I know that whatever happens in the world I can depend on Winter for high quality top tier content. Come hell or high water or being sick, Winter is here
Geriatric winter in 2070 casting from the United Earth Directorate, Clem, at the ripe age of 68, is somehow still the youngest professional player after Reynor’s tragic passing in the eruption of Vesuvius the year prior
@@lvo9197 He temporarily retired to become an AI so that he can command an army of robots to biologically manipulate species of mushrooms so that one of them may become protoss IRL. His next plan is to harass Clem's house.
@@mckendrick7672 These 2 comments were my exact thought process. I think it's to prevent terran building something there and making an impossible tank spot.
@@manhphuc4335 Why should you not be allowed to put mines or turrets there? Lol sorry that makes no sense if you think about it. You can put them directly in the mineral line but not slightly to the side?
Given the better players get better cards (I think?) it might just be a pub stomp even more. Though that might just be me talking outta my ass. Idk, Oliveria has a good af card if it were true.
7:20 I think Solar could have easily won here. But he was way too indecisive about what to attack. So his units ran forth and back a lot instead of doing some dmg. I think he could have easily killed way more SCVs there.
agreed I think what "should" have happened there was clem going down to about 10-15 SCVs but having about 10+ somthing army supply lead and much more cost effective so he clems counterattack would have then decided the game depending on how if he also gets massive damage or not.
Idk what happened with first few attacks with banelings in the first game, but it was so painful to watch. Banes being A-clicked around not actually going anywhere... Honestly felt like i could do something like that with similar results, which is never a good sign for a pro player
12:16 it looks like all this really does is just makes the player at that base have to destroy it if they want more space for anti-air like more spores, most of the space behind the mineral line is full of props that prevent buildings as well
i wish you could emote with units with these clem reaper funnies in the early game LOL. imagine being able to click an emoji that shows "GL" or a smiley face and using that when messing around at the start. then the queens responding with a sad face because they cant catch them. would be very entertaining lol.
with decent combat mech units, mech Terran can become great again since you don't have to build so many medivacs, you ended up with more actual army supply.
Excellent video, as per usual. It always soothes me when I watch your content, it's something with the voice or the vibe, I don't know :) Also quick question, what rank are you yourself in the game ? I'd assume very high to have such game knowledge ? I think you mentioned Grandmaster in the video but I'd like to be sure
God I love Clem lol. The best Zergs know they can’t compete with his inhumane mid-late game so they all try clever stuff to catch him off guard but when he manages to somehow survive, or if he doesn’t and moves on to the next game, it’s like he doubles down on the insanity and the retribution is twice as crazy and he looks invincible. Feels like smart timing pushes that catch him off guard only fuel him lol
On a recent video, Clem saved 5 scv’s from a disruptor by loading them into a flying command center and it was just so fucked up to watch. How anyone has that precision and that amount of apm is beyond me, especially because he needs to be doing a dozen other things at the same time in order to not lose the game
I am quite sure I have never commented any video on TH-cam before. But the joy I feel everyday when I know that winter uploaded a new video just have to be appreciated. Thank you winter ❤
Serious suggestion for Cyclone rework : since there is an Operator in the missile turret. I propose that Cyclone could morph in an out of Turret shape, like Vikings. Doing so takes 2 sec, and totally repair the unit. And on the first sec of it transformations it release a volley of10 smaller missiles doing 100 AoE dmg in the air the same of a Liberator attack zone. ps : i am zerg player ;)
"It doesn't did enough...y'all." Followed by the dead man stare. This is why Winter is the best I suck, most especially at zerg, but I'm pretty certain Solar threw away game one by doing that ling/bane all in instead of macroing to 66 drones and four bases to pump out hydras and upgrades with a fast hive behind and creep across the map. Clem's mineral income was okay with mules and the third base, but he was slow on the gas, those siege tanks were really late. Solar had three minutes of uncontested map control to capitalize on his lead and he wasted it on unupgraded ling/bane against stim marines/medivacs instead of taking a base and teching. Not to mention, he could have saved the queens during the nydus attack and killed like four fewer scv's but got them surrounded being greedy. I think Clem has a much harder time winning that game if Solar uses small ling/bane runbyes to screw up mining at the natural and third instead of throwing his units away attacking up the ramp into the main for a single siege tank. Game two is just Clem being Clem, if he micros banshees and cyclones that well against your roach/ravagers I don't know how you're supposed to beat that. I think Solar beats every single other Terran alive with that push. Game three, again, Clem exercises his dark powers to make Solar think he has to all in into double liberators double bunker and siege tanks instead of just droning up and expanding. Why are you running roach/ravager into a two base terran? As soon as you see he doesn't have a third, just take a fourth and macro, those roaches and ravagers don't do anything as soon as you see he's turtled up.
I think the Banshee can really find a good home with mech support, Like all units that get energy, I think they should always have some default way of expenditure of it. The campaign skill.. bombardment, where it does like a strafe sort of ground attack could be a 75 spell cast, and the Banshee then does a campaign like strike it has this skill unlocked by default to spend its energy. Can't be cast while cloaked. This could additional interest to marine lines and mineral lines. Energy cost, 75 or 90... not sure since hte damage could be changed to indicate teh energy cost... a full health marine, no upgrades is left with 2 hp. With shield upgrade 12 hp, of course damage multiplier and armor change teh spell cast damage... potentially... but maybe that's to high.. 25 damage, in a rectangle box... an animation plays showing the strike location, and then it fires... about the time of a mine burrowing or sieging like a lib, so its a bit of a delay for a powerful attack called bombardment, it extends the range of the banshee because of hte spell by 2.. as it goes off into the distance. This would add possible late game banshee, and give it more versatility. I can't think of any other units that spawn with energy that can't use it... for some funciton.. but if there is, I would htink of some rason much liek this one.. its not a win or lose skill just a spell temprary imobilizes while hte banshee casts the spell, and it is dodgeable... but its impact caught unaware can do great damage... and the +2 range from the reach of hte spell, can give some interesting engagements. Meaning Turrets have 7 range... the spell can do slight damage to the turret just outside of range, until the turret gets high sec auto tracking. Then they both would have 8 range max. As the range of a banshee is 6.. so it does out range marines of 5.. the same as stalkers... but.. dps of banshees is super.
I do wonder how Dark will adapt to the new Queen/hatchery balance. He might be one of the few Zerg's who occasionally actually makes more hatcheries than Queens on purpose
Just curious but I was wondering if Winter tapping his mic to mute is editing magic or an actual feature on his equipment. Pretty sure that's an elgato, but I don't remember mine having something like that. That being said I have a relatively older elgato wave 1 so maybe it was added in later and I don't use an arm stand.
"Keep your enemy close, and your friends also close to the enemy, cuz otherwise they will be hit by a siege tank." - Sun Tzu. Solar has clearly studied the art of war.
@@benismann I think it's more to stop aggression,, rather than a defensive building blocking off the mineral wall, if you had no plate there, vs zerg you drastically reduce the amount of space for zerglings to hit the bunker for example
Does nobody really remember how goddamned OP the cyclone was a couple patches ago. What is this collective amnesia that compels people to put it back all over again.
I wonder if Solar wouldn't have been better off just throwing half of the biles at the SCVs in game 2, it doesn't seem as though they did much of anything against the army.
widOP mines still do way too much splash damage. they should do a flat 30 splash so that zerglings can survive, and banelings can survive if they have +1 armor. Even with the "Nerf" of the targeting laser actually being fucking visible... they are objectively broken units.
Is new patch official for play now in normal mode or still have to do test server? Ive watched several Matches now as well and still never seen the hydra upgrade.
The fact the winter has cracked the code with asking for likes is just wild.... winter: "you see if you hit that button, you are infact holding me hostage to make more content"
Day 91, or whatever day it actually is, the days are blurring i'm working too much. And today I'd love to hear that we're going to get our Brenda T shirts so I can spend my hard earned overtime money on something great. And hopefully it says... "Get off my CREEP!"
@@Conquistador2161 Infestors are the most broken unit in the game. Vipers are the second most broken unit in the game. Corruptors are the best air unit in the game. Lurkers are the best AoE in the game. Cracklings are the fastest and cheapest unit in the game. Every zerg unit can burrow (cloak on demand), detection does not cost supply and is continuous, and there are buildings that can be walked aroound the map as fighting units that do not cost supply. Zerg cannot complain.
I just started playing sc2, does the campaign show you all the control keys? I don't know how to add my CCS together unless I double click them when they close
Watch in [options -hotkeys] you have the option to add buildings or units tona control group (if i remember i think it's like Alt+1 for exemple, instead of Cntrl+1, or maybe Maj+1)
Honestly considering the devs continue to think it's totally okay for terrans to be able to drop zergs forever with no risk and huge potential reward, I think zergs just need to start investing in more spores around the edges of their bases, with dense enough coverage to adequately box out drops. If you rely on mobile/army defense then you have to be absolutely perfect all game long just to break even, and no one can manage that, not even at the highest level. So invariably you end up losing more than it would cost to just build the damn spores.
Spores are economic damage all it's own. You can either cut yourself and die from blood loss when Terran production kicks in or you can just get sliced by Terrans. There's a reason TvZ ladder is so unbalanced and has been for a long time, and ghosts are only part of it.
If anything, its even dumber now because itll be worse in ZvT (which was relatively even) and fine in PvT (which was not). The change makes little sense, people were just desperate for a nerf.
I know that whatever happens in the world I can depend on Winter for high quality top tier content. Come hell or high water or being sick, Winter is here
Bless him. Bless Jimmy.
@@ManDuderGuy Where is Brenda, is she safe? hahah
@@ILikeZerg Brenda is intractable and querulous, we let her swing in the breeze of that approaching warp prism.
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thank god
Getting on TH-cam and seeing new video from Winter added 2 minutes ago. That just made my day. a little. bit. better.
Why did I read that in his voice lol
Lmao every time I see those words, I read it in his voice . Doesn't matter where I see those words 😂@@michaelbob937
Sorry for whatever happened to you guys. Did some kind of disaster happen? Why is there so many sad people?
@@namenight7158US Election
@@namenight7158Us election. The guy whos people say they are gonna do a lot of bad stuff to others won.
I always look forward to the "WE'VE ARRIVED" comment from winter during nidus pushes LOL
Brenda is my favorite canon Starcraft-2 character.
Yess! That early was nuts! I'm only like 6min in so far but yeah lol
Okay this whole game nutso
Geriatric winter in 2070 casting from the United Earth Directorate, Clem, at the ripe age of 68, is somehow still the youngest professional player after Reynor’s tragic passing in the eruption of Vesuvius the year prior
But the real question: will Maxpax be unmasked by then?
@@atdaniell2797 Maxpax will have transferred his conscience to a computer and will actually be an AI by the time.
yes the one world government will totally be like today and everyone will be free to watch starcraft 2 and post memes
Starcraft II Remastered II is played at the time, in 12x12K virtual reality headsets with players suspended in biogel and connected by neuralink.
@@lvo9197 He temporarily retired to become an AI so that he can command an army of robots to biologically manipulate species of mushrooms so that one of them may become protoss IRL. His next plan is to harass Clem's house.
Thanks I really need these 50 minutes of distraction today
Did something happen?😢
@@namenight7158are you living in the koprulu sector? The American election happened.
at least got some Winter to make the day a little bit better.
What happened? Why is there bunch of sad people?😥
The unbuildable plate prevents cannon rush spot
Cannon rush in the fourth base?
@@mckendrick7672 These 2 comments were my exact thought process. I think it's to prevent terran building something there and making an impossible tank spot.
Most likely to prevent widow mine burrows and raven turret. I think you can't burrow and build raven turret there .
@@manhphuc4335 Why should you not be allowed to put mines or turrets there? Lol sorry that makes no sense if you think about it. You can put them directly in the mineral line but not slightly to the side?
@@mckendrick7672 It allows low ground cover fire to the base above it.
Thank You
Om nom nom
7:32, ooh that scv clump behind the minerals could have been a disaster
i thiught the samr but surely theres a reason he put them there.
Thx for waiting while I checked the animation.. It was hilarious.
I also binged watched them... So sorry to keep you waiting 🙏
Link to what he is talking about?
@@Latchback th-cam.com/video/IQaXrIR6Xog/w-d-xo.html
@@Latchback In case TH-cam nukes my previous reply for having a link in it, the video is Starcrafts Season 5 Ep 6 by Carbot Animations.
"I will not be stopped, not by you or ANYONE! I will Rule this sector or see it burn to ashes around me." -for winter's braincells
Jfyi lasers are still used for many guided rockets, that's how you "guide" them. Because
Winter was questioning why cyclones have lasers
I did go watch the liberator carbot video when he paused! worth it!
30:14 th-cam.com/video/IQaXrIR6Xog/w-d-xo.html is the carbot animation he is referring to
oh my :DDDD that is so amazing
Doing the lord's work
Thankkkk
Thank you, I was looking for it at the moment he asked for it.
I would love to see a turnament with the player cards rules hosted and casted by Winter. That would be smth fresh
Given the better players get better cards (I think?) it might just be a pub stomp even more.
Though that might just be me talking outta my ass. Idk, Oliveria has a good af card if it were true.
13:12 That first game: WOW!
12:01 perhaps the plate is to prevent early proxy
sike someone said cannon rush which makes more sense
7:20 I think Solar could have easily won here. But he was way too indecisive about what to attack. So his units ran forth and back a lot instead of doing some dmg. I think he could have easily killed way more SCVs there.
agreed I think what "should" have happened there was clem going down to about 10-15 SCVs but having about 10+ somthing army supply lead and much more cost effective so he clems counterattack would have then decided the game depending on how if he also gets massive damage or not.
Supple depot drop could've come in clutch at 8:32.
Idk what happened with first few attacks with banelings in the first game, but it was so painful to watch. Banes being A-clicked around not actually going anywhere... Honestly felt like i could do something like that with similar results, which is never a good sign for a pro player
Never been this early to a Winter video!
He's back again with the good stuff.
12:16 it looks like all this really does is just makes the player at that base have to destroy it if they want more space for anti-air like more spores, most of the space behind the mineral line is full of props that prevent buildings as well
i wish you could emote with units with these clem reaper funnies in the early game LOL. imagine being able to click an emoji that shows "GL" or a smiley face and using that when messing around at the start. then the queens responding with a sad face because they cant catch them. would be very entertaining lol.
at least give the scouting units the ability to spray tag like scvs lol
30:09 ty for waiting
Welcome to the new Terran patch.
with decent combat mech units, mech Terran can become great again since you don't have to build so many medivacs, you ended up with more actual army supply.
The Queen changes feel like roaches are the only viable opening now.
Excellent video, as per usual. It always soothes me when I watch your content, it's something with the voice or the vibe, I don't know :)
Also quick question, what rank are you yourself in the game ? I'd assume very high to have such game knowledge ? I think you mentioned Grandmaster in the video but I'd like to be sure
Its interstellar war. I thought the koprulu sector was in the milkyway.
Back to the future Cyclones
"It doesn't did enough......ya'll... O.O" LOL
God I love Clem lol. The best Zergs know they can’t compete with his inhumane mid-late game so they all try clever stuff to catch him off guard but when he manages to somehow survive, or if he doesn’t and moves on to the next game, it’s like he doubles down on the insanity and the retribution is twice as crazy and he looks invincible.
Feels like smart timing pushes that catch him off guard only fuel him lol
People are so good now it's crazy
On a recent video, Clem saved 5 scv’s from a disruptor by loading them into a flying command center and it was just so fucked up to watch. How anyone has that precision and that amount of apm is beyond me, especially because he needs to be doing a dozen other things at the same time in order to not lose the game
12:20 perhaps they're there to block geyser? (their)
Jimmy, what are we at??
"If Clem accidentally sends multiple medivacs into his defenses without unloading."
Cllem walks across the map.
I am quite sure I have never commented any video on TH-cam before. But the joy I feel everyday when I know that winter uploaded a new video just have to be appreciated. Thank you winter ❤
I'm waiting for the day when Winter looks over at Jimmy and yells "HEY DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT!"
Byan has the best "killer instinct", he knows exactly when to go for the jugular !
15:00 awesome music whats that?
Serious suggestion for Cyclone rework : since there is an Operator in the missile turret. I propose that Cyclone could morph in an out of Turret shape, like Vikings. Doing so takes 2 sec, and totally repair the unit. And on the first sec of it transformations it release a volley of10 smaller missiles doing 100 AoE dmg in the air the same of a Liberator attack zone.
ps : i am zerg player ;)
The giant cranes are what accidentally dropped an Unbuildable Plate in the Natch.
11:55 - My only guess is protoss cannon rush
"It doesn't did enough...y'all." Followed by the dead man stare. This is why Winter is the best
I suck, most especially at zerg, but I'm pretty certain Solar threw away game one by doing that ling/bane all in instead of macroing to 66 drones and four bases to pump out hydras and upgrades with a fast hive behind and creep across the map. Clem's mineral income was okay with mules and the third base, but he was slow on the gas, those siege tanks were really late. Solar had three minutes of uncontested map control to capitalize on his lead and he wasted it on unupgraded ling/bane against stim marines/medivacs instead of taking a base and teching. Not to mention, he could have saved the queens during the nydus attack and killed like four fewer scv's but got them surrounded being greedy. I think Clem has a much harder time winning that game if Solar uses small ling/bane runbyes to screw up mining at the natural and third instead of throwing his units away attacking up the ramp into the main for a single siege tank.
Game two is just Clem being Clem, if he micros banshees and cyclones that well against your roach/ravagers I don't know how you're supposed to beat that. I think Solar beats every single other Terran alive with that push.
Game three, again, Clem exercises his dark powers to make Solar think he has to all in into double liberators double bunker and siege tanks instead of just droning up and expanding. Why are you running roach/ravager into a two base terran? As soon as you see he doesn't have a third, just take a fourth and macro, those roaches and ravagers don't do anything as soon as you see he's turtled up.
Winter, your hair looks GREAT! Love it. I hope you had a good day so far, and hopefully it just got a little bit better.
My day is EVEN just a little bit better.
I think the Banshee can really find a good home with mech support, Like all units that get energy, I think they should always have some default way of expenditure of it. The campaign skill.. bombardment, where it does like a strafe sort of ground attack could be a 75 spell cast, and the Banshee then does a campaign like strike it has this skill unlocked by default to spend its energy. Can't be cast while cloaked. This could additional interest to marine lines and mineral lines. Energy cost, 75 or 90... not sure since hte damage could be changed to indicate teh energy cost... a full health marine, no upgrades is left with 2 hp. With shield upgrade 12 hp, of course damage multiplier and armor change teh spell cast damage... potentially... but maybe that's to high.. 25 damage, in a rectangle box... an animation plays showing the strike location, and then it fires... about the time of a mine burrowing or sieging like a lib, so its a bit of a delay for a powerful attack called bombardment, it extends the range of the banshee because of hte spell by 2.. as it goes off into the distance. This would add possible late game banshee, and give it more versatility. I can't think of any other units that spawn with energy that can't use it... for some funciton.. but if there is, I would htink of some rason much liek this one.. its not a win or lose skill just a spell temprary imobilizes while hte banshee casts the spell, and it is dodgeable... but its impact caught unaware can do great damage... and the +2 range from the reach of hte spell, can give some interesting engagements. Meaning Turrets have 7 range... the spell can do slight damage to the turret just outside of range, until the turret gets high sec auto tracking. Then they both would have 8 range max. As the range of a banshee is 6.. so it does out range marines of 5.. the same as stalkers... but.. dps of banshees is super.
I love the new map pool, the maps look great
I went to watch the animation, thank you for stopping
I do wonder how Dark will adapt to the new Queen/hatchery balance. He might be one of the few Zerg's who occasionally actually makes more hatcheries than Queens on purpose
Unbuildable Plate to prevent easy cannon rush wall off behind mineral line.
nice lurkers should be renamed to landmutas. no aoe for the zerg seems fair since all aoe units nerfed
Just curious but I was wondering if Winter tapping his mic to mute is editing magic or an actual feature on his equipment. Pretty sure that's an elgato, but I don't remember mine having something like that. That being said I have a relatively older elgato wave 1 so maybe it was added in later and I don't use an arm stand.
"Keep your enemy close, and your friends also close to the enemy, cuz otherwise they will be hit by a siege tank."
- Sun Tzu.
Solar has clearly studied the art of war.
This day couldn't get much worse. So I think Winter has, in fact, made this day a LOT better.
🤣🤡
It will end up getting better, eventually 💖 stay safe out here!
Thanks for doing this, this is the only sport I've ever enjoyed watching lol
I enjoy your vids so much. Sincerely from Sweden
they just nurf zerg so much while calling it a buff... we have no AA but lets make the only one we have more costly...
That Byun x Rex game was intense
Commentary on point
The queen being 3 times the age of the reaper? She was literally birthed from the hatchery just 15 seconds ago
It’s finally winter
What do those HS cards at the start mean? Are those actual in game buffs that players actually get somehow or is it a joke or something?
They're not real buffs, he made them as a fun joke. The details on the cards just reference things the players are known for :)
a joke.
wait. was there anything to solve for terran in the first place?
Hellbats should be able to merge with cyclone turning into a warhound.
lol
I think the unbuildable plate is to stop you placing a bunker/cannon in the mineral line? Might be too strong vs zerglings/zealots early game
Oh yea maybe so you can't jam a rax/gate there?
@@benismann I think it's more to stop aggression,, rather than a defensive building blocking off the mineral wall, if you had no plate there, vs zerg you drastically reduce the amount of space for zerglings to hit the bunker for example
"Adding a few more reapers until he gets them nerfed."
You forgot "again", chief xD
Does nobody really remember how goddamned OP the cyclone was a couple patches ago. What is this collective amnesia that compels people to put it back all over again.
Winter has singlehandedly made queens my favorite unit in SC2
I wonder if Solar wouldn't have been better off just throwing half of the biles at the SCVs in game 2, it doesn't seem as though they did much of anything against the army.
widOP mines still do way too much splash damage. they should do a flat 30 splash so that zerglings can survive, and banelings can survive if they have +1 armor. Even with the "Nerf" of the targeting laser actually being fucking visible... they are objectively broken units.
hey how did you find my Adam Sandler screenplay? I was planning to pitch it to him at the 50th anniversary of Grown-Ups.
How can you know what you don't know? Are there things that cannot be thought about?
"Get off my Creep !"
Lurkers so spiky and crazy
You are the best caster. So good, so entertaining!
Is new patch official for play now in normal mode or still have to do test server? Ive watched several Matches now as well and still never seen the hydra upgrade.
Second game was awesome. What a defense!
Ahh... freshly uploaded cast to go with the morning coffee
Nice musics, i like it
Make 3 broodlings jump out of an Ultra carcasse
The fact the winter has cracked the code with asking for likes is just wild.... winter: "you see if you hit that button, you are infact holding me hostage to make more content"
Love you Winter!! You always make my days so much better!! 🥰🥰
you are funny. i enjoy your videos. it doesn't did enough.
Winter: "This isn't a romantic comedy- THIS AIN'T A JOKE" :Brenda
(0.o)
Help us Truck-kun, you're our only hope.
Im doing my part!
That first game amazing yat Terran can lose so many workers and still recover
Day 91, or whatever day it actually is, the days are blurring i'm working too much. And today I'd love to hear that we're going to get our Brenda T shirts so I can spend my hard earned overtime money on something great. And hopefully it says...
"Get off my CREEP!"
where is Dark?
no spoilers
Omfg. Not long ago, Clem struggled against Solar. But now the Rocky Zerg just got bullied 😶.
Zerg seems a bit underpowered relative to the other races; bringing back the unglitched Brood Lords might help the ZvT endgame.
What does the glitch do exactly ?
"Zerg seems underpowered" No Zerg players not named Serral are just uncreative and lazy.
zerg has no good units compared to other races now. and not even any tier 3 unit
@@Conquistador2161 Infestors are the most broken unit in the game. Vipers are the second most broken unit in the game. Corruptors are the best air unit in the game. Lurkers are the best AoE in the game. Cracklings are the fastest and cheapest unit in the game. Every zerg unit can burrow (cloak on demand), detection does not cost supply and is continuous, and there are buildings that can be walked aroound the map as fighting units that do not cost supply.
Zerg cannot complain.
A buff to youtube comment interaction?! Hell yeah
Reapers need a new upgrade so they actually get made past 1
I just started playing sc2, does the campaign show you all the control keys? I don't know how to add my CCS together unless I double click them when they close
Watch in [options -hotkeys] you have the option to add buildings or units tona control group (if i remember i think it's like Alt+1 for exemple, instead of Cntrl+1, or maybe Maj+1)
@@andrea8300thank you!
it shouldn't have been that hard to check old vods about how to deal with the new/old Cyclones?
Lol 4th wall. Deadpool wants to know if you end up with 16 walls?
Honestly considering the devs continue to think it's totally okay for terrans to be able to drop zergs forever with no risk and huge potential reward, I think zergs just need to start investing in more spores around the edges of their bases, with dense enough coverage to adequately box out drops. If you rely on mobile/army defense then you have to be absolutely perfect all game long just to break even, and no one can manage that, not even at the highest level. So invariably you end up losing more than it would cost to just build the damn spores.
Spores are economic damage all it's own. You can either cut yourself and die from blood loss when Terran production kicks in or you can just get sliced by Terrans. There's a reason TvZ ladder is so unbalanced and has been for a long time, and ghosts are only part of it.
Winter finally got what he wanted, ghosts got nerfed. Will he stop complaining about them? I doubt it👏🏼💯
Definitely still gonna come up during PvT!
If anything, its even dumber now because itll be worse in ZvT (which was relatively even) and fine in PvT (which was not).
The change makes little sense, people were just desperate for a nerf.