Hi Eric, I don't know where you got that picture but it's one of my better ones! But this is a cool video, it's good to have an independent review of the app and the method by someone not affiliated with my channel, so thanks for making it. Do you mind if I reference this video in a future one of mine and put a link to it in my videos description? Let me know! :)
Tamplin absolutely didn't "come clean". He deflected by saying, "Sure, we used backing tracks, just like ," while implying very strongly that he wasn't referring to the lead vocal. He will _not_ admit he was lip syncing the high notes in the concert performance (and even in some of his TH-cam videos), and indeed took down or edited most of the videos that can prove it.
Tamplin admitted in a comment that the "backing" track also included a lead a vocal but insisted he still sang everything live. I guess he realized how dumb that rationalization sounded because he quickly deleted the comment. You see a screenshot of it in Fil's follow-up video.
I enjoyed your take on this issue! One thing I’ve suggested in comments on Fil’s channel is that it would be a good idea for him to walk through his process, from what software he uses to what his methodology is. I think it would alleviate some (only some) of the pushback he gets. I’m also struck that some of the comments you are getting here are pretty much the same comments I got when I did a video on this subject. That tells me there are a lot of copy-and-pasters working these videos. (Which, yes, I did already know-it’s just interesting to see it firsthand.)
@@PapaNicksMusic Maybe you intended this to be a top-level comment rather than a reply to my one. You could repost it if that's the case. ETA I enjoyed your video on this topic too!
Even the cheapest data recording equipment, if it shows the amplitude, phase, and frequency of a waveform to be essentially identical it is the same recording. I'm an electronics professional who understands physics, has designed speakers, worked as a rock band sound-man, and has a little bit of recording studio experience, as well as decades of test equipment repair experience. Any electronics tech who can read a digital oscilloscope display can tell you if 2 signals are identical, or just similar. Even 2 takes of a studio recording are very different as far as the observed waveforms are concerned. A 1,000 Hz tone, (fluctuates 1000 times per second,) is noticeably different from a 1,001 Hz tone though the human ear probably can't hear the difference in the pitch of the tones when played by themselves. Record them for 1 second and lay 1 recording over the other and they will start out apparently identical, but by the end of the second of recording will be completely the opposite of 1 another on the display. But picture the waveforms of a human voice pitch still lying perfectly atop one another halfway through a 3 minute performance, and you have a duplicate of the original performance. The laws of probability of it being a different performance are essentially zero. A human singer acclaimed for their 'perfect pitch' can't even make the waveforms overlay each other for a second, and that just represents a pure frequency. The amplitude of the waveform, (how tall it is on the display, how loud the voice is,) will also fluctuate in an obvious fashion and clearly show that it isn't the same recording. Same with the phase, minute fluctuations in pitch that average out over a fraction of a second. These things are simply impossible for the human voice to perfectly reproduce over a time greater than a fraction of a second, and would take multiple tries to even come close for a fraction of a second. Even inexpensive digitizing equipment or software will tell you for certain if 2 recordings are from the same digital data because they keep showing sections of the signal perfectly aligning in frequency, phase, and amplitude over and over during the several minute course of the comparison. The improbability of that happening goes up by a power of 10 every fraction of a second. It just can't happen in real life.
Fil is comparing studio recordings to live performances over 30 years apart. Then Ken's recordings all line up exactly on the pitch monitor. Shame on Christian Ken for fraud and arrogance. The cover up is worse then the crime.
Yeah I think Ken is a weirdo. He talks about his critics as if they are “cancelling” him. Lol I think he might just be another wealthy white conservative christian who watches Fox News.
I've been under a rock regarding Xien Tam Pin's professed (read: feigned) religiosity, but that actually and unfortunately explains quite a bit about his smugness and outright deceptive mindset. In his mind he cannot be or do anything wrong however blatantly red-handed he's exposed and when confronted with facts in the form of evidence he apparently didn't even consider would exist less surface due to his own clumsiness, he attempts to disregard it and turn the attention to non sequiturs, all the while blaming the attentive for intolerance and what not envy, all because of "reasons".
Your experiment was a success. It confirmed we can trust the Vocal Pitch Monitor to detect differences between takes. I’ve been using a similar plugin after I record vocals to confirm the notes are satisfactorily in tune, and if the notes are too far of tune, I’ll just re-record a section rather than relying on pitch correction or Autotune. As far as Ken is concerned, I won’t be holding my breath waiting for Ken to sing the same line 5 times and have any of the takes line up with each other perfectly. 😊
Severe oversimplification of the situation with Ken... major oversimplification. Not even certain where to begin... this situation has nothing to do with 60's lip-synching TV performances, or Lenny Kravitz lol. This is about Ken holding himself out as a singer, vocal coach and guitar player par excellence. Someone who, while holding up the banner of God and Christianity, exudes a steady stream of arrogance about his abilities. Never hesitating to diminish the abilities of some of the greatest singers of all time, while puffing his own abilities up... this isnt about just one CHRISTIAN concert that he was caught cheating on. This is about an entire career on TH-cam stuffed with lies and deception. ON TOP OF ALL OF IT, Ken has persisted in acting like an arrogant ass toward his naysayers and anyone speaking out against his behavior. ... he's been pretending to play and sing live for years. Then lying in response to folks calling him out, removing comments and the like. Even threatening legal action and manufacturing false legal threats. All while championing Christ. Major issues here.... and remember, if you want to talk about the concert in particular. It wasnt only that the software was used in the analysis. There is a different quality to the vocal sound and what the mic is picking up, when the pre-recorded tracks are in play. So, ya. The software is only piece of the puzzle. Just like when Ken is pretending to sing and play live to video and his proximity to the mic seems to have no effect whatsoever. Impossible. All this to say, the mess with Ken isnt just one or two things. It's an entire career built on lies, and also the audacity to prop those lies up under the banner of God. When you line up the facts and look at the issues honestly, it's some pretty gross behavior. This isn't going away anytime soon. This is going to hurt Ken's career in a big way. Forever. Is it deserved??........ sigh........ probably :/
I understand a lot of people are outraged by the "hypocrisy" of the situation, but that's not what I care to focus on. I will let others be outraged. I just want to know the truth, and I now do.
@@ericwarncke well, again, what you're describing above is not what's happening. It's not about "outrage" or simple "hypocrisy." Nor is it about one app. That was my point in my comment. It's about a man who has been a serious pompous dick about how insanely talented he is for years and years, but has now been caught lying to the public from multiple angles. Not just one. Then, to make matters even worse, he responded with outrage, shock, more lies, manipulation and even legal threats to individuals (and even the legal threats appear to have been faked! Lol). I'm not trying to be a dick. Don't get me wrong. I was just pointing out the fact that the video and even your comment to me are missing the mark on the Ken issue as a whole. That's all :) You made it sound like the situation wasn't a big deal and also that the issue was surrounding one app. Not the case. Ken has created quite a large mess for himself. AND, the f***ing cherry on top, Ken is doing it all with his arm around Jesus. My God, man. Ken is going to make sure he goes down in flames lol. He's got elephant balls, that's for certain :D
Fully agree with you. However, I beleive that, at the start of his career, KT was able to do what he was pretending to sing or play with his guitar. However, again, he probably saw that he could not reach the same level over the years, and used these tricky ways to "make as if". Most likely for money reasons. And for a said-to-be Christian, such a lie leads to a minimum of interrogation 🙄 All the best, knarf from France 🎸 🇨🇵 😊
@@knarf_ Shout live at Cornerstone 1989 shows blatant lip-syncing. Yes he probably sings some of it and plays guitar, but the deception dates back to the 1980s
Thank you for this tutorial on the software at the root of Fil’s videos. Ken tries to confuse the issue. The smoking gun is really his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord, which Fil analyzed and then Ken responded by deleting it from his channel, (which is in itself very telling). Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing. I left respectful comments in Ken’s videos telling him he can still rock and asking him not to double-down and own his lip syncing and he has deleted them. (I have screenshots). His ego will be his undoing.
I enjoyed your take on this issue! One thing I’ve suggested in comments on Fil’s channel is that it would be a good idea for him to walk through his process, from what software he uses to what his methodology is. I think it would alleviate some (only some) of the pushback he gets. I’m also struck that some of the comments you are getting here are pretty much the same comments I got when I did a video on this subject. That tells me there are a lot of copy-and-pasters working these videos. (Which, yes, I did already know-it’s just interesting to see it firsthand.) (And yes, I see the irony in my copying and pasting a comment about copy-and-pasters.)
How great you managed to get a picture of 'grumpy Fil', some might even say 'angry Fil'. In all the years I've been following this man I think the number of times I've seen him frown a little bit can be counted on one hand. A rare find Eric 🤭
Hello. Sir, I come clean. I never mime to anything. I do real vocal always, all the time, end of story. Even my wife, he know info the real vocals. Thank you. Ken Tantrum
I do deny that he was "on top of the world" as you claimed in the first 30 seconds of this video. Perhaps he was known to contemporary Christian rock fans for a while and because the competition in that arena was so sparse, he managed to win a few Dove awards. But imo, he was just as cocky back then and none of it sounds authentic. Take a band like Stryper... they had a great metal guitar sound, the singer could actually play pretty well and the other guy could play very well and the singer was amazing. The songs were constructed well and sounded great and it was loud Christian metal with a guy who could actually sing. OVER 10,000,000 albums sold worldwide. Ken Tamplin.... not so much.
Michael Sweet is Stryper's lead singer and lead/rhythm guitarist. Oz Fox is the "other guy'" who plays lead guitar. For the sake of completeness, Michael's brother, Robert Sweet, plays drums, and Perry Richardson is the newest member on bass, who replaced longtime Stryper bassist Tim Gaines in 2018. Stryper is still releasing new albums and touring, and they do everything 100% live. You can find videos from their latest tour posted on TH-cam. Michael Sweet can't hit the dog whistle notes he used to, but he still has a great voice.
@@Durwood71 I knew the singer and lead guitarist names. But thx for adding them in. Yeah, I was always loving that Dennis DeYoung on steroids sound Michael had going on. Crazy powerful sounding and range? fuggetaboutit. I was not really INTO them so much but I did recognize that they were damn good. Very .. marketable and solid. The whole yellowjacket look they had going on. A fairly low competition rate in that arena. Not many Christian metal bands to compete with. I had a tiny miniature CD of Always There For You. that thing was so tiny but it played! hahah no idea where I got it from. Then there's King's X who isn't metal but also don't shove Jesus down listeners' throats, like Stryper. I think King's X was amazing.
The thing is, yes Phil proved it without question, but you don't need pitchmonitoring software to work it out. All you need to do, is get the audio from the "live" gig, and then the audio of the studio version of Living For My Lord, or any of the tracks from that gig. Pan one hard left, and the other hard right, then sync them up. You will be able to hear the portions when he actually sang live, which was not much. Then when the tracked vocal kicks in, you will just hear what sounds like one vocal, even though you've got two tracks playing at the same time. You'll be able to hear the differences of the live band and the studio version on the left and right side, but the vocal wil sound identical.
A lot of people actually watch these types of videos at work with the sound off and captions on, so visual representations do better for this type of format. However, your idea would only work if the live and studio versions were the exact same tempo and arrangement. Unless the original was recorded to a strict click track, this wouldn't work without hours of meticulously warping of the live version to get it to match up, but then you are the one doing the editing! I agree with you that would be an excellent way to demonstrate this, but under most circumstances your method would be unreliable.
Fil said he prefers to avoid that method because it's too subjective. When you have software that can detect and map pitches to a graph, it removes any subjectivity and gives you hard, objective data.
Dude, what about Ken Tamplin "playing" his guitar without even touching its strings? What about him "playing" a note that's not even on the fretboard? This level of obvious denial is getting scary! I cannot believe so many people are really that brainwashed!
There is so much to unpack here, I might do a followup. However, regarding the fret thing, I haven't seen that video yet, but if you have a 21 fret guitar and you do a full step and a half bend, it will sound like a 24 fret guitar, so I need to look into that.
@@ericwarnckeit was a bend STARTING at the 24th fret. Not going to bend to that with a beginner squire or any other guitar with that number frets. I actually think this would be ok/understood if he wasn’t doubling down on it, gaslighting, and trying to make himself look like a god. In the comments “I grabbed my grandsons guitar and let the spirit move.” So, devine intervention to make that bend. If he just handled it with any class at all there would be no problem
The problem with Aussie (pub rock) bands in the 70s and 80s is they had a hard time replicating their live sound in the studio. Pulling these moves Ken would never have survived on the Aussie scene. As Peter Garret once said in an interview, if you start to think too much of yourself the Aussie fans will soon bring you back down to earth. (paraphrasing, but essentially what he meant) I wonder if the Brits have a similar attitude, which would explain why Fil has issues with them saying it's live, but not being entirely true.
Lip synching happened all the time on TV in the 60s and beyond. There's a big difference between that and lip synching in concert, especially when the audience has paid money to get in. But even when the concert is free, that setting is not one where lip synching is expected like TV is. It's cheating.
Got to say best eg of this is with ABBA they made the girls record over and over again to get there sounds if line all met up would not be the same as we got
@ He did forget. I asked him about it. I searched for your first name along with his and the name of the software and you popped up 😂 What a great video. People really don't understand that it is impossible to do what others are claiming to do live.
Rather than just laying a screenshot over top of another screenshot, you should make a recording of whatever your singing and just run it through the pitch monitoring software several times and see how the software treats repeating digital vocals. That would be a better example of how they will line up
@@ryanmattie974 I am already thinking of a followup, so I'll try that out the next time. Somebody found another edited Ken Tamplin performance today, so there's plenty to talk about. old.reddit.com/r/KenTamplinEXPOSED/comments/1gcki0g/audioslave_show_me_how_to_live/
Also, maybe record your voice using your studio mic and play _that_ through the pitch monitor, rather than rely on the phone's mic (especially when you were singing into the back of the phone 😅). The higher the quality of the recording, the more the differences (or similarities in the case of lip syncing) will stand out. (For the "different version of the same recording" case, you could play one of the takes through decent speakers and record it with the studio mic.)
How are you comparing the vocals in Vocal Pitch Monitor? Just screenshotting and overlaying them? Would like to try this for myself but that's the part I'm getting hung up on.
Talking about denial, KT did an interview for some podcast or something (it is on YT, but I am not giving him or them any views or traffic, and I watched it through a VPN, not logged in, and through an API, so no ads, so there!), claiming that this helped him, more people are now checking him out and it is bringing in customers... If you repeat a lie often enough, including to yourself, you start believing it... We can only hope OTHERS are not starting to believe it.
Regardless of the Vocal Pitch Monitor, no human can replicate any sound coming from their vocal chords as represented on a pitch monitoring graph for one simple reason - human vocal chords don't work that way!
This video is an excellent demonstration of why music sucks now a days. Im not picking on you here and it is not my intention to do so. However, you are trying to sing a song, but you don't have a melody. If there is no melody, there is no song. Your melody is so bad, even the pitch software can't find the notes in the melody. . You sing the phrase "I been a lot of places before. In that somewhat large musical phrase there are ten syllables. You only have melody on four out of the ten syllables. "I been", and "for or". What is all the mess in the middle? There is no melody on the largest part of the musical phrase, "a lot of places". When you sing there so much slurring and slop going on with all the syllables in the words, whatever melody you think you are making is not clear enough to establish a motive, much less a musical phrase. If there is no motive, there is no phrase. If there is no musical phrase there is no melody. If there is no melody there is no song. So get on a piano or guitar and pick out what notes go into the melody you are trying to create. Maybe you can play the melody from the guitar or piano into the pitch software and then sing the same melody and compare the two. Then you should have something legit. Good or bad, it will at least be legit musically speaking. If you can compare your musical instrument melody with your vocal melody using the pitch software, that would be an amazingly cool thing to do. You might be able to restore musical integrity to all of mankind. Do you see what I am trying to get at here? Thank you, good luck and God bless.
I've recorded since the 80s. I've been told the reason you double vocals is to fill out the voice (as with guitars or any instrument). The reason is, you can never sing exactly the same, ever. So, I don't know why anyone would argue otherwise. The people that do, obviously know nothing about music, except that they listen to it.
After watching a bunch of Tamplin’s videos, I think the most egregious thing, as far as his business goes, is how he really is a very bad teacher which is what he is getting paid to do. But overall the worst thing is how awful a person he is! A total bully and narc. He uses his money to bully anyone who even mentions his name by using threats to sue. One guy bought his course like 13 years ago and simply asked in title of his video if it is possible to be the best singer ever as Tamplin touts and Ken put a copyright strike on his channel and threatened to sue for also even saying his name. I wonder what is happening now with everyone using his name?!?
@@vickicali I can confirm I have not heard anything from Ken. I saw that video from the other vocal coach and it sounds bad, however, I don't claim to have all the details about that situation. It's not the most interesting detail about this story to me, but I know it has a lot of people outraged.
@@ericwarncke I am surprised knowing what a bully he is that he hasn’t gone after some to just to try and get them scared. His atty may be advising against it.
@@vickicaliit's impossible to know. Maybe my channel is so small he hasn't seen it or maybe he likes that I'm at least being fair and not just jumping on the bandwagon. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe Ken is just enjoying the new influx of visitors to his channel and realizes all publicity is good in our weird ass society. Hard to say!
Despite not being accurate below a cent, it should still be equal in equal out, and yes it is a fingerprint like issue. Notice how good your five samples sounded together. As you stacked them, some of your vibrato was phasing, but by the time you got five takes it was quite smooth. There is a tremendous amount of envy at the root of much “fandom”. It strikes us in very bad taste when someone is deceptive about their skills, skills which we wish we had. There is sourness to the depth and ferocity of these attacks in Ken that is independent of what punishment should fit his crime. I don’t know what Fil’s motive beyond a bunsiness model has him stuck making pitch monitor comment videos. I would prefer to hear him making more of his own music and sinking or swimming with that. Anyone can compare two radar gun readings, hopefully we use the power of this software to learn valuable and encouraging things about the human voice. As you just showed us, you are not less accurate as a singer than Ken Tamplin.
I think Fil would actually welcome an independent 3rd party demonstrating the non-repeatabilty of the human voice. The more examples of this we see, with takes recorded seconds apart (let alone 30 years apart!) the stronger Fil's case becomes.
It kind of is a big deal. He's the guy who's been teaching people how to sing and making videos about famous singers and criticising their technique. Just because lots of other people do it, it's not a great reason to do it, especially when his catch phrase is "The proof is in the singing"! And especially when he denyed it and called people grifters or jealous or whatever for spreading misinformation. Not to mentiondeleting all and any comment on his channel that pointed it out.
@@PeterCamberwick Yep, the projection was beyond strong in that one. Everything KT accused other coaches of, he was DOING. He criticized great singers and the quibbles he had were things HE WAS DOING. He is one big liar hypocrite. "relaxed vocal technique" BS. His throat looks as if it's about to explode when he's singing high range rock stuff. "no big deal" It's a HUGE, HUGE deal. It's known as FRAUD which is literally a crime in the U.S.
Yeh he really fucked up !! Open boarders,huge inflation,multi trillions of debt, free sex change for illegal migrants even the ones in jail !!!! Oh Hang on that’s the current government 😂
@@Selrisitai Yea but we had the biggest stock market crash in history and over 10% unemployment and thousands of businesses that went bankrupt thanks to his incompetence, food shortages, and a million people dead of course thanks to his poor leadership! I'll take Ken for president. At least Ken didn't have daddy give him 400 million dollars!
@@ricomajestic Drivel and ignorant tripe. It was the Dim&Craps that shut down the economy. On the plus side, you get to spend the next 4 years squirming.
It's one thing to use an isolated vocal or a mostly isolated vocal. Doing that with a vocal in a mix is not reliable. "Isolated vocal" does not mean a vocal from an AI based stem splitter. Those tracks have a lot of missing data and are not reliable for pitch either. You may get results and then again you may not.
@@ericwarncke In some cases. The more complex the mix is the harder it is. Those stem splitters always have a stem called "other" that has everything that the AI couldn't separate. It usually contains a mangled mess of things including parts of the vocals. On top of that those tools use FFT to do the analysis. Splitting the spectrum up with FFT can cause a lot of phase issues across the frequency spectrum which are most noticeable in the high frequencies. So not only is there loss in the Ai figuring out what is what but phase issues, all depending on how complex the mix is that it's trying to extract the instrument or vocal from. If you have an instrument that is playing the same note as the vocal in unison it may not be able to separate the two.
I think you proved that it's more the timing rather than the pitch that differs. A point that Fil kinda of glosses over, where he's more concerned about the pitch be autotuned or corrected. In some of his examples one can conecde that the pitch may vary a little from a cell phone recording to a studio live stream to the original recording... if someone was lipsyncing what is NOT going to change is the timing. In the case of KT that Fil did the timings matched perfectly... i.e. Ken was lip syncing no doubt. What you've shown is exactly what a "chorus" effect is... it's the variation in timing that makes us hear multiple voices. If you take the same vocal track, doubled it, and pitch corrected one track, and then played them back together... it's simply going to sound like one voice at a different combined pitch. Fil is showing two different things... those that are lip syncing and those that are pitch correcting - be it live with Autotune hardware or during mixing with a pitch correction plugin like Melodyne. Of course I'm sure there are some performers out there that are lip syncing to a track that they pitch corrected in the sudio. I'm also sure there are probably artists out there that are completey unaware that their label and sound engineers / mixers have pitch corrected their vocal(s) on an album. IMO pitch correction is a form of affirmative action, where we've lowered the talent level bar to where anyone can sing on an album... unless maybe if you sound like William Hung sing "She Bangs." :)
I don't think he proved what you said he did in your first line at all. His pitch was clearly all over the place, especially in the last bit of vibrato. What the pitch software is showing is that human vocal cords just can't reproduce exactly the same sequence of precise pitches from one take to the next, which is why none of the takes line up in the vertical axis, even if you shift the horizontal axis so the note starts at exactly the same moment for each of them. Conversely, if you're lip syncing to a recording, the waveform from the lip synced "performance" will line up perfectly in both axes with the original source material used as the backing track. This is the very crux of Fil's lip syncing analysis videos. (I'm not going to get into pitch correction/auto tune here, because it's irrelevant to the lip syncing analysis.)
I think you've missed the point of what Eric was doing. I don't believe the KT case has anything at all to do with pitch correction and Fil didn't suggest such a thing. But what Eric was trying to show was how difficult it is for a singer to exactly replicate a vocal performance. Eric had five attempt and all were difficult. And he only sang two bars each time, and making a three or four minute performance is even more impossible.
Wings of Pegasus may not be in on it with him, but he's done nothing but get this guy WAY more views/clicks and attention than he had before and now he's is using to his Advantage and thats not nonsense. He's doing it. That guy Ken may not be a good singer but he is one helluva salesman, People walking through the desert are thirsty and when they find a mirage there so thirsty they'll drink the sand, but this guy Ken understands they don't drink the sand because they are thirsty, they drink the sand because they don't know the difference.... And thanks to Wings of Pegasus he now has even more people checking him out to see what all the Drama is about, and he is telling his side of the story and quite a few are listening to him and are drinking the sand. So in closing i think Wings of Pegasus has done him more good than harm. And on Another note, Wings of Pegasus video Thats Metal is so cheesy and Grandiose, i find it ironic he calls other people out for trying to sound better than what they do when he would probably would benefit from it as well and actually needs it. He's not that good.
I'm glad everybody has a voice and gets to tell their side of the story. I've listened to both of their takes on the matter and I have drawn my own conclusions after testing everything myself. I just want to focus on the scientific side of it and leave the judgment for others to decide. Ken is a good salesman though.
Thanks! For reference, That's Metal (to my ears) is an 80's parody song, hence the toplessness and over the top nature of the video. It's the only song like that on my album, it was just a bit of fun. You'll find my other compositions a little less cheesy and Grandiose, but I know everyone has different taste so it's all ok! :)
The best example of cheesy vids are Ken's vids. All of them. Horrendous. And he wouldn't pose as a lawyer threatening to sue if he was enjoying all the attention. Try again.
Hi Eric, I don't know where you got that picture but it's one of my better ones! But this is a cool video, it's good to have an independent review of the app and the method by someone not affiliated with my channel, so thanks for making it. Do you mind if I reference this video in a future one of mine and put a link to it in my videos description? Let me know! :)
@wingsofpegasus I give you permission to use the video in any way you like. Thanks Fil, keep up the great work!
Great, thanks!
@@ericwarncke Do you have an email address I can contact you at? It's in relation to a story a national newspaper wants to run.
@wingsofpegasus ericwarncke @ gmail dot com - exciting! (TH-cam hates links and emails in comments so I've had to break it up lol)
@wingsofpegasus it's my first and last name at Gmail. I'm not sure if my last reply with the email in it was removed by TH-cam or not.
Tamplin absolutely didn't "come clean". He deflected by saying, "Sure, we used backing tracks, just like ," while implying very strongly that he wasn't referring to the lead vocal. He will _not_ admit he was lip syncing the high notes in the concert performance (and even in some of his TH-cam videos), and indeed took down or edited most of the videos that can prove it.
Tamplin admitted in a comment that the "backing" track also included a lead a vocal but insisted he still sang everything live. I guess he realized how dumb that rationalization sounded because he quickly deleted the comment. You see a screenshot of it in Fil's follow-up video.
@@Durwood71 Oh, I missed that. It's interesting that he's deleting his own comments now in addition to other people's 😂
I enjoyed your take on this issue! One thing I’ve suggested in comments on Fil’s channel is that it would be a good idea for him to walk through his process, from what software he uses to what his methodology is. I think it would alleviate some (only some) of the pushback he gets.
I’m also struck that some of the comments you are getting here are pretty much the same comments I got when I did a video on this subject. That tells me there are a lot of copy-and-pasters working these videos. (Which, yes, I did already know-it’s just interesting to see it firsthand.)
@@PapaNicksMusic Maybe you intended this to be a top-level comment rather than a reply to my one. You could repost it if that's the case.
ETA I enjoyed your video on this topic too!
@@PeteC62 Yep-I commented lazily!
Even the cheapest data recording equipment, if it shows the amplitude, phase, and frequency of a waveform to be essentially identical it is the same recording. I'm an electronics professional who understands physics, has designed speakers, worked as a rock band sound-man, and has a little bit of recording studio experience, as well as decades of test equipment repair experience. Any electronics tech who can read a digital oscilloscope display can tell you if 2 signals are identical, or just similar. Even 2 takes of a studio recording are very different as far as the observed waveforms are concerned. A 1,000 Hz tone, (fluctuates 1000 times per second,) is noticeably different from a 1,001 Hz tone though the human ear probably can't hear the difference in the pitch of the tones when played by themselves. Record them for 1 second and lay 1 recording over the other and they will start out apparently identical, but by the end of the second of recording will be completely the opposite of 1 another on the display. But picture the waveforms of a human voice pitch still lying perfectly atop one another halfway through a 3 minute performance, and you have a duplicate of the original performance. The laws of probability of it being a different performance are essentially zero. A human singer acclaimed for their 'perfect pitch' can't even make the waveforms overlay each other for a second, and that just represents a pure frequency. The amplitude of the waveform, (how tall it is on the display, how loud the voice is,) will also fluctuate in an obvious fashion and clearly show that it isn't the same recording. Same with the phase, minute fluctuations in pitch that average out over a fraction of a second. These things are simply impossible for the human voice to perfectly reproduce over a time greater than a fraction of a second, and would take multiple tries to even come close for a fraction of a second. Even inexpensive digitizing equipment or software will tell you for certain if 2 recordings are from the same digital data because they keep showing sections of the signal perfectly aligning in frequency, phase, and amplitude over and over during the several minute course of the comparison. The improbability of that happening goes up by a power of 10 every fraction of a second. It just can't happen in real life.
Fil is comparing studio recordings to live performances over 30 years apart. Then Ken's recordings all line up exactly on the pitch monitor. Shame on Christian Ken for fraud and arrogance. The cover up is worse then the crime.
Yeah I think Ken is a weirdo. He talks about his critics as if they are “cancelling” him. Lol I think he might just be another wealthy white conservative christian who watches Fox News.
I've been under a rock regarding Xien Tam Pin's professed (read: feigned) religiosity, but that actually and unfortunately explains quite a bit about his smugness and outright deceptive mindset. In his mind he cannot be or do anything wrong however blatantly red-handed he's exposed and when confronted with facts in the form of evidence he apparently didn't even consider would exist less surface due to his own clumsiness, he attempts to disregard it and turn the attention to non sequiturs, all the while blaming the attentive for intolerance and what not envy, all because of "reasons".
Your experiment was a success. It confirmed we can trust the Vocal Pitch Monitor to detect differences between takes. I’ve been using a similar plugin after I record vocals to confirm the notes are satisfactorily in tune, and if the notes are too far of tune, I’ll just re-record a section rather than relying on pitch correction or Autotune. As far as Ken is concerned, I won’t be holding my breath waiting for Ken to sing the same line 5 times and have any of the takes line up with each other perfectly. 😊
Severe oversimplification of the situation with Ken... major oversimplification. Not even certain where to begin... this situation has nothing to do with 60's lip-synching TV performances, or Lenny Kravitz lol. This is about Ken holding himself out as a singer, vocal coach and guitar player par excellence. Someone who, while holding up the banner of God and Christianity, exudes a steady stream of arrogance about his abilities. Never hesitating to diminish the abilities of some of the greatest singers of all time, while puffing his own abilities up... this isnt about just one CHRISTIAN concert that he was caught cheating on. This is about an entire career on TH-cam stuffed with lies and deception. ON TOP OF ALL OF IT, Ken has persisted in acting like an arrogant ass toward his naysayers and anyone speaking out against his behavior.
... he's been pretending to play and sing live for years. Then lying in response to folks calling him out, removing comments and the like. Even threatening legal action and manufacturing false legal threats. All while championing Christ. Major issues here.... and remember, if you want to talk about the concert in particular. It wasnt only that the software was used in the analysis. There is a different quality to the vocal sound and what the mic is picking up, when the pre-recorded tracks are in play. So, ya. The software is only piece of the puzzle. Just like when Ken is pretending to sing and play live to video and his proximity to the mic seems to have no effect whatsoever. Impossible. All this to say, the mess with Ken isnt just one or two things. It's an entire career built on lies, and also the audacity to prop those lies up under the banner of God. When you line up the facts and look at the issues honestly, it's some pretty gross behavior. This isn't going away anytime soon. This is going to hurt Ken's career in a big way. Forever. Is it deserved??........ sigh........ probably :/
I understand a lot of people are outraged by the "hypocrisy" of the situation, but that's not what I care to focus on. I will let others be outraged. I just want to know the truth, and I now do.
@@ericwarncke well, again, what you're describing above is not what's happening. It's not about "outrage" or simple "hypocrisy." Nor is it about one app. That was my point in my comment. It's about a man who has been a serious pompous dick about how insanely talented he is for years and years, but has now been caught lying to the public from multiple angles. Not just one. Then, to make matters even worse, he responded with outrage, shock, more lies, manipulation and even legal threats to individuals (and even the legal threats appear to have been faked! Lol).
I'm not trying to be a dick. Don't get me wrong. I was just pointing out the fact that the video and even your comment to me are missing the mark on the Ken issue as a whole. That's all :) You made it sound like the situation wasn't a big deal and also that the issue was surrounding one app. Not the case. Ken has created quite a large mess for himself. AND, the f***ing cherry on top, Ken is doing it all with his arm around Jesus. My God, man. Ken is going to make sure he goes down in flames lol. He's got elephant balls, that's for certain :D
Fully agree with you. However, I beleive that, at the start of his career, KT was able to do what he was pretending to sing or play with his guitar. However, again, he probably saw that he could not reach the same level over the years, and used these tricky ways to "make as if". Most likely for money reasons. And for a said-to-be Christian, such a lie leads to a minimum of interrogation 🙄
All the best,
knarf from France 🎸 🇨🇵 😊
@@knarf_ Shout live at Cornerstone 1989 shows blatant lip-syncing. Yes he probably sings some of it and plays guitar, but the deception dates back to the 1980s
though shalt not lie
Thank you for this tutorial on the software at the root of Fil’s videos. Ken tries to confuse the issue. The smoking gun is really his 2020 live stream of Livin’ for my Lord, which Fil analyzed and then Ken responded by deleting it from his channel, (which is in itself very telling). Using backing tracks and lip syncing are two different things. When bands use backing tracks (which is quite common as Ken correctly states) they are complementing their live sound (typically with backing vocals and/or keyboards). When singers lip sync, the pre recorded lead vocal is there and the singer is pretending to be hitting those notes. The criticism that Ken is facing is not about backing tracks, but lip syncing.
I left respectful comments in Ken’s videos telling him he can still rock and asking him not to double-down and own his lip syncing and he has deleted them. (I have screenshots).
His ego will be his undoing.
I enjoyed your take on this issue! One thing I’ve suggested in comments on Fil’s channel is that it would be a good idea for him to walk through his process, from what software he uses to what his methodology is. I think it would alleviate some (only some) of the pushback he gets.
I’m also struck that some of the comments you are getting here are pretty much the same comments I got when I did a video on this subject. That tells me there are a lot of copy-and-pasters working these videos. (Which, yes, I did already know-it’s just interesting to see it firsthand.)
(And yes, I see the irony in my copying and pasting a comment about copy-and-pasters.)
He did exactly that today. The video is called "DOUBTERS watch this video"
How great you managed to get a picture of 'grumpy Fil', some might even say 'angry Fil'. In all the years I've been following this man I think the number of times I've seen him frown a little bit can be counted on one hand. A rare find Eric 🤭
Hello.
Sir, I come clean.
I never mime to anything.
I do real vocal always, all the time, end of story.
Even my wife, he know info the real vocals.
Thank you.
Ken Tantrum
Thank you Ken.
🤣🤣LOOOL
I do deny that he was "on top of the world" as you claimed in the first 30 seconds of this video. Perhaps he was known to contemporary Christian rock fans for a while and because the competition in that arena was so sparse, he managed to win a few Dove awards. But imo, he was just as cocky back then and none of it sounds authentic. Take a band like Stryper... they had a great metal guitar sound, the singer could actually play pretty well and the other guy could play very well and the singer was amazing. The songs were constructed well and sounded great and it was loud Christian metal with a guy who could actually sing. OVER 10,000,000 albums sold worldwide. Ken Tamplin.... not so much.
Good point, I just meant that he was at the top of HIS game during that decade. Thanks!
Michael Sweet is Stryper's lead singer and lead/rhythm guitarist. Oz Fox is the "other guy'" who plays lead guitar. For the sake of completeness, Michael's brother, Robert Sweet, plays drums, and Perry Richardson is the newest member on bass, who replaced longtime Stryper bassist Tim Gaines in 2018.
Stryper is still releasing new albums and touring, and they do everything 100% live. You can find videos from their latest tour posted on TH-cam. Michael Sweet can't hit the dog whistle notes he used to, but he still has a great voice.
@@Durwood71 I knew the singer and lead guitarist names. But thx for adding them in. Yeah, I was always loving that Dennis DeYoung on steroids sound Michael had going on. Crazy powerful sounding and range? fuggetaboutit. I was not really INTO them so much but I did recognize that they were damn good. Very .. marketable and solid. The whole yellowjacket look they had going on. A fairly low competition rate in that arena. Not many Christian metal bands to compete with. I had a tiny miniature CD of Always There For You. that thing was so tiny but it played! hahah no idea where I got it from. Then there's King's X who isn't metal but also don't shove Jesus down listeners' throats, like Stryper. I think King's X was amazing.
@@ericwarncke top of his SINGING game only. His peak in defrauding would be a bit later! hahahhahaha
Hahaha that was pretty good
No controversy he was 100% lip syncing .If you watch live footage of him from the 80s he was doing it then too btw
What an excellent hands on demo. Well done Eric. I must download that app. Cheers
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
The thing is, yes Phil proved it without question, but you don't need pitchmonitoring software to work it out. All you need to do, is get the audio from the "live" gig, and then the audio of the studio version of Living For My Lord, or any of the tracks from that gig. Pan one hard left, and the other hard right, then sync them up. You will be able to hear the portions when he actually sang live, which was not much. Then when the tracked vocal kicks in, you will just hear what sounds like one vocal, even though you've got two tracks playing at the same time. You'll be able to hear the differences of the live band and the studio version on the left and right side, but the vocal wil sound identical.
A lot of people actually watch these types of videos at work with the sound off and captions on, so visual representations do better for this type of format. However, your idea would only work if the live and studio versions were the exact same tempo and arrangement. Unless the original was recorded to a strict click track, this wouldn't work without hours of meticulously warping of the live version to get it to match up, but then you are the one doing the editing! I agree with you that would be an excellent way to demonstrate this, but under most circumstances your method would be unreliable.
Nah. Most people have better eyesight than hearing ability. Not that many have finely tuned ears.
Fil said he prefers to avoid that method because it's too subjective. When you have software that can detect and map pitches to a graph, it removes any subjectivity and gives you hard, objective data.
Ken Tamplin is a clown and a scammer. I appreciate people pointing out his deceptive practices.
Eric, your voice sounds uncannily like Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys on the Sunflower album!
@sheatiller2465 we do have similar vocal ranges, and I sure do sing a lot of beach boys songs
Very interesting, thank you.
Dude, what about Ken Tamplin "playing" his guitar without even touching its strings? What about him "playing" a note that's not even on the fretboard? This level of obvious denial is getting scary! I cannot believe so many people are really that brainwashed!
There is so much to unpack here, I might do a followup. However, regarding the fret thing, I haven't seen that video yet, but if you have a 21 fret guitar and you do a full step and a half bend, it will sound like a 24 fret guitar, so I need to look into that.
@@ericwarnckeI think it was in Fil's second video. He definitely wasn't bending the notes _that_ much! (It was during quite a fast riff, istr.)
@@ericwarnckeit was a bend STARTING at the 24th fret. Not going to bend to that with a beginner squire or any other guitar with that number frets. I actually think this would be ok/understood if he wasn’t doubling down on it, gaslighting, and trying to make himself look like a god. In the comments “I grabbed my grandsons guitar and let the spirit move.” So, devine intervention to make that bend. If he just handled it with any class at all there would be no problem
I have to say that as an Australian I had never heard of him, even in the 80’s. He was certainly nothing here!
The problem with Aussie (pub rock) bands in the 70s and 80s is they had a hard time replicating their live sound in the studio. Pulling these moves Ken would never have survived on the Aussie scene.
As Peter Garret once said in an interview, if you start to think too much of yourself the Aussie fans will soon bring you back down to earth. (paraphrasing, but essentially what he meant)
I wonder if the Brits have a similar attitude, which would explain why Fil has issues with them saying it's live, but not being entirely true.
Fil is the best.
Lip synching happened all the time on TV in the 60s and beyond. There's a big difference between that and lip synching in concert, especially when the audience has paid money to get in. But even when the concert is free, that setting is not one where lip synching is expected like TV is. It's cheating.
Got to say best eg of this is with ABBA they made the girls record over and over again to get there sounds if line all met up would not be the same as we got
Fil talked about this video on his channel today in this video around 4 minutes in, th-cam.com/video/zV06kKcXjT8/w-d-xo.html
Wings of Pegasus brought me here. Great video. Thx.
Thanks! I think Fil forgot to link to the video so I'm glad you're here! Welcome
@ He did forget. I asked him about it. I searched for your first name along with his and the name of the software and you popped up 😂 What a great video. People really don't understand that it is impossible to do what others are claiming to do live.
Rather than just laying a screenshot over top of another screenshot, you should make a recording of whatever your singing and just run it through the pitch monitoring software several times and see how the software treats repeating digital vocals. That would be a better example of how they will line up
@@ryanmattie974 do you mean record my vocals once, then play that back multiple times and see if that looks the same each time?
@@ericwarncke yes
@@ryanmattie974 I am already thinking of a followup, so I'll try that out the next time. Somebody found another edited Ken Tamplin performance today, so there's plenty to talk about. old.reddit.com/r/KenTamplinEXPOSED/comments/1gcki0g/audioslave_show_me_how_to_live/
Also, maybe record your voice using your studio mic and play _that_ through the pitch monitor, rather than rely on the phone's mic (especially when you were singing into the back of the phone 😅). The higher the quality of the recording, the more the differences (or similarities in the case of lip syncing) will stand out. (For the "different version of the same recording" case, you could play one of the takes through decent speakers and record it with the studio mic.)
@@PeteC62 For sure, I could always try to be more exact with things. I'll try that if I do a followup. Thanks for the idea!
Hi Eric, recommended by Fil@wings of pegasus, so here I am. Great video. I subscribed. 🎼🎤
Eric, I wanted to listen to your discussion but the music background was too loud and annoying so I had to cut out after 1:52 minutes.
Try subtitles
How are you comparing the vocals in Vocal Pitch Monitor? Just screenshotting and overlaying them?
Would like to try this for myself but that's the part I'm getting hung up on.
@andrewdianetti9878 pretty much. I recorded my cellphone screen with an app and overlaid them on top of each other with my video editing software.
Talking about denial, KT did an interview for some podcast or something (it is on YT, but I am not giving him or them any views or traffic, and I watched it through a VPN, not logged in, and through an API, so no ads, so there!), claiming that this helped him, more people are now checking him out and it is bringing in customers... If you repeat a lie often enough, including to yourself, you start believing it... We can only hope OTHERS are not starting to believe it.
Regardless of the Vocal Pitch Monitor, no human can replicate any sound coming from their vocal chords as represented on a pitch monitoring graph for one simple reason - human vocal chords don't work that way!
Ken needs to quit and get a 9:00 - 5:00 job
This video is an excellent demonstration of why music sucks now a days. Im not picking on you here and it is not my intention to do so. However, you are trying to sing a song, but you don't have a melody. If there is no melody, there is no song. Your melody is so bad, even the pitch software can't find the notes in the melody. . You sing the phrase "I been a lot of places before. In that somewhat large musical phrase there are ten syllables. You only have melody on four out of the ten syllables. "I been", and "for or". What is all the mess in the middle? There is no melody on the largest part of the musical phrase, "a lot of places".
When you sing there so much slurring and slop going on with all the syllables in the words, whatever melody you think you are making is not clear enough to establish a motive, much less a musical phrase. If there is no motive, there is no phrase. If there is no musical phrase there is no melody. If there is no melody there is no song. So get on a piano or guitar and pick out what notes go into the melody you are trying to create. Maybe you can play the melody from the guitar or piano into the pitch software and then sing the same melody and compare the two. Then you should have something legit. Good or bad, it will at least be legit musically speaking.
If you can compare your musical instrument melody with your vocal melody using the pitch software, that would be an amazingly cool thing to do. You might be able to restore musical integrity to all of mankind. Do you see what I am trying to get at here? Thank you, good luck and God bless.
Lol. This was a fine melody. Most melodic, even!
Now wait 34yrs and sing a sixth take
I've never heard of Ken Tamplin. Perhaps Tamplin Tim, but that's another story.
After careful examination I understand youve been to a lot of places before
If you're interested soundcloud.com/birdandbeast/the-wait here's the song in question
Even Chuck Norris admits that Ken Tamplin lip-syncs better than Chuck Norris 😂😂
I've recorded since the 80s. I've been told the reason you double vocals is to fill out the voice (as with guitars or any instrument). The reason is, you can never sing exactly the same, ever. So, I don't know why anyone would argue otherwise. The people that do, obviously know nothing about music, except that they listen to it.
After watching a bunch of Tamplin’s videos, I think the most egregious thing, as far as his business goes, is how he really is a very bad teacher which is what he is getting paid to do. But overall the worst thing is how awful a person he is! A total bully and narc. He uses his money to bully anyone who even mentions his name by using threats to sue. One guy bought his course like 13 years ago and simply asked in title of his video if it is possible to be the best singer ever as Tamplin touts and Ken put a copyright strike on his channel and threatened to sue for also even saying his name. I wonder what is happening now with everyone using his name?!?
@@vickicali I can confirm I have not heard anything from Ken. I saw that video from the other vocal coach and it sounds bad, however, I don't claim to have all the details about that situation. It's not the most interesting detail about this story to me, but I know it has a lot of people outraged.
@@ericwarncke I am surprised knowing what a bully he is that he hasn’t gone after some to just to try and get them scared. His atty may be advising against it.
@@vickicaliit's impossible to know. Maybe my channel is so small he hasn't seen it or maybe he likes that I'm at least being fair and not just jumping on the bandwagon. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Maybe Ken is just enjoying the new influx of visitors to his channel and realizes all publicity is good in our weird ass society. Hard to say!
Ken gives Jesus a bad name.
@@trentvlak And he says he loves Jesus a Lot. 😂
Despite not being accurate below a cent, it should still be equal in equal out, and yes it is a fingerprint like issue. Notice how good your five samples sounded together. As you stacked them, some of your vibrato was phasing, but by the time you got five takes it was quite smooth. There is a tremendous amount of envy at the root of much “fandom”. It strikes us in very bad taste when someone is deceptive about their skills, skills which we wish we had. There is sourness to the depth and ferocity of these attacks in Ken that is independent of what punishment should fit his crime. I don’t know what Fil’s motive beyond a bunsiness model has him stuck making pitch monitor comment videos. I would prefer to hear him making more of his own music and sinking or swimming with that. Anyone can compare two radar gun readings, hopefully we use the power of this software to learn valuable and encouraging things about the human voice. As you just showed us, you are not less accurate as a singer than Ken Tamplin.
Ffs, it's clear Fil nailed it. One has to wonder why you're questioning it.
Everything should be verified. One has to wonder why you think we shouldn't verify this.
I think Fil would actually welcome an independent 3rd party demonstrating the non-repeatabilty of the human voice. The more examples of this we see, with takes recorded seconds apart (let alone 30 years apart!) the stronger Fil's case becomes.
I don't think he was questioning it. It's fair enough to test the test software and it came out as most of us expected.
@@L______llllIIIII No, I don't.
I don't see how it does any harm to bring extra validation for Fil's methods. This is how scientists work with and validate data and methodology BTW.
Even if he didn't lip sync he SUCKS
The best video on this subject. I think you are right about why it seems to have happened, and that it's no big deal.
It kind of is a big deal. He's the guy who's been teaching people how to sing and making videos about famous singers and criticising their technique. Just because lots of other people do it, it's not a great reason to do it, especially when his catch phrase is "The proof is in the singing"! And especially when he denyed it and called people grifters or jealous or whatever for spreading misinformation. Not to mentiondeleting all and any comment on his channel that pointed it out.
@@PeterCamberwick Yep, the projection was beyond strong in that one. Everything KT accused other coaches of, he was DOING. He criticized great singers and the quibbles he had were things HE WAS DOING. He is one big liar hypocrite. "relaxed vocal technique" BS. His throat looks as if it's about to explode when he's singing high range rock stuff. "no big deal" It's a HUGE, HUGE deal. It's known as FRAUD which is literally a crime in the U.S.
You just said that fraud is no big deal. @travisrepp1836
When I first seen some of his advertisements on TH-cam his snake oil sales pitch seemed very Trump like to me...
Except grocery prices actually were good under Trump.
@@Selrisitai And he pointed out how big Arnold Palmer's penis was. smh...
Yeh he really fucked up !! Open boarders,huge inflation,multi trillions of debt, free sex change for illegal migrants even the ones in jail !!!! Oh Hang on that’s the current government 😂
@@Selrisitai Yea but we had the biggest stock market crash in history and over 10% unemployment and thousands of businesses that went bankrupt thanks to his incompetence, food shortages, and a million people dead of course thanks to his poor leadership! I'll take Ken for president. At least Ken didn't have daddy give him 400 million dollars!
@@ricomajestic Drivel and ignorant tripe. It was the Dim&Craps that shut down the economy. On the plus side, you get to spend the next 4 years squirming.
Dude Fil did this a month ago
@@balazsbarabas3514 did you... watch the video? Obviously not
It's one thing to use an isolated vocal or a mostly isolated vocal. Doing that with a vocal in a mix is not reliable. "Isolated vocal" does not mean a vocal from an AI based stem splitter. Those tracks have a lot of missing data and are not reliable for pitch either. You may get results and then again you may not.
Sounds like something you can test, right?
@@ericwarncke In some cases. The more complex the mix is the harder it is. Those stem splitters always have a stem called "other" that has everything that the AI couldn't separate. It usually contains a mangled mess of things including parts of the vocals. On top of that those tools use FFT to do the analysis.
Splitting the spectrum up with FFT can cause a lot of phase issues across the frequency spectrum which are most noticeable in the high frequencies. So not only is there loss in the Ai figuring out what is what but phase issues, all depending on how complex the mix is that it's trying to extract the instrument or vocal from. If you have an instrument that is playing the same note as the vocal in unison it may not be able to separate the two.
I think you proved that it's more the timing rather than the pitch that differs. A point that Fil kinda of glosses over, where he's more concerned about the pitch be autotuned or corrected. In some of his examples one can conecde that the pitch may vary a little from a cell phone recording to a studio live stream to the original recording... if someone was lipsyncing what is NOT going to change is the timing. In the case of KT that Fil did the timings matched perfectly... i.e. Ken was lip syncing no doubt. What you've shown is exactly what a "chorus" effect is... it's the variation in timing that makes us hear multiple voices. If you take the same vocal track, doubled it, and pitch corrected one track, and then played them back together... it's simply going to sound like one voice at a different combined pitch.
Fil is showing two different things... those that are lip syncing and those that are pitch correcting - be it live with Autotune hardware or during mixing with a pitch correction plugin like Melodyne. Of course I'm sure there are some performers out there that are lip syncing to a track that they pitch corrected in the sudio. I'm also sure there are probably artists out there that are completey unaware that their label and sound engineers / mixers have pitch corrected their vocal(s) on an album. IMO pitch correction is a form of affirmative action, where we've lowered the talent level bar to where anyone can sing on an album... unless maybe if you sound like William Hung sing "She Bangs." :)
I don't think he proved what you said he did in your first line at all. His pitch was clearly all over the place, especially in the last bit of vibrato. What the pitch software is showing is that human vocal cords just can't reproduce exactly the same sequence of precise pitches from one take to the next, which is why none of the takes line up in the vertical axis, even if you shift the horizontal axis so the note starts at exactly the same moment for each of them.
Conversely, if you're lip syncing to a recording, the waveform from the lip synced "performance" will line up perfectly in both axes with the original source material used as the backing track.
This is the very crux of Fil's lip syncing analysis videos. (I'm not going to get into pitch correction/auto tune here, because it's irrelevant to the lip syncing analysis.)
I think you've missed the point of what Eric was doing. I don't believe the KT case has anything at all to do with pitch correction and Fil didn't suggest such a thing. But what Eric was trying to show was how difficult it is for a singer to exactly replicate a vocal performance. Eric had five attempt and all were difficult. And he only sang two bars each time, and making a three or four minute performance is even more impossible.
Wings of Pegasus may not be in on it with him, but he's done nothing but get this guy WAY more views/clicks and attention than he had before and now he's is using to his Advantage and thats not nonsense. He's doing it. That guy Ken may not be a good singer but he is one helluva salesman, People walking through the desert are thirsty and when they find a mirage there so thirsty they'll drink the sand, but this guy Ken understands they don't drink the sand because they are thirsty, they drink the sand because they don't know the difference.... And thanks to Wings of Pegasus he now has even more people checking him out to see what all the Drama is about, and he is telling his side of the story and quite a few are listening to him and are drinking the sand. So in closing i think Wings of Pegasus has done him more good than harm. And on Another note, Wings of Pegasus video Thats Metal is so cheesy and Grandiose, i find it ironic he calls other people out for trying to sound better than what they do when he would probably would benefit from it as well and actually needs it. He's not that good.
I'm glad everybody has a voice and gets to tell their side of the story. I've listened to both of their takes on the matter and I have drawn my own conclusions after testing everything myself. I just want to focus on the scientific side of it and leave the judgment for others to decide. Ken is a good salesman though.
@@ericwarncke you are right!yes he is!
Thanks! For reference, That's Metal (to my ears) is an 80's parody song, hence the toplessness and over the top nature of the video. It's the only song like that on my album, it was just a bit of fun. You'll find my other compositions a little less cheesy and Grandiose, but I know everyone has different taste so it's all ok! :)
The best example of cheesy vids are Ken's vids. All of them. Horrendous. And he wouldn't pose as a lawyer threatening to sue if he was enjoying all the attention. Try again.