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One of my fondest memories of D2 (way back before i knew anything and looked stuff up online) was when i found Kuko on nightmare andy or durial i think, and i went from struggling to flying through nightmare and half way through hell. thats my idea of S tier, an item that suddenly drastically changes the game.
I don't usually comment, but I gotta say, this style is fantastic. I wish all other tier videos were this amazing now, maybe remake them if you get the time. Incredible job, MrLlamaSC.
This is much better and kind of wish your other vieos were like this. This was the first tier list video I seen then was like ...why is there no info on the runewords tier list lol
Witchwild string is super super bow. Upgrade it ,put a shael(ias) and a nef(knockback) in it and it can serve you until the ubers,and there you need harmony for revives.
raven claw + sorc enchant is the best level up combo. For me it's a B or A, could almost be S It's also considering how much it brings for a given level. Like you did with other items like Tarnhelm B
I think Witchwild lands in low S tier. It’s the best bow for general farming, I.e. Pits, for a strafe zon IMO. The amp damage procs a LOT on Strafe and the two sockets means it can get high IAS easily
This. Easy to find. Two sockets . Double Shael. Upped. Guaranteed double damage bc of DS and a chance to amp damage! Since I never find Windforce this is my choice bow for dealing with those pesky lightning immunes on my javazon.
Ya, Witchwild or Faith for Strafe, Windforce or Faith for Multishot, that's it really. Goldstrike is NOT a good bow, Amazon Basin did a review of all these bows and DPS a long time ago and Goldstrike is not top tier. Of course, before it is upgraded, Witchwild is not fantastic, its upgraded form is fantastic. Lycander's is okay for any of the elemental arrows. I had to downvote lol And Buriza is absolutely terrible lol
@@viperswhip I agree. Goldstrike arc can't even beat eaglehorn due to its ITD. However, it's not a bad one either. Solid A tier with good stat roll. However, it's not that common tbh.
@@blo5980 Oh, to be sure, I would use it if I never found a Witchwild, but between Amp, which goes off constantly, and deadly strike, people just don't account for the damage, and if you can find a couple 15/40 jewels, you have yourself a bow that rivals Faith imo.
@@viperswhip Thank you. I don't get the Goldstrike love at all. It dropped on classic for me and the Fist of Heavens when it procs locks your other skills alone kills it for me. Eaglehorn and especially WWS need to be in the S tier for sure. WWS is easy to find and gives you great damage + resists all in one. Gives you more flexibility with your other gear. Only downside you can argue is that it requires an Um rune to upgrade and benefits a lot from a socket quest reward. Still, if it drops I know it can be used to breeze through the game and even farm Hell on /players 3
Now this is a n awesome Setup hope we can do a do over using this format Wizendraw is underrated one of the best frostzon budget bow, actually finish the whole game with just that
Wow finished the whole game with it?? Impressive. But I can see it if you can really stack some IAS elsewhere. the slowness of the bow puts me off for sure but honestly it would be really nice for a frostmaiden.
@@MrLlamaSC I dont know why its listed slow in the site maybe its an IAS to a different character I used that bow and its actually very fast, its even comparable to a zephyred hunters bow
Trying to figure out what the theme is behind Demon Machine. With those ridiculously random but always fixed numbers on the stats, it's gotta have some lore behind it.
I agree. It's probably top 5 bow(the rest to me are ice/faith/Melody/windforce) for frozen maiden build in the game, the best poorman bow within that bunch. Consider Frozen Maiden is such a popular bow build in the game, it definitely worth a better spot. Also, I think attack speed is a bit overated for frozen maiden build becoz its just burnt mana to much. It's better to do more dmg per hit then pushing for dps with attack speed. To be clear, with a proper end gmae build,a good attack speed is still in priorty.
@@blo5980 agree. it needs a shael into it, but it's one of the best bow for frostmaiden build for the cold resist reduction. a pure elemental bow build is too mana consuming that top speed bow with + skill points isn't that great, freezing arrow will drain your mana in secondes even with top gears and insight on merc.
Shows me how lucky I was to have found that Kuko bow. I use the gloves which slow target by 25% and give knock-back and socketed it with a perfect skull and nothing gets near me anymore. It’s awesome!
To whoever says Kuko Sakako is not top tier probably never used it... It destroys ...and remember uts lvl 30 bow... I used it from nightmare to completing hell along with Eaglehorn till i got a Windforce
Kuko for me is my favorite bow in the game. You can get it relatively early, clear hell with it, and bridges you to a WF or Faith. The low level requirement sends me over the moon for it because you get a massive boost right away and it can grow with you if you upgrade it.
I found a Kuko a couple months ago, and it was great. I couldn't believe how good it was. Ripped all the way thru NM with it before I found a good base for Harmony rune word. I may try to up the Kuko Shakaku and see if that ends up being stronger than Harmony.
@@nathancjarrett it’s a great weapon for sure! Harmony is bonkers though and Mist is coming for a new fun endgame. Kuko won’t beat most of those but it will tide you over until you get those beautifully.
Back when I was still playing D2, 20 years ago, I used Kuko on every single character from level 33, to level then quickly. One of my favorite items in the game.
This is MUCH MUCH better. İt also makes the experience a lot more interactive with the chat. You should delist the previous videos and remake em all like this with chat
all the explosive arrow bows are really good for powerleveling with enchant since it helps bypass the lack of aoe for alot of classes in their 20s in cows
I love my Kuko Shakaku for my hybrid LF/FA zon. The %pierce seems to stack with the 1 point I have in Pierce so FA goes through literally everything. Great for even solo CS clears. Still stuck on Hell Ancients (as SSF Javazons tend to) but I'm pretty sure it will make short work of WK as well. The +3 and %pierce are a godsend for FA, don't underestimate them!
When I was playing years back, I was never able to find a Windforce (of course, there didn't seem to be any shortage of rare hydra bows dropping for me). I used Goldstrike and then switched to an Eaglehorn once I found it. Both of them worked great. I'm surprised you didn't have Lycander's Aim higher. With the huge boost to skills, it's a great option for pretty much any bowzon. It's also WAY easier to find that either a Windforce or an Eaglehorn.
Is the only downside to bloodraven the Dex req? Like if it was a +4 and 230 ED and you had a ton of gear getting you up to the dex req would it be pretty solid?
I randomly found a Kuko Shakaku this weekend in Act 3 NM as I was practicing leveling a hardcore SSF fury barb for D2R launch after watching MrLlama's melee barb guided playthrough, and I just so happened to have decided to stick with my Act 1 Mercenary from normal. I am not exaggerating when I say she was doing more work than me all the rest of the way through nightmare. When I first noticed her explosive arrow splash damage was chunking enemies, I started getting in the habit of taunting all ranged enemies so they would clump up around me, and she would just annihilate all of them even though she only fired explosive arrows like 40% of the time. Also even though the casting on inner sight is inconsistent, it stacks with battlecry and seems reliable enough when you really need it and feels a lot stronger than blessed aim. I never felt like the lack of holy freeze was a big hindrance to me, even in hell, but I found Goblin Toe off Normal Pindelskin (something like 1:9000 drop chance according to silospen drop calculator) so I was semi-twinked with some other pretty good gear like dual Honor Zweihanders, +3 Battle Orders Lore Runeword Primal Helm, and after 3 attempts got some 10% CB 3% Life leach, 24% Fire Res Vampireskin blood gloves.
Rogues with Fire Arrow synergize with the Exploding Arrow from the bow, so you actually see high damage. Kuko also pierces so yeah. They're really good. I like it with Upped Twitch or Treachery.
Тhere is such a Bowa channel. Its author has been testing bows at the Cow level for a long time and persistently. So, the Upped WitchWild String turned out to be the best in terms of price and quality. He showed the same result with Windforce + Fight, slightly lost to Windforce + Pride, overtook the expensive Mist, Brand. Not to mention all sorts of Upped Lycander Aim, Upped Goldstrike Arch,Eaglehorn. And here it is in line A. This is wrong...
As a bowa main i was pleased when you moved goldstrike back to S tier. Honestly such a fantastic weapon. The 50 IAS is way overlooked. Not to mention when upped to Hydra bow, you're dealing some big damage
4:40 I found the Wizendraw bow with my amazon, and it says that is a very fast attack speed. In fact, it seems really fast for me. This is a bug or this list you are looking is wrong? Also one doubt: I found it in normal act 5. Can I find better versions of it in latter difficulties?
QUESTION: If a Raven claw fires lvl 3 exploding arrow. If put points into exploding arrow synergies does it effect the damage of the lvl3 exploding arrow from the bow? Or does it only do lvl3 exploding arrow damage
I played a 3 player HC run with a frozen arrow bowazon. I dropped Rogues Bow very early, and it ended up being my best option until I dropped a 3 sockets +3 skills amazon bow at lvl 70+, so yeah, its much better than you give it credit for if you are not a physical dmg amazon the very high attack speed + res is all you need in that situation
Maybe I'm wrong, but back in the day we would run EagleHorn over windforce because of IAS caps.. You can boost EagleHorn to a higher attack speed and then dps came out slightly in its favor.
Hey man. Just looked up a bowazon guide after this, and was going to message the author they'd confused weary and wary. Then I was surprised to see it was you! (Then I remembered hearing it on stream once) To say it is not a big deal but that's like a published document... just a heads up, ya know? Wary is to be cautious of, weary is to be tired of. I'm wary of dupes on bnet, and weary of chat bots. Sorry if I seem like an asshole. The tier list videos rock btw. The overlooked aspect here is that its the purple bow. Auto s-tier.
Skystrike way back when I was just a nub, I found one and I ended getting dual manalds from someone and all the sudden I had mama sustain and a now that just crushed it at that level…. It was one of those moments in gaming for me that it really hit me…. People laugh cause they go right over this bow in yearning for Kuko. And yeah Kuko is amazing but that’s what made D2 such a memorable experience for me…. Struggling and then all the sudden getting something that works so well, that lightning damage was huge and then it happened again when I got GoldstrikeArch or w/e. It was wild. Best gaming experience for me. Writing as I watch lol…. Riphook wS one of those bows when used right with all phys was so amazing with strafe. So fun. And this was all circa 99-00’ on USEAST… everyone was like bro, skystrike whaaat?? Get your pink Kuko bro. Took forever for me to actually get that endorphin rush from seeing that unid HYDRA BOW laying m the ground after Pindle popped. So I used Burrito(Buriza) forever it seemed! So many meteorites rushing in. I can’t wait for D2R! Finally getting to Gildstrike Arch…. I was always weird so I was a strafeZon a lot…. This bow was so rad! I also ran the blue set gloves that did these white balls that went out. I forget the name but that was my favorite at that level holding me out before Lycander’s/Burrito mix then into Ohm’d Windy. So for my list for what I always used: Socketed bows Skystrike/rippy Kuko Lycander’s/goldstrike arch (Mav’s sometimes) Burrito until: Windy Then later on BOTD until Faith Minus the rune words later on I could do everything I needed to do with my little list and I usually would try to get them in that order. Usually a strafezon but sometimes multi here and there with some builds. Do any of you remember that feeling of some barb or hydra sorc houng hostile on you and almost killing you but your piercing guided arrows melting digging in and out on them killing them and allowing you to get away??? What an amazing feeling. Though I think they needed it down to two times I thought since it was way op.
Hellrack, is it meant to be a solo bow that can face any immunity? It has physical, fire, cold, and lightning damage on the bow. Is there any other weapon that does all damage types (minus magic)?
Love the new tier list format where we can see all the stats. I feel like Witchwild String should've been higher though. I know the base damage isn't that great, but with scaling deadly strike and proc amp damage you're doing like 4x dam every hit. Plus 2 sockets for more damage or attack speed and upping it to diamond bow. At least for a strafezon it seems like a great bow.
@@MrLlamaSC @ML Best unique bows to "up"..most of us dont have every item in the game (godly gear)..have all but windforce also PLEASE settle this...does IAS mater on strafe? Wonder if Buriza is decent with strafe
I use witchwild string and kuko, and both are the best bows ive had, but got the kuko bow early, so later on it did poor damage, so now im using witchwild string, also for the 40% res.
The new format is great, but you seem to have almost no clue on the use of bows. First of all, any physical bowazon will have 300+ DeX, so DeX requires just don't count, noone cares. Second, there are a lot of bows that have specific purposes like demon machine on a holy fire paladin or an enchantress. Wzendraw is very good with -35% enemy cold res, that's a huge boost for your FA damage. Third, every now has to compare with the runeword Harmony, which gives you some IAS, decent 200% ED and about 300 elemental damage. It costs only a KO rune, so you can always grind it on your play through and it will get the job done if you build it in an elite bow. It's not gonna be amazing, but you can finish the game with it. That being said, Harmony would be B tier, I guess. Any bow worse than it should be lower in rank, which is all but Wind force WWS GSA Eagle demon machine Kuko Wizendraw maybe Lycander's aim
funny you should mention the dex. bowazon was my favorite build when I was playing a lot in 2005 and 2008-2010 and the general consensus at the time was that maxing dex was critical. most of the advice I see now, including from Llama, is to only have enough dex for gear and to pump vitality. this seems to coincide with a decreased dependence in skilled kiting, knockback, passive skills, merc, and valk. One of the things I used to love about these builds is you had to REALLY micro and make sure your merc/valk positioning was on-point. vitality/armor(and to a lesser degree res) were considered useless because you were a complete glass canon/relying on your passives. a lot of the builds I am seeing now are safer.
@@ousha5011 Only a few items have same names in D2 and Dota and no Dota is not old version of HoS, except both being moba games, they are nothing a like, you are wrong.
I find it odd that he's so high on Goldstrike but he was so low on Harmony in his runeword tier list. I have always a Matriarchal Bow Harmony to be an excellent stopgap until you can track down your endgame piece.
THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE ATTACK SPEED ON THE WEBSITE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE NOT CORRECT FOR AMAZON. THIS ATTACK SPEED IS PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER CLASS, NOT THE AMAZON. BOTH CLIFFKILLER AND LYCANDER'S AIM ARE FAST ATTACK SPEED!
Widow maker is S tier, it grants any class guided arrow. It is great in pvp. I use it on a barb filled up with poison charms. Just spam guided arrows and run around.
Just respeced my fire bowazon to physical, and I may have done it too early, and was just about to respec AGAIN into cold/explosive arrow until I realized that I could make a harmony bow- glad I held off on the second respec cuz now I’m like a dang mini gun turret 😅. The best part is I already have an even better 4 socket bow and I’m just one Ko away (and a few pts in strength). So much fun now that I can do Some dmg
The diablo 2 wiki is wrong. Ravenclaw was in the game before 1.10. I'm pretty sure that the old one I have is from 1.09. (The explosion is bugged and is great for levelling new characters).
I love this list but for reference, I'm running Skystrike on my new assassin until Harmony and eventually Faith. So far, I'm more impressed with a speed burst assassin than my bowazon. Not clearing as fast, and an issue with low AR, but work in progress. Skystrike so far is my favorite unique pre-runeword bow.
I also understand that a "correct" or optimal skill layout and stat distribution count as essential variables for success with any of these bows. Work in progress.
I think you slept on raven a bit here. Free explosive, which is nice not messing with mana, added with the ability to focus on synergy. Ive been stuck on it for like 30 levels because nothing compares. And for cows, bruh.
You're right to be hard on bows for attack speed ON AMAZON but what of uses OUTSIDE of firing the bow? Example, Wizendraw. That neg cold resist could help a sorc break immunes in hell at low levels... IF they can somehow get the gear to spoof dex. It wouldnt be useful for long but the advantage of sorc is that they dont need gear to be strong so a throwaway secondary weapon for specific situations could be just what the witch doctor ordered.
There is a video from an other TH-camr out there who tested 8 bows multiple times on chaos runs and measured the clear speed. I don't know who it was but the results were interesting. Faith was obviously nr. 1 with a big margin to Windforce on 2, but almost as good as Windforce was Eaglehorn. The massive attack rating boost is underrated. Goldstrike and Witchwild were somewhere in the middle I guess ... not sure
Found the Video: it's tobe4funas. And Windforce was indeed only 3 seconds faster than Eaglehorn. The ranking is: 1. Faith, 2. Windforce, 3. Eaglehorn, 4. Buriza, 5. Witchwild, 6. Lycanders, 7. Hellrack, 8. Goldstrike (by far - one minute slower than Hellrack) ... oh and everything was upgraded
Hey lama do you think d4 has any chance of success now that we have the absolute Diablo game. I think they should go back to the drawing board and do what d2 does with a twist
since you use raven claw in enchant games to push whatever class to lvl 24 (both classic and lod), i'd put it in b tier. it's something every class uses when you have an enchantress around.
So a fun update now that Sunder Charms are a thing Wizendraw got DRAMATICALLY better. It gets upped and becomes a Freezing Arrow monster. It’s a budget Ice basically and can carry you through a lot of content.
Raven Claw is an A tier for leveling, it gets fire damage added to the explode and can't miss its aoe and is amazing on paladin sorc and any other class with charms
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05:47 Blastbark
29:14 Blood Raven’s Charge
26:23 Buriza-Do Kyanon
12:17 Cliffkiller
27:05 Demon Machine
24:17 Doomslinger
15:57 Eaglehorn
10:13 Endlesshail
14:22 Goldstrike Arch
28:39 Gut Siphon
23:39 Hellcast
05:04 Hellclap
27:42 Hellrack
23:06 Ichorsting
09:20 Kuko Shakaku
24:55 Langer Briser
22:34 Leadcrow
20:59 Lycander’s Aim
13:09 Magewrath
00:32 Pluckeye
25:42 Pus Spitter
01:51 Raven Claw
06:52 Riphook
02:26 Rogue’s Bow
06:22 Skystrike
03:07 Stormstrike
16:52 Widowmaker
17:50 Windforce
11:27 Witchwild String
01:09 Witherstring
03:50 Wizendraw
30:05 Final Tier timestamp
Tiers are subject to change throughout the vid, so check the final Tier timestamp or continue watching the vid after the item’s timestamp.
The couch arrived in two boxes four days early, which was great because we'd just moved into a new house and needed places to sit. My son and I put it together pretty quickly th-cam.com/users/postUgkxitRzxya-XugamYgLwa_2G1gxPg4MCJHa . Another reviewer suggested inserting the seat into the side and I'm glad they did as the instructions weren't clear on that matter. It's incredibly light and slides easily across the wood floor, making it easy to move. It's firm, but comfortable. It will even be great to nap on. I got the gray, which definitely has strong blue undertones, but I'm okay with that.
One of my fondest memories of D2 (way back before i knew anything and looked stuff up online) was when i found Kuko on nightmare andy or durial i think, and i went from struggling to flying through nightmare and half way through hell. thats my idea of S tier, an item that suddenly drastically changes the game.
Many of these bows have had their stats modified in D2R. Mainly their speed has gone up significantly. An updated Tier List would be appreciated :)
I don't usually comment, but I gotta say, this style is fantastic. I wish all other tier videos were this amazing now, maybe remake them if you get the time. Incredible job, MrLlamaSC.
I almost agree. Its really nice. But it'd be a lot of work to improve already great videos 😂
Love that you listened to your community and changed the format. You are one of my fav YTers right now!
So. What about redoing old videos now?
This is much better and kind of wish your other vieos were like this. This was the first tier list video I seen then was like ...why is there no info on the runewords tier list lol
Witchwild string is super super bow. Upgrade it ,put a shael(ias) and a nef(knockback) in it and it can serve you until the ubers,and there you need harmony for revives.
So happy you started including stats! Very excited for the remaster!
raven claw + sorc enchant is the best level up combo. For me it's a B or A, could almost be S
It's also considering how much it brings for a given level. Like you did with other items like Tarnhelm B
It's obvious.he doesn't play hardcore bnet where Ravenclaw is valued super highly for leveling
I think Witchwild lands in low S tier. It’s the best bow for general farming, I.e. Pits, for a strafe zon IMO. The amp damage procs a LOT on Strafe and the two sockets means it can get high IAS easily
This. Easy to find. Two sockets . Double Shael. Upped. Guaranteed double damage bc of DS and a chance to amp damage! Since I never find Windforce this is my choice bow for dealing with those pesky lightning immunes on my javazon.
Ya, Witchwild or Faith for Strafe, Windforce or Faith for Multishot, that's it really. Goldstrike is NOT a good bow, Amazon Basin did a review of all these bows and DPS a long time ago and Goldstrike is not top tier. Of course, before it is upgraded, Witchwild is not fantastic, its upgraded form is fantastic. Lycander's is okay for any of the elemental arrows. I had to downvote lol And Buriza is absolutely terrible lol
@@viperswhip I agree. Goldstrike arc can't even beat eaglehorn due to its ITD. However, it's not a bad one either. Solid A tier with good stat roll. However, it's not that common tbh.
@@blo5980 Oh, to be sure, I would use it if I never found a Witchwild, but between Amp, which goes off constantly, and deadly strike, people just don't account for the damage, and if you can find a couple 15/40 jewels, you have yourself a bow that rivals Faith imo.
@@viperswhip Thank you. I don't get the Goldstrike love at all. It dropped on classic for me and the Fist of Heavens when it procs locks your other skills alone kills it for me. Eaglehorn and especially WWS need to be in the S tier for sure.
WWS is easy to find and gives you great damage + resists all in one. Gives you more flexibility with your other gear. Only downside you can argue is that it requires an Um rune to upgrade and benefits a lot from a socket quest reward. Still, if it drops I know it can be used to breeze through the game and even farm Hell on /players 3
Kuko Shakaku is my fav weapon in the game. For it's level is pretty OP.
Its a great bow. I upped it while I was on my ladder toon a few months ago.
Now this is a n awesome Setup hope we can do a do over using this format
Wizendraw is underrated one of the best frostzon budget bow, actually finish the whole game with just that
Wow finished the whole game with it?? Impressive. But I can see it if you can really stack some IAS elsewhere. the slowness of the bow puts me off for sure but honestly it would be really nice for a frostmaiden.
What are you doing here Skippppppp. Jordon could have solo'ed the game easily.
@@MrLlamaSC I dont know why its listed slow in the site maybe its an IAS to a different character
I used that bow and its actually very fast, its even comparable to a zephyred hunters bow
This is the one I've been waiting for.
Trying to figure out what the theme is behind Demon Machine. With those ridiculously random but always fixed numbers on the stats, it's gotta have some lore behind it.
I think Wizendraw deserves more than C tier. With a shael the ias is okay and the -35 cold is very good for budget frozen arrow build.
I agree. It's probably top 5 bow(the rest to me are ice/faith/Melody/windforce) for frozen maiden build in the game, the best poorman bow within that bunch.
Consider Frozen Maiden is such a popular bow build in the game, it definitely worth a better spot.
Also, I think attack speed is a bit overated for frozen maiden build becoz its just burnt mana to much. It's better to do more dmg per hit then pushing for dps with attack speed.
To be clear, with a proper end gmae build,a good attack speed is still in priorty.
@@blo5980 agree. it needs a shael into it, but it's one of the best bow for frostmaiden build for the cold resist reduction. a pure elemental bow build is too mana consuming that top speed bow with + skill points isn't that great, freezing arrow will drain your mana in secondes even with top gears and insight on merc.
Yeah the speed really puts me off but with proper IAS elsewhere and a shael I could see this being a B+ tier.
@@MrLlamaSC Idk if it’s just D2R or if the stats posted are incorrect (or if AS is variable) but Wizendraw is dropping with FAS
Wow. This video format is sooo much better! 10/10
Shows me how lucky I was to have found that Kuko bow. I use the gloves which slow target by 25% and give knock-back and socketed it with a perfect skull and nothing gets near me anymore. It’s awesome!
Raven claw S tier for hardcore enchantment runs alone. Makes leveling normal a breeze.
exactly my thoughts cows normal is a lot of fun with enchanted raven bow
going trough normal with HC paladin was a blast :D
To whoever says Kuko Sakako is not top tier probably never used it...
It destroys ...and remember uts lvl 30 bow...
I used it from nightmare to completing hell along with Eaglehorn till i got a Windforce
Let's say I was hoping to take witchwild through hell, what would be the best 2 runes or jewels to put in it?
Thank you for listening to the feedback on stats
Great video! I would've loved to see you include the set bows in the mix.
This is much better! Cheers for switching the format as soon as you could.
Kuko for me is my favorite bow in the game. You can get it relatively early, clear hell with it, and bridges you to a WF or Faith. The low level requirement sends me over the moon for it because you get a massive boost right away and it can grow with you if you upgrade it.
this man knows
I found a Kuko a couple months ago, and it was great. I couldn't believe how good it was. Ripped all the way thru NM with it before I found a good base for Harmony rune word. I may try to up the Kuko Shakaku and see if that ends up being stronger than Harmony.
@@nathancjarrett it’s a great weapon for sure! Harmony is bonkers though and Mist is coming for a new fun endgame. Kuko won’t beat most of those but it will tide you over until you get those beautifully.
Back when I was still playing D2, 20 years ago, I used Kuko on every single character from level 33, to level then quickly. One of my favorite items in the game.
This is MUCH MUCH better. İt also makes the experience a lot more interactive with the chat. You should delist the previous videos and remake em all like this with chat
all the explosive arrow bows are really good for powerleveling with enchant since it helps bypass the lack of aoe for alot of classes in their 20s in cows
They're good late game as well because the fire damage from Holy Fire and Enchant actually add to the explosion damage
Any chance you'll make vids with *all weapons* and *all X piece*? How does WF compare to BOTD? etc etc :D
oh gosh that tierlist would be SO big lol
I love my Kuko Shakaku for my hybrid LF/FA zon. The %pierce seems to stack with the 1 point I have in Pierce so FA goes through literally everything. Great for even solo CS clears. Still stuck on Hell Ancients (as SSF Javazons tend to) but I'm pretty sure it will make short work of WK as well. The +3 and %pierce are a godsend for FA, don't underestimate them!
Which build u would prefer with the koku shakaku and it’s ok for nightmare ?
What about considering upping the bows and if they are still worth it then?
I ran the demon machine on a pretty fun enchant sorc with dream helm, dragon armor and a razor tail. It played like a fireball sorc with pierce
When I was playing years back, I was never able to find a Windforce (of course, there didn't seem to be any shortage of rare hydra bows dropping for me). I used Goldstrike and then switched to an Eaglehorn once I found it. Both of them worked great. I'm surprised you didn't have Lycander's Aim higher. With the huge boost to skills, it's a great option for pretty much any bowzon. It's also WAY easier to find that either a Windforce or an Eaglehorn.
Is the only downside to bloodraven the Dex req? Like if it was a +4 and 230 ED and you had a ton of gear getting you up to the dex req would it be pretty solid?
I randomly found a Kuko Shakaku this weekend in Act 3 NM as I was practicing leveling a hardcore SSF fury barb for D2R launch after watching MrLlama's melee barb guided playthrough, and I just so happened to have decided to stick with my Act 1 Mercenary from normal. I am not exaggerating when I say she was doing more work than me all the rest of the way through nightmare. When I first noticed her explosive arrow splash damage was chunking enemies, I started getting in the habit of taunting all ranged enemies so they would clump up around me, and she would just annihilate all of them even though she only fired explosive arrows like 40% of the time. Also even though the casting on inner sight is inconsistent, it stacks with battlecry and seems reliable enough when you really need it and feels a lot stronger than blessed aim. I never felt like the lack of holy freeze was a big hindrance to me, even in hell, but I found Goblin Toe off Normal Pindelskin (something like 1:9000 drop chance according to silospen drop calculator) so I was semi-twinked with some other pretty good gear like dual Honor Zweihanders, +3 Battle Orders Lore Runeword Primal Helm, and after 3 attempts got some 10% CB 3% Life leach, 24% Fire Res Vampireskin blood gloves.
Rogues with Fire Arrow synergize with the Exploding Arrow from the bow, so you actually see high damage. Kuko also pierces so yeah. They're really good.
I like it with Upped Twitch or Treachery.
Not sure if mentioned, but some of these are also excellent wolf druid weapons.
Тhere is such a Bowa channel. Its author has been testing bows at the Cow level for a long time and persistently. So, the Upped WitchWild String turned out to be the best in terms of price and quality. He showed the same result with Windforce + Fight, slightly lost to Windforce + Pride, overtook the expensive Mist, Brand. Not to mention all sorts of Upped Lycander Aim, Upped Goldstrike Arch,Eaglehorn. And here it is in line A. This is wrong...
Ravenclaw S class. Stick on any alt you're leveling on BNET, get someone to chant you, proceed to absolutely melt everything Norm/NM.
As a bowa main i was pleased when you moved goldstrike back to S tier. Honestly such a fantastic weapon. The 50 IAS is way overlooked. Not to mention when upped to Hydra bow, you're dealing some big damage
I like the Kuko, been playing through Hell at a fun pace with it. Cant wait to see what the 2.4 update does for Immo Arrow too
4:40 I found the Wizendraw bow with my amazon, and it says that is a very fast attack speed. In fact, it seems really fast for me. This is a bug or this list you are looking is wrong? Also one doubt: I found it in normal act 5. Can I find better versions of it in latter difficulties?
QUESTION: If a Raven claw fires lvl 3 exploding arrow. If put points into exploding arrow synergies does it effect the damage of the lvl3 exploding arrow from the bow? Or does it only do lvl3 exploding arrow damage
I played a 3 player HC run with a frozen arrow bowazon. I dropped Rogues Bow very early, and it ended up being my best option until I dropped a 3 sockets +3 skills amazon bow at lvl 70+, so yeah, its much better than you give it credit for if you are not a physical dmg amazon
the very high attack speed + res is all you need in that situation
Maybe I'm wrong, but back in the day we would run EagleHorn over windforce because of IAS caps.. You can boost EagleHorn to a higher attack speed and then dps came out slightly in its favor.
Widowmaker is easy S tier, gives any class guided arrow (clutch in PvP) and is the only bow other than Windforce that people actually use end game.
Hey man. Just looked up a bowazon guide after this, and was going to message the author they'd confused weary and wary. Then I was surprised to see it was you! (Then I remembered hearing it on stream once) To say it is not a big deal but that's like a published document... just a heads up, ya know? Wary is to be cautious of, weary is to be tired of. I'm wary of dupes on bnet, and weary of chat bots. Sorry if I seem like an asshole. The tier list videos rock btw. The overlooked aspect here is that its the purple bow. Auto s-tier.
Skystrike way back when I was just a nub, I found one and I ended getting dual manalds from someone and all the sudden I had mama sustain and a now that just crushed it at that level…. It was one of those moments in gaming for me that it really hit me…. People laugh cause they go right over this bow in yearning for Kuko. And yeah Kuko is amazing but that’s what made D2 such a memorable experience for me…. Struggling and then all the sudden getting something that works so well, that lightning damage was huge and then it happened again when I got GoldstrikeArch or w/e. It was wild. Best gaming experience for me.
Writing as I watch lol…. Riphook wS one of those bows when used right with all phys was so amazing with strafe. So fun.
And this was all circa 99-00’ on USEAST… everyone was like bro, skystrike whaaat?? Get your pink Kuko bro.
Took forever for me to actually get that endorphin rush from seeing that unid HYDRA BOW laying m the ground after Pindle popped. So I used Burrito(Buriza) forever it seemed!
So many meteorites rushing in. I can’t wait for D2R!
Finally getting to Gildstrike Arch…. I was always weird so I was a strafeZon a lot…. This bow was so rad! I also ran the blue set gloves that did these white balls that went out. I forget the name but that was my favorite at that level holding me out before Lycander’s/Burrito mix then into Ohm’d Windy.
So for my list for what I always used:
Socketed bows
Skystrike/rippy
Kuko
Lycander’s/goldstrike arch (Mav’s sometimes)
Burrito until:
Windy
Then later on BOTD until Faith
Minus the rune words later on I could do everything I needed to do with my little list and I usually would try to get them in that order. Usually a strafezon but sometimes multi here and there with some builds.
Do any of you remember that feeling of some barb or hydra sorc houng hostile on you and almost killing you but your piercing guided arrows melting digging in and out on them killing them and allowing you to get away??? What an amazing feeling. Though I think they needed it down to two times I thought since it was way op.
Thanks for the new style! ❤
Having the stats helps a lot.
Hellrack, is it meant to be a solo bow that can face any immunity? It has physical, fire, cold, and lightning damage on the bow. Is there any other weapon that does all damage types (minus magic)?
love the longer format
Thank you for listening :) Progressive tier list making is the way to go :)
I like using bows and crossbows on classes other than zon
they're s tier for enchantress even rogues bow does work from ias
@@sicilianmammalian was thinking more on my druid (ranger) and necro hehehe
@@EdgarStyles1234 I made a brandmancer once it was really fun using bow on necro especially with razortail and bonespear axe merc
Love the new tier list format where we can see all the stats. I feel like Witchwild String should've been higher though. I know the base damage isn't that great, but with scaling deadly strike and proc amp damage you're doing like 4x dam every hit. Plus 2 sockets for more damage or attack speed and upping it to diamond bow. At least for a strafezon it seems like a great bow.
I've tried it out in many ways and always been underwhelmed
@@MrLlamaSC @ML Best unique bows to "up"..most of us dont have every item in the game (godly gear)..have all but windforce
also PLEASE settle this...does IAS mater on strafe?
Wonder if Buriza is decent with strafe
I think you should also consider if it is "up worthy"
Just a FYI I dropped a Wizendraw that has fast attack speed
next idea for a speed run. only allowed to use items you deemed as d tier
Amazing style this was great! I loved the other tier lists but this took it to another level
I use witchwild string and kuko, and both are the best bows ive had, but got the kuko bow early, so later on it did poor damage, so now im using witchwild string, also for the 40% res.
The new format is great, but you seem to have almost no clue on the use of bows. First of all, any physical bowazon will have 300+ DeX, so DeX requires just don't count, noone cares.
Second, there are a lot of bows that have specific purposes like demon machine on a holy fire paladin or an enchantress. Wzendraw is very good with -35% enemy cold res, that's a huge boost for your FA damage.
Third, every now has to compare with the runeword Harmony, which gives you some IAS, decent 200% ED and about 300 elemental damage. It costs only a KO rune, so you can always grind it on your play through and it will get the job done if you build it in an elite bow. It's not gonna be amazing, but you can finish the game with it. That being said, Harmony would be B tier, I guess. Any bow worse than it should be lower in rank, which is all but
Wind force
WWS
GSA
Eagle
demon machine
Kuko
Wizendraw
maybe Lycander's aim
funny you should mention the dex. bowazon was my favorite build when I was playing a lot in 2005 and 2008-2010 and the general consensus at the time was that maxing dex was critical. most of the advice I see now, including from Llama, is to only have enough dex for gear and to pump vitality. this seems to coincide with a decreased dependence in skilled kiting, knockback, passive skills, merc, and valk. One of the things I used to love about these builds is you had to REALLY micro and make sure your merc/valk positioning was on-point. vitality/armor(and to a lesser degree res) were considered useless because you were a complete glass canon/relying on your passives. a lot of the builds I am seeing now are safer.
I actually never knew when playing WC3 Dota that a lot of the items are named after items in Diablo 2
yeah, it's the old version of heroes of the storm, there are all heroes from all blizzard univers and so are the items
@@ousha5011 Only a few items have same names in D2 and Dota and no Dota is not old version of HoS, except both being moba games, they are nothing a like, you are wrong.
Which is also why they got renamed in dota2, I still call em by their og names
Found it! Was looking for this video. Def love these style much better
Should color code crossbows from bows different from each other.
Looking forward to your list on spears and javelins :-)
This really goes to show how item balance in D2 is a mess since 1.10. Faith is literally like 10 times better than the best bow on the list here.
Faith isn't *that* big of an upgrade over Windforce
I find it odd that he's so high on Goldstrike but he was so low on Harmony in his runeword tier list. I have always a Matriarchal Bow Harmony to be an excellent stopgap until you can track down your endgame piece.
THE DESCRIPTIONS OF THE ATTACK SPEED ON THE WEBSITE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ARE NOT CORRECT FOR AMAZON. THIS ATTACK SPEED IS PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER CLASS, NOT THE AMAZON. BOTH CLIFFKILLER AND LYCANDER'S AIM ARE FAST ATTACK SPEED!
Did the attack speed change on these bows most of them are fast attack now
Widow maker is S tier, it grants any class guided arrow. It is great in pvp. I use it on a barb filled up with poison charms. Just spam guided arrows and run around.
My Goldstrike arch has "very fast attack speed". Has the bow been buffed? because wiki also says its "slow attack speed"
Thank you very much!
This format is mucb better! thank you
In love with new format and your thoughts
Mostly agree with this list, but my man did _Magewrath_ dirty. Atleast mid-B, really fun leveling weapon for Norm/NM.
Buriza does or doesn't work with Guided arrow in D2R?
Wonder how d2r is gonna handle shared stash ladder reset?
youre wondering wether the ladder stash will roll over to non ladder? yes
@@xz5901 yea but wonder how there going to do im guessing like diablo3 maybe
Just respeced my fire bowazon to physical, and I may have done it too early, and was just about to respec AGAIN into cold/explosive arrow until I realized that I could make a harmony bow- glad I held off on the second respec cuz now I’m like a dang mini gun turret 😅. The best part is I already have an even better 4 socket bow and I’m just one Ko away (and a few pts in strength). So much fun now that I can do Some dmg
Wws Is s tier for hardcore 40 all res alone makes that then 9/3 strafe break point.
The diablo 2 wiki is wrong. Ravenclaw was in the game before 1.10. I'm pretty sure that the old one I have is from 1.09. (The explosion is bugged and is great for levelling new characters).
I love this list but for reference, I'm running Skystrike on my new assassin until Harmony and eventually Faith. So far, I'm more impressed with a speed burst assassin than my bowazon. Not clearing as fast, and an issue with low AR, but work in progress. Skystrike so far is my favorite unique pre-runeword bow.
I also understand that a "correct" or optimal skill layout and stat distribution count as essential variables for success with any of these bows. Work in progress.
I think you slept on raven a bit here. Free explosive, which is nice not messing with mana, added with the ability to focus on synergy. Ive been stuck on it for like 30 levels because nothing compares. And for cows, bruh.
I have the skystrike bow i used my act5 q1on it what do I socket it with ?
I like the new format as it helps understand why something is good or bad.
Raven Claw with chant is so nice. Fav low level bow by far for that reason alone.
Isnt daedly stike double elemental damage as well from lets say explosive arrows????
You're right to be hard on bows for attack speed ON AMAZON but what of uses OUTSIDE of firing the bow? Example, Wizendraw. That neg cold resist could help a sorc break immunes in hell at low levels... IF they can somehow get the gear to spoof dex. It wouldnt be useful for long but the advantage of sorc is that they dont need gear to be strong so a throwaway secondary weapon for specific situations could be just what the witch doctor ordered.
There is a video from an other TH-camr out there who tested 8 bows multiple times on chaos runs and measured the clear speed. I don't know who it was but the results were interesting. Faith was obviously nr. 1 with a big margin to Windforce on 2, but almost as good as Windforce was Eaglehorn. The massive attack rating boost is underrated. Goldstrike and Witchwild were somewhere in the middle I guess ... not sure
Found the Video: it's tobe4funas. And Windforce was indeed only 3 seconds faster than Eaglehorn. The ranking is: 1. Faith, 2. Windforce, 3. Eaglehorn, 4. Buriza, 5. Witchwild, 6. Lycanders, 7. Hellrack, 8. Goldstrike (by far - one minute slower than Hellrack) ... oh and everything was upgraded
Hey lama do you think d4 has any chance of success now that we have the absolute Diablo game.
I think they should go back to the drawing board and do what d2 does with a twist
since you use raven claw in enchant games to push whatever class to lvl 24 (both classic and lod), i'd put it in b tier. it's something every class uses when you have an enchantress around.
I do like you putting goldstrike and skytrike up as high as they are...for their levels they are beast to clear and buriza...so underated. Thanks
Thank you big time for adding the stats!
Wizendraw is A tier, that -35% cold res means you can use lightning Jav on switch
So a fun update now that Sunder Charms are a thing Wizendraw got DRAMATICALLY better. It gets upped and becomes a Freezing Arrow monster. It’s a budget Ice basically and can carry you through a lot of content.
New format is fantastic! Who we need to kill so you can redo old videos? :)
Raven Claw is an A tier for leveling, it gets fire damage added to the explode and can't miss its aoe and is amazing on paladin sorc and any other class with charms
Buriza somehow godly for Mid to High fury druid lol. Somehow hit with hands and crossbow bolts
I am new the D2. I never seen any of these bow :(. Just finished normal at lvl 32. Lol how do I find these? Lol
Llama, that bow gives guided arrow to non-Amazon’s if I remember correctly.
My man is sleeping on Raven's Claw and Demon Machine like he doesn't know how busted they are on Paladins and Sorceresses.
Sorceress?
@@MrLokhe Yes.
Enchant Dorceress with Demon Machine and Razortail is absolutely bonkers.
@@Jvstm By bonkers I suppose you mean "better than expected"? :D
@@MrLokhe I mean. 4-5k with pierce up to 7 times is 28-35k in an AoE at a pretty fast attack speed but sure, dawg 🤷♂️
@@Jvstm I'm just saying if it was like very competitive, it would be more talked about.
I love Enchant though so I'll check it out.
My wizendraw has a very fast attack speed. Given that, what tier would it be in for a frozen bowazon?
A -35% is S tier, the only thing better is Ice runeword.