6500XT Tested on slower PC in older games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Radeon 6500 XT, paired with a Ryzen 1500X and limited to PCI-E 3 bandwidth, is a worst-case scenario. Especially with THAT cable management. That must be lopping like, 50% off the benchmarks by itself! So how will it fare on older titles?
0:00 - Intro
0:38 - CS:GO
2:32 - ARMA 3
3:52 - Skyrim SE
4:46 - Witcher 3
5:46 - Crysis Remastered
7:30 - Deus Ex Mankind Divided
8:21 - Shadow of War
9:34 - Quake Championshipes
11:13 - PUBG
13:20 - Conclusion - เกม
I'm still convinced that "cable management" is an euphemism for "shove the cables behind the baseplate where people can't see them".
there's 3 points of cable management - better airflow, easier access (switching components, removing drives etc.) and obviously the aesthetics, for the 1st and 3rd all you need is stuff the cables behind the backplate but it still counts xd
You're calling me out xd
@@DMSBrian24 cable management has a negligible effect on airflow unless you've got a literal wall of cables.
thats how i do my builds lol. people who use cable ties are too much
I built my PC doing that and wondered why everyone thought cable management sucked. Then I realized when it was done that, it's a fucking mess that I'll never be able to untangle.
This wasnt in my subscriptions, i found this through recommended
Same
Dang, same here
Gosh dang it TH-cam 😔
Same
Same
same here
Such a troll putting Unreal's theme in Quake's gameplay. 😂
Super glad you tested Quake CHAMPIONSHIPS
When you referred to Skyrim SE as an old game, your words hit me like a truck.
First time in my feed again! Algorithm finally understands me again?
Philips videos always pop up for me, except cubicle brothers, i have to search for that one
same lol
Honestly, I know this is meant to be a positive take on the card, but it actually made me dread it even more. I stopped gaming for years at one point because my computer's performance in different games was so unpredictable and rarely pleasant that playing new games was more stressful than fun due to worrying about the result of the performance coinflip.
I'd feel better buying a weaker card instead of the 6500 XT if it had more predictable performance and a somewhat lower price. This one would sap the fun out of gaming for me I reckon.
Used is always a good way of going honestly
Only used card I bought that had issues only needed re-pasting and that was relatively easy to get done
@@2kliksphilip I struggle in CS with a 1050 TI and a 2400G. I turn everything except for shadows down to their lowest settings and am lucky to hold over 140 FPS, not ideal for my 144hz monitor.
@@2kliksphilip I played CS:GO with a GTX 1070 + i7 3770k (which has an almost identical single thread rating to the 1500x) for a long time and had horrible frame drops and micro lags in certain situations. Danger Zone was barely playable. Upgraded to an 5600x and it runs buttery smooth now. I know you want each PC component to be as equally powerful as possible, but maybe try a GPU bottlenecked setup to rule out CPU related problems.
@@2kliksphilip I remember that with an amd 480 I couldn't get stable frames untill I locked my mem and gpu core speeds (+ locking my intel cpu energy saving modes) difference was night and day. Just mentioning it. I had huge fps swings that looked similar to this.
@@2kliksphilip sorry for the late reply, didn't get any notification. I get an average FPS of 112 (1080p) doing a run around Ancient, likely to be lower in an actual match. I avoid it for this reason
*hearing the words crysis mentioned*
my brain: *S O R S E*
Especially with that music
Very cool video! I wouldn't mind seeing more like this
always love a new 2kilks video before bed 🙂🙂
I'm actually shocked by witcher 3 result. It's a shame cyberpunk isn't like that.
You could say that about the entire game
Cyberpunk is also significantly more technologically advanced than Witcher 3.
@@raresmacovei8382 It is, but Witcher 3 has always scaled exceptionally well, even with hardware at that time. You can't say the same for cyberpunk optimization.
@@Joe32553 It is still relatively new and probably still has some optimization to be done
@@raresmacovei8382 I'd say not technologically more advanced enough to carry the game. It really does feel like they've reused tons more tech than made sense to, and then tried to make it work.
I'm actually really glad you mentioned quake champions. I used to play that quite a bit with an fx6300+rx480 combo and it... ran. low-medium at around 60, so it's an interesting comparison point that there's still a bit of an incremental increase, even if it's hobbled by a few other issues.
im still running an rx470 4gb lol and it has yet to dissappoint me
Would love to see Teardown tested on this card. Teardown overall is an interesting game, thanks to its weird rendering technique and OpenGL implementation.
@@mikey4505 Yes, but those issues do represent real-world problems you may have with such a card, so its only fair to try them this way.
FYI, this video didn't show up in my subs page. Only got it while scrolling through the homepage. I refreshed the subs page many times to verify.
:O
I didn't expect to see my thing here
Also I was positively surprised it didn't struggle on high
Thank you for your work!
Great choice with the Shadow of War intro music. Love that tune!
64-bit memory is something I was hoping to never see again in real GPUs
Yeah, this card is a major F up no matter how you twist it. It's just a waste of resources.
And for 200$ msrp at that
Why everyone is saying this card is bad bro wtf, I'd rather upgrade to 6500xt from 1050ti bruh, with 1050ti i have like 50-60 fps with stutters in warzone and I saw 6500xt and i5 11400f that have like 90-100 fps 1080p comp settings, so don't say it's a bad card bruh...
@@sepimomane5158 for a 5 years technology difference. It is not anywhere near fast enough to justify the 200$ price. that's why.
@@sepimomane5158 because the 1050Ti is an awful card too? Even as a low power it's so far away in performance from its neighboring cards. It's been 6 (SIX FUCKING YEARS) since then and all we have to show is this card? Which is on the level of a 1650 (another horrible card) for $200. That's a huge regression
This video wasn't in my sub box, found it on recommended
Weird this video didnt show up in my sub feed at all, and got no notification either, just stumbled upon it on the home page.
Is it me or are frame times in general just getting worse and worse over the years, always feels like im stuttering despite the frame rate being solid
i think new games are terribly optimized especially in regards to frametimes
@@sorgair more stuff being loaded (especially high res textures)meaning worse frametimes, I guess that’s why
@@bliss_gore5194 Makes a lot of sense, i guess i'm gonna have to invest in better ssds O_O
@@JacksGameReviews no. Ssd speed is not a bottleneck in modern games. It's higher single core performance you want, if anything, until direct storage hits.
Can't say I agree. Majority of games actually run quite well nowdays. The trick is to use settings that allow you to hit your target fps consistently l, and then use vsync or gsync as well as frame limiting software. Works with most well made games.
Also, it really pays to play games 1-2 years post launch when they are finally finished and fixed.
Great video Phil, was half expecting it to be about ryzen new lineup but i assume you ll do a full video when it releases. Would love to see how those new cpus run in pcie 3
About 30% slower. This card hugely benefits from PCIe 4.
soooo glad you included quake champs
Not in subscription notifications, found in recommended.
Very good video, super interesting
Although I'll never be disappointed with how things are these days, but I just need to learn to accept it
The Witcher 3 absolutely blows me away honestly, it's nothing short of magic that games can look _this good_ with such limitations. Absolutely amazing
Well you be doing a video on the new CPUs?
@@2kliksphilip How about the new AMD budget CPUs?
@@2kliksphilip you should get a 58003d its basically a 5900x but half the price
@@StormyMainShorts Same price but faster, 5900x can be had for around 470$ and msrp for the 5800x3d is 450$. You get better gaming performance but 4 less cores and no overclocking. So it depends on your needs, i dont just game and have a 5900x since release and it does all it needs to do for me, the few fps that i lose i can live with.
@@themadnes5413 i agree, being a content Creator and game dev the extra cores are worth it
Usually my subbox works, but this is one of the few times a video has skipped it.
Love the 6500 XT videos btw!
Very interesting video ! I would like to add a little feedback on The Witcher 3, I played with i7 4790K and RX5600XT and averaging more than 60 most of the time. But when reaching capital city center it dropped around 30, because of CPU bottleneck. This place would have been a challenge for the 2200G, not the GPU.
4790k was a flagship-desktop cpu on a Witcher 3 release, I had it until 2018 and never seen such drops in any game, especially Witcher 3, is more than capable to run at 100+ FPS. I guess you had crappy 4gb single channel ram or dogass cooler so ur cpu throttled to 800mhz, or it’s just a stupid kid wrote that comment for no reason
hello, i saw that you have been replying to a few comments, and I would just like to say that it is really nice seeing a creator on youtube replying to comments with well written replies
I thought this was another channel from the title name LOL, though still not disappointed.
Nice video, not sure why it didn't show up in my subs! While I don't have a 6500XT, I found that playing CS:GO on Linux removed pretty much all of the stuttering for me. Average FPS was a bit lower, but it was much more consistent. Maybe that would be something to test, if you are interested
The song playing during the quake championship part is called forgotten destruction from a UT map called facing worlds
Chapter with Crysis Remastered starts with the same song you used in Source engine demo video. I just can't unsee the same that HDR effects in this footage
This has to be the most scuffed benchmark video Iv ever seen, I love it.
Im not even interested in this GPU but you're just so cool and interesting Philip, I hope I meet you again some day :)
I notice a lower frame rate with Ancient on my PC. I have a 2060 Super and Ryzen 5 3600 in mine. I go from around 250-300 fps on most maps to around 150-200 on Ancient.
i7-8700k, rtx 2060 super and i have 250-430 fps on every map (except for ancient, where i also have 150-220 ish)... im on 240hz monitor so yeah always banning ancient in pugs :D
It could be the phone I am watching this, but somewhere in the video pipeline, some stutter came in. Maybe the capture card was lagging, you exported in 24 fps or TH-cam did something, but even the games where you said "perfectly playable" made me feel some kind of lag
Unrelated to the video itself, but wow, TH-cam.. This video is not showing up in my subscription feed at all and so I completely missed it when it was posted yesterday. I only found out about it because it for some reason appeared on the Suggestions/Home feed. I wonder how many other channels have this issue? I would have watched sooner had it appeared where it is supposed to, in my Subscriptions tab. *Edit: Your Doomsday Clock video doesn't appear on my sub feed either, while your most recent FSR video does. What the hell? Shame on TH-cam. :(
Hey what's the background music in the Quake Champions part? I was reminded of Ratz Instagib 2.0's BGM especially with the similar gameplay between it and Quake.
Thanks for sheading a spotlight on quake champions.
I like the UT99 music during the quake section lol
It'd be really nice if TH-cam pushed your videos to my sub-box so I didn't have to find them via twitter almost every time...
this is more positive marketing for quake champions than it's gotten in the last year
Hearing skyrim main theme still fill my heart with glee even after all these years, truly epic shit
Thanks for video. Cool selection of games. I am most interested in ray tracing performance on sub 1080p resolutions. Today Radeon Super Resolution should premiere - so maybe tests in 720p\830p and 900p\960p + RSR + your opinion? Quake championship performance got me really unplesantly surprised. My guess is it's 900p card - created to work with FSR.
Low spec struggle is soo exciting for me. From my 6700xt experience with cyberpunk its 1440p fsrq (960p internal) and only rt reflections, for dying light I recommend digital foundry rt optimized with RTGI and RTAO - and then adjust resolution - My 6700xt got 60fps with some drops and stutters. So the best that can be done is 720p-900p range. WD Legion should go 900p@80%+RSR medium rt medium and should look a lot better than 720p on xbox series s.
On that note - I would be fun to compare 6800u with 12cu and +50% more powerful Ray tracing alus (28W and with hack to power limits if widely available ) with 6500xt but discrete card, high clocks and regular RT ALU - that's all my dreams, I myself don't anymore have time and money to deal with it, I'd be grateful for whatever you present.
I think the choice of maps had a big impact on the results for Quake Champions. The one he tested on Ultra is probably the worst one for performance.
Something funky going on with the subtitles. I don't know how TH-cam codes them, it could be the fact that you've only just made it public but it's skipping over lines extremely fast, most of which haven't even been said yet and then it finds the right line, but desynced
Wonderful review! May I ask, could you test THIS system with games run via an emulator? I love re-playing old games from the PS2 era. By the way, certain handhelds such as PSP and Nintendo 3DS had some pretty cool games as well. Thank you once again for your excellent video!
4GB of VRAM simply is not enough in 2022. This move by AMD baffles me.
3050 would like a word
This is the second time in a row one of you 2klik's videos hasn't been in my subscriptions. I cycled my subscription to see if that fixes it but that's super weird.
Philip, arma 3 chapter, what is tha dun duh du duh sound track? I hear it all over cubicle brothers and a lot on your other channels. What is ittt :o
I appreciate the shadow of war music in the intro
I wonder if a little bit of bclk and memory overclocking would make a noticeable difference
Didn't get a notification for this video. Only found on recommend
Same with me. Algorithm definitely fucked it, looking at the views.
Unreal Tournament music during the Quake Champions segment... Cheeky
I wonder if the issues with certain games can be remedied through open source drivers. I've heard that the open source drivers for AMD cards are actually quite good.
Shadow of War music in the intro
It surprises me that Arma 3 is the easiest to run game, according to you. I remember booting it up for the first time and struggling with me 2012 laptop.
Why isn't this in my sub feed? Had to find it through home...
Hey! Iv'e had the 6500xt paired with an i5 9400f for about 18 months now, and I am fully serious when I say that enabling "Re Size BAR Support" in bios increased my FPS between 20-50% across most csgo maps, and almost QUADROUPLED it on ancient. If you by some miracle happen to stumble across this comment, I highly suggest you pair the 6500xt with a fairly new CPU and turn on "Re size BAR support". You've been one of the youtubers that has talked the most about this card, and I wish I had the reach to tell more people about this discovery.
Iv'e had sessions on AMD adrenaline with
£200 and its about as good as my GTX 1060 6gb that I bought for the same price just before the mining craze, looks like the prices should get normal soon!
I think that's a bad sign actually. Nearly 6 years have passed and, in this example, price-to-performance has stayed the same. Even worse is that the 6500XT doesn't even have 6GB of vram, it has 4GB! Many newer games will hardly run at 1080p with only 4GB to use.
@@justitgstuff5284 Yeah, 4GB ≥ VRAM has been standard since what, 2014, maybe 2015?
@@edentyler-moss1157 I'd say since Maxwell in 2014 as even the 970 had 4GB to work with back then. The 970's memory bandwidth is also considerably larger than the 6500xt, meaning some of the issues shown in the video might not even occur on the 7+ year old 970.
@@justitgstuff5284 Remember the 3.5 GB controversy?
What's the music/song playing during the Crysis Remastered segment? 6:30
We love you 2kliksphilip!!
more people should play quake champions, it´s really good!
I found this in my feed searching DLSS stuff, lovely yt algorithm.
Also that cable management.. is better than what’s hiding behind my desk right now lol
I still find it weird people play Counterstrike. I was playing it when I was like 12.. now I’m 36. Wtf?
Like CS is cool with kids now, but only because the game has skins in it lol they didn’t care about CS:GO pre gun skin age
I remember trying to run Witcher 3
On my 560 Ti and it was possible.. not great but still playable
I remember playing CSGO on my 9500GT, it ran perfectly fine, but Nuke and the older Dust 2 wouldn't even load
What is that intro music? sounds so familiar.
1:20 Had the same issue with my radeon HD 4850 back then and to solve the problem, I switched to a much weaker and older nvidia gpu(6800gt if I remember correctly), where lowering the quality actually made a difference. Since then I never bought an amd gpu again.
I think you meant an 8800 GT, I ran CS:GO back in the day on an 6800 GT 256 MB AGP card and in some maps I got white textures and around 20 fps, which actually helped a lot with visibility. What you say used to be true, but now AMD cards are generally faster, except for the abomination on the video of course...
You may have encountered FPS issues and stutters with CSGO because it is more CPU dependent.
Those seem to be shader cache building stutters tho, 1500x is more than enough(bar the slower ST ryzen 1 performance)
I upgraded from a gtx 960 to this card, and encountered these same issues. With the 960 the game ran better (i7 4770)
@@kriksB if I had to guess then, It is the AMD drivers screwing up and that is fixable.
@@kriksB ouch i would of waited for a better buy unless your 960 died. mine is still chugging along just fine.
No. It's because the GPU is too weak and the bandwidth isn't enough. CS needs a semi decent GPU nowadays. Switching from a 1080 to a 6800 gave me an extra 300 FPS
None of 2kliks videos appear in my subscription feed. I remember commenting it last time as well. Had to double check I hadn’t accidentally subscribed
this vid didn't show up in my sub feed for some reason
Same
glad to see my favourite game, PUBG, tested!
-burger40
You don't show up in my subscriptions anymore even though i have the bell on?
This video was not in my subscription feed.
What recorder are you using??
Never was in my sub feed
9:35
footage: Quake
music: Unreal Tournament
me: triggered
what is the music in this video at crysis
Why wasn't I recommended this video??? I'm subscribed and constantly watch your videos, but apparently The Algorithm doesn't want me to watch these videos.
3:23 Tanoa, more recent indeed :D
I know this is an older video and the verdict on the 6500xt has been set in stone at this point but I was scrolling through the comments and no one really mentioned the memory's bus width.
While running in PCIE3 is for sure bottlenecking - The bus is only 64 bits. If you don't minimize textures, it'll eventually be like shoving strawberries through a funnel. Even with older titles, the scaling just won't be there.
I didn't get notification for this video!?
I only saw this video on Twitter when I shared 3kliksphilip's video there, why didn't TH-cam notify me of Philip's new video :(
Witcher3 surprised me
My previous gtx1060 3gb struggle in 1080p even with high
Would you do a colab with linus tech tips on upscaling his oldest video..... He did it recently and was struggling as per what i can make out ....
@@LightPink that would work well too in my opinion
This video did not show up in my subscriptions for some reason
Wish Quake Champions was still alive in my region. The regions where it's active gives me like 200+ ping
Crytek already mentioned Crysis 1 Remastered won't get any other updates. And it's really weird seing that prompt. I only have a 5700 XT, but the game ran like butter. And it's not like RDNA2 is doing anything special with RT in the game, given the RT is software based unless you have an RTX GPU.
2nd favourite Plymouth TH-camr
Hey Philip I haven't had an 2klik videos in my feed since the Dying Light one, and I haven't had your last two 3kliks videos in my feed either. saw other people talking about it so thought I'd share
It's *Quake Champions* - not *Championships* :D
Quake Champions is one of the best game I've ever played. But alas it didn't take off.
Will you test it in teardown?
It's called Quake Champions. Also it is the only game I play. What you should've done for testing on a 1080p monitor is setting everything to low and resolution scale to 75%. I know it sounds off putting but it actually helps even with more powerful cards such as my 1660 ti for example. Pros use like the RTX 3070, all low settings at 1080 except lighting that you have to bump up to high to see shadows of enemies that can reveal their location.
I can recommend you try to get good at quake. Once you're half decent you're not going to want to play anything else though.
Even as an average player in this game you need +250 fps to be able to stay consistent. The pros have gone up to 360Hz displays and in this title it makes a difference over 240Hz even. I'm stuck at 240Hz and that will have to do for now.
Could you do a video on 7 days to die graphics
You don't play your Skyrim with the fps unlocker? There is a mod that auto tweaks the physics to your framerate and fixes the issues. Uncapped Skyrim is cool
Did you hide the video from subscriptions feed? I only use the subscription menu to watch the videos I want and it gets a little frustrating that I can't see all the videos from the channels I subscribe to.
Now that the 1630 released
Any thoughts?
Dear Philip,
This comment isn't about the content of this video but something I've found concerning. Your videos are not appearing in my subscription feed anymore. It's stranger than that though, videos that didn't come up in my subscriptions, eventually appear after about 10 days. This has been happening for a long time and I can't quite find where it started (as once I see one of this channel's videos in my recommended, I will go and watch it, so I can't use my video history to investigate that). From my perspective, each time you upload can be described as follows:
- You upload video
- I open TH-cam, at some point being recommended your recent upload on the home page, not in my subscriptions.
- I check my subscriptions video isn't there.
- You upload again, same thing occurs.
- If 10 days have passed the video before last has appeared in my subscriptions.
I have unsubscribed and resubscribed, liked and unliked videos to see if the holy algorithm is having a moment and needs to verify I'm subscribed. Nothing has worked, you said the views on this channel are slowly reducing. I thought for a moment that it is because you upload shorts. Shorts do not get shown in subscription feeds like normal videos do, so I felt this could be the case, but you also upload shorts on 3kliksphilip and I do not have the same issue with that channel. Plus, the shorts on this channel have become quite popular.
I reviewed your 2021 analysis video where you said 2kliksphilip just isn't being recommended to people, and your current subscribers eventually lose interest (12:50 in that video). However I thought of something slightly more sinister in a way. Is this some kind of algorithm testing/trial and error to improve it's efficiency.
Are your current subscribers not being shown your uploads immediately, therefore they are not gaining those initial views within the first day or so, so with a smaller sample size, your watchtime could be drastically affected by what is normally a smaller subsection that don't watch all the way through, is actually a massive size of the viewerbase. This is then not pushing your videos into recommended as it's not gaining the watchtime required.
You got -1 subscriber on your Odgrub 4 video. Saying "I'd have been better off not releasing it" made the connection in my mind that, did your video actually *get* released? As in, was the video not appearing in so many of your subscribers feed's that it statistically seemed as though you didn't release it at all.
If someone misses a video from one of their many subscriptions, they aren't going to know to comment underneath your next one that they missed the other one, or even watch it, or even think you've stopped uploading completely and unsubscribe. Likewise, if people are only seeing this in recommended, then maybe the amount of unsubscribers are balancing with the amount of viewers being suggested the video and subscribing.
Sorry if this comment was a bit all over the place, I was conflicted about emailing you this or just commenting, but you must be aware of this issue as I've commented about this before, and seen other people comment with the same problem (even within this very video). Maybe I decided to comment as weird stray hope that this comment could turn the tide against the algorithim and all of a sudden 2kliksphilip rises in popularity. Regardless, I thought you might want to see a detailed perspective from a subscriber.
Best wishes, Alex
@@2kliksphilip Ah I see, the algorithm doing its job then! Making itself as hard as possible to understand
@2kliksphilip The only reason I can think such nonsense works with the algorithm is to maximize views from big channels to gain more suscribers than they already have...or they just want more data to see what's popular. I guess they are trying to spread the users with as much content as they can from as many creator as they can until something stick with them but that will always sound horrible to me.
Can't wait till a better platform is created in the future.
@@tomstonemale 100% this, I'm the kinda of TH-cam user that has fewer subscriptions than most. I've have around 20 that I watch on a regular basis and even then I sometimes skip watching it if it doesn't interest me. I have a feeling that the audience they are trying to reach are those with 50+ subscriptions that watch anything they get suggested.
hmm, all the witcher expansions are free aren't they? I just bought the base game and the xpacs were included as an update to the game
Just wanted to let you know that some of your videos don't show up in my subscription feed despite being a long time subscriber. I noticed it happened with this video, and I remember other times thinking "Why am I only seeing this in my recommended videos?". The video just isn't present in my subscriptions at all, and I am not sure why.
I played Quake champions back when it was just annouced in early aces Alpha.. now to being early acces past beta.... so many ears later...
Log story short: this game is technical mess, it stutters even on high end pc's , graphic settings be damned.
But im happy to see this game being included, it does have npc bots so it might be something you would find interesting later since i know you did video about those
I played it from the first stress test onwards for couple years. First it ran really good but after every update performance just went to the ditch. I would have played it more but bad decisions in development and poor performance drove me away. :(
This wasn’t in my subscription feed, just to inform you.