Are THESE the cards we've been waiting for?
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The Geforce 3050 and Radeon 6500 XT are coming out later this month, and they look to be everything I wanted. And more! And less. But are they enough to give gamers what they want?...
Check out this video where I like, totally prophecised this moment a year ago: • Holding out for a $200...
0:00 - 50 tier cards
1:11 - Geforce 3050
2:58 - Radeon 6500 XT
6:56 - Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
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Love seeing you running down the street with PC hardware in your hands. Never change
Ikr? I was really hoping he would do it in this video too and I was not disappointed
You probably think he's doing it in the dead of night, but actually it's around 4.30 just after the kids have gone in for tea.
@@matthill94 (breathes heavily)
@@noizeuk Terrorising the Plymouth residents
seconded
"Sort of" and "Probably Not" is some of the most accurate info computer part graphs gave me in a while.
Hahaha super true. There is a concept called truthlikeness. Making a pinpoint claim seems more accurate, but having a proper ballpark interval around it conveys more truth(likeness), since the pinpoint is probably wrong either way.
Ah yes, make the cards bad enough that no one wants them, and they will be available. A bold strategy indeed.
A 3050 is still a MASSIVE upgrade from a 970. If I can get one of these badboys at msrp, I'm golden, because I can nearly triple my grahical output for cheap, then pick up a 4000 later this year at msrp on a waiting list if EVGA lets us sign up for 4000 ques.
i mean, i use a RX 550 and i still can run most of the modern titles.
@@Lucasmenezexx like?
@@Lucasmenezexx No way. I have an 1060 6GB and 1080P lowest on Halo Infinite, big team battles dips to 40fps.
@@Web720 Yeah everyone has their idea of what running means. For me, running means 60+ at all times, other people are okay with console framerates in their pc gaming.
God I really want this situation to be just a laughable memory
In time brother, In time.
The 6500 xt has laughable memory
@@thisaccountisntreal107 4gb is not enough for games in 2021. The 4gb - 6gb was a conversation that we had in the era of 1660 cards. Let's just hope that 6500 is not targeted by scaplers as it is useless for mining.
@@shubhamupadhyay6503 💀
@@santhoshsridhar5887 🗿
The scalpers the miners the expensive retailers, they beated any kind of hope I had in me.
I started reading this in the tune of Yakko's World.
@@uku4171 thank you for your service
@@uku4171 And now, the price gougers of the world, brought to you by:
Yakko Warner!
Stay strong buddy
You're the dorkiness I need in my life to keep me going. I don't know what I'd do with out you
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i burst out laughing at the box opening gag at 5:50
I love how he just ignored the moment and continued talking about the Gpus
we reached a point when a techtuber is reviewing a card with the phrase : "is so bad it might be good" fucking hell, we live in dark times
if you ever mentioned a 50 card from AMD back in 2017, you'll be laughed out of the fucking room
This is just sad. My 1050ti that i already bought used 3 years ago now costs more than even it's price at launch... I don't believe these or any will be the hero cards, just because scalpers are buying everything up, and even retailers are jacking up the prices so much that even buying from scalpers is sometimes cheaper...
Scalpers taking advantage of all markets, new and used GPU prices are jacked.
Yeah it’s insanely stupid, remember in 2017 when a 1050 Ti was a good deal gpu at $150?
Faaack
i bought my 1050ti back in 2017 for less than they sell for new now lol...im still stuck with it too
I built my brothers computer around 2019 with a GTX 1660. The GPU is now worth more then the entire budget we had for his build.
And then add on inflation.
The 3050’s are still gonna get snatched up by miners, because it has enough VRAM to work with the DAG file size for another couple of years. The 6500 XT is purely for gaming, because it can’t even handle the current size of the DAG files, and 6GB cards are going to stop working pretty soon.
In theory, the 4GB cards running FSR can squeeze slightly better looking graphics out of lower resolution textures-so it might not last you another 3-5 years, but it might get you by for another 1-3 years, if you need to ride out the shortages and stockpile a little more money to buy whatever is available at that time.
Fsr is only useful at 1440 or above as mentioned in the video
Which means the only cards you will be able to put your hands on are 6500xt.
I was thinking they made it 4gb for that reason, but i bet they will still all be bought up by scalpers looking for a buck
6gb is expected to last until 2024
@@michaelzomsuv3631 Exactly my thoughts.
8:12 Glad to hear that AoE2 will run well on these new cards
I tried running an ancient copy of AoE2 once during ~2017 and got a glorious 12 fps. I don't think we'll ever get graphics cards advanced enough for such an intense game.
@@CoffeeMaus burn your pc. I played it better than that at release.
@@drowningin Why do you think I ditched the 99 original version?
I played the newest version (at the time) after that, which kept dipping under 50 fps for some reason. Truly, AoE2 is greater than Crysis.
@@CoffeeMaus well I figured it was the ultimate extended new years edition. The original only released with 1 army, the English
@@drowningin Are you talking about the demo? The full paid version came with 13 nations.
That 4gb frame buffer immediately makes the 6500 xt useless for Ethereum mining. That will help quite a bit, but since cards like the RX 580 and 470 4gb are still was above even thier launch MSRP, it's probably still gonna be expensive. I'm guessing you'll have to pay $350-$400 for an rx 6500 xt.
I really hope I'm wrong.
>>> 4gb frame buffer
I was shocked to see those prices. A friend of mine bought a used RX 580 in autumn 2019 for 90 EUR...
If its going to go for $400, there is no way in hell I will pay that. You can buy something better on used marked for this price, even if you overpay.
Rx 6500xt is useless for mining and probably not power efficient, once again AMD. -200$ Lose.
A 400$ card that mines approx. 2$ net per day is gonna pay for itself in ~200d. Win.
"Frame buffer"
I love your hardware videos - your perspective feels truly different compared to larger tech-news outlets. Keep it up :)
@@2kliksphilip Linus if you read this, leave a like !!1!
It's honestly just sad. I bought a 2070 well above MSRP about a year ago, and I would still make a profit if I decided to sell it today
I bought the 1070 in 2017 and could break even today...
My gf's 970 is worth more, than I got for my 980 that I sold 2 years ago
Should have mined on it too, double profit
I tried to sell my 1070 this past summer but couldn’t do it for more than $300 locally. If I wanted to sell it online then maybe, but too much hassle.
@@HaasTheFirst that’s what I did, bought my 1070 SC for $375 in Feb 2017.
Sold it this past summer for $300 cash locally.
Basically broke even, $75 for 4 years of owning a 1070..
I love that you are now also doing sketches in front of the camera. sometimes if there is no one in front of the camera in videos it feels less personal.
That helped the video a ton
Graphic cards are incredibly inaccesible where I live (Turkey) due to conversion rates. Hopefully these will help, even though a 250 dollar graphics card will cost 4500 lira with tax, which is literally the minimal monthly wage.
Just move lol
@@wixardo as if that would be easy
I heard your economy has gone into the sewerage
@@christopherstein2024 unfortunately yes and it won't get better soon.
@@Alok1905 Ah sorry to hear, hopefully Erdogan will remember that things went well when he left the economics to people who actually understood economics, and keep to... whatever he does best...
Graphics card hero… this is just what I needed before starting work for the day. Mild hope on the horizon. Thank you, graphics card hero!
At 107w it will require an extra power cable, the PCIe slot can only do 75w.
Wait what? The 6500xt has 4gb of memory? for a msrp of 200eurodollars. Thats what my 380x with 4gb cost me over 5 years ago. thats stagnation at best.
It's so bad it might be good!
And the 580.
Memory isn't everything??
@@MrFipek19 Memory is however one of the biggest indicators of how well the card would run
@@hoovyzepoot no? Only in regards to certain things is that true. The 780ti isn't exactly faster than the 5500xt 4gb despite having more VRAM.
Love seeing you present your show man, really adds a new dimension to the videos.
I don't see anyone mentioning this. Miners require 6GB of vram for any worthwhile coin. The RTX 3050 also has a 4GB model. I think this is the perfect strategy to overcome the supply issue. Not only would these cards be less of a profitable target for scalpers, but they're surely easier to manufacture in larger quantities and are useless to miners. This could turn the tide.
not true m8. for etherium yes of course but i've been mining raven just fine on my 4gb cards. They just halved the rewards so maybe not at this exact moment but there are definitely others that are worthwhile
@@timzy11ful I have a 3060ti for gaming, but in the down time I used it to mine. I made back it's value and more in eth just running at night when I'm not gaming. I tried a ton of different configs and miners trying to get my old GTX 980 4gb to mine and I couldn't get Raven to work. There was an estimated profitability though online and it was super low.
You may have a point though. Some algorithms rely less on total vram and instead rely on memory speed more. In that case a fast 4gb card for only $200 could actually have a great return on investment. In that case it could be actually a way better choice than a traditional beefy graphics card.
Either way, having more options has to help. Hopefully. As long as it doesn't hurt their ability to manufacture the main line graphics cards.
They might be pretty low end, but a lot of people have been buying up 1030s and 710s for the same price as these, so this is a nice replacement.
I bought a 1030 back in March 2020. I got it for £95 and Im glad I got it at that time cuz prices hadn't gone up much. Luckily it was a gddr5 version and at this point it is still able to run even minecraft with shaders on high settings albeit at a still playable 50fps
Was just binging your old videos this afternoon and now there's a new one! Cheers from New Zealand Philip!
5:54 a joke that hurt to my wallet
Keep your captivating style for making topics more entertaining. There is something unique about your storytelling and I love it!
Amidst this gpu shortage I managed to get a prebuilt pc with a 2060 for around 1100 dollars. Seeing these I wonder how much money would I have saved from building a new pc form the ground up?
At the moment prebuilts are actually better value for money and the only reliable way of actually getting a GPU. Some people even buy prebuilts just for the GPU.
You probably saved money. Now you can't get GPU even in a prebuilt without it being overpriced.
1400 is the amount I spent on my PC which has 1tb m.2 and a 256gb m.2 Ryzen 5 2600x and a 3060 which was half the cost of the PC
The GPU is the only thing that the price is really high on so if you can get a GPU for a reasonable price I would totally recommend building your own PC if you are willing to put in research to selecting your parts
I guess you could’ve saved 100-150$ or so. But a 2060 PC for 1100$ ain’t so bad. You could do a lot worse
I keep up-to-date via your videos, love these!!
These videos are so good, informative and funny as hell!
I just finished my PC ugrade. I went with the AMD 5900x, 32GB RAM 3600MHz and NVME ssd from Samsung. Now what I'm about to tell you might seem crazy: I bought a €150 case with good airflow, a lot of room for components and mounting a lot of FANS. So I went with the PC-O11 Dynamic from Lian-Li. 50% of the reason for buying this case was... my 1060. I want it to keep it as cool as possible so it won't die on me for the next 2-3 years.
i find footage of you running around with computer hardware outside to be oddly nostalgic, i appreciate the effort
I love your videos dude. The comedy, how balanced and thoughtful you are. Never change mate!
Always love these irl footages of you
Fuck I love imagining Philip setting up cameras for shots like the intro to this.
Reminds me of, can't remember the video for the life of me, but where you walk menacingly towards the camera in a really busy place, spamming your keyboard.
I love this kind of videos from you!
That Song gets really nice in the end.
Honestly, when i saw the 3500xt, i was pretty happy. As you said; it's very limited in many ways, but it can run modern games well, and that's all many people need right now. Tho the lack of video encoding is ridiculous, and everything considered i would have liked the price point being a bit lower still.
I love the hilariousness of both the situation and the comedy in your videos
These cards should be more power inefficient, that way we know the miners won't touch them.
eh eh
yeah, maximize optimization
minimize performance
doesnt really matter, they'll just undervolt them
sell fake cards specifically for mining that short circuit and fry the whole rig
It’s true only if we assume that miners need less gpu power than gamers. The power of the individual gpu doesn’t matter, what matters is the efficiency. If for the cost and power consumption it has great performance, even if only a minuscule amount to high end cards, they’ll still be bought up by miners too.
People who are still mining today aren’t broke students who game with their one pc at day and mine at night, they have gigantic farms of rigs upon rigs of systems. If the card is efficient for its fixed and running costs (initial price and power consumption) in relation to its performance, then miners will buy it too.
Nice video. It really put the new cards into perspective and helped me get a felling for where they lie performance wise. I’m less familiar with the amd series of graphic cards, this was a great help.
5:54 pulling a Linus, nice
5:53 I dropped something like that in a shop when I was a kid and it fell right apart, luckily it was just a cheap mouse.
9:25 lmao
pretty sure its a reference to this th-cam.com/video/P2DM4iYpE28/w-d-xo.html
@@Katze822228 I remember this lmao
Always love when you do IRL skits
oh good old clips of Philip running around the city like a headless chicken.
The thing I hate the most of about the gpu situation is that my gpu is turning 5 years old at this point and I'm worried about what I will do if it breaks before this scalping madness is over
@@vanillagorilla8696 BUT WHO ASKED!??!?!?!
If it helps, my GTX 970 from 2014 is still kicking. Just don't be tempted to overclock.
ya mine gtx960 does serve my needs but i dont know how long. I get nightmares about it.
@@vanillagorilla8696 A brand new account bringing up politics for no reason. This reeks of propaganda.
@@vanillagorilla8696 idk
The waifus are getting to him, they're even on his cup now.
Note that the lack of hardware encoders on the 6500 does not mean it can't screen capture, it just means that the encoding will have to be done on the CPU. Most modern CPUs should have no trouble encoding 1080p 60fps video.
I always have liked how much character your videos have (rare for tech oriented channels)
Good title/image change - I had no idea what it was about before the switch.
5:55 is that an obscure reference to that time raja koduri dropped an rx480 like 5 years ago??
5:54 Philip channeling his inner Linus
The running ALWAYS gets me hahahaha
Budget cards with fast and clever upscaling are the future, through and through.
Maybe when the baseline of gaming gets up to 1440p and above.
People always regurgitate the uPsCaLiNg argument, ignoring the significantly drop off in quality you see in all upscaling solutions.
@@humanbeing9079 right there with you. The returns are diminishing (especially in regards to the human eye and our constant approximations of clarity during perceived motion), though the algorithms will only continue to get better as time goes on. I don't anticipate our bodies will get better at perceiving detail, but the ability for software to trick us into believing a picture is more detailed (I'd say 4k base res as the upper limit for a standard monitor size) is promising
@@retiredaccount0 it's more about pixel density than actual resolution (as you touched on) on a phone screen it's really hard to tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p (to my eyes) yet there is still a visible improvement when going from a large 4K TV to an 8K one (again, to my eyes).
The only piece of tech I believe we truly _need_ higher resolution displays for are VR headsets, which probably need 4 times or more the number of pixels before they approach modern monitor levels of clarity.
not really. Just for making more money with shitty gpu's
Nice fx at the beginning
great video especially the ending i will think of budget cards now as batman thanks
Thanks for the info Philip. I'm thinking of upgrading my gpu and CPU and to be honest this looks like might be the time I actually do it. My 1050ti isn't what it used to be and I'm looking to get a vr headset in a few years possibly.
I would highly recommend buying a quest 2 (if you can get past the whole Meta/Facebook thing), using it in standalone mode for the time being, then buying a link cable or a 5Ghz router once your PC is up to spec.
Wish I had a 1050ti, my 1030 can handle most things but I would prefer to play cyberpunk above 25fps
We can hope/dream! thanks for the informative video
I did not expect to see four times F1 world champion Sebastian Vettel from 2016 talking about games for TH-cam.
9:45 nice cinematography :D
I love your 90s synth vibe
This increased production value, with this video and the matrix video have made my year.
0:38 - napoleon dynamite reference?
Im not even looking for a new card right now because I was lucky enough to get my hands on a 2080 Super before they were sold out everywhere, but I somehow still really enjoy your videos. Thanks :)
What a great video once again!
really informative and funny vid. nice one
I'm just going to sit tight and wait patiently. Fingers crossed the market will sort itself out in a couple years
Phil, I really don't know how you've managed to make a video about computer hardware so damn funny. Running in the middle of the night with a pair of graphics cards was great, and "acidentally" dropping the 480 (5:48) actually made me burst out. you can just about make out the first milisecond of the noise it made falling down
8:08 hey thats Ready or Not!
Man, these truly are some dark times for PC building. I thought I had it bad when I built mine some 3 years back but this is just insanity, literally scraping the bottom of the barrel.
6:34 PCI-E lane can provide only 75W. Another 6 Pin connector will do the job
1:28 Read the fine print in the original slide. Why does everyone miss the fact DLSS and RT are ON for that comparison? We have no idea how fast this thing actually is in rasterization. This test might be at 540p upscaled to 1080p.
Amazing production value lol
Hopefully these will actually be available. Even though they are weaker than I would like, I am honestly tired of seeing 1050ti cards at every retail store for over $200.
3:54 while I'm also not an expert on video codecs and encoding, I do think you will still have the ability to screen capture stuff because software solutions exist, and the page doesn't mention it can't do H264 encoding under 4K. But this will mean there'll be problems if a screen recording software requires H265 and hardware encoding, though this is more to the fault of the screen recorder than the card. I myself haven't had luck with hardware encoding or H265 my self, as either Vegas Pro can't open them, or playback corrupts it's self, so it's not really a concern to me if I were to get the card.
love the dark knight reference at the end
Are you gonna do a video on Intel XeSS and compare it to DLSS?
Or did you already make one and I missed it?
I didn't even get through the LITERAL first 3 seconds without pausing and laughing.
It will need a 6 pin.
107watts is more than the pcie slot can supply by itself (75watts)
Was kinda hoping to hear you talk about Intel Arc in this video too
I saw Ready or not gameplay in the background
Video about it coming soon?
A watchful renderer 😂 I can't.. I love your humor Philip.
The music went hard in this one.
What's that game with the riot shield and pistol with reflex sight? It looks cool and I'd like to try it
"A silent card. A watchful renderer."
[ runs in the background half naked and holding two cards ]
0:15 you can visually see the pain in his eyes while throwing them away.
8:08 ready or not video coming soon 😳
looking back 1060s started at 250, insane how even MSRP us largely more expensive then past cards
Im really lucky I splashed out a few years ago and got a 1080Ti, I didnt plan on buying a new card for a few years and it still handles all the games I play. I think I'd break even if I sold it today ... 4 years later.
Great way of shaking up the formula of your videos
That song in the beginning is GREAT, one of yours?
6500XT is an RX 480 4GB with less features, less PCIe lanes, and half the memory bandwidth at the same price.
6500xt can probably still do the new codecs, will just cost fps since it will run on the WGs/CUs rather than fixed function hardware
I think you make a good point.
Yeah, the Radeon does sound pretty pathetic compared to the likes of an RTX3080, but then again my previous card was a GTX 1070 which could reliably run every new game on medium settings and was more than capable to run VR titles.
If you only want to play games and don’t care about 4K 120FPS then honestly why choose anything more expensive? It does its job and it does it fine. Nothing less, nothing more.
I still have a 1050Ti from 5 years ago, did not upgrade because I play my games on PS4/5 now, Might finally upgrade now
love the B roll as always
5:46 made me laugh for 2 straight minutes, how careless that was :)
Great video good job
I have a 3050 in my laptop, and it’s works really well
Can I get some genuine advice, I'm running an RX580 8gb got years now and I'm looking to upgrade to a 6600 XT but I can justify how much it would be (£540~). Do I suck it up and buy it or will the price ever come down for it
Completely different energy whenever Physical Body Form 2kliksphilip: *Master of Dirt Rally, Juggling and VR mechanics* shows up-
Not sure, but assuming that the video encoding is just dedicated hardware on the card/chip for completing those algorithms, I feel this could be an issue for VR where the video is encoded but I don't know.