Dr Who is driving right-wingers nuts and why Starmer wants to praise Thatcher | Podcast #32
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ธ.ค. 2023
- Oli, Ava and Ed discuss Keir Starmer's unprompted praise of Thatcher and whether or not it matters that an alien in a tv show said that a male human was sexy.
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Im in love with how off the rails this podcast gets its so fun whilst still managing to cover real topics.
100%. I had to stop watching Novara Media because it stressed me out, this hits a great balance and I usually walk away feeling happier than before I watched
@@GLTDubsteplollll I had the exact same experience with Novara.
@@ghostsethrich7306here for a similar reason, but do find the nonsense banter goes on way too long. Skipped the first 12 minutes and they still haven't started on the politics... wouldn't mind if it was random facts about beavers... but it's not.
@@GLTDubstep Watching both is the best option.
💯. I would watch the occasional PoliticsJoe video that was recommended to me and gradually the humour got me hooked where I now never miss the weekly podcasts and am left with the buzz that laughter brings ("laughter is the best medicine" is so true). Works great to sweeten the bitterness that politics often leaves.
I think Eds indestructible nerve and ability to absorb endless shit from the table is world class. Bravo lad
I guess these "uberfans" must have missed the Doctor flirting with Captain Jack in the first goddamn series of the show's modern incarnation. Seriously, anyone who thought that the return of Russell T Davies was going to make the show less gay must have completely lost it.
first four seasons post 2007 were exceptionally camp, RTD was always for the girls, gays & theys.
Back in 2007 the world was slightly saner, and not quite so obsessed with culture wars, pointless navel gazing and generally being offended by everything and demanding it be banned, while insisting they were a free speech warrior. 🤷♂
Captain Jack is my favourite doctor companion, however the first episode has some weird lines like the doctor being called out for misgendering the alien or being told by Donna (who only knows who Tennant’s doctor is like and even then her memory was wiped) he was better as a woman. Its poor writing if anything
My wife and I love doctor who and it's been fun predicting our right wing family members being triggered by these episodes.
Nothing about left vs right. I'm as leftwing as you can get without being a blue haired far left extremist.
What they have done to Doctor who is nothing but gravely insulting on multiple fronts.
It's not just Dr Who, it's the entire entertainment industry where the battlegrounds are drawn.
As much as I don't like the term, there is no other way to describe it. This woke campaign is nothing but a cancer that only seeks to appeal to the mentally ill.
Ava moaning every episode that we don't get enough into the politics, then giving us a whole turbid dating history of one of her friends and finishing with that one line ❤
Can't believe you discussed Dr Who, but none of you had even seen it! State of British journalism!
They didn't need to have seen it to comment on the pathetic outrage though.
@@joetrent4753 true, but it's typically the tabloid press and moral objectors who construct outrage about what they haven't seen.
They weren't reviewing the show or anything. They were discussing the events surrounding it
@@dh1380 they did a bit!
@@joetrent4753 I can tell you for a fact they got the content that provoked outrage completely wrong on all counts - how can they comment on pathetic outrage if they don't know what it was about. There's someone commenting above trying to excuse objecting to gay/ trans representation ...and the pubcast trio were treating this like a joke. This was terrible journalism. Couldn't be bothered to research it and spent half the show giggling about sex while implying DW is a children's show and so... doesn't matter?
I knew Dr who would trigger the right but didn't see it being him saying Newton was attractive lol Also excited for the 100th episode great work everyone
Dr Who has never run his/her own business, has no investments or pension and is a peace loving hippie.
The kids have been brainwashed with the agenda for the last twenty years to the point where they don't even know it.
I have completely lost track of things that "would trigger the Right"; pretty much they get triggered by whatever they feel like being triggered by, which is every motherfucking thing.
The Potter allegory is simple. Starmer is Head Boy Weasley who goes against his family working for Fudge in the ministry and not believing that Voldemort has returned. Done. I better get likes for this.
Nailed it! 😂
Starmer is more like JK Rowling pretending to one thing then constantly dropping hints that appeal to bigots before then becoming Queen bigot herself. Starmer is becoming Captain Tory.
Im not sure it’s usual to laugh so hard that milk comes out of your nose at a politics podcast but you guys get me every time 😂😂
I often wondered if Harry, Ron and Hermione went on to jobs in the media and it's heartwarming to see you all still together😊
Frankly, the new new Who is so fast paced and funny that's it's genuinely been a highlight of the last couple of weeks. Not something that could be said of the last few series. Gill, Walsh and Whittaker gave some good performances but the pacing was real slow in places, dialogue with some set pieces rather than adventure and fun.
Ava almost closes the show with the best line of the day !
Starmer needs to brings in proportional represenation when in power, while these Theatrics are annoying him delivering us a stable truly representive democracy is more important
But…he has never said he’d do this so these aren’t theatrics are they
@CambeulWalker he never said, but the party and the union overwhelming voted for it, and he damn well knows that our democracy is on a knife edge right now.
if he fails to act he will be the biggest failure in British democratic history, and I (and I'm sure many others) will rightly rip into him for it.
PR might not be what you want. Could mean both tories and reform UK winning seats.
@@colincampbell4261
Under the Westminster First Past the Post voting system David Cameron's Tories won the 2015 Westminster general election with only 36.8% of the vote, 63.2% of the UK people didn't vote for the Tories in that election.
David Cameron's Tories had the disastrous Brexit referendum in 2016.
PR is important but an overhaul of press and media regulations is even more vital. I doubt PR will be introduced in Labour's first term, but I hope I am wrong.
I love how the politics content has dropped to like 10% but the other 90% is pure entertainment.
As a heterosexual male, happy and confident in that. I do not see what the problem with Dr Who is. It does not matter what I see or here on TV, I know it's not going to change how I feel. I think the only people that would be worried about it, are people who are unhappy, and not confident with their sexuality.
But is that thing male or female?
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 ? Do you not think the heterosexual male bit, may have given it away?
I am male and like females.
I have watched Dr Who since I was 4 when it returned. It has been part of my life. As a queer person I don’t cry every time I see a straight white male character, I just get a little bored as there are so many and it has been that way for a while, but I don’t resent it as it is import to show all people. I do love seeing representation of my community and reflecting our country ie POC, queers, disable people etc etc. seeing all these majority white cis het men bigots cry (no surprise they are the ones moaning as they are not the centre of attention) does make me laugh .
The vast majority of people who are complaining do not have a problem with representation, this is a sinister misrepresentation. They just don't want their favourite characters changed for the sake of cheaply representing X group. Just make new characters with interesting stories. it's that simple.
In all fairness though your comment doesn't help matters. You sort of assume anyone who doesn't like the change in doctor who is a biggot in some way.
I think people should accept that some times change isn't always " for representation " and is often a generic marketing scheme to get appeal to left leaning audiences.
Everything disney get involved with becomes a vessel for a woke narrative.
It's sci-fi. It's been fine for years and years without gender politics.
The reason people are moaning is because they are sick of it being shoehorned into stuff.
I know lots of queer / lgbqt friends that are also just as sick of hearing about legacy shows or movies being changed in some way to make it more " woke ".
Southpark literally done a special about this exact thing.
It's not about being threatened or triggered by some one's politics. Its about " the message " infecting every single classic show or film now and changing already established lore into something else entirley.
It's about people being sick of being lectured when they are trying to forget about real life and loose themselves in something sci-fi.
People don't want to see every single lead male character in a beloved franchise get talked down to by a woman because " women are strong and don't need no man '
No one ever watched Doctor who and thought. You know what, the doctor always assumes aliens genders. What a douch.....
Like it's ridiculous that they thought they needsd to put it in.
You telling me it felt natural in the script? Seeing those words in a script. It felt like something the doctor would talk about ?
And now suddenly he's into men too ?
All since Disney got involved. ?
You don't see the link here at all ?
No one cares when Daniel Craig had banter in skyfall as James bond admitted to having been with a man before.
It felt like something bond was confident to talk about. It fit the narrative.
Doctor who at the moment is just being puppeted by Disney.
You don't have to be a bigot to disagree with a company like Disney messing with a beloved franchise to " send a message ".
My children didn't like it. They are not bigots or white hets or any denomination you can choose. All the 'representation' made them feel uncomfortable and go 'ewww'.
@@BeanyBop I did not mean it to come across as portraying the people who complain as bigoted.
I'll just chalk it up to being very tired after a 12 hour shift.
The reason I made a comment is because I've become increasingly frustrated is reading/hearing comments from people who don't seem to care about creating good and interesting narrative and it's got to the point where people like me (who I strongly identify as an old-school left leaning type) can't seem to enjoy anything anymore because this crusade to push the message has greatly impacted quality in an entertainment medium I once held very dear.
Straight white makes are the ones who just seem to quietly get on with getting in, it seems to be the progressive feminist queer types who feel constantly put out when not getting enough attention 🤷🏻♂️
Who is Ava’s enemy
Really enjoyed the bit when 3 people who hadn’t watched a v show talked about it for half an hour
Whilst making fun of it and mocking those who do like it for not being happy. Top tier stuff. Really down to earth
Down to earth lmao. As if there’s some class war aspect to it.
Nice to see Doctor Who making people hide behind sofas again, rather than children its Daily Mail Readers this time 😂
Wild Blue Yonder was such a fantastic episode of Dr Who, reminiscent of the psychological horror of Midnight. Very pleased.
I thought the same and Midnight is for sure an underrated gem
Midnight best episode, I will die on this hill
Ava's sad puppy face after Oli went ballistic with that scream at the start.❤😂😊
And her squint at the very end as well. Perfect.
Very deliberately Starmer mentioned what Thatcher aimed to do without actually‘praising’ her. It is no different to Zelenskyy bringing up historical events of certain countries to try and appeal to them. It honestly isn’t that deep
Courting Thatcherites sounds about right. It’s fair to question why he feels the need to do that
Because at the very least, Starmer needs to persuade them to stay at home.
The awkward issue of being in a First Past The Post electoral system which consistently allows a party to get an absolute majority despite only getting between 25-40% of the popular vote.
Suppressing the opposition vote is almost as good as boosting your own, and potentially easier.
Those Thatcherites won’t vote Labour, but if they can be persuaded that Starmer isn’t a dire threat that they absolutely must vote against in order to save the country? (You know, like Corbyn.) Well, then they’ll be more inclined to punish the conservatives for being 💩 by not voting or voting third party.
@samhewson5443 This 1,000%. The issue at hand is whether he gains voters or keeps Tory voters at home. There's a real disparity in coverage between those who've actually read what he said and those who just read a headline (from a Tory paper who might possibly have an incentive to embellish the headline to discredit him).
For what it's worth, he 100% should be targeting these voters because every other voter to the left of these ones should be voting Labor/Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. If he gets elected and then starts implementing Thatcherite policies that is the point where we can take real umbrage with him, but this is just basic electrical politics in a FFP system 🤷
@@billybobthornton9668 what bugs me is that the hosts mentioned the contents of the article but because the headline falsely claims Starmer praised Thatcher they’ve been convinced that he was praising her. Media propaganda at its most subliminal
It’s a shame because I really love Oli Eva and the other guy I’ve forgotten the name of haha. Unlike Novara and Owen Jones I actually find them to be a good group, who better represent the Left. Labour’s problem is that not only are there so many Right wing news outlets but the far Left ones regurgitate the rhetoric of the Right and vice versa. I don’t think I agree with the horseshoe theory entirely but where I can agree with it is when it comes to how the far Left and far Right do just as much harm to the UK in terms of keeping the Tories in. And I say that as a soft Left maybe even hard Left Labourman who’d like to see more than Blair, Wilson or Attlee at the next election. To try and use this fake news to undermine even slight positive change is naive and self-injurious
Another excellent episode. There was a cut a couple of minutes in, and seeing where the chat went, I'd love to know what got cut out.
It’s all about the gay space wizards, they’re so in this season. And the guy playing Isaac newton was hot, that’s not queer, it’s simple observation. I’m glad the kids in my family will grow up in a more inclusive culture.
Didnt this show used to be about politics?
so, wes anderson nonce hunter is pure genius, thanks for the heads up!
The right-wingnuts so enraged over Doctor Who must not be Whovians as the show had tackled these issues for decades, way before they got angry about everything for no reason. The Meep was brilliantly voiced by Miriam Margolyes and they will be shocked to know that Isaac Newton, the Doctor and Donna never actually met (all revealed in the Unleashed series)
The perfect irony of people discussing the stunning bravery of RTD's new Who.That don't watch Dr.Who... 😂
When is the 100th episode being aired?
Turn the 100th episode into a drink-a-long game.
Each time you go off topic, we drink. 😵💫
Politicjoe seems like the most toxic workplace 🤣🤣 poor ed
I stand with Ed that this is basic level of HP knowledge. I read the books once as a kid and have seen the movies once (or mabey twice in bits over the years) and none of this knowledge was beyond my reckoning.
It felt like taking the piss out of somebody from knowing what a light saber was or who was Luke Skywalkers dad is 😅
They are bullying that speccy kid to look cool.
what day will the 100th episode be?
Does it count as a spoiler if it's the entire plot in sequence?
Ollie, with his anti-fantasy propaganda , such a sports scientist
Babe-Respector, should be the phrase we replace womens rights with
Doctor Who and Beepcast. Two of my favourite things.
Call it the Meepcast
@@atharvavadeyar5157 Yes
LOVE DALEKS, HATE AZORBALOFFS, IT'S THE POLITICS JOE MEEPCAST LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Woop woop! 🎉
@@cipherhex LOVE GALLIFREY, HATE SKARO
Starmer was defending Miners in the Miner stikes & when they couldn't afford it he would do it pro bono. Tbh I really don't think what he said was much praise. Just saying she made change happen and tried to spur on entrepeneuship isn't much praise.
100% agree; judge people based on what they do, not what they say (or are incorrectly assumed to have said in this case)
You forgot to bleep pubcast around the 44 minute mark xx
"Put another gay diverse chick in it and make it more lame" Eric Cartman 2023
Or Mary Whitehouse 1978, Toryboy.. 🤣
@@BassandoForteKeep an eye for Disney executives under your bed. Doctor who certainly didn't.
@jim-es8qk - Disney are far too busy famously hating Jews... 😜
@@jim-es8qkjust like the Boogie monster under the bed that all sane children realised was not real in the end.
@@m.a.b.4104Reality bites eventually, and Disney is judged by the number of people who watch their films and the amount of money they make. They have had to cancel numerous projects, including Snow White, and the Marvels are a disaster. They either change their strategy or a business that has lasted over 100 years goes bust. A company loved by billions is being destroyed.
Ava on one in this ep - bloody hilarious!
Darren Grimes needs to be strapped down and forced to watch all the Torchwood 😅😅
love the random Potter and Who chat but would’ve loved to hear your opinions on the recent immigration reform stuff.
I disliked because this was only an hour long.
I lied, I left a like, but you guys need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and pump out 8 hour podcasts.
Daily.
Completely agree. I enjoy the off-topic as much as the on-topic chat, could easily have 2 hour episodes!
Exactly!
People saying the transgender thing was forced are idiots. The doctor referred to the Meep as 'him' and Rose was rightfully confused and questioned the Doctor. Not having Rose interrupt would go against her character, it's silly to assume the gender of an alien race anyway, especially since as the Meep said itself, he got it wrong.
Oli looks like the presence of Death in the film The Seventh Seal. 😆
The cut at the end just sums up the whole dynamic- my god. This was an incredible episode.
Love a good [beep]cast
First we had "Cenetaph Defenders". Now we've got "Wizard defenders" - 2023 is the gift that keeps on giving. Anyway Doesn't Dr. Who always drive right winger's nuts? Or just sci-fi in general? Bros watched TNG and thought the Cardassian were the good guys.
Yeah, the Dominion were the good gu.... XD
Ed must have been orgasmic bliss when he found out that Harry Potter looked just like him.
Can you do a libdem-esque shit tractor stunt for the 100th ep 😂
This episode was absolutely insane and I am here for it! You were all on such top form as complete chaos merchants. Also love hearing the crew laughing in the background, it genuinely adds to the hilarity
The episode where Oli bullies everyone 😂
If Starmer suddenly starts wearing a hat then we know it's concealing the face of Maggie Thatcher
keir starmer is the horcrux maggie thatcher never meant to make
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This is the difference between watchers and actual fans, The Doctor and Captain Jack were always flirting, to the point it was basically implied they were a thing.
What did make me mad about this episode is they ret-conned Mavity into existence with no explanation!
Also, to be fair, soon to be Sir, Isaac Newton, was hot...
I judge starmer on what he does in power. He needs to be left of blair and for social justice better wealth distrbution.
It'll be too late then
@@itsalwaystwentyfivetosixo.3805 ????
Sadly the Labour front bench struggle to be left of Cameron and Osborne 🙁
Money talks, people mumble.
@@itsalwaystwentyfivetosixo.3805 to late for what? There's literally no way his government could possibly be worse than the Tories. He could drop dead on the 2nd day of the parliament or get dementia and it would still be a step up.
Challenge to fellow viewers: who was the journalist Ava alluding to?
Isn’t the point that they aren’t really a journalist ? I guess they are some kind of model likely from the reality tv sphere like love island or something who occasionally writes columns. No idea who it could be
@@gm9460I interpreted them suggesting she's not really a journalist as a slight instead of a clarification. Other than that I have no idea who it is.
I can't believe Ed and I came to the same Harry Potter example..😂
Was the editor on holiday?
Those first chaotic 5 minutes are gold.
The funniest thing is my daughter came over as I was watching and asked if that was Harry potter 😂🤣
STREETS LOCK ARF FIDDEM 😆
"Love the bump, hate the woman" 😂 great slogan!
Just for balance, the Left Wing going nuts over what Starmer said about Maggie.
Was Hunter S Thompson producer on this episode? As a 70 year old many of the references were beyond me, but enjoyed every minute of it.
I can't believe the wizard railed the baby yoda, what a state this country is in.
It's well known Issac Newton had just finished sweeping his chimney just before discovering gravity.
That jump 5 minutes in 🤔🤣
Politics Joe Thugcast
This might be the best ep yet
Practicing bigamy until you're really good at it.
Already on the floor after the first minute 😂😂😂
What an amazing last 10 minutes 🤣🤣
How unhinged was this 😅 love it
Submission for the 100th ep. Q&A segment:
What lasting impact has the UK'S Westminster system had on excolonies like Australia, Canada and New Zealand?
Or alternatively what deviations from the Westminster system have had the most impact on Australia, Canada and New Zealand?🤔
Was going to ask, would you let Russell Brand housesit your teenage niece while you went on holiday, but knew the answer when I remembered the podcasts anti-nonce stance.
If you need a resident Doctor Who freak to bully instead of Ed, I can talk about that wizard alien
24:24 Ollie: "Would you just let us have this one thing?"
Ava: "YOU HAVE EVERYTHING!"
So real.
maybe engage with the media that you are commentating on next time
These podcasts must hold the world record for number of laughs at unfunny jokes.
Quita a lot of this reaches the level that would be of interest to a bullying tribunal.
So you're a ❄️ed Conservative... 🤣🤣
You all are, after all... 🤣🤣
There are ways for you to filter comments on your videos. So you could have people tag their comment with Q&A
I'm sure the ratio of news chat to chatting shit is shifting as time goes on
It's still got a long way to go to be as low as GBNews... 🤣
What did Oli even say at the start that caused the upset?
Best one yet. I feel guilty that I'm not angry at the lack of politics
Bringing together my two favourite things, Doctor Who and chaotic p**cast
I have a question for Ava and Oli respectively:
How have your affluent South London upbringing, two gap years, fanatical love of 'The Great Gatsby', and the companionship of your friends' boyfriends, influenced your career as a Labour Conference DJ booth journalist?
What lessons from your favourite, beloved character, and role model, 'Tyler Durden,' have you taken into your relationships and career in political journalism? Additionally, I would be interested to know: at what point in your rich private schooling did you fall in love with the character?
#fatneek
If you really want to worry about being cancelled invite my favourite comedian Elliot Steel on and see what comes up. I would heartily endorse this crossover. I'm also immensely f*ed off today so this may be impacting my judgement.
question for Ed, 100th episode. Ed do you have a buckfast story? and does it involve Harry Potter?
You know how you do clips from the podcast of stuff that’s about politics and current affairs?
Can we also have a “banter only” edit? Churrrr
Doctors been checking out men and other aliens for decades by this point, the moaners would know this if they were *real* nerds
Oli's trim looks lush
You need to have a discussion about how Ed looks like Harry Potter with a buzz cut.
It took 4 books before Ollie realised all the Potter books are the same😮
Cannot believe they were not sure what "running a train" meant. Hopefully Ollie now cannot get Starmer running a train on Sunak out of his head.
This is the only podcast I listen to. Literally can't stand them usually but this one is just 10/10.
that black Hoodie behind the mic, looks amazing as a cool design. you should make them into real printed jumpers with the Joe logo
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Surely Voldemort didn't know Harry was a horcrux? He was created by accident when the spell bounced off him when Voldy killed his Mum.
Starmer did not laud Thatcher. He said she brought about change. He did not say that it was necessarily change for the good. C'mon your are better than this!!!
Starmer has all his sheep trying to explain what he meant.
That says it all.
Messaging.
You’re just lying lmao
It's a "vote for me" piece. In such articles, you mention previous politicians for one of two reasons - either to condemn them as failures and state how you are different, or remind people of their success, and imply that you are the natural successor to that legacy
He didn't reference Thatcher as a failure...
They really aren’t though. I think they used to be. I was slightly flabbergasted to see they interviewed Douglas Murray back in 2020. I can’t imagine they’d be seen dead giving him even a second of air time now.
@@StratsRUs Baaaa🐑😛