Young people still hate the Tories, Just Stop Oil take on the rugby and the Ely riots | Pubcast #5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2023
- On this week's Pubcast we're looking into the Ely riots, what led to the unrest and how the police have yet again placed themselves firmly in the crosshairs of public outrage.
We then take another dip into the world of Just Stop Oil, after they brought the Premiership final at Twickenham to a standstill over the weekend.
Finally, we reflect on the concerns coming from CCHQ that millennials are not flocking to the Conservatives in their old age. We try to work out how the Tories have only just realised this.
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why would we do that, we're here to see Ed be whipped :')
Can you guys do us (People who stop listening when people start talking football) a favour and post the time when you start talking news, Please!
I completely missed the first story.
Just to state the obvious, Ava is an educated articulate white woman so a crime perpetrated against her is obviously treated differently to, say, a black kid in lambeth. Not to say white women are not victims of bad policing (sarah everard) but the explanation of her positive experience is definitely not because one police force is good and the other is bad - the underlying systemic issue is related to the nature of policing as an institution, not the Met just being mean for no reason
Totally right. I think the takeaway from that is that they know how to police well and when they don't it's nothing but a choice. When you really think about that it's so disgusting.
pulled a muscle laughing in the last 3 minutes, thanks guys
Ummm, what exactly was the thought process behind this thumbnail?!!🙄😂🤣
50 Shades of JOE
37:22 if anyone wants to skip to it
Great, so we can finally start having a familly at 65 😅 Thanks conservative voters, it was all worth it.
Or we somehow ‘dispose’ of those boomers to get that sweet sweet inheritance tsunami.
Although they’ll likely tax 90% of it off us.
Wondering why this is called the pubcast but as it ended I realised it's the exact weird af conversation me and my friends have done the pub as it clears the whole room...
And they’re drinking
pretty sure its just the whole marketing of the channel. To get newer, (cooler?), probably 22-30s involved in politics
@@joejjj4378 Which we bloody need, if we leave voting to the pensioners we've got 5 years of Lee Anderson or Suella as PM.
"And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met." Martin Luther King
Tories cut the funding of the police for 13 years and it results in this divide and conquer culture of the left attacking the police like they are the same as back in the Maggie T days.
@@yesoutdoors2389 they do be lying tho
"Its a serious police issue" got me at the end there 😂
Birmingham six, Guildford four, thousands of Irish imprisoned without trial etc. Its been going on since the 1970's. british police, british media and british politicians did this.
In South Africa, communities often say they burn buildings to send smoke signals to the politicians who then come to address them.
It's the lying that infuriates, and the Tories wonder why people hate them, serial liars though they be. Millennials have been shafted by the Tories, so no surprise they are dumping them. In 1975 when I worked at a service station (Birch) on the night shift, there was a raid on the petrol station. The young chap on duty - who was of course already in shock - was taken to the police station and accused of collusion in the crime. From his account, he was physically mistreated. I've never trusted a policeman since, even though now I'm a middle-class retiree who is what they call 'socially conservative' and very law-abiding. There must be scope for financial instruments that allow you to get on the property ladder without a deposit.
And without going into 35 years of half of your income servicing debt.
I would quite like time stamps for different sections of the pubcast
My friend was pulled over by the police "for speeding". My friend said that he was conscious of the speed limit as it was close to his house, and said, respectfully that they were mistaken. "Are you trying to be clever" was the reply from the policeman. He then said "And you're not wearing your seatbelt". My friend was wearing his seatbelt, and asked what was the policeman talking about. "Well, who is the judge gonna believe : me or you" was the policeman's response, and wrote up a ticket for speeding and not wearing a seatbelt. My friend had to pay the fine.
There comes a point in many/most peoples lives when they shift from accepting police statements in good faith to realizing that everything they say is a tactical statement and cannot be trusted. It's a bleak realization, unless you are brought up that way to begin with.
This is the content I signed up for 10/10😂
Care package secured :):) x
"Riot is the language of the unheard" Martin Luther King
It's actually quite rare for news to be this informative about socio-economic conditions
Damn I love your giggling asides and just banter during the show
That was funking hilarious and informative big cheers guys
I'm from Merseyside and recently my home was broken into and my motorbike was stolen. The house was turned inside out by the thief looking for keys and money was stolen which we were saving up for our daughter.
The Merseyside police were SUPER kind, very thorough and even helped us to sort out insurance claims etc (basically we left back door unlocked, the copper broke the lock for us, then called locksmith so that we could claim for the damage and loss of money). He didn't need to do that and it would probably have gotten him in trouble if he was found out.
I think that some people have good experience and others have bad. London Met seems to be a very negatively represented organisation.
It helps that Merseyside and Staffs have less people there too, so it's more community focused
Equally, I live in a very low population density area BUT I still come under the "Greater Manchester police" banner which means you just don't get that community policing.
In the nicest possible way, you like the police as they helped you commit Insurance fraud (paid for by all the other policy holders who will now pay higher rates so not a victimless crime)?
Interesting ethics.
So are there other crimes you feel it is acceptable for the police to facilitate?
@@Boghopper9999 To be fair, insurance is a bit of a racket in the first place, and the whole 'but premiums have to rise because of fraud' thing is something of a red herring to distract from the fact that the premiums are priced to make a handsome profit for shareholders. And whilst I don't know the exact circumstances here, if someone who's been paying for insurance has a moment of forgetfulness...the kind of thing that any of us are capable of...it would seem an injustice to punish them further for that mistake; the crime was committed by the person who stole the stuff.
Ethics is a complicated subject, and I can see reasonable arguments against my position, but conflating what is legal with what is ethical is often a mistake.
I've had good experiences working with Merseyside Police colleagues, we've been able (NHS and local VSE orgs) to use their proceeds of crime fund (assets of criminals and drug dealers) to invest in neighbourhood community projects (Over 200k in Croxteth, Speke, Dovecot, Old Swan etc). The ones I speak to consider Suella's protest laws as a 'massive distraction' taking officers away from community policing.
@@Boghopper9999 I have had good experience with the police throughout my adult life tbh. Not that there have been many times where we have crossed paths. I also know of people who have had mainly positive experience locally woth police.
I understand your point about the insurance, but to reiterate, I didn't ask for him to help but I think he could see that my girlfriend was visibly extremely stressed out by what had happened. Fortunately we were out of the house and our daughter was at my parents. The garage door was locked and typically we are always vigilant with the rear door into the house also, so it didn't feel like cheating the system. I was just trying to make the point that, this copper who didn't know us, who had no reason to help us personally other than to take statements, went out of his way to help make us feel slightly less assaulted.
I'm not sure if you have ever had somebody enter your house without your consent, or literally empty every cupboard and drawer, even take a drink from the fridge while he was looting and I hope you never do. I was happy the copper helped us and if I was in his situation, I would like to think I would help people too.
These are great, can you do them more often? :D
Smashing work improving the audio, folks. Top notch.
Where does one find details for said paintballing match, asking for a friend.
We’ll DM you chief
@@PoliticsJOE you do God’s work
As someone from Stafford, I can assure you we don't need to "go feral", go out on a Friday Night and you'll discover we already are...
Martin Luther - a riot is the voice of the unheard.
There’s gonna be a significant change to inheritance laws to prevent that.
Chances are the Chelsea flower show just thought Just Stop Oil were some sort of amateur dramatics group, and not clapping at the performance would be considered rude.
A good friend is nowadays a handyman, but in his time has served in the Army, driven an HGV, risen from working on the shopfloor to managing the factory, and set up and run his own business. Some years ago, he was working on a flat when the buildings manager (who he knew) came in and asked for help. He and a pair of police officers had been called to another flat whose occupant hadn't been seen for several days; there were full milk bottles outside the door, and so on. On being assured he had permission, he fetched a crowbar and jemmied the door. The old man had clearly been dead for several days, and had half-fallen out of bed, revealing a stash of £20 and £50 notes spilling out from under the mattress.
A few days later, he ran into the buildings manager again.
"How much money do you think was there?"
"No idea. £5,000 or £10,000?"
"The police report said £500."
West Midlands.
i recommended this to my teacher and this is the thumbmail, he's gonna think i'm a weirdo now 🤣🤣
When it comes to police with criminal records - the only suitable explanation is either clannishness, or far more widespread criminality than is currently known. If criminal officers are so rare, the force should have no problem with the notion of dropping any officer when they're caught in criminal acts. Either they don't want to expel 'their own' on principle, or that would discount too many officers.
Where’s Neil! I’m here for Neil!
I hate to state something obvious. I taught in a college that trained potential police officers. There was much damage and crime among that area of the college. My thought was that the difference between a criminal and a police officer who wants to seek out criminal behaviour is about a hair's breadth.
Millennials are anyone born between 1981 & 1996. The oldest are approaching 42 and the youngest are 27 in 2023.
What are you hoping for at the sentencing? It must start with a capital letter and end with a full stop and perhaps include a subordinate clause and a comma or two.
That thumbnail is amazing
Wow, strong finish to the pub cast 😅
Totally agree with you on Just Stop Oil, I was at the final and thought it was a great platform for a protest, minimal disruption, lots of people talking about it afterwards, and I totally support them, but I do always wish they had a clearer message. Also not everyone who watches rugby falls under the stereotypes you present here, some of us like sport and support anyone who will stand up to climate injustice...it's not always us or them ✌
Thank fuck for this podcast. Keeping me sane and letting me know there's at least a few media people out there who aren't right wing nuts. Any recs for similar content?
Novara Media is a fave o mine. Doubledown news are ok as well.
my brother found his friend had passed himself away in his room because of the smell. an office came and started insulting the deceased and blaming my brother. acab
Vivid news imagery at the end there 😂
34:00 crabs in a bucket one of my favourite images and also 2 of my favourite albums (listen to nines and vince staples)
Nothing wrong with that Neil, don't ever give up on your streams.
12 years sounds too short to me !
The Met came to Staffordshire during the Miners strike. The crime rate in Lichfield, where they were billeted went through the roof they were spending their overtime in the pubs at the weekend and causing bother. They can stay in London thanks.
Great podcasting as always. I didn't mind some derailing it's good fun and it suits the style.
There will still be a core of young people who will be conservative because they are born in to wealth and have benefited from the current systems. The torries are very good at getting their vote out.
I thnk most of the analysis coming from the left about people not getting more conservative as they get older is correct. Why would people vote for a party if they're not offereing them anything or representing their interests.
What would be really interesting would be if there was any indication that it was driving younger people towards labour or if it was just making them even more disenfranchised.
I saw on the social media clip you cut off the bit about Tory MPs choking themselves to get off. Probably for the best, even though it was really funny.
Good that guy getting a sentence. I think the hate being spread and pushed online via social media etc is more dangerous than other more common criminal offences. The ability for online hate to affect individuals and communities, as well as it's ability to draw in idiots makes it a far more socially intrusive problem than shop lifting or disturbing the peace etc
Strong thumbnail game
Oli & Ed are the real freaky ones
Sweating ramen spice or not, Ava is 🔥
"To whom do we complain, and in what tone of voice, when serious discourse dissolves into giggles?" (Neil Postman)
I think the Tories are at the end of their tether with millenials, and are just trying to punish them into voting Tory out of some kind of Stockholm Syndrome.
Splott is the other side of the city fromEly Olly but kudos for Connections to the diff.
DO FULL HOUR plz
My little bristol charity had a garden at the chelsea flower show last year. It's not just freaks babe.
I have to wonder about the intersection between Tory MPs and the submissives in Ed's event. I can still recall the scandals around David Mellor from the 90s, and John Whittingdale from 2016. It must be growing up with corporal punishment at their posh schools.
Well, if Staffordshire police can take Lee Anderson out.
Young people need to vote
Yes anyone who can make an x no need to understand it's not like our lives and future are at stake
Please stop this idea that the only issue is not being able to save for a deposit!!!
This issue that compared to previous generations house prices are massively higher relative to wages. Pushing this idea that, "I can pay exorbitant rent, therefore I can afford a mortgage," just leads to the normalisation of 100% mortgages which only protects (and increases) current prices.
Can we see a discussion on Labour MP's taking sex workers to the House of Commons for 'a drink' as Mr Geraint Davies did??
Where did he come from? where did he go? Where did he come from? Politics Joe!
As much as I found that hilarious 😂 I did take issue with the lack of actual substance especially on the Ely riots. And I wouldn't say that deposits are the main issue for first time buyers, it a symptom of the wider issue (wage stagnation/reduction and constant house price inflation)
Riots are like a child taking a tantrum it's embarrassing in my opinion
Some people are never heard until they start to riot. We aint all afforded the same representation. If the police are selling a false narrative how else are the people policed by them meant to show discontent?
Respectability politics can blow me.
Yeah totally get corruption these days is bad wealth holders dictate our life's but we the people put them there and we the people can take them away in a democracy but life Is value very little these days honestly might redacted my opinion recently there really making people suffer these days the temper brewing thanks for replying
am pretty sure splott warehouse is in splott and not ely
you are right and i am an idiot no idea why i said that
Who told u guys about my Satumas!?nothing is sacred anymore...😝
I want more Ava in my life.
How about a paintball 'match' with armed podcast hosts against nonces without guns?
Keir Starmer says Britain's future is outside the EU so even if Labour win the next general election next year Britain will not rejoin the EU
Can't beat a bit of Rage! 😊
I live for how manic you all end up by the end
Y'all wanna explain the video preview image? x x
We need the Snyder cut bring back the choking it was hilarious… Political kinks has to be a segment the people demand it!!! Yes that’s 3 exclamation marks because I fucking mean it.
#Kinkcast
Oil has been listening to too much Rory Stewart and has picked up his habit of moving on conversation with a quick ‘very good’. (3:10)
The guardian called TRIP ‘the lobby journal of centrist dads’… I didn’t know Oli had kids!
Am a proud centrist Dad... who regularly gets called woke, communist or elitist for disagreeing with/ calling out bigots lol
Holy shit, that degenerated!!
So Millennials are born between 1981-1996 (27-42 years old) :)
Young people have always hated the Tory’s.
Been the case for 50+ years
No news here
A bit more no news for you
The same young people grow old and start voting for Tory’s
Borrrring!!!
"im familiar with ely" says the guy who didnt know how to pronounce it last time 😂
Yes to the RATM lyrics.
Also a very interesting video on why millennials aren't becoming right wing was done by "Beau of the 5th Column". It's called "let talk about becoming more conservative as you get older"
I've recently been cutting down on my subscriptions to US politics channels, and had a mental shortlist of channels to unsub from. Beau was never on that shortlist, and likely never will be...one of the sanest voices coming from a deeply troubled country.
@@shtarpark7938 absolutely, he offers such interesting insights, I wish we had a British version of him
Honest to God, most coppers do not care or are bent / crooked AF.
Like line of duty, but in reverse.
I say from now on you cannot finish the podcast until your glass is empty. Thoughts?
#Chugcast
Oh yeah, there's 3 Ely's in UK...
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast
Guys, you're going to have to stop, the laughter that your podcast forced out of me nearly got me caught dodging work in the office. Brilliants, don't go changing. Yours, senor crab.
❤
Ah, but you forgot the boomers who increasingly end up in nursing homes and to get a decent level of care (which is still indecent in the real world), have to sell their house and milk their accounts dry to pay for it, leaving bugger all in inheritance for millennials.
When you make an error of judgement, as a journalist, what is the outcome?
When a police officer, a surgeon, a social worker, a probation officer, a prison officer, a nurse or an MP makes an error of judgement, what is the outcome?
Depends on the severity of the fuck up. A journalists fuck up can severely malign a persons character. They all can "ruin" someone's life rather dramatically. Unless you are asking about accountability?
@Billy Lyons Yes, a journalist can destroy a career, but not a life
Hmmm, extinction rebelión need to give their people a master class in media management.
They need to stop putting people that look like hippies in interviews and letting them talk about a climate genocide.
Sorry to break it to them, nobody cares about a genocide untill you can put a camera Infront of a pile of bodies with Bono or Bob Geldof on hand singing a catchy tune.
Get them in an interview giving clear snappy arguments about how we already throw billions at oil companies to extract a resource we have no control over the global price of and required sending Bobbo and Chazza off to a middle eastern dictatorship to maintain the dominance of a cartel.
The best piece of just stop oil press I've seen was on Country File, yes the BBC on a Sunday night.
They were in Scotland talking oil industry subsidies. The extinction rebelión person gave a great example of how stupid the system is.
It's a windy Rainey day in nowhere ville Scotland. They stood next to a pipe line coming to shore from the oil fields.
The extinction rebelión rep points out to sea and said "if shell put a wind turbine here and ran a cable out to an oil rig. They can get all the construction costs paid. On the other hand, if they built a wind turbine here and ran a cable to that village, he points to a postcard perfect seaside village. Shell or whoever built it would need to fund the project with 0 help.
I love PoliticsJOE but the only thing that concerns me about it is that their commentary is in fact indicative of their generation. In that they love to comment but that is as far as it goes. Action does speak louder than words and this is something lacking in British society more now than ever. Their whole generation are being put upon and the retort has been a trending meme.
I assure you millennials will hardly inherit a thing - the cost of care homes and social care will leech it all away first
Ava is fucking hilarious
Seconded! #Ava4PM
ACAB.
You guys alright? 😂
Nah they'll take your parents money for dementia it won't come to you
1995-1997 are generational cuspers aka boomer zoomers. Our primary school years were pretty much consistent with millennials but our secondary school years were more similar to gen Z. All the stuff that came out in like 2005-2008 that affected childhood experiences in a big way happened right as we started secondary school - smartphones, Facebook, TH-cam, Xbox Live etc. It was the era before parents and schools had any oversight over social media so tons of shitposts on Facebook, rampant cyber bullying, ridiculously toxic call of duty lobbies, etc.
Lots of streamers and influencers are right in that age bracket, definitely a unique experience and perspective on technology.
Its impossible to bitch about Seb Payne too much. Thats a fact.
49!!! 😅
Boomers are mostly not rich. Some might have a house they own as an asset, but that's for retirement.
Yeah... guys! Probably best if you and the camera operator don't do weed before the take? The some of the more interesting content was getting a bit lost in the giggled tangents ;-)
no foam on her beer. is this sexism against women drinking?
Sounds like Ava knows how to properly pour a pint...