How the mighty have fallen. Bungie seriously needs to restore ARs in general back to their pre 1.1.1. state. The only reason they were used as much as the were was because the Iron Banner bounty called for them to be used, not because they were overpowered.
Charlie Bartlett And yet every Iron Banner prior to the last one had a AUTO RIFLE Headshot bounty. If you don't honestly think that has something to do with the dramatic increase in AR usage in PVP, you're sorely mistaken.
***** Auto rifles were way over used in PVP and it's not because of the bounty. Just think about how many of them you'd find in one crucible match, it was annoying to say the least.
***** I wouldn't say it was the bounty, more the fact that scout rifles weren't good for short range and rapid fire encounters, and the majority of pulse rifles you could find had about 5 impact.
They never should have nerfed auto rifles. They should have made the suros maybe 1 more shot to kill but made the pulse rifle buff ALONGSIDE the auto rifles. Not nerf them to oblivion. Now pulse rifles/Hand cannons dominate
Felipe Thiago Exactly! I keep having to make that point only to have the response be "well, if you know how to use it, this is not a problem..." but as Patrick said in the vid, time-to-kill is the thing you have to consider
The problem with buffing the AR's again is finding a healthy medium. I don't think anyone would want AR's to be as overpowered again as they were in launch, but we don't want them to be as poor as they are now. Bungie needs to find a good spot where Pulse Rifles are sitting on now.
They were never really that overpowered. Auto rifles are just very easy to use so everyone on Destiny used them because most people suck at this game. Hand cannons and scout rifles were still superior before.
True enough. I guess I'm talking more so about Suros. It's powerful AND easy to use. I do believe Suros needs to be some sort of powerhouse, but not as op as it was during launch. It needs to be better than most if not all auto rifles (being an exotic and all) and it needs to be more powerful than the majority of legendaries to an extent, but not "This is the only weapon I need to get 30+ kills on the crucible" op.
ARs weren' op is just that they were most viable choice for pvp, along with hand cannons now that pulse rifles got the buff they needed i think its safe to say that if bugie brings back the auto rifles to there former glory there will be more diversity
Agreed. It seems like if they had elemental damage theyd be a more reliable in nightfall and a wider range of exotics would be used to suit the need. Like an arc burn nightfall with light switch with an arc mida multi tool would be ideal or something along those lines.
Chase Pullifrone Some ideas: Hard Light: Arc Monte Carlo: Solar Suros Regime: Arc Thorn: Void The Last Word: Solar Hawkmoon: Arc Bad Juju: Void Red Death: Solar MIDA Multi-Tool: Arc
*Full review:* planetdestiny.com/suros-regime The Regime is still one of the best ARs in the game, but until ARs are improved in general, it's probably best to use something else. It is one of the easiest-to-control auto rifles in the game though, so if you're an AR fan, this is definitely a decent option in PvP. In PvE we can't recommend it. As a primary Exotic in PvE, the only word that can be used to describe it is.. disappointing. Unless you stubbornly love it - and with its look, who could blame you? - you're better off using almost any other Primary, Special, or Heavy Exotic. In PvP, it can still hang with the pack, while no longer being the weapon of choice for those who top the leaderboards. Its unfortunate that its trajectory has been straight down since its introduction, but we have high hopes SUROS might one day return to the limelight.
PlanetDestiny Honestly, I still like the Suros a lot. The best way to bring back the auto rifles is to increase the damage to get back at least half of what they took away. The range nerf was necessary, as many people were quite annoyed with how many times they were "sniped" from across a long distance with Suros and many other auto rifles.
PlanetDestiny Before 1.1.1, I wouldn't even TOUCH scout rifles or handcannons. Now that 1.1.1 has been out for a while, AR's has been hit SO hard, that scout rifles are my primary and from timw to time I use hand cannons and pulse rifles. R.I.P suros regime, you were my go to.
While I normally give Bungie props for getting most weapon classes to operate pretty closely to how they operate in real life, I cannot do the for auto rifles. ARs should be the most devastating weapon class in game for mid to close range battle both in pvp and over. Seriously these weapons should absolutely shred everything they're aimed at.
Just as a point of reference, the NL Shadow 701X Scout Rifle (Random Crucible Drop) with full auto and 12 less shots has roughly the same ROF and does more damage than the Suros Regime with Focused Fire........
Talking about Nostalgia, Suros got me through my first ever Vault of Shards. It may be broken, beat and scarred but it's still my favourite Auto Rifle. Can't wait for its eventual fix.
Jacob Reddy Red Death is by far the better choice right now... But after Update 2.0 I'm guessing they'll be on equal terms and it'll be up to preference.
Then, I will know u r a handcannon fan and u getting killed by felwinter's a lot. But there is one handcannon need a fix. It is hawkmoon. I don't know why but every hawkmoon can hit that one random bullet on me and kill me in one sec.... It should be one bullet every 4 shot instead of every two....
Jesse Forsell This is a bullshit statement. Last Word straight whoops and Hawkmoon/Thorn both outclass the majority of good primaries in the game. The barrier to entry is arguably the same as pulse rifles and they really didn't need the buff they got. So why the exotic hand cannons remain just as strong as ever is baffling. The current bungie team doesn't know how to balance. They just go off of what we use and move numbers around without thinking about what the numbers mean. For instance, the auto rifle nerfs effectively removed any competition that the hand cannons did have and have given shotgunners almost free reign over cqc. The flow of the current pvp system, while enjoyable at times, completely favors weapons that perform well on the go. The ammo nerf helped lessen specials to an extent, but now bungie has to consider what to do about the nearly non-existent sniper rifle population. Good thinking again...
I love my Suros. I've doubled my kills in the Crucible and I can hold my own in Crota. Yes I wish the damage was a little better but overall it's still one of the better ARs.
The youtuber Mr Fruit perfectly defined the focused fire perk guns as water guns. I'm sorry to say but it is true as you feel it is spitting rounds more than firing them with any power, and Bungie need to fix this.
I got my Suros Regime after 1.1.1, about 3 weeks before Xur sold it. In one Crucible encounter, I was almost dead when I got the last hit, and the Suros perk had a Red Death effect, regaining all of my health. This is one of my favorite Exotics, and 1.1.1 is all but a joke to me. Although, Luke Smith did say that they wanted each weapon to 'have its age', so that could mean a serious hand canon nerf and huge auto rifle buff in the near future. Fingers crossed!
three quick questions I hope you answer: 1 are you guys expecting to have a podcast with deej again in the future? 2 what sort of new types of video are you planning to do in the future? 3 when and where can I watch the ToO stream on the 22nd?
Amer Turkistani 1. We can hope2. Besides new HoW content, you can expect the usual reviews, comparisons, podcasts, etc. 3. twitch.tv/Bungie on April 29th
The year 2 suros regime has the spinning up upgrade meaning the longer you hold the trigger the faster it fires with speed and stability it's a good auto rifle to me . Plus it heals a large portion of health making it perfect for mid range PVE
completely agreed with the review of this AR! Not sure what Bungie was thinking nerfing all these ARs. Suros used to be one of my favorite weapon, but now, it just simply can not hang. I tried using this in a ROC strike, but quickly switch to another weapon after about 7-8 minutes due to the Suros not dealing enough damage to get the actual kill. It was sooooo sad that this gun has a hard time killing a level 26 enemy in the hands of a level 32 guardian. Bungie, please buff the ARs in this game(especially the Necrocasm)!!
They should make thorn 300 and lessen the damage of it's perk, Bungie always nerf good full auto weapons like Suros/Vex and look past the HCs being OP. True, even HCs have their downsides, but now some of them are just too OP, especially thorn.
An underrated alternative to Suros Regime in PVP is the Cydonia AR3 (as long as it has the Focus Fire perk). You'd be surprised at how effective an Uncommon rifle can do such damage. Just keep it out of Iron Banner.
I had been chasing the Suros for months, by the time I finally got it, she was a shell of what she used to be. Now it's just another exotic collecting dust in my vault. Bungie was a bit harsh with the nerf imo.
Destiny was one of the best communitys out there when we actually had content I remember the good old days of the Alpha and full launch of the game and even right before CE came out.
Man Planet Destiny has the best reviews I like how he digests the guns and how it works for PVP and PVE. And what works on the guns and what doesn't. Keep up the awesome job.
This is my favorite auto rifle. I cry because Bungie not only nerfed SUROS, but also ALL auto rifles. Now it saddens me to try and use scout rifles/hand cannons.
The reload speed could be helped with the Hunter's Chain of Woe since it could easily get headshot. Also helped by having armor that increases reload speed on Auto Rifles. But that's all that can be helped, everything else is in the hands of RNGesus.
Bungie owes us a damn apology. They nerfed Suros and auto rifles because that's all anyone used. Now EVERYONE uses hand cannons in crucible.... They tried to fix one thing but didn't think about the other.. kinda like the situation of scout rifles and hand cannons from the beta to release. What the hell Bungie?
Gotta love how Bungie is making some Exotics feel like they are not so exotic. Makes having them feel kind of pointless. I was overjoyed to get it from a Roc Strike. Then they came out with the news "We have some piss babies on our staff that think you guys use ARs and Suros to much so nerf them into the ground and even deeper."
Hoping someone here may have some info for me. my suros regime is upgraded up to the final 3 damage upgrades but none of those 3 completed. I've read base damage is 260 however mine is only at 164. will those last 3 damage upgrades bring it up to 300?
ARs need a buff. This is a joke. It's lost 33% damage on headshots since it was first in the crucible! Utter joke. The only reason we used them in the IB was because the bounty was to use a fucking AR! Restore its range and damage and it'll be back to normal!
Hawkmoon, Thorn, Red Death, TLL, Hand of Crota and Bad Juju is the name of the game now. Sadly. I see plenty of different shotguns, snipers, fusion. Primaries are not at all varied anymore. Suros was not overused back in its prime, it was the undisputed king - but variety was still alive.
Well you better hope you don't come across me, because you can use that all you want, I will beat you 10/10. Thorn is OP ATM and if you're beating people with an unleveled suros, they must be awful players.
+T Ilo I do the same with An Answering Chord. that auto rifle is a God damn beast! seriously auto rifle nerds be damned it can slaughter anything! I use it ll the the and I murder thorn users. still can't best the last word though
The recent update only made even more people use the Thorn, Last Word, and Red Death in PVP. I liked it better when everyone used fusion rifles and shotguns.
Have you ever checked that the glass half full perk has been "nerfed". It works but only on the very bottom of the magazine. The exotic patch that buffed thorn and bad juju nerfed the amount of damage that glass half full does for suros. The way they did this was by letting less bullets feel the effect of the perk so the damage doesn't climb to high levels by the end of the mag.
Hey guys, what perks would you recommend for the suros regime to be as effective as possible in PvP and good all round, although it won't compete with the likes of hand cannons, etc I still live this things for its sheer awesome looks xD
Suros Regimen and all the Auto Rifles should return to the origin! Since Pulse Rifles have been buffed and Hand Cannons have been nerfed a bit on effectiveness, there was no need to nerf the Auto Rifles, their are no more even an option! Bringing back the old ARs will make the game more varius and balanced! Also with that +10% on AR's impact the Exotic ones will be nearest to Vex's effectiveness (since this gun is the only AR, yes AR! That worth it), keep doing the Vex the best option in certain situations!
Well... I just got the Suros Regime from the exotic chest on Vog (Meanwhile, someone got a Hawkmoon and someone else a Ghorn) Honestly, I had big hopes for it, I was like, "An AR with slow rate of fire and high impact with 2 additional damage perks!? Fu** yes!!!" Well, I wasn't a fan of AR in the first place and people say that the 1.1.1 patch killed ARs... So I just left it at the storage. Let's hope that Bungie revives ARs. Scout rifles FTW!!!
I think it is an absolute crime what Bungie did to auto rifles. Their logic was to make weapons more balanced but instead they straight up alienated auto rifle users like myself forcing us to use guns that we don't like. An unusable exotic of any kind is just inexcusable, I really hope Bungie fixes this issue at the very least in PVE.
Dang thats a bummer. So do u guys know if they are doing anything with clans. Making a ranking system within a clan more than just admin and clanmate. Or some reward system those who participate heavily in their clan. Or maybe clan wars on pvp.
austin rock Yeah, but that's the only "product" they offer in the game. If Apple only made one product, the iphone, we'd probably call it an Apple also. a slightly different example but also to the point, even though myriad companies make it now, many people refer tissue paper as Kleenex because it was the first commercial maker of the product in the US. The product is tissue paper, Kleenex is the brand.
Kyle Lawerence That is actually false. The Regime is not the only Suros weapon in the game. There are some rare Crucible weapons that are the same brand.
They do what they want whats sad is now pulse rifles are crazy good its almost like they want us to play the game the way they want im pretty sure most people agree they need to buff auto rifles again
Bungie ruined ARs & Vex. This game has been so watered down its just not as fun anymore. The crucible is the most unbalanced PVP experience I've ever seen. Not having a raid in HOW was the nail in the coffin for me. RIP Destiny.
Trill Ridah bungie will still be tuning the weapons so it is likely that ARs will get a buff probably in the future and second do you want a broken raid? bungie will release another raid by the end of this year and it will probably be free to those who bought house of wolves DLC.I would rather have a raid which isn't broken.
There will be aa raid, just not released with the HoW. I personally am going to keep playing to find out where the game goes too. I recommend you wait before ruling out playing this game.
That's true. I think everything was fine b4. And I don't mind if people keep using special ammo. Bungie ruined everything... The random system is broken, in crucible, I hate hawkmoon. They just two shot kill me every time. And in HoW, there will have no raid, I think I will rather than playing a broken raid than playing a raid for 50+ times. I have to admit, Crota's end raid is fun. The graphic is awesome, same as VOG. I was playing the Crota's end at the first minute it available. First time, I said, it's amazing! Forth time, I said, well, it' still fun and beautiful. Tenth time, I said, goddamn let me finish the raid as fast as possible and give ,e the hawkmoon (only exotic I'm missing) so I don't have to play it any more. If they can, plz give us one raid or some new content every month or just said destiny is a pvp game, if it's so, plz fix those fucking lag... If it's a pve game, plz give us some new content and some logical stories. I thought daily mission is some kind of special mission that off the story line at the beginning... So choose a side, bungie. Pvp or pve?
why not both? why settle for just one? we need better story (or a story) with cool missions that are not repetitive but fun and for PvP i definitely agree with you on lag, it is frustrating when you kill a guardian then he should have been dead but then he kills you, you don't know how much pain that gave me.
Yeh, both would be the best but can they make it? U know bungie is super lazy and I don't think they have that ability to get both thing done. And I know how much pain that is. I'm a shotgun user in pvp. Most of the time, it's clearly I shot them first (0.5-1 sec b4 them) and end up with both of us die at the same time...or in 1 v 2 situation I waste too much time on that lag dude and end up with losing
If it is is true bungie wants us to use autos in a close range scenario here is what should be done. Auto rifles recieve a 1% damage buff in general which is not bad but however to make them have a roll and balance the meta. Autos do 3.5% more damage when hitting from 10 meters or lower. This is not op because you get outgunned by guns with more range but you are the best gun to use in coc situations. Thoughts?
I was okay with what Bungie did with the other guns with exception to the AR's. They absolutely didn't need to be nerfed. The AR's should be restored. I love the Suros Regime yet, I find myself using it less and less.
This. Auto rifles were not OP any more. After the Dark Below released, auto rifles were freaking balanced. Easy to use and overly common but balanced. Not anymore.
Pro tip. I recently learned using Suros. Dont upgrade it if you are using it for pvp.... The gun without the focused fire is just like grim citizen and shadow price....
John Palcon yeah, use the vanquisher. That thing is relativly rare in the Crucible, but can deal a good amount of damage and has a higher rate of fire than the Suros has. In high level PvP events it that thing great too. 300 points of damage with headshots on Hive folks brings them down really, really quickly.
Shame Bungie killed the auto-rifles to encourage variety. It just ended up with the Crucible full of Thorns, Last Words and Red Deaths - and shotties everywhere.
I see your confusion with red death😂. It looks like an auto rifle and has the same animations as an auto rifle but if you've ever looked at the mag and ammo amount area you'd notice its a pulse rifle logo. And in the kill cam after death it still says red death and then the pulse rifle symbol.
I always playing with Suros in PvP and I am in the top of the leaderboards. It's become a skill weapon, and you can make very good games even after the 1.1.1 patch.
Hey quick question, when the comet expansion releases, will we need to have the original "Destiny" game to access the content? Or will comet have its own disk? The reason I'm asking is because I am thinking about upgrading to the ps4 for the comet release
Buff ARS with low range and impact up the impact on hard light, Atheons epilogue and etc by 3.5-5.0 percent impact buff Higher impact like suros by 2.4-4.0 percent impact buff
Really, I don't think this gun needs it's power back. It's one of the most over-used guns I've seen in the Crucible. However, Anything that's easy to use and powerful is gonna be the most popular, that's just how it is. I could agree on refunding it's last ~3% damage drop and apply that to nerf to Pulse rifles in the hopes that Red Death becomes a slightly less overused weapon as well. I think that'd be fair.
Surprisingly there is a weapon that overpowers against all odds power. It has a slower fire rate than AGO but it is an uncommon weapon. Mainly useful for PvP.
How the mighty have fallen. Bungie seriously needs to restore ARs in general back to their pre 1.1.1. state. The only reason they were used as much as the were was because the Iron Banner bounty called for them to be used, not because they were overpowered.
Please Bungie! Auto rifles are the new pulse rifles.
***** Use the mytho
Charlie Bartlett And yet every Iron Banner prior to the last one had a AUTO RIFLE Headshot bounty. If you don't honestly think that has something to do with the dramatic increase in AR usage in PVP, you're sorely mistaken.
***** Auto rifles were way over used in PVP and it's not because of the bounty. Just think about how many of them you'd find in one crucible match, it was annoying to say the least.
***** I wouldn't say it was the bounty, more the fact that scout rifles weren't good for short range and rapid fire encounters, and the majority of pulse rifles you could find had about 5 impact.
They never should have nerfed auto rifles. They should have made the suros maybe 1 more shot to kill but made the pulse rifle buff ALONGSIDE the auto rifles. Not nerf them to oblivion. Now pulse rifles/Hand cannons dominate
No red death and a couple of other pulse rifles dominate if you've ever used bad juju you know what I mean
PLATINUM SILV3R That's the wholy point of Regime Suros sucking more than other Auto Rifles, this 1 more shot to kill is the difference
True
Felipe Thiago Exactly! I keep having to make that point only to have the response be "well, if you know how to use it, this is not a problem..." but as Patrick said in the vid, time-to-kill is the thing you have to consider
Hand cannons have always dominated
The problem with buffing the AR's again is finding a healthy medium. I don't think anyone would want AR's to be as overpowered again as they were in launch, but we don't want them to be as poor as they are now. Bungie needs to find a good spot where Pulse Rifles are sitting on now.
They were never really that overpowered. Auto rifles are just very easy to use so everyone on Destiny used them because most people suck at this game. Hand cannons and scout rifles were still superior before.
True enough. I guess I'm talking more so about Suros. It's powerful AND easy to use. I do believe Suros needs to be some sort of powerhouse, but not as op as it was during launch. It needs to be better than most if not all auto rifles (being an exotic and all) and it needs to be more powerful than the majority of legendaries to an extent, but not "This is the only weapon I need to get 30+ kills on the crucible" op.
ARs weren' op is just that they were most viable choice for pvp, along with hand cannons now that pulse rifles got the buff they needed i think its safe to say that if bugie brings back the auto rifles to there former glory there will be more diversity
They weren't overpowered, it's just that everyone used them
What Not To Do agree 👍
"Slow firing wet noodle"
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I am the only one around who thinks that all exotics should have elemental damage ?
I think more primary's should have elemental, because right now our options are kinda low
No they should, thus making anything relevant for those epic modifier shields
Agreed. It seems like if they had elemental damage theyd be a more reliable in nightfall and a wider range of exotics would be used to suit the need. Like an arc burn nightfall with light switch with an arc mida multi tool would be ideal or something along those lines.
Chase Pullifrone Some ideas:
Hard Light: Arc
Monte Carlo: Solar
Suros Regime: Arc
Thorn: Void
The Last Word: Solar
Hawkmoon: Arc
Bad Juju: Void
Red Death: Solar
MIDA Multi-Tool: Arc
CrimsonAoi It's used to be Arc. And it was called Arcus Regime ^^
*Full review:* planetdestiny.com/suros-regime
The Regime is still one of the best ARs in the game, but until ARs are improved in general, it's probably best to use something else.
It is one of the easiest-to-control auto rifles in the game though, so if you're an AR fan, this is definitely a decent option in PvP.
In PvE we can't recommend it. As a primary Exotic in PvE, the only word that can be used to describe it is.. disappointing. Unless you stubbornly love it - and with its look, who could blame you? - you're better off using almost any other Primary, Special, or Heavy Exotic.
In PvP, it can still hang with the pack, while no longer being the weapon of choice for those who top the leaderboards. Its unfortunate that its trajectory has been straight down since its introduction, but we have high hopes SUROS might one day return to the limelight.
PlanetDestiny Honestly, I still like the Suros a lot. The best way to bring back the auto rifles is to increase the damage to get back at least half of what they took away. The range nerf was necessary, as many people were quite annoyed with how many times they were "sniped" from across a long distance with Suros and many other auto rifles.
Auto rifles have to be fixed i miss using them and how easy they were to control
Nice going bungie
PlanetDestiny Do we know for sure they are gonna get buffed? I really hope they do ARs are my favorite weapon
PlanetDestiny Before 1.1.1, I wouldn't even TOUCH scout rifles or handcannons. Now that 1.1.1 has been out for a while, AR's has been hit SO hard, that scout rifles are my primary and from timw to time I use hand cannons and pulse rifles. R.I.P suros regime, you were my go to.
In other words : Bungie killed the SUROS Regime big time.
bungie needs to SIMPLY buff ARs as they were when the game launched, and its all good
While I normally give Bungie props for getting most weapon classes to operate pretty closely to how they operate in real life, I cannot do the for auto rifles. ARs should be the most devastating weapon class in game for mid to close range battle both in pvp and over. Seriously these weapons should absolutely shred everything they're aimed at.
Would the Last word be better than Suros in crucible now?
Diegoal Costa in my opinion an easy Yes.
Yes
Diegoal Costa I'd use it over the Regime, yeah
Thanks
Diegoal Costa congrats on the league
The "Sad Regime" as Mr. Fruit would say :3
Just as a point of reference, the NL Shadow 701X Scout Rifle (Random Crucible Drop) with full auto and 12 less shots has roughly the same ROF and does more damage than the Suros Regime with Focused Fire........
Talking about Nostalgia,
Suros got me through my first ever Vault of Shards. It may be broken, beat and scarred but it's still my favourite Auto Rifle. Can't wait for its eventual fix.
Really hope Bungie watches this video
i wish bungie would switch the focused fire perk with the perk that gives u extra accuracy while shooting from the hip
Jacob Reddy Or give you the choice :D
i love your videos , but which gun is better, red death or suros regime. im a pvp with a litttle pve person
Jacob Reddy soon bungie will patch the AR's and I expect to see autos take their place back and probably number 2 or 3.
Jacob Reddy Red Death is by far the better choice right now... But after Update 2.0 I'm guessing they'll be on equal terms and it'll be up to preference.
I still keep mine, in the vault, hoping it will be restored to its original glory.
As a collector I only picked it up from Current last week. No need to upgraded it past the Suros perk. Thank you for the review!
Bring back AR and nerf that fucking fellwinters lie!
and also handcannon
PPG-player playsgame Nah, handcannons are skill weapons. Only good if you know how to use them
Jesse Forsell Feliwinter Sniper!!
Then, I will know u r a handcannon fan and u getting killed by felwinter's a lot. But there is one handcannon need a fix. It is hawkmoon. I don't know why but every hawkmoon can hit that one random bullet on me and kill me in one sec.... It should be one bullet every 4 shot instead of every two....
Jesse Forsell This is a bullshit statement. Last Word straight whoops and Hawkmoon/Thorn both outclass the majority of good primaries in the game. The barrier to entry is arguably the same as pulse rifles and they really didn't need the buff they got. So why the exotic hand cannons remain just as strong as ever is baffling.
The current bungie team doesn't know how to balance. They just go off of what we use and move numbers around without thinking about what the numbers mean.
For instance, the auto rifle nerfs effectively removed any competition that the hand cannons did have and have given shotgunners almost free reign over cqc.
The flow of the current pvp system, while enjoyable at times, completely favors weapons that perform well on the go. The ammo nerf helped lessen specials to an extent, but now bungie has to consider what to do about the nearly non-existent sniper rifle population. Good thinking again...
"A sad, wet noodle" I laughed way to hard when you said that
I love my Suros. I've doubled my kills in the Crucible and I can hold my own in Crota. Yes I wish the damage was a little better but overall it's still one of the better ARs.
Another great in-depth review, thanks for the videos Planetdestiny !
SUROS is still my #1 PvP weapon, #2 being Hawkmoon, and #3 being Vex
Well clearly you have brain damage if you still like shitty regime
Its not shitty kid. If you actually used it in pvp you would realize it destroys everyone
The youtuber Mr Fruit perfectly defined the focused fire perk guns as water guns. I'm sorry to say but it is true as you feel it is spitting rounds more than firing them with any power, and Bungie need to fix this.
Every time I use this weapon I feel as though I'm a 7 year old kid having a water gun fight in his back garden
I got my Suros Regime after 1.1.1, about 3 weeks before Xur sold it. In one Crucible encounter, I was almost dead when I got the last hit, and the Suros perk had a Red Death effect, regaining all of my health. This is one of my favorite Exotics, and 1.1.1 is all but a joke to me. Although, Luke Smith did say that they wanted each weapon to 'have its age', so that could mean a serious hand canon nerf and huge auto rifle buff in the near future. Fingers crossed!
"Skilled weapons like hand cannons".... If only they could have known what the crucible would become today.
three quick questions I hope you answer:
1 are you guys expecting to have a podcast with deej again in the future?
2 what sort of new types of video are you planning to do in the future?
3 when and where can I watch the ToO stream on the 22nd?
Amer Turkistani 1. We can hope2. Besides new HoW content, you can expect the usual reviews, comparisons, podcasts, etc.
3. twitch.tv/Bungie on April 29th
The year 2 suros regime has the spinning up upgrade meaning the longer you hold the trigger the faster it fires with speed and stability it's a good auto rifle to me . Plus it heals a large portion of health making it perfect for mid range PVE
This just dropped for me on Dragon Vanguard! I have to say, this is as miraculous as I had hoped. Its just a fun gun to use.
ARs work perfectly fine they do enough damage, people say they're terrible now because they don't melt people. They now actually require skill to use
You're going to be outclassed by anyone with a Thorn he says. That's every weapon in the game.
completely agreed with the review of this AR! Not sure what Bungie was thinking nerfing all these ARs. Suros used to be one of my favorite weapon, but now, it just simply can not hang. I tried using this in a ROC strike, but quickly switch to another weapon after about 7-8 minutes due to the Suros not dealing enough damage to get the actual kill. It was sooooo sad that this gun has a hard time killing a level 26 enemy in the hands of a level 32 guardian. Bungie, please buff the ARs in this game(especially the Necrocasm)!!
They should make thorn 300 and lessen the damage of it's perk, Bungie always nerf good full auto weapons like Suros/Vex and look past the HCs being OP. True, even HCs have their downsides, but now some of them are just too OP, especially thorn.
An underrated alternative to Suros Regime in PVP is the Cydonia AR3 (as long as it has the Focus Fire perk). You'd be surprised at how effective an Uncommon rifle can do such damage. Just keep it out of Iron Banner.
I had been chasing the Suros for months, by the time I finally got it, she was a shell of what she used to be. Now it's just another exotic collecting dust in my vault. Bungie was a bit harsh with the nerf imo.
Destiny was one of the best communitys out there when we actually had content I remember the good old days of the Alpha and full launch of the game and even right before CE came out.
RED DEATH is one of my favorite guns in the game next to LAST WORD
For the Suros you can treat it like a scout rifle to shoot faster
Man Planet Destiny has the best reviews I like how he digests the guns and how it works for PVP and PVE. And what works on the guns and what doesn't. Keep up the awesome job.
Ok should I upgrade to slower but more damage perk but I think it will slow me down in crucible so should I?
The problem with the patch was that ARs weren't doing too much damage but because Pulse Rifles weren't doing enough damage
Hope ARs get re-buffed
Question: is it me? Or does bladedancer not generate as much orbs of light as the other classes?
It's sad. Suros sit in my vault collecting dust :( this weapon was once a legend amongst guardians and was as desirable as gjallarhorn.
This is my favorite auto rifle. I cry because Bungie not only nerfed SUROS, but also ALL auto rifles. Now it saddens me to try and use scout rifles/hand cannons.
The reload speed could be helped with the Hunter's Chain of Woe since it could easily get headshot. Also helped by having armor that increases reload speed on Auto Rifles. But that's all that can be helped, everything else is in the hands of RNGesus.
Bungie owes us a damn apology. They nerfed Suros and auto rifles because that's all anyone used. Now EVERYONE uses hand cannons in crucible.... They tried to fix one thing but didn't think about the other.. kinda like the situation of scout rifles and hand cannons from the beta to release. What the hell Bungie?
Gotta love how Bungie is making some Exotics feel like they are not so exotic. Makes having them feel kind of pointless. I was overjoyed to get it from a Roc Strike. Then they came out with the news "We have some piss babies on our staff that think you guys use ARs and Suros to much so nerf them into the ground and even deeper."
I'm using Suros in IB without issue. Sure, it doesn't have the TTK it used to, but if wielded properly it is still a deadly weapon.
Hoping someone here may have some info for me. my suros regime is upgraded up to the final 3 damage upgrades but none of those 3 completed. I've read base damage is 260 however mine is only at 164. will those last 3 damage upgrades bring it up to 300?
ARs need a buff. This is a joke. It's lost 33% damage on headshots since it was first in the crucible! Utter joke. The only reason we used them in the IB was because the bounty was to use a fucking AR! Restore its range and damage and it'll be back to normal!
T Ilo no people used it because it was op as fuck
OP?! No. The last word is OP, suros was just a very good gun. It's time to kill was always more than TLW and thorn.
Hawkmoon, Thorn, Red Death, TLL, Hand of Crota and Bad Juju is the name of the game now. Sadly.
I see plenty of different shotguns, snipers, fusion. Primaries are not at all varied anymore. Suros was not overused back in its prime, it was the undisputed king - but variety was still alive.
Well you better hope you don't come across me, because you can use that all you want, I will beat you 10/10. Thorn is OP ATM and if you're beating people with an unleveled suros, they must be awful players.
+T Ilo I do the same with An Answering Chord. that auto rifle is a God damn beast!
seriously auto rifle nerds be damned it can slaughter anything! I use it ll the the and I murder thorn users. still can't best the last word though
Conclusion, just don't upgrade it, stay with the bullet perks and you are good to go
The recent update only made even more people use the Thorn, Last Word, and Red Death in PVP. I liked it better when everyone used fusion rifles and shotguns.
Bring back SUROS!
Have you ever checked that the glass half full perk has been "nerfed". It works but only on the very bottom of the magazine. The exotic patch that buffed thorn and bad juju nerfed the amount of damage that glass half full does for suros. The way they did this was by letting less bullets feel the effect of the perk so the damage doesn't climb to high levels by the end of the mag.
Crucible meta would've been better if they left ARs alone after buffing the other weapons. People literally traded in their ARs for pulse rifles.
Pulse Rifles are the new Old Autorifles. Autorifles are the new Old pulse rifles.
Datto did the math, focused fire is good
Field choke and hammer forge will be op in ttk sense they putting damage to normal but less range making two range buffs op in ttk
Hey guys, what perks would you recommend for the suros regime to be as effective as possible in PvP and good all round, although it won't compete with the likes of hand cannons, etc I still live this things for its sheer awesome looks xD
SiTheBugski Hammer Forged & SDC
Thank you so much!!
Just got it, Xur is selling it in the reef July 31st-Aug 2nd
Where is that wall you do target practice on?
Suros Regimen and all the Auto Rifles should return to the origin!
Since Pulse Rifles have been buffed and Hand Cannons have been nerfed a bit on effectiveness, there was no need to nerf the Auto Rifles, their are no more even an option!
Bringing back the old ARs will make the game more varius and balanced!
Also with that +10% on AR's impact the Exotic ones will be nearest to Vex's effectiveness (since this gun is the only AR, yes AR! That worth it), keep doing the Vex the best option in certain situations!
Was lucky to get this in a ROC strike yesterday. Pretty fun gun to use.
Well... I just got the Suros Regime from the exotic chest on Vog (Meanwhile, someone got a Hawkmoon and someone else a Ghorn)
Honestly, I had big hopes for it, I was like, "An AR with slow rate of fire and high impact with 2 additional damage perks!? Fu** yes!!!"
Well, I wasn't a fan of AR in the first place and people say that the 1.1.1 patch killed ARs... So I just left it at the storage.
Let's hope that Bungie revives ARs.
Scout rifles FTW!!!
It's pretty good after 2.0 and 2.1, wow a lot has changed for autos
I think it is an absolute crime what Bungie did to auto rifles. Their logic was to make weapons more balanced but instead they straight up alienated auto rifle users like myself forcing us to use guns that we don't like. An unusable exotic of any kind is just inexcusable, I really hope Bungie fixes this issue at the very least in PVE.
you are spot on i dont get why they want us to use what less people use these auto rifle nerfs have pissed the community off
I still love my Suros regime in pvp! It's my favorite gun and I think it's actually good in a lot of situations.
Dang thats a bummer. So do u guys know if they are doing anything with clans. Making a ranking system within a clan more than just admin and clanmate. Or some reward system those who participate heavily in their clan. Or maybe clan wars on pvp.
The only good thing about this weapon now is Nostalgia... its just a poor man's Red Death
I bought the Dead Zone Revolution Cloak for my hunter, It looks super badass with Thunderdevil :D Thx Holtzmann
Don't call the Suros Regime the "Suros" call it the Regime, Suros is the brand name, so calling it that is like calling the iPhone the Apple
austin rock You have no idea how much this pisses me off. At least I'm not the only one here.
austin rock Yeah, but that's the only "product" they offer in the game. If Apple only made one product, the iphone, we'd probably call it an Apple also. a slightly different example but also to the point, even though myriad companies make it now, many people refer tissue paper as Kleenex because it was the first commercial maker of the product in the US. The product is tissue paper, Kleenex is the brand.
Kyle Lawerence That is actually false. The Regime is not the only Suros weapon in the game. There are some rare Crucible weapons that are the same brand.
I_AmTheHunter Huh. Well there you go then. I hadn't realized that. Thanks for the info!
You are welcome. I think there are more but the few Crucible rares are the only ones I can think of right now.
Has it changed much in 2.0?
I only use the suros on crota if i need health because I don't have a red death
They do what they want whats sad is now pulse rifles are crazy good its almost like they want us to play the game the way they want im pretty sure most people agree they need to buff auto rifles again
The aesthetics of the Suros Regime remind me of Mass Effect weapons.
Do you think they should have an option to opt out of using focus fire like the abyss defiant?
Barnsey3288 Yeah, options are always good
PlanetDestiny yeah me too. Iv had that idea in my head since the AR nerf. Do you think bungie will have that idea in their heads already?
CrimsonAoi Unless it's legendary
Question anyone out there. What is this weapon like in current pvp. E.g. Need a V3 vid.
Year 1
and
Year 2 versions
As they do seem different.
Suros was great ... now is in my vault and makes sad everytime I see it. Damn you Bungie... Damn you.
Bungie ruined ARs & Vex. This game has been so watered down its just not as fun anymore. The crucible is the most unbalanced PVP experience I've ever seen. Not having a raid in HOW was the nail in the coffin for me. RIP Destiny.
Trill Ridah bungie will still be tuning the weapons so it is likely that ARs will get a buff probably in the future and second do you want a broken raid? bungie will release another raid by the end of this year and it will probably be free to those who bought house of wolves DLC.I would rather have a raid which isn't broken.
There will be aa raid, just not released with the HoW. I personally am going to keep playing to find out where the game goes too. I recommend you wait before ruling out playing this game.
That's true. I think everything was fine b4. And I don't mind if people keep using special ammo. Bungie ruined everything... The random system is broken, in crucible, I hate hawkmoon. They just two shot kill me every time. And in HoW, there will have no raid, I think I will rather than playing a broken raid than playing a raid for 50+ times. I have to admit, Crota's end raid is fun. The graphic is awesome, same as VOG. I was playing the Crota's end at the first minute it available. First time, I said, it's amazing! Forth time, I said, well, it' still fun and beautiful. Tenth time, I said, goddamn let me finish the raid as fast as possible and give ,e the hawkmoon (only exotic I'm missing) so I don't have to play it any more. If they can, plz give us one raid or some new content every month or just said destiny is a pvp game, if it's so, plz fix those fucking lag... If it's a pve game, plz give us some new content and some logical stories. I thought daily mission is some kind of special mission that off the story line at the beginning... So choose a side, bungie. Pvp or pve?
why not both? why settle for just one? we need better story (or a story) with cool missions that are not repetitive but fun and for PvP i definitely agree with you on lag, it is frustrating when you kill a guardian then he should have been dead but then he kills you, you don't know how much pain that gave me.
Yeh, both would be the best but can they make it? U know bungie is super lazy and I don't think they have that ability to get both thing done. And I know how much pain that is. I'm a shotgun user in pvp. Most of the time, it's clearly I shot them first (0.5-1 sec b4 them) and end up with both of us die at the same time...or in 1 v 2 situation I waste too much time on that lag dude and end up with losing
If it is is true bungie wants us to use autos in a close range scenario here is what should be done. Auto rifles recieve a 1% damage buff in general which is not bad but however to make them have a roll and balance the meta. Autos do 3.5% more damage when hitting from 10 meters or lower. This is not op because you get outgunned by guns with more range but you are the best gun to use in coc situations. Thoughts?
150 likes 0 dislikes good job👍
Hi. When are you going to upload your coming video?
how do you get all these exotics?
Hearing this kind of hurts. Bungie need to actually balance all the weapons
I was okay with what Bungie did with the other guns with exception to the AR's. They absolutely didn't need to be nerfed. The AR's should be restored. I love the Suros Regime yet, I find myself using it less and less.
This. Auto rifles were not OP any more. After the Dark Below released, auto rifles were freaking balanced. Easy to use and overly common but balanced. Not anymore.
Pro tip. I recently learned using Suros. Dont upgrade it if you are using it for pvp.... The gun without the focused fire is just like grim citizen and shadow price....
Then it's not worth the exotic slot when you could use those.
Or the vanquisher viii
John Palcon yeah, use the vanquisher. That thing is relativly rare in the Crucible, but can deal a good amount of damage and has a higher rate of fire than the Suros has. In high level PvP events it that thing great too. 300 points of damage with headshots on Hive folks brings them down really, really quickly.
The next video, Auto rifles: are they still relevant
Shame Bungie killed the auto-rifles to encourage variety. It just ended up with the Crucible full of Thorns, Last Words and Red Deaths - and shotties everywhere.
Well spoken and informative as usual.
:( what used to be a 10/10 in PVP is now an 8/10 this weapon is still my faveriot gun but I miss it I really hope they buff ARs I really miss them
Hey the red death and the Monte Carlo are probably the top auto rifles in PvP since they have good firepower.
I see your confusion with red death😂. It looks like an auto rifle and has the same animations as an auto rifle but if you've ever looked at the mag and ammo amount area you'd notice its a pulse rifle logo. And in the kill cam after death it still says red death and then the pulse rifle symbol.
I always playing with Suros in PvP and I am in the top of the leaderboards. It's become a skill weapon, and you can make very good games even after the 1.1.1 patch.
I just noticed that the suros in the thumbnail looks different than the actual suros.
Suros: NO!! IM TERRIBLE
Vex: ayy lmao.
watching this for nostalgia.
Hey quick question, when the comet expansion releases, will we need to have the original "Destiny" game to access the content? Or will comet have its own disk? The reason I'm asking is because I am thinking about upgrading to the ps4 for the comet release
Buff ARS with low range and impact up the impact on hard light, Atheons epilogue and etc by 3.5-5.0 percent impact buff
Higher impact like suros by 2.4-4.0 percent impact buff
What do you mean the now retired Grim Citizen III? I've never once put that in my vault and it will be the first gun I upgrade when the HoW comes out.
moises rodriguez Video was published before we knew about Ascending
Really, I don't think this gun needs it's power back. It's one of the most over-used guns I've seen in the Crucible. However, Anything that's easy to use and powerful is gonna be the most popular, that's just how it is. I could agree on refunding it's last ~3% damage drop and apply that to nerf to Pulse rifles in the hopes that Red Death becomes a slightly less overused weapon as well. I think that'd be fair.
Surprisingly there is a weapon that overpowers against all odds power. It has a slower fire rate than AGO but it is an uncommon weapon. Mainly useful for PvP.
Huzaifa Patel Xerxes-C right? Yeah
PlanetDestiny Yes :)
If you get focused fire on it, it will 2 shot in pvp
I got that yesterday but it doesn't seem to work
I found one but I hasn't had the focused perk :/