On the other hand, Puddles, who I have never heard of before, is an extraordinary vocalist. His clarity, his phrasing, his inflection and his subtle power are all masterful. It is a pleasure to listen to him.
@flimmaytinstone8980 Thank you, Puddles. You have an extraordinary, unique and strikingly beautiful and pure voice. I mentioned on your page that , to me, you inhabit a singular vocal ground located between Tom Waits, Klaus Nomi and Robert Preston. I apologize for my ignorance. I haven't watched TV for over 15 years but how did you train? Are you self taught? A natural talent? I am always curious as to the magic behind the curtain. Thank you for making my day with your talent.
@flimmaytinstone8980 Thanks, Puddles. I understand persona, having lurked in the world of professional wrestling for a season. A further question, then, and again forgive my ignorance as i have just discovered your work today and am excited to be able to speak (or text, as it were) with you, do you sing differently in or out of your persona? Does the makeup affect your vocals? I am loving watching your work.
I was sitting back in my chair, just casually watching the video, by the time the Puddles clip was over, I found myself totally leaned in up to my monitor (and speakers) just sopping it in. Rather glad I dropped by
I laughed when I saw the video of him singing/playing. I have only casually watched his videos in the past on TH-cam and thought his tongue technique looked a bit weird. But that video Devon showed here in the video was ridiculous. Just looked like miming to me. I'm no expert, but the microphone technique looked weird indeed (not to mention the guitar playing).
@@Cloudburztmy guess is his followers and supporters aren’t musicians, or they’re beginners that haven’t found better tutorial channels yet. Some of them are free. I hope they do find them before they get discouraged and hang up their dreams.
I have only known Mr. Tamplin on TH-cam as a voice coach and I have never heard of him as a musician and concert performer, but I am Italian so I am excused. I think I will still follow him since he managed, with a 22 fret guitar, to play a note that only exists on the neck of a 24 fret guitar.
@@rabidpb Sorry for my mistake I was comparing Ken's guitar with the one in Fil's hands when I saw his latest youtube video on the matter. Surely with 21 frets one is led to believe in miracles.
I think he was hitting the 24th fret on a 21 fret Squire. 3 and 4 step bends while shredding in E standard tuning, no big deal. Not just that but he's able to get very high or low notes while he's playing on the complete opposite side of the neck. Guitar Jesus for sure. EVH eat your heart out.
I watch that Sebastian Bach's video with my son everyday, we always lough together when he jumps in over that beautiful voice. Insane. He's a meme of himself. Great video!
@@caseyjpayne7606 Im confused by your comment, are you talking about Sabatian Bachs videos or Ken Tamplins? I think Quicktastic is meaning that Ken has to earn the respect before he can have it. And not demand to have it.
I haven't watched all of this yet, only the first 3½ minutes, but in relation to something you said in your last video as well, and in this with "Ken, you don't have to say you're the greatest singer, the greatest vocal coach", this is my approach to teaching: I don't have a long career behind me in teaching and have never played professionally (but I've had some nice comments about my teaching, which I appreciate A LOT). However, one of the things I always highlight when teaching is "this is how I approach X, Y, Z..." or "this is what has worked for me in learning/understanding X, Y, Z...", and trying to find a way for a student that works for THEM to understand it - and that may be a different approach to my own, but I can still support that approach. Selling a course or lesson as "this is the BEST/ONLY way to learn guitar/singing/piano" always irks me. It seems your approach is not about gloating like Ken, that's for sure! I can always appreciate that.
@@devon-graves-studio-D I appreciate that so much! Thank you - that's a bucket load of motivation for me to keep going right there! I have a few guitar covers of Psychotic Waltz on my channel but plan on doing more.
Lip-syncing is not ok given Ken earn a living as a vocal coach....especially when he doesn't disclose that fact either prior or after..... every time he does it.
See, people appreciate honesty. Homie is like, "I'm making this video for views. The last one was popular." And everyone is like "we're okay with this."
He needs to SWALLOW HIS PRIDE !! But as a said in another text to you, narcissists NEVER ADMIT THEYRE WRONG OR EVER HAVE BEEN WRONG. So everybody DO T HOKD YOUR BREATH.
He doesn't delete the comments, instead he sets them to that "hide comment from channel" setting. If you go look, your comment looks like it's there but no one else can see it. Imagine policing every single comment on your Facebook, Instagram and TH-cam. You'd need to hire staff
@PeteC62 yes, that's what makes TH-cam so insidious. So many people over the years think their conment is being ignored, while in reality only they can see it.
Apart from the incrowd nobody has. And after all this lying even his dear Lord doesn't want to know him anymore. Still, why am I so sure that Trump would speak highly of him, if he knew Tamplin? Though at the same time I'd assume that Trump would say he's actualy be a better singer and guitar player than Tamplin.
Someone needs to put up a public challenge to Ken and tell him that if he can sing/play a stripped down version of this on a livestream with no backing track, in the same key as in his 1989 studio recording, a large check would be delivered to a charity of his choice. The rules would be simple: all he can bring is his guitar, pedal board, and an amp. The studio would supply the rest. This could be done at any neutral, third party studio near him.
Amen, man. Love that you address the way Ken critiques singers. There is no “one right way”. That alone tells me he shouldn’t be “coaching” anyone. That’s not what a mentor/coach does.
Good point. And to me, his voice, particularly his calmer midrange is so nasal and throaty that it sounds really bad. More of an example of what NOT to do. Thanks for your comment, friend.
I've always looked up to Ken and his work, but this lip-syncing scandal has completely shattered my respect for him. It's a real shame to see someone build a career on something so dishonest
He "hid" my comment which allows me to see it, but no one else. That is borderline psychopathic deception imo. I think not be finished with him yet. But my promise was this is my last word on the topic, being lip syncing. I won't talk about THAT :) I didn't use to totally dislike him, but now it's a different story. Not as much about my comment, but watch his video on "How to sing Painkiller" where he claims to sing it better than Rob Halford LOL
Same. I had my disagreements with him on the best way for a baritone to hit the high tenor notes (Geoff Tate vs Ken) and that's all cool, mostly just opinion on what sounds better. But seriously, WTF! This latest thing is so messed up! My respect for him has plummeted.
Before today, I had never even heard about Ken Tamplin. After watching several videos on different YT-channels I conclude: he must be the Donald Trump of the rock music scene.
One thing I find telling at 15:01 is: Where's the "parrot tongue" maneuver he usually does when he hits a high note with force? You know - like those "HEEEEEEY, YEEEEEEAH" notes he randomly yells? That movement's not happening, because he's not actually hitting the high notes at all. You can see his tongue begin to do it on some notes, then relax more on subsequent "high" notes. I think this is because he's dodging the high notes irl; he's actively avoiding hitting them because he can likely feel the strain coming and sings lower instead.
It’s cool how he manages to play multi-guitar harmonies and sing vocal harmonies all by himself at the same time. Especially while not even facing the mic. It’s amazing how he plays lead and rhythm simultaneously, too. It takes real talent to keep the chords consistent while doing a dive bomb.
I'm just flabbergasted that people really think Ken was singing this live, unbelievable... Righthand picking was just out of this world... 😅🤣 Had to pick myself up from the floor laughing
Maybe got this wrong. The lip sych was very obvious and I'm sure Ken didn't really expect anyone to beleive he was actually playing and singing live. ..people aren't that stupid...surely!@@
Love your commentary. My old football coach said this. “What people say about themselves out of arrogance reveals their specific weakness and jealousy”. I think Ken reveals it clearly. Sadly he is getting more popular because of it still.
@@ricomajestic I know, I was just joking. I think the point of not wanting to hear soulful people who can't sing is just unrealistic. Obviously Ken can sing, but so should someone with soul
I love your approach, like also Phil from wings of Pegasus. Clear and factual and humble as it should be. Ken's personality truly gets in his own way. Thank you for sharing Puddles Pity Party, what a wonderful voice. I love when musicians bring other musicians forward.
I couldn't agree more,... well spoken my friend : ) There is a fine line between arrogance and acknowledgement,... it is not the horn which powers the diesel!
IF he puts a Copyright strike on your Channel you simply put in a dispute, Meatloaf the performer tried to do that for my Video on my channel many years ago , he put his legal team on to me but I refused to back down, that Video has almost a million views to this day
TH-cam love putting their climate change fact checks under every video that remotely comes near the topic. Yet they allow Ken to lie and delete comments.
On what grounds could I dispute? It's already claimed by both Ken AND The Pixies. I won't get any revenue anyway. I heard it is worse to loose a dispute.
@@devon-graves-studio-D Fair Use - you’re allowed to use clips of other people’s content for commentary/criticism/illustrate a point. As long as you acknowledged who/where the clips are from you should be fine.
I don’t know a thing about Ken Tamplin, but to every one brought here by this guy: If you‘re interested in great rock music, I recommend Psychotic Waltz. 😊
Whatever talents Tamplin has or doesn't have, he's obviously a classical narcissist. As such, he might not even realize he's lying. If you are your own god, then you are by definition right.
I just want to thank Ken for bringing up your video about him to my feed. I did not know you actually have a channel until now. Watching your stuff backwards now. I am a fan of yours since I saw you July 7th 1993. Didn’t knew who you were, some friend said waltz is worth going.. and you blew my head straight off. Still got that ticket to this day. I hope I get a chance to see you again live.
YES, yes , you hit it exactly the way it is, so true. Hopefully if TH-cam takes this video down, remove or edit the part TH-cam first disapproves, you please put it back up (after edit) because you really brought the truth forward.
Ken tried to do a rock version of Dimash Qudaibergens Stranger which was awful. He could just about reach the notes I think but whereas Dimash reaches them with ease, Ken looked like his head was going to explode. I wasn't sure if this was all live. He isn't a singer that I would want to go and see as he looks like he's really straining.
I love the way u take out the positives of him before going down with the issues of the whole situation. I used to watch some of his videos, and yes i love the video of Sabastian Bachs singing that particular song was impressive its one of my favorite live songs of Sabastian. I hope he comes out with the truth on the backing tracks lip syncing. Another musician i love, but would really want to know if they miming is Nikki Sixx.
Yeah, that was quick. He must watch everything with a hawk's eye, have people helping him, or some kind of AI doing it. I just hope people continue exposing him this way until he comes clean (IF he ever does). I feel bad for his potential students who haven't heard about all this and buy his material in good faith.
He "hides" these comments. That way the person who posted still sees it. I see it from my own channel, but not from someone else. Sneaky and very deceptive indeed.
My friend Devon, I not try hide anything 😕 But my new course ‘How to Hide Somebting Better Than Anyone Else’ is on sale now, but I give you complimentary discount. Love forever Ken Tunecorrect Tampers
Wow. (~ 15 min in) Any guitar player watching two seconds of that can see that the playing doesn't time with the music. And that right hand is just ridiculous.
I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel while binging Ken Tamplin controversy videos. Very entertaining and honest video. Whatever gets you clicks and views, go for it. There’s no shame in that as long as you’re genuine.
Great video Devon. Sound, humble, critically thinking and highlights why it’s so important that everyone realise truth when someone’s big ego is trying to bend others to the opposite. The puddles pity party was awesome. It would be really nice to hear your take on Devin Townsend live recording of Kingdom in studio. That take always blow me away. Great video, great things said. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sweden !
Devin Townsend is absolutely Godly. I saw something in the sealy 200s called "Safezone" If I remember correct. Live in the studio. Flawless and jaw-dropping.
I think it's disgraceful that he deletes all the negative comments - so he obviously reads them - but he left a comment saying that was a virtuoso guitar performance. He saw it and was like: Well that one is true. I'm leaving that one!
TH-cam can be weird sometimes.. I've been listening to Deadsoul Tribe for like fifteen years now, and suddenly YT recommends me Devon's video because of this Ken Tamplin fiasco :]]
companies such as data analytica have socially profiled every user on the internet. they target viewers with loaded content. it all came out back around 2016 with the election over in the USA.
Wonderful video. Great to listen to someone speak with a great understanding of how different vocalists express themselves. Having spent a lot of time in recording studios myself, it's always so easy to detect when a performance is mined, and that's in the direction from where the sound comes. I know that for most people who haven't had that experience of recording could easily be fooled into believing that what they believe to be live really isn't, but not for the trained ear. An example of what I'm talking about was wonderfully demonstrated in the performance of Puddles that you played and who I'd never heard of before but instantly loved. But when you watch and listen to this performance every movement he makes around the microphone whilst singing changes the expression of every word, you don't get that when a performance is pre-recorded and mimed to. REN is another artist who very masterfully demonstrates how playing with a real live vocal performance can express a song in a much greater way as he demonstrates in The Tale Of Jenny And Screech, or Hi REN. So thanks for talking the time to do this video and for introducing Puddles Pity Party, I'm a fan now.
Devon, this was as thoughtfully and genuinely presented as could be. (Your previous take was good, too.) I only discovered you (and subscribed!) because of the whole "I"m not just Ken, I'm the best Ken ever" story via Wings of Pegasus. I just had a look at The Ken's video (12:45 am EST, Oct. 11/24) and interestingly, there are still 462 comments...yet yours is gone, as are the two that were below it. There are now seven more from two years ago instead, like the rest of them. But what's most striking about that video is that anyone can or should so easily see and hear that his singing and playing is not only not live, it's so laughably faked. For a Christian Metal musician, he seems awfully proud of himself. Perhaps the genre is about living just some of the seven sins instead of all of them. I'm off to join the Puddles Pity Party now!
I have a song about following faith leaders to your doom. It's called "Regret". The first verse is about his cult. The second about Marshall Applewhite and the third about Jim Jones. I will post a (real) live in-the.studio acoustic version shortly.
your comment has indeed been deleted. and the latest comment praising his guitar playing and singing is probably one of his many alt accounts where he showers himself with compliments again
@@devon-graves-studio-D Your comment has been hidden from everyone else but you, so called shadow banning. Go to that video without being logged in and you'll see that it's gone.
Holy sheesh, Psychotic Waltz! Didn't expect to find you amongst the discourse. Didn't know you had a YT channel. Me and my buddies here in Ireland are PW fans. I guess I'm, at the time of writing, your newest subscriber. Hope you're well, man.
How ironic that the real clown wasn't the one wearing the make-up & pom-poms. First time I've ever seen Ken and within 30 seconds it was plainly obvious it was mimed... I've seen 1st time drag queens with better lip syncing skills than Ken! There's two dead giveaways for me... the "studio mix" sound (with those conveniently balanced harmonies that never over-step his vocal)... and repeatedly missing his cues by a fraction of a second (something I learnt from theatre pros & drag artists indicates a performer who's "chasing" the lip sync instead of matching the vocal performance). It just made the ego in his video description doubly eye-rolling. And I knew I'd seen Puddles before... I was wracking my brain until you mentioned Primus, that performance was brilliant! I'm excited to track down his 'War Pigs' cover now, I _love_ hearing more classically-trained vocalists like Puddles cover that track. 🤘😎
Watch out, you may find yourself on a Puddles binge! lol He was on one of those competition shows several years ago. I think it was America's Got Talent, but maybe it was a different show. I don't watch them. Anyway, he was loved, and has had a following since. He's also worked with Post Modern Jukebox quite a bit. I didn't know he appeared with Primus. Now I have to go find it.
Quick test for anyone doubting he’s miming. Borderline (recorded version) th-cam.com/video/svj05KRPes4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BgtNrbgmMVFTLZY7 Paus at 0:54 Open: (”live”-performance) th-cam.com/video/Irg9zgCpLwE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GtjMmR_x_ZQQpJVo Paus at 5:40 Try to play them at the same time.(have on paused and play the other when it’s close to the timestamp) Now you will get an echo effect, because it’s the same track.(the recorded one) played twice. Play with volumes. Want to do a more detailed analysis download the soundtracks import and see them match perfectly :)
I didn't even have to do any pausing. That guitar player is NOT playing that solo live and Ken is lip syncing the crap out of those first lines. Watch his mouth when he sings the word "DANGER ZONE". The singing fades out yet his mouth is still wide open "singing" the word ZONE.
Another great one! Thanks 🙏. But why are you and Fil saying „that’s definitely my last one on this subject“ - why shutting a door while it‘s entertaining as f*^%!? Please do more on it! What I think is mindblowing is the fact that Ken hangs his being a Christian and a missionary man for Christ while obviously the Bible tells not to lie, to be humble and pne should not exalt oneself and not think too highly of oneself. Ken missed all that obviously! And why is he always so hyper actively overacting? WTF. That’s not energy that must be some kind of hyperthyroidism (or white powder?) Man, man, man… phew 😅 But thank you very much on this well crafted video and the mention of the white clown singing - that one is awesome… I‘m gonna check him out on TH-cam! Keep it up Devon!
I´d much rather see more of Devons creative output, than to have him join in on bashing some guy who has already lost all credibility. No need to keep kicking Ken, in my opinion! If you enjoy that kind of stuff I´m sure there are other channels out there to scratch that itch.
Hey, thanks for the encouragement! I don't have any more to add to the discussion. I deliberately held off on calling him out on his Christianity and the implications thereof, but believe me, it was tempting.
Puddles always leave me with a melancholic smile on my face. He is wonderful! 🙏🏻 Now, there is a real singer, from top to toe. 🎤 Ken Tamplin on the other hand… 😵💫
Possibly stupid technical question regarding Puddles' performance (great singing, btw!): how does he get feedback on how the mic picks up what he's singing? I don't see any in-ears. If there's a studio monitor playing it back, how does he avoid audio feedback?
I think he has the piano track playing very lightly in the room and uses it as a guide. He is clearly confident enough in his own vocals to sing it all nearly a capella. I have done this myself, in the past and it worked quite well. Also, it is a little simpler when the music track is less percussive.
@@danij5055 Well Prince is a great songwriter and ken isn't it. Ken is a guitar shredder if you check his live videos from the 80s and prince is more blues oriented. Prince is not Van Halen or Hendrix and was not a big influence on guitarists!
Your analysis is spot on and pitch perfect in tone and tenor. Anyone who's ever spent time tracking live in a studio or with an intuitive sense of optics and sound would understand any notion that Tamplin's vox/instr performance in that clip isnt lip syncd /mimed is patently absurd..cartoonish levels.
He even monitors replies to other peoples comments. I tried a few on old posts and they were gone pretty quickly. I wasn't even being rude or anything. Was just pointing some things out. haha .. I guess that's why he puts his little heart on all the comments so he can keep track. hahaha
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I purchased Ken's 'How to Blow Your Own Trumpet' course. Now, I walk around with a ridiculous air of superiority.
hahaha
My lack of confidence holds me back. Thanks for the advice, Steve 👍
Like Ken says, the proof is in the syncing.
😂😂😂
Lmfao!😂😂😂
I saw Ken was worried about the guitar playing analysis, so I told him not two fret too much.
🤣🤣🤣
He really stuck his neck out on this one.
Fret syncing
Bridge over troubled waters.
more like Ten Kamplin, am I right guys?
Bottom line, in all the years Ken has been singing, and all the albums he has put out, why has no one EVER heard of him if he is “so good”.
I agree. The only Tamplin I ever heard of is a Plumber local to me. Mr Tamplin - Self praise, by the way, is no praise at all!
When I heard about this guy on Fil's channel I had to google him.
Because his songs are objectively dreadful
Funny that's exactly what I was thinking
Facts
Ken Tamplin is the most humble guy. Just ask him. I'm sure he'd tell you 😉
🤣
@@danij5055
He is actually so humble that he comes across as arrogant, just like his tounge is so relaxed that it looks stiff.
😂
In Australia we have an acronym that describes people like Ken. FIGJAM - Fck I'm Good, Just Ask Me.
I, Too, Am Extraordinarily Humble!
😁
On the other hand, Puddles, who I have never heard of before, is an extraordinary vocalist. His clarity, his phrasing, his inflection and his subtle power are all masterful. It is a pleasure to listen to him.
@flimmaytinstone8980 Thank you, Puddles. You have an extraordinary, unique and strikingly beautiful and pure voice. I mentioned on your page that , to me, you inhabit a singular vocal ground located between Tom Waits, Klaus Nomi and Robert Preston. I apologize for my ignorance. I haven't watched TV for over 15 years but how did you train? Are you self taught? A natural talent? I am always curious as to the magic behind the curtain. Thank you for making my day with your talent.
I’ve watched many of Puddles videos. Great vocalist. I love his “mashed-up” songs. Takes the lyrics of one song and sings it to another song. Surreal.
@flimmaytinstone8980 Your training has served you well - big up to Mr. Haney!
@flimmaytinstone8980 Thanks, Puddles. I understand persona, having lurked in the world of professional wrestling for a season. A further question, then, and again forgive my ignorance as i have just discovered your work today and am excited to be able to speak (or text, as it were) with you, do you sing differently in or out of your persona? Does the makeup affect your vocals? I am loving watching your work.
I was sitting back in my chair, just casually watching the video, by the time the Puddles clip was over, I found myself totally leaned in up to my monitor (and speakers) just sopping it in. Rather glad I dropped by
Ken Tamplin once ate a Rubik's cube and pooped it out solved.
Chuck Norris did that too😂
Then ate it again.
I heard in less than 5 seconds. Legend.
He's just that good
He also played a seven note chord on a six string.
Today coach Ken taught me to sing in a 45 deg angle to the mic from 3 feet distance. Thank you, Ken.
That's how they do it in the pros! :)
I laughed when I saw the video of him singing/playing. I have only casually watched his videos in the past on TH-cam and thought his tongue technique looked a bit weird. But that video Devon showed here in the video was ridiculous. Just looked like miming to me. I'm no expert, but the microphone technique looked weird indeed (not to mention the guitar playing).
@@Cloudburztmy guess is his followers and supporters aren’t musicians, or they’re beginners that haven’t found better tutorial channels yet. Some of them are free. I hope they do find them before they get discouraged and hang up their dreams.
@@CloudburztI'm no musician, but that tongue looks all kinds of wrong
@@johnsmilitantbelch Wrong for singing, yes.
Ken has potential to win the Air Guitar World Championships. He shreds that well.
I hate when people compare Ken to Coverdale or Dio. He doesnt have the soul and the elegance of those two.
People?
Ken Tamplin compares himself to Coverdale and Dio.
Who does that?😂
@@ActionFigureMagic Answer: Ken Tamplin 😂
@@danij5055 hahahahah 😂
How dare anyone compare, what an insult to Coverdale and Dio.
I have only known Mr. Tamplin on TH-cam as a voice coach and I have never heard of him as a musician and concert performer, but I am Italian so I am excused. I think I will still follow him since he managed, with a 22 fret guitar, to play a note that only exists on the neck of a 24 fret guitar.
😂
Actually, it's a 21 fret guitar, which makes it an even more legendary feat.
@@rabidpb Sorry for my mistake I was comparing Ken's guitar with the one in Fil's hands when I saw his latest youtube video on the matter. Surely with 21 frets one is led to believe in miracles.
At this stage now the guitar is miming itself
I think he was hitting the 24th fret on a 21 fret Squire. 3 and 4 step bends while shredding in E standard tuning, no big deal. Not just that but he's able to get very high or low notes while he's playing on the complete opposite side of the neck. Guitar Jesus for sure. EVH eat your heart out.
I watch that Sebastian Bach's video with my son everyday, we always lough together when he jumps in over that beautiful voice. Insane. He's a meme of himself. Great video!
True respect is earned, not demanded.
Earned? Have you heard his albums?
@@caseyjpayne7606 Im confused by your comment, are you talking about Sabatian Bachs videos or Ken Tamplins? I think Quicktastic is meaning that Ken has to earn the respect before he can have it. And not demand to have it.
@@bridget22868 Do you mean to say that Ken demands respect from someone?
Playing "live" hitting the 24th fret on a Fender Squire, amazing when Strats have 21 frets but Ken swears he is playing it live? 🤔🤣😂
That was a different video. I checked his high note on this one and it was indeed on the 21st fret... at least.
Thank you for promoting Puddles. He deserves huge amounts of success.
Ken Tamplin is the Trump of Singing. So successful despite so many flaws! Hats off to that. If anything, he is talked about.
"No one knows more about singing than me..." Donald Trump! :)
@@devon-graves-studio-D hahaha!
That "Puddles Pity Party" was just a wonderful performance. Such a beautiful voice.
He is divine. I love his voice. I would drive a long distance to watch him sing.
...And what a moving performer as well, right?
I haven't watched all of this yet, only the first 3½ minutes, but in relation to something you said in your last video as well, and in this with "Ken, you don't have to say you're the greatest singer, the greatest vocal coach", this is my approach to teaching: I don't have a long career behind me in teaching and have never played professionally (but I've had some nice comments about my teaching, which I appreciate A LOT). However, one of the things I always highlight when teaching is "this is how I approach X, Y, Z..." or "this is what has worked for me in learning/understanding X, Y, Z...", and trying to find a way for a student that works for THEM to understand it - and that may be a different approach to my own, but I can still support that approach. Selling a course or lesson as "this is the BEST/ONLY way to learn guitar/singing/piano" always irks me. It seems your approach is not about gloating like Ken, that's for sure! I can always appreciate that.
I like your approach, and I like what you said. Thank you, and all the best with your singing and teaching! BTW, I just subscribed to your channel ;)
@@devon-graves-studio-D I appreciate that so much! Thank you - that's a bucket load of motivation for me to keep going right there! I have a few guitar covers of Psychotic Waltz on my channel but plan on doing more.
Why would Ken sing over double tracked songs with backing vocals, drums,etc and pretend that it’s live.
It’s so obvious that he is miming.
Coz hes an idiot thats so far up his own backside he doesn't think mere mortals like us could catch it.
Exactly this.
@jonny5alive123 cuz he thinks he's a vocal god? Hell find a reason. Hell pull one out of his bad of tricks.
Your metaphor about playing a guitar at the 24th fret captures the issue perfectly!
Thank you!
David Gilmore doesn't plug his guitar into an amp...he plugs it into Ken.
Lip-syncing is not ok given Ken earn a living as a vocal coach....especially when he doesn't disclose that fact either prior or after..... every time he does it.
See, people appreciate honesty. Homie is like, "I'm making this video for views. The last one was popular." And everyone is like "we're okay with this."
Facts.
Puddles! What a legend! Here's someone so talented that he doesn't need to justify anything to anyone. Never has. Perhaps Mike Geier learnt from KTVA.
Not only do I love his singing, but his acting, his performance is quite moving. The way he acts depressed and hopeless between certain lines...
Legend indeed.
He needs to SWALLOW HIS PRIDE !!
But as a said in another text to you, narcissists NEVER ADMIT THEYRE WRONG OR EVER HAVE BEEN WRONG. So everybody DO T HOKD YOUR BREATH.
He doesn't delete the comments, instead he sets them to that "hide comment from channel" setting. If you go look, your comment looks like it's there but no one else can see it. Imagine policing every single comment on your Facebook, Instagram and TH-cam. You'd need to hire staff
I looked and Devon’s comment is not there on that video. Last comment singing praises to KT was 9 days ago.
Unbelievable LOL
OMG so TH-cam literally has a "shadow ban" setting.
@PeteC62 yes, that's what makes TH-cam so insidious. So many people over the years think their conment is being ignored, while in reality only they can see it.
At this point he's not waving. He's drowning. Let's wave back at him!
Ha! Nice one!
@@devon-graves-studio-D Keep making these vids and I will find a way to make it relevant to at least one lyric every time! :D
Poor chap, he always loved larking
Actually he's syncing not waving😊
I had never heard of Ken Tamplin until all of this blew up. He is so far up his own a@#$ he can touch his tongue.
same
Apart from the incrowd nobody has. And after all this lying even his dear Lord doesn't want to know him anymore.
Still, why am I so sure that Trump would speak highly of him, if he knew Tamplin? Though at the same time I'd assume that Trump would say he's actualy be a better singer and guitar player than Tamplin.
Maybe that's the problem with his tongue?
@@acatnameddoerak People gotta find a way to bring Trump into a discussion that isn't even about Trump. TDS is a real disease.
Someone needs to put up a public challenge to Ken and tell him that if he can sing/play a stripped down version of this on a livestream with no backing track, in the same key as in his 1989 studio recording, a large check would be delivered to a charity of his choice. The rules would be simple: all he can bring is his guitar, pedal board, and an amp. The studio would supply the rest. This could be done at any neutral, third party studio near him.
Maybe that should be you then?
Amen, man. Love that you address the way Ken critiques singers. There is no “one right way”. That alone tells me he shouldn’t be “coaching” anyone. That’s not what a mentor/coach does.
Good point. And to me, his voice, particularly his calmer midrange is so nasal and throaty that it sounds really bad. More of an example of what NOT to do. Thanks for your comment, friend.
I've always looked up to Ken and his work, but this lip-syncing scandal has completely shattered my respect for him. It's a real shame to see someone build a career on something so dishonest
He "hid" my comment which allows me to see it, but no one else. That is borderline psychopathic deception imo. I think not be finished with him yet. But my promise was this is my last word on the topic, being lip syncing. I won't talk about THAT :) I didn't use to totally dislike him, but now it's a different story. Not as much about my comment, but watch his video on "How to sing Painkiller" where he claims to sing it better than Rob Halford LOL
@@devon-graves-studio-DI believe that is called "Shadow Banning" and it's practiced by thin skin narcissists.
@@devon-graves-studio-D He claims he can sing better than the metal GOD Rob Halford? Hahahahahahahahaha!!!
Same. I had my disagreements with him on the best way for a baritone to hit the high tenor notes (Geoff Tate vs Ken) and that's all cool, mostly just opinion on what sounds better. But seriously, WTF! This latest thing is so messed up! My respect for him has plummeted.
That clip of Tamplin "playing guitar and singing" wasn't even lip-synced. It was lip-out-of-synced.
Puddles doesn't clown around when he's singing, good voice.
Humility is perhaps the most underrated of all virtues; you went said it so well from 4:20.
Before today, I had never even heard about Ken Tamplin. After watching several videos on different YT-channels I conclude: he must be the Donald Trump of the rock music scene.
Shouldnt be your last word. Guys like this should be held accountable for the fraud they grift
I think I once heard somewhere that Ken beat Chuck Norris in a fight😮
Ken can also bake the most delicious cake ever.
One thing I find telling at 15:01 is: Where's the "parrot tongue" maneuver he usually does when he hits a high note with force? You know - like those "HEEEEEEY, YEEEEEEAH" notes he randomly yells? That movement's not happening, because he's not actually hitting the high notes at all. You can see his tongue begin to do it on some notes, then relax more on subsequent "high" notes. I think this is because he's dodging the high notes irl; he's actively avoiding hitting them because he can likely feel the strain coming and sings lower instead.
It's 2024. He identifies as a talented musician, singer, and content creator.
It’s cool how he manages to play multi-guitar harmonies and sing vocal harmonies all by himself at the same time. Especially while not even facing the mic. It’s amazing how he plays lead and rhythm simultaneously, too. It takes real talent to keep the chords consistent while doing a dive bomb.
🤣🤣🤣
These Ken types worked at guitar stores in the eighties and nineties.
I'm just flabbergasted that people really think Ken was singing this live, unbelievable... Righthand picking was just out of this world... 😅🤣 Had to pick myself up from the floor laughing
Yeah that elbow technique is just horrid. His thumb on his left hand is all over the place too. He has zero lead guitar technique.
Maybe got this wrong. The lip sych was very obvious and I'm sure Ken didn't really expect anyone to beleive he was actually playing and singing live. ..people aren't that stupid...surely!@@
Puddles is an amazing singer ❤ Thanks for sharing, I would never have known about him.
The proof is in the syncing
What are you syncing about? 😂
So the song is his own and he writes that it is one of the greatest pieces of music ever written? Mind blowing 🤐
I noticed that too! Whaaaat? 🤦♀
Love your commentary. My old football coach said this. “What people say about themselves out of arrogance reveals their specific weakness and jealousy”. I think Ken reveals it clearly. Sadly he is getting more popular because of it still.
I don't think it's the attention he wants tho
Puddles has done great work with Post Modern Jukebox! Thank you for doing another detailed Tamplin video.
Yes! Puddles! Post Modern Jukebox! Real talent!
Message to Ken: no one cares for perfection - they want soul, passion and authenticity. Things you apparently don't have.
Would you really listen to someone with a lot of soul but is always off pitch?
@@ricomajestic what a strange question in the age of Auto-Tune
@@paulciampo2104 Real singers don't use auto-tune.
@@ricomajestic I know, I was just joking. I think the point of not wanting to hear soulful people who can't sing is just unrealistic. Obviously Ken can sing, but so should someone with soul
My favourite Ken video is the one where he's trapped inside an invisible box.
I love your approach, like also Phil from wings of Pegasus. Clear and factual and humble as it should be. Ken's personality truly gets in his own way. Thank you for sharing Puddles Pity Party, what a wonderful voice. I love when musicians bring other musicians forward.
Puddles is a treasure♥
"Playing guitar and singing is really hard." Geddy Lee says "hold my beer." (Bass, synth, Taurus pedals, vocals)
I couldn't agree more,... well spoken my friend : ) There is a fine line between arrogance and acknowledgement,... it is not the horn which powers the diesel!
I will thank Ken Tamplin for bringing me to this channel. New subscriber :D
Awesome! Yes, thank you Ken!
IF he puts a Copyright strike on your Channel you simply put in a dispute, Meatloaf the performer tried to do that for my Video on my channel many years ago , he put his legal team on to me but I refused to back down, that Video has almost a million views to this day
TH-cam love putting their climate change fact checks under every video that remotely comes near the topic. Yet they allow Ken to lie and delete comments.
On what grounds could I dispute? It's already claimed by both Ken AND The Pixies. I won't get any revenue anyway. I heard it is worse to loose a dispute.
@@devon-graves-studio-D Fair Use - you’re allowed to use clips of other people’s content for commentary/criticism/illustrate a point. As long as you acknowledged who/where the clips are from you should be fine.
@@HulaHula667 Thank you!
@@devon-graves-studio-D Welcome! 😄
I don’t know a thing about Ken Tamplin, but to every one brought here by this guy: If you‘re interested in great rock music, I recommend Psychotic Waltz. 😊
Fantastic band with an awesome singer! 😉👍
Proverbs 27: 2 Let someone else praise you, not your own mouth-a stranger, not your own lips.
Whatever talents Tamplin has or doesn't have, he's obviously a classical narcissist. As such, he might not even realize he's lying. If you are your own god, then you are by definition right.
I just want to thank Ken for bringing up your video about him to my feed. I did not know you actually have a channel until now. Watching your stuff backwards now. I am a fan of yours since I saw you July 7th 1993. Didn’t knew who you were, some friend said waltz is worth going.. and you blew my head straight off. Still got that ticket to this day. I hope I get a chance to see you again live.
Hehe, similar here :) But I haven't had the chance to see either PW or DT live :(
You need to set the bar highet
Higher
Devon, still you are a gentleman! True words but nicely spoken!!!! All the best for you!!! :) :) :)
Thank you so very much :)
YES, yes , you hit it exactly the way it is, so true. Hopefully if TH-cam takes this video down, remove or edit the part TH-cam first disapproves, you please put it back up (after edit) because you really brought the truth forward.
Ken tried to do a rock version of Dimash Qudaibergens Stranger which was awful. He could just about reach the notes I think but whereas Dimash reaches them with ease, Ken looked like his head was going to explode. I wasn't sure if this was all live. He isn't a singer that I would want to go and see as he looks like he's really straining.
I love the way u take out the positives of him before going down with the issues of the whole situation. I used to watch some of his videos, and yes i love the video of Sabastian Bachs singing that particular song was impressive its one of my favorite live songs of Sabastian. I hope he comes out with the truth on the backing tracks lip syncing. Another musician i love, but would really want to know if they miming is Nikki Sixx.
Humility. Honesty. Values so graciously taught in this video.
Funny, but i can´t find your comment under Ken´s video... Ken, the master-deletererer ?🤣
Yeah, that was quick. He must watch everything with a hawk's eye, have people helping him, or some kind of AI doing it. I just hope people continue exposing him this way until he comes clean (IF he ever does). I feel bad for his potential students who haven't heard about all this and buy his material in good faith.
Ken has been very busy the last couple of weeks deleting comments from the videos on his YT channel.....lol
Your comment is gone. Let's see mine.
It's 11:35am (-3)
@@Stemma3 Already gone I'm afraid. Latest comment that shows was 9 days ago. Hawkeye did it again.
He "hides" these comments. That way the person who posted still sees it. I see it from my own channel, but not from someone else. Sneaky and very deceptive indeed.
My friend Devon,
I not try hide anything 😕
But my new course ‘How to Hide Somebting Better Than Anyone Else’ is on sale now, but I give you complimentary discount.
Love forever
Ken Tunecorrect Tampers
Sign me up! :)
Wow. (~ 15 min in) Any guitar player watching two seconds of that can see that the playing doesn't time with the music. And that right hand is just ridiculous.
Which performance?
Ken has been letting us down for years...
When I saw Ken slag on Steve Perry and Sting, I was like, what????
Wot!? 😵
I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel while binging Ken Tamplin controversy videos. Very entertaining and honest video. Whatever gets you clicks and views, go for it. There’s no shame in that as long as you’re genuine.
Lol, of course, Puddles! 🤣. Cool example, love his version of Holy Diver with Primus. He is legend!
I almost spat coffee EVERYWHERE!!! "You love yourself" LOLOLOLOL
Great video Devon. Sound, humble, critically thinking and highlights why it’s so important that everyone realise truth when someone’s big ego is trying to bend others to the opposite. The puddles pity party was awesome. It would be really nice to hear your take on Devin Townsend live recording of Kingdom in studio. That take always blow me away. Great video, great things said. Keep up the good work. Cheers from Sweden !
Devin Townsend is absolutely Godly. I saw something in the sealy 200s called "Safezone" If I remember correct. Live in the studio. Flawless and jaw-dropping.
I think it's disgraceful that he deletes all the negative comments - so he obviously reads them - but he left a comment saying that was a virtuoso guitar performance. He saw it and was like: Well that one is true. I'm leaving that one!
I commented on a recent post of his with a Bible verse about how lying is a sin,and he totally missed the point and clicked Like on it. 🙄
So much truth in this vid. Thank you
Man, your so right........Ken wants everyone to be Ken, and anyone else isn't good enough.
I don’t know anything about recording music, and I know he’s miming.
Word! And yes, I really love Puddles cover songs!
TH-cam can be weird sometimes.. I've been listening to Deadsoul Tribe for like fifteen years now, and suddenly YT recommends me Devon's video because of this Ken Tamplin fiasco :]]
companies such as data analytica have socially profiled every user on the internet. they target viewers with loaded content. it all came out back around 2016 with the election over in the USA.
Wonderful video. Great to listen to someone speak with a great understanding of how different vocalists express themselves. Having spent a lot of time in recording studios myself, it's always so easy to detect when a performance is mined, and that's in the direction from where the sound comes. I know that for most people who haven't had that experience of recording could easily be fooled into believing that what they believe to be live really isn't, but not for the trained ear. An example of what I'm talking about was wonderfully demonstrated in the performance of Puddles that you played and who I'd never heard of before but instantly loved. But when you watch and listen to this performance every movement he makes around the microphone whilst singing changes the expression of every word, you don't get that when a performance is pre-recorded and mimed to. REN is another artist who very masterfully demonstrates how playing with a real live vocal performance can express a song in a much greater way as he demonstrates in The Tale Of Jenny And Screech, or Hi REN. So thanks for talking the time to do this video and for introducing Puddles Pity Party, I'm a fan now.
Great video🤘🤘🤘
Please exposed this guy Ken Tamplin. He is arrogant and he doesn't deserve all those subscribers he had.
Devon, this was as thoughtfully and genuinely presented as could be. (Your previous take was good, too.) I only discovered you (and subscribed!) because of the whole "I"m not just Ken, I'm the best Ken ever" story via Wings of Pegasus. I just had a look at The Ken's video (12:45 am EST, Oct. 11/24) and interestingly, there are still 462 comments...yet yours is gone, as are the two that were below it. There are now seven more from two years ago instead, like the rest of them. But what's most striking about that video is that anyone can or should so easily see and hear that his singing and playing is not only not live, it's so laughably faked. For a Christian Metal musician, he seems awfully proud of himself. Perhaps the genre is about living just some of the seven sins instead of all of them.
I'm off to join the Puddles Pity Party now!
He reminds me of David Koresh
I have a song about following faith leaders to your doom. It's called "Regret". The first verse is about his cult. The second about Marshall Applewhite and the third about Jim Jones. I will post a (real) live in-the.studio acoustic version shortly.
I can't believe that some people nowadays can accuse you of being too polite, too objective, and not playing it judge enough towards other people!
I think they meant it good-heartedly.
your comment has indeed been deleted. and the latest comment praising his guitar playing and singing is probably one of his many alt accounts where he showers himself with compliments again
I still see it there, but I didn't get my little ❤ reply like everyone else. Maybe he didn't see it yet.
@@devon-graves-studio-D Your comment has been hidden from everyone else but you, so called shadow banning. Go to that video without being logged in and you'll see that it's gone.
@@devon-graves-studio-D he may have hidden your comments - you would see it but no one else can. try opening the page in a private tab.
@@devon-graves-studio-D you see it but it was shadow banned for everybody else by ken. nobody but you can see your comment
Holy sheesh, Psychotic Waltz! Didn't expect to find you amongst the discourse. Didn't know you had a YT channel. Me and my buddies here in Ireland are PW fans. I guess I'm, at the time of writing, your newest subscriber. Hope you're well, man.
Anyone ever notice you never see Devon and Puddles in the same room at the same time?! Hmmmm? 🤔
Truth! 😂
How ironic that the real clown wasn't the one wearing the make-up & pom-poms. First time I've ever seen Ken and within 30 seconds it was plainly obvious it was mimed... I've seen 1st time drag queens with better lip syncing skills than Ken! There's two dead giveaways for me... the "studio mix" sound (with those conveniently balanced harmonies that never over-step his vocal)... and repeatedly missing his cues by a fraction of a second (something I learnt from theatre pros & drag artists indicates a performer who's "chasing" the lip sync instead of matching the vocal performance). It just made the ego in his video description doubly eye-rolling.
And I knew I'd seen Puddles before... I was wracking my brain until you mentioned Primus, that performance was brilliant! I'm excited to track down his 'War Pigs' cover now, I _love_ hearing more classically-trained vocalists like Puddles cover that track. 🤘😎
Watch out, you may find yourself on a Puddles binge! lol
He was on one of those competition shows several years ago. I think it was America's Got Talent, but maybe it was a different show. I don't watch them. Anyway, he was loved, and has had a following since. He's also worked with Post Modern Jukebox quite a bit. I didn't know he appeared with Primus. Now I have to go find it.
Not to mention you would hear some of the picking and strumming of the electric guitar if that mic were turned on.
Good point!
Very eloquently put my friend. Thank you
Much appreciated, my friend!
Great Video Brother. Got the point
Quick test for anyone doubting he’s miming.
Borderline (recorded version)
th-cam.com/video/svj05KRPes4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=BgtNrbgmMVFTLZY7
Paus at 0:54
Open: (”live”-performance)
th-cam.com/video/Irg9zgCpLwE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=GtjMmR_x_ZQQpJVo
Paus at 5:40
Try to play them at the same time.(have on paused and play the other when it’s close to the timestamp)
Now you will get an echo effect, because it’s the same track.(the recorded one) played twice.
Play with volumes.
Want to do a more detailed analysis download the soundtracks import and see them match perfectly :)
I didn't even have to do any pausing. That guitar player is NOT playing that solo live and Ken is lip syncing the crap out of those first lines. Watch his mouth when he sings the word "DANGER ZONE". The singing fades out yet his mouth is still wide open "singing" the word ZONE.
The clown sings magnificently
i actually thought it was Devon
Puddles is great , I really like him . He’s got an amazing voice .
Another great one! Thanks 🙏. But why are you and Fil saying „that’s definitely my last one on this subject“ - why shutting a door while it‘s entertaining as f*^%!? Please do more on it!
What I think is mindblowing is the fact that Ken hangs his being a Christian and a missionary man for Christ while obviously the Bible tells not to lie, to be humble and pne should not exalt oneself and not think too highly of oneself. Ken missed all that obviously!
And why is he always so hyper actively overacting? WTF. That’s not energy that must be some kind of hyperthyroidism (or white powder?)
Man, man, man… phew 😅
But thank you very much on this well crafted video and the mention of the white clown singing - that one is awesome… I‘m gonna check him out on TH-cam!
Keep it up Devon!
I´d much rather see more of Devons creative output, than to have him join in on bashing some guy who has already lost all credibility. No need to keep kicking Ken, in my opinion!
If you enjoy that kind of stuff I´m sure there are other channels out there to scratch that itch.
@@Jonkerz77 😄 You‘ve got a point here and I agree! But sometimes seeing Karma hitting just makes me giggle!
Hey, thanks for the encouragement! I don't have any more to add to the discussion. I deliberately held off on calling him out on his Christianity and the implications thereof, but believe me, it was tempting.
Puddles always leave me with a melancholic smile on my face. He is wonderful! 🙏🏻 Now, there is a real singer, from top to toe. 🎤 Ken Tamplin on the other hand… 😵💫
Possibly stupid technical question regarding Puddles' performance (great singing, btw!): how does he get feedback on how the mic picks up what he's singing? I don't see any in-ears. If there's a studio monitor playing it back, how does he avoid audio feedback?
I was thinking the same thing..
I think he has the piano track playing very lightly in the room and uses it as a guide. He is clearly confident enough in his own vocals to sing it all nearly a capella. I have done this myself, in the past and it worked quite well. Also, it is a little simpler when the music track is less percussive.
That KT video was so lip-synced , pathetically so; besides, purely as a 'track' it was hideous.
Did Ken really state he's better than Prince on guitar???🤣
Oh he’s the best guitarist in the world 🤣 Didn’t you know??
Prince is just ok on guitar! He wasn't an innovator or a virtuoso on guitar!
@@ricomajestic I think everyone can agree that Ken and Prince play on two different levels 😉
I would actually like to hear that myself, do these Videos still exist?
@@danij5055 Well Prince is a great songwriter and ken isn't it. Ken is a guitar shredder if you check his live videos from the 80s and prince is more blues oriented. Prince is not Van Halen or Hendrix and was not a big influence on guitarists!
Puddles is amazing. I have been following him for a decade it seems.
How a guy like Ken can speak so highly of himself, remains a mystery to me! Deep inside, probably a very insecure person! Voila, haha 😂
Your analysis is spot on and pitch perfect in tone and tenor. Anyone who's ever spent time tracking live in a studio or with an intuitive sense of optics and sound would understand any notion that Tamplin's vox/instr performance in that clip isnt lip syncd /mimed is patently absurd..cartoonish levels.
Your comment is already gone 😂😂 they're fast
He even monitors replies to other peoples comments. I tried a few on old posts and they were gone pretty quickly. I wasn't even being rude or anything. Was just pointing some things out. haha .. I guess that's why he puts his little heart on all the comments so he can keep track. hahaha