@the zman she was meant to be the female Vader of color that got hold back by her superiors and, other than Vader, could find her redemption without help. Rey>Luke. Reeva>Vader. Baby Leia>Obi Wan. Bo Katan>Din Sniper girl>Boba Fett Female>male. Kennedy>Lucas. Only question left is who will get the better of Han Solo, oh wait this also was Rey with being a better pilot and knowing the falcon better than the guy who flew it for decades and repaired probably every part of it. Rey=Kennedy 👸
Keep in mind that even the 10-year-old little girl they got to play Leia thought the Austin Powers hiding under a trenchcoat thing was so stupid that no one would believe it. The writers are literally stupider and more incompetent than a ten-year-old.
i just can't believe the writers are getting paid for this shit... And how can the director see this scene and be like "yes this would work in real life!"
That was such a Looney Tunes moment I can't believe it passed through EVERYONE in Disney. Like concept artists, wirters, animators, storyboarders, VFX crew, cinematographers, editors, producers... seriously none of these people thought about that it might look a bit ridiculous?
People saying Vader "loves the chase" can't be familiar with the character. There was an entire f-ing trilogy that was basically about Anakin being told he was too inpatient. The guy spent three movies getting into trouble by being impulsive.😁
Mentioned that yesterday. Vader barely shows any emotion other than hate or anger. The closest I have ever seen him mess around with an enemy was his duel with his son Luke when he threatened to turn Leia if Luke wouldn’t which backfired on him quite a lot. Other than that I haven’t seen Vader do much manipulation or toying around with lives like his master. He was usually dead serious and didn’t have much patience after losing nearly everything that he once cared about.
Exactly bro I'm so happy other people think it's cringe they're just trying to get Lizzo fans to watch Star Wars, like stop trying to get a new audience and try to keep your old audience!
@@cooliostarstache5474 wasn't basically everything besides like first and last episode per season filler in Mando? It's been a while now since I watched it, but I remember everything in between basically being like Power Rangers, basically an episodic monster of the week random stuff that doesn't move the plot at all.
Ewan McGregor admitted that it was supposed to be a show about Obi-Wan and Luke. Then Kathleen Kennedy did what she always does and insisted it be about Leia and "Reva."
This idiot better hold on to her job as best she can, cuz she's gonna be working ice cream stalls after this. She is single-handedly and intentionally disassembling the Star Wars franchise until we won't have a single piece of quality content, watching us fans eat each other up so it can finally die. We demand *art*, not this stupid political and feminist agenda crap. It does not work anymore. I like keeping up with the goings of the world via afternoon news, I don't need that crap *everywhere*.
A lot of recent Star Wars material just seems to not have a direction, there is no foresight with the stories being created the “and then X happens” really does show.
Obi-Wan and Vader are legacy characters (also white, straight and male), which Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm especially hate. There was never any doubt they'd become side characters to women and POC'S.
I hate Disney for giving us a Kenobi series based between episodes 3 and 4 AND starring Hayden and Ewan YET SOMEHOW they still made it shit. It’s actually kind of impressive how they managed to make it a bad show with the material they had to use
If you’ve played “Jedi: Fallen Order” you’ll realize that whoever wrote this show plagiarized that games major plot pieces and used them here. A lot of the same comparisons being: a jedi character regretting/suffering failures of their past, bringing in a knight sister with an underlying personal vendetta against the character, using the underwater imperial base and recycling the SAME EXACT tactic of using the force to break the glass to flood the base to escape, etc…. There’s so much plagiarism that it’s pathetic. They couldn’t even do it properly.🤣
holy shit, didn't make that connection since i thought well since both were canon to SW universe might be coincedence but yeah you're actually right. The plagiarized it to the bone and failed to see why it actually paid off just like how *spoiler alert* and why Cal lost his connection to the Force and why he chose to live in exile, they're the exact same parallel
@@akmalrusydi2730 attempting to make Reva seem as morally grey as Trilla was in Fallen Order was such a dud. Reva’s hatred’s towards Obi-Wan makes no sense because it’s not his fault Anakin murdered her Jedi peers. Trilla’s motivation makes sense where she’s not just operating as a mindless sith inquisitor to complete her objective and retrieve the holocron, but her vendetta against Cere made more sense because Cere was actually her master and felt she was to blame for her suffering.
What's worse is that this show takes place after that game, and yet the security on the base is probably even worse than it is in the fucking game. Let's ignore whatever fuck happened inside the building and remember that the planet was blockaded by a fleet of Star Destroyers and the snow speeders still somehow managed to slip through. Oh yeah, where are Tie Fighters and reinforcements at the end? They tried so hard baiting with the fan service and this time it wasn't just bringing back Mando or Ahsoka. It's poorly attempting to recreate the plot of the game.
yeah what was happening in the writers room? were they smoking crack and meth the entire time until the day of the deadline and just threw some shit together?
From what I've heard from the writers of the show, the last scene between Vader and Obi-wan was written the way it was because the writers thought it would be clever if Obi-wan didn't know Vader's true identity until the face reveal. Despite the fact that in Revenge of the Sith, Obi-wan saw a holo-recording of the emperor referring to Anakin as Vader almost immediately after slaughtering the younglings.
That literally means they have not taken the time to re-watch the material they are using for building blocks to their franchise. How do people get hired to make money only to make decisions that cost alot of money??
It also makes the whole “When we last fought I was mere but a student, now I’m the master” line from Star Wars 1977 even more dumber now because the added battle was so unnecessary. It worked great with the prequels because Anakin was still the student to his Master Obi Wan, and now as a new creation… Vader is “a master of evil”
Well nowadays, these studios think they need a black character in order to be successful. Honestly they only added her for diversity, the story wouldve worked without Riva. And i think thats more insulting to the actress and black audiences than not including such a character at all. Almost like an afterthougt "better add someone black or we are racist"
@@ggt47 Blade is completely different, without him there would be no movie. But Reva? Nah the series worked even without her and she honestly stole a lot of focus off of Obiwan and Vader
The worst scene for me was when Obi-Wan, the greatest defensive duelist of all time yet a mediocre force user, lost to Darth Vader in dueling but beat him with force powers.
@Bane520 Yes and no against obi, wan he lost because he was conflicted (another example of bad disney writing), but yes, he is better in saber combat and force ablites his lightsaber form isnt a single form its all forms (execpt maces) making him the best duelist in cannon
She’s the racist. The woman had the audacity to say “you’ve got talking droids and no people of color. It’s 2022”. Like, Lando, Mace Windu, Cere(Jedi Fallen Order), Trilla(Jedi Fallen Order) and all those other characters from the Mandolorian like Finnic and others just don’t exist? She’s a moron.
@Donald Jr Trumpy With Daisy Ridley it’s a little harder to tell. In her defense, Ridley very clearly and very publicly *despises* the Disney films and has been consistent with showing her particular disdain for the writing in the movies, especially after Episode IX was completed. Look at some of her interviews released around that same time and you’ll see what I mean. Now, of course, Ridley still agreed to be involved, but I suppose it is hard to blame anyone for accepting a large Disney paycheck. With regard to her acting chops, we can say with a certainty that her work in Star Wars indicates almost no presence of talent or ability. But is that really her fault? I’m not sure, and you’ll have to make your own judgments. Those films were so sublimely awful, the stories and accompanying dialogue so childish and atrocious, that I frankly doubt anyone could have made the material look good. I think she’s probably a middling actress at best, and thus had absolutely no hope of salvaging Disney’s ungodly mess. Because of her involvement in Disney’s attempt at Star Wars, she has become a polarizing figure amongst cinema fans. Therefore, her paucity of notable roles outside Star Wars can probably be attributed to other studios’ resultant hesitancy to touch her (again, because of her performance in Star Wars). The other possibility is that she does in fact just suck. Look at her opposite lead in the Disney films - Adam Driver. His career took off in spectacular fashion after Episode VII. He is clearly a remarkable and capable actor. Driver’s post-Star Wars success when compared to Ridley’s makes me conclude that she’s probably just average to poor in terms of appeal and ability, regardless of how divisive her involvement with Star Wars was. Edit: It is also worth mentioning that Driver’s character and performance seems to have been received much more favorably than Ridley’s. Studios and casting directors are probably sensitive to this fact and are therefore less timid about hiring Driver, whose star status seems to have been enhanced by his involvement with Disney Star Wars. In fact, Driver may very well be the only one of the leads in the entire trilogy whose career benefited. Which again would suggest that he is a cut above the others in terms of acting ability.
My husband said something a few months ago that made me laugh when we were watching Kenobi having to turn the volume down while Turd Sista was screaming. He said he doesn’t mind that they have certain criteria for roles, but why do they have to cast such awful looking terrible actors. Do we get Beyoncé or Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams or Pam Grier? No. We get Leslie Jones and Lizzo. 6 months later, what do we see? I couldn’t stop laughing. I didn’t even know who Lizzo was when he first mentioned her. It’s as if once they decide the type of actor they want, they no longer care about ability or talent. That is how we’ve arrived at such a sad state of affairs.
Tragic part is how we live in a time when we'd get called out for stating facts. We'd be told to shut the heck up and that we're being fatphobic. Heck, I'm fat, but I'm doing what I can to stay healthy and eventually lose weight properly. Everything is so sensitive these days. The thought police has gotten into everyone. And, yes, I do not find Lizzo attractive whatsoever, and it should be normal to be able to state that.
I consider this to be the same as the whole emasculation of men. An entire generation of women are teaching men to be betas but they’re not actually attracted to them. Look at the men that we actually hook up with. We are still attracted to strong confident men. We are creating a society of ineligible partners. I don’t know why we would do that but that’s what women are doing now. All of these stans and beta orbiters and suck-ups that defend their favorite girly TH-camr, none of us would ever date one of them. It’d not an attractive quality. Just look at who Amouranth is actually sleeping with. He may be a bad example but because he is a piece of s…..T. My point is that no matter social engineering is going to make an unattractive person or unattractive qualities attractive. So you can have all the campaigns you want about being attractive at any size but, that’s not going to get you any more dates. It doesn’t make ugly people less ugly to put them up on a poster. Pretty soon we will be canceling people because they are not attracted to uglies. This is already happened in the xrans community where certain activists already want to have the right to bullying you to partnering with them. It’s sheer insanity. The bottom line is if I want to see a bunch of ugly people I can just go outside. That’s not what I watch movies and television for.
Leslie Jones at least is a comedian. Whether you think she's funny or not is a different conversation, because there are those who don't think Bill Burr is funny, but he's a comedian and he was in the Mandalorian. Jack Black is a comedian, Christopher Lloyd is a comedian. Lizzo is just... a singer, and not even one that is trying out to be an actor like Harry Styles. Very strange casting choice
What confused me the most is how the third sister even knew that kidnapping Leia would draw Obi-Wan out of hiding. "Lets kidnap this random princess on some random planet and hope that Obi comes to save her" Like what?
The (dumb) explanation the show gives is that in “the archives” (whatever the fuck that is), Reva found evidence of the relationship senator Bail Organa and Obi Wan had. She assumed kidnapping Leia would make the senator ask for Obi Wan’s help.
There are good moments (Bad batch S2) but its at the point where your friends are already telling you to leave that man and find someone who appreciates you Seriously after Boba Fett, Mando S3 and this show Star wars is dead and now they're making a Rey trilogy.... yeah no thanks
@@RedDeadDepressionist Its a great game. But the issue was how the ending of the game forced the two abusive parents to make up in the end and it just felt too quick
The entire show was an embarrassment… from Leia being annoying to Reva being the second trashiest Star Wars character (congratulations! She almost tied Rey!)
It’s unfortunate how Disney has truly ruined Star Wars. You know it’s bad when the story for Fallen Order/Survivor is better than majority if not all of the stories Disney has put out for the franchise.
That’s because it told it’s own story without creating plot holes in the canon. They either should have continued the story without contradicting anything that’s happened in the previous films or told a completely new one that isn’t completely connected with the Clone Wars or the Rebellion against the Empire. Sure both are mentioned in Fallen Order but they aren’t the main conflict whatsoever.
It was incredibly stupid for Vader and obi wan to fight, it never should’ve happened. It ruins the fight in episode 4, and even so, Vader should’ve easily won. And he did, but obi wan couldn’t die because of plot.
I can see a reason them fighting, cause vader shouldnt stopped looking for kenobi all those years, but the way they did it sucked, and yeah, vader definitly shouldve won easily
@@MrWord283 No hell no in absolute way or form should these fights have ever existed. An absolute fucking joke. No reason for them ever to be seen again until episode 4, this show goes to defile great characters.
@@BeautifulMan4015 although I agree it shouldn’t happen, there a couple of lines in original trilogy that supports a rematch after episode 3. Like the one where obi wans says that he is more machine than man, and if you remember, as far as obi wan knew, he just let anakin die in mustafar. The other one is when Vader says to Luke “obi wan once thought as you” about having the “good” in him, and that’s something that never happens in episode 3. I mean, that’s why I can see it happening but I would have preferred not
@@MrWord283Why would he have kept searching? He spent close to two decades hunting down every single Jedi alongside hundreds, if not thousands, of Stormtrooper companies. Sure, Obi-Wan was the greatest defensive Jedi to exist, but even Yoda would have died if he hadn't gone into exile, which only happened because Bail Organa was there to save both. Since Vader had no clue that Organa not only was a Rebel sympathiser, but also smuggled high-ranking Jedi, he simply assumed Obi-Wan had died due to the entire galaxy hunting him.
@@memememe609 like I said, I’d prefer they never encounter, but there’s a couple of lines in OT that supports that encounter between episode 3 to 4, so, if they had done it right, the rematch MAYBE it could have worked, but sadly it didn’t in this context
The most painful, painful part about all this is seeing so many people defend bad choreography, poor writing, memberberry pandering, and all other forms of madness spilling from Disney's blackhole of idiocy.
@@brianeubanks3842, the only Star Wars product left I have some faith in is Jedi: Survivor, but I'm actually afraid that it might go full woke with its story. Worst part is these clowns will still eat it up even if that worst case scenario does occur.
@@PsychoRavager Eh I doubt it. First of all the game is going to be 70 dollars which is absurd and even Fallen Order was decent but suffered from so many bugs and glitches that made the game almost unplayable and inexcusable. (PS4 Version Especially)
@@cloudshines812, played the PC version, and never experienced any bugs or glitches. But I actually do agree that this upcoming sequel might be something that'll end up bad. And I sadly wouldn't be surprised anymore. The state of mainstream entertainment these days is just appalling. From steep prices to unfinished broken messes.
Here, couple of facts about Obi-wan Kenobi: - It was meant to be movie trilogy. - Female lead Sith. Reva? Was not meant to be in movies. She was put there because Kathleen Kennedy. - Movies was meant to be Obi-wan journey to becoming old hermit, crazy old man jedi who is capable of killing or at least cutting arms In the middle of public cantina. - Movies would have feature Darth Vader hunting Obi-wan Kenobi as he was his obbession, but they would have never actually met. - Movies would have had flashbacks between Anakin and Obi-wan. - Movie trilogy turned into the TV show, because Kathleen Kennedy wanted strong female character. As a lead role.
Would've rather wanted 6 hours worth of movies than 6 hours of Reva doing dumbfuck parkour on a roof, Leia being chased by thugs in a walking speed and whatever fuck happened in that Fallen Order fan-bait episode.
the part of him grabbing the wrong ship is even more stupid because hes a force user. He shouldve easily sensed wich ship had lifeforms on it and wich was empty lol
13:50 I genuinely *hate* the cliche of the spy or traitor pulling rank to get somewhere they're not meant to be. I've seen full bird colonels get turned away from secure facilities because their credentials weren't in order or on file. Your rank doesn't mean jack versus someone charged with protecting a secure location.
This mini-series proves that Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus) was right calling Obi-wan a moron constantly in the AOTC and Clone Wars. Also given how much he trolled Anakin, Dooku was right about him too apparently. Darth Tyranus was ahead of his time.
The wise old mentor from A New Hope has been turned into a dumbass who blurts out Leia's name in front of stormtroopers and attempting to sneak her out of the Inquisitor's base by hiding her under a coat only to be caught red-handed. Obi-Wan of all people didn't foresee that consequence. That's the state of Star Wars canon now.
Between 10 year old Leia outsmarting a fucking JEDI MASTER at every turn, Reva screaming at everything and everyone within a 30ft radius of her at any given moment, and the fact that lightsaber wounds are now the equivalent of a papercut... it's safe to say that this was some of the most embarrassing, contrived, idiotic bullshit I've ever seen from a big budget TV series. Only Disney could manage to completely fuck up a series about Obi-Wan, Darth Vader and the Inquisitors
As a black woman, I have to question the choice of hairstyle for Riva or however you spell her name. I was done with Star Wars after The Force Awakens, but I love watching TH-camrs roast the Disneyfied franchise.
They have a vendetta against male characters, that's why they are now always focusing on the least interesting and more supportive female characters like Leia and Rey, and I could name more but I honestly dont remember and dont care to research, like the black lady of the kenobi show, the little kid and more recently Sabine. I have nothing against women being the protagonists but it has to be done right and you can NOT disrespect the old characters and lore. Mainly the main character of the original Star Wars, that being Luke Skywalker, in order to make your new female characters better in comparison. THIS DIRECTION IS TRASH!
@@MrEstrela12 Completely agree. nothing wrong with female protagonists, but it has to be done right. To be honest I'm glad Disney is dying. They deserve it after all the crap they've done and caused. Their pathetic agendas will cost them dearly
The mismanagement of arguably the largest IP in history, being absolutely smashed into the ground feels like it will be a case study in the future. For years I really hoped for a KOTOR adaptation, now I fear they'd actually do it
The "female antagonist" Ravanna, or whatever the hell her name is, was the worst part about the show. The character doesn't fit at all into Star Wars. It felt like an underqualified diversity hire given an opportunity they didn't deserve, metaphorically of course. Nothing about her made sense. At first she was the scorned woman consumed with anger and hatred for Obi Wan. Then it turns out she is wanting revenge on Vader who she has been trying to please through exacting mayhem and carnage on any jedi she can hunt down. It made no sense. Unless of course Disney is injecting more feminism into Star Wars by creating a jedi female antihero for fans to ultimately reject and hate. By the end of the series that's exactly what it looks like. Why the hell would Vader leave her alive after she betrayed him and tried to kill him? Yet in many other instances Vader would kill his subordinates for simply delivering bad news. RIDICULOUS Post Script- I actually watched this video because I was curious if anyone else hated the feminist propaganda in the series, as well as the whole Disney Star Wars franchise, as much as me. I CANCELLED my subscription 30 min ago.
Reva was so embarrassing, I can only imagine that her tenure as an inquisitor was entirely because Vader knew who she was and what she was doing, and just let her think she was succeeding all as the greatest long term prank in Star Wars history. Besides Order 66, of course.
This was literally the worst show I've ever seen in my life. I was in disbelief watching it week to week how it just got worse and worse. I immedietly lose respect for anyone who appreciates anything about this show.
I loved how the hyped up Obi Wan v Vader fight that literally breaks canon but whatever, is just Vader shitting on Obi wan till he gets an anime powerup, where Obi wan then beats the shit out of Vader with no resistance, to act like Vader couldn't stop any of those rocks while having just shown him stopping an entire ship is crazy.
We're lucky Obi-wan didn't suckle on the breasts of an alien. It could've been a spiritual journey, and a simple story of Kenobi protecting Luke's identity, and learning that Anakin had survived as a mechanical monster. He could've tried finding or communicating with other Jedi only to comprehend they really were all dead. He could've accepted how badly he'd failed Anakin, and the Republic, allowing the Sith to return. Kenobi could've reflected on the arrogance of the fallen Jedi order, and through his new-found humility met the ghost of Qui-Gon. He could've learned through Qui-Gon how to become one with the force upon death, knowing that one day he would have to face Vader again, and die in that fight in order to help Luke overthrow the Empire, and restore the Republic. Instead we got him working as a butcher, and a pointless showdown with Vader where we already knew the outcome, Inquisitors that nobody cared about, and a child that could outrun adults because they were outsmarted by branches. Fucking woeful.
Those aren’t fans those are critics trying to like what’s getting shoved down there throat and if you say anything negative about it they start insulting you and tell you every single slur
@@Kriplingpowr I want to agree with you, but there's swarms of these people defending every wet, runny shit that pours out of the mouse. This includes social media, and a great deal of people I've met in my day-to-day life.
I love how the writers of Obi Wan neglect the fact Leia NEVER met him before A New Hope, like the line during her hologram where she says "Years ago you served with my father during the close wars" basically confirming that was the first time she had ever spoken to him directly albeit through a message she wasn't sure would reach him.
I said that in the first episode. I couldn't believe they would do something so stupid but then again it's Disney. I'm hoping the Ahsoka show is going to be good.
I got banned from r/StarWarsMeme for making a meme about how a Twitter post by Disney was blaming all the criticisms about the show on racists & sexists... No one was criticizing the show because of Reva's skin color and they were just mad I pointed this out.
PS: The Grand Inquisitor (despite his horribly inaccurate make-up) was the only one who should've been able to survive a stab to the gut.because of his 2nd stomach
A plot hole that jumped to my eyes with the last episode : How the fuck did Reva get to Tatooine? Every ship was destroyed, the empire left her stranded... And still, she managed not only to heal herself, find a ship, but arrive there much faster than Obi-Wan who basically made a straight line to Tatooine, with only a pit stop to humiliate Vader on the road...
Star wars died the moment George put pen to paper on the sale of his I.P. I like to blame Disney but George isn't innocent here. He literally sold out. He gave away his heart and soul for a billion dollars and the corporate world is squeezing every last drop of blood they can out of it before it all goes dry. Your childhood ended long ago and so did star wars.
Now, I don’t remember where I got this information but I have heard that the biggest reason George Lucas sold his company to Disney (Star Wars with it) is because he was scared his company was going to go bankrupt and he cared a lot about his employees and didn’t want them to loose their jobs. That’s why George specifically sold it to Disney, because Disney, in his eyes, is the only company that will never go bankrupt
@@elpoodoo3099 I mean it's certainly possible. Lucasfilm hadn't done anything serious in about a decade, a lot of the games released in the mid 2000s were okay or good, but LucasArts had at least two times as many duds as they did successes most years. The franchise certainly wasn't selling lots of toys either with Marvel drawing the attention of most children. It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas had enough to keep the lights on for a few years, but not enough for any serious projects by the time he sold to Disney.
I haven't seen this show and I have no interest in seeing it. But upon learning Vader was in it, and would meet Obi Wan, I immediately thought: "This totally ruins the impact of them meeting again in A New Hope, also causes the 'When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master' line to have no real meaning anymore"
@@antwan883 No, it really fucking doesn't. Quit being a glue eating moron, quit defining your life based on your idiotic politics, pick up a book, and actually LEARN one thing in your life.
I think the biggest difference between Kenobi and Mavrick is that Kenobi is banking off the viewer reminising and catching references. Meanwhile, Maverick was banking off the characters reminiscing about their pasts. They are investing in their hisotry, and thus we share the connection with them. While Kenobi jangles some keys and then sticks its hand out for rewards
I knew this show was shit when Kenobi defeated a fully trained Darth Vader after barely being able to move a tiny rock with the force, meanwhile Vader has been slaughtering Jedi and other foes the last 10 years and embracing his powers. Plot armor at its finest. I think they should have had Vader win, it would tie into episode 4 perfectly when Vader said "When I left you I was but the learner now I'm the master" implying that Vader defeated Obi Wan but was too weak to kill him and in episode 4 Vader was finally willing to kill Obi Wan.
at this point it is more fun to watch the critics take apart the shows than watching the shows themselves. if you want to know how much Disney loves cameos, watch the twitter reactions on the reveals. Those are more important to Disney than making good shows that stick around for more than 1 or 2 seasons
Lazy writings are all the rage nowadays. The root cause of the problem makes it worse when mixing with a certain hidden agenda like female first & what not.
My biggest annoyance with this show was how many times they BLATANTLY copied Jedi: Fallen Order. Lost connection to the force from PTSD, catching Leia from falling thus using the force for the first time in a long time, almost the ENTIRETY of the Fortress Inqusitorius break in. I understand that Fallen Order is a game, so less people would know it compared to shows and movies, but since the game is considered canon, its funny to think Fortress Inquisitorius got a downgrade in security😂 The only reason I watched the whole show was because of my deep love for Ewan and Hayden…
>a show about Obi-Wan >made him a complete wimp, which is NOT his personality >replaced him with a woke female char that nobody likes >she, a Jedi, fought Darth Vader with intense hatred. Not single Jedi did that. Bruh! Edit: This is NOT EVEN Darth Vader, either. Everyone knows he'd kill his subordinate if they failed once due to sheer anger, yet instead, he's toying with her? And how dare her think she could have a chance to kill Darth goddamn Vader, anyway? is that black armor guy Darth Vader, or Emperor Palpatine? Just watch Star Wars Visions. As much as this show is non-canon, it still feels like Star Wars, unlike this pile of vomit hell.
I made it up to the episode where Vader and Obi fight. When Vader shows up and do Darth Vader shit I was like, ok... maybe this show has some hope.... then fights end happened and Vader just lets him get away and I was like, "Nope.", and stopped watching.
"Guys, you deserve better than this" Fu** no, they don't. Defenders of this embarrassment deserve The Acolyte, the new Rey trilogy, and also Dial of Destiny. That's what they deserve.
I told my friend before Kenobi released “This show will make of break Star Wars. If they mess this up, there’s no coming back.” - Unfortunately, I was right. Friends have begged me to watch Andor but for me, it’s too late. I’m done. They somehow managed to take me, a LEGO Star Wars set collecting, wookiepedia reading, Star Wars obsessed super nerd for two decades, and turn me off of Star Wars entirely. At first I was frustrated, then annoyed; but now, now I’m just completely indifferent. I went from cheering for announcements to rolling my eyes to now not reacting or even knowing about them at all. I just don’t care anymore. The moment they retconned 40+ years of Star Wars content and trashed Lucas’ own story for the sequels, it was over.
dont know if you ever ended up watching it but Andor is easily the best disney era star wars show and most star wars fans will agree. check it out, its seriously worth the watch
Emperor Palpatine coming back was the moment that all of Star Wars post George Lucas died. Literally -- by that one simple action, all of what we had seen beforehand was completely null. The prophecy rang untrue, and therefore undid quite literally every action any character in this series had ever fulfilled.
We all know this show could have and should have been a film and that it should have been a dialgoue-heavy, character-driven story about Obi-Wan coming to terms with everything that happened and learning from Qui Gon
What a waste of Ewan McGregor. Need I say more anyone? The question we should be asking is does mcgregor do the best with what he is given? The prequels are somehow better. Also can we all agree that this show is non canon?
Kenobi was godawful. They demasculated Obi Wan. A little girl was smarter than he was. They did the Skywalker thing with Obi Wan. They destroyed him. Disney will burn in hell for what they did to the Star Wars franchise.
24:50 I swear, the writers could've done it so that vader holds onto the ship where obi wan is with force, but that inquisitor girl attacks him from behind so he has to let go of the ship in order to defend himself. I am a child and I thought of this immediately, was this series written by mentally challenged baboons or something?
Bro that is actually genius, you don't need to change the writing for that scene like that, only the sequence. At least that way it would've added drama and made it make sense. I'm still surprised though, why is no one talking about how just a bit earlier in that scene, dozens of troopers all attacking simultaneously couldn't overwhelm a very lame Kenobi & like 10 more dudes that were on his side. The troopers were literally centimeters away with a blaster from Kenobi like wtf 😭
I was thinking the same once I looked back at it, it makes a cool scene have substance because she would have broken Vader's concentration once he was being surprise attacked and made one of the most obnoxious characters of the series have a redeeming action more substantial. These writer's need to be checked like, have someone prove read or something before releasing this shit 😂
It would have been fantastic if Obi-Wan discovered Vader's identity by himself, instead of just being told. He could have gone out to confront this Sith Lord with swagger and overconfidence, only to realize exactly who he was facing. It would have been emotionally devastating for him, and that could have led to some great character moments. But no. Can't have that.
While I like that idea, it wouldn't make sense since Obi Wan knows that Anakin is Vader thanks to the recording he saw at the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith. In it he hears Palpatine call Anakin "Lord Vader". Edit: Unless you are saying he hears about a new Sith Lord but doesn't learn of the name until way later. In which case, yea I'm with you that would've been great. And I just lack reading comprehension skills apparently.
In Legends, he learns that Vader, or Anakin, survived their duel by merely hearing some random people mention Darth Vader in some cantina on Tattooine and he nearly lost his mind over it that he went out to catch some breath. He then heard Qui-Qon talking to him, so he had to find somewhere private to talk so that people won't think he's insane.
It was completely unnecessary. It did really nothing to advance a story since you knew the ultimate ending and the "sassy" leia was just terrible all together. The main character (yes i said it) hates families and kills them to get to a place to get revenge on Vader.... for killing her firends and family yrs ago. Um... wtf sense does this make? Ends justify means?
last time obi wan and anakin fought obi wan sliced 3 of darth vaders limbs of and set him on fire then left him to die so there is no way that darth vader would have let obi wan go.
people shitting on these shows is far more fun than the shows could ever be. a member berry cake is not the same as a new cake with a member berry or 2 on top. i wish more people, both audience and writers, would understand it.
These DEI hires are terrible storytellers. The rough diamonds are being overlooked and coal is being chosen to flourish. It's partition trophy winners running these movie studios now.
And the turd on top, they stole the helmet getting cut to show Anakin's face from the end of Rebels season 2 were it actually had real emotional weight behind it.
This is how logic DOESNT work: bail organa doesnt hear from obi wan----> obi wan could have been captured----> he sents him a message to a device that could have been confiscated by Vader---> in that message he reveals the location of the only hope the galaxy has to overthrow palpatine.
I mean, it's a pretty common Sith apprentice backstory, what with the Dark Side being a corruptive force. The writers just failed to recognize that this makes the character _evil,_ lol.
They should make a show about Luke when he was a teenager and how him and his friends sit around a round table in his uncles basement and the camera pans around each character while they’re laughing and making jokes. One of them can be a dumb jock and the other can be an exchange student from Mexico. And then there is this girl who is kind of a tomboy but she’s hot and Luke has on a crush on her, and then there could be another girl who is cute but bubbly. Oh yea and there could be one more friend who is kinda cool but might sell drugs on the side and then years later he is the leader of a Mormon church but goes to jail for accusations
The funny irony is the actress that played Leia even said she thought most of her scenes were idiotic. Like the hiding under Obiwans big ass Imperial Jacket. Yeah even a 10 year old thought that shit was stupid. This show was hot garbage and a giant waste of Vader and Obiwan. I absolutely hated the character of Reva. She added absolutely nothing to the plot or story for Obiwan. But the idea alone of her surviving not one but two lightsaber stab wounds by Vader is just tough to swallow that logic. The writers of the show are nothing but a joke. Nostalgia can be a useful tool but you gotta be a clever writer to pull it off.
From what I know about Vader, he does not "love the chase". He's always been brutally efficient and uncompromising. He's also shown to be quite intelligent throughout the series. This show nerfs Vader in every way except for his force abilities
Gotta love how Reva "honored" her dead Jedi friends by not murdering an innocent child. This was, of course, after years of murdering other Jedi.
And having a framed dead Jedi youngling in the inquisitor base
@@Why_does_this_exist_TH-cam
Clever writing, Jobi!
And cutting off limbs for joy.
It's all kenobis fault even though it was anakin and his troops that stormed the temple.
@the zman she was meant to be the female Vader of color that got hold back by her superiors and, other than Vader, could find her redemption without help. Rey>Luke.
Reeva>Vader.
Baby Leia>Obi Wan.
Bo Katan>Din
Sniper girl>Boba Fett
Female>male.
Kennedy>Lucas.
Only question left is who will get the better of Han Solo, oh wait this also was Rey with being a better pilot and knowing the falcon better than the guy who flew it for decades and repaired probably every part of it.
Rey=Kennedy 👸
Keep in mind that even the 10-year-old little girl they got to play Leia thought the Austin Powers hiding under a trenchcoat thing was so stupid that no one would believe it.
The writers are literally stupider and more incompetent than a ten-year-old.
The Force ia strong with her
i just can't believe the writers are getting paid for this shit... And how can the director see this scene and be like "yes this would work in real life!"
@@facuez99 "Somehow this will work"
As a father I can confirm that virtually all 10 year olds are incompetent
That was such a Looney Tunes moment I can't believe it passed through EVERYONE in Disney. Like concept artists, wirters, animators, storyboarders, VFX crew, cinematographers, editors, producers... seriously none of these people thought about that it might look a bit ridiculous?
That Leia chase scene? That was legit one of the most embarrasing things I've seen on TV. Nickelodeon had better action than that.
One of the most rediculous and embarrassing things I have ever seen in my life.
I feel so bad for that child actress
Honestly that chase scene completely took me out of the show. It is a horrible scene.
And then the scene where he tries to hide her under a long coat. Like really? That's the best they could come up with?
The Home Alone movies were like 1000x more realistic and believable lol
People saying Vader "loves the chase" can't be familiar with the character. There was an entire f-ing trilogy that was basically about Anakin being told he was too inpatient. The guy spent three movies getting into trouble by being impulsive.😁
Mentioned that yesterday. Vader barely shows any emotion other than hate or anger. The closest I have ever seen him mess around with an enemy was his duel with his son Luke when he threatened to turn Leia if Luke wouldn’t which backfired on him quite a lot. Other than that I haven’t seen Vader do much manipulation or toying around with lives like his master. He was usually dead serious and didn’t have much patience after losing nearly everything that he once cared about.
Thank you for actually acknowledging the Mandalorian cracking. Pretending that Lizzo cameo wasn't anything more than cringe is lunacy.
Exactly bro I'm so happy other people think it's cringe they're just trying to get Lizzo fans to watch Star Wars, like stop trying to get a new audience and try to keep your old audience!
It should not be possible to have a filler episode in an eight episode season. That should not be scientifically possible, it's mind boggling
@@cooliostarstache5474 wasn't basically everything besides like first and last episode per season filler in Mando? It's been a while now since I watched it, but I remember everything in between basically being like Power Rangers, basically an episodic monster of the week random stuff that doesn't move the plot at all.
Ewan McGregor admitted that it was supposed to be a show about Obi-Wan and Luke. Then Kathleen Kennedy did what she always does and insisted it be about Leia and "Reva."
This idiot better hold on to her job as best she can, cuz she's gonna be working ice cream stalls after this. She is single-handedly and intentionally disassembling the Star Wars franchise until we won't have a single piece of quality content, watching us fans eat each other up so it can finally die.
We demand *art*, not this stupid political and feminist agenda crap. It does not work anymore. I like keeping up with the goings of the world via afternoon news, I don't need that crap *everywhere*.
@@newsbender he probably didn't want to "walk" from a fat paycheck or get sued for breach of contract.
@@newsbender not breaching your contract doesn’t mean you have no integrity
A lot of recent Star Wars material just seems to not have a direction, there is no foresight with the stories being created the “and then X happens” really does show.
The girl power theme is beyond played out. KK at least make it good and entertaining like Kill Bill!
You know it’s bad when both Obiwan and Vader became side characters in their own show.
Underated comment. This Is so true.
Obi-Wan and Vader are legacy characters (also white, straight and male), which Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm especially hate. There was never any doubt they'd become side characters to women and POC'S.
The bait-and-switch trope has to STOP!
Boba fett weeps as he reads this
@@KnotJuly comments don't have rates shutup bot
I hate Disney for giving us a Kenobi series based between episodes 3 and 4 AND starring Hayden and Ewan YET SOMEHOW they still made it shit. It’s actually kind of impressive how they managed to make it a bad show with the material they had to use
its pretty impressive how this comment makes no sense
@@TheOnlyB345T I completely understand the comment, wdym?
@@ceesvanrijckevorsel8454 bruh the first sentence make no sense
@@TheOnlyB345T it does make sense bro
@@TheOnlyB345T yikes the education system really failed you huh
The dumbest thing is that Reva survived. She was in like five different situations where there’s no reason she should’ve survived.
They wanted to make a Reva show but it got canceled
Maniacally laughing
@@nickjcirillo that makes sense
I watched the entire show but I can't remember Reva. Who was that again?
Edit: never mind, I've seen some other comments and remember her now.
White the comedian at 15:00???
If you’ve played “Jedi: Fallen Order” you’ll realize that whoever wrote this show plagiarized that games major plot pieces and used them here. A lot of the same comparisons being: a jedi character regretting/suffering failures of their past, bringing in a knight sister with an underlying personal vendetta against the character, using the underwater imperial base and recycling the SAME EXACT tactic of using the force to break the glass to flood the base to escape, etc…. There’s so much plagiarism that it’s pathetic. They couldn’t even do it properly.🤣
Now that you put it like that it does make a lot of sense
holy shit, didn't make that connection since i thought well since both were canon to SW universe might be coincedence but yeah you're actually right. The plagiarized it to the bone and failed to see why it actually paid off just like how *spoiler alert* and why Cal lost his connection to the Force and why he chose to live in exile, they're the exact same parallel
@@akmalrusydi2730 attempting to make Reva seem as morally grey as Trilla was in Fallen Order was such a dud. Reva’s hatred’s towards Obi-Wan makes no sense because it’s not his fault Anakin murdered her Jedi peers. Trilla’s motivation makes sense where she’s not just operating as a mindless sith inquisitor to complete her objective and retrieve the holocron, but her vendetta against Cere made more sense because Cere was actually her master and felt she was to blame for her suffering.
What's worse is that this show takes place after that game, and yet the security on the base is probably even worse than it is in the fucking game. Let's ignore whatever fuck happened inside the building and remember that the planet was blockaded by a fleet of Star Destroyers and the snow speeders still somehow managed to slip through. Oh yeah, where are Tie Fighters and reinforcements at the end?
They tried so hard baiting with the fan service and this time it wasn't just bringing back Mando or Ahsoka. It's poorly attempting to recreate the plot of the game.
yeah what was happening in the writers room? were they smoking crack and meth the entire time until the day of the deadline and just threw some shit together?
From what I've heard from the writers of the show, the last scene between Vader and Obi-wan was written the way it was because the writers thought it would be clever if Obi-wan didn't know Vader's true identity until the face reveal. Despite the fact that in Revenge of the Sith, Obi-wan saw a holo-recording of the emperor referring to Anakin as Vader almost immediately after slaughtering the younglings.
Yes but that would imply they bothered to watch anything anakin or obi wan related prior to writing this
That literally means they have not taken the time to re-watch the material they are using for building blocks to their franchise. How do people get hired to make money only to make decisions that cost alot of money??
It also makes the whole “When we last fought I was mere but a student, now I’m the master” line from Star Wars 1977 even more dumber now because the added battle was so unnecessary. It worked great with the prequels because Anakin was still the student to his Master Obi Wan, and now as a new creation… Vader is “a master of evil”
The fact KK is still leading Lucas film, let alone even associated with it, is beyond my comprehension.
She probably has damning blackmail on Disney bosses
She had no jurisdiction over Kenobi lmfaooo
Reva should not have had such a major role in the show. The whole reason people wanted to watch this show for Ewan and Hayden.
Well nowadays, these studios think they need a black character in order to be successful. Honestly they only added her for diversity, the story wouldve worked without Riva. And i think thats more insulting to the actress and black audiences than not including such a character at all. Almost like an afterthougt "better add someone black or we are racist"
@@TheDBZtler I mean Blade was cool because he was played Wesley Snipes. Not because he was *black*.
@@ggt47 Blade is completely different, without him there would be no movie. But Reva? Nah the series worked even without her and she honestly stole a lot of focus off of Obiwan and Vader
Gotta love that lightsabers are purely non lethal weapons, and that they don't horrifically kill and dismember people
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Until they do
unless its relative to the plot of course!
Imagine purchasing an IP like Star Wars, and fucking it up. That's a legacy you change company names over.
I mean really, star wars was the IP equivalent of a license to print money, and Disney burned it to the ground.
The worst scene for me was when Obi-Wan, the greatest defensive duelist of all time yet a mediocre force user, lost to Darth Vader in dueling but beat him with force powers.
He should've been absolutely destroyed by Vader in both categories
@@Bane520ehhhh, Obi could stand his ground against Vader
@@RightFootCreep Fuck no he couldn't
@Bane520 Yes and no against obi, wan he lost because he was conflicted (another example of bad disney writing), but yes, he is better in saber combat and force ablites his lightsaber form isnt a single form its all forms (execpt maces) making him the best duelist in cannon
Who cares? We got strong female leads, and one was black! …said no fan ever.
Sad we can’t say she’s a terrible actor without getting called racist
Oh, go right ahead. She's a terrible actor. She's abysmal. Awful. Miscast in, well, anything.
She’s seriously quite bad in it, though. Maybe that’s also a writing and direction issue. I’m sure it is. But, she’s still bad.
No she, the actor, is a damned racist. Her piss poor acting sets black people behind. And playing the race card as a shield is just obnoxious.
She’s the racist. The woman had the audacity to say “you’ve got talking droids and no people of color. It’s 2022”. Like, Lando, Mace Windu, Cere(Jedi Fallen Order), Trilla(Jedi Fallen Order) and all those other characters from the Mandolorian like Finnic and others just don’t exist? She’s a moron.
@Donald Jr Trumpy With Daisy Ridley it’s a little harder to tell. In her defense, Ridley very clearly and very publicly *despises* the Disney films and has been consistent with showing her particular disdain for the writing in the movies, especially after Episode IX was completed. Look at some of her interviews released around that same time and you’ll see what I mean.
Now, of course, Ridley still agreed to be involved, but I suppose it is hard to blame anyone for accepting a large Disney paycheck.
With regard to her acting chops, we can say with a certainty that her work in Star Wars indicates almost no presence of talent or ability. But is that really her fault? I’m not sure, and you’ll have to make your own judgments. Those films were so sublimely awful, the stories and accompanying dialogue so childish and atrocious, that I frankly doubt anyone could have made the material look good. I think she’s probably a middling actress at best, and thus had absolutely no hope of salvaging Disney’s ungodly mess.
Because of her involvement in Disney’s attempt at Star Wars, she has become a polarizing figure amongst cinema fans. Therefore, her paucity of notable roles outside Star Wars can probably be attributed to other studios’ resultant hesitancy to touch her (again, because of her performance in Star Wars).
The other possibility is that she does in fact just suck. Look at her opposite lead in the Disney films - Adam Driver. His career took off in spectacular fashion after Episode VII. He is clearly a remarkable and capable actor. Driver’s post-Star Wars success when compared to Ridley’s makes me conclude that she’s probably just average to poor in terms of appeal and ability, regardless of how divisive her involvement with Star Wars was.
Edit: It is also worth mentioning that Driver’s character and performance seems to have been received much more favorably than Ridley’s. Studios and casting directors are probably sensitive to this fact and are therefore less timid about hiring Driver, whose star status seems to have been enhanced by his involvement with Disney Star Wars. In fact, Driver may very well be the only one of the leads in the entire trilogy whose career benefited. Which again would suggest that he is a cut above the others in terms of acting ability.
“Disney is reaping the rewards, a dying franchise.”
You reap what you sow, after all
Vader couldnt pull down the second ship because his ability was on a 20 second cooldown
My husband said something a few months ago that made me laugh when we were watching Kenobi having to turn the volume down while Turd Sista was screaming.
He said he doesn’t mind that they have certain criteria for roles, but why do they have to cast such awful looking terrible actors. Do we get Beyoncé or Halle Berry or Vanessa Williams or Pam Grier? No. We get Leslie Jones and Lizzo.
6 months later, what do we see? I couldn’t stop laughing. I didn’t even know who Lizzo was when he first mentioned her.
It’s as if once they decide the type of actor they want, they no longer care about ability or talent. That is how we’ve arrived at such a sad state of affairs.
Tragic part is how we live in a time when we'd get called out for stating facts. We'd be told to shut the heck up and that we're being fatphobic. Heck, I'm fat, but I'm doing what I can to stay healthy and eventually lose weight properly. Everything is so sensitive these days. The thought police has gotten into everyone. And, yes, I do not find Lizzo attractive whatsoever, and it should be normal to be able to state that.
I consider this to be the same as the whole emasculation of men. An entire generation of women are teaching men to be betas but they’re not actually attracted to them. Look at the men that we actually hook up with. We are still attracted to strong confident men. We are creating a society of ineligible partners. I don’t know why we would do that but that’s what women are doing now.
All of these stans and beta orbiters and suck-ups that defend their favorite girly TH-camr, none of us would ever date one of them. It’d not an attractive quality. Just look at who Amouranth is actually sleeping with. He may be a bad example but because he is a piece of s…..T. My point is that no matter social engineering is going to make an unattractive person or unattractive qualities attractive.
So you can have all the campaigns you want about being attractive at any size but, that’s not going to get you any more dates. It doesn’t make ugly people less ugly to put them up on a poster.
Pretty soon we will be canceling people because they are not attracted to uglies. This is already happened in the xrans community where certain activists already want to have the right to bullying you to partnering with them. It’s sheer insanity.
The bottom line is if I want to see a bunch of ugly people I can just go outside. That’s not what I watch movies and television for.
Leslie Jones at least is a comedian. Whether you think she's funny or not is a different conversation, because there are those who don't think Bill Burr is funny, but he's a comedian and he was in the Mandalorian.
Jack Black is a comedian, Christopher Lloyd is a comedian. Lizzo is just... a singer, and not even one that is trying out to be an actor like Harry Styles. Very strange casting choice
I still laugh at the part where Leia is getting chased through the woods
What confused me the most is how the third sister even knew that kidnapping Leia would draw Obi-Wan out of hiding.
"Lets kidnap this random princess on some random planet and hope that Obi comes to save her"
Like what?
Someone pleases explain how she knew
The (dumb) explanation the show gives is that in “the archives” (whatever the fuck that is), Reva found evidence of the relationship senator Bail Organa and Obi Wan had. She assumed kidnapping Leia would make the senator ask for Obi Wan’s help.
@@christopherramir yeah thats actually such bullshit 💀
Its just such an unrealistic shot in the dark
Or the fact she she somehow knew Luke was Vader son. She used context clues that only a select few ppl know about
Obiwan Never Met Leia. After that, there is no point to the Kenobi show. I cannot understand why more people don’t talk about this!
Because they eat up this feminist agenda garbage and think it’s the best Star Wars has ever been.
Watching Disney Star Wars feels like trying to make an abusive relationship work.
So… like playing It Takes Two?
There are good moments (Bad batch S2) but its at the point where your friends are already telling you to leave that man and find someone who appreciates you
Seriously after Boba Fett, Mando S3 and this show
Star wars is dead and now they're making a Rey trilogy.... yeah no thanks
@@cloudshines812it takes two is awesome, don’t judge it
@@RedDeadDepressionist Its a great game. But the issue was how the ending of the game forced the two abusive parents to make up in the end and it just felt too quick
@@cloudshines812 i agree the ending is the weakest part
The Leia chase scene was like one of those straight to DVD sequels to Disney Channel movies.
Kind of surprised that Reva didn't claim the last name Skywalker
well she CAN claim another great jedi's name! just add an N
Reva surviving not one but two stabs by a lightsaber is so stupid
Not just that but surviving it when she was just a fucking child
The entire show was an embarrassment… from Leia being annoying to Reva being the second trashiest Star Wars character (congratulations! She almost tied Rey!)
The only reason this show was tolerable was the return of Ewan Mcgreggor and Hayden Christian’s
They deserve better. Hayden especially
Only to debase them both
But that’s the thing. It wasn’t tolerable
The comments are the truth! Those guys deserved way better than what they got.
It wasn't enough. I wish they had the stones to turn the show down.
It’s unfortunate how Disney has truly ruined Star Wars. You know it’s bad when the story for Fallen Order/Survivor is better than majority if not all of the stories Disney has put out for the franchise.
Its not that hard to be better than disney stories but the games were amazing
That’s because it told it’s own story without creating plot holes in the canon. They either should have continued the story without contradicting anything that’s happened in the previous films or told a completely new one that isn’t completely connected with the Clone Wars or the Rebellion against the Empire. Sure both are mentioned in Fallen Order but they aren’t the main conflict whatsoever.
It was incredibly stupid for Vader and obi wan to fight, it never should’ve happened. It ruins the fight in episode 4, and even so, Vader should’ve easily won. And he did, but obi wan couldn’t die because of plot.
I can see a reason them fighting, cause vader shouldnt stopped looking for kenobi all those years, but the way they did it sucked, and yeah, vader definitly shouldve won easily
@@MrWord283 No hell no in absolute way or form should these fights have ever existed. An absolute fucking joke. No reason for them ever to be seen again until episode 4, this show goes to defile great characters.
@@BeautifulMan4015 although I agree it shouldn’t happen, there a couple of lines in original trilogy that supports a rematch after episode 3. Like the one where obi wans says that he is more machine than man, and if you remember, as far as obi wan knew, he just let anakin die in mustafar. The other one is when Vader says to Luke “obi wan once thought as you” about having the “good” in him, and that’s something that never happens in episode 3. I mean, that’s why I can see it happening but I would have preferred not
@@MrWord283Why would he have kept searching? He spent close to two decades hunting down every single Jedi alongside hundreds, if not thousands, of Stormtrooper companies. Sure, Obi-Wan was the greatest defensive Jedi to exist, but even Yoda would have died if he hadn't gone into exile, which only happened because Bail Organa was there to save both. Since Vader had no clue that Organa not only was a Rebel sympathiser, but also smuggled high-ranking Jedi, he simply assumed Obi-Wan had died due to the entire galaxy hunting him.
@@memememe609 like I said, I’d prefer they never encounter, but there’s a couple of lines in OT that supports that encounter between episode 3 to 4, so, if they had done it right, the rematch MAYBE it could have worked, but sadly it didn’t in this context
The most painful, painful part about all this is seeing so many people defend bad choreography, poor writing, memberberry pandering, and all other forms of madness spilling from Disney's blackhole of idiocy.
Agreed. They still do this. They’re actually excited for the new announcements. Star Wars is dead and Disney killed it.
@@brianeubanks3842, the only Star Wars product left I have some faith in is Jedi: Survivor, but I'm actually afraid that it might go full woke with its story. Worst part is these clowns will still eat it up even if that worst case scenario does occur.
@@PsychoRavager Eh I doubt it. First of all the game is going to be 70 dollars which is absurd and even Fallen Order was decent but suffered from so many bugs and glitches that made the game almost unplayable and inexcusable. (PS4 Version Especially)
@@cloudshines812, played the PC version, and never experienced any bugs or glitches. But I actually do agree that this upcoming sequel might be something that'll end up bad. And I sadly wouldn't be surprised anymore. The state of mainstream entertainment these days is just appalling. From steep prices to unfinished broken messes.
@@PsychoRavager I can’t even lie freind Jedi fallen order was not that good
Here, couple of facts about Obi-wan Kenobi:
- It was meant to be movie trilogy.
- Female lead Sith. Reva? Was not meant to be in movies. She was put there because Kathleen Kennedy.
- Movies was meant to be Obi-wan journey to becoming old hermit, crazy old man jedi who is capable of killing or at least cutting arms In the middle of public cantina.
- Movies would have feature Darth Vader hunting Obi-wan Kenobi as he was his obbession, but they would have never actually met.
- Movies would have had flashbacks between Anakin and Obi-wan.
- Movie trilogy turned into the TV show, because Kathleen Kennedy wanted strong female character. As a lead role.
Why do leftwing extremists have the right to dictate everything when things like Star Wars were meant to be escapism.
Would've rather wanted 6 hours worth of movies than 6 hours of Reva doing dumbfuck parkour on a roof, Leia being chased by thugs in a walking speed and whatever fuck happened in that Fallen Order fan-bait episode.
the BEST thing about the Kenobi show:
Ewan McGregor came back as Obi-Wan, Hayden came back as Anakin, and Liam Nesson as Qui-Gon.
That's it.
the part of him grabbing the wrong ship is even more stupid because hes a force user. He shouldve easily sensed wich ship had lifeforms on it and wich was empty lol
13:50 I genuinely *hate* the cliche of the spy or traitor pulling rank to get somewhere they're not meant to be. I've seen full bird colonels get turned away from secure facilities because their credentials weren't in order or on file. Your rank doesn't mean jack versus someone charged with protecting a secure location.
This mini-series proves that Count Dooku (Darth Tyranus) was right calling Obi-wan a moron constantly in the AOTC and Clone Wars. Also given how much he trolled Anakin, Dooku was right about him too apparently.
Darth Tyranus was ahead of his time.
no, Dooku was awesomem but this show was just trash fanfiction
The wise old mentor from A New Hope has been turned into a dumbass who blurts out Leia's name in front of stormtroopers and attempting to sneak her out of the Inquisitor's base by hiding her under a coat only to be caught red-handed. Obi-Wan of all people didn't foresee that consequence. That's the state of Star Wars canon now.
They managed to make both Ben and Vader weak and stupid. I guess characters can only ever be as intelligent as their writers.
Between 10 year old Leia outsmarting a fucking JEDI MASTER at every turn, Reva screaming at everything and everyone within a 30ft radius of her at any given moment, and the fact that lightsaber wounds are now the equivalent of a papercut... it's safe to say that this was some of the most embarrassing, contrived, idiotic bullshit I've ever seen from a big budget TV series. Only Disney could manage to completely fuck up a series about Obi-Wan, Darth Vader and the Inquisitors
As a black woman, I have to question the choice of hairstyle for Riva or however you spell her name.
I was done with Star Wars after The Force Awakens, but I love watching TH-camrs roast the Disneyfied franchise.
What's up with the hair?
@@Ergeniz I assume that its not really practical in a lightsaber duel nor during a war scenario
You left the fandom that early?
I think Disney, genuinely, has a vendetta against the character of Luke Skywalker
They have a vendetta against male characters, that's why they are now always focusing on the least interesting and more supportive female characters like Leia and Rey, and I could name more but I honestly dont remember and dont care to research, like the black lady of the kenobi show, the little kid and more recently Sabine. I have nothing against women being the protagonists but it has to be done right and you can NOT disrespect the old characters and lore. Mainly the main character of the original Star Wars, that being Luke Skywalker, in order to make your new female characters better in comparison. THIS DIRECTION IS TRASH!
@@MrEstrela12 Completely agree. nothing wrong with female protagonists, but it has to be done right. To be honest I'm glad Disney is dying. They deserve it after all the crap they've done and caused. Their pathetic agendas will cost them dearly
@@gaudiestivy4297Disney is making a Cult of Witches.
@@treystephens6166 unfortunately
@@treystephens6166"Disney is making a cult of witches"
Bro how did you predict The Acolyte?
The mismanagement of arguably the largest IP in history, being absolutely smashed into the ground feels like it will be a case study in the future.
For years I really hoped for a KOTOR adaptation, now I fear they'd actually do it
NO DONT UTTER THOSE CURSED WORDS ONLY LUCAS CAN BRING LEGENDS TO FILM
The "female antagonist" Ravanna, or whatever the hell her name is, was the worst part about the show. The character doesn't fit at all into Star Wars. It felt like an underqualified diversity hire given an opportunity they didn't deserve, metaphorically of course. Nothing about her made sense. At first she was the scorned woman consumed with anger and hatred for Obi Wan. Then it turns out she is wanting revenge on Vader who she has been trying to please through exacting mayhem and carnage on any jedi she can hunt down. It made no sense. Unless of course Disney is injecting more feminism into Star Wars by creating a jedi female antihero for fans to ultimately reject and hate. By the end of the series that's exactly what it looks like. Why the hell would Vader leave her alive after she betrayed him and tried to kill him? Yet in many other instances Vader would kill his subordinates for simply delivering bad news. RIDICULOUS
Post Script-
I actually watched this video because I was curious if anyone else hated the feminist propaganda in the series, as well as the whole Disney Star Wars franchise, as much as me. I CANCELLED my subscription 30 min ago.
She's actually a pretty good actor but there's only so much you can do with a shitty director and retarded writers
Disney must be stopped. They can't keep ruining our favorite movies and shows 😢
“THEY CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!”
- Jesse Pinkman
"I know we said 'no communication', but your *silence* worries me." You CANNOT make this shit up.
Reva was so embarrassing, I can only imagine that her tenure as an inquisitor was entirely because Vader knew who she was and what she was doing, and just let her think she was succeeding all as the greatest long term prank in Star Wars history.
Besides Order 66, of course.
This was literally the worst show I've ever seen in my life. I was in disbelief watching it week to week how it just got worse and worse. I immedietly lose respect for anyone who appreciates anything about this show.
I loved how the hyped up Obi Wan v Vader fight that literally breaks canon but whatever, is just Vader shitting on Obi wan till he gets an anime powerup, where Obi wan then beats the shit out of Vader with no resistance, to act like Vader couldn't stop any of those rocks while having just shown him stopping an entire ship is crazy.
it's not superhero or skywalker fatigue, the fans are done with them producing content the fans don't want to see.
Part of the problem yup
more destroying our beloved franchise
We're lucky Obi-wan didn't suckle on the breasts of an alien.
It could've been a spiritual journey, and a simple story of Kenobi protecting Luke's identity, and learning that Anakin had survived as a mechanical monster.
He could've tried finding or communicating with other Jedi only to comprehend they really were all dead.
He could've accepted how badly he'd failed Anakin, and the Republic, allowing the Sith to return.
Kenobi could've reflected on the arrogance of the fallen Jedi order, and through his new-found humility met the ghost of Qui-Gon.
He could've learned through Qui-Gon how to become one with the force upon death, knowing that one day he would have to face Vader again, and die in that fight in order to help Luke overthrow the Empire, and restore the Republic.
Instead we got him working as a butcher, and a pointless showdown with Vader where we already knew the outcome, Inquisitors that nobody cared about, and a child that could outrun adults because they were outsmarted by branches.
Fucking woeful.
Star Wars fans *don't* deserve better. They've been gobbling up this slop for 8 years and defending it along the way.
Those aren’t fans those are critics trying to like what’s getting shoved down there throat and if you say anything negative about it they start insulting you and tell you every single slur
@@Kriplingpowr I want to agree with you, but there's swarms of these people defending every wet, runny shit that pours out of the mouse. This includes social media, and a great deal of people I've met in my day-to-day life.
@@brentreimer6411we must run into different star wars fans cause all of them I run into hate all of it except rouge one and some of them andor
@@nathancarter7020 an unfortunate symptom of where I live
@@Kriplingpowr With Star Wars films' box office and viewership figures, man, there's a lot of critics out there.
I love how the writers of Obi Wan neglect the fact Leia NEVER met him before A New Hope, like the line during her hologram where she says "Years ago you served with my father during the close wars" basically confirming that was the first time she had ever spoken to him directly albeit through a message she wasn't sure would reach him.
I said that in the first episode. I couldn't believe they would do something so stupid but then again it's Disney. I'm hoping the Ahsoka show is going to be good.
@@Snatchystashy Just stop watching the shows, stop giving them numbers and money.
The entire point of the message is that she’s reaching out on behalf of her father and by extension on behalf of the entire rebellion
@@Snatchystashyit's not xddd
@@yusouph2002 It wasn't up until the last episode. I actually did enjoy that.
I got banned from r/StarWarsMeme for making a meme about how a Twitter post by Disney was blaming all the criticisms about the show on racists & sexists... No one was criticizing the show because of Reva's skin color and they were just mad I pointed this out.
PS: The Grand Inquisitor (despite his horribly inaccurate make-up) was the only one who should've been able to survive a stab to the gut.because of his 2nd stomach
I literaly had to deactivate my tw acc because I dared to critisize Disney so yeah I get it
@@svetlanaandrasova6086you can’t reason with Disney or Disney adults
A plot hole that jumped to my eyes with the last episode : How the fuck did Reva get to Tatooine? Every ship was destroyed, the empire left her stranded...
And still, she managed not only to heal herself, find a ship, but arrive there much faster than Obi-Wan who basically made a straight line to Tatooine, with only a pit stop to humiliate Vader on the road...
Star wars died the moment George put pen to paper on the sale of his I.P. I like to blame Disney but George isn't innocent here. He literally sold out. He gave away his heart and soul for a billion dollars and the corporate world is squeezing every last drop of blood they can out of it before it all goes dry. Your childhood ended long ago and so did star wars.
Now, I don’t remember where I got this information but I have heard that the biggest reason George Lucas sold his company to Disney (Star Wars with it) is because he was scared his company was going to go bankrupt and he cared a lot about his employees and didn’t want them to loose their jobs. That’s why George specifically sold it to Disney, because Disney, in his eyes, is the only company that will never go bankrupt
@@elpoodoo3099 I mean it's certainly possible. Lucasfilm hadn't done anything serious in about a decade, a lot of the games released in the mid 2000s were okay or good, but LucasArts had at least two times as many duds as they did successes most years. The franchise certainly wasn't selling lots of toys either with Marvel drawing the attention of most children.
It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas had enough to keep the lights on for a few years, but not enough for any serious projects by the time he sold to Disney.
I haven't seen this show and I have no interest in seeing it.
But upon learning Vader was in it, and would meet Obi Wan, I immediately thought: "This totally ruins the impact of them meeting again in A New Hope, also causes the 'When I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master' line to have no real meaning anymore"
Woke Disney writing is possibly the worst thing to ever happen to their history and legacy overall. It hurts them and Star Wars
expain to me how its woke?
Woke means being aware and attentive to important societal facts and issues, mostly regarding race. But sure, keep being a bigoted pile of shit.
@@resention8230 No woke means liberals who can’t take jokes 😂
@@antwan883 No, it really fucking doesn't. Quit being a glue eating moron, quit defining your life based on your idiotic politics, pick up a book, and actually LEARN one thing in your life.
@@resention8230 make it entertaining first then after that if you have time put your messages into it.
Disney ruined every character and every franchise I’ve ever loved.
yeah fuck disney
I think the biggest difference between Kenobi and Mavrick is that Kenobi is banking off the viewer reminising and catching references. Meanwhile, Maverick was banking off the characters reminiscing about their pasts. They are investing in their hisotry, and thus we share the connection with them.
While Kenobi jangles some keys and then sticks its hand out for rewards
The presence of Riva when a lightsaber just couldn't kill her is satirical
I knew this show was shit when Kenobi defeated a fully trained Darth Vader after barely being able to move a tiny rock with the force, meanwhile Vader has been slaughtering Jedi and other foes the last 10 years and embracing his powers. Plot armor at its finest. I think they should have had Vader win, it would tie into episode 4 perfectly when Vader said "When I left you I was but the learner now I'm the master" implying that Vader defeated Obi Wan but was too weak to kill him and in episode 4 Vader was finally willing to kill Obi Wan.
When your short paragraph is loads better than what a million dollar studio could put out. Nice!
i love star wars and the original characters, but god damn this show was ASS
At this point, if we never received another piece of Star Wars media, I’d be at peace with it
at this point it is more fun to watch the critics take apart the shows than watching the shows themselves. if you want to know how much Disney loves cameos, watch the twitter reactions on the reveals. Those are more important to Disney than making good shows that stick around for more than 1 or 2 seasons
As a huge SW fan I have mastered a new ability. Ignoring Disneys canon when watching a Lucas SW. it helps.
Is it possible to learn this ?
@@Fiilis1 not from a jedi....
Lazy writings are all the rage nowadays. The root cause of the problem makes it worse when mixing with a certain hidden agenda like female first & what not.
My biggest annoyance with this show was how many times they BLATANTLY copied Jedi: Fallen Order. Lost connection to the force from PTSD, catching Leia from falling thus using the force for the first time in a long time, almost the ENTIRETY of the Fortress Inqusitorius break in. I understand that Fallen Order is a game, so less people would know it compared to shows and movies, but since the game is considered canon, its funny to think Fortress Inquisitorius got a downgrade in security😂 The only reason I watched the whole show was because of my deep love for Ewan and Hayden…
That’s what Disney does best, putting cheap ass nostalgia and callbacks over good storytelling and character development
>a show about Obi-Wan
>made him a complete wimp, which is NOT his personality
>replaced him with a woke female char that nobody likes
>she, a Jedi, fought Darth Vader with intense hatred. Not single Jedi did that.
Bruh!
Edit: This is NOT EVEN Darth Vader, either. Everyone knows he'd kill his subordinate if they failed once due to sheer anger, yet instead, he's toying with her? And how dare her think she could have a chance to kill Darth goddamn Vader, anyway? is that black armor guy Darth Vader, or Emperor Palpatine?
Just watch Star Wars Visions. As much as this show is non-canon, it still feels like Star Wars, unlike this pile of vomit hell.
I made it through one episode. That was all I could take. I wish the people still holding out hope would break out of their denial.
I made it up to the episode where Vader and Obi fight. When Vader shows up and do Darth Vader shit I was like, ok... maybe this show has some hope.... then fights end happened and Vader just lets him get away and I was like, "Nope.", and stopped watching.
casting an indian guy to be the scammer is almost as on-the-nose-hilarious as it is casting an israeli guy to be the martyr is ridiculous-hilarious
"Guys, you deserve better than this"
Fu** no, they don't. Defenders of this embarrassment deserve The Acolyte, the new Rey trilogy, and also Dial of Destiny. That's what they deserve.
I'm still laughing hard at Reva's very unnecessary backflip while she's pursuing Obi Wan lol
I told my friend before Kenobi released “This show will make of break Star Wars. If they mess this up, there’s no coming back.” - Unfortunately, I was right. Friends have begged me to watch Andor but for me, it’s too late. I’m done. They somehow managed to take me, a LEGO Star Wars set collecting, wookiepedia reading, Star Wars obsessed super nerd for two decades, and turn me off of Star Wars entirely.
At first I was frustrated, then annoyed; but now, now I’m just completely indifferent. I went from cheering for announcements to rolling my eyes to now not reacting or even knowing about them at all. I just don’t care anymore. The moment they retconned 40+ years of Star Wars content and trashed Lucas’ own story for the sequels, it was over.
dont know if you ever ended up watching it but Andor is easily the best disney era star wars show and most star wars fans will agree. check it out, its seriously worth the watch
The sadest thing about all of this is that some people didn't realize this show was horrible until they watched your video.
Emperor Palpatine coming back was the moment that all of Star Wars post George Lucas died. Literally -- by that one simple action, all of what we had seen beforehand was completely null. The prophecy rang untrue, and therefore undid quite literally every action any character in this series had ever fulfilled.
Legends brought him back 3 times
This show only proves why fallen order was so good. It did everything this show tried to do but incredibly better.
I saw that chase scene, turned it off and cancelled my D+ subscription.
We all know this show could have and should have been a film and that it should have been a dialgoue-heavy, character-driven story about Obi-Wan coming to terms with everything that happened and learning from Qui Gon
Reva: the strong female character so beloved, the official Hasbro crowdsourcing of her lightsaber failed miserably to get funded so it got canceled
Damn, it seems almost kinda sad how Ewan McGregor puts his all into acting FOR THIS
Obi-Wan's one job: watch Luke.
Immediately leaves to mess about with Leia.
In my opinion, the plot of this show would've made more sense for Ahsoka Tano rather than Obi-Wan.
Instead of an Obi-Wan Series, why didn't they just make a Vader series based on the comics they themselves made? Or better yet, leave it.
What a waste of Ewan McGregor. Need I say more anyone? The question we should be asking is does mcgregor do the best with what he is given? The prequels are somehow better. Also can we all agree that this show is non canon?
Kenobi was godawful. They demasculated Obi Wan. A little girl was smarter than he was. They did the Skywalker thing with Obi Wan. They destroyed him. Disney will burn in hell for what they did to the Star Wars franchise.
24:50 I swear, the writers could've done it so that vader holds onto the ship where obi wan is with force, but that inquisitor girl attacks him from behind so he has to let go of the ship in order to defend himself. I am a child and I thought of this immediately, was this series written by mentally challenged baboons or something?
Bro that is actually genius, you don't need to change the writing for that scene like that, only the sequence. At least that way it would've added drama and made it make sense.
I'm still surprised though, why is no one talking about how just a bit earlier in that scene, dozens of troopers all attacking simultaneously couldn't overwhelm a very lame Kenobi & like 10 more dudes that were on his side. The troopers were literally centimeters away with a blaster from Kenobi like wtf 😭
@@PolarisYun they even could've let the inquisitor hurt vader a little to show how distracted and careless he was because of kenobi
I was thinking the same once I looked back at it, it makes a cool scene have substance because she would have broken Vader's concentration once he was being surprise attacked and made one of the most obnoxious characters of the series have a redeeming action more substantial. These writer's need to be checked like, have someone prove read or something before releasing this shit 😂
It would have been fantastic if Obi-Wan discovered Vader's identity by himself, instead of just being told. He could have gone out to confront this Sith Lord with swagger and overconfidence, only to realize exactly who he was facing. It would have been emotionally devastating for him, and that could have led to some great character moments. But no. Can't have that.
While I like that idea, it wouldn't make sense since Obi Wan knows that Anakin is Vader thanks to the recording he saw at the Jedi Temple in Revenge of the Sith. In it he hears Palpatine call Anakin "Lord Vader".
Edit: Unless you are saying he hears about a new Sith Lord but doesn't learn of the name until way later. In which case, yea I'm with you that would've been great. And I just lack reading comprehension skills apparently.
In Legends, he learns that Vader, or Anakin, survived their duel by merely hearing some random people mention Darth Vader in some cantina on Tattooine and he nearly lost his mind over it that he went out to catch some breath. He then heard Qui-Qon talking to him, so he had to find somewhere private to talk so that people won't think he's insane.
It was completely unnecessary. It did really nothing to advance a story since you knew the ultimate ending and the "sassy" leia was just terrible all together. The main character (yes i said it) hates families and kills them to get to a place to get revenge on Vader.... for killing her firends and family yrs ago. Um... wtf sense does this make? Ends justify means?
andor is one of the best star wars projects you can watch and all bc how bad kenobi did, No one watched it.
last time obi wan and anakin fought obi wan sliced 3 of darth vaders limbs of and set him on fire then left him to die so there is no way that darth vader would have let obi wan go.
people shitting on these shows is far more fun than the shows could ever be.
a member berry cake is not the same as a new cake with a member berry or 2 on top. i wish more people, both audience and writers, would understand it.
These DEI hires are terrible storytellers. The rough diamonds are being overlooked and coal is being chosen to flourish. It's partition trophy winners running these movie studios now.
I see what you did there 😂
And the turd on top, they stole the helmet getting cut to show Anakin's face from the end of Rebels season 2 were it actually had real emotional weight behind it.
This is how logic DOESNT work:
bail organa doesnt hear from obi wan----> obi wan could have been captured----> he sents him a message to a device that could have been confiscated by Vader---> in that message he reveals the location of the only hope the galaxy has to overthrow palpatine.
I really hate this logic, "I will hunt jedis and kill them because im mad Vader killed my jedi friends"
I mean, it's a pretty common Sith apprentice backstory, what with the Dark Side being a corruptive force. The writers just failed to recognize that this makes the character _evil,_ lol.
They should make a show about Luke when he was a teenager and how him and his friends sit around a round table in his uncles basement and the camera pans around each character while they’re laughing and making jokes. One of them can be a dumb jock and the other can be an exchange student from Mexico. And then there is this girl who is kind of a tomboy but she’s hot and Luke has on a crush on her, and then there could be another girl who is cute but bubbly. Oh yea and there could be one more friend who is kinda cool but might sell drugs on the side and then years later he is the leader of a Mormon church but goes to jail for accusations
That star wars show
The funny irony is the actress that played Leia even said she thought most of her scenes were idiotic. Like the hiding under Obiwans big ass Imperial Jacket. Yeah even a 10 year old thought that shit was stupid. This show was hot garbage and a giant waste of Vader and Obiwan.
I absolutely hated the character of Reva. She added absolutely nothing to the plot or story for Obiwan. But the idea alone of her surviving not one but two lightsaber stab wounds by Vader is just tough to swallow that logic. The writers of the show are nothing but a joke. Nostalgia can be a useful tool but you gotta be a clever writer to pull it off.
Agreed. Apparently getting fully gut stuck with a light saber means nothing. What a joke.
@@xavierbreath2227 Pretty much. Unfortunately.
From what I know about Vader, he does not "love the chase". He's always been brutally efficient and uncompromising. He's also shown to be quite intelligent throughout the series. This show nerfs Vader in every way except for his force abilities
Reva is up there with jar jar with worst star wars characters.
Why?
@@kayindaiske did you watch the show?
Worse in my opinion