Gut it like the old one and see if you can get a 10.5x or even better! 😀 Maybe make a video explaining just how the sexy buttons&your extensive racing experience allows one to optimize running good drag times for a tesla model 3? 👍🏻
Finally finally finally someone who is smart and thorough gives us the data we all wanted. Thank you so much!!!! I have the gray with white and I had a 2018 gray with white that I traded in. This thing is INSANE! I clocked 2.91 with rollout at 52% soc and it blew my frickin mind. I use a Racebox Mini btw.
@@joematarazzo1597 I had a 2022 Model 3 Performance before. It was quicker than other 2022 Model 3 Performance cars because of the wheels I had but it wasn’t anywhere near as quick to accelerate as this new car.
@@LearningFast even in the way that it feels? Wow, super exciting! I’m to take delivery in two weeks, can’t wait. This video was incredibly insightful, particularly the power curve analysis; always felt that the 2018 performance felt flat past around 60 MPH.
I think i just found a gold mine of information and delivered on a silver plate here. Thank you so much for the excellent reporting!! I'm thinking of upgrading in a year or two after this car comes with front bumper camera and slightly more range. Also thinking of running the exact same wheel setup as you are for efficiency.
How you don’t have 100k plus followers is beyond me. I’ve been watching your videos for almost 3 years I think and you provide the information necessary for us people who care about 1 tenth of a second. Also, I’m in England and we have been screwed with the new 3 Perf… I’m absolutely gutted!!! Although, I am back out for a five day Plaid loaner from Tesla, but I think it’s slightly out of my budget and the steering wheel is on the wrong side haha
This video was freaking GOLDEN! Excellent work❤🎉 I now know that what I have been saying and feeling are entirely accurate as I just went from a 23 M3P to a 24’ a couple weeks ago…
Thank you for the video. My EU spec 0-100km(slip) you showed in the video. The performance difference makes me want to cry. Considering we are paying much more for the car here as well. Those are some crazy numbers you got
It really is unfortunate that the cars in the rest of the world are crippled by the battery. It makes it a much tougher decision to buy one of those. It still is a great car but not nearly as good as the US version.
On a side note has anybody noticed that the Warp wheels make clicking sounds when driving slow? The sounds come from the wheels and I'm sure it's due to the aero covers. You can really hear them if you're in a covered parking garage.
i went fully electric 2 years ago, my moms car is a bmw i3 rex and indrive a 2019 LR model 3 , my sister is looking to trade her ford bronco for a Hyundai ev or a mustang mach e , my next veichle i want this the 2024 model 3 ludacris i will save money to buy this one used 4 or 5 years down the road whenever they go down in price to the low 30's thats the sweet spot for me when it comes to paying for something and receiving something in return , my last high performance vehicle was a 2012 gt500 e85 fully built pushing 800rwhp , it gave me the fun i wanted and the sounds my ears needed but now im a little older and wiser and now i want to go fast in a ev i love all cars im what you call a true car enthusiast
Would love to see more races against other vehicles, and previous Gen M3P (multiple runs if possible, ive seen like maybe one or two total on youtube so far) Your videos are thorough and much appreciated thank you for this data, i have the old gen m3
@@Nate7700 nobody wants to run against me. Almost every single pass I have run has been solo. Everyone waits for the next pass instead of lining up against me.😉
@LearningFast isn't the whole point to race other cars (win or lose) when you are at the track, I wonder why people do that lol I've experienced that as well
@@Nate7700 yes, certainly you want to race other cars. However, at Test and Tunes you try to optimize the car so that on race days when people can’t duck out from racing you your car will get the best times.
Dude -1.03 is severely downhill. Even .50 can change a time by up to .2 of a second. That 10.75 time is more like 10.95 and that's being generous. GET REAL!
@@G82Watts you are just simply wrong. I invite you to come out the track sometime and actually experience what you are so wrong about. If you are ever in Maryland or Virginia you can definitely come out and see how quick this car really is.
@LearningFast dude u go to every single video and type the exact same comments yet no one that has tested the model 3 performance STOCK has ever got a 10.75 which ONLY U claimed u did. U clearly like u said in ur video use 18s all around (which make the car look even uglier then it is) lightweight wheels and u remove the back seats. It's just embarassing at this point. Ur that ins1cure. Now that everyone knows tesla isn't fast anymore compared to other cars ur stuck with an ugly plain jane basic traffic car.
@@G82Wattsa 45k car competing with 90k+ cars is crazy. Best performance car for the money. Stop being a hater most cars with 6 figures can’t even hit 10 secs. It’s a great bargain for less than 50k. It also handles well on the track as I went to laguna seca. And for 100k less you can get a plaid beating super car or even hyper car level.
Thank you very much for this superior Video with all the stats! This is super helpful eventhough our Cars in Germany Are super Limited by their battery
For this car to be running pretty close to the MS LR I knew it had to have at least 620hp. The MS LR is running 130mph traps with 670hp and 60-130 in 7.5s.
@@Dunnohowtodraw yes, it has a far superior interior. It is more efficient. It looks better in my opinion and the stereo is far superior. However, when it comes to acceleration of the LG version it is only quicker from 0-40 mph and not much after that.
Could you put some information on where to get the sexy buttons. a wedsite and install video possible. For the new 2024 Tesla model 3 performance Highland ?
Great video. I'd love to see your detailed approach applied to a report on the car's handling. I had a 1998 BMW E36 M3 once named by Car and Driver magazine as "The Best-Handling Car at Any Price." My 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance is just as good and I think that aspect of the car deserves more coverage.
Excellent video, lots of data well presented and tightly edited. Well deserved sub. Side note, I'm glad to see my 2019 MSP is still quicker. It sucks enough already, being underwater on it. Would hate to see it beat by a 3!
Totally, in fact we love the car and it treats us great. The only issue has been depreciation. And that only happened because new Tesla prices got slashed, otherwise they had been keeping their value well up till then. I think they will continue keeping their value now that Tesla can’t bring down prices much more.
When you bought the T-Sportline wheels did you buy their TPS sensors or another brand of Sensors. Because their sensors are very expensive and was wondering if you went with another brand of TPS sensors if so which ones and if you could put a link to them.
@@curtspray I bought the T Sportline wheel and tire package that comes with their sensors. With the discounts they typically run it was a reasonable price.
If you wanted to optimize performance, which tires would you go for? Also, do you think they could release a "ludicrous" mode and get more out of the battery or is it capped already?
Battery is at the limit already. There won’t be any performance improvements for this car from the battery. I would go for a tire like the Michelin PS4S for street use or a dedicated track tire if you are doing serious track racing.
@@LearningFast I just checked my max discharge value at 81 SOC and around 51 C battery inlet and it peaked around 442 KW and even with the battery temperature in the high 30s it stayed around 439. Is there a reason I can't seem to get 450-460 KW max discharge like you have, or is it just because I'm 81 SOC and not 95?
@@MrGunner121 inlet temperature is meaningless for what you are looking for. You have to get the battery temperature closer to 50 degrees C for max “Max Discharge” value.
@@LearningFast Yeah, after getting around 50 degrees C battery temp, I noticed a difference and even got a 2.97 0-60 without rollout at 72 SOC, however, the max discharge value didn't go over 440 on the s3xy button app. Is this normal and should I expect close to a 460 KW max discharge if I'm near a full charge?
Ive got a 2021 M3perf im seriously thinking about upgrading this quarter with the FSD transfer and the 7500 tax give im looking at 24k for the highland. Even though im waiting on the CT once they are done with the foundation I really think nows the time to move on the highland if im really going to update , you may have just pushed me over the edge on it. thanks !
I know I'm a bit late, but how about the ride quality? Does it become that much better? Is it comparable to the long range? I only ask because in the new performance I feel a bit bumpy with the small imperfections in the road . . .
@@alial-malki2577 with the 18” Hankook tires ride and especially sound quality is drastically improved. The ride quality improves noticeably but the low frequency hum from the road noise is almost completely gone. I just can’t go back to the 20” wheels now because the car is so much more comfortable on 18” wheels and these Hankook iON EVO AS tires.
@@-MAZ- this is the wheel and tire package I use. tsportline.com/collections/18-inch-tesla-model-3-aftermarket-wheel-tire-packages/products/ts5-tesla-model-3-18-inch-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4?variant=44367429370145
What's a good option to go down to 18". Is it a 235 square setup? Edit: wow it is a square setup and your efficiency gains are exactly what I'm looking for! Love the staggered setup stock but don't need the ultimate performance it gives for a daily driver. Would rather have more comfort/efficiency and the ability to rotate tires. Thank you for the great information!
Check out T Sportline’s website. They have a lot of great wheel and tire packages and you can get the Ultra Efficient Hankook iON EVO AS tires from them.
@@LearningFasthow do you not have traction issues when running a square 235 setup with all that power? I have a 255 square setup on dws’ and it still concerned about traction. 🤔
@@LearningFast Thanks, I was thinking about doing the same. Did you get a new set to tpms sensors for the new wheels? Did you feel that the cornering ability is affect much with the new wheel?
@@ericxu518 yes, I bought the wheel and tire package that comes with TPMS sensors. I don’t drive the car hard in corners so I am not the best judge of that. I certainly wouldn’t pick efficiency all season tires if that was my priority. However, I still have the stock 20” wheels if I wanted to do road courses or auto cross.
I’ve been waiting for your update on the 2024 M3P. I modified my 2022 MP3 after watching your video and the car underachieved the same gains. Cant wait to get the new one and see the run times!
@@STREETFIGHTER50 it would depend on whether I was trying for efficiency or acceleration. I would go really narrow for ultimate efficiency and keep the tires inboard. I would go as light as possible for acceleration.
@@LearningFast I would like to go as quick as possible in the 1/4 & mostly DD. Maybe some cruising/spirited driving once in a while up in the foothills… I can keep the stock wheels for later if I decide to autocross it one day.
@@LearningFast got my 2024 model 3 performance today and there is only a 12 volt power outlet in the console , and 2 C type under the rear screen for the back seats.
Great video with lots of good information 👍🏻 I live in Sweden in Europe. Do I get a much slower verison of the car if I buy one? In Europe we measure 100-200 km/h times. How did your car perform in 100-200 km/h?
Thanks for your detailed info, I’ve got the Chinese built one as I’m in Australia, It’s very well built and hopefully they will unlock some battery power at some point to bring it up to US spec. Thanks for doing your runs on drag strip and not on the street too, way too many people are doing “test” for acceleration and “handling” on public roads and it’s only a matter of time before grip turns to slip and slip turns to shit.
Wait what sized wheels and tires did you go with? I went with 18s on my 21 performance but the staggered setup now has me confused with the new wheel and tire setup I’d run on the 24
That is actually the main reason I swtiched to the 18s. The ride quality is SOOOO MUCH better than the 235/35/20 tires that come on the car. The noise is suppressed much better too. I am going to do a video on this soon.
Terrific video and information! I've been waiting for this! Two questions: based on the dyno results, if you were to be asked what the HP of the car actually is, like a single number, what would you say given your results? Second, are the hanook wheels forged? Do they have performance tires that also EV based for better efficiency? And finally, how is the tire noise compared to stock? I'm wondering if the Tesla-specific tires have sound dampening that the Hanooks might not have. Are they pricey tires/wheels?
The actual max HP of the car is 615 US HP(~627 metric HP). My wheels are not forged and they weigh about 22-23 lbs. 18 lb forged wheels might make the car even quicker. Hankook makes a summer version of the tire I have. Those iON EVO summer tires offer even more performance with slightly less efficiency. The 18” tires I have offer a much smoother ride and vastly superior noise suppression. They have the foam and it actually does work better than I thought it would.
@@LearningFast awesome, I'm thinking about eventually getting these 18 iON EVOs in a 265 square setup (assuming I can run 265 up front, happy to get any advice about "proper" front wheel size). I'd probably get all-seasons so I can eventually just keep them on all year or something. Is there a more "performance" version of the AS you have or is yours the best performing they make? How's the cornering/handling compare to the stock 20s, should I decide to do any twisties etc.? I'm hearing that the 18s bring the range up to LR levels (~340 miles under the new EPA cycle).
Fascinating video The HP maintained at a longer MPH range I found particularly interesting...as an owner of a 2024 Model Y Performance, is this just a function of mostly software allowing it to hold power for longer or is it entirely the newly designed motors?
@@airgunningyup almost nobody has tested it. There is so much negative publicity around Tesla right now because of Musk that the magazines have basically black balled the car.
This is the video I was waiting for! Well done! Was the efficiency # with stock 20" wheels with or without the aero parts? Do you have efficiency data both with and without aero?
@@JonathanGurgul Is your car a US based car with the better Panasonic battery? I weigh just over 200 lbs. Extra weight definitely will make a difference. Make sure you don’t have heavy objects in the Frunk or Trunk too. I am uploading a video explaining how to run 10.8s in the 1/4 mile with this car and a 200 lb driver with no extra effort at all. Look out for that video. That may help you run quicker times.
Nice video, this is what I call professional, haha. qq - have you tested the heating up speed between putting the car in "insane" mode vs. manual/routing to supercharing pre-heating the battery?
Nice. no problems with the brake discs' size? I think they are 365mm front? So around 14.3 inch. I think winter tyres in 275/30 R20 are going to cost a fortune.
@@ThePredatherion I have a 2021 M3P as well and was about to order the new performance when I saw its 30% faster but I’m shocked you were underwhelmed.. could you tell me more? Deciding between it and the plaid
@@THExKINGxKINGx Well for one it's not 30% faster, not even the US-made one. Maybe 5-10%. But the Shanghai one I test drove feels identical to my 2021 M3P in terms of power, it is really bottlenecked by the battery it seems. The handling is super impressive though, it's a major difference with my M3P but I don't do race tracks or anything so it just doesn't matter to me that much. I'd much rather have the luxury, comfort and power of a plaid model S. If you want a nimble car you can throw around, get the new M3P.
Curious if you noticed a major comfort difference with the taller tires/smaller wheel set up? I'm already amazed at how smooth it is with 30 & 35 series tires with the stock set up, but I'm definitely contemplating getting a set of 19", square set up from T-Sport Line when I run this factory set down. Not sure if I'll be able to tell with a small drop in wheel size but squaring up the wheels and tires to allow for more practical tire changes/rotations and what not. I'm not as worried about corner handling...I like being a Red Light/Stop Sign slayer 🤣Great video! Look forward to more testing!
@@LearningFast I've heard that low rumble, but I thought I was trippin'. Oddly though, it was only on one freeway here in So Cal. As soon as I took the interchange it stopped. And my normal commute it doesn't do it. It almost sounded like it was a V8 with a deep low exhaust just cruising at 70mph or so. But I never found the V8 making that noise. That's funny. I've been trying to have it replicate, but good thing it was only on that 15 mile section of freeway. Great insight!
I am so tempted to cancel my Cybertruck Beast,and buy the highland as I have FSD in my Model 3. Tesla is letting owners that have the FSD until August 31 2024 to transfer FSD to any new purchase of a Tesla 3,Y,SorX
@@curtspray in my opinion the Highland Model 3 Performance is a much better vehicle than the CyberTruck. I wouldn’t hesitate to get the Model 3 instead.
@@LearningFast My only Delima would be it being to fast I know that sounds silly but I would have to learn all over again where to slow down to run 7.50 index and or 12.0 index races.and Sportman bracket races has a cut off at 11.50 . but really thinking about it as I am 250k on the waiting list. for the CT
jesus, almost had a datagasm, so much to absorb. awesome job! Based on what you know, and considering you haven't dinoed it, can you make an educated guess as to how much horsepower it makes at the wheels?
Hard to know what it would dyno at the wheels. Based on the 10.75 1/4 mile time it would be well over 550 WHP for the ~4,050 lb weight of the car. The calculators say 577 Wheel HP for those 1/4 mile times.
At least 613 US HP to be precise. I think there is some regulation or something they are trying to avoid. Maybe they just want to make the Model S LR look better than this?
Track mode actually makes mine slower it's actually faster right off the supercharger at 90% if I'm not at a supercharger I can navigate towards 1 to warm up the battery that makes it faster.
Hello, technicallity, but Teslabjørns previous tests measured 3PH to 3.23 without rollout. The older models he measured .2 to .4 seconds slower without rollout. I know you tested yours quicker, but maybe you used a track with better traction, lighter wheels etc? He does his tests on the street, no prep surface. I also had a 2019 3P and even with forged rims I was unable to get it below 3.4~ 0-100 without rollout subtracted. Be aware these tests were done then in Norway, we dont typically have very warm weather. So you then need a lot of preheat in Norway to get full performance and I bet even tires would like warmer air. But the new one is quicker than the old one, if you just go out and drive, by 0.2 to 0.4 seconds in Europe. And it should be said I think most difference will be above 70-80 km/h, as the front motor can give more power below, where as the new rear motor can yield power up at higher ranges. So I think (just a theory) that the new will be at least 0.6 seconds quicker to about 200 km/h without rollout subtracted, maybe even a bit quicker. The car also feels quite different, mind you it's been a while since I drove the 2019 3P, but a friend of mine is still driving h is 2021 3P on KW V3 and forged wheels. I also had forged wheels and KW V3. But we feel the new car is more rwd biased and he also said it feels more "smooth" at limits of grip. We dont think the performance difference in Europe alone may be enough to think it's "insane", your USA car is quicker. That is not a doubt. But what we mostly thought was missing in the old 3P was the suspension (it was very crashy/bumpy) and noise insultation. Now Tesla has fixed both those, and even more things. So the car is way better than before, even though the EU accelleration is not night and day better (but it is some better, as measured by Teslabjørn).
Amazing breakdown - Thank you ! I just wish someone would do the same for the non-US version we get over here in the Netherlands. I've held off on replacing my 2020 M3P with a new one due to the 460 vs 510hp variants Tesla are making q.q hoping that they do something or make some change so that the cars are aligned in spec.
I have video up YT on my channel but no technical details as such and it is with a EU spec. It's not even remotely close :( to the US spec But I have 0-100, 0-200, 201m 402m th-cam.com/video/5QFfv3fAlTc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bWr41g-Epfqk2auM
Let me know what videos you want to see next.
Gut it like the old one and see if you can get a 10.5x or even better! 😀
Maybe make a video explaining just how the sexy buttons&your extensive racing experience allows one to optimize running good drag times for a tesla model 3? 👍🏻
Do an efficency test mix ciry/hwy and also straight hwy.
Put 235 19 martian wheels in and see if smaller setup gets more efficient.
Ideally a range test for highway speeds above 75 mph on stock wheels
Got to canada and test it against an LG version !
Efficiency test on stock wheels vs your 18s?
Finally finally finally someone who is smart and thorough gives us the data we all wanted. Thank you so much!!!! I have the gray with white and I had a 2018 gray with white that I traded in. This thing is INSANE! I clocked 2.91 with rollout at 52% soc and it blew my frickin mind. I use a Racebox Mini btw.
It really is crazy how fast this thing is even with very low SOC.
What an awesome car, and not just for the price. I'm wondering if diff tires could improve times much more than that.
Was your 2018 a performance as well? How would you say the acceleration compares?
@@joematarazzo1597 I had a 2022 Model 3 Performance before. It was quicker than other 2022 Model 3 Performance cars because of the wheels I had but it wasn’t anywhere near as quick to accelerate as this new car.
@@LearningFast even in the way that it feels? Wow, super exciting! I’m to take delivery in two weeks, can’t wait. This video was incredibly insightful, particularly the power curve analysis; always felt that the 2018 performance felt flat past around 60 MPH.
This is the type of production level we want. Amazing work!
@@supermam3114 thank you very much.
Amazing amount of meaningful data and well organized - thank you
Glad it was helpful!
This is a such a good review that's got all sorts of new info about the car that I've never seen. Really great job 👍
Nice work! these new M3Ps are certainly tempting! Really appreciate all of the data. Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
I think i just found a gold mine of information and delivered on a silver plate here. Thank you so much for the excellent reporting!! I'm thinking of upgrading in a year or two after this car comes with front bumper camera and slightly more range. Also thinking of running the exact same wheel setup as you are for efficiency.
How you don’t have 100k plus followers is beyond me. I’ve been watching your videos for almost 3 years I think and you provide the information necessary for us people who care about 1 tenth of a second. Also, I’m in England and we have been screwed with the new 3 Perf… I’m absolutely gutted!!! Although, I am back out for a five day Plaid loaner from Tesla, but I think it’s slightly out of my budget and the steering wheel is on the wrong side haha
This video was freaking GOLDEN! Excellent work❤🎉
I now know that what I have been saying and feeling are entirely accurate as I just went from a 23 M3P to a 24’ a couple weeks ago…
Love the extra details and info . Keep up the good work . And thank you for making my 22 m3p feel like a slow pos now lol.
If ~11.5s in the 1/4 mile is slow then that doesn’t sound so bad to me.
Lol
Thank you for the video. My EU spec 0-100km(slip) you showed in the video.
The performance difference makes me want to cry. Considering we are paying much more for the car here as well. Those are some crazy numbers you got
It really is unfortunate that the cars in the rest of the world are crippled by the battery. It makes it a much tougher decision to buy one of those. It still is a great car but not nearly as good as the US version.
So the fremont m3p is much better then the one from shanghai right ?
So the m3p from fremont is mich better then the one from shanghai ?
@@JGallo53 the Fremont one is much quicker than the MIC one.
@@LearningFast great ill make sure my Tesla dealership gets me one from Fremont and not Shanghai 😂👍
Thanks for this been waiting three weeks.😮
Good things come to those who wait.😉
@@LearningFast great video you posted. Thanks for the detail. It was informative.
On a side note has anybody noticed that the Warp wheels make clicking sounds when driving slow? The sounds come from the wheels and I'm sure it's due to the aero covers. You can really hear them if you're in a covered parking garage.
All the Tesla Aero covers do that- have a 2023 Plaid and once I removed them , the noise was gone.
I had the same issue with mine when I had the stock wheels still on it. Removing the wheels or the Aero pieces is the only way to fix it.
Great Video buddy! Definitely wish we could still test those out with the Plaid at the regular drag strip!
i went fully electric 2 years ago, my moms car is a bmw i3 rex and indrive a 2019 LR model 3 , my sister is looking to trade her ford bronco for a Hyundai ev or a mustang mach e , my next veichle i want this the 2024 model 3 ludacris i will save money to buy this one used 4 or 5 years down the road whenever they go down in price to the low 30's thats the sweet spot for me when it comes to paying for something and receiving something in return , my last high performance vehicle was a 2012 gt500 e85 fully built pushing 800rwhp , it gave me the fun i wanted and the sounds my ears needed but now im a little older and wiser and now i want to go fast in a ev i love all cars im what you call a true car enthusiast
Thank you for this in depth analysis
Would love to see more races against other vehicles, and previous Gen M3P (multiple runs if possible, ive seen like maybe one or two total on youtube so far) Your videos are thorough and much appreciated thank you for this data, i have the old gen m3
@@Nate7700 nobody wants to run against me. Almost every single pass I have run has been solo. Everyone waits for the next pass instead of lining up against me.😉
@LearningFast isn't the whole point to race other cars (win or lose) when you are at the track, I wonder why people do that lol I've experienced that as well
@@Nate7700 yes, certainly you want to race other cars. However, at Test and Tunes you try to optimize the car so that on race days when people can’t duck out from racing you your car will get the best times.
Love the hard facts! Thank you. Debating wether to make the jump from my 21 Performance with 110kms
Impressive ET and mph. What's up with the track being slightly downhill?
@@ms3ben all Dragstrips are slightly downhill. They are allowed to go up to -.99% downhill and that is precisely what this one is.
Dude -1.03 is severely downhill. Even .50 can change a time by up to .2 of a second. That 10.75 time is more like 10.95 and that's being generous. GET REAL!
@@G82Watts you are just simply wrong. I invite you to come out the track sometime and actually experience what you are so wrong about. If you are ever in Maryland or Virginia you can definitely come out and see how quick this car really is.
@LearningFast dude u go to every single video and type the exact same comments yet no one that has tested the model 3 performance STOCK has ever got a 10.75 which ONLY U claimed u did. U clearly like u said in ur video use 18s all around (which make the car look even uglier then it is) lightweight wheels and u remove the back seats. It's just embarassing at this point. Ur that ins1cure. Now that everyone knows tesla isn't fast anymore compared to other cars ur stuck with an ugly plain jane basic traffic car.
@@G82Wattsa 45k car competing with 90k+ cars is crazy. Best performance car for the money. Stop being a hater most cars with 6 figures can’t even hit 10 secs. It’s a great bargain for less than 50k. It also handles well on the track as I went to laguna seca. And for 100k less you can get a plaid beating super car or even hyper car level.
Is there a noticeable difference in ride quality/noise with the 18s vs 20s?
@@hengloose yes, ride comfort and especially noise are greatly improved. The 20” wheels just have such a harsh ride feel.
@LearningFast I figured. So tempted to trade my dual motor in 🤙🏽
Thank you very much for this superior Video with all the stats! This is super helpful eventhough our Cars in Germany Are super Limited by their battery
Glad it was helpful!
For this car to be running pretty close to the MS LR I knew it had to have at least 620hp. The MS LR is running 130mph traps with 670hp and 60-130 in 7.5s.
Subscribed. Perfectly delivered all the knowledge one could wish for about the new M3P
Great stuff ! Thanks for gathering these data and sharing them
My pleasure!
Love your content! Subbed!
Is the car any better than the 2023 here in australia? We don’t get the panasonic battery.
@@Dunnohowtodraw yes, it has a far superior interior. It is more efficient. It looks better in my opinion and the stereo is far superior. However, when it comes to acceleration of the LG version it is only quicker from 0-40 mph and not much after that.
Could you put some information on where to get the sexy buttons. a wedsite and install video possible. For the new 2024 Tesla model 3 performance Highland ?
@@curtspray this is the website for the S3XY buttons.
enhauto.com
Great video. I'd love to see your detailed approach applied to a report on the car's handling. I had a 1998 BMW E36 M3 once named by Car and Driver magazine as "The Best-Handling Car at Any Price." My 2024 Tesla Model 3 Performance is just as good and I think that aspect of the car deserves more coverage.
Spitting facts from start to end. Nice
Not all hero’s wear capes….Excellent Video and Analysis
Excellent video, lots of data well presented and tightly edited. Well deserved sub.
Side note, I'm glad to see my 2019 MSP is still quicker. It sucks enough already, being underwater on it. Would hate to see it beat by a 3!
@@thedownwardmachine those older Model S cars were pretty quick.
Totally, in fact we love the car and it treats us great. The only issue has been depreciation. And that only happened because new Tesla prices got slashed, otherwise they had been keeping their value well up till then. I think they will continue keeping their value now that Tesla can’t bring down prices much more.
I'd like to see a vid on taking a new 3P to a 1/4 mile track and what you do as far as SoC, heat, etc for someone that's never done it.
Ive been waiting for this video. Very cool info
More to come!
Excellent video, love all the dry data. Can you share your tire pressures both for 1/4 mile runs and efficiency testing? Thanks !
42 PSI cold all the way around for everything. However, when it was 150 degrees F at the track they were showing 46+ PSI because it was so hot.
When you bought the T-Sportline wheels did you buy their TPS sensors or another brand of Sensors. Because their sensors are very expensive and was wondering if you went with another brand of TPS sensors if so which ones and if you could put a link to them.
@@curtspray I bought the T Sportline wheel and tire package that comes with their sensors. With the discounts they typically run it was a reasonable price.
Can you give more details on the wheel setup...?
I’m wondering how my 19” vr forged 9.5” on 255/40 conti extreme contacts are going to handle the power…
If you wanted to optimize performance, which tires would you go for? Also, do you think they could release a "ludicrous" mode and get more out of the battery or is it capped already?
Battery is at the limit already. There won’t be any performance improvements for this car from the battery. I would go for a tire like the Michelin PS4S for street use or a dedicated track tire if you are doing serious track racing.
@@LearningFast I just checked my max discharge value at 81 SOC and around 51 C battery inlet and it peaked around 442 KW and even with the battery temperature in the high 30s it stayed around 439. Is there a reason I can't seem to get 450-460 KW max discharge like you have, or is it just because I'm 81 SOC and not 95?
@@MrGunner121 inlet temperature is meaningless for what you are looking for. You have to get the battery temperature closer to 50 degrees C for max “Max Discharge” value.
@@LearningFast Yeah, after getting around 50 degrees C battery temp, I noticed a difference and even got a 2.97 0-60 without rollout at 72 SOC, however, the max discharge value didn't go over 440 on the s3xy button app. Is this normal and should I expect close to a 460 KW max discharge if I'm near a full charge?
I haven’t seen anyone do a dyno yet.
I think someone did one but they don't do well on traditional dynos because Dyno's can't typically handle their low end torque.
What’s up brotha. Ah man you got yourself the new M3P 👏 hell yaaa.
Ive got a 2021 M3perf im seriously thinking about upgrading this quarter with the FSD transfer and the 7500 tax give im looking at 24k for the highland. Even though im waiting on the CT once they are done with the foundation I really think nows the time to move on the highland if im really going to update , you may have just pushed me over the edge on it. thanks !
It really is worth the upgrade in the US. Not so much in the rest of the world.
I know I'm a bit late, but how about the ride quality? Does it become that much better? Is it comparable to the long range? I only ask because in the new performance I feel a bit bumpy with the small imperfections in the road . . .
@@alial-malki2577 with the 18” Hankook tires ride and especially sound quality is drastically improved. The ride quality improves noticeably but the low frequency hum from the road noise is almost completely gone. I just can’t go back to the 20” wheels now because the car is so much more comfortable on 18” wheels and these Hankook iON EVO AS tires.
Can you please post a link to the tires and rims you have? Awesome video, btw!
@@-MAZ- this is the wheel and tire package I use.
tsportline.com/collections/18-inch-tesla-model-3-aftermarket-wheel-tire-packages/products/ts5-tesla-model-3-18-inch-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4?variant=44367429370145
@@LearningFast Fantastic. Thank you. That's what I was looking at as well with Hankook tires.
What's a good option to go down to 18". Is it a 235 square setup? Edit: wow it is a square setup and your efficiency gains are exactly what I'm looking for!
Love the staggered setup stock but don't need the ultimate performance it gives for a daily driver. Would rather have more comfort/efficiency and the ability to rotate tires.
Thank you for the great information!
Check out T Sportline’s website. They have a lot of great wheel and tire packages and you can get the Ultra Efficient Hankook iON EVO AS tires from them.
@@LearningFasthow do you not have traction issues when running a square 235 setup with all that power?
I have a 255 square setup on dws’ and it still concerned about traction. 🤔
@@ssssaintmarcus track had decent track prep but it shouldn’t be an issue.
@@LearningFastisn’t it setup for a staggered setup? Wouldn’t squared cause any issues with the AWD since it’s set for staggered?
Thank You! Was there a big difference in ride quality when switching between the wheel and tires?
@@ericxu518 yes, the ride is better but the noise was VASTLY improved. It is so much more comfortable with the 18s.
@@LearningFast Thanks, I was thinking about doing the same. Did you get a new set to tpms sensors for the new wheels? Did you feel that the cornering ability is affect much with the new wheel?
@@ericxu518 yes, I bought the wheel and tire package that comes with TPMS sensors. I don’t drive the car hard in corners so I am not the best judge of that. I certainly wouldn’t pick efficiency all season tires if that was my priority. However, I still have the stock 20” wheels if I wanted to do road courses or auto cross.
I’ve been waiting for your update on the 2024 M3P. I modified my 2022 MP3 after watching your video and the car underachieved the same gains. Cant wait to get the new one and see the run times!
If you were to custom build a square set of 18” forged wheels, would you keep the same 8.5” width and +35mm offset?
@@STREETFIGHTER50 it would depend on whether I was trying for efficiency or acceleration. I would go really narrow for ultimate efficiency and keep the tires inboard. I would go as light as possible for acceleration.
@@LearningFast I would like to go as quick as possible in the 1/4 & mostly DD. Maybe some cruising/spirited driving once in a while up in the foothills… I can keep the stock wheels for later if I decide to autocross it one day.
@@STREETFIGHTER50 go super light with both the wheels and tires. Don’t go wide. Just go light. Light as possible.
What are the 18” wheels you are using on the new M3P?
Question is there a power outlet in the center console, to run camera's and such.
Just one USB 3.0 that I could find. Older cars had two outlets.
@@LearningFast got my 2024 model 3 performance today and there is only a 12 volt power outlet in the console , and 2 C type under the rear screen for the back seats.
@@curtspray there is another type C in the arm rest center console.
Great video with lots of good information 👍🏻 I live in Sweden in Europe. Do I get a much slower verison of the car if I buy one? In Europe we measure 100-200 km/h times. How did your car perform in 100-200 km/h?
@@CarsAndMotorcycles my next video will go into detail about this.
@@LearningFast Okey great! When will it be out?
Awesome video. I got M3P as well. Do you have any idea at what battery percentage it's performance starts reducing?
Thanks for your detailed info, I’ve got the Chinese built one as I’m in Australia, It’s very well built and hopefully they will unlock some battery power at some point to bring it up to US spec. Thanks for doing your runs on drag strip and not on the street too, way too many people are doing “test” for acceleration and “handling” on public roads and it’s only a matter of time before grip turns to slip and slip turns to shit.
My motto is “Take it to the track”. These cars are so fast that the track is the only reasonable place to do these kinds of speeds.
Wait what sized wheels and tires did you go with? I went with 18s on my 21 performance but the staggered setup now has me confused with the new wheel and tire setup I’d run on the 24
Great video thanks for sharing this!
Thanks for watching!
How is the ride quality on 18s vs the stock 20s? Noticeable difference?
That is actually the main reason I swtiched to the 18s. The ride quality is SOOOO MUCH better than the 235/35/20 tires that come on the car. The noise is suppressed much better too. I am going to do a video on this soon.
Subscribed, great analysis!
Sorry if I missed it, what wheels did you get that fit?
@@dv9409 T Sportline 18x8.5 TS5 wheels fit perfectly.
Great breakdown
Terrific video and information! I've been waiting for this!
Two questions: based on the dyno results, if you were to be asked what the HP of the car actually is, like a single number, what would you say given your results?
Second, are the hanook wheels forged? Do they have performance tires that also EV based for better efficiency? And finally, how is the tire noise compared to stock? I'm wondering if the Tesla-specific tires have sound dampening that the Hanooks might not have. Are they pricey tires/wheels?
The actual max HP of the car is 615 US HP(~627 metric HP). My wheels are not forged and they weigh about 22-23 lbs. 18 lb forged wheels might make the car even quicker. Hankook makes a summer version of the tire I have. Those iON EVO summer tires offer even more performance with slightly less efficiency. The 18” tires I have offer a much smoother ride and vastly superior noise suppression. They have the foam and it actually does work better than I thought it would.
@@LearningFast awesome, I'm thinking about eventually getting these 18 iON EVOs in a 265 square setup (assuming I can run 265 up front, happy to get any advice about "proper" front wheel size). I'd probably get all-seasons so I can eventually just keep them on all year or something. Is there a more "performance" version of the AS you have or is yours the best performing they make? How's the cornering/handling compare to the stock 20s, should I decide to do any twisties etc.? I'm hearing that the 18s bring the range up to LR levels (~340 miles under the new EPA cycle).
Also, have you tried the Pirelli AS Elects? I'm hearing they may be pretty much as good as the iONs but with better handling and are very quiet.
@@jonathanguito1168 I haven’t tried those tires.
Fascinating video
The HP maintained at a longer MPH range I found particularly interesting...as an owner of a 2024 Model Y Performance, is this just a function of mostly software allowing it to hold power for longer or is it entirely the newly designed motors?
It is a new rear motor that allows it to hold high power at higher speeds.
THIS is what I needed to know lol... Thank you for the insight
What drag strip did you go to?
@@mountainmantesla4395 the Rock, in Rockingham NC.
So actual stats is 0-60 2.7 and 615 hp?
@@SciolismHD 0-60 mph in 2.6 seconds with rollout which is how the magazines report it. I saw 613 HP at the battery.
@@LearningFast why havent the magazines reported these numbers then?
@@airgunningyup almost nobody has tested it. There is so much negative publicity around Tesla right now because of Musk that the magazines have basically black balled the car.
@@LearningFast gotcha , I drive a 2019 m3p and feel half the negative tesla press is purely political,,
This is the video I was waiting for! Well done!
Was the efficiency # with stock 20" wheels with or without the aero parts? Do you have efficiency data both with and without aero?
Those efficiency numbers are wild! Mine is averaging 290ish Wh/m on the stock 20s…
The Hankook iON EVO AS tires are the real deal for efficiency.
How much do you weigh? I’m getting no better than 2.81 0-60 with rollout and 11.19 1/4 mile at 6’9 and 310 ish lbs.
@@JonathanGurgul Is your car a US based car with the better Panasonic battery? I weigh just over 200 lbs. Extra weight definitely will make a difference. Make sure you don’t have heavy objects in the Frunk or Trunk too. I am uploading a video explaining how to run 10.8s in the 1/4 mile with this car and a 200 lb driver with no extra effort at all. Look out for that video. That may help you run quicker times.
Thanks for putting all of this data together! Definitely what people wanted to see! 🚗🔌⚡️
More to come!
Nice video, this is what I call professional, haha. qq - have you tested the heating up speed between putting the car in "insane" mode vs. manual/routing to supercharing pre-heating the battery?
I haven’t done a direct test yet but I will. Thanks for the idea.
Which tsportline 18" wheels did you use? I wanted to get 18" wheels square for the winter. Wat size tires did you use?
235/45/18 tires on T Sportline 18x8.5 TS5 wheels.
@@LearningFast thx
@@LearningFastSo you’re running squared instead of the staggered factory setup?
Nice. no problems with the brake discs' size? I think they are 365mm front? So around 14.3 inch. I think winter tyres in 275/30 R20 are going to cost a fortune.
This explains why I was underwhelmed test driving the new M3P in Europe last week. Thanks
Underwhelmed? Did you like the plaid more?
@@THExKINGxKINGx Underwhelmed compared to my existing 2021 M3P. Havent driven the plaid yet but yes I imagine that is what I'm looking for 😂
@@ThePredatherion I have a 2021 M3P as well and was about to order the new performance when I saw its 30% faster but I’m shocked you were underwhelmed.. could you tell me more? Deciding between it and the plaid
@@THExKINGxKINGx Well for one it's not 30% faster, not even the US-made one. Maybe 5-10%. But the Shanghai one I test drove feels identical to my 2021 M3P in terms of power, it is really bottlenecked by the battery it seems. The handling is super impressive though, it's a major difference with my M3P but I don't do race tracks or anything so it just doesn't matter to me that much. I'd much rather have the luxury, comfort and power of a plaid model S. If you want a nimble car you can throw around, get the new M3P.
@@THExKINGxKINGxhe’s saying that the teslas shipped from the Shanghai instead of Fremont factory is slower which it is
This is great info, man. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m want model 3 but not know if get performance or awd long or standard
How do you preheat the battery before driving the car?
Just navigate to a Supercharger for about 5-10 minutes and that will heat the battery up for optimal performance.
Curious if you noticed a major comfort difference with the taller tires/smaller wheel set up? I'm already amazed at how smooth it is with 30 & 35 series tires with the stock set up, but I'm definitely contemplating getting a set of 19", square set up from T-Sport Line when I run this factory set down. Not sure if I'll be able to tell with a small drop in wheel size but squaring up the wheels and tires to allow for more practical tire changes/rotations and what not. I'm not as worried about corner handling...I like being a Red Light/Stop Sign slayer 🤣Great video! Look forward to more testing!
Yes, the 18” tires offer a vastly smoother ride and it is much quieter. The 20” tires have a low rumble that the 18” tires don’t have.
@@LearningFast I've heard that low rumble, but I thought I was trippin'. Oddly though, it was only on one freeway here in So Cal. As soon as I took the interchange it stopped. And my normal commute it doesn't do it. It almost sounded like it was a V8 with a deep low exhaust just cruising at 70mph or so. But I never found the V8 making that noise. That's funny. I've been trying to have it replicate, but good thing it was only on that 15 mile section of freeway. Great insight!
Power at the flywheel
Power in the battery is the new Crank HP.
I race 1/8 mile footbrake,index and Sportsman. what was your 1/8 mile times and speed?
6.90 @ 103.35 mph.
I am so tempted to cancel my Cybertruck Beast,and buy the highland as I have FSD in my Model 3. Tesla is letting owners that have the FSD until August 31 2024 to transfer FSD to any new purchase of a Tesla 3,Y,SorX
@@curtspray in my opinion the Highland Model 3 Performance is a much better vehicle than the CyberTruck. I wouldn’t hesitate to get the Model 3 instead.
@@LearningFast My only Delima would be it being to fast I know that sounds silly but I would have to learn all over again where to slow down to run 7.50 index and or 12.0 index races.and Sportman bracket races has a cut off at 11.50 . but really thinking about it as I am 250k on the waiting list. for the CT
@@curtspray normal mode will run 12.0 I believe. You could easily dial in for 7.50 by cooling and depleting the battery.
What rims are those?
@@Ryne785 T Sportline TS5
615 horsepower ?!?!?!
@@Skeetskeet333 I saw 613 HP in my quickest runs but 615 should be possible with a little more optimization in the battery.
Cool data 📈 car rocks 🏎️ so 18s from past gen fit fine ? Looking for a good set to travel far safer thanks luck 🍀
Some 18s fit. T Sportline offers a lot of options and they all fit.
What does it run in "Standard" mode for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times?
With light weight 19" 19lb wheels and one inch shorter diameter tires 275/30/19 squared, do you think the 0-60 will improve by at least .2 sec?
@@wwallace7101 I doubt it. The stock wheels are already light. Those wide tires will be heavy too.
Has anyone tried to buy some tiny drag racing brakes for the rear and put some super lightweight 15" drag wheels/tires on it?
Just removing the seats 💺 would help way more. Traction isn’t a big issue for this car and the stock wheels are actually fairly lightweight.
So they were sandbagging the numbers and teabagging the analysts huh
Great video make this for Lr highland please🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
jesus, almost had a datagasm, so much to absorb. awesome job! Based on what you know, and considering you haven't dinoed it, can you make an educated guess as to how much horsepower it makes at the wheels?
Hard to know what it would dyno at the wheels. Based on the 10.75 1/4 mile time it would be well over 550 WHP for the ~4,050 lb weight of the car. The calculators say 577 Wheel HP for those 1/4 mile times.
Excellent vifdeo!!! thank you for all the info
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. The stock wheels are forged & are stronger than the T Sportline flow forged wheels. ⚡️😎
600 horse power???? Why would they advertise it lower??
At least 613 US HP to be precise. I think there is some regulation or something they are trying to avoid. Maybe they just want to make the Model S LR look better than this?
It’s what the Germans do lol
Fantastic review and info. Thanks, maybe some braking info.
Thanks for reminding me. I totally forgot to talk about the brakes. I should have included that.
Nice work... Feel like selling my 2023 Model 3 LR with AB for the new Model 3 performance
@@robinray692 the new car really is fantastic but you will take a beating on selling the LR. Used prices are still way down.
Amazing ❤ thank you
Why is it always 2022 in every youtube video and not the 2023? 🤔
2022 had Panasonic I gues
Thanks good information👍 the lg battery in europe keeps me away from buying right now. I keep my 2021 model 3 Performance for now
awesome
Awesome video.
Glad you enjoyed it
I knew it. I knew it can be faster than that
Track mode actually makes mine slower it's actually faster right off the supercharger at 90% if I'm not at a supercharger I can navigate towards 1 to warm up the battery that makes it faster.
I knew the advertised HP numbers were not true. Even the LR AWD has more HP than advertised.
Hello, technicallity, but Teslabjørns previous tests measured 3PH to 3.23 without rollout.
The older models he measured .2 to .4 seconds slower without rollout.
I know you tested yours quicker, but maybe you used a track with better traction, lighter wheels etc?
He does his tests on the street, no prep surface.
I also had a 2019 3P and even with forged rims I was unable to get it below 3.4~ 0-100 without rollout subtracted.
Be aware these tests were done then in Norway, we dont typically have very warm weather. So you then need a lot of preheat in Norway to get full performance and I bet even tires would like warmer air.
But the new one is quicker than the old one, if you just go out and drive, by 0.2 to 0.4 seconds in Europe.
And it should be said I think most difference will be above 70-80 km/h, as the front motor can give more power below, where as the new rear motor can yield power up at higher ranges.
So I think (just a theory) that the new will be at least 0.6 seconds quicker to about 200 km/h without rollout subtracted, maybe even a bit quicker.
The car also feels quite different, mind you it's been a while since I drove the 2019 3P, but a friend of mine is still driving h is 2021 3P on KW V3 and forged wheels. I also had forged wheels and KW V3. But we feel the new car is more rwd biased and he also said it feels more "smooth" at limits of grip.
We dont think the performance difference in Europe alone may be enough to think it's "insane", your USA car is quicker. That is not a doubt. But what we mostly thought was missing in the old 3P was the suspension (it was very crashy/bumpy) and noise insultation. Now Tesla has fixed both those, and even more things.
So the car is way better than before, even though the EU accelleration is not night and day better (but it is some better, as measured by Teslabjørn).
Amazing breakdown - Thank you ! I just wish someone would do the same for the non-US version we get over here in the Netherlands. I've held off on replacing my 2020 M3P with a new one due to the 460 vs 510hp variants Tesla are making q.q hoping that they do something or make some change so that the cars are aligned in spec.
I have video up YT on my channel but no technical details as such and it is with a EU spec. It's not even remotely close :( to the US spec
But I have 0-100, 0-200, 201m 402m
th-cam.com/video/5QFfv3fAlTc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bWr41g-Epfqk2auM
@@Themazcorner that's what I was affraid of :( I get teh 2024 non-US version and feel dissappointed as I already thought my 2020 M3P was fairly nippy
Not sure what happened to my reply but I do have video with runs on my channel with the LG chem on the 2024 M3P