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Yeah, it seems like any legendary pulse rifle would be better than this. My Coiled Hiss 1919 has better perks, for the same damage in PvP, PvE I don't know its damage, but I got it from the free legendary from Bungie. It has Spray and Play, Single Point Sling/Field Scout/snapshot, and Glass Half Full
VoG weapons need some cosmetic rework to look more thematic like the CE weapons do. Make them vex-colored with some holograms and translucent parts. Just a random idea.
I thought the same thing but if you take a close look to them, they all have this futuristic/mechanic look with red lights and metal plates all over it
If u max this weapon out and get the added stability then this is a good weapon. now when u 1st get the weapon it sucks it really does cuz I knw that it takes like 4 or more rounds to down someone in pvp but this is a RAID weapon.
don't know why are people looking for an equivalent of a gun that's in a different game. that's like me going and using the awp in CS:GO and complaining that it isn't like a sniper in TF2.
given they were both developed by valve? and the same people were used to create the online hub and most were used for weapon designs along with user created content being added.
For the most part I can't stand any of the pulse rifles, none of them have enough impact to warrant using them. Plus if you have Ice Breaker you can destroy a Knight's shield with one shot and lay into him with the rest of the mag and kill him pretty quick making the perk on the Oversoul pointless.
its hard to fix them, because they would become one burst kills on the crucible. the way they are now in pve is just not practical at all, even the red death just at patrol kind of sucks.
You are so wrong man this weapon is a beast in PvP I love this weapon and I play with it all the time while running rumble.You can check out some of my games on the destiny app Cog Skillz
You guys should review the vault of glass raid weapons. Just a recommendation for any beginners that watch your channel. Since vault of glass is the first raid the newest players are going to be doing.
"…that's the problem with pulse rifles, they're all pretty bad…" What are you on about? Why does everyone dislike pulse rifles? It's not spray 'n' pray like an suto rifle, if you know how to use a pulse rifles, it's great. Stop exaggerating, please.
Exactly! it demanded much more to use than the other primary weapon types. Like the hand cannons, i think pulse rifles should be effective while being accurate. Instead, while chaining headshots, i would still die first to a hand cannon or an auto rifle.
The main issue with people and pulse rifles is they're thinking about the BR from halo because of the 3 round burst. This is exactly what the BR was. You can kill in 4 hits to the head. But in Halo, you could do 3 bursts to the body, then put the final in the face for the kill, BUT, all rounds had to hit. If you miss one bullet from any 4 of the bursts, you had to put a fifth one in or more. In Destiny, the issue isn't the amount of rounds you put in, but the damage difference from body to head shots. All Pulse rifles have a recoil in their burst. This prevents getting fast and perfect 3 round burst head shots. This coupled with the SIGNIFICANT difference in body to head shot damage and you have yourself a terrible type of weapon. Really, though. With a one-round precision rifle, what is the point of having a 3 round burst rifle? Really, think about it. In literally ALL aspects, ANY game with a single round firing rifle is better than the burst type. In CoD, the FAL or M14 in some of their games is definitively better than the M16 or the Famas. You can pull the trigger faster and get great aim out of them due to low or non-existent recoil. Lots of people will end up disagreeing with this probably. Saying how the 3 round M16 and Famas from MW2 was better than the FAL, and to that I say; Only if you're REEEEALLY bad with the FAL. The DMR is far superior to the BR as well. The BR is USELESS in Halo 4 and from what I played in the Halo 5 beta. There's just no point to 3 round burst if you're going to have a marksman rifle in the gear available. They should just take out Pulses. They will simply never out class the Scouts at farther ranges, and they simply can't out do an AR from close range. In order to even come close to equalizing them, you'd have to break their damage modifiers. The only reason to use a Pulse rifle is if it has an element on it and it's a nightfall/weekly strike with that element's burn. Given the chance you don't have a scout, ar, or hand cannon with that element to substitute.
As you destroy people in the crucible "Yeah this gun sucks..." No but seriously this gun is awesome, this is the first review I have seen of this gun that is negative. I have this gun, (If you don't believe me go look at my profile Ryan8tor2), and I personally love it. Is it on par with something like SUROS? No way, but when using this I can dust off my truth for the crucible or my Ice Breaker for anything else. This gun is like a man among boys when it comes to pulse rifles, (or many other primaries), and wrecks anybody in the crucible and PvE. Go watch Ms 5ooo watts video to see how good it is.
I think he was a little rough on it, its actually pretty good for a pulse rifle. Its not great but I take this as a sign that Bungie is starting to figure out how to make the pulse rifles more viable. Hopefully by House of Wolves they will have some BR types. Be optimistic
I was a little tough on it i admit, but after doing the 3LW review I feel like Bungie needs to show some love to the pulse rifle class. I just didn't want to make excuses for the gun. Even though it is 'pretty good for a pulse rifle', it's still not a better option than a lot of other guns in the game.
Yes I agree, but I have found myself using it in PVE lately. And it's a good weapon when comparing it to other pulse rifles. I think its high fire rate, coupled with Full Auto and Fairly decent stability makes it viable. I can easily make all three shots of the burst hit for Precision damage. Still on the other hand there are not any pulse rifles I would use over my favourite Auto Rifle or Hand Cannon if I was really trying to bring the pain.
No offense, but calling the stability perk a "novelty" upgrade? You always get stability upgrades on pulse rifles. Also, it's like he doesn't even know what the stability does.
I find people generally don't understand pulse rifles and they end up complaining how it isn't a Halo BR, without realizing that a Halo BR is basically the same as a Halo DMR, which is basically the same thing as a scout rifle.
Carlos dms How so? I have use pulse rifles extensively in PVE but mostly in PVP. I do rather well, and I don't like how auto-rifles feel because of preference. From what I've experienced, I can easily win trades and come out alive in many ranges. What has convinced you otherwise?
I believe i called it a specialty perk and the reason for that was that I found the recoil on the rifle manageable without the fitted stock. The field scout perk was a safe choice most of the time.
At about 5:57 you claim to be looking for a BR. Enter the Dead Air 09F3 (db.destinytracker.com/inventory/item/3408183846); a gun that I believe fits your search. It's always been a two burst kill, and it's range is decent with max(able) stability. These rifles do indeed exist, they're just rare.
"Edict" is pronounced "EE-dict" "Syzygy" is pronounced "SIZ-i-jee" "Eris" is pronounced "E-ris" "Ir Yut" is (probably) pronounced "Ear Yoot" Your review is much appreciated and your opinions always seem accurate, but this is difficult to digest in audio form due to little pronunciation quirks.
I like this gun and had alot of fun and purposely gave it maxium damage, but I still agree that this is not a great gun. I've got the Autorifle too from the raid and it already performs better than the Oversoul. Pulserifles really need a buff that make them worth using. They are not entirely useless as they have great hip fire usually, but every other class of primary weapons perform better in PVE and PVP than Pulse Rifle do.These guns lack some impact or something else that makes them worth using.
I truly love your reviews . however I think your really didn't give this weapon justice. Maybe Puls rifels aren't your thing really if even bad juju is to bad in your opinion. I think this weapon is really one of the best of crota's weapons . If you get used to it you just melt hive knights with it .Add to that its really strong during fallen missions . And i have been having a great time in PvP .You can see a lot of videos of player just dominating in the crucible with it . Maybe let one of your colleges review it.
I´m absolutely contradicting. You go with additional amo and lose stability and precision. then you complain about this weapon not being able to kill someone quick enough. It´s definitely the best pulse rifle i used in pvp because of its awesome stabilty (i use the additional stability instead of amo) and high rate of fire. Not sure why you complain about it here. Makes no sense for me.
I really can't agree with you on this one. I've been using it for both pve and pvp and I am loving it. With field scout I can deal out good damage before having to reload. With perfect balance I can chain headshots in pvp at surprising distance and kill people before they can react or outgun several auto rifles. Sure it's not going to match suros or bad juju but it's not an exotic so it makes me able to use my thunderlord.
I disagree I love this thing while it is a pulse rifle which makes it pretty bad to begin with I think it feels great I run fitted stock which makes the recoil very controllable in pvp I can tear people up I just run throughout them like a knife does butter seriously I'm not that good at pvp but with this weapon it's different this particular pulse rifle just clicks with me
I love this gun because I use my bad juju most of the time but this now frees my exotic slot so I can use other weapons. Honestly though bad juju is by far the best pulse rifle because string of curses got buffed or the red death would out class it by far. Oversoul edict isn't bad but it isn't great.
As soon as I got this I did the nightfall without any perk upgrades and the arc burn made it quite the beast. Out on patrol it's not so good. Due to how invaluable elemental damage on a primary is during nightfalls and against certain targets I always have this gun with me to break out as appropriate.
I found this weapon to be awesome in PvP, got mine yesterday. And like other pulse rifles it falls short in PvE. Heck, I'm gonna save mine for the Nightfalls, always good to have.
I think the problem with the pulse rifles is that the fire rate with in the burst and the burst delay are connected to each other by the fire rate stat, when really they should be separate. As you increase fire rate the burst is faster and delay shorter. To fix this the fire rate should be separated. For example you could have a pulse rifle with a long burst delay and a short burst, filling the high skill high reward play style that he mentioned.
I liked three little words, I used it more than the raid pulse rifle so far, but the extra in the mag makes Oversoul Edict better imo. Plus nightfall alone is much easier with arc damage for primary.
Praeydthys timepiece had better perks than this headseeker and fourth shot makes it a very much better choice than oversoul edict and wall of darkness makes this gun near useless in PVP with the only redeeming factor being the full auto
I don't necessarily agree with this review. I personally find the oversoul as a pretty legit weapon. Especially in crucible with the stability perk? It's a solid weapon in my book.
Pulse Rifles can be awesome if you use them right. You just have to pick your shots. All pretty bad is a bit of an exaggeration. One mans garbage and all that...
I think it would be cool for an exotic pulse rifle or high rate of fire auto rifle to have the tracking perk from rocket launchers. It would really fun and make a weapon that is fun to use.
I don't think I will be using mine unless it's arc burn on nightfall. It is great for taking down shields, but I usually switch to something stronger to finish the job.
I mean the strangers rifle is a really good pulse rifle even though its a rare weapon, and the damage output is bad it is a really good weapon and its easy to hit your enemies
I use this gun all the time because it has arch damage i think it does alright with damage. But you shouldn't use this gun in the crucible thats for sure.
People always seem to forget the Stranger Rifle. The Stranger Rifle in my opinion is the closest to the BR from Halo. The SR should be a legendary honestly. That is an amazing PR. Also, when you go for voice over, you should probably be able to pronounce the names. Edict is not pronounced eh-dict its ee-dict. Same with Ir Yut. The Ir is pronounced as "ear" since there are no accent marks of any kind to indicate that the "I" would be a long vowel. Not Ire, what you used, which is another word for anger. As for Yut, though I can't insert it in this message, does have an accent mark on the "U" so that is a long vowel. Y-oo-t is the correct way.
ive had very different results with this gun compared to how it was reviewed here. I guess what it really boils down to is personal preference. i understand certain people have better aim, or better strategies as to PvP and PvE, and that simple stats are stats, but this thing, IMO just melts. i didnt think it would be so good in the crucible. im not a huge pulse rifle user, my favorite weapon being hand cannons, but this is gonna become a part of my main weapon lineup/
Hello awesome review as always but if i may ask you guys were talking about the monte carlo review for a while and someone stated that its gonna come after the word of crota review any news on that ?
5:44 - This. This is the main problem I see why people don't seem to understand pulse rifles. I feel like all of the hate on pulse rifles stems from the fact that people automatically think "OMG THIS IS BUNGIE SO ANYTHING THAT FIRES IN BURSTS HAS TO ACT LIKE THE HALO BR." This mentality ABSOLUTELY PUZZLES ME. Halo: Reach and Halo: 4 proved 1 thing: The BR and DMR had the EXACT SAME LONG RANGE NICHE. The BR could just as well have only shot one round per trigger pull. Apparently Bungies thought so too because the BR was completely replaced by the DMR in Reach. BUNGIE HAS CLEARLY USED A DIFFERENT BALANCING SCHEME FOR DESTINY in order to avoid the redundancy that became obvious in Halo 4. People also notice the significantly higher precision damage multiplier for pulse rifles compared to auto rifles and immediately think "Well, that means I have to hit all three bullets of the burst on a crit spot to be viable against auto rifles which are TOTALLY BETTER THAN PULSE RIFLES IN ANY RANGE. But that makes this pulse rifles even more garbage because they have too much recoil to hit all three bullets on the head like I can with a Halo BR!" - this is pretty much what the guys at IGN thought. Again, they expected a Halo BR (hint hint: that niche is filled by scout rifles in Destiny) and didn't get one so they got all toxic against the pulse rifle weapon class. Another issue is that people put too much stock into ROF. They think ROF can be immediately multiplied to the damage stat in order to get the most accurate DPS to represent TTK when realistically full auto ROF can only really be taken full advantage of in CQC. Most of the time 20%-80% of your full auto spray will miss depending on the intensity of the game's recoil and spread. This is true in Counter Strike (anyone who holds down the trigger with an AR in Counter Strike for any range past CQC is an idiot). This is true in Battlefield (Battlefield 2 is the best example of this). This is true with full auto guns in Halo. And then suddenly, Destiny comes out and people get a hard-on for full auto theoretical DPS that is never achieved past close range. Really, you don't find yourself feathering the trigger of a fully automatic rifle to be more accurate at greater distances in ANY GAME? Exclude COD. COD has always had guns that behave like lasers even before Advanced Warfare introduced REAL laser guns. So let's look at the stats of pulse rifles as well as the general nature of burst guns in games shall we? It's true that the built-in refire time slows ROF greatly. But it also ensures that there is a recoil and spread reset between every burst - this reset may not fully cancel the bloom or recoil increase from the previous burst but it cancels a significant amount. The result is a much higher percentage of your bullets land as compared to firing a fully automatic gun (this is also part of the reason IRL why the standard issue M16 only fires in bursts - the other reason being the fact that bullets are expensive and burst-firing is more economical). Different games handle burst gun recoil differently. In Halo, the three shots land virtually on top of each other and so it is basically a DMR. In CS:GO, the FAMAS has the first two bullets of the burst landing very accurately and tightly grouped while the third bullet is at the mercy of the RNG Gods. Every gun in COD is a laser - including the burst guns. It is also worth noting here that Destiny has rather short burst refire times compared to other burst guns in other games. In Destiny, all pulse rifles have significant but predictable recoil. This recoil is controllable but large enough to prevent all three bullets from reliably hitting the head - why choose this game design? Because if you could land all 3 shots on a target's sweet spot then it would behave exactly like a Halo BR, and therefore it would behave exactly like a Halo DMR, and therefore it would behave exactly like a Destiny Scout Rifle. But here's the thing: the damage, fire rate, and refire time of pulse rifles were determined with this recoil in mind. Exhibit A: the pulse rifle Grimoire card says "Skilled shooters often walk the burst from the target's center of mass onto the head.." Exhibit B: the Headseeker perk - a perk unique to pulse rifles - has the description, "Body shots with this weapon increase precision damage for a short time.". Those two are clear as crystal as to how you're supposed to aim with a pulse rifle. Aiming for upper torso guarantees all 3 bullets hit, with another guarantee of at least 1 bullet doing precision damage. Longer ranges require you to aim lower and closer to the waist though a scout rifle is more consistent. CQC will allow you to land all 3 bullets on the head which results in a faster TTK than an auto rifle aiming for the head as well (because auto rifle precision damage is intentionally low) - but this rarely happens because auto rifles are just SO much easier to land shots with in CQC compared to a pulse rifle. But there is a range where the pulse rifle shines - mid range. Many Destiny Auto Rifle players HATE the fast firing auto rifle archetype because of the inaccuracy and recoil intensity - readily forgetting that this is EXACTLY how the Assault Rifle behaves in Halo (and there's a reason why people love the Halo AR. It's very very good within the range where you can fire full auto and land all of your shots AKA CQC). Many Destiny players prize more accurate and slower firing auto rifles in order to try to be more effective in mid-range. However, with the RANGE stat directly effecting the starting distance of damage drop-off (and I think it affects the rate of damage drop-off as well) an auto rifle at mid range will - assuming equal player skill - lose to a pulse rifle. Pulse rifles have consistently better range stats than assault rifles when comparing across archetypes. With the scout rifle's slower TTK when comparing across archetypes then a pulse rifle will - again asuming equal player skill - also outperform a scout rifle in medium range. Bottom Line: This isn't Halo. The pulse rifle isn't a BR, because a BR is functionally the same as a DMR, which is a niche already filled by the scout rifle. Stop insisting that the pule rifle behave like a scout rifle. That's just silly. Learn to walk your bursts.
If we're assuming a scenario where people miss, a bullet missed from a burst is far less of a concern than a bullet missed from a single-shot weapon (33-100% loss of damage per trigger pull w/ miss vs guaranteed 100% loss of damage per trigger pull w/ miss). Add that to the fact that constantly walking bursts is easier than constantly aiming for the head and you get higher hit percentages on average. If we're assuming purely body shots, then the pulse rifle will clearly out-damage the scout rifle because scout rifles rely more on precision damage multipliers to obtain fast TTKs than a pulse rifle does. If we're assuming everyone is critting with every bullet, (which very very very very very very very rarely ever happens) then a marginal increase in damage can have significant impact on TTK and the outcome of the skirmish. Since you will only ever get 1-2 precision hits with a pulse rifle anyway (the rest being body shots), a scout rifle SHOULD win the crit scenario. It has to. That's it's niche: range and precision. Between all three of these cases, there is a comfortably large range of possibilities where a pulse rifle wins out. Would I be opposed to a 5-10% increase in base damage for pulse rifles though? No. It would widen the range of possibilities more. As it stands though, I don't really think it's needed.
I would also like to point out that in CQC, a perfectly critting scout rifle still has a lower TTK than an auto rifle. BUT the auto rifle still wins over the scout rifle more often in that scenario. Why? Because the factors involving close-range movement, ease of aim, how quickly the enemy travels from one part of the screen to another, loss of DPS of a missed semi-auto round vs a fully auto round, screen shake, etc. means the odds are in the auto rifles's favor. The same principle can be applied to how pulse rifles can win over auto rifles and scout rifles in mid-range.
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Should definitely check out the website then if you haven't already.
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Yeah, it seems like any legendary pulse rifle would be better than this. My Coiled Hiss 1919 has better perks, for the same damage in PvP, PvE I don't know its damage, but I got it from the free legendary from Bungie. It has Spray and Play, Single Point Sling/Field Scout/snapshot, and Glass Half Full
Same here dude, the exact same perks minus Spray and Play and on of the second tier perks.
what do you have instead of spray and play?
I got one with secret round, glass half full , and field scout, I'm very happy with it.
I actually only use pulse rifles and the only perk I NEED TO HAVE is headseeker. That perk is absolutely my favorite.
remind me what it does again? Also is it just me, or does the Destiny community not know how to control recoil?
Oversoul edict > Grasp of Malok.
VoG weapons need some cosmetic rework to look more thematic like the CE weapons do. Make them vex-colored with some holograms and translucent parts. Just a random idea.
Too late now m8
Ron Swanson Considering that we can upgrade them to the HoW Cap, I don't think its that late.
I thought the same thing but if you take a close look to them, they all have this futuristic/mechanic look with red lights and metal plates all over it
All the raid guns except the Black Hammer, Hunger of Crota and Fang are underwhelming and extremely average.
once again "review" that only talks about pvp. Stop! i dont give a crud about pvp!
"So lets get down to breaking down this rifle..."
Yes, dismantling it.
If u max this weapon out and get the added stability then this is a good weapon. now when u 1st get the weapon it sucks it really does cuz I knw that it takes like 4 or more rounds to down someone in pvp but this is a RAID weapon.
RAID weapon !!! not crucible. It's a fun gun I think For pulse rifles one of the best. That's for pulse rifle, I don't like them.
Is it me or does it seem that all the guns in this dlc are just underpowered?
*FULL OVERSOUL EDICT REVIEW*: planetdestiny.com/oversoul-edict-review/
***** That so true xD Timepiece is a beast in PvP in the hand of a skilled player!
don't know why are people looking for an equivalent of a gun that's in a different game. that's like me going and using the awp in CS:GO and complaining that it isn't like a sniper in TF2.
***** just as tf2 and cs:go both are valve games.
given they were both developed by valve? and the same people were used to create the online hub and most were used for weapon designs along with user created content being added.
Sometimes i think they should buff up the pulse rifles just a little bit for improvment like this one
For the most part I can't stand any of the pulse rifles, none of them have enough impact to warrant using them. Plus if you have Ice Breaker you can destroy a Knight's shield with one shot and lay into him with the rest of the mag and kill him pretty quick making the perk on the Oversoul pointless.
Hey its an honest review,and thats why i like this channel.
Could you do a PvE review on sword breaker, abyss defiant and over soul edict because I just got them and I don't know what's better
Impact is HORRIBLE, Pulse rifles are pitiful on this game, only one decente enuff for me was the Super Pox VLO I preferred it over the Red Death.
Nice review man. Also, not sure why but I lol everytime you say "I'm paper... cut to you"
its hard to fix them, because they would become one burst kills on the crucible. the way they are now in pve is just not practical at all, even the red death just at patrol kind of sucks.
Since the buff, I love this weapon in Raid, PvP, & PvE
Every review on this channel is perfectly done. Good job
Those lvl 33 hallowed knights are such bullet sponges…
Paper cut I think your my fav don't tell the others
Pfft Pulse Rifles bad? PlanetDestiny I know this was made in Feb, but still. Pulse Rifles bad.
*Everyone bursts out laughing
A new review is coming that accounts for the patch changes.
PlanetDestiny Ok, good. Luv ur vids.
since this video, pulse rifles have been buffed. New review to come?
Yes
You are so wrong man this weapon is a beast in PvP I love this weapon and I play with it all the time while running rumble.You can check out some of my games on the destiny app Cog Skillz
He's not wrong when that's his own opinion.
***** Completely dependent on perspective.
COG BEST CLAN OUT THERE!!!
3:34. wat.
Her name is Eris not "Ares"
You guys should review the vault of glass raid weapons. Just a recommendation for any beginners that watch your channel. Since vault of glass is the first raid the newest players are going to be doing.
"…that's the problem with pulse rifles, they're all pretty bad…"
What are you on about? Why does everyone dislike pulse rifles? It's not spray 'n' pray like an suto rifle, if you know how to use a pulse rifles, it's great. Stop exaggerating, please.
its great now after the buff. before you were better off using something else.
Better now after the buff. Better. It wasn't terrible before but people want to think that is was because it demanded more of them as shooters.
Exactly! it demanded much more to use than the other primary weapon types. Like the hand cannons, i think pulse rifles should be effective while being accurate. Instead, while chaining headshots, i would still die first to a hand cannon or an auto rifle.
So practise then. Just because you cannot chain accurate shots don't makes the pulse rifle weapon class bad.
Again, my problem is that almost everyone is exaggerating and calling them horrible, junk, crap, useless, etc. It's simply not true.
The main issue with people and pulse rifles is they're thinking about the BR from halo because of the 3 round burst. This is exactly what the BR was. You can kill in 4 hits to the head. But in Halo, you could do 3 bursts to the body, then put the final in the face for the kill, BUT, all rounds had to hit. If you miss one bullet from any 4 of the bursts, you had to put a fifth one in or more. In Destiny, the issue isn't the amount of rounds you put in, but the damage difference from body to head shots. All Pulse rifles have a recoil in their burst. This prevents getting fast and perfect 3 round burst head shots. This coupled with the SIGNIFICANT difference in body to head shot damage and you have yourself a terrible type of weapon. Really, though. With a one-round precision rifle, what is the point of having a 3 round burst rifle? Really, think about it. In literally ALL aspects, ANY game with a single round firing rifle is better than the burst type. In CoD, the FAL or M14 in some of their games is definitively better than the M16 or the Famas. You can pull the trigger faster and get great aim out of them due to low or non-existent recoil. Lots of people will end up disagreeing with this probably. Saying how the 3 round M16 and Famas from MW2 was better than the FAL, and to that I say; Only if you're REEEEALLY bad with the FAL. The DMR is far superior to the BR as well. The BR is USELESS in Halo 4 and from what I played in the Halo 5 beta. There's just no point to 3 round burst if you're going to have a marksman rifle in the gear available. They should just take out Pulses. They will simply never out class the Scouts at farther ranges, and they simply can't out do an AR from close range. In order to even come close to equalizing them, you'd have to break their damage modifiers. The only reason to use a Pulse rifle is if it has an element on it and it's a nightfall/weekly strike with that element's burn. Given the chance you don't have a scout, ar, or hand cannon with that element to substitute.
As you destroy people in the crucible "Yeah this gun sucks..."
No but seriously this gun is awesome, this is the first review I have seen of this gun that is negative. I have this gun, (If you don't believe me go look at my profile Ryan8tor2), and I personally love it. Is it on par with something like SUROS? No way, but when using this I can dust off my truth for the crucible or my Ice Breaker for anything else. This gun is like a man among boys when it comes to pulse rifles, (or many other primaries), and wrecks anybody in the crucible and PvE. Go watch Ms 5ooo watts video to see how good it is.
Commentator is most definitely Canadian... haha
God this guys editing is terrible.
Yes yes it is
I think he was a little rough on it, its actually pretty good for a pulse rifle. Its not great but I take this as a sign that Bungie is starting to figure out how to make the pulse rifles more viable. Hopefully by House of Wolves they will have some BR types. Be optimistic
I was a little tough on it i admit, but after doing the 3LW review I feel like Bungie needs to show some love to the pulse rifle class. I just didn't want to make excuses for the gun. Even though it is 'pretty good for a pulse rifle', it's still not a better option than a lot of other guns in the game.
Yes I agree, but I have found myself using it in PVE lately. And it's a good weapon when comparing it to other pulse rifles. I think its high fire rate, coupled with Full Auto and Fairly decent stability makes it viable. I can easily make all three shots of the burst hit for Precision damage. Still on the other hand there are not any pulse rifles I would use over my favourite Auto Rifle or Hand Cannon if I was really trying to bring the pain.
I saw on the weekly update that they are going to be giving it a buff.
Yes I saw that too. Hopefully the damage buff of 9.7 is what the pulse rifle needs to be a viable option.
No offense, but calling the stability perk a "novelty" upgrade? You always get stability upgrades on pulse rifles. Also, it's like he doesn't even know what the stability does.
I find people generally don't understand pulse rifles and they end up complaining how it isn't a Halo BR, without realizing that a Halo BR is basically the same as a Halo DMR, which is basically the same thing as a scout rifle.
CreideikiRox Lol you are so wrong
Carlos dms How so? I have use pulse rifles extensively in PVE but mostly in PVP. I do rather well, and I don't like how auto-rifles feel because of preference. From what I've experienced, I can easily win trades and come out alive in many ranges. What has convinced you otherwise?
I believe i called it a specialty perk and the reason for that was that I found the recoil on the rifle manageable without the fitted stock. The field scout perk was a safe choice most of the time.
At about 5:57 you claim to be looking for a BR. Enter the Dead Air 09F3 (db.destinytracker.com/inventory/item/3408183846); a gun that I believe fits your search. It's always been a two burst kill, and it's range is decent with max(able) stability. These rifles do indeed exist, they're just rare.
"Edict" is pronounced "EE-dict"
"Syzygy" is pronounced "SIZ-i-jee"
"Eris" is pronounced "E-ris"
"Ir Yut" is (probably) pronounced "Ear Yoot"
Your review is much appreciated and your opinions always seem accurate, but this is difficult to digest in audio form due to little pronunciation quirks.
I like this gun and had alot of fun and purposely gave it maxium damage, but I still agree that this is not a great gun. I've got the Autorifle too from the raid and it already performs better than the Oversoul. Pulserifles really need a buff that make them worth using. They are not entirely useless as they have great hip fire usually, but every other class of primary weapons perform better in PVE and PVP than Pulse Rifle do.These guns lack some impact or something else that makes them worth using.
I truly love your reviews . however I think your really didn't give this weapon justice. Maybe Puls rifels aren't your thing really if even bad juju is to bad in your opinion. I think this weapon is really one of the best of crota's weapons . If you get used to it you just melt hive knights with it .Add to that its really strong during fallen missions . And i have been having a great time in PvP .You can see a lot of videos of player just dominating in the crucible with it . Maybe let one of your colleges review it.
I´m absolutely contradicting. You go with additional amo and lose stability and precision. then you complain about this weapon not being able to kill someone quick enough. It´s definitely the best pulse rifle i used in pvp because of its awesome stabilty (i use the additional stability instead of amo) and high rate of fire. Not sure why you complain about it here. Makes no sense for me.
I really can't agree with you on this one. I've been using it for both pve and pvp and I am loving it. With field scout I can deal out good damage before having to reload. With perfect balance I can chain headshots in pvp at surprising distance and kill people before they can react or outgun several auto rifles. Sure it's not going to match suros or bad juju but it's not an exotic so it makes me able to use my thunderlord.
Got destroyed by a very good pvp player using this gun. The weapon killed me extremely fast in iron banner.
I disagree I love this thing while it is a pulse rifle which makes it pretty bad to begin with I think it feels great I run fitted stock which makes the recoil very controllable in pvp I can tear people up I just run throughout them like a knife does butter seriously I'm not that good at pvp but with this weapon it's different this particular pulse rifle just clicks with me
I love this gun because I use my bad juju most of the time but this now frees my exotic slot so I can use other weapons. Honestly though bad juju is by far the best pulse rifle because string of curses got buffed or the red death would out class it by far. Oversoul edict isn't bad but it isn't great.
As soon as I got this I did the nightfall without any perk upgrades and the arc burn made it quite the beast. Out on patrol it's not so good. Due to how invaluable elemental damage on a primary is during nightfalls and against certain targets I always have this gun with me to break out as appropriate.
I found this weapon to be awesome in PvP, got mine yesterday. And like other pulse rifles it falls short in PvE. Heck, I'm gonna save mine for the Nightfalls, always good to have.
I think the problem with the pulse rifles is that the fire rate with in the burst and the burst delay are connected to each other by the fire rate stat, when really they should be separate. As you increase fire rate the burst is faster and delay shorter.
To fix this the fire rate should be separated. For example you could have a pulse rifle with a long burst delay and a short burst, filling the high skill high reward play style that he mentioned.
I liked three little words, I used it more than the raid pulse rifle so far, but the extra in the mag makes Oversoul Edict better imo. Plus nightfall alone is much easier with arc damage for primary.
Praeydthys timepiece had better perks than this headseeker and fourth shot makes it a very much better choice than oversoul edict and wall of darkness makes this gun near useless in PVP with the only redeeming factor being the full auto
I don't necessarily agree with this review. I personally find the oversoul as a pretty legit weapon. Especially in crucible with the stability perk? It's a solid weapon in my book.
Pulse Rifles can be awesome if you use them right. You just have to pick your shots. All pretty bad is a bit of an exaggeration. One mans garbage and all that...
looks like they just re-skinned praedyth's timepeice. I like high ROF pulse rifles for PVE but in crucible not so much. good review though.
I think it would be cool for an exotic pulse rifle or high rate of fire auto rifle to have the tracking perk from rocket launchers. It would really fun and make a weapon that is fun to use.
I don't think I will be using mine unless it's arc burn on nightfall. It is great for taking down shields, but I usually switch to something stronger to finish the job.
Yeah, this weapon kind of blows in PvE, but it's fine in PvP. The TTK isn't really all that bad, and you don't need to land headshots.
The majority of players in crucible are terrible anyways. In the right hands, any gun is good. Besides high rate of fire low impact guns.
Keep up th awesome work guys!
This is a fun gun I do 42 round and Destiny in a Hive World. I use mine 50% of the time, NO not crucible. Farming is great.
Hey PlanetDestiny your voice cuts out at 6:15 on the video, don't think that matter.
People don't seem to understand that pulse rifles are more set for PvE. If you want a good pulse rifle... they do exist: Red Death.
I mean the strangers rifle is a really good pulse rifle even though its a rare weapon, and the damage output is bad it is a really good weapon and its easy to hit your enemies
1. Learn to pronounce words...
2. This gun is a beast. If I didn't have bad juju I would use this gun all the time.
I use this gun all the time because it has arch damage i think it does alright with damage. But you shouldn't use this gun in the crucible thats for sure.
Thanks for the review. Would prefer the review to be a little more organized though. Holtzman's format is a little easier to follow.
Over soul edict is one of the primary weapon wih arc damage which you don't get normally but it can be replaced by another
So around 6:15 "and if you're any good with this weapon I assume" .....silence. Why is there silence guy?
Just got this and now after watching im breaking it down. Not a loss for me anyways because i never use pulse rifles
Nice vid! I got this gun twice in the raid and I'm not gonna use unless I need to do the nightfall because I have the abyss defiant
lol, try it now, it rules, just like Clever Dragon and Grasp of Malok
People always seem to forget the Stranger Rifle. The Stranger Rifle in my opinion is the closest to the BR from Halo. The SR should be a legendary honestly. That is an amazing PR.
Also, when you go for voice over, you should probably be able to pronounce the names. Edict is not pronounced eh-dict its ee-dict. Same with Ir Yut. The Ir is pronounced as "ear" since there are no accent marks of any kind to indicate that the "I" would be a long vowel. Not Ire, what you used, which is another word for anger. As for Yut, though I can't insert it in this message, does have an accent mark on the "U" so that is a long vowel. Y-oo-t is the correct way.
So many R's in this one message and u r right on the pronunciation
Got this today after practically soloing the abyss for my team, it's actually pretty good after the buff :)
you dont really see the true power of this gun sorry but patrick should have reviewed it as he knows what i mean
it's pronounced eee-dicked. an official order given by a person with power or by a government
so, praedyth's timepiece is still the best pulse rifle in the game.
Red Death*
A Guy On TH-cam true. so true. forgot that one.
Kills a gun very fast then gives gun two thumbs down then just after that kills guy rushing him with a shotgun.
dude tihs gun is the best gun for pvp your just a skilled player that uses weapons that a skilled player would use
If you want a BR type pulse rifle try the Red Death. Best pulse rifle in the game, hands down.
ive had very different results with this gun compared to how it was reviewed here. I guess what it really boils down to is personal preference. i understand certain people have better aim, or better strategies as to PvP and PvE, and that simple stats are stats, but this thing, IMO just melts. i didnt think it would be so good in the crucible. im not a huge pulse rifle user, my favorite weapon being hand cannons, but this is gonna become a part of my main weapon lineup/
The personal prefrence is 50/50 with this comment section
Don't listen to this guy oversoul eddict is a great weapon in pvp and pve it is one of the best pulse rifles
After buff I just love this rifle PvP and PvE. It's really worth upgrade.
Probably my favourite Crotas end weapon , not really a fan of pulse rifles but I love this one
Dude have you used the red death?? You say that no pulse rifles are good or have a br feel to them.
pulse rifle are not very good! Hand cannon are the best if you can aim well in my opinion!
I don't know bout you but i kill suros and mythoclasts in the crucible with my red death
This guy pronounces things kinda wierd. Also the editing isn't very good on this video
Those strange coins are better than the freaking ascendant shards I got from the Nightfall.
i have Fair and Square. it is a PvP beast
QFT
The Song of I Root? Wtf? Its IR Yut. There's an accent mark. Lol.
What is papers you tube channel? Plz tell me I am addicted to his voice
Hello awesome review as always but if i may ask you guys were talking about the monte carlo review for a while and someone stated that its gonna come after the word of crota review any news on that ?
It is in its final production stages. Had some stuff come up so it got pushed back a wee bit longer than I would of liked.
It's an ok gun .. but just wait for that 9% base damage increase (:
They are not called 'scopes'. They are 'sights'. Two different things.
Can you do another review once the pulse rifle 10% buff drops?
5:44 - This. This is the main problem I see why people don't seem to understand pulse rifles. I feel like all of the hate on pulse rifles stems from the fact that people automatically think "OMG THIS IS BUNGIE SO ANYTHING THAT FIRES IN BURSTS HAS TO ACT LIKE THE HALO BR." This mentality ABSOLUTELY PUZZLES ME. Halo: Reach and Halo: 4 proved 1 thing: The BR and DMR had the EXACT SAME LONG RANGE NICHE. The BR could just as well have only shot one round per trigger pull. Apparently Bungies thought so too because the BR was completely replaced by the DMR in Reach. BUNGIE HAS CLEARLY USED A DIFFERENT BALANCING SCHEME FOR DESTINY in order to avoid the redundancy that became obvious in Halo 4. People also notice the significantly higher precision damage multiplier for pulse rifles compared to auto rifles and immediately think "Well, that means I have to hit all three bullets of the burst on a crit spot to be viable against auto rifles which are TOTALLY BETTER THAN PULSE RIFLES IN ANY RANGE. But that makes this pulse rifles even more garbage because they have too much recoil to hit all three bullets on the head like I can with a Halo BR!" - this is pretty much what the guys at IGN thought. Again, they expected a Halo BR (hint hint: that niche is filled by scout rifles in Destiny) and didn't get one so they got all toxic against the pulse rifle weapon class.
Another issue is that people put too much stock into ROF. They think ROF can be immediately multiplied to the damage stat in order to get the most accurate DPS to represent TTK when realistically full auto ROF can only really be taken full advantage of in CQC. Most of the time 20%-80% of your full auto spray will miss depending on the intensity of the game's recoil and spread. This is true in Counter Strike (anyone who holds down the trigger with an AR in Counter Strike for any range past CQC is an idiot). This is true in Battlefield (Battlefield 2 is the best example of this). This is true with full auto guns in Halo. And then suddenly, Destiny comes out and people get a hard-on for full auto theoretical DPS that is never achieved past close range. Really, you don't find yourself feathering the trigger of a fully automatic rifle to be more accurate at greater distances in ANY GAME? Exclude COD. COD has always had guns that behave like lasers even before Advanced Warfare introduced REAL laser guns.
So let's look at the stats of pulse rifles as well as the general nature of burst guns in games shall we? It's true that the built-in refire time slows ROF greatly. But it also ensures that there is a recoil and spread reset between every burst - this reset may not fully cancel the bloom or recoil increase from the previous burst but it cancels a significant amount. The result is a much higher percentage of your bullets land as compared to firing a fully automatic gun (this is also part of the reason IRL why the standard issue M16 only fires in bursts - the other reason being the fact that bullets are expensive and burst-firing is more economical). Different games handle burst gun recoil differently. In Halo, the three shots land virtually on top of each other and so it is basically a DMR. In CS:GO, the FAMAS has the first two bullets of the burst landing very accurately and tightly grouped while the third bullet is at the mercy of the RNG Gods. Every gun in COD is a laser - including the burst guns. It is also worth noting here that Destiny has rather short burst refire times compared to other burst guns in other games.
In Destiny, all pulse rifles have significant but predictable recoil. This recoil is controllable but large enough to prevent all three bullets from reliably hitting the head - why choose this game design? Because if you could land all 3 shots on a target's sweet spot then it would behave exactly like a Halo BR, and therefore it would behave exactly like a Halo DMR, and therefore it would behave exactly like a Destiny Scout Rifle. But here's the thing: the damage, fire rate, and refire time of pulse rifles were determined with this recoil in mind. Exhibit A: the pulse rifle Grimoire card says "Skilled shooters often walk the burst from the target's center of mass onto the head.." Exhibit B: the Headseeker perk - a perk unique to pulse rifles - has the description, "Body shots with this weapon increase precision damage for a short time.". Those two are clear as crystal as to how you're supposed to aim with a pulse rifle. Aiming for upper torso guarantees all 3 bullets hit, with another guarantee of at least 1 bullet doing precision damage. Longer ranges require you to aim lower and closer to the waist though a scout rifle is more consistent. CQC will allow you to land all 3 bullets on the head which results in a faster TTK than an auto rifle aiming for the head as well (because auto rifle precision damage is intentionally low) - but this rarely happens because auto rifles are just SO much easier to land shots with in CQC compared to a pulse rifle. But there is a range where the pulse rifle shines - mid range. Many Destiny Auto Rifle players HATE the fast firing auto rifle archetype because of the inaccuracy and recoil intensity - readily forgetting that this is EXACTLY how the Assault Rifle behaves in Halo (and there's a reason why people love the Halo AR. It's very very good within the range where you can fire full auto and land all of your shots AKA CQC). Many Destiny players prize more accurate and slower firing auto rifles in order to try to be more effective in mid-range. However, with the RANGE stat directly effecting the starting distance of damage drop-off (and I think it affects the rate of damage drop-off as well) an auto rifle at mid range will - assuming equal player skill - lose to a pulse rifle. Pulse rifles have consistently better range stats than assault rifles when comparing across archetypes. With the scout rifle's slower TTK when comparing across archetypes then a pulse rifle will - again asuming equal player skill - also outperform a scout rifle in medium range.
Bottom Line: This isn't Halo. The pulse rifle isn't a BR, because a BR is functionally the same as a DMR, which is a niche already filled by the scout rifle. Stop insisting that the pule rifle behave like a scout rifle. That's just silly. Learn to walk your bursts.
If we're assuming a scenario where people miss, a bullet missed from a burst is far less of a concern than a bullet missed from a single-shot weapon (33-100% loss of damage per trigger pull w/ miss vs guaranteed 100% loss of damage per trigger pull w/ miss). Add that to the fact that constantly walking bursts is easier than constantly aiming for the head and you get higher hit percentages on average.
If we're assuming purely body shots, then the pulse rifle will clearly out-damage the scout rifle because scout rifles rely more on precision damage multipliers to obtain fast TTKs than a pulse rifle does.
If we're assuming everyone is critting with every bullet, (which very very very very very very very rarely ever happens) then a marginal increase in damage can have significant impact on TTK and the outcome of the skirmish. Since you will only ever get 1-2 precision hits with a pulse rifle anyway (the rest being body shots), a scout rifle SHOULD win the crit scenario. It has to. That's it's niche: range and precision.
Between all three of these cases, there is a comfortably large range of possibilities where a pulse rifle wins out.
Would I be opposed to a 5-10% increase in base damage for pulse rifles though? No. It would widen the range of possibilities more. As it stands though, I don't really think it's needed.
I would also like to point out that in CQC, a perfectly critting scout rifle still has a lower TTK than an auto rifle. BUT the auto rifle still wins over the scout rifle more often in that scenario. Why? Because the factors involving close-range movement, ease of aim, how quickly the enemy travels from one part of the screen to another, loss of DPS of a missed semi-auto round vs a fully auto round, screen shake, etc. means the odds are in the auto rifles's favor.
The same principle can be applied to how pulse rifles can win over auto rifles and scout rifles in mid-range.
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i just want them to make the pulse rifles like the halo3 BR were the burst are fast
I just got this today. Hope the buff is enough to make this weapon better
The last guardian standing will be holding a pulse rifle. Just saying.
After like 7 months of Destiny I finally am retiring this game is garbage
How can u pronounce everything so clearly except the O . Seriously
Looking to be using my other raid weapons like word of crota xD
Wish I could come back to the golden age of destiny and my childhood.