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- Hornet style Up Front Controller, MPCD/MFD with monitors and multifunction button frame. For an (almost) complete sim cockpit experience in one neat package!
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Made the framework myself using the winwing online construction guide. It was extra rewarding that way and about €100 cheaper.
Winwing now have an Australian, Canadian and European store aswell so no more problems with taxes and shipping.
The mfd goes for €52 each and the ufc for €182. No extra costs. I just love it.
Since I fly vr i just gotta find a good way to line up my virtual hands with my real ones so things align better.
Any tips are welcome!
(Now got ultraleap motion kit, but that is too limited in alignment).
Great review as always RedKite. Despite the push buttons feeling like they came off an 80s calculator, it’s hard to find fault with the Top Gun MIP. With the extra MFD buttons, and the addition of the Take Off and Combat panels, you can pretty much fly without a mouse. It’s a real game changer. Well done WinWing.
It's so nice not needing a mouse for 99% of your flying. Still need to figure out a solution for the keyboard for radio comms with AI though!
@@RedKiteRender it’s great isn’t it! Yes I’d love to get rid of the keyboard too. I have a small Streamdeck that I use for comms. I think there are some 3rd party apps that allow you to map the F keys to controller buttons, but I haven’t tried them yet. I have plenty of spares on the MFDs so this could be a good solution. Thanks again RK, keep up the great videos mate 👍
@RedKite I use DWVAC (Voice Activated Commands), but I hear Voice Attack works just as well. It's amazing just using a PTT button that you hold down, then say a command, and the comms happen automatically. You can set the phrase the software will recognize and also set the actions to take, e.g. F1, then F2, then F5. Or you can just say the commands, i.e. F1, F2, F5. Makes it completely hands-free for me.
@@richardcoleman1863 I use VA for general commands, but it's probably about time i added generic radio 1 / 2 selection and f1 commands to my profile!
Excuse me being late to the topic, but may I ask wether the Wingwing equipment is compatible with other games than DCS? Me myself enjoy flying sim battles in War thunder as for example.
Looks like a great bit of kit
Man I just love who smoothly spoken you are in your videos... I just watch just to watch..... Also your topics are spot on... touching the setup in VR and comparing lineup and scale was important and clever!
Thank you for your reviewing, it's informative and attractive.
Yay! The review I was waiting for!
I love that you answered the most important question about them. "Yes, you can play Doom on it." 😂😂😂
Holy Molly, that is awesome! If you had showed me this video as a kid, I couldn't have waited to get old haha :D
It's insane how much choice and just how incredible home simming tech and games have become!
Definitely tempting...it's a fabulous piece of kit.
On the left and right side of the panels between the buttons those black bumps are actually buttons as well.
For anyone wondering, the generic name for the rail mounts is called 80/20. (Sometimes just called t-slotted rails of your buying off of McMaster.) There's a bunch of different sites that sell their own variety of them in multiple styles. The stuff isn't necessarily cheap, but I can guarantee it's cheaper than buying pre-cut kits advertized as being specifically for joysticks and the like.
The one thing you'll need if your buying the longer stock rails, however, is a bandsaw. That's the easier method imo. Aluminum is super soft though, so something like a tablesaw or similar should also work just fine without having to buy any special blades, provided you're not frequently cutting aluminum.
Actually 80/20 is a brand name in USA for T-slot aluminum. There are many others in US and Europe. A sliding chop saw is the preferred method of cutting with a aluminum blade (not steel or wood).
@@CanadianTexaninLiguria Yea, in my experience it's brand dilution, much like bandaids. Everyone that I've interacted with in industry just calls it 80/20 regardless of source. With a lot of industrial suppliers, their iteration of it will pop up in a search if you call it that.
I'm late to the party but an angle grinder can also easily cut aluminum.
Looks spectacular!
I own the full kit too. After some fine tuning I got everything working in simapppro. I had to rotate the sceens into portrait mode though cause they were all being displayed sideways. I am hoping simapppro is compatable with dcsbios which i use to make my other f-18 simpit equipment work.
Very well reviewed
Really getting into your channel!
Thanks RedKite, really great review as always. So good in fact, that even though I already have 3 Cougar MFDs and 3 Cubesim DDI's under them, after watching your review I'm now seriously interested in these, whereas before I was going to take a hard pass ;). Love your work mate
I sold all of my Cubesim gear and went with WinWing. No regrets. If you don’t have a permanent setup then the WW SA Pro software handles switching between single and multiple monitors nicely. Cubesim never seemed to do that well.
Thanks Nick! I very nearly bought the Cubesim screens too. But got put off by the long delays in fulfilment and concerns about buyer security.
@@CrashEd1664 thanks for that! Even more convinced to make the switch, as that has been a pain for me as well. I have loads of other WinWing gear (again, thanks mostly to @RedKite and his reviews), so it would play better with the existing peripherals.. So it sounds like the SA Pro software has improved since this review then?
@@nickatgmail yes it’s much improved. There were a lot of updates in short succession shortly after the launch of the MIP. I’ve had no issues - haven’t even had to edit a config file.
@@CrashEd1664 Quick follow up question if I may ;) I think RedKite might have answered this in the review, but I'm not sure; can the UFC text windows show data from modules other than the Hornet? I'm thinking the Harrier would be a no-brainer...
For the gloss finish you could add some matt sticky plastic I suppose, like a screen cover for a mobile. Perhaps that liquid stuff?
Even if you're using VR, entering waypoint and JDAM PP coordinates with this is going to be a breeze
Please explain
This is actually better in VR. If you can line up VR and desktop, it's basically flawless brain fooling implementation. I have just 3 mfd cougars and in VR it's a blast, I can't imagine this thing.
@@Galf506 Interesting. What fingertracking device you use? Or what do you need for it to work well? Tia!
@@surfman88 You don't need finger tracking when you have a physical instrument panel...
@@Galf506 No thats true :). Isnt it hard to get fingers in right place without mixed reality VR glasses?
Excellent review. First time i heard about enableling more that 32 buttons per input on BMS. I always thought that it was fixed to 32 buttons. It´s great to know that for my buttons box that i´m building using Arduino. I will need to do some tests.🤔
Alt launcher which is now built into 4.37 supports 128 buttons per.
I ordered mine earlier this week. Showed up at my door in TX in less than 4 days. HOping to find a comfortable solution with my 2nd hand Next Level Racing F-GT pit. leg room will be tight.
Good job. Although mostly just a summary, it's much more helpful than the GR review :)
So cool! I can hardly wait until affordable home augmented reality goggles (where you see your real hands and physical cockpit) and see the simulated scene outside the cockpit are available. Having affordable cockpit hardware like this sure seems like a step along the way. (And I would love to buy an affordable augmented reality system that is turnkey! I.e. spend more time flying and less time integrating hardware/optimizing my rig.)
good video
Man, I'm developing a nervous twitch while waiting for my MIP. Here's to hoping (as i lift my Vodka martini) they develop a HUD and perhaps some steam gauges. Jeez, how badass would that be? I would probably need some Depends, or cloth diapers, 'cause I wouldn't leave my chair/Hornet.
I want it so badly lol, but then I'll have no where to put my keyboard with how big it is
Yep, that's the kicker. I dont have a good setup for it either. Need to figure out a permanent simpit one day.
very nice video
Very nice piece of hardware indeed, pitty it's 1000$ for most of us… XDD
Sometimes i dread getting these bits of hardware, they can be pretty disruptive and hard work! But certainly it's a privilege, without i wouldn't be able to bring reviews to the channel.
I love how people are perfectly fine with $2000 car service, but can't see themselves paying $1000 for a simulator. In my country we earn monthly just around $1200 and i still doesn't consider it expensive
@@neuzdost1939 Cars are needed to you know.. drive to work and live? Plastic toys for playing a video game are hobby items. If you earn $1200 a month and spend $1000 on this. You have terrible financial sense.
@@smokingspitfire1197 If you can't change your own cars oil and pay someone $2000 to do your job instead, YOU have a terrible financial sense
@@neuzdost1939 On what planet is an oil change $2000. I have them done cheaper on my airplane! Last time i didnt do my cars one it cost me £85
I would love to see something like this adapted for Star Citizen, particularly for ppl that love to fly fighter escorts, they look amazing :)
That's it. Firstborn is toast!!
Thanks Kite!
Do you know if the winwing's Super Libra extended center mount fits with this installation? Can the extended stick still move all the way forward?
I really hope Winwing will make an F-16 UFC and an A-10 throttle grip.
They have an f16 grip and the f16 and A10 share the same grip.
UFC has been announced
Was considering buying the MFD w. screen for my f16 or f14 flying. Would that make sense?
Do you have the full dimensions from left to right total of all the panels? Also, from the desk to the top of the middle panel? There doesn't seem to be any dimensions on their website, which is weird...thanks!
I know the usb c 5 volt on the display is optional but if used what does it do?? don't want to try it and kill my display panel, I just finished setting up the Top Gun kit today.
What did u use to put them together im getting the next level racing rig do u think its pissible.
VR has paid for itself 😊
OMG I Must Have it!!!
I really love the F-18 UFC module but for some reason I'm not able to get the readings on the hardware itself.😢
The winwing trailer of this show a f16 attachment for center console and I don't find it anywhere else. I was curious about it because f16 is my favorite plane
They're still developing it at the moment far as I'm aware.
@redkite - mine is on the way. Im told the DDI's can line up with the UFC like in IRL in DCS. is that the case? thx
They should just make a complete cockpit like dlight deck solutions
Grabbed one and it’s great. However for Australia, due to the way WinWing send it, add another $280 to the price for import and handling fees.
Great video. Just curious how much of a FPS hit you took after installing?
Ordered the Phoenix version, didn't feel like all of the controls without the screens was too bad of a deal for sub $500
Is there a mean to export the F16 rwr on those screen or is it limited to the left/right mfd?
In BMS it's simple enough to do, being part of the mfd export. In DCS however it's possible, but requires a bit more work. You'd have to look it up on the dcs forums. (you can also export the DED)
I don't fly the Hornet, but I would be very interested in an F-16 version. Are they making one?
They teased a filp over f-16 kit for the UFC but details are lacking atm, presumably still in development.
Just watched again and can't figure out what the 'control panels' (with green lights), which are left of the WinWing Orion 2 F-18 throttle, are. Does anyone have any ideas, as to what those panels are, and who they're made by? A good camera view of them is at 4:25. Thanks for any help, you guys!
WinWing 'Combat ready panel' and 'Take off panel' are vertical. The 'Start up panel' is the horizontal one. (only available with the Super Taurus at the moment) Which WW intend on selling individually at some point.
@@RedKiteRender Thanks for the Johnny-on-the-spot reply, RK! Okay, yeah, I was wondering if you were using the Taurus without the throttle. That Start-up panel will be a great addition to help make flying nearly keyboard/mouse free. That's some great news though; cheers to ya for sharing that juicy tidbit.
Man, i can hardly write on my desk anymore with all this gear WW is making.
WinWing is really kicking ass lately!!! This is some seriously cool kit!!!!!! Hows the FPS hit?
60hz 1K it shows
Winwing is China! Communism is real! Enjoy that tasty ice cream, until you realize, you have just been feeding the animal that will kill you!
@@Alexinmyi think he asked if it affects ur fps ingame at least i understood like that but i was wondering too, do u maybe know?
it was not much affects in game, it is different from helios and it can pass green shild. mine just sold and i am using VR now DLSS is really helps the game for me screen 2k 136K 4070TI 64ram i can stick on 72fps quest 3.@@Elczampo
Will the UFC work nicely together with Thrustmaster Cougars? I already got those with handmade display behind it. I'm curious if the UFC responds if you change something with the Cougar MFD's
I too am curious. Same situation here.
So you can use TM or even the mouse with the UFC. What i mean is a lot of what you do with the UFC requires inputs from the MFDs to enable, like laser code or starting co-ordinate entry. So without physical MFDs to go with the UFC, you'll be reaching for the mouse anyway, and once you're already there, it's easier to just use the mouse for the ufc too.
@@RedKiteRender Just to add a little further clarity, the Cougar MFDs would totally work with the WinWing UFC, as they are just buttons that are mapped in DCS. I'm in the same boat and thinking of going with the UFC first, then maybe the WinWing MFDs later.. of course, with the Cougar MFDs being smaller, they won't 'blend' as well with the UFC physically on your desk mount ;)
So to be clear, the 3 mode switch on the MFD only switches between three sets of physical buttons and dials and does not change the display to match? So that means you get 80 extra unlabeled buttons?
Yep it won't switch the monitor display image. This is a limitation of using the DCS export lua. It's more a feature for someone who only has one or two frames only, who suddenly needs another (eg the hornet's 3rd mfd)
Hello, is there a tutorial anywhere about using these with Falcon BMS as you mentioned in the video? Thanks!
A general tutorial on display exports with BMS should have you covered, doesn't need to be specific to WW.
@@RedKiteRender Thanks for the reply. ) I appreciate you taking the time. Great content.
Hello, I have a question, I have 2 monitors and most of the time I watch TH-cam videos while playing DCS. And recently I bought the Topgun MIP and did all the settings for it, but now every time I start the game the monitor on the right side just turns off. Do you have a solution for this?
Does all this work with VR enabled? I only use VR with passthrough view
Is there a actual screen with the product?
Hi, could you explain me how do you connect mfd screens to your pc please ? Hdmi câbles ? So you need 4 hdmi inputs in the pc ? One for the main screen and one for each mfd screens ? Thank you for your answer !
1 usb 3.0 for the display, 1 usb 3.0 or 2.0 for the frame x3 They come with a cable that converts them to usb 3.0 rather than hdmi.
@@RedKiteRender thanks. That s what i did. Frames are ok and lights on but screens are off. Do they need 1 more câble for alimentation ?
@@juju6431 The Displays need power from the USB, they're best plugged into a USB hub with external power.
I just recvd mine.. The units are great - but sim app pro is giving me a warm time.. The section where you configure the MFDs... There are 6 steps on the left side pane. Steps 1 and 2 checks "green".. Step 3 where you need to validate DCS world, user path and options.lua. These are "green" but the 3rd step still shows "red"... If I manually progress to step 4 - where you select the screens.. The MFDs are not present.. Only my triple screen monitors are available. When using the sim app pro under "MFDs.. Both my triple screens and DDIs show an ID number... Which tells me that they work.. Its just I can't get this software to cooperate... Very frustrating...
Cannot afford the full setup - question - is it worth purchasing the UFC/HUD panel alone? You commented how they are integrated well together and I see that. Is one piece just not the same without the entire setup? Would mean a mix of mouse to cockpit button and the physical UFC... not sure it's worth it in long run. Thoughts?
The UFC/HUD is a really nice bit to have on its own, arguably more useful than an MFD if, you use your UFC for a lot of data entry. There's no problems just getting it piecemeal or just one part.
I'm going for a VR build, so the displays would be wasted on me. I would however like the UFC, though I would like something that would work across modules. The TM cougars work well for me in VR.
Thanks for showing your VR hands in comparison to the cockpit, guess they didn't get it perfect which is unfortunate.
How well does this work on star citizen
Really awesome and quality products by all indications. Only problem with this is that VR is impo the way to go for flight sims. In my experience on my own home built cockpit however the lack of viable hand tracking or even better, affordable mixed reality headset, operating UFC and MFD's is just not satisfying or effective. Yes you CAN perhaps manage to some extend with tactile markers pasted on buttons but still takes to long to get to the correct button by touch only. Main switches like landing gear flaps and some other is easy to work blind but not the UFC and MFD's so much...So really hope we get a good mixed reality headset for the consumer soon.
Indeed, I would say it is very hard to use fingers without seeing them actually.
i would of preferred to see a mount or pieces to allow you to connect it all together in one package
Would be a lot weight for a tabletop mount without a wide clamp, but certainly would of been nice to have the option. Just setting up / removing the wires is hassle enough to negate the benefit of a single mount for 'quick' swapping in my opinion.
@@RedKiteRender good point but my ikea desk is already caved in abit from my virpil mounts, but they could of used 2 mounts but have it all still attached together by having them in between the side DDIs and the UFC/display panel, probably could come up with a solution quite quickly, how heavy are they compaired to the TM MFDs
So... this is designed for the F-18... but F-16 simmers just need to "sorta-kinda" use it? Is it actually similar to an F-16 panel? (total noob here)
Also, how does this intergrate with mixed reality VR? I only really want physical panels etc that would be constantly in use in the game. Which are those in the F-16? Thanks!
Buys Panels for a Plane
First try if Doom is playable
does it work in dcs multiplayer?
A lot of us already have (expensive) sim gear. I asked Winwing if they thought about compatibility with Monstertech or Virpil or another brand who also have a center desk mount for the joystick. Their reaction: "we recommend WinWing products". I understand the reaction a little, but their market is the serious simmer. You would expect them to make sure their product also services VKB, thustmaster or Virpil users?
It's not a terribly surprising outlook. The units can mount to generic aluminium tracks, which i think mostertech mounts should be compatible with them (double check the measurements though!) And their hotas use the same mounting points as a TM warthog set. So, whilst things are not compatible with them, they're compatible with others to a degree.
In an ideal world everyone would be openly interconnecting but protectionism / anti-competition can get in the way.
@@RedKiteRender true... but a man can hope. If their center console were to be attached to monstertecht, virpil and other mounts with an adapter, it would boost their sales significantly. I think few of us would replace $1000+ sim gear (with all the effort to make it work exactly as we want) because we also want the Main Instrument Panel. From a product management point of view (yes, I was one), opening the market significantly by creating 2-3 adapters would be the way to go.
How'd you get it to work with the A-10 @2:03?
Just use the hornet profile
@@RedKiteRender thanks!
how'd you get 6 monitors. do you have 2 video cards. most video cards will only render 4 screens max
I've ready that the computer has to support DP Alt mode. Mine does not, so worried that usb monitors won't work for me. Asus ROG Strix B550F
3080 - Main, 2 sides and Index VR
Motherboard onboard - Top monitor
USB - 3x WW MFD displays.
The USB displays do not count towards the limit, as they run their own software display drivers. Receiving both power and signal from the USB.
@@RedKiteRender thanks. What motherboard model ?
@@davidcarltonmoreland2627 Gigabyte Z370p d3
wow
3:02 - Try Windows Power Toys window snapping to make this more bareable.
My thought as well. Would work perfectly here
Thanks for the tip, i shall look it up!
is this working in Microsoft flightsimulator 2020
You mentioned something about some DDI controls are tied to the UFC or the other way around. Can the UFC be used with the standard TM Cougars? Looked to me like you were doing a majority of the UFC functions right on the UFC or am I missing something?
So you can use TM or even the mouse with the UFC, What i mean is a lot of what you do with the UFC requires inputs from the MFDs to enable, like laser code or starting co-ordinate entry. So without physical MFDs to go with the UFC, you'll be reaching for the mouse anyway, and once you're already there, it's easier to just use the mouse for the ufc too.
@@RedKiteRender Perfect. Exactly what I wanted to know. Thanks
Can you upgrade a phoenix to a top gun MIP easily?
Only difference between models is the parts, they're all compatible, so just buy the bits you need individually and you can 'upgrade' to another preset.
Thanks for the info. I was worried if I went for the VR version I wouldn't be able to upgrade later. Though it looked like I could, you never know! Thanks again@@RedKiteRender!
now if i could only use this and my VR headset at the same time
They have a VR version which essentially is everything you see, but no screens. I currently am setting that version up right now. Biggest issue I am running into is the poor decision on Winwing's part to mount it exactly where my joystick mount goes. I am running fox mounts instead of monsterteck which means the aluminum extrusion material is too thin to mount panels. This means I am going to have to design a custom desktop mounting solution that allows for both my foxx mounts and the MIP. I will say the panels themselves are absolutely awesome, but the headache of mounting this defiantly leaves a lot to be desired. I have found that I have mounting issues with almost all of my Winwing products. I mean the units themselves are S tier, but then they only provide you with really crappy ways of mounting them.
First thought "Chinese will copy and make it cheaper". Wait ...
I’m probably going to get just the ufc and one mfd because I already have a thrustmaster set of two and I’ve seen set ups where people just use a 24inch monitor and put their mfd’s on their with three separate windows
Redkite. Do you have any trouble pairing the winwing hotas with the thrust master pedals . I keep loosing my pedals connection.
Well it’s still connected and recognize by my computer, but for some reason, they stop working on DCS? I wonder if the winwing software has something to do with this?
Shouldn't be any software conflict, however it might be a power supply issue. I'd always recommend you have your gear on an externally powered USB hub, USB can be a bit fickle otherwise.
All I wanna know is if this will work with a game like Arma3. Cause it could make life much easier
No reason why it wouldn't, it's a usb game controller, nothing 'special' in that respect. Only concern is if Arma supports more than 32 button inputs per device, which being a relatively modern game i would expect it does, if not, you'll have to use the simapppro software to enable 32button limit work arounds.
How does this work with the new Pure Scripts setting that ED have decided that we all needed?
Is there a way to combine this while center mounting a monstertech desk mount for the stick ?
If the monster tech rails are the correct size, yes, you should be able to. Just check the WinWing's manuals for specs and measure your hardware.
@@RedKiteRender I have since switched to a Virpil set with Virpil brand table mounts. And now I'd have to repeat the same question.
i love mine
Using a side mfd instead of the bottom display for the mirage radar is heresy
Hi! I see you were using all the cockpit in a table. Was it comfortable to have all of that in front of you? Was it blocking your view to the monitor?
Also It seems your monitor it's a 24" or so and it seems you are really far away from it, so I was wondering you you had any problem identifying planes far away or something like that
28" main 17" outriggers. I've not had any issues with visibility, the shelf the montiors sits on is mobile, so i draw them close when playing, push them back when working as a desk. Didn't have any problems with the monitors being blocked either. (in fact normally there will be a microphone on top of the ufc as well!) But of course it'll come down to how your own setup is arranged. If my monitors were not raised with the shelf, yes, i could see the UFC getting in the way a little.
Setup as whole is comfortable aside from the off centre joystick position, which ideally should be centred with the ufc.
Is it possible to use those joystick/bezel with other games? I assume the USB instantiates as an HID, but how can my custom game know what button was pressed?
It'll act like any generic usb game controller input device, Unity for example should have no issue picking up on it.
Very nice gear, the price however is too steep imho. Great review!
F-16 version pls
do they have one for the fighting falcon?
I ordered one. I'll have to msg them to see why they don't have support with their app for the a-10. Reason I went with this set is because of the app and not having to deal with scripts as I'm not familiar. But after hearing what you had to do does worry me a little.
It should work just fine, the SimappPro lua will setup a profile compatible with the A-10c for you. Most people seem to have it working, my setup is a little complex and may of confused their software as i have multiple display adaptors and drivers.
@@RedKiteRender ok I'll probably find out after the holidays not certain on shipment time
If you setup the panels for the hornet using simapp pro, then jump in the a-10, everything will work. The lua file is just generic and outputs the MFD (Left, right, center) and that naming convention is shared across multiple airframes. Worked on the radar page for the F-15 as well with no lua editing.
@@brettbonotto5840 nice nice
@@brettbonotto5840 The Tomcat is an exception having it's own lua export names, and the harrier, you have to press special keybinds to enable display export, but yep! Most modules work with a generic profile.
Oh my lord look at the cables :(
Yeah, not much you can do to avoid it, Short of taping them all together. I'd say perhaps a small usb hub on the setup, giving one cable to your pc, but, it needs a good mains powered one to supply the screens. So it's a pain what ever you do. Making a permanent setup preferable.
Win wing main panel mpl
Wish I could afford these.. :/ Sucks being poor
Cheaper getting the best home cockpit i.e. a vr headset lol
This works (mostly) well in combination. Adding physical buttons in the right place within vr does loads for the immersion.
Is there any known replacement for the contact pads. esp those with texture to refine locating the center buttons in VR use case?
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Hi Redkite. Thank you for this. I have my MPI all set up. And working fine. But one really annoying issue that seems to involve how Win 11 handles attached USB monitors. I set up the orientation (portrait) and placement of the 3 USB DDI screens in the Display Settings in relation to the main screen I’m using (LG 48 Ultragear 4K gaming monitor), apply it, synch in the SinApp Pro dashboard, and activate the DDIs. All good. BUT every time I restart the computer, it changes the display settings of my USB monitors, changing them back to landscape and placing them alongside my main monitor, not underneath it where I arranged it. In short, Win 11 Display Settings will NOT remember the previous display arrangements. Every time I start the computer, I must rearrange this USB monitors again. Extremely annoy8 g and I cannot find a solution on the web. Did you also have this problem? Any idea on how to fix? Thank you.
I've not come across that issue, however i am on Windows 10. It remembered positions just fine, even if you add or remove the display whilst on the desktop.
Sounds like an issue with 11, I'd suggest asking microsoft support.
Thanks Redkite. I suspect as much. Appreciate the reply.
One day when I'm rich...
Man I am glad this stuff exists, but at $825 holy cow. One day for sure, just not today.. Haha
I just want to share my experience with this company. I have spent at least 40 hours disassembling, repairing, replacing parts and putting back the product again after spending months battling with customer service. I received a product that was not working properly in may 2022, and now after 8 months they let me know that it will actually break company policy to replace the faulty product. Any faulty product. So yes, I agree the products they deliver are decent value, and we need/want these kinds of products to support our flight sim hobby, but just be aware that if anything is wrong with the product, you could end up having to spend months waiting for parts sent from China, chat with customer service that can barely speak english, having to create video of what's wrong with the hardware and send to them, and then having to fix everything yourself. I am still waiting for them to send me a new circuit board for the Orion 2 throttle base that I will have to replace myself, and it's been 8 months of back and forth.
That’s a bummer. I ordered the Orion 2 HOTAS and customs lost it. They shipped out a new one without any fuss. I’ve been very happy with it for the last couple years.
My concern is customs...ill probably pay a lot to import this
If you're in the UK that'll be 20% (Vat) plus any 'service' charges that the delivery company decides to inflict on you for importing. Which shouldn't be much. Rules might be different for particularly expensive things though, I'd suggest looking it up before ordering.
#WinWing should make a F16 set of panels, this aircraft is gonna become more popular soon, but not many are interested in the old F/A18
Has anyone heard if WinWing are going to make "dumbed down" versions of the F/A-18-UFC Unit1 and F/A-18-HUD Unit1, without the displays and illumination, for 100% VR use?
All these fancy add on's for flight sim and yet we still have no proper force feedback.. Which BTW is 10000X more important then having MFD's
As an owner of a FFB MS Sidewinder 2, i sadly miss the tech. Even demonstrated it a few times on the channel. There are a couple modern FFB sticks out there but all are very expensive.