The INTP Breaking Point: Fi Demon
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Today I discuss the INTP's Fi Demon function and the Superego, including:
Brief overview of the INTP's cognitive functions
Discussion on the Fi Cognitive Function
Fi Demon including how it is activated
The INTP's Superego
Thanks for watching!
1:40 this is the biggest INTP paradox. We make no effort to be part of the group but feel led tour when no effort is made to include us.
💀i hate being an intp.
Exactly
The funny thing is I've gotten better at being more social in my apartment complex, lots of good people, as I go through my undergrad. Buuuuuuut when I make the effort it almost feels like I'm intruding or third wheeling a group of people.
@@jaromsilvester9810 I'm in my 40s. Being friendly and social in small groups comes naturally. I'm usually sociable at work. Ask me to go to a party though and I won't stay for more than an hour or so.
It's a learned thing that most INTPs develop as we age. We are the friendliest of the introverts.
@@jaromsilvester9810 what i dont get is i can be quite popular, yet i dont feel like anyone wants to be actual friends with me :D idk but is this possible that every single person has a feeling sth is wrong with me and to im to be kept in distance? i have no idea maybe they feel the same :D haha i consider myself skilled in soome interpersonal things but i dont know his friendship should work like lmao haha
INTP here. 100% spot-on. If you cross the line or once my patience has finally worn out, just be ready for anything.
I often feel like at any moment I could just break down and destroy everything around me. Now I understand why. Thank you.
understandable
same i have so much pent up and it's killing me
@@tink6225 but you somehow are unable to release the rage fueling inside. Like an engine without an exhaust pipe, filling with so much exhaust it can barley function but still going through the worsening until
@@FireFoxie1345 crazy how it's been a year and essentiay nothing has changed
I snapped a lot as a child, then less frequently as a teen. Now as an adult it is very rare.
I seem to have subconsciously developed the technique of playing out what I would do in my head, as vividly as I like, until the feelings subside.
Same, and then it happened for real. Now I'm not sure this thing as vividly play in mind still work or best strategies. I feel like driving into the edge hill and not caring to stop. It will get better I hope, slowly reminded myself to hit the brake-- only until someone snapping me again and I push the pedal. I will not know anymore after that.
@@someone-vk6gk Just tell yourself “you’re not smart enough to get away with murder” Or just think about all the things that you could lose if you did do it. Those thoughts usually stop me.😅
@@BL00DYR0S31 yeah I do that and then I contemplate how bad is it in jail or getting report to can be. Most not worry, because I'm too lazy in the end. It's just the impulse that can't be predicted that might scare me more.
bro this. As i grew older I became a much more calmer person. But when i was a child i had extreme amounts of rage in me that i never let out onto people. I bottled it up and refocused my brain on learning different crap on TH-cam or google or whatever. When i would be angry in my head id say everything i want to say over and over and over again until i would get tired and just sleep it off. I'm really glad i never let that shit out because i think people would think i was dangerous or something. Today like others said in the comments. My brain is more grown so i process the weight of consequences more seriously and unless my life is in danger or I'm just going to say something not threatening. The demon is not worth letting out.
@@harambe3363yeah same
And only soln i can think of is to play it in your head as many times in as many scenarios. But don't actually do it.
It’s SCARY how accurate this was...It made SO MUCH SENSE. I have definitely done this, but didn’t understand what was happening, just that I felt like I was losing control and slipping into scary emotional territory. Great video!!! Thank you!!
5:48 a lot of INTPs are philosophers they are one of the most common types among philosohy
Good point
Patrick Star is also an INTP... you tell me
@@RainbowRoadCrashTest yeah lets compare a fictional character to a whole archetype.
@@jhinthevirtuoso4886 chill man, it was just a joke
yeah and i totally despise all computer infornatical stuff its literally so boring to me i find this type of intps somewhat childlike, it looks a bit like sensoric thing or maybe like Te idk
If someone is mistreating me, it usually takes a long time before I snap, and my reaction surprises not only everyone around me, but me as well. It is not a good place for me to be. Thankfully, it's rare. People seem to think that we don't have feelings at all, just because we don't wear them on our sleeves. It's absolutely not the case.
I agree with what you said about INFPs. They have a calming effect on me, I like when I get them to open up, as it's pretty hard because of how private they are, but who understands that better than us INTPs? We are very similar and they are definitely my favorite type as well.
I head CS Joseph say that the Joker is probably an ENTP because Se demon "wants to watch the world burn".
I don't think the Joker was witty enough to be an ENTP, but he probably has a better grasp on that. Thanks for watching!
I'm never surprised by my reaction while in the Fi demon mode. I know what I'm capable of and I'm self controlled in those situations. It's probably better to accept this part of yourself and integrate it psychologically. Otherwise, you might make mistakes when the situation gets touch.
@@intpsurvivalguide2473 I wonder if he was an INFP, Joaquin was brilliant in that role and I wonder if he was typcast. It would be so much fun to work as a casting agent.
@@intpsurvivalguide2473 i think he is because the joker say in the movie he have no plan witch is not us more movement types we take years to do something
@@intpsurvivalguide2473 I mean, not all ENTP's make the most clever jokes all the time. He seems to be an ENTP who has lost all hope in humanity and himself.
16:55 "And they can just burn it all down in one fell swoop." That terrifying moment when I realize I've had a moment like this. At the time it wasn't the last straw. It was one big event dropped on top of every little straw I'd collected over many years, and I legit started throwing my important belongings into the fireplace and burning them while telling myself that nothing I'd ever done throughout my entire life mattered. For the next few months I just shut down. Looking back, I know that what happened was essential for my growth. Even now I'm still a bit startled at my response to everything that happened, but because I was alone at the time with no one to judge or "comfort" me, I dont regret it.
I think that during the stone age, INTPs were the ones that took on psychopaths and removed them from a group. An INTP, while in the Fi demon mode, is much worse than a psychopath. I sometimes like to joke about it saying: my favorite victims are psychopaths and narcissists. :))
I have never removed anyone from a group, I just leave the group and others sometimes follow
@@louisejoel I was talking about stone age ppl.
@@adriantomole1019 I'm not convinced we've improved much as a species since then
@@louisejoel I meant that Fi demon will have more room to breath during the stone age. Nowadays, letting your Fi demon do its job could put you in jail.
@@adriantomole1019 Jail in Norway appeals to me
Don't be afraid of some of your functions flipped. The more often you do it, the stronger those functions become, which gives you more control over your life and naturally improves your inferior functions in your normal state.
Not unless you experience the right things while in that path. I did not change for years until finding the accurate provocation, it all felt a waste of time and energy.
Just like anything it can be trained!
Fi isn't an inferior function like Fe that can be strengthened
Fi is a shadow function of the inferior function so it's deep in the unconscious
When I was 24 (INTP) I was in a position of activated ISFP, it caused me to move to an entirely different state and leave my family without much notice. I stayed in this state until my first 3 tiers of Maslow's hierarchy of the needs were met. In retrospect it was the most transformative time of my life, I forced myself out of my own comfort zone and then I squatted for 5 years.
What happened next?
I relate to this as an intp kid with undiagnosed ADHD, who was constantly told that their not good enough by parents and teachers, and then bullied by "friends". This caused me to really be very short-tempered and physically violent as a teen, and only now that iI'malmost 18, and in a much healthier place, I realised that im actually very different then what adults and bullies made me belive, and what a dangerous place i was in as a kid and a younger teen
WOW, it’s like we lived the same life
Logic is an essential part of philosophy. There can be different approaches to philosophy (which may be connected to an either Ti or Fi focus) but most philosophical works I've come by are based on a purely logical analysis of things
Our Rage moments explained, it takes a lot to piss us off, but if you do, we transform into the bully, then our minds go into scorched earth, maybe even violence mode.
Bruce Banner a.k.a Incredible Hulk. You won't like him when he's angry.
As an INTP, I experienced that Super-Ego state very often. As soon as I started to learn MBTI, I mistakenly thought, what my whole unconscious was making me act like a bad ENTJ, so I was thinking it is a good thing, since I wanted to stop being a pushover so bad. But something was off about it. When I started to communicate with not so many, but still some ENTJs, I could see what even at their worst, they made decisions still based on their logic (i guess that wasn't their THE WORST, but still). So basically, while I was entering my ISFP mode, I was rationalizing my wish to kill exact person so hard, so I thought it was coming either from Ti, or from Te-Ni, but that was Fi all along. I couldn't believe I can make my decisions based on emotions at all. Now i see it much clearly. Thank you.
tip: play this at 1.25-1.5 speed
I do that with all videos over 60 seconds lol i guess im just impatient
I put it at 1.25 and the guy in the video now sounds like he is speaking in a normal speed.
Best comment
I slow it down so I can absorb it all and think of everything stated. Or just rewind it and pause.
@@HG-qo9cx hahaha! I thought so too!
This was pretty much all of 2021 for me. It felt like all the nerve endings in my head were exposed and on fire. I obsesivly played video games because it was one of the few things that could distract me from the constant mental pain.
Constantly distracting yourself from yourself. While the world burns.
how did u get out of it? what can someone else say to an INTP in their superego to help them get back to normal with minimal long term damage?
I am going through it RN and it sucks so much it's like something is pulling me down my heart is sinking and I just don't want to be in my shoes I wanna leave but I can't I can't escape it's all so damaging :'(((( any advice for me? Don't give me u will do great advice just true advice
@@Twenty_Nine_Pigeons Read the Kybalion. Master the mental universe.
@@EspritArkitektI had to publicly piss off a certain social aspiration in front of everyone. I could have never said that would heal me.
I sometimes watch 'Joker' a salutary lesson when I can feel the 'demon on the move. I've had a number of islets in my life where I have become inauthentically strong, volatile and dominant, when my stress has hit critical mass. I am on the cusp of such an event right now, so to hear this articulated so succinctly is helping me steer through it.
I have experienced both the slip into the negative behaviors of inaction and the Death loop, which occur slowly, like a frog in a pan of heated water. It happens gradually and you don't really understand you are stuck. I have also experienced the push into the Super Ego, under threat, attack, or when trapped in a hopeless situation, which is sudden and rushes to the surface in a fight-or-flight fashion. I have always referred to it as "Letting the Genie out of the bottle."
I prefer to keep it under lock and key, it is a survival reaction that has no filter.
A few bullies tried to have fun at my expense in the military as I seemed a fun, happy kid: an easy target. They were shocked when people had to pull me off of them and the stream of obscenities spewing hatred at them. Neither tried it again, but my friends never looked at me the same way again either. The frightening thing is the limited lack of control as logic is replaced with focused rage. It is a complete dichotomy and surprised even me when it has happened. It has only happened with males when I felt unable to avoid a conflict and has constrained my social interactions over time. Thankfully, the INTP in me loves the calm solitude.
Do you feel guilty after the rage happens?
@@adriantomole1019 It depends. In both the situations I mentioned; no. At least not with the aggressors..
As with everything in life, sometimes you can’t be the architect. Sometimes you have to be the hammer. I can’t cower from oppression or bullying. I have to stand up for myself. So, I don’t chastise that primal part of my brain that breaks out, but I do keep it on a short leash. It is why I don’t go to bars or drink to excess. That is a high risk environment full of stupid drunks and loudmouths who view fighting as fun; so long as they are in superior numbers.
@@francisco5434 Many INTPs are not that accepting with that negative part and they tend to feel guilty afterwards. I'm in the same boat as you. I don't feel guilty at all because I'm very accepting of this negative part of my personality.
"As an INTP your superego is an ISFP" - Wait a minute. Is it possible my superego is....David Bowie?
Lol that would be cool
Billie Eyelash
I think David Bowie was INFP.
"Ziggy Stardust sucked-up into his ego."
your superego is ISFP in the most demonic way possible ever .. not a healthy lovely isfp
@@andrewswanson4819 Billie Eilish is an ISTP actually. So she has Fi demon as well.
I think the key to deal with this is realizing we are capable of being very destructive and we can hurt other people, so being aware of this is healthy, however acting on it in an uncontrolled manner isn’t. If we are given space to practice expressing our emotions, it becomes easier to channel that “destructive” energy for a good cause, such as protecting ourselves or others in extreme situations.
Use that power and do not let yourself be used by it. By using it as something that's part of yourself, you add to your character and integrate your shadow. By letting yourself be used, you become possessed and destructive both to others and to yourself.
This is so incredibly accurate that I felt uncomfortable, as it very much applies to a situation associated with bad memories for me. When I looked back before, I couldn't understand why I was acting so different from normal in that situation and I hated how irrationally I was acting. I'm glad to have found this video; It will be helpful in the future.
The number one reason of triggering demon is to bully or threaten someone dear to us. Second may be threatening us or our agency. I feel at least a lot of can be furiously protective and an INFP who had INTP husband confirmed that.
Making fun or commenting awkwardness never was issue, unless that "fun" was just a concealed attempt at manipulation and humiliation into submission and warning was not enough.
Yep, I've always been patient and forgiving but there is only one person I can ever say I hated, and that was because he constantly threatened my close friends as well as the band program itself in high school. Also the only guy I ever fought, he was trying to sexually assault my friend. Big political mess because he was the deputy superintendent's baby boy.
true. I'm myself can take a lot of bullying, it hurts, but fine. but if you touch my family member, you won't recognize me
I will have to watch the Joker again but I think a lot of his issues stemmed from his parents. He was never able to break away from the grief. I think an INTP would ultimately work very hard on resolving those issues of rejection but still find it a real battle. At the moment I am feeling very betrayed after what I went through in March 2020 and am definitely going through what you described. It was a situation where everyone was out for themselves. I really don't think much of human beings at the moment but there are some good ones out there and I focus on those.
I always have a problem with finding out role mbti types. As our information is small based... And maybe the writer didnt do a good job....
Are you happy about the few people that anchor you or are you thinking " if i wouldnt have them i could burn the bad ones down?"
@@Timber_Lake That's because the film industry is as secretive as a spy agency, they can't have spoiler alerts going out or they would lose revenue. I'm not vindictive like that, I fantasize about leaving the country I'm in instead. I'm not a fan of corruption but most of the world is.
Thank you for sharing
I would have a very different outlook on people if I was never helped in my life. But I was, multiple times by people who had nothing to gain. So I try to keep in mind that everyone has a little bit of potential when dealing with people.
Actually you saved my life I'm an INTP with a super ego mode activated I'm completely destroyed inside depression and stress it's very hard I'm smoking a lot and Im to close from having cancer and I think the main reason it's because I'm an INTP in a third world society people are not perfect but in a third world society they are not perfect at all they are completely animals they always try to make me look like a silly joke because deep inside their brains they are jealous from my high intelligence thanks a lot you are really saving lives you are my hero
Hang in there bud
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I m INTP and lived in a third world country. The masses there treated me horribly. They love Americans in their culture, but distrusted and looked down on me. I did eventuslly, after two years, find a good person to stay with, a Real Christian. Overall, I never want to even visit that country.
@@greenlimabean what is the name of the country
@@zagraba3293 Costa Rica , country side
The timeliness of this video as it pertains to my life, and my current situation, is irrefragable. I'm an INTP that is just separated from his ISFJ wife a couple months ago. A long sorted tale, and an injunction later, I find myself humbled by the perspicacity contained herein. Had I only known this, or seeing this maybe 2 months ago, I might be in a different situation right now. Put it mildly, I went crazy. It was quite literally and out of body experience, as I saw myself doing things that made no sense and we're totally out of character, but nonetheless, I was powerless to stop. I have a bent toward being rather vituperative when I get angry, but it always comes out in a very eloquently written email. They're horribly mean, but in my opinion are some of the finest prose you'll never come across. But this was something else. Talk about being backed in the corner, that was me. I will say, however, that I think there's a hybrid means by which we get pushed into the superego. When you're in a long-term relationship as an INTP, and it's broken off, you feel like, because of your social awkwardness, you'll never find anybody again. This is the second part being played out first. This, however, leads to the first part which is the intractable problem. So first my insecurity for being able to find a new mate is activated as I'm ostracized from my limited, but significant, peer group. Then, comes a situation where this simply can't be solved by logic. I begin to spin. Over the last 2 months I lost 48 lbs, and had at least 20 totally sleepless nights, many two and three nights in a row. The nights I did get sleep, it was scarcely more than two or three hours. I was not in a good place. I'm still not in a good place. I feel like I'm beginning to come out, but it takes the slightest gust of emotional disturbance to push me right back into it. It's uncomfortable, disconcerting, and downright frightening. I also have the unfortunate circumstance of being a bodybuilder, and I've been told a number of times that I intimidate people. I'm certainly no shrinking violet. There is no doubt in my mind that those I've loved the most in my life have feared me the most recently. Thank you for this video. I will try to use it to pull myself out of this dark hole.
I was in the same position as you. Two years ago I had to leave my toxic abusive esfj partner, I went through the exact same thing as you . I can say now I'm in a much better position , I've evolved into a much better , wiser and healthier intp. Don't give up there is light at the end of the tunnel.
@@akazicool87 thanks
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you are starting to come out of this dark space. I had a very similar situation happen with me when I got a divorce (she was also and ISFJ). However I look back now and it was a great thing for me. Really made me stop and reassess my life and how I can live better. I have found a new girlfriend and we are doing great. Hope it works out for you!
Try to get a women who doesn't have SI NE in their function stack NE SI and NI SE go well together it's one of the reasons NTJs are such a good match for us also ESFPs can be great partners too
Hey hope you get through this and I'm an INTP bodybuilder too and the intimidation part is absolutely correct, it seems that insecure people are intimidated, but funny enough it attracts strong minded people too, so you still have a chance at finding a mate, just keep your mental, emotional and physical in order and keep evolving.
What's interesting though is that INTP's shadow functions in the same stack makes them ENTJ when they're in a [stressed out mode], yet have calmed down from the ISFP [rage mode].
But rather than an ENTJ bulldogging or getting mad at someone for being inefficient or incompetent, because their inferior Fi function doesn't care about the other person's feeling if they get in the way of their goal/objective; an INTP will turn into an ENTJ that sees the other person as morally evil because they've violated their demon Fi's code of ethics/morals/principles/values.
They'll hate the other persona almost to the point of zealousness, and come up with a creative master plan as to how to take this person down. I know I've brought out my ENTJ side when my landlord was trying to hustle $100 bucks from my security deposit. I became a straight up lawyer overnight looking up Arizona housing laws. lol
when someone wakes me up early i consider them filthy mmeaningless and their very being less valuable than an hour taken off my sleep lol
@@michaelhighlights1614 hahaha that's hilarious. I can relate
i only go into this scary violent feeling when it comes to supposed leaders overstepping boundaries continuously. I must admit as they continually fly off the rail there's a direct correlation to me wanting to utterly destroy their very being whether that be mentally putting them in their place or physically wanting to remove them knowing damn well I can. Authority figures are my mortal enemy because for some reason they think they are above the human experience and I will happily remind them how human they are for my own sanity and the people around them to afraid to really do anything but gossip.
And they always fall and realize maybe not who the real monster is but as monstrous as you want to be. I will match you and god forbid I want to overtake you.
A bit worked up typing that just thinking about those times. You feel powerful. The idea you can do anything you set your mind to becomes more real than what most people think when it comes to those words. Anything is absolutely anything. Evil included.
I think the real strength is realizing you have this pattern of thinking in general(impossible being possible). In which if you are pushed you will become the impossible version of yourself. I realize this and so I don't try to make friends with authority. I pay them no attention because they are the type of people to want to flex that authority as soon as you meet them. And given I pay no mind to false gods they have this idea that they have consumed me and will keep consuming until I explode and really reveal that they've done nothing but be a prick in my spine that needs to be eliminated swiftly now. And I will gladly be the one to do it if so needs be by any means necessary.
But yes feels like I'm turning into the hulk. And when I calm down I feel shaken. It's like wow what have I done. Look at what I've shown.
But the instances that it has happen it was private for the most part. I have no regrets for what I said or did. They can rot for all I care.
As an ISFP i remember times where i took on INTP. I would get soo angry with people who was hurting my feelings and violating my values (honesty and loyalty) that i would lose my empathy and sometimes i even become condescending and critical. I also stop feeling human.
That last part sounds like me when others when they describe me. I don’t even do it consciously.
Did it work? Do you still have that card in your pocket unchanged?
The feeling you get when you realize ISFP's worst moments are your every day existence. Just kidding, I don't feel anything.
@@zacfromArkansas check deep down. INTPs are one of the most sensitive types. You‘re just covering it up with your Ti and Ne
I really want to thank you for this and all the videos you make. They have been of immense help to me, far more than words can express. I was in this dark place last year after passing through that threshold of discovery common to us all: the realization that humans are fundamentally illogical. As we set ourselves on fire while a disease ran rampant and things that should never have been politicized became politicized amidst the sanctity of information being compromised in so many different ways I decided that everyone was evil. The whole world was evil, everyone was evil, illogical, and stupid, and since it was all so hopeless why should I stay here with them? It's been a long climb out of that but I'm armed with therapy, medicine, and a user manual to myself as an INTP. Thank you for being a large contributor to my personal growth. Thank you so much. Keep doing what you're doing because it is amazing work.
I have experienced this a few times in my life. The one that bears the closest resemblance to what you've described here was when my older brother mocked me at a New Year's Party at a friends house, in front of my friends. I walked around the block a few times. I was quite drunk and stoned. But I was in a state of rage. And when I arrived back I flew at my brother and started fighting him in a rage. I was totally out of control. They pulled us apart and I went home. But that fight seemed to inspire mini fights all evening and the New Years Party degenerated into chaos after I left. It was a very bad scene. It did feel like I was a different person. Something just switched inside me. It was very close to what you have described.
What happened after that? How is the relationship now?
@@nikitimmermans that was years ago. We're in different countries. I haven't seen my brother since 2006. It was just a moment of loss of control which is a scary thing. It doesn't happen often.
Well, it does happen often, to be honest. It happens every couple of years. But seldom leads to a physical altercation. Often it's a fail out by email.
Your content seriously is so amazing. Keep it up. You give me the perspectives I need that are very hard to find. So glad I found your channel!
I have totally went down that path in my life. Very insightful! I've just started learning more about cognitive types and your content is very good! Thanks!
Thank you so much for this video . this is really underrated topic that not every body talks about
Victor Gulenko, the inventor(maybe?) of socionics, recommended that INTPs should develop their Fi earlier than other functions. I think he recommended 2nd after Ti or 3rd after Ti & Ne.
How did he recommend the development of the Fi function?
How do you develop any of these functions?
@@BigEvan96 Read 8 keys of self leadership by Dario Nardi
Please link
@@t.a.4356 I think it was mentioned in an youtube video. There was also an article or transcript of the video. I don't have a more precise reference.
Been there, this finally explains a lot. I had quit my degree in final year and I utterly regret it to this day. But I did build everything back up, I lost some precious time. So this explains a lot of my behavior in the past.
Thanks for watching!
I did the same thing and there is no day I regret my decision.
@@stelleldir Same here, no regrets.
I'm in this phase right now and it's absolutely horrifying. I never knew I can become so violent and I'm truly scared of myself... I've been trying to get out of this situation for all the pandemic, with no success so far. But your video is truly insightful! It's really good to know all this stuff, so thank you! This is truly a survival guide!
Why do you stay in this negative, superego driven state?
@@adriantomole1019 it's not easy to develop your shadow dude, not easy, and then comes an Fi demon out of undeveloped unconscious ENTJ functions (the 8th function). by doing that you just become like ENTJ and basically.. that's not the right thing. You need to develop a balanced personality if you want it that way, and to do this you need to work a lot, A LOT to make these functions work as you want them to
Fi demon is from an ENTJ shadow of an INTP, but when the demon activates it's ISFP superego... So...basically, to figure this out you need to work at your feelings kind of, your Ni that is always in your unconscious that you just are not in full control of... It's not just ISFP superego, but ENTJ side too, so you need to balance all the functions , or at least some of them
Balancing them is not easy, balancing your personality is a difficult part of your life to figure out your problems and fixing them, which is not what the majority of the INTPs is fully capable of at the moment, but can do with "pushing the right buttons".
This is especially true for me, I'm good at keeping everything down but once I back into a corner the least I will do is aggressively complain. For instance, I was playing Coup with a few cousins, age 14 and 16. I'm a very patient person but eventually the two of them ganging up on me where I had no chance and mocking me because I kept losing (and especially not letting me get a single sentence in) drove me to not only start throwing things at them but if I hadn't walked outside and sat in my car I honestly think I would have hospitalized the older one at the very least. I was terrified of myself. Another way to explain it is through cognitive dissonance, but that's a different topic.
I've found that music really does calm the Savage beast, I'm a music major so when I practice I calm down and collect myself, or just sing along to Sweeney Todd (with Angela Lansbury) in my car, specifically "Epiphany". Wonder if he would be the same type... Though I'm not sure about the P.
Lmaooooo exactly
Holy crap. How can you be so accurate?
Usually it is hard to anger me, but once I hit the breaking point...
Thank you for giving advice on how to get out of that. My little brother is a toxic little guy. He always makes fun of me and tries to embarrass me. Usually I can handle it. He's just a kid after all. But if I'm in a sort of bad mood or am kind of having a bad day, I can hit that breaking point. I just want to punch his stupid, little face in and yell at him and make sure he learns to never mess with me again. (Sorry. That was violent.) Thankfully, logic kicks in and I do nothing more serious than push him and maybe call him a name. I feel like that can also happen with other people too, especially, like you said, when I'm embarrassed in front of people I respect. Usually I reach that point if I'm tired or I have been having an off day. I feel like that also happens when I get in trouble with my parents. (I'm not that young. I'm graduating school soon. But you may now what it's like when living with your family.) I feel like I'm talked down to and not just talked too. They say they are not, but I feel like they really are. Also, I have a stone face and say nothing when they are lecturing me, and that doesn't help because they make their own assumptions and assessments of my feelings and intentions, and they are almost always wrong! It really annoys me, and when I try to say something back and what I really think, they get mad at me and say I'm talking back. Although it doesn't really help that by that time I've gotten so mad that it comes out as angry and contridictory. I've just gotten to where I stay quiet and go along with whatever they're saying so that they end faster. My parents get annoyed and always say I'm shutting down and want me to talk to them back, when they have already been shutting me down when I do that! It is just a situation that makes me very mad. I just want them to quit and leave me alone. I get the point!
At this point, I am just venting. It's very nice to let it out and I actually feel kind of better. If you actually read this through, anybody, could you give me advice, or type "orange" in reply. Also thank you for reading.
If you are someone who knows me, ignore this. I obviously would never say this to you in real life.
And I thought I would type a short paragraph.
@@ninjacatkarlasanders2338 i can totally relate to you
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oh my god i go through this exact thing with my mom as an intp. so many detailed imaginary acts, it feels not too bad to sday i almost punched her when she was scapegoating me for her issues and family problems... Yeaaa, this ISF superego confirms my intp classification
Orange 😊
This is crazy how accurate this is. I've been there several times in my life & never really understood it until you just described it perfectly.
The Superego can also be good, endearing, and even angelic. It can come out when your inhibitions are low or when you are super comfortable with someone.
i just wanna say thank you, at least now i know what’s going on in myself ‘cause lately i’ve been so confused and depressed about how complex and complicated my thoughts and feelings, now that i watched this video everything just make a lot more sense and i can actually move on and try to get back on track, thanks man
5:42 INTP is also a very philosophical type.
Happy to find your channel , BIG UP
this was very helpful and easy to digest, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
i find it really interesting how we still know we have a conciousness and free will but somehow
feels like all our actions are predetermined with how accurate this is
I'm an infp. Thanks for the shoutout. Sending you some love brother.
Thank you! I love your type
This is accurate. In my experience going Hulk mode makes some people understand not to mess with you, for all the others it doesn't matter what you do. I don't remember the Joker portrayed by Joaquin Phoenix being relatable in any way, except for what he says at the end "you get what you deserve" , but i suppose everybody can understand that scenario, since we all have breaking points. Cheers
Just recently found your stuff, love it
Glad to hear it!
This video completely explained my situation with someone who made a personal attack on me during a debate when they could no longer make an argument in defense
I am glad I found this video.
A few years back I was living alone from my parents with them occasionally visiting me. I used to chat with my cousins who were guys and my father happened to think that I am chatting with some random guy (my dad is an enfj). He said that I might be having relationships in secret and things eeally hurt me back then, because having a relationship in secret was the last thing I could think of.
So, I guess I had this demon mode activated and went all my way out to have a relationship in secret with the thought that- 'if you blame me for something I didn't do, then I'll accept the blame after doing it'.
Now i regret every part of that action. These days, I do get angry and temporarily become angry and stuff, but I have learned to push that limit forwards so that i don't hurt myself and people around me.
I've started making mental notes of the most illogical things that come to my mind when i am angry and tackling it with logical 'what ifs'.
I wish I had known myself a little more a few years back....
That is a big mantra for INTPs "if I do the time I might as well do the crime." I know you may feel bad about that but you really shouldn't.
Ah yes if I do the time might as well do the crime.
It also clearly happened again when I was retrenched in a very sudden and thoughtless way by a company I worked with. I went berserk verbally in ways that very surprising to me I totally switched again. There was no violence, but there was an extreme reaction.
Nicely done. Definitely been there once or twice.
Thank you for your insight, I learned more about myself from this video.
Worries me how much I connected with your description of the Fi Demon. I can think of instances in my life where I've basically entered attack mode and made it my personal mission to destroy someone who has caused me harm or hurt someone I care about. I become so unreasoning and stubborn and tbh...it scares me. I always do my best to manage and control my emotional responses but when I hit my breaking point, I crack. And it's not fun for anyone.
From a fellow INTP, your videos are brilliant.
This video is THE golden piece of puzzle i was looking for. And first of all , i want to really thank you. Despite the fact i did many MBTI tests and i always came out as INTP , i could never explain what the fuck is this angry/crazy side of me. 99% of the time im totally chill and friendly or grumpy. But i had some situations when things got out of my control , and that side of me took over. And it's not funny at all , cuz in that mode " we are gonna die together if that would solve my problem with you". Man , thanx for the advice... perhaps the best thing would be to retreat and wait for things to cool down next time it happens.
Having a childish father and only deaf ears for me to ask for help, I feel like I cant stop thinking of all the harm and bad things that I could have done to prevent future stress and pain. To this day it is something that he existing can make me go there. It's scary and I became cold and very hard with time. Your video keeps giving me clarity about myself, and a lot of closure about interactions that made me give up a lot. And having ADHD, I can only remember some of those times.
Great video.
This was so spot on it’s like you were peeking into my life. I’ve said many times that I can take a lot of beatings but watch out because that one too many will be devastating.
In a different way, I recently had an fi moment that cost a friendship. I was afraid of losing the friendship so I emoted trying to fix a mistake I had made. I think that’s what actually ended it. I seemed like a love sick crazy person. I’m married, he was male I female. I wast “in love” it just seemed that way
Great analysis.
Its interesting if INTPs do the demon function many many times without noticing it...specifically starting from Childhood.
INTP female here. I have a very bad - almost physical reaction to narcissists. Anyway, revenge plans start to generate and things happen.
I am at this point of my life where I feel mad...
So I randomly searched through TH-cam and found this video where it exactly explained what I was feeling...
So here's the thing, with all the activities and schoolworks I have on my plate right now, we suddenly have to prepare a performance for Music, and it was not helping that all my teammates are depending on me JUST because I am the leader.. I am not even the main leader.. I'm just an assistant leader and that useless leader is depending on me too?!.. that is the main reason I only choes to be the assistant leader, so that I won't have heavy responsibilities!! Because I have a lot to prepare for.. I have to literally prepare for a robotics program that I'm going to attend, and figure the fudge out how to grow a plant in 2 damn weeks for a grade.. AND THEN I just find out that the entitled leader from the other group TOOK 2 of my members... Without consulting me, She just went and stole my members and said that she got our teachers permission!.. I only got to know of that AFTER it was all done!... So I ditched school today..I didn't care if my members are struggling or my co-leader is struggling...or if we had to pass important projects today.. I didn't care...
I feel lost..
I need advice
The world sucks, get use to it. Most people out there run on emotion and this is frustrating because emotions can flip for no particular reason. But logical and reason based people will only feel better when things really start to make sense... which hardly ever happens, especially when dealing with a group of people larger than 2.
i felt my heart rate accelerate, breathing hitch and eyes tear up as the video progressed. It reminded me of all the worst emotions and outbursts i have had in these past two years. Everything was so on point. I don't want to be around my close ones when im like this at all. Objectively speaking, no amount of self control can hold me back at that point. The worst part is the amount of AGONY i feel before, during and after the outburst. I demonise the situation, the people, and of course, myself. Its like living through your worst nightmare.e outburst.
My Fi destroys my life.
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I may be one of the seldom INTPs whos Se is not so bad developed when confronted but then Fi or Fe or both kick in and I can become too aggressive. When I was a child that was not the case and I shied away from all confrontations. I find it very difficult to cope with that.
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Also I am a very philosophical person and believe that a lot of types can be like that in their own way. Especially Ne types. And another criticism from me. We may be not be Fi authentic, because I believe we often just do not know how we feel or how to express it, but we are very Ti authentic. I also love INFPs. We are all individuals in the end and I can relate to all what you say but sometimes dramatic things in life can change you. Sadly mostly to the worse in my experience.
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Damn you nailed it so hard with the Demon that it shook me to my core.
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Yes when someone tries to push me around my inner ISFP comes out and is ready to destroy. Interesting is that the bully sometimes notice that I somehow have a total switch and backs down because they notice that this will not end well. In this situation I am fearless even when I am naturally a very neurotic person. The sad thing is that I became used to it which hurts me. This haunts me. I met too many bad people in my life and I can not deal with it. And yes I also feel like they are not just bad for me but for everyone else and I can not have that.
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I can see the Joker in me.
Thank you for sharing!
"All It Takes Is One Bad Day To Reduce The Sanest Man Alive To Lunacy." ~ The Joker
I am definitely authentic! Authentic Leadership is my style of leadership.
Got out of a breakup nearly two months ago and this topic discussed, has been my Mode-operandi for that amount of time.
I've quite literally lost my mind and sense of self over this breakup an turned into a manic. We don't do well by operating on an underdeveloped framework (emotions). It's like trying to run a Toyota Camry on diesel fuel.
OMG i'm an INTP and i LOVE this video .. just crazy how accurate this is .. and the joker reference .. wow man
Maybe it's an INTP thing or maybe I'm not even an INTP, or maybe I'm naive, but does anyone else think they can detect if another person is being authentic with eye contact and a ten second conversation?
The FI demon makes sense. I instantly thought of how some coworkers confess to me they are afraid they'll be fired, and I will tell them they should be because it will be good for them and the organization to not have them around. Or, I will reason in my mind why it should be legal to destroy someone's car illegally parked. The thoughts go from simple things like the prior mentioned, to justifying that some people should be eliminated if they make too much noise because it shows a lack of consideration for those around them and low intelligence making them a hazard for society or how people who drive slow on highways should be eliminated because their overly cautious habits means they will hesitate when the time comes for action and they will be a hazard to the group.
I appreciate this. Thanks.
I've always considered myself the anti-bully. I'd battle to the death, even if the bully wasn't my own. Now I understand why. Thanks man I love you!
INTP's are like lions, they observe their prey (people around them) and look for their weaknesses and if their prey looks at their weakest (when people push the INTP too far), the INTP will attack fast and hard, without thinking about the consequences.
Now, you said that INTP's might start screaming/yelling or even get physical and I personally don't think that would be the case.
INTP's would use the knowledge they have from observing their "prey" to hurt it mentally and not so much physically.
And when they do hurt them mentally, they have the ability to do it to a point where their "prey" is completely broken.
I personally have never been pushed to the point where I started acting radical BUT I've been really close to that point and even tho I was still thinking logically, I kept thinking about how to ruin the life of the person that pushed me that far.
So again I've never been past that point but i believe that an INTP would attack mentally and not so much physically.
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Pretty dark and heavy shit if you ask me haha
Actually no, i changed my mind after watching the end of the video where you talked about the joker.
I guess that i just cant imagine myself doing something radical without thinking about it for days, weeks or even months.
This is correct. I was pushed to that point. A really dark time in my life.
I've been here for a while now. Almost total disregard for others' feelings at times and anger. Can't seem to think myself out of this one. Thank-you for this video as it helps me identify what's going on. I hope to escape this possession of the ego.
Try the following: 1) avoid triggering people or try consciously to laugh at them if you can't avoid them 2) focus as much as you can on a new project 3) make a few revenge plans but do not put them into practice right away, only in a couple of years
@@adriantomole1019 ha! Sound advice.
I definitely have reached that point. I can recall two events.
first is a bit of a lash out but not physically but verbally. Someone was convincing everybody of what I wasnt doing and I WAS THERE. they were outright judging my motives and intentions which was clearly not the case in my mind. So, I shouted out of anger (Fi) everybody was quiet i was about to cry.. It felt weirdly unfamiliar and i wasnt in control.
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second was depths of hell depression. i (Ni) planned on how i was going to do IT. i said tomorrow at x time i will go out, go to this x place and (Fi) yeet myself. so the day before, i had the bag ready for my needs in order to carry out the ritual; money, my phone, materials for note,. so because the plan was to (Te) execute it tomorrow, there was a sleeping time. so i slept. waking up, it felt weird that i had planned all of that.
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These two scenarios i remembered whilest watching this vid. I laughed at how accurate this was. and I also idk, cringe and curious at myself now looking back at it.
Damn I wish I had this video a year ago . It’s so insanely incredibly hard to make me mad but once I am dumpster fire. I could never wrap my brain around where it came from. Makes so much sense. 😭😭😭 thanks for this. It’s so valuable.
Great video thanks
Thanks for watching!
So this is why I feel like an Fi dom.
Thank you for the video
There are some people that I hate with all my soul at work. I caught them calling me autistic and making fun of my poor social skills. My biggest pleasure is to let my rage loose and be brutal with those kind of people. But I know it will eventually make it worse.
If they do see you. But why don't you just assume they are the really weak ones to such techniques? Try flipping that omelette, it works for me.
Warning: they might be the ones getting mad for real. Not that I want you discouraged about this, either
Thank you.
My opinion is the joker underwent a transformation whereas my understanding of Fi demon is that it is more temporary and there is eventually a reversion to the more standard mode. But its a good analogy. It's fiction after all, so not the real thing, but a good analogy.
Very nice
Ty for the video saved n explained alot
definitley gone into this. im scared of myself if whn i go into this mode but it takes A LOT of pushing me. definitley been there tho, it’s like my logic goes out the window, pretty rare though
Drugs and alcohol have had me living constantly on the edge of my superego for a long time. Now that I don't indulge very often, I find myself unable to interact with many of the people I had come to know as, "friends". This unfortunate consequence of my sobriety isn't something I can honestly say I believe to be a detriment... I even divorced my wife during this process, which was an absolute necessity. My superego craves reckless abandon, and I will continue to feed that part of my soul in a more HEALTHY way... But I know now that I can't let it rule me, or that part of my character will surely be my destruction.
Sometimes the Superego is there to protect you, but using it too much can bring some dire consequences. We are not good at making decisions based on feelings, its just not how we are built. I hope you find success and happiness with your sobriety
The Joke is an NTP but an ENTP who got stuck in the Entertainer ESFP superego. There is similarities in the types.
When you spoke about the need to fight back when the demon is activated I think it can play out in other ways. If you apply polyvagal theory it's fight, flight or freeze. When my Fi demon was triggered I froze and got super stuck.
Signs you know your an INTP. You write a long ass paragraph and then delete it. And leave this as your comment.
It's the Abraham Lincoln in you.
I can see how you can describe that persona as ISFJ or the adventurer because I can recall becoming very bold in those moments, fearless in a way, reckless to all consequences.
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Wow, I've always been like this, it's always been extremely difficult for me to lose my reason and get very angry, it always took a long time and very few people managed to push me to the breaking point, but when it happens, when someone throws me against the wall or does something like that I usually either cut the person out of my life 100% (and usually get mad if my friends don't do the same) or else I act really bad towards the person. After learning a lot, I now know that when I 'turn' I need to isolate myself until it pass because I will regret it later.
My family always said that even the way I looked when I was angry was scary.
Do more intp videos bro we need your guidance !!
When he says "this thing must be eliminated" it is exactly what it means. This thing/person is evil and should not exist. That is the thought process.
Pumped up kicks is playing softly in the mind of the INTP and he is fighting it.
Intp here.. bruh 100% accurate. One time this girl manipulated me to make me feel and portrayed that I am the problem. She made it so logical using our relationship's history and doing it in a public place when I feel so awkward to express... I hated my self so much I almost ended my life.
I agree, I find INFP's very calming.
In terms of "Great Scientist" vs "Great Philosophers"
I always posting my thought and discuss it to NT groups and facebook to confirm that this idea exist (which it is not the case but worth discussing). So, it is an experiment of thoughts, twisitng facts and opinions.
Never watched a more relatable video omg…
The reference to The Joker from Batman is apt!
The ISFP is also known as The Artist, which would describe the attitude of a clown - performing a self-styled art-of-humor.
As an INTP myself, I can relate to the crazy, adventurous, free-styling attack-mode of my/our ISFP super-ego, as it something I feel is the lowest level of the Four Sides Of The Mind, (reference to C.S.Joseph)....
Good video
I'm an INFP, but I really don't even know what I want or stand for. Savior Fi leads me to perform a lot of introspection. But instead of finding answers, I often end up changing direction to try some other path. I have to test all possibilities. I'm often dishonest because the truth itself is such a limiting factor, and I don't want to upset others.
I've also heard of the Joker as an ENTP stuck in his ESFP superego.