Haven’t watched your videos in about 10 years and haven’t played StarCraft since then either but I have to admit I really enjoy watching you as of late Lowko, I find it strangely therapeutic and relaxing, so keep up the good work!
You brought up a good point around 43:06. Based on what I have seen, the best counter to a mothership is counterintuitively still Vipers. Sure, vipers can't abduct the mothership directly, but they can do it to surrounding units. In my mind the solution isn't less vipers, but more. Remove the other powerful units surrounding the mothership, and then snipe it with corrupters. I feel like on some level, Zerg players have been a little bit spoiled in the sense that they could previously hard counter a costly heroic unit, with way less resources invested. And now that this is no longer possible, it seems like Protoss is overpowered. It seems more to me that Zerg players just aren't adjusting properly.
…really does feel like Brood Lords need buffing like crazy. They’re too slow, they only hit ground, they aren’t tanky, and their attacks often have a multi-second pause before launching an attack, which means they’re basically only good against an opposing force that can’t close the distance or run away or fly. That big fight in Game 3 was a huge example: Skillous was fighting with his entire army, while Shin had to leave his Brood Lords behind because they just were too slow to close the distance and join the fight. And with nothing contesting the archons, they just shredded the corruptors. I’m not sure what the solution is. Movement boost for starters, maybe work on making their attack even moderately responsive? But you said it best, Lowko, the best T3 Zerg unit is the Zergling, and that’s not a great place for the race to be.
I like the buffs, it's a tiny bit faster, you do have to touch and go with them or they get sniped, but they zone mines and tanks and body block Archons, Immortal, etc. I loved what both players were doing, I was very impressed with skillous(?), very solid in spite of derping a conclave of HT to a Muta bait, and I luv SHIN, in spite of him sporadically throwing infestors and Vipers away. I think he made too many broods, they are relatively easy to counter in spite of their fearsome reputation, more of a mobile meatshield, then he threw away entire Congreases of Corruptor he needed to defend the broods, against 5 Tempest with 32 Archons underneath them. - spam parasites on that big fat momma ship, it stacks over time, and kills Colossus too, he'll have to die slow or go. Pushing on the ground with lurker/Hydra at the same time might proved a superior deathball.
They removed the bug with their attacks and then THEY REVERTED IT u cant make this shit up they left them with a bug because they are sooo broken they needed that 😂😂 balance counsil is a fucking circus
Additionally, ultras aren't a reliable endgame option. They're not especially bad, but they're easily countered. Zerg is in this weird spot where most of its endgame power is concentrated in the spellcasters. The fighting units kind of suck.
@@SD-jf7nb7 archons, couple carriers, templar, tempest and momma, beat 9 brood, and 25 corruptors and 3 infestors and vypers. The army cost and comp was nearly 3x more on zerg and they still lost the battle.
Every single Loko game there's someone claiming a "zerg unit needs a buff" Didnt you hear loko say "zerg has the highest win rate" What part of that makes you think they need any buffs??? They also have the majority of championships
To help Zerg Late game, they should provide a flat 25% spell damage reduction for Ultralisks and Broodlords (so snipe, storm, widowmines, etc are less effective), and also buff their armour by 2. I don't think its the speed thats the issue, its just the fact that despite being so slow and expensive, they aren't tanky enough to justify.
Bring back Infested Terran, and give Zerglings range attack to hit both ground and air (like the broken Marines). Then we can start talking about balance again at this point.
Your videos just randomly started getting recommended to me in the start of the year havent even been watching gaming but boy am i hooked on your videos
New year resolution for hundreds: Lets watch more Lowko to boost his new year videos. Conspiracy? I don't think so! Like your new videos, keep up the good work! Happy new year!
Lowko just a heads up, I think something's wrong with the video compression lately or something like that. You can see it at 13:44 and around 26:22 for a few seconds, plus there have been similar instances in some other recent casts as well.
Love watching Shin, used to follow his yt back in his ragnarok days for some crazy cheese strats. He's one of those few zergs that thrive on chaos at a pro level, so fun to watch.
Always excited to see new stuff from you. Being a content creator isn't easy, but I hope you know a bunch of us enjoy your videos, and appreciate what you give to all of us in doing so.
Never played SC2 competitive mode. Only play wing of liberty campaign.. After discovering your videos, i learned a lot from you, Lowko. Not just SC2 but also english skills and how to communicate with audience. Keep doing what u doing bro. I love Lowko channel and his cats..
Thanks for these video's! Starcraft is something I loved to watch and play long ago and youtube presented your channel and I'm directly hooked! Want to watch it all :) Oh and it's that Serral video that I saw first.
For me your casts are at the level of watching pro sports which I don't but I watch starcraft :D And I know the players, I root for them and I love your voice, jokes and all the good stuff.
Give zergs back muta, Ling, bane the hit and run style was always fun to watch I swear it was only nerfed because Serral beat starcraft with that comp 😂
Speaking of toss being passive in mid game against Zerg, I think it just highlights the pivotal flaw in PvZ. Both toss and Zerg have units that cripple the other in either the mid or late game, which incentivizes the other to either win early or hold out for late game. Zerg get lurkers and vipers which are nuclear against mid game toss , but sky toss is nuclear against Zerg. So what ends up happening is early game feels balanced and fun, but mid to late game are an arms race that Protoss always wins unless Zerg is able to win the game during the mid game or with a timing attack. It makes the entire matchup feel off when you constantly have to think about their next tech, because there’s little to no hope of fighting the other once they get their next tech.
talking about your videos getting more watches, im all of a sudden getting way more starcraft 2 casts from new content creators coming up so yea LETS GO!!!!
Its cool to look at the army compositions a bit closer here I sat here puzzling for zerg solutions the whole time and would think something like “the storms are bad… maybe more lings? No, the colossi solve that.” And going back and forth i think lowko is right about zerg needing a solution to some of these things (mainly archons as far as this game goes) Hear me out. Microbial shroud buffs to strengthen zerg lategame against the golden armada
Based on what I have seen, the best counter to a mothership is counterintuitively still Vipers. Sure, vipers can't abduct the mothership directly, but they can do it to surrounding units. In my mind the solution isn't less vipers, but more. Remove the other powerful units surrounding the mothership, and then snipe it with corrupters. I feel like on some level, Zerg players have been a little bit spoiled in the sense that they could previously hard counter a costly heroic unit, with way less resources invested. And now that this is no longer possible, it seems like Protoss is overpowered. It seems more to me that Zerg players just aren't adjusting properly.
24:31 It’s because Korea as a region has always been very scrappy. They typically try to bloody or even kill you earlier compared to other regions. So, naturally, all of the best Koreans have also learned to try to claw back after losing out in an early trade. Harstem has talked quite a bit about that. He once gave an anecdote about how he asked a Korean player for macro build-orders for Toss, and the Korean gave him a bunch of 2-base all-ins. He was just expected to expand out of them with the advantage if he failed to kill the opponent right then and there 😅
Hey lowko, first of all, I wish you all the best in the new year 🎉 now my question... Do you have any mirror matches played with the new balance patch? I would appreciate some mirror matches 😂👍🏻
i think zerg can do a little more trickery like for example building 3-4 ultras baiting immortals out than fast switch but how will this end. and as you said, pros adapt quite fast so each trickery has a short half-life...
i am loving these games since the last patch. people saying protoss would be too weak in the early without shield overcharge, that the few buffs on the mama ship wouldnt change much... and now we see them rollin, especially over the zerg... more like flying but whatever... cant wait to see how zerg will adapt to this, i hope some pro finds a way to "reinvent" the way to play this matchup
Zerg can either play for mid game or grab a bible and start praying protoss makes a massive mistake in the late game like a MASSIVE mistake in the late game
Amazing how not being able to abduct the mothership completely changes the dynamic of ZvP. Can zerg even win the matchup if they can't close the game before late game?
They really need to remove Archon splash damage. That would force protoss to actually have to work to protect their sky army. Getting real sick of these wonderful engagements by zerg still lose because of those stupid blue balls.
Saying that last match was a brilliant game is insane. Skilliss made a bunch of mistakes, but because late game zerg just loses to late game toss, he won the game.
The only thing they do with the patches is unbalance. Sometimes one race and other times the others but it is still a game that is not RTS (strategy) and without balancing correctly
19:50 Oldschool zerg here, like SC1. Really, really, really wish they would balance broodlords and ultras to be... let's not even say good, let's say viable in a game where you're not already cleaning up.
why call the colossus coloss eye or coloss hi ?! Always triggers me when i hear it and Uthermal does it to sometimes. It would be like calling stalkers sticks or zerglings zarguns or idk XD FeelsWeirdMan
As much as I agree the Brood Lords need a buff, I do not want to go back to the brood lord infestor meta. Ultras needed that movespeed buff they got back in the ptr.
The infestor was broken, not the brood lord. Infestor rooted entire armies, and Brood lord was simply the only decent way to actually kill things. If ultralisks weren't garbage back then, it would've been the ultralisk infestor meta.
Lowko i have been watching you for many years ive served an entier contract in the military watching you lol i think you need to branch out i havent played startcraft in years mainly for blizzards mismanagement of the IP. You need to really lock in on some other games because i feel like starcraft should be 70% other games maybe doing anime break downs like brago d ace and sye idk but i know theres a market for your yapping
I've played sc2 off and on for years. But in the past couple months I've noticed an enormous influx of grandmasters and masters players somehow playing in casual leagues. (Silver,gold,platinum, and often barcoded names.) i suck at sc2 but have fun usually. but for me it's ruining the fun of the game constantly being matched with people who've played literally 100k+ games and I have zero chance to win against. And when I see their records they are gm or masters league, yet playing in metal leagues. (Im on NA server) Even.more frustrating that I know nothing will ever be done to stop the smurfs, maphackers, and especially the MMR boost hacks, etc. I may be saying goodbye to sc2 soon. Glhf for the rest of you good enough, and patient enough to put up with sc2 in 2025
Haven’t watched your videos in about 10 years and haven’t played StarCraft since then either but I have to admit I really enjoy watching you as of late Lowko, I find it strangely therapeutic and relaxing, so keep up the good work!
i used to sleep to lowko videos, i now actually try and learn from strategies!! but sometimes i hit that afternoon lowko nap :)
I dont even play SC2 and I am still watching it
@@MrBrandomized I actually tried that out yesterday haha. Found an old video, space heater near the feet and reclined and took a short nap.
You brought up a good point around 43:06. Based on what I have seen, the best counter to a mothership is counterintuitively still Vipers. Sure, vipers can't abduct the mothership directly, but they can do it to surrounding units. In my mind the solution isn't less vipers, but more. Remove the other powerful units surrounding the mothership, and then snipe it with corrupters. I feel like on some level, Zerg players have been a little bit spoiled in the sense that they could previously hard counter a costly heroic unit, with way less resources invested. And now that this is no longer possible, it seems like Protoss is overpowered. It seems more to me that Zerg players just aren't adjusting properly.
…really does feel like Brood Lords need buffing like crazy. They’re too slow, they only hit ground, they aren’t tanky, and their attacks often have a multi-second pause before launching an attack, which means they’re basically only good against an opposing force that can’t close the distance or run away or fly. That big fight in Game 3 was a huge example: Skillous was fighting with his entire army, while Shin had to leave his Brood Lords behind because they just were too slow to close the distance and join the fight. And with nothing contesting the archons, they just shredded the corruptors.
I’m not sure what the solution is. Movement boost for starters, maybe work on making their attack even moderately responsive? But you said it best, Lowko, the best T3 Zerg unit is the Zergling, and that’s not a great place for the race to be.
I like the buffs, it's a tiny bit faster, you do have to touch and go with them or they get sniped, but they zone mines and tanks and body block Archons, Immortal, etc.
I loved what both players were doing, I was very impressed with skillous(?), very solid in spite of derping a conclave of HT to a Muta bait, and I luv SHIN, in spite of him sporadically throwing infestors and Vipers away.
I think he made too many broods, they are relatively easy to counter in spite of their fearsome reputation, more of a mobile meatshield, then he threw away entire Congreases of Corruptor he needed to defend the broods, against 5 Tempest with 32 Archons underneath them.
- spam parasites on that big fat momma ship, it stacks over time, and kills Colossus too, he'll have to die slow or go.
Pushing on the ground with lurker/Hydra at the same time might proved a superior deathball.
They removed the bug with their attacks and then THEY REVERTED IT u cant make this shit up they left them with a bug because they are sooo broken they needed that 😂😂 balance counsil is a fucking circus
Additionally, ultras aren't a reliable endgame option. They're not especially bad, but they're easily countered. Zerg is in this weird spot where most of its endgame power is concentrated in the spellcasters. The fighting units kind of suck.
@@SD-jf7nb7 archons, couple carriers, templar, tempest and momma, beat 9 brood, and 25 corruptors and 3 infestors and vypers. The army cost and comp was nearly 3x more on zerg and they still lost the battle.
Every single Loko game there's someone claiming a "zerg unit needs a buff"
Didnt you hear loko say "zerg has the highest win rate"
What part of that makes you think they need any buffs???
They also have the majority of championships
I'm a simple man. I see Lowko, I click.
Amen.
Amen
Amen
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To help Zerg Late game, they should provide a flat 25% spell damage reduction for Ultralisks and Broodlords (so snipe, storm, widowmines, etc are less effective), and also buff their armour by 2. I don't think its the speed thats the issue, its just the fact that despite being so slow and expensive, they aren't tanky enough to justify.
Bring back Infested Terran, and give Zerglings range attack to hit both ground and air (like the broken Marines). Then we can start talking about balance again at this point.
"Some people say I'm Zerg biased, but I don't know what you do..."
*The state of SC2*
Your videos just randomly started getting recommended to me in the start of the year havent even been watching gaming but boy am i hooked on your videos
New year resolution for hundreds: Lets watch more Lowko to boost his new year videos. Conspiracy? I don't think so!
Like your new videos, keep up the good work! Happy new year!
Lowko just a heads up, I think something's wrong with the video compression lately or something like that. You can see it at 13:44 and around 26:22 for a few seconds, plus there have been similar instances in some other recent casts as well.
Love watching Shin, used to follow his yt back in his ragnarok days for some crazy cheese strats. He's one of those few zergs that thrive on chaos at a pro level, so fun to watch.
I click the buttons for you, Lowko. It's the least i can do for the 8 ish minutes a day that I listen to you as I fall asleep.
Always excited to see new stuff from you. Being a content creator isn't easy, but I hope you know a bunch of us enjoy your videos, and appreciate what you give to all of us in doing so.
Im new to Starcraft and I enjoy the way you explain strats/reasoning/playbyplay it really helps me learn.
Never played SC2 competitive mode. Only play wing of liberty campaign.. After discovering your videos, i learned a lot from you, Lowko. Not just SC2 but also english skills and how to communicate with audience. Keep doing what u doing bro. I love Lowko channel and his cats..
Thanks for these video's! Starcraft is something I loved to watch and play long ago and youtube presented your channel and I'm directly hooked! Want to watch it all :) Oh and it's that Serral video that I saw first.
Hi Loucko, i love your work man, it's just incredible the things you say, and what you do makes games a lot funnier.
Thank you Lowko, I really needed this video for tonight ❤
most people here are watching SC2 coz of you Lowko, big claps for you
I really enjoy watching your videos Lowko, your casts are amazing and pretty much always bring me back to Starcraft 2, keep up with the good job!
For me your casts are at the level of watching pro sports which I don't but I watch starcraft :D And I know the players, I root for them and I love your voice, jokes and all the good stuff.
Man iam a sucker every cast xD I also love the long ones or Mirrormatches. Basically everything Lowko
You just popped up again on my feed on 2025. I dont care anymore about SC, but your commentary is very fun to watch.
Lowko channeling his inner winter🤣🤣
i wake up every morning waiting for Lowko to upload a cast.
You're right Lowko; Shin is becoming one of my channel favorites as well!
Keep up the content Loko
Absolutely MASTERFUL unit control by Skillus in that last game. WOW.
World economy so bad that even Jimmy had to get a second job, huh? xD
Ya, that traitor works for Winter, too :D
1:59 every video you upload is a masterpiece
Give zergs back muta, Ling, bane the hit and run style was always fun to watch I swear it was only nerfed because Serral beat starcraft with that comp 😂
Bro really got almost perfect fight and still Protoss comes out on top after lol
Best second monitor content out there!
Speaking of toss being passive in mid game against Zerg, I think it just highlights the pivotal flaw in PvZ. Both toss and Zerg have units that cripple the other in either the mid or late game, which incentivizes the other to either win early or hold out for late game.
Zerg get lurkers and vipers which are nuclear against mid game toss , but sky toss is nuclear against Zerg. So what ends up happening is early game feels balanced and fun, but mid to late game are an arms race that Protoss always wins unless Zerg is able to win the game during the mid game or with a timing attack.
It makes the entire matchup feel off when you constantly have to think about their next tech, because there’s little to no hope of fighting the other once they get their next tech.
Also back from a long SC2 and Lowko hiatus, so glad to be back! Installing SC2 as we speak..
talking about your videos getting more watches, im all of a sudden getting way more starcraft 2 casts from new content creators coming up so yea LETS GO!!!!
Lowko you sounded so pleased with your data, you've ended my age of passivity and I'm liking all your videos now 👍🤙
The Vipers see the Mothership now and are all like "Oh no! She's too big even for MY harpoon!"
really cool vids enjoy seeing high skill gameplay
I was waiting for this video to pop up to sleep. Thank you!
I used broodlords against this terran 2 days ago. Very nice against tanks+fortress. Lurkers cover the ground and brood erode the defense
Its cool to look at the army compositions a bit closer here
I sat here puzzling for zerg solutions the whole time and would think something like “the storms are bad… maybe more lings? No, the colossi solve that.” And going back and forth i think lowko is right about zerg needing a solution to some of these things (mainly archons as far as this game goes)
Hear me out. Microbial shroud buffs to strengthen zerg lategame against the golden armada
Based on what I have seen, the best counter to a mothership is counterintuitively still Vipers. Sure, vipers can't abduct the mothership directly, but they can do it to surrounding units. In my mind the solution isn't less vipers, but more. Remove the other powerful units surrounding the mothership, and then snipe it with corrupters. I feel like on some level, Zerg players have been a little bit spoiled in the sense that they could previously hard counter a costly heroic unit, with way less resources invested. And now that this is no longer possible, it seems like Protoss is overpowered. It seems more to me that Zerg players just aren't adjusting properly.
Thanks for the video, Lowko. Mass Brood Lord? The map will be swimming in Broodlings if too many land. ❤
24:31 It’s because Korea as a region has always been very scrappy. They typically try to bloody or even kill you earlier compared to other regions. So, naturally, all of the best Koreans have also learned to try to claw back after losing out in an early trade.
Harstem has talked quite a bit about that. He once gave an anecdote about how he asked a Korean player for macro build-orders for Toss, and the Korean gave him a bunch of 2-base all-ins.
He was just expected to expand out of them with the advantage if he failed to kill the opponent right then and there 😅
Hey lowko, first of all, I wish you all the best in the new year 🎉 now my question... Do you have any mirror matches played with the new balance patch? I would appreciate some mirror matches 😂👍🏻
"I don't think I've seen broodlords in 2025," he said, less than a week into the new year 😜
Void Ray opener forces the Zerg to guess for midgame. No scouting. It's been getting popular.
Zergs just aren't fun to watch when they are this underpowered.
i think zerg can do a little more trickery like for example building 3-4 ultras baiting immortals out than fast switch but how will this end. and as you said, pros adapt quite fast so each trickery has a short half-life...
I just hope they announce some events soon. Without a competetive scene, times gonna look rough
i am loving these games since the last patch. people saying protoss would be too weak in the early without shield overcharge, that the few buffs on the mama ship wouldnt change much...
and now we see them rollin, especially over the zerg... more like flying but whatever... cant wait to see how zerg will adapt to this, i hope some pro finds a way to "reinvent" the way to play this matchup
Zerg can either play for mid game or grab a bible and start praying protoss makes a massive mistake in the late game like a MASSIVE mistake in the late game
I miss seeing beefy boys in pro play: brood lord, thors, ultras, battlecruisers. Atleast protoss gets to drop the mama ship quite often
I actually started watching SC2 again because of the viral serral video, the title is really catchy
A man whose name is Lowko says hello!
Yeah now that Serral video is at 320k views, bruv. It blowed up!
Super Late Game Zergs must use that supply trick to handle the Protoss otherwise they'll have no chance of winning, I surmise...
Amazing how not being able to abduct the mothership completely changes the dynamic of ZvP. Can zerg even win the matchup if they can't close the game before late game?
42:55 actually Lowko it looks like he lost like 3 full energy vipers for... 2 tempests? I don't think that was a good trade for zerg at all.
They really need to remove Archon splash damage. That would force protoss to actually have to work to protect their sky army. Getting real sick of these wonderful engagements by zerg still lose because of those stupid blue balls.
Is it weird that i watching your videos even when i never played starcraft 2 ?
We need AI back to StarCraft to show us what’s is supposed to be done
WTB more stasis wards, Protoss need to abuse that.
Saying that last match was a brilliant game is insane. Skilliss made a bunch of mistakes, but because late game zerg just loses to late game toss, he won the game.
Zerg so over nerfed right now
WTF is that brutling micro at 48:39 ff.? Bug or feature?
Protoss needs to be more aggressive in late game!
No, they don't need to, they win regardless, and it's easier to just sit back and wait.
The only thing they do with the patches is unbalance. Sometimes one race and other times the others but it is still a game that is not RTS (strategy) and without balancing correctly
Is 4 queens too many for a dropperlord?
Lowko ❌
Loco ✅
19:50 Oldschool zerg here, like SC1. Really, really, really wish they would balance broodlords and ultras to be... let's not even say good, let's say viable in a game where you're not already cleaning up.
Yo mama(ship)'s so naggy that Vipers refuse to abduct her 😂
Bronze league here..: If you plan to go on Achrons, why do you choose High Templar and not Dark Templar since DT'S are cheaper in gas..?
hahaha
"That`s what she said"
archon mvp
why call the colossus coloss eye or coloss hi ?! Always triggers me when i hear it and Uthermal does it to sometimes. It would be like calling stalkers sticks or zerglings zarguns or idk XD FeelsWeirdMan
As much as I agree the Brood Lords need a buff, I do not want to go back to the brood lord infestor meta.
Ultras needed that movespeed buff they got back in the ptr.
The infestor was broken, not the brood lord. Infestor rooted entire armies, and Brood lord was simply the only decent way to actually kill things. If ultralisks weren't garbage back then, it would've been the ultralisk infestor meta.
yo mama need so much supply it can't be abducted by Vipers!
Lowko i have been watching you for many years ive served an entier contract in the military watching you lol i think you need to branch out i havent played startcraft in years mainly for blizzards mismanagement of the IP. You need to really lock in on some other games because i feel like starcraft should be 70% other games maybe doing anime break downs like brago d ace and sye idk but i know theres a market for your yapping
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I've played sc2 off and on for years. But in the past couple months I've noticed an enormous influx of grandmasters and masters players somehow playing in casual leagues. (Silver,gold,platinum, and often barcoded names.)
i suck at sc2 but have fun usually. but for me it's ruining the fun of the game constantly being matched with people who've played literally 100k+ games and I have zero chance to win against. And when I see their records they are gm or masters league, yet playing in metal leagues. (Im on NA server) Even.more frustrating that I know nothing will ever be done to stop the smurfs, maphackers, and especially the MMR boost hacks, etc.
I may be saying goodbye to sc2 soon. Glhf for the rest of you good enough, and patient enough to put up with sc2 in 2025
Don't get overconfident. Currently a lot of us just needs a good night story to sleep properly. Christmas was heavy
Fun PvZ best matchup!!
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thats the kind of long ass drawn out late game zvp no one wants to freaking watch....