with the force over powered Vader by miles and the strong sorrowful, emotional and tearful acting that was shown by Ewan McGregor was totally immense.
Bullshit writing
Was really happy with the finale!! The dual between Vader and ObiWan was unbelievable! Loved the iconic “hello there!”
the "hello there" cracked me up, I wasn't expecting them to actually deliver that
The fight scene was meant to be double in length, we get the uncut version next year.
My favorite actually was seeing Aunt Beru go absolutely ham on Reva with a blaster.
Seeing Darth Vader crack an evil smile like this was something I never expected to see. The serie had a lot of issues (Reva, etc.), but this particular scene was amazing.
Obi Wan choosing to cripple Anakin again rather than kill him is truly telling to his character and to their relationship. Even buried in that mask, he couldn't bring himself to do it. Edit: Yes i cried, if you grew up on these films and with the Clone Wars (OG and the New Clone Wars) you should have at least welled up a bit. Seeing Anakin in there was horrific.
Rip to all the people murdered by Vader because Kenobi spared him again.
@@jg7u lmao I know, its stupid in it's own that he could beat him again, and then he could easily have killed him but didnt after that monologue that one of them would die today
Facts
They both are each other’s weakness… Vader let him win, kenobi didn’t finish him…. Etc lol.
@@IronRoyal Joker/Batman type of relationship
I hate the inconsistency with Reva. First she is a youngling who is almost slaughtered by Vader, then she in turn considers slaughtering Luke and could have easily done it. Now why would she even consider doing it in the first place?
Serious Question for Theory (and everyone else): Do you think that this series would have benefitted from being binged all at once rather than weekly? I feel that with some episodes (four I'm looking at you) everyone was against the series and then came back around at the end, whereas if it had been consumed all at once there would have been less hate on things (like Reva's arc). Thoughts?
I think it would benefitted if it was binged
absolutely
Yes very much so it felt like the show was supposed to be a movie
@@jakebrody8253 Exactly. Had this been a film it would have been more well received imo.
100%
It’s important to remember Obi Wan began with a more aggressive lightsaber form 4 Ataru, the form of Qui Gon. Later he would become the master of the more defensive natured form 3 Soresu but he still had the capacity to utilize both as with this duel.
dude go outside 💀
@@DiscoveringJustice Says the guy shit talking someone online for no reason
Dude you're amazing if you picked all that out of the crappy shaky cam quick cuts bs.
Love how Obi-Wan calls him “Darth.” He taunts him like he does in a New Hope. Gives me goosebumps
I saw it more as Obi Wan letting go of his guilt and hope of Anakin still being in there and accepting that this is a new man
"Only a Master of evil Darth." It ties in so perfectly even if there are still some continuity errors here and there but honestly I don't care. It came full circle for me this episode even if it did stagger quite a bit to get here.
I liked that too. A form of mockery.
The half Vader/Anakin reveal was perfect, pretty much all I wanted from the series and the voice transition with saber glare so well done. I'd kind of wanted a de-helmeted Vader fighting Obi Wan but this was far more canon-consistent I think.
I do like how they tie up the, "When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master" as that line can now refer to their meetings during this show. Of course we can also link the "Only a Master of evil Darth" with Kenobi calling Vader "Darth" as he leaves. Despite the flaws this show had, and there were a few, I couldn't help but act like a giddy school girl when Vader and Kenobi were fighting, as well as seeing Qui-Gon. Although, I was under the impression that Qui-Gon never fully completed his training and only his voice could be heard. But hey, maybe he trained as a ghost? According to the sequels, ghosts can use the force, touch crap and summon lightning like freakin' Zeus so who knows.
I loved this show. There were definitely some things they could’ve fixed like episode 4 and with Leais running😂overall this show def a 8.5
Didn't Yoda and Qui Gon learn/perfect their force ghost abilities when yoda went back to Dagobah the first time on "The Clone Wars" show? I may be wrong but I believe that's how it happened
Ben’s force ghost sat on a log in 1983 so idk how the sequels invented the notion of ghosts touching things.
I think she’s talking about force ghosts actually holding something (the lightsaber) in the sequels which means they can interact with the world a lot more than simply walking and sitting like they did in the originals
@@CarelessVagabond No, I believe Qui-Gon taught Yoda how to become a force ghost, but the reason we only heard his voice and never saw him was because of his unfinished training or something. The only time we've ever seen Qui-Gon's ghost is when he appeared on Mortis.
This last episode was amazing. I want more of the two of them, series wasn’t perfect but it transported back to a time in my life that I loved. I’m here for it!
Did anyone else notice how Obi-Wan called him Darth. Which clears up that line from A New Hope where Obi-Wan says "You're only a master of evil Darth"
I also like this scene because he's taking power and fear away from him by simply calling him Darth rather than Vader and he says it to diminish him to just some other pathetic sith lord rather than Anakin because Anakin is, for all intents and purposes besides the small flickers of compassion we occasionally see, such as with Vader accepting Obi-Wan's apology, dead.
He's being reductive. He is no more than a Dark Lord of the Sith.
Farewell indeed, Darth.
this episode was a 90’s/2000’s kid’s dream
This episode was beautiful, and really tied everything together even if making some minor changes overall to the canon. I liked how Vader telling Obi-Wan that he killed Anakin mirrored what Obi-Wan told Luke about Vader betraying and murdering his father, from a certain point of view. I hope we get to see Obi-Wans journey same as Yoda and Qui-gon
what changes were made to canon
I've not been so moved by Star Wars in a long time. This was an amazing finale. That duel? So intense! When the helmet was broken, and they saw each other for the first time since Mustufar - wow! Ewan acted the heck out of that scene! I was choking back tears.
I personally feel this series would have benefitted from being released all at once, rather than weekly. It feels like it would've had a better flow, especially in the final two episodes.
I know many fans didn't like the series, but overall I did. Yes, it had its issues, but I still enjoyed it. 7.5 out of 10 for the series as a whole. Season 2? Or a Vader series? I'd be interested!
Same! The last time I personally felt anything remotely like it was when I got goosebumps when cloaked Luke was effortlessly, in a transcendental god-like way, making his way up to the control deck on the imperial light cruiser in Mandalorian S2.
Wouldn't it be cool if they made a Vader series or a Season two Following Vader to contrast Obi-Wans growth, but instead we see Anakin fall more into demise.
it really would have been better as a film
Yes I wish I'd have waited to watch all at once. Would have hit different
I liked it, I just disliked that 50% of the show felt like filler. This is some of the only Obi-wan & Vader live action we will get in this time period & they barley show enough. I’d agree with a 7 out of 10.
10:08 I’m sure someone has already said this, maybe you say it later in the video but it’s something I noticed while watching the show and I really liked. In Return of the Jedi when Luke takes off Vader’s helmet we see a scar on top of Vader’s head that looks like it could have been done by a lightsaber. Well in Kenobi, during this fight where Kenobi cuts through Vader’s mask we actually see how he gets that scar. Just one more scar on Vader’s body courtesy of Kenobi. So now when I watch Return of the Jedi and I see this scene I know how he got that scar. I thought it was real cool how the director incorporated that little detail into the show. Too bad she missed Anakin’s scar though when he was killing younglings lol
Hate to say it, but I think that scar was already there prior to to this. It looks largely "healed" - fresh lightsaber wounds sort of glow because they're freshly cauterized.
Love how they kept switching between Hayden's voice and James Earl Jones’ voice
I honestly cried 5 separate times and maybe more. Beautiful story telling in my eyes; being 28 I still remember watching the prequels in theatres and growing up loving them all. This feels like so much fan-satisfaction, but in my opinion it was done absolutely perfectly in this last episode. I loved the way the light from Obi-Wan's saber ALMOST made it look like Anakin's eyes had turned slightly-less-Sith... but, no. Vader remained, the red of his saber overshadowing the light of the blue, just as he confirms he killed Anakin; ultimately giving Obi-Wan some sense of closure and confirmation that, no - he did not kill Anakin - the Dark Side and Vader did. The Jedi may have failed him from the beginning, but in this moment of hindsight he was blinded by the hatred of Vader, taking ownership of his own Dark-demise. Incredible.
Edit: beautiful storytelling between Obi-Wan and Anakin/Vader for what we haven't had on the big screen, in comparison to all the bs we've had for the last few years up there, namely, mostly, the last 3 main Star Wars films. Why are they even canonical? This is far better than that imo; last I checked I'm allowed my own opinions and emotions and can relate to things in my own way and cry about things when I want to eh, it feels good sometimes to let yourself connect your inner child to stories you used to chat with your mates about having, thinking you'd never have anything close aside from animated series etc'. Y'know, maybe enjoy things a little!
It definitely wasn’t cry-worthy.
Nigga they used nostalgia and you fell right into it there is no story here that we havent seen
How did you cry 5 times where there is only 2 big moment 😂.
@@crow_g1639 I didn't say we hadn't seen it or it was anything new, I'm just appreciating what the childhood me always wanted to get, or at least all that I can appreciate it. Makes me feel better deciding how I feel about it, y'know since they're my emotions and all, not yours. I fell into no trap, I allowed myself to enjoy something, ya judgemental lil sourpuss, bless up a bit
@@NamelessViking01 edit: my bad - the non-verbal storytelling and Ewan's face does it for me; he reminds me of my dad in many, many ways and the story with Anakin has always been something that we went to watch in the cinema. I've craved these timelines/ stories in live action for over a decade, and it's arrived, so I'm appreciating it at a time where I'm just letting myself be real with my emotions and nostalgia. Being fully open and vulnerably honest here, but heck y'know, why not? I love acting and music and felt the score in this was the strongest, and everything tied together, as well as it could've at least imo
I cried when Obi-Wan was talking to Anakin/Vader after his mask was destroyed. The acting was amazing and Hayden did such a fantastic job. I hope we get to see more of him and Ewan. This show was fantastic.
Man...if only the entire season was as solid as episodes 5 and 6. This was a really solid ending, topped off with a Qui Gon appearance and a "Hello there" to boot.
I don’t understand why everyone hates the other episodes so much, sure there were issues but overall I thought it was great apart from the first 2 episodes which were slow and showcased unnecessary scenes. However, it was still enjoyable for me and provided us with the context of where Obi wan was at, at the time
@@conorneary01 I think these two last episodes are prime examples of why people shouldn't jump to conclusions too early. And yeah, the earlier episodes could certainly have been executed better for sure. But overall i felt satisfied.
I have to build to something , can’t just start episode 1 Vader Obi to the death gotta develop stuff so it makes episode 5 and 6 so good
Too much Reva and too much chasing Leia.
@@moabman6803 too much trolls
This was the only episode where I actually felt like I was watching star wars.
Vader was conflicted as soon as Kenobi left the ship full of people. He was all in his feelings and I feel like he didn’t truly wanna kill Kenobi. He even refers to him as master. Vader was back and forth with the light and dark side when his mask cut in half. Their dialogue was brilliant. And to confirm my thoughts, the emperor alludes to Vader that he wasn’t at full power because of his former master in Kenobi. Fantastic duel and series!!!
Do you think if vader wasn't conflicted he would have won,
@@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz I think he would have but with Obi-Wan, that could never happen. Too much feeling there.
@@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz I'd say probably so, especially before Obi-Wan truly "awakened".
@@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz yes
@@HeWhoWalksWithNoBitchiz yeah, I mean it’s basically confirmed in the show. Palpatine says his feelings for his old master weaken him. So I think moving forward Vader is about to get so much stronger