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- Taking a look at switch panels designed after the F/A-18c Hornet for DCS
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It's really nice to see more products like these coming out. It's a good time to be a virtual pilot.
Flightsims have at a real resurgence in the last few years!
Only if you have money lol. Everything's practically double priced because of how much it's gone up in popularity from COVID
@@ChickentNug I've noticed that all of thrust masters stuff went up significantly but, the high end stuff is where it's been... Maybe it's just TM trying to bite into the market. I'm not sure...
I miss the prices
Supply of the more mainstream hotas gear has run into stock issues with the insane demand and covid limitations, driving up prices. Meanwhile more specialist manufacturers; their stock was always limited so hasn't changed business for them as much.
“Hello DCS my old friend....I’ve come to fly with you again...with my RWR loudly beeping.....flying SEAD with my Hornet radar sweeping....” - The Sound of Switches
Now that's Talent ! :)
That was beautiful 🥲
Yep, this is going on the list of things that I want. Wonderful review!
I wish they were still making this. I just missed out on seemingly their last run
Me too. I don’t understand why they aren’t making more.
Thank you for this, couldn't have come at a better time.
Just bought the take off panel and been looking for info on its ability to mount on third party desk mounts. This clears things up.
No problem 👍
I second this. Was concerned I'd have to buy a 3rd party mount for it but being able to mount t them together saves me a ton of time and money
Wonderful review and now you've got me looking at a new desk setup 😎
In fairness to winwing. The laser designator switch in the hornet are very expensive. Even though a magneticly held switch is easy to make the only company I know off that makes them in this format is honeywell costing about 1000$ per switch. You can make one yourself for less then 20$ of materials but it's manual labor so that would have added to the cost.
It needs to be noted somewhere on this video that you cannot get these anymore.
You raise a good point, It's been amended to the title, can't edit the video itself sadly.
I think I'm going to try binding those 2 slider controls coolant/ mixture flows for manual engine controls in games like IL-2 or WarThunder, *wowwp's included* J/K about World of Warplanes, the flight model in that game is catered toward the adhd child market so manual engine controls would ground 85% of the player base..
I want to buy alot of winwings products, like throttle and stick for F-16 and these control panels. but, I dont like that there will be 2 "jet" buttons and 2 of A/A and A/G when combining throttle panel with there control panels. sure I can rebind one of them but I know its going to bug me xD
5:56 if it real life move it self it should be momentary on-off-on. likke everything else could be on-off-on. it not matter you cold start or ready on runway your buttons are allways center (nothing) you just move switch where you want then center it. same way can you switch to turn knobs
Everything...I mean everything out of stock...great start
5:23 yup thats bout that. bad desing. they should just made 2 bigger panel left and right all buttons and both of them front side is engled to have all landin gear left panel and hook things right panel. then can make center panel unless all those other påanels still MISSING buttons even they allready should be there lol. why i want buy when they not represent real one
Too bad they both are no longer in stock and from what I am told they are retired and no longer making them at Winwing.
These have been out of stock for a long while so I’d anyone here is willing to sell there’s I’m interested in buying one
Very nice, I keep looking at the whole setup, and I’m very tempted. But as I also am hoping to go full VR I’m not sure how useful they will be given the switches are all mixed together. For 2D it’s blooming perfect mind you.
If the special switches had unique caps it'd be better, but it is workable in vr once you're familiar with the panel. Going to 3d print some caps for mine.
I’ve now jumped. Take off panel arrived today, Combat panel arrives tomorrow, as was kept back for custom charges. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Software was a bit of a pain, but after an hr of adjusting settings I finally got it to sync up to my DCS.
Can’t wait for my first flight and test with it tomorrow evening
Damn, I wish I have the money, and time to buy this baby with my DCS.
My combat panel arrived today so it was actually kinda fun going over some of the features with you. And you answered just about every question for I'm sure not just me but you're video should be all anyone needs to decide if they are going to get these at all. I have a feeling my instructions are in the take off panel box. I'll post again if my instructions were in the other box or I just didn't get a set at all. So right now I'm thankful for your thorough coverage on mount positions, also made me feel a bit better for not having wasted more time clicking on the throttle set I wanted right when the timer countdown ended and it let you actually order something only to find the only thing to happen was for the restock date moved out another week or two weeks. I'm pretty sure I won't have much of a problem mounting X56 throttle and having things blocked.
is se the product is end of live, are thy going to release a new one?
WingWing is nice, but way overpriced IMO. I'll stick to Helios and a touchscreen monitor. $150 used, and all controls at my fingertips as well as lights and readouts (and a heck of a lot easier to read MFD's/DDI's than the constantly slightly-out-of-focus in-game ones, c'mon ED, fix the bug for high resolution setups already!)
They need to fix the mfd display export too, the day/night modes result in wildly different images in cockpit vs mfd export.
@@RedKiteRender I'm so used to editing .lua files that iIdidn't even think about it. I spend more time playing DCS admin simulator than flying at times.
Do these go well with X-plane?
Where’s my hotas
I’ve been using mine for a few weeks now, they did a solid job on them. Agreed on your thoughts on the INS knob. The sliders I’m using for my HUD and HMD brightness. One thing no one is talking about though is that the panel brightness knob on the T/O panel is actual 3 axises, so you can program 3 knobs to it, I usually have all of my consoles bound to it.
It always happens that when new equipment is uploaded, the items are sold out.
Should be some new stock coming soon, to time with the video.
@@RedKiteRender the timing is impeccable!!!!🤔
Box 📦 box 📦 box 📦 box 📦
I wish it wasn't so redundant with the Orion. There are some nice additions but many of the switches are repeats. They can always be reprogrammed but I would have liked to see it more complementary.
Curious, I tried the Link here you provided but it comes back with a 504 gateway error has there site changed or are they just down?
They recently released a new HOTAS so i suspect the website was just down. Link appears to work for me right now.
Do have a preference between F16 and F18 throttle? I am going to buy one, but cant decide..
I like the 16 more, but the 18 is more flexible for aircraft.
Is this made in China?
Do you know if the buttons , switches and encoders included in the panels duplicate most buttons on the orion 2 throttle?
Can some of the switches on the panels, or the orion 2 throttle be used as modes to duplicate actions, such as those on the virpil mongoose T-50?
Hello I am looking to buy the winwing throttle and Joystick I also have placed orders for the panels but have not heard anything back yet. How long did it take for you to receive your products after placing order.
Anyone know if the "DCS Sync" function works with aircraft besides the bug?
P.S. Thank you for the consistently outstanding content.
P.P.S. Just got to end of video, the answer is yes... I'll see myself out lol
Did you have a problem finding the web page for the downloades?
So cool. GOD I wish they had an F-16 one...
I just got lucky enough to buy both panels in stock. Next week they are jacking the price up to about 180 bucks from 150 bucks permanently so good timing.
Hi redkite nice video as usual... could you tell me if the throttles can be used without the top panel .. slightly of topic I know but can't find any info anywhere
Looks awesome!
I have a question which so far no one has answered. Can you do an emergency gear release with the gear knob, meaning can you pull, twist and lower the knob for emergency?? I doubt it but I’m still asking. Thanks in advance
No rotation on the lever sadly.
@@RedKiteRender thank you and WOW, the fact that you answered that quickly is amazing. You’ve earned yourself a subscriber. Congratulations
How exactly these panels connected to PC ? Via regular USB port or it requires some additional controller or anything else? Is it able to work stand alone completely independent ?
1 USB per panel, work stand alone
@@RedKiteRender Thanks! Very appreciate quick response!
Thank you for the very informative review. I am still trying to figure out the Winwing software - it is NOT intuitive for me. Just wish there was more in your review on how to use it! Thanks again!!
Hopefully they make F-16 controls
If they do, I will buy them.
Great stuff.
But when it comes to VR, it´s pretty useless in the first place. Allthough muscle memory will kick in sooner or later.
I just hope there will be a solution in the future for panels being compatible with VR. Means you fly in VR and still see what you´re doing with your hands.
Total shipped cost was about $209.00 each.
tin foil on the nub of the switch could help
Really good ! didnt even know these were available - they seem hidden on the site.
Wondering if you fly the A10 and use the COMBAT panel?
Use it just fine with every aircraft i fly!
I guess newer mobos are coming with more USB ports than mine (which has quite a few but very few if any available). I'm sure each of these has it's own USB lead or is there a common "blackbox" or something to plug each of these panels into to reduce the number of connections to the PC itself ?
One usb per panel. I use a powered 10 slot usb expansion hub for my flight sim gear. I'm rapidly running out of free slots! Might need to buy another hub haha.
I’m 15 and got a decent paying job this summer. These panels aren’t terribly expensive, and they look like they will go great with my winwing stick and throttle
Moneys for spending mate! Enjoy it
Work with Arma 3?
Sure, it's a USB game controller, so, as long as you configure it in controls, you can use it.
Quick question for anyone who knows; Can these two control panels fit on a super taurus MOUNT?
They don’t fit on it but they’re meant to be fit right in between the 2 mounts that go on your desk
If only they were made to be modular boxes for each control section, so that you could use them together like the panels are made or to spread them around a home made f18 cockpit for realism in case you'd be using a vr head set, I guess they may be doing this in the future
I hope so! it's odd to mix it with the new front console they're putting together.
Very accurate review RedKite. I bought both panels and took over a week to be shipped in Canada.
Anyone knows how to make the landing gear « in transit » light working in DCS?
Nevermind, solve the issue with excellent and fast customer support
Could you do a guide on how to properly use winwing software
Just curious why the virpil desk mount wasnt ideal, It looked decent enough in the pictures. I have the CM2 throttle from virpil on their mount and I really like the way it mounts to the desk, I definitely want to get the take off and combat panels, but I go back and forth if i should get the super taurus to go with it or keep my virpil.
It was prone to slipping, the boxes are meant to have two bolts holding it on, on each side. On the virpil mount i had to overtighten a singular bolt on each side to get it to stay, and it didn't leave much room for controlling how it faces.
How hard is it to map to dcs
I really wanted these, but after two month of waiting to finally be online the right moment to see one of the short moments of availability, I chose to pre-order a virpil control-panel 2 instead. I will have to wait, but atleast I have an order in place.
Stock issues in general have really sucked of late :(
So do they come with that desk mount to mount them below the front edge of a desk or do I have to buy a separate mount?
Mount is included
got mine today, thanks for the review
I'm just curious: would the DCS options "sync hotas controls" (or something like that) help with the "after flight reset"?
Because this is actually a good point: having to reset all the buttons (rotaries don't matter) might be more of a pain in ass then the functionality these boxes will give you...
Yes, and no. If you sync with hotas on start, then all your physical switches will command the cockpit to match. Which insures your controls match up, but may also place your controls in the wrong position.
I'd certainly enable it, but of course you need to make sure anything important is reset before you start a flight, meaning you've gotta take a quick cockpit switches check (just like real pilots!)
@@RedKiteRender Thanks for clearing that up!
Yep, that is a very important consideration all in all, so it's quite a pain... then again, the functionality such boxes provide are probably really great. Just thinking about gear and flaps handles, that'd be awesome! Let alone dials for radio/comms.
Well, I'm gonna wait for the next Chinese New Year anyway, because then everything will have reduced prizes (at least the last time)
That is some really awesome stuff, but I just went VR “G2” ... great.
I run exclusively VR and I still use these. You won’t believe how useful these are in VR.
Really helpful. Thank you.
How are the units powered? Is there a special plug type or is the power connector the standard usb?
I haven't found much information on this. Thanks again.
Just usb
Thank you for your fast response. That's great. I have ordered a couple. Just a waiting game now.
Excellent review. Can you share the mounting solution/parts used to mount the Combat and Take off panels?
They're included with the panels.
@@RedKiteRender excellent. thank you
Hey does it work well with the f16
Sure! it'l work just fine, obviously, having a different layout it's better at the hornet, but the switches are useful in just about any aircraft for the most part.
@@RedKiteRender pog
@redkite - what was your verdict on the flight control stick in the end? I saw your first impressions review of it and you didn't get on with the detents when trying to make fine adjustements, I just wondered if that was still a problem after more use and adjustments causing you not to feature it in the later review. Perhaps because you wouldn't recommend it?
The Orion joystick base? It's good for fixed wing, but i wouldn't recommend it for a helicopter, as it makes hovering harder.
It's leagues ahead of Thrustmaster, but behind Virpil for example.
@RedKite thx that's really helpful
Great price, will get these later this year.
Wish there was one for the FLIR you know on/off and the laser designator
Hmm? there is a laser and flir, even LST switch on the WW panels?
@@RedKiteRender wait what must have been to tired to notice
If I would use VR headset do you think those panel are still useful or shall I just use a hands in the VR to activate the switches?
Still very useful, but you'll need to adjust and learn by feel where everything is which will take a week of usage.
I'd recommend 3d printing some extra switch caps to make up for the lack of unique switch toppers on some controls, but otherwise it works well.
@@RedKiteRender thanks a lot. Appreciate the feedback . Peace !
I wonder what use would this have when flying in VR…
I was wondering that about the MFD Cougars - I learned to use them on the left side of my stick and now I klick them easily in VR by knowing their Position and Feel of the MFD Casings. No need to have them positioned exactly like in the VR Cockpit to use them, really. As soon as you get used to your real Controls Setup, you can use them for many different Aircraft. This may take away a bit from your VR Experience but it helps you immensly not having to use your Mouse or many different Aircraft Cockpit Layouts.
Hey RedKite, how long did it take to arrive?
Just over a week to the uk if I remember correctly.
I think these are the panels I've been looking for. A shame the take-off panel is out of stock though, as I'd prefer to buy the pair together. I must ask though, how has the throttle held up? I'm tempted by the Super-Taurus but it needs to be nuclear-bunker level robustness to justify the price, when I already have a perfectly functioning Virpil throttle.
If you've already got a Virpil throttle I wouldn't get the Taurus, unless you specifically want to use it with the Hornet.
@@RedKiteRender Thanks for the feedback on the throttle. I bought the Combat-ready panel - When I realised most of the functions of the take-off panel are already on my throttle base & half of something is better than all of nothing. When I eventually get the take-off panel I can re-map the Virpil.
The timing haha, i just stumbled into my house door and saw your video😁
...stumbled?
@@utley Im sorry, sadly english is not my native language😕
@@schweizerluchs7146 not really what i was wondering, but stumbled means you tripped on the way in the door...guess you were excited!
@@utley Yeah its kinda a german saying "Ich kam gerade die Tür hereingestolpert, als.... "
Germans always impress me with their grasp on English, on visits to Germany/Austria i have been so impressed with it! Peace and love from Lancashire
Anyone know when their stock will be back?
Look on the store, they usually mention a restock date.
@@RedKiteRender yeah it says no date
@@PeteV80 wwsimstore.com/STORE says 10th
Great review. Clear and concise. The only issue I have is I prefer flying in VR and thus, such a detailed panel is not very useful. It think this is much more suited to players flying using Track IR5.
I've been flying in VR with these panels for the last few months. While I do still occasionally look through the nose gap to see what I'm reaching for, it's become fairly simple to home myself without looking.
One thing I do recommend is binding the Hornet's flaps to the grey leaver to the left of the gear handle. The labled flaps switch is too small to find reliably while around the boat. I've got it set to HUD declutter instead.
One big thing these panels DO make easier in VR is the Hornet's FLIR and laser switches. Not having to crane my head down to them in the cockpit every time is a godsend. I've also started using the self protection jammer now I can reach the switch for it
@@scarletlightning565 Thanks for the detailed response. Sorry for the delay in replying.
I read somewhere there's a way to "see" the real world while wearing the Oculus Rift S headset by "tapping the headset twice" so it switches the view from VR to the grainy, black and white view of the real world for a few seconds before switching back to VR. I could never get mine to work though but if it's possible, that would make VR flying a lot more convenient.
@@abdulmismail that's called Passthrough. I've never heard of the tapping the headset thing, by default you press the menu button on the right hand controller.
I never use it while flying tho, I just look down my nose under the headset
@@scarletlightning565 Passthrough. That's the name.
I just didn't read the instructions properly or read wrong instructions. So, thanks for highlighting how to activate it. I thought you had to tap the headset!
Does anyone think Mover, C.W. Lemoine, would love this? Him being former Hornet pilot. He is always doing something on DCS.
looks great, but who need somthing?
I got a Hotas Warthog and clearly never use the Buttens around the Trottle.
Also i think its nice to have, but not for this expencive price.
Nice review, doesn't need the piano in the background. :)
silly "some" buttons all around that i not even know how use. i only remember where buttons located and what they do. i not remember what names are LOL.
i wait when they kind made all panels indivitual. then i might buy all of them. after waiting i might build my own when spend decade buind all stuff.
im bored i have 100 hour loading MSFS2020 main menu. menu should load faster than seconds it is just menu. game can load how long as want.
all we know microsoft it load ads and mine bitcoin what eva LOL its impossible menu load so long
FROM CHINA,... SHOULD THEY NOT BE MUCH CHEAPER?
Thrustmaster make their hardware in china too, I don't see your point?
But total overpriced, cant buy ,to expensive
Looks great will have to buy all of your FS equipment 🦅🇺🇸🦅
Looks great will have to buy all of your FS equipment 🦅🇺🇸🦅