Logitech, wake up.
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Logitech wake up optimum just dropped
litteraly😂
They'll be arranging an internal crisis meeting ASAP, guaranteed 😅
Hyped for the Optimum Wooting
They aint sleepin bro. They just gave up.
Lol
A £180 keyboard without rapid trigger in the current state of the competitive keyboard market is quite crazy
If it works traditionally then rapid trigger doesn't make you a better gamer than what you currently are.
how the duck you comment this in the same minute posted.
@@joelconolly5574 not worth the price point lol
@@joelconolly5574 No hardware upgrade makes you a better gamer. The only purpose is to give you an advantage and rapid trigger does that.
Sad thing is, that this keyboard will sell anyways because its Logitech.
Something else about Wooting I love, their "driver" software is a simple, lightweight program, not some invasive bloatware like most peripheral companies put out. It can even run in a browser!
this alone genuinely makes it worth over any competitor despite how hard they can be to get your hands on
and you don't even need to download it if you use a chromium browser the keyboard has storage and will save whatever settings you have no software required
I’m so sick of every company wanting to install god damn agents and updaters.
I want a wooting mouse for this exact reason. Wooting everything if it means no agents ffs
I've got several Logitech mice and while I'm mostly happy with the hardware, the software side is just convoluted and frustrating. Especially if you want to set up macros and different functions for the buttons.
G Hub is actually great... LUA scripting, macro recording, etc etc etc. The problem is the products aren't worth the price. I love the G305. I've modded mine with kailh and pink dot switches. It's great and it's only 35 dollars. If was anymore it wouldn't be worth it though.
"they were just untouchable, like, nobody could touch them" that's good writing
You know this keyboard is bad when the first link in the description is a wooting link
He ment because he reviewed a logitech keyboard
@@sak-atWork are you just disagreeing for fun?
@@sak-atWork read it again, slowly this time
xdddd
@@sak-atWorklet me paraphrase in a way you’ll understand:
Optimum reviewed logitech’s keyboard but he put the link of wooting instead of it
Huge respect for critiquing them as harshly as you did. Logitech has gotten complacent over the years - the quality of ALL their products shows.
If there is market pressure on them to change they will. But that will take the average consumer buying competitor's products to send the message. If people keep buying overpriced sub-standard equipment, it validates their cost-cutting measures on the production side.
They have not updated the 920 webcam in years and it's still $60
yeah they've gotten comfortable with just being "better than razer" but nowadays even razer has rapid trigger, even if it isnt as good as wooting or steelseries
Everyone that's talked about this keyboard has shit on it. This video is late.
@@boinqity4621 Razer V3 has surpassed Superlight, too. How the mighty have fallen... .
The keypresses probably have to pass through logitech servers.
Why do you think you have to register and sign in to use the drivers?
$180 for a basic KB is crazy
Yeah it really is especially because it really is just a basic mechanical keyboard Aliexpress sells keyboards like this for 10 dollars with free shipping
basic? its half a keyboard! when 60% means pay 60% more per switch... xD
Basic? It's literally lacking
wirelss, 60h of battery life, extrrem low latency and rgb backlight and software support, I want exactly such a keyboard give me a cheaper alternative
@@sensei_... exactly. People be commenting about cheap keyboards but those $10 keyboards misses a lot of features than my grand father.
Calendar issue, they thought it was 2014.
Makes sense why it still has the old Windows logo from 2012
THIS
I like to imagine the Wooting team playing this video in their Monday meeting and having a good laugh.
😂
No need, their keyboards and brand have been doing super good ever since the 60HE dropped, they already know they have the market by their neck. They don't need to laugh anymore, they just focus on making their keyboards better and better. That's why Wooting is the best imo
Who's rooting?
@@ms3862 I'm rooting for you!
@@ms3862 The company/brand Wooting. Did you not watch the video where he mentioned them multiple times?
I reviewed the Akko 3061S HE, but i have no Wooting to compare. What do you think ? Do you plan to test it ?
There is also the ATK68 HE
Hyped for wooting colab. I think the only missing stuff from wooting is that it lacks side printing, like bottom right keys can have arrows side printed.
180 for a basic keyboard is crazy
Definitely, I would just go the custom route and come out with something better lol.
they were definitely smoking something
"Basic" is generous. That keyboard looks absolute SHIT.
@@jet613 fr you can build a WAAAAAY better keyboard for that price point , i hate logithec so much lmaoo
Not me paying 250 bucks for a topre
Not to mention their top full-size keyboard G915 is still sporting a micro-USB (!) port in 2024...
bro i couldnt believe it and went to check its really micro-usb and even when its on sale its 180$ WTF 😭
That’s the main reason I’ve never pulled the trigger on the 915 TKL. It’s absurd that they’re still using micro USB! That port is going to be wrecked after you disconnect/reconnect three times
@@BEARTAC0S i using this keyboard and is light years before all. soo video like this is mambo jambo
@@sasourbic636 i reading this comment and is light years old all. soo comment like this is wambo wumbo
@@alb9022 i feel like wambo wumbo is a great way to describe your comment actually
Quick and on point. Thanks, I was thinking about buying this I will check out more options.
I'm always blown away by your video quality and minimalism
Logitech kinda has been getting worse over the years.
Looks like another case of enshitification
Probably on purpose, my first Logitech mouse lasted like 7 years 😢
considering the amount of RND that went into the original G pro vs the superlight 2, I think you are right
@@wenimechoinasama2 I only bought the Superlight 2 for the sake of more tactile clicks and USB C charging. Otherwise I would've just taken the first
@@PainkillerX12 Nah, it's been 6+ years at this point.
When they purposefully locked MX Keys for Mac in Mac layout only with a firmware update to hinder performance in WIndows, I knew they are finished.
Yeah my keyboard actually has a switch on it that lets me choose Mac or Windows mode, is metal with removable keys and switches, can do bluetooth, wired, or highspeed wireless dongle, can set up to 4 devices at once, and is cheaper than Logitech's mechanical MX series by %40... no way I am going back to Logitech.
Now I am on the lookout for a good mouse. My MX Master 3 is kinda disappointing as the cursor moves super slow on the fastest settings. Looking for something that can set at least 2 devices, can do bluetooth and 2.4ghz dongles, and is USB C rechargeable, if anyone knows a good device? My wife has the G705 which is nice but a bit too small for me (I don't have big hands but this particular mouse is designed for female hands).
@@destructodisk9074check out the keychron m6 :)
@@destructodisk9074 if you're on a Mac then you might want to adjust your mouse acceleration settings. If you can't do so with Logitech software, then SteelSeries used to have an universal tool for adjusting mouse acceleration
@@destructodisk9074 What keyboard are you using? I need a keyboard that can quickly swap between different pcs and your's sounds like the perfect fit for me. I'm currently using the MX Keys which works really well when swapping between multiple devices
@@destructodisk9074 how are you gonna say all that but not say the name of the keyboard?
Can't wait for your collaboration, currently rocking the 60he in the redux 2, but your version looks gorgeous
The only product from Logitech worth getting is the MX Master 3S productivity mouse, other than that, the company is following Creative’s footstep as a sunset company
Logitech biting the curb 4k HD
8K HDR10+ 120fps DOLBY VISION IMAX*
4k is not HD lol
@@guinea_horn Maybe they meant HDR
I love G604 but I still remember that I wrote a letter to Logitech to report a bug in G-Hub ,no fixing for 3 years.
so no expection with this company.
They don't fix anything in that shit app
G-hub, from a user friendly piece of software perspective, is absolute garbage. Seems to have been designed to look minimalist without a single thought towards intuitive design. Every function requires a google search to find out how to use. I hate it I hate it I hate it
what? you wrote a LETTER to a billion dollar company? I hate to break it to you, but absolutely nobody at that company read a letter from a random person. Thats comical.
@@absolutelysobeast Generally if the company provides the product which is nice with slightly issues, I usually send the message to them. I love to see the service keep in good quality.
Of course as you said ,I am just one of the daily nameless person , so it is understandable that customer service reply shit.
meanwhile you can think twice whether you should keep using the same company's product or not when you make your purchasing decisions.
don't feel too upset with life, just a bad product and don't need to feel comical or badly
@@tazer4391 I stopped buying Logitech products once they all required G-Hub. I've had nothing but trouble with that POS software
for anyone wondering if theres a tkl wooting there is one comming in mid august you can preorder it right now
I cannot wait to try your idea of a wooting
You would think the team behind this keyboard would be able to create a standard list of must haves and should haves for a keyboard in esports scene. Looks like they missed them all...
Or at least price it accordingly. I can understand if an upcoming pro player can’t afford spending more than $100 on a keyboard, so they would get something slightly cheaper from a decent brand.
So then pricing an average keyboard higher than the best keyboard in the market is just delusional.
Too bad they probably started from a perspective of, "we have a budget of X and promised the executives X% profit per device in order to get this green lit"
That’s the thing about sheer market dominance. You don’t even have to try anymore to get the sales
Dude, I’ve been looking at the Wooting board for a bit and was on the fence about waiting for the 80 but now I know you have a collab board coming out I now what I’m waiting for.
love you honesty please never stop
I want that Optimum x Wooting keyboard
Hopefully it's just the case and keycaps or else I'll have to get a second 60he just for this
Wow Logitech. Just wow.
Optimum is the reason I got the wooting keyboard, and I have LOVED IT SO FAR. I honestly am glad you shared this amazing keyboard to my knowledge.
Love the transparency on partnerships, keep up the good work
Congrats on your partnership with Wooting!
This tells me everything.
Wake up
@@OfficalMineTechHD he's alwys praised wooting before the partnership bro
They also ruined Blue Microphones after aquiring them
It also bought Saitek, maker of expensive but unreliable flying peripherals. They’re still expensive, and still unreliable.
I mean the blue yeti kinda s*cks for its price but they managed to make an even worse and more expensive "upgrade" lmao
just got my wooting in and its so butter, need you to drop that custom case already!
the Optimum x Wooting collab!! So pumped
If 5 years ago somebody told me Razer will become a great peripheral company and logitech will become garbage, i would have bet my life savings against this prediction.
Has Razer really improved that much? I've been burned by them too many times to ever buy one of their products again.
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Yes, they have. (its amazing) Especially in comparison to Logitech. Their mice are *mostly* industry-leading (i.e. Viper v3 pro, DAv3 pro, counter i.e. RVMSE), you know, 8k wireless, great qc, best shapes on the market (though that is subjective), their keyboards are trying (though wooting still has them beat), their headphones are still mid but better than logitech. Logitech meanwhile have been almost going backwards with how bad things have been for them lately. Keyboard releases are dumb, mouse improvements are either nonexistent or minimal (i.e. the GPX 2, g502x), i dont know much about logitech headphones. All while Logitech has been charging more for less.
@@OzymandiasMC my issue was always the switches dying on their mice, I lost like 3 mice to that. I don't think I'll ever buy one again.
Until Razer completely remakes the borderline malware that is Synapse and then makes it optional for some of the tournament products like Logi does, they’re not competitive. I’m on the wooting and a Zowie mouse now and god it feels so good to not have all that trash on my PC
@@TheRealFlamingNinja Everything except for their Laptops seems to be fine. Overall, everything is still a bit overpriced, but they're a huge brand so its to be expected anyway.
dude the gradient looks sick hope you guys keep it
I really respect the effort you put into making your videos super clean and super honest. great work man
Videos like this are the reason why I watch your videos. Keep up the great content, and just reviews.
It feels like Logitech has lost their way. I remember the days of the Logitech G5 mouse, I bought it for 50 euros and it was the best mouse on the market. When it broke after 4 years and I didn't have the receipt they just shipped me a new one and asked for me to return the old one so they can inspect it. They also did this for some speakers I had. Somewhere along the line tho their quality started dropping both on hardware and customer support. I had a G603 (I think) wireless mouse which had double clicking issues despite me not using it much, but after 4 years no warranty (despite it being a well documented issue) and they only offered me a 25% discount on their overpriced store. Also one of their headsets broke at the shitty plastic hinge after just 2 years and I also didn't get any warranty on that. I'm noticing issues with my G pro wireless as well, and it's also out of warranty.
I'm super happy with my Drunkdeer A75 hall effect keyboard that cost me 120 euros. Best keyboard I've had hands down, and very comparable to the Wooting (just not the best software). These days I'm not looking at Logitech as a first choice anymore, especially at the premium they're asking for budget gear.
The G5 was never the best mouse on the market, not even close, but it was a breed of a different era in terms of build quality. Sadly, you can't really expect that nowadays.
how long do you expect a product to last you? The fact that you would expect ANY compensation after 4 years is absolutley mind blowing. You used a headset for 2 YEARS straight and thats somehow unacceptable to you? Im not sure where you think you live, but this is planet earth. I honestly cannot believe your entitlement, its absolutely ridiculous
@@absolutelysobeast It is not about what you expect, but about what you feel like should be able to expect. Those two are similar, but not quite the same. I feel like if I purchase a comparatively pricey peripheral and a distinct problem emerges during the first 4 years, I will for sure let the retailer or manufacturer hear about it. Politely asking how should we proceed now. The response and service I get will be noted. As a result, there are manufacturers whose products I am prepared to pay a premium for, and other manufacturers whose products must be less expensive than the competition available for me to even consider purchasing.
@@absolutelysobeast I expect pheripherals to last at least 5 years. Maybe you're American, but consumers in Europe tend to have longer warranties than just 1 or 2 years. It's unreasonable for a 150 euro mouse to have buttons going bad after 2 years.
@@npyrhone2 dude 4 years? I mean if you use something, its not going to last that long. If you use something like a mouse or a keyboard daily for 2 years i dont understand how you expect more than that? Maybe 3 years, but i honestly cannot fathom having a thing for 4 years and contacting the manufacturer and asking them what they are going to do for me? I mean dude that means that you are still using a thing now and would expect compensation for something you bought before the world even knew what the hell covid was? I CANNOT understand that. A mouse or a keyboard is a piece of plastic that you touch every single day and press the buttons hundreds of times a day.
it's so weird every company in the industry that we've grown to trust throughout the years have recently began losing our trust and our favor to new companies. either in the front end of the company or in customer service. a lot of these big companies need to realize that consumers won't stick around when they pay top dollar expecting top quality gear and get let down.
Not exactly.
What happened was that they got complacent and then got bloated incapable of adapting to change quickly. People who ACTUALLY design and create said things that genuinely care about what they make (not the faceless corporation you see slapping their logo on stuff) realized how hard that would be to change and jumped ship. Faceless corporation went "sad to see you go" shrugged and is now facing the consequences of that 5-8 years later as technology continues to advance and they don't have the necessary talent pool to drive that innovation quickly enough. I'm old enough to have seen this happen twice and I laugh every time it happens.
Follow where the talent goes. Not the company. The people that designed the original best selling products are mostly long gone.
I just can't get over how amazing your set looks!
that test setup looks sooo clean!
0:38 didn't heard "Logitech is awesome" for last 20 years even once :)
True. Logitech has literally never made good keyboards.
Honestly, what did they even EXPECT with this keyboard?
The first time I’ve ever seen this keyboard is by HipyoTech’s review. It was absolutely so insane, hilarious, and especially disappointing from a big brand like Logitech to even produce something LIKE this. It looks very basic, and I bet it feels basic as well.
There’s no KEYCAP or SWITCH puller, and for the keyboard modders out there, if you wanted to hotswap it for different keycap, you literally can’t. You can’t switch to any other keycap if you tried.
The software looks ridiculously mediocre and boring in my opinion. I gotta say, I have never been a fan of software. Hell, I have an Apex Pro Full from SteelSeries, and holy SHIT, it is annoying. The software has garbage I don’t use, in which the only thing I use is the “Engine” for the custom actuation points (Rapid trigger is included as well).
Overall, for Logitech, they are in hot water, and I feel like it will only get worse in my opinion in the future if they keep releasing terrible stuff like this. For the epic of $180, being nearly the price of many high-tier keyboards today like the Wooting and some of its competitors, I find that so BS and hilarious that people would buy a keyboard that probably isn’t worth its high price tag.
hey! my G710+ lasted me 11 years and i only just replaced it this year... with a non logitech keyboard
Most people consider the G15 to be the first gaming keyboard which launched in 2005. It was pretty much awesome by default and that was within 20 years! ^_^
Optimum x Wooting when?
now
Take all my money or my kidney i want it. ( even thought i already have the woothing 60he )
Take my McClaren!
Yea, would be curious to know timeline. That fade looks sick. Would definitely get if it’s before the Wooting80HE release.
Bro this collab is gonna kill the keyboard game. Logitech absolutely shook.
Awesome content, straight to the point without any bs about sponsors, you sir have gained a subscriber.
It's very cool that you are making a keyboard with Wooting, excited to see what you guys come up with.
@optimum Did you ask Wooting to give you the keyboard latency tester they are making and teased at Computex?
Someone had to say it and I'm glad you did. A few years ago, I decided to go with full-setup Logitech peripherals. The keyboard I chose was the G915 in full size. The letters and numbers on the keys started to fade after a few months. For the mouse I went with the G Pro X Superlight which had some issues with the scroll wheel where I would try to scroll down but it would scroll up instead. I received a replacement mouse but it had issues with the clicks. Holding down the clicks for more than 2 seconds will result in them releasing even though I was still holding them. The third replacement was lucky, it only has some wobble but it's acceptable. The headset I bought was the wired G Pro X and after three months the sound in the left side was more pronounced than in the right one, and a week later the sound in the right side completely disappeared. I purchased the G Pro X v2 wireless headset and they make a sound as if something is scratching inside, randomly, like a popping/cracking noise. This was the last product I bought from Logitech.
i had been using a corsair hs70 wireless headset i bought when i got my first gaming pc a few years ago. when i finally tried to upgrade last year - knowing much more about pc gaming at that point - i tried the g pro x v2, partially for convenience since i was still using logitech m&k. only having to use one piece of software was alluring. however, at 100% volume on *everything* the audio was muffled & surprisingly quiet. yes, firmware/software was up-to-date & g hub was functioning as expected otherwise. returned to place of purchase to swap out & had the same problem with the second unit. returned again for a refund & decided to try the very well-reviewed audeze maxwell headset. sound quality was fantastic on those, but they had a fatal flaw (imo) in which any video, song, or media source i tried would have zero volume for the first few seconds after play/pause with no apparent way to correct it. audeze customer support was arguably the worst i've ever encountered, unfortunately. after weeks of absurd back-and-forth emails, i was finally able to return the maxwell & eventually receive a refund. ended up replacing the battery on the aging corsair unit with a higher-density cell then replaced the ear cushions & am still using it daily. --- filed under "i'm frustrated and this is good enough lol."
I still like the ergonomics on the g915, but the quality for the price is insulting, same thing with the keycaps and the battery is getting worse FAST
G915 is ass especially for the price
Congrats on the Collab!
Love my Keychron Q1 HE.
Wireless, hall effect switches, metal chasis, rgb, volume knob, etc.
This is probably just a keyboard they made 5 years ago that they forgot to release
Still no g305 superlight or g703 superlight is INSANE
the amount of riding this man is doing on wooting, is crazy. I'm here for it.
Very excited to see what the wooting keyboard will look like!!
this is like the old internet explorer meme
logitech are literally 5 years too late with this thing
and the 180USD price tag is just sad man, in the pass few years keyboard have change so much, things like rainy, zoom, neo make the fancy custom keyboard become something everyone can afford, wooting completely change what gaming keyboard can be
yet this thing is just a RK with 3 time the price
I just bought a Gamakay 60% keyboard kit for $40 😅. Built a "custom" board thats wireless for less than $100. Just doesn't have fancy software but that's where AHK comes in.
I'm still using a Wooting One board I got from their Kickstarter in 2017 i think. Had a couple switches starting to wobble in the last year, found my Wooting box and there was like 8 replacement switches inside (4 clicky 4 linear). Swapped out my WASD and Space bar switches and lubed it up, good as new! My roommate has gone through 4 keyboards from Corsair, Razer, CoolerMaster, in the same time that all failed.
it took them YEARS to fix the doubleclicking with the new optical switches on their mice.
i actually swapped from cherry MX a long time ago to optical (ironically, wooting) because of key chattering, and never had the issue again.
now imagine a company as huge as logitech wasting tons of money on RMA every year because of the mechanical switches, and doing nothing for that long when all they had to do is get optical or magnetic actuation switches.
i always love logitech products even the non gaming ones but my only problem with logitech is their double clicks issues. I’ve bought a lot of their mouses and keyboards from different models as well.
I would love a wireless Wooting tbh
I'm pretty sure they said they wouldn't do it because it would chew throught the battery immediately.
also super hypeed for the wooting collab!!
Rapid Trigger became also available on my SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL (early version, not the new 2023) via Software upgrade long time ago.
custom keyboards are leagues above what these "gaming companies " put out
Corsair has a keyboard with magnetic switches that has variable actuation points and rapid trigger and the ability to map 2 keystrokes to one key for example a light press of the "W" key would make an in game character walk but a harder press would make them run
im not spending past $280 for a keyboard. gaming or not
Not really. In term of pure gaming competitive-ness Wooting is still on top. The typing feel are trash but you can't argue with the input responsiveness. Custom keyboard are now trying to do hall effect, but their software is more often than not pure junk and their implementation of features like rapid trigger is all over the place. Personally I'll still use a regular contact based custom keyboard for the superior typing feel because I don't need that competitive edge.
@@PSS395 QMK is great software. You can program it without having any application installed on your PC and is an open protocol, so you can as example create your own effects. Between my 200€ Keychron and my 160€ Corsair K70 mk2 there's just no comparison by how much better the keychron feels
@@PSS395 Wooting sells a custom keyboard kit, you can basically buy just the mobo. I LOVE Wooting but agree that for anything other than gaming it isn't necessarily better than a mechanical switch, but all-in-one wise Wooting is killing it.
wooting x optimum is literally a matchmake in heaven
Yep, both obsessed with quality and attention to detail. Good combo!
My setup has always had a logitech mouse and headset since about 2017, up until last year when my headset (pro x wired) died because of a cable fault and my mouse (pro wireless) started having some sensor degradation. Full pivoted to Razer's recent stuff and do not regret it at all.
I tried the Wooting 2 HE back in march 2023 (bit over a year ago) and I didn't find the rapid trigger to matter that much, even when I did play competitive cause I didn't play the ADHD games, I played more like rising storm 2 vietnam and bad company 2, and especially in strategy games it didn't matter.
The keys were a bit too lose and clacky for me, went back to the Razer Cynosa Chroma for a while, before eventually settling on a Logitech G413, love it so much I even bought a backup for whenever this one finally breaks.
Logitech is the next Nokia.
Lol, they're not even as successful as the OLD nokia.
I guess the TLDR with most of those vids are: you don't have money to buy Wooting? Save up and buy Wooting. You have more money and wanna buy something else that's not Wooting, you buy Wooting.
jokes aside great vid 🙏
Actually yes, there’s currently no match for wooting, except wooting
@@lostwinter5637 LMAO you ain't wrong xD
Jokes aside the only board I'm aware that's faster than Wooting is Rakka (Holy60) and they can be purchased on KBDFans but it won't be the case anymore. That's the only board that's so close to performance.
@@lostwinter5637 Magnetic switch keyboards are starting to appear like the Keychron Q1 HE
I love you brutal honesty. Keep it up, mate.
felling rapid trigger is something along the lines of hearing gold plated cables sound difference. Sure you do.
i wont ever understand arrowless keyboards
Not exactly a hard concept tho.
I dont get how 65% isn't infinitely more popular. Its literally almost the exact same size as one of these 60% keyboards except is actually usable because it has arrow keys. If Wooting makes a 65% analog keyboard I'm instantly buying it. The 80% they recently released feels like it would be too large after getting used to 65%.
logi is not even releasing their budget mouse series like successor to g305, g703, g102 which were legendary mice , what are they doing with all the resources ??
I have the G703 Lightspeed and I'm extremely satisfied with it. I tried different mouses, even the flagships from Logitech but returned them all and stayed with G703.
The curse of big public companies - their stock price becomes their main product. The resources are sadly going to stock buybacks and dividends. Let's hope they don't lose their way.
well i hope Wooting x Optimum is a accessories collabs cause i already have 60HE. Congrats on the collabs man!
My biggest gripe with Logitech is the lack of a new MMO mouse. A fairly niche peripheral in 2024, I guess, but I enjoyed my old G600 and it just never got the same treat that the Naga or Scimitar did when wireless gaming mice actually a viable product. My decade old G600 has long since been retired but it still feels nicer than the Naga V2 Pro I'm currently using instead.
Logitech are having a meeting after this shit
I doubt it. As long as their shareholders are happy they won't improve anything. Niche keyboards aren't a market that will even show up in a quarterly report.
@@XiaOmegaXNot sure their shareholders are gonna be happy when their Gaming brand dies. Stuff like this takes a while but eventually it's gonna hit their bottom line.
@@HuyV lol a failed 60% won't even make a margin difference to logitech. Gaming is 26% of their earnings report. 60% keyboards are probably 0.001% of that. It's a niche of a niche of a niche.
I'd also bet the sales numbers of this crap are meeting their corporate targets. Gamers will buy it because they dont know better.
Logitech is basically "fast fashion" in the tech industry.
Not exactly an apt comparison
@@microgamestation how so basically just copied wooting with no benefits of it just like what fast fashion does copy trend and does it worse
@@eeenshahopefully it ends with this keyboard. I still remember my g102 and boy that thing is so good at that price.
@@eeensha it's not like wooting invented 60% keyboards lol. What exactly do you claim they copied from wooting?
@@eeensha Fast fashion 'tends' to be cheaper
have my wooting in a tofu 2.0 and it sounds amazing, tempted to get this case though. its simply elegant. Hope you have some jade switches in there optimum, potential for a wooting update video.
When the Superlight 2 came out, I bought it immediatly, but went back to the Superlight 1 after a few days.. I preordered the wooting 80he and im super excited!
Logitech is just the new corsair
Ye except Corsair still make decent PSUs and cases, Logitec relying completely on peripherals.
Nah dont insult corsair like that, they miss sometimes but they still make good stuff
Corsair has magnetic switch keyboard with rapid trigger and 8000hz.
Their only decent products are gpx superlight / gpx superlight 2 / g305 I wouldn't buy anything other than these their headsets aren't great speakers are mid keyboards are really bad
@@ciesloskyyou forgot the g303 shroud
I can't believe you manage to keep increasing the set design and production quality after already reaching such a high point that is considered the pinnacle of TH-cam tech reviews. Keep it up!
The wooting is one of the only things ive happily waited for. Have been using mine for about 6 or 7 months now and its awesome
I was just about to order the 60he but I think I'll wait...Digging that gradient grey keycap set...Make it be! :)
Ah well, yet again confirming the ancient chinese proverb. "If it aint Dutch, it aint much".
Logitech wireless option is still far ahead than everyone else . It just works , insane battery life and zero connectivity issue like switching from lightspeed to bluetooth seamlessly
I have a g915 and its battery degraded SO fast
Not my superlight tho, so idk what thats about
Also the abs keycaps edges started completely wearing of after less than a year
I get better prices on logitech products where i live, but everything but certain mice and maybe some headsets feel like a scam by now
Thats all sweet and shit but not when this garbage product costs 180 dollars, its an overpriced 50 dollar keyboard. It brings nothing to the table that we havent had in the last decade.
The only switches where you can adjust the trigger point would be hall effect (magnetic). Optical switches are a dead giveaway and usually used in cheaper boards. Not even a good selection of switches for optical imo.
I like the gradient caps you showed
Logitech is mainstream, they make money off of their name. They dont need to make the best stuff to be on top.
That only lasts if they release quality stuff. They can stay afloat but they're going to lose market quick, as TH-camrs keep releasing these disses to them. (rFP, Badseed, etc.)
They are gonna keep losing customers though because not many people are gonna buy overpriced trash when there are so many better options now.
1:52 “Who really needs wireless keyboards?” Me. I do. I HATE cables with a passion. I am carrying out a one-man holy war against them.
Amen brother, even tho i'm a cable guy, i see your point
Gaming from the couch with a lap board so wireless is great.
Same. Although I use logitech peripherals for office and work use only. Their bolt dongle is the most reliable wireless connection I've used so far.
You must really hate having to charge them then
@@Crazyblox batteries do last long
Bought the Logitech Pro TKL 4 years ago, has the same exact features as a brand new Pro series 60%. Nice one Logitech
Nice video! Just wanna ask... what hoodie are you wearing? I've been looking for a plain hoodie and yours looks soo comfy 😭😭
I still cannot get how people buy keyboards for gaming that have no arrow keys. That is such a hard one for me.
I bought and modified the 80% IQUNIX L80 and it is small enough for me to carry it around for work and then get home and game with both function keys and arrow keys.
I’m curious, what do you use the arrow keys for in gaming? I can’t think of a time for many years where a game has used arrows and not wasd or mouse movement in menus. If you need them, the advantage of the wooting is you can set different key behaviour based on depth and length of key press, with the optimum preset the bottom right 4 keys act as the arrow keys if you tap them, and their regular function if you long press them
@@jond7691 Trackmania is something I started playing again actively. Also, I'm a developer and arrow keys are just a must. Plus a lot of games have UI which is really nice to navigate using arrow keys.
There are plenty of games I just can't remember all as of rn. But for me arrow keys are a must
Fair enough, I generally use a controller for racing games so I would be ignorant on that one. I’m a DBA and I use the wooting no problem day to day, the tap keybinds work perfect as arrow keys, you’re right I wouldn’t be able to use it for work without some form of arrow keys. But it’s all personal preference, if you have what you like and works for you, that’s awesome.
@@jond7691 Yeah, I'm just surprised how many people stopped needing arrow keys. It's such a shocker for me but I guess games have changed too and people are just different
"i still cant get how people buy keyboards for gaming that have no useless keys that waste space. That is such a hard one for me."
The Key Control feature is actually KEY REMAPPING. Logitech has NEVER had this feature and only offered it on keyboard that had the extra macro keys on the side and even then they only had this feature for those specific keys. This is their first keyboard that allows you to remap almost any key. Corsair has had this feature for almost a decade also I would like to point out Corsair has a keyboard (K70 Max) that uses magnetic switches with a variable actuation point and the rapid trigger feature you speak of and the ability to map TWO keystrokes to the same key for example doing a light press on the "W" key would make the player walk in a game but holding it down further can make the player run instead
Wtf My 4 year old hyperX mechanical board did that
@@chadultrapromax1735 you mean key remapping because ALL major gaming keyboard manufacturers have had this for years. I remember JayzTwoCents was reviewing the Logitech G900 I think it was called which was a low profile full size wireless keyboard with I think 3 macro keys back like 3-4 years ago and was disappointed he could not remap any keys except those macro ones and they're still like that until they released this keyboard. I have a 8-9 y/o Corsair K70 RGB Rapidfire (The first keyboard to use Cherry MX Speed switches) keyboard that unfortunately died from liquid damage that was fully remappable like this keyboard
@@chadultrapromax1735 you mean key remapping because ALL major gaming keyboard manufacturers have had this for years. I remember JayzTwoCents was reviewing the Logitech G900 I think it was called which was a low profile full size wireless keyboard with I think 3 macro keys back like 3-4 years ago and was disappointed he could not remap any keys except those macro ones and they're still like that until they released this keyboard. I have a 8-9 y/o Corsair K70 RGB Rapidfire (The first keyboard to use Cherry MX Speed switches) keyboard that unfortunately died from liquid damage that was fully remappable like this keyboard
Gradient keycaps look fire. Definitely go with them
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I mostly ignore keyboard stuff, as I'm happy with mine. I knew wooting was a brand, but I knew nothing about the product. That rapid trigger tech is super cool
Would love to have a wooting in a split format like an iris or something along those lines
Man I would love a Wooting 60 but I need split backspace and a split right shift would be nice.
I had a G710+, it was amazing, eventually broke - soldered cherry browns so I didn't repair.
Got a G815, still wanted rotary volume control and fullsize. Other than RGB it was pretty much worse in every way. Macro recording in software had a delay where the old one was instant. Even typing on it now it does some weird hitches and stuff.
They've lost a customer if this 'pro' X60 is the best they can think of.