Did the witch of Endor really call up Samuel?
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- Did the witch of Endor really call up Samuel, and does this story prove that dead souls live outside of the body?
The Bible talks about how Saul obtained help from a witch to try to communicate with the spirit of Samuel. This particular event is used to support the belief that disembodied spirits remain alive after their body dies. Many people also believe the spirit or soul of the dead go immediately to heaven or hell. However, that’s not what the Bible says.
As we look at the events of Saul and the witch of Endor I see three possible scenarios.
1. The first scenario is that it was actually the spirit of Samuel that was raised up by the witch. This is the most popular understanding, but I think it has the most problems, and we will see why in a moment.
2. The second possibility is that the witch summoned a demon that pretended to be Samuel. This is quite possible since witches gain power through demons, and the Bible even says she had a “familiar spirit”, which most likely refers to a demon.
3. And the third possible scenario is that there was no spirit at all and the witch simply tricked Saul to get back at him for banishing the necromancers from the kingdom. Considering other things that are said in the Bible, I think this is also very likely, and we will look at those things as well.
Keep those three scenarios in mind as we look at the Scriptures that deal with these issues.
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Thank goodness I'm a Bible believing Christian (Authorised King James Version only) , not affiliated with any church. Therefore whenever confusing doctrine or views that conflict, are presented, I turn to the Scripture. Scipture says it was *_Samuel_* who spoke to Saul. Therefore it was Samuel. Only YHWH has the knowledge to know Saul would die the next day - no demon pretender would know that. Thus YHWH allowed Samuel to come up from Sheol (not hell, he was in a different part of Sheol, in the bosom of Abraham), to give Saul his verdict. The witch necromancer was obviously petrified, because she had in fact never expected to actually see Samuel appear. Always read the Scripture as it states plainly, and do not look for hidden meanings, when the truth is plain to see.
Your speaking unscriptural nonsense!
No I'm sorry its not that obvious
@@cesarmolina2328 What, specifically, is not that obvious ?
Totally agree. Read the text plainly. It says Samuel spoke and the witch of endor was afraid. Saul had to perceive the meaning before Samuel actually stood before him because Saul didn't have God's spirit to know. And Samuel came up from the grave...as Jesus mentions to the thief on the cross would be with him in paradise, which also confirms Jesus having first descended before he ascended Ephesians 4:8-10. This is where Samuel was brought up from.
Yes read the Bible, the Bible does not lie. But this video proves that without the correct lenses, it can be easily misinterpreted. We view the Holy Scriptures through the lens of tradition, a tradition that was passed down to us by the Apostles who had very special insight into interpreting scripture due to the personal and direct relationship they held with our Lord when he walked the Earth in flesh . You must remember, how much of the early church practices of the Apostles and other disciples, (who were bishops and priests, disproving the whole nO pRiEsThOoD nonsense) were never written or weren’t included in the Bible when the Bible was put together in three sections (The Old Testament, The Four Gospels, The Book of Apostles). This is why I turned away from Protestantism. There are many falsehoods, misinterpretations, and even outright lies that come from Protestants and Catholics. The only Church I have found that is not in conflict with the Prophets, Christ, the Apostles, and the ancient Church Fathers and Mothers is theeEastern Orthodox Church. That is why I believe it to be the true church Christ established with the Apostles.
I read something on this recently that changed my look on it. She knew she was summoning a demon to trick Saul, but God sent the real Samuel instead which is why the witch became terrified and yelled at Saul asking what had he done.
Should have explained this part in the video instead of taking verses out of context...
Exactly. The mental gymnastics where astonishing yet sad to behold on this one.
@@edmundsim6251 which part? Do you believe it was Saul?
Proves that Yahweh is LORD over death!
@@ThaKingzsouljahPR777 Amen.
The Bible says it was Samuel. What gets me is, “when she saw Samuel, she screamed.” Maybe God actually sent Samuel to tell him what was going to happen, because Samuel didn’t give him advice, only the judgement of God upon him and his kingdom. She may have been doing her thing by pretending to see Samuel and then he actually showed up. They only pretended to speak to the dead, not actually bring up their spirit. That’s why I think she screamed when she saw Samuel actually there. It’s just something we could find out one day.
I think the same too, Bible clearly says Samuel said this, Samuel said that….if it was a demon, somewhere in the entire Bible God would have revealed that it was a demon, He did not….imagine this ….Saul was a directly chosen king by God, he needed help , Samuel was dead, because of his disobedience God did not respond to Saul….God is not going abandon Saul for that disobedience completely, correct ? Consequences of his disobedience has already began by making David king, right ? I strongly believe it was Samuel came up to speak to Saul which God allowed. Amen !!
Agreed. Scripture says directly that it was Samuel. The witch didn't even realize it was King Saul asking her to bring up someone _until after_ Samuel responded. She screamed when she saw Samuel. She saw a divine being (an elohim) coming up. Hades or the underworld had a place of torment for the wicked and also a place of rest for the righteous as we see in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus and Father Abraham. When we die in this age we either go to rest or into torment. (After Jesus' crucifixion he went to Hades to preach/proclaim to disobedient departed spirits from the time of Noah; they were still there and conscious, able to be preached to. Jesus also 'led the captives free' which I believe is referring to the righteous like Father Abraham and Lazarus.) Samuel very well could have come up from his rest and did according to scripture.
1 Samuel 15:35 says that Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death... I believe this is refers to this incident. Consorting with the witch only showed the desperation and extent of rebellion Saul had fallen into. God allowed Samuel to manifest and the witch had no power to make this happen. That’s why she was surprised.
How is he going to explain this one...? huh
My thoughts exactly. I couldn't have said it any better..👏🏾👏🏾
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hey brother, does the verse explain that Samuel did not see Saul until the day of Samuel's death (not Saul's death).... Samuel went and asked the people if there were any offence against him, before he died.
It never seemed plausible that God would allow a witch to compel His own dead servant to obey her and affirm her power -- essentially glorifying her. No way! The second two scenariors are plausible. Thanks for carefully unpacking this. Sadly, this evil practice is popular today.
It didn't glorify her, she became afraid and most likely didn't so it again. The bible says it was samuel.
Why is it that many christians still do not understand the legal system of creation.
That's spirit was 100% Samuel. And it wasn't because God permitted it.. it was because Satan permitted it.
Great video, I have been saying this for a while. The only thing I noticed you say is Saul saw Samuel but it says Saul couldn't see him only the witch saw him. That's what actually got me to thinking about this, that and that there is no witness.
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Oh yeah been waiting on this! Lets give it a looksie!!😁
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Wow! Bless you Lex
I'm glad I found this video and I'm glad I'm not the only one who was aware of this.
A demon cannot conjure up the spirit of a servant of the Lord.
God would not allow it, Samuel would certainly not respond to the demon ... and as we know, the dead sleep until the resurrection.
Samuel may have arisen with the others at the time that Jesus was resurrected but certainly not before.
I always thought that "familiar" spirits were spirits that appeared to be someone that is "familiar" to a person. But it seems that familiar spirits are spirits that are close to the witch that does the conjuring.
“Familiar spirits” are as you thought; they are demons imitating someone familiar to you to convince you of the lie. They will bring up things that only you, and that family member or friend that has passed away, would know. This is why people are fooled, they are very convincing, but remember, they are powerful, invisible beings that observe you and know things about you and your loved one. These spirits used to be angels that fell for satan’s lies and are now fallen angels; they’ve been in this state for thousands of years.
Hi brother I watched ur video but there is a part in the bible talks about the rich man and Lazarus , how can we view this please and thank fir your time. God bless 🙂
Great video brother lex!
Careful words are to your credit. I have wondered about this event before, and you make a very good case for this being a deception.
Thanks for the insight, and for posting.
Quick answer no it was not samuel.. not only did that spirit claim and gave credit to saul asking him why did you summon me instead of God even saul believed he summoned him when in reality no human has power to summon a dead love one.. also God forbids communicating with the dead so God is not going break His own law for anyone.. also that spirit didn't tell Saul anything he didn't already know telling him God turned away from you.. also saul was not killed by the enemy like the spirit said instead saul lost all hope and commuted suicide
Avalon D ...Then why was the witch scared when she realized it WAS Samuel? She wouldn't have been scared since she was used to bringing up familiar spirits...Samuel prophesied that Saul and his son would be with him tomorrow...Evil spirits CAN NOT predict the future...Saul realized GOD wasn't answering him so that's why he asked for Samuel...In the Hebrew, it WAS Samuel...Just throwing that out bro...Shalom
2: Avalon D,
Re: > "Quick answer no it was not samuel."
Pastor Lex said the same thing. Apparently some people need to get their EARS examined. EYES TOO!!
Avalon D ...Samuel didn't tell Saul his enemies were going to kill him; Samuel told Saul that he AND his son was going to be with him tomorrow, which is prophecy...Evil spirits CAN'T predict the future...Only GOD can...And Samuel did mention Saul's son also...And why would the witch get scared when she saw Samuel which she knew quite well, and wouldn't be expecting Samuel but a familiar spirit?? Interesting, huh??!!
Allen Elman ...Maybe a certain few should read and speak Hebrew and read the scriptures as they read...It was Samuel...Period
Gabbyhell Davidson,
Samuel DID NOT SAY ANYTHING YOU BLIND AS BLACKNESS BLIND GUIDE!
IT WAS A DEMON IMPERSONATING Samuel! IF YOU UNDERSTOOD WHAT IS WRITTEN IN Ecclesiastes Chapter 9 verses 3 through 6 YOU would KNOW IT WAS NOT Samuel who appeared. The Catholics ALSO SAY THEIR MOTHER MARY APPEARS TO SOME OF THEM TOO! DO YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT LIE??? YES!! SOMETHING DOES APPEAR & LOOKS LIKE Mary BUT IT IS NOT Mary! It's a DEMON!
Good video 🙏🙏,Only GOD Knows and he has the answers amen.
Actually, He gives us His Word so we can know and not blindly follow pagan ways.
Eccliastics 46:20 proved that Samuel prophesied from the grave.verses 13 to 20 refers to Samuel
It’s Ecclesiastes, and no, there is no 46:20. Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters.
Excellent Overview Brother..BLESS
Awesome brother thx this is great ....
How about 4.) God allowed the spirit of Samuel to remind Saul you're time is up. If God can create life or raise the dead, he can make it possible for spirits of the dead to reveal themselves for HIS purpose
This page is teaching wrong well this video is clearly wrong
The resurrection only happens before the judgement so it’s false
Think with your brain
@@idlewild3389 it wasn’t Samuel
In the Lord Jesus protects us from all of those spirits after we're saved.
Beautiful eplaination of this story which alot of people have wrong good work keep studying and sharing truth
Thanks for this video
I just went back and read the section on Samuel that you are discussing. Your reasons, or arguments to say 1: that the witch tricked him or 2: That the apparition of Samuel was in fact a Demon or a familiar spirit do not follow. Before I go into further, I am not at all condoning the practice of necromancy, or mediumship or any other daemonic practice. However, I have seen many other opinions, and I do believe personally, that this was indeed Samuel, allowed by God in an absolute one off situation. Firstly, what did the witch have to gain? When you read the Bible, you can see she’s clearly terrified even before she knew it was Saul! When she found out it was Saul she was even more terrified. But what got me the most I suppose was that her terror in actually seeing Samuel. The Bible is clear on that particular part. I believe that that rules out that the witch was trying to trick him, she was too afraid for Her own life, and horrified when she saw Samuel. Secondly, as for the argument of the Apparition being a Demon, This is certainly possible, but it does not come across as probable. Note that the apparition of SamuelTold the complete truth too Saul, He informed Saul as what he had done to earn the Lord’s Dis favour and then informed Saul at the following day he was to die. Why would a demon do that? If it really was a Demon, he would be more likely to say something along the lines of “Go on out there tomorrow you will be fine, and you will be on the throne by midnight” or something along those lines. Demons do not tell the truth, or I suppose they called when it suits their purposes but in this case, they would have no purpose to suit. I personally believe that the Lord allowed as an absolutely worn off for Samuel to come back and to tell Saul what he wanted to know. Now having said that, there are still arguments raging over this and again I don’t excuse mediumship or any of that nonsense, because I do know that going to a medium opens up a whole bunch of doors to Demons and yes they are familiar spirits. But I believe that in the case of Samuel it was different. The Lord has his reasons for everything he does, now I could be wrong, but when you see the evidence in the Bible, at no time did we see even a hint that it was a Demon. The author of second Samuel has told the story like it was. God bless brother
Your explanation of this story, Is exactly as my own understanding, I have told people all along that God allowed it on this ONE OFF OCCASION for Samuel to appear, And besides the Bible makes it very clear that it was SAMUEL that appeared
I was reading the book of Luke recently and I stumbled across a passage where Jesus is seen conferring with Elijah and Moses.
" 30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
32 But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him."
If we are asleep after death then how was Jesus speaking with them?
No one will respond to your answer here man you will be ignored because your argument actually proves them wrong unfortunately. lol great point
Elijah was taken away without seen death (in the old testament 2 King 2: 11), and Moses was resurrected, Michael fought for the body of Moses.(Jude 9), Paul mentions in the event of the glorious coming of Christ (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) two thing are going to happen, 1) the resurrection of the death, 2) the caught up of the living. Moses represents group#1, Elijah the latter.
Jesus reveals it...
Matthew 17:9
And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the VISION, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead.”
Good job bro you got me thinking obviously you're on another level than me and I should pay attention to you
No you should not believe every spirit, including the spirit of man.
Which includes Pride etc.
But test the spirits to see if they are of God.
Now in YEHOVAH Father for ourselves, through YESHUA'S Ministry and sacrifice is what matters.
We are responsible for our own relationship with Yeshua/ Jesus and through him, our Father YEHOVAH in heaven, Hallowed be His name😇😇😇
Great channel.
It never ceases to amaze me how believers, already deceived by ha satan concerning the subject of human spirit's, ghosts, and goblins, actually use forbidden witchcraft and the story of the Witch of Endor as their proof. They don't even think twice concerning the fact that their using witchcraft to prove witchcraft! Ha Satan is solely responsible for the inherent human denial of God's curse of death. And the serpent said unto the woman, ''Ye shall not surely die:'' Genesis 3:4
This remark comes from a person who claims that when Messiah died, His flesh was dead and Yeshua had no consciences. If that is the case then Messiah misspoke when He said destroy this temple and in three days "I", He did not say the Father, nor did He say Elohim will raise Him up, He said "I" will raise this temple up. How can Messiah raise Himself if there is no conscience in Him? Messiah said to the Father Into thy hand I commit my Spirit. Stephen utter these same words. To claim that Messiah was un-consciences in the grave is Heresy and distortion of Elohim word. Look what Peter said, For Messiah also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust. in order that He might bring us to Elohim, having been put to death in the Flesh, but made alive in the spirit, in which also He WENT and made proclamation to the Spirits now in prison who were once disobedient when the patience of Elohim kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark. So did Messiah go to the prison and wake up the death just to make a proclamation, or were the spirit of the death conscience? You see what really is going on in the Messianic movement is a secret attempt to discourage the Christians from holding a believe that has nothing to do with salvation, all this movement is concern with knowledge, nothing more, be careful my friends to what there heretics are preaching. Be careful with those who claim that Yeshua is Torah. Yeshua is the voice for Elohim when He walk on earth. Yeshua was before Torah was ever mention.
Patrick Williamson
The concept of necromancers/witches being in league with Satan was totally unknown in this era of the bible history. The Jewish concept of Satan, and his function in the heavenly hierarchy, is not quite the same as the Christians'. Reading modern concepts into ancient writings results in serious misunderstanding. Strive always for truth.
pentirah5 : I certainly understand the importance of sound hermeneutics when studying ancient holy Scripture within its historical relevance. The very fact that Torah forbid covenant Israel from witchcraft confirms that they understood the seriousness of this sin.
Yes, Patrick. But my point is, the specific practice we term witchcraft was unknown to ancient Israel. Using that word in that context gives a false impression of the practice G-d was forbidding. The woman of Endor was not really a witch, in our modern understanding of the word, she was nearer to a necromancer. I am not suggesting either practice is acceptable.
pentirah5 : Your point is very true and so very important. The understanding of the modern term “witchcraft,” as used today, actually diminishes, because of today’s Hollywood and storybook popularity, the seriousness of the curse of God and His need for the death penalty. Death, “surely dead” (Gen. 2:17) is God’s only means for sin’s final and eternal eradication. Praise God that His truth (Messiah) unveils the lies of ha satan while ensuring through faith everlasting life.
“To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.”
Amen!!
Amein!!
That is a misquote of 2 Cor 5:8
YES!!
That's only because we are then in spirit.
Remember Jesus / Yeshua's words to the Sadducees regarding resurrection.
What God said to Moses at the bush, I AM the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, he is not the God of the Dead, but of the LIVING , For ALL live to him.
Luke 20 v 37-38
37Even Moses demonstrates that the dead are raised, in the passage about the burning bush. For he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all are alive.”
Wow you put that together my friend......
Great Video
“We have many lessons to learn, and many, many to unlearn.“
Great proof of correction and great proof of interpretation. Sweet!!!
It was a demon, who accepted the look of the prophet Samuel! Thank You, God bless You! 🕊️🙌🏻
Great video, thx.
I was honestly expecting a Bible/Star Wars crossover fan fiction with this one 😂 but honestly, God bless you for your work and for spreading knowledge bro 🙏🏼
I love your train of thought and have learned so much from your other videos however, if the dead know nothing explain the mountain of transfiguration, hebrews 12:23 and rev 6:9
Good point
It's simple, first at the mountain of transfiguration, The Bible states, the men with Jesus saw a vision. Therefore Moses and Elijah were not physically there, but were seen by a vision only. As for Hebrews 12:23 and Rev 6:9, again a vision for what to happen for The Chosen Jews, (who are chosen to be of the 144,000). As for the word spirit, or souls, that has nothing to do with the dead living! The dead are experiencing nothing as Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 says! However, it mentioned the word (spirits), because it's talking about a future state of being for The Jews! Remember Jesus own words, he said flesh can not enter Heaven! Therefore, in this case, The 144,000, chosen Jews, they are chosen for the purpose of joining Jesus in Heaven! Therefore, they must become spirit beings in order to live in Heaven! But until that time, they will remain in a state of death! Experiencing nothing, as scripture says!
@@patriothippie5881 Good point,...? Maybe, but answered below. Or rather about above!
Shalom, when you come across a subject like this which seems strange then it must be compared to the rest of the bible until the correct explanation is found, let the Word interpret the Word, you have done this very well in my opinion your doctrine is sound and resonates throughout the rest if the Word.
Thanks, brother, that is what I try to do (let Scripture interpret Scripture)
To: Pastor Lex,
I think You do a grand Job of doing just that. > (let Scripture interpret Scripture).
Daniel in your opinion. Where would you find a corresponding scripture to back up
@@damhar Hi, hope you are well, this passage does not contain a verse with direct explanation as to if Sammual's actual spirit was actually called up. Therefor we need to apply knowledge and understanding of the rest of scripture to know what had occured, too much to fit in one reply here. However i would pose the question to you and ask, Sammual was a man of God, do you think it likely that god would allow witches to call up his soul. God hath said that he despizes witches and that they will not enter through the gates. Also of it was actually Sammual, would he not have provided good advise?
@@danielbadenhorst8084 it was Samuel the bible says so.
Right on point
Sad to see someones personal belief get in the way of actual Scripture. As much as people may not want to believe it, it was Samuel. It is very clear and we cannot conform Scripture to our own opinions we must conform our own opinions to Scripture.
Anyone who doubts this please read 3 or 4 different Bible versions as you may be stuck with just one...also read it out loud slowly...2 or 3 times if you must...let the Scriptures correct you.
Hi Lex. Very interesting. The person was called an 'ob' because of this occult practice. In the Caribbean, people who do such things are called 'ob'-eah.
Great points! Ever since I read Chapter 28 in 1 Samuel, I was wondering if it actually was Samuel or not. But I also wonder, if it was a demon, what would the demon gain from telling that to Saul? Or maybe it was just so that the medium could be even with Saul after he sent them away?
Demons not only lie, but the truth can be used to further a lie. Example, this witch allegedly summoned Samuel, he predicted Saul's death. As word of this interaction spread, many could've been turned from the Lord. It's a truth used to spread a lie.
Great point regarding getting even with Saul I never thought about that. Thank you for spirtual insight.
I think she was doing her thing by pretending to see a spirit, but it says when she actually saw Samuel, she screamed. I think God could have actually sent Samuel only to tell Saul what was going to happen and he didn’t give him advice or a way out. Only his fate.
@@hillbillytarzan That's definitely possible!
1 chronicles 10 talks more about this, the end of that chapter claims that God killed Saul which makes perfect sense since he sent Samuel
Nice video. I just gained New knowledge.
The Bible says verse 15 “and Samuel said Saul” verse 16 “Then said Samuel” if it wasn’t Samuel the Bible would’ve indicated such
Ray H It wasn’t Samuel, believe me, from experience angels of darkness Can be seen as anything they want you to think. If it’s against God especially in this case than yes it’s demonic.
Isosori Harrison so the Bible is lying when it says it was Samuel speaking?
I agree with this teaching but can you please address an argument I've heard which is: "but the Bible refers to the spirit as Samuel... So why would the scripture refer to the committed spirit as Samuel if it wasn't Samuel"?
KS Smith you have good instincts. Your simple question makes this video crumble into a complete waste of time and effort. The answer to your question is in your question. It’s Samuel because bible said it’s Samuel. It would make no sense if there was some sort of deception taking place that the deception would be against the READER. Ridiculous, take this guy with a grain of salt if anything at all.
With all due respect, the witch and Saul are the ones saying it's Samuel. Its a narrative. Personally, I don't trust those two. Just because it's written in the bible doesn't mean its OK. God clearly says, do not consult mediums. The spirits are demons. The bible doesn't hide what people did wrong so we can learn a lesson from it. It's my personal out look. Hope this helps. God bless you.
I find it hard to believe that if Samuel was in heaven that a witch would have the power to pull him out of heaven
@@surfacegr1nder705 so a witch can get Samuel out of heaven or raise him from the dead ?
Think with your brain
Amen...
Re: communicating with the DEAD is like trying to communicate with most of the posters on this thread. What we have here is a FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE! AND!!! EVEN WALLS HAVE EARS!!
Wow I was reading this with my husband 4 days ago and we had a deep discussion about it. Now all the sudden the video pops up 🤔
I just was talking about this 2 days ago! Lol
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Wow I was reading this with my husband 4 days ago and we had a deep discussion about it. Now all the sudden the video pops up 🤔
Can you explain who Yeshua met with on the mount of Transfiguration in the gospels.
MATHEW 17 V 1 - 4 The question being, this was pre ressurrection of Christ. So old testament rules apply..
Where Moses and Elijah out of their bodies and consciously talking with Yeshua???
Berean Study Bible.
The Transfiguration
(Mark 9:1-13; Luke 9:28-36; 2 Peter 1:16-21)
1 After six days Jesus took with Him Peter, James, and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
3 Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, I will put up three shelters -one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” Make no mistake, Peter James and John saw All three of them talking..EXPLAIN please......
Daniel o Excellent, I was listening to my audio bible in my truck and heard this passage and it reminded me of this issue😇
Good stuff
What does the Bible say about being buried vs being cremated?
Why did Jesus say to the thief on the cross that this day you will be with me in paradise?
Because Jesus is right and everyone else, including this gentleman unfortunately is wrong.
Because they misplace a comma.
“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV).
The dead know nothing at all as Ecclesiastes says, so just to think about that statement for a minute, if it were samuel that was really speaking, this means he would have been conscious, aware and would be a contradiction to Ecclesiastes.
Also the message was that saul and his sons would die by the philistines, however saul was wounded and actually committed suicide and his son ishbosheth survived his father saul according to
Hes a prophet, not just anybody. There's also many things we don't understand about the spiritual world. Perhaps when he was summoned, he took a temporary living form. Don't act like you know for certain.
Don't stop there, finish your point.
@@BeastofBrooklyn I know for certain!
3 is contextually impossible, she was very upset.
2 is possible, but allegged Samuel was also upset, not deceiving
What now?
Holy Ghost filled understanding of the scriptures God bless you, Amen
"The Witch of Endor"? I thought this was going to be about those sinful Ewoks...
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if it was demon the bible would have had said it dont you think. And when the witch sow it was samuel she screamed and said you trick me you are soul .. and he ask her what do you see she said I see some one that looks like a god ..
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@Patrick's Trek that is what i say that it was not a demon it was Samuel him self.
@DanielNoahIsaiahJonathanMalachiNathanielAmes the other thing is why would she scream saying I see someone that looks like a god. And why would he say, why you interrupt my rest.and last demons dont know the future. The bible say that if a prophecy comes to past it was from God.. and the reason why samuel came from the bottom is because he was with abraham on the center of the earth..
The old testament is written from an observers perspective. The writers documented what they observed and could (and have been) deceived. Witches and fortune tellers get their information from demons that definitely do not know the future, but what happens can absolutely be observed as that. When you receive your fortune from a teller, the demon either gives the bad vision to the teller or can mimic the spirit of someone who died; their appearance, voice, personality, etc. The demon, now allowed to be a part of the person's life, follows them and curses them by making the vision reality. The only thing that can prevent this future is the hand of God, which was definitely not in Saul's favor before nor after the incident.
@DanielNoahIsaiahJonathanMalachiNathanielAmes that's a fair point, there's no real way to know for sure. It just seems the most plausible to me
1st Samuel 15:35 "And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel."
The Bible states that Samuel visited him the day he died which means that it really was Samuel and not a demon.
I believe it was actually Samuel for the simple fact that he told Saul "tomorrow you and your sons will join me."
A demon cannot see into the future or know the time of death for an individual.
I find this passage very interesting, but I'm not dogmatic on it. If there is something in scripture that I can't get my head around, I go to Deuteronomy 29:29; "The secrets of the Lords are the Lords", which basically tells us that our 4 lbs brain can't fit God in it.
i claim agnostic on the topic of everlasting hell or destruction. God has a reason for not making it clear as day in Scripture
10:54 -If it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because Samuel killed himself, then why did his sons also die?
The Lord will deliver both Israel and you into the hands of the Philistines, and tomorrow *you and your sons will be with me.* The Lord will also give the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines.”(1 Samuel 28:19)
So Saul *and his three sons* and his armor-bearer and all his men *died* together that same day. (1 Samuel 31:6)
10:34 -And if the witch of Endor tricked Saul to get back at him, then why did she show kindness and hospitality to Saul after he was greatly shaken? (1 Samuel 28:21-25)
Galina EXACTLY,People don't know how dangerous it is to self interpretate the bible. Its clear in black in white it says Samuel, not a demon. Why do people confuse each other with things that are simple. Thats like people saying "well my conclusion is Jesus is Lucifer because of the morning star reference,the bible points it out here and here". Lol, C'mon now
@@RudyG210 Big Facts. Trying to be to smart about makes you dumb.
Maybe some things we just don’t know.
But if we ask, the Lord will show us my friend!! This area of scripture is questionable to myself, but the Word teaches us that absent from the body, present with the Lord and I believe that!!❤
@@IseenowAtl The same person , Paul, also said the following:
"Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who SLEEP in DEATH, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope.
For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have FALLEN ASLEEP in Him...." - 1 Thessalonians 4:1
Dear believer, to avoid confusion, you must not always rely on a single & isolated verse.... the Bible was not originally written in English, consider that the translators sometimes didn't find accurate English words to properly render the message from Greek/Hebrew....
I find that it really helps to look into more than 1 Bible verse to validate a doctrine.....
Bonus:
you might be confused about the story of Lazarus and the rich man....
the parable of Lazarous and the rich man was simply a parable not a teaching about after-life.....the reason I know is because after he told the Pharisees the parable, they were angry....meaning they understood what he was saying through a story (parable)
The Bible clearly says that it was Samuel. This proves that there is an afterlife and the soul has memory and the soul has the power to see the future or knows at least when you're going to die. And Saul did die the day Samuel claimed he will die.
If that's true, then what about ECC 9:5-10, or why did God tell Adam & Eve that they will die? So where are Adam & Eve now?
Thank you
Wait but Jesus before being crucified told the theft today you will be with me in paradise???
Do you know that a simple comma placement can change the whole meaning of the text?
Here is what we read in our bibles.
Luke 23:43
And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."
And here is what we should be reading in our bibles, this is based on the context of the rest of the scriptures.
Luke 23:43
And He said to him, "Truly I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise."
More then just a placement of a comma but also how could he be with Christ that very day if Christ was dead for "3 Days" and when he rose again he was still walking the earth for over a month. With that being the case there is no way Christ meant that very day, but that one day this promise would be a reality for the thief
Because paradise was the holding compartment for all OT believers down below, in the earth. Torments is also there separated by the Great Abyss. Torments holds all the demon general officers, the really bad ones. They will be unleashed during the tribulation. The thief on the cross absolutely was in paradise with Jesus as they were both sent directly. Jesus proclaimed His victory over sin. This is what Jesus was doing for 3 days. So, actually, he did go there with Him literally the same day regardless of comma placement. He was then resurrected and returned in resurrection body. This time to proclaim His resurrection to all who believed and those who did not. Some 5k+ witnesses saw Him in this form as He ascended into Heaven, taking all OT believers with Him. Paradise is currently empty as a result.
@@jtnoodle hmmm your argument is very Catholic, and echoes the rich man and lazarus story. But the thief asked Jesus to remember him when he 'ENTERED INTO HIS KINGDOM'. Jesus didn't enter His kingdom yet, but when he returns He will sit on the throne of His father David as the angel told Mary, and set up his kingdom. Then it is 'this day he will be with Jesus in paradise'. But for now knows nothing awaiting the resurection to eternal life
@@jtnoodle False teachings!
Great video glad to see more people teaching the truth direct from the Bible.
FINALLY someone who perceives as I do.
I have looked up the topic of do you go to heaven or stay in the grave. Until your resected and go to heaven. And still am interested in looking deeper.
I was married to a Chinese lady and he uncle died, according to their belief on 49 th day the family would get together and bring a so called holy man(socerers) and invite the dead spirit to speak through him. I was invited to the party but I declined politely so my ex wife went but when they was waiting for her uncle spirit, another spirit came which supposed to be my daughter ,Sheila who died on 8th month before she was given birth. Sheila said that she is in a world where everyone teases her that she have no clothes and very sad and wanted clothes which can be bought in shop. This clothes is made of papers. You can also buy helicopter, BMW, phone, villa etc. I kind of freaked out a bit but I refused to believe because this is familiar spirit deception. The spirit even mentioned that her dad is Christian who don't believe in such world. I got divorced after miserable marriage and I'm committed to follow Christ now.
Sorry Lex, reread the verses. The witch was completely freaked out since Samuel's spirit actually came from Sheol and not the realm of demons as what she was use to. Also Samuel said that Saul will be with him the next day ie in Sheol. Also you spelled necromancy incorrectly.
that's amazing that you were able to pull from the text that she was shocked and perplexed that Saul was coming from sheol and not from a realm of demons I don't remember reading anything about a realm of demons in that scripture but you must be a very enlightened and I'm sure everyone appreciates you helping them spell words too
One your wrong!
@@truth6323 and two, your wrong, unscriptural teachings again!
Can you do a study on the abyss according to Luke 8:31?
Love your work!
Although I disagree with the conclusion that this spirit was a demon pretending to be Samuel, the whole story points to a different conclusion based on two points. The woman cries out in a loud voice when she sees Samuel. This is quite unexpected for her. Also, in the end, we see pity and empathy for Saul upon the spirit's words from her. She prepares a meal for him and together with the servants finally gets him to eat. If her intentions were based upon a known deception by Saul in disguise, and her anger against the king for her abolishment, why would there be these actions. I know there is the possibility for the conclusions drawn by the video but the whole account seems to point towards real surprise upon seeing an actual spirit and the woman's actions after the experience. I would be happy to hear a rebuttal or how my own conclusions are wrong. One other point, if the woman came to the realization that this was truly Samuel, it would make sense that she drew the conclusion that this was the king. Who else would disturb Samuel from his sleep? But it is not entirely clear to me how she would have recognized Saul in the first place?
I would like to add that I do enjoy the scriptural references used to back your reasoning and without the details I've pointed out this would seem to be the proper conclusion. And I really enjoyed learning about the ventriloquist connection.
I would like to add to my comment on a couple of possibilities. I have watched previous videos from this channel on the conviction that souls sleep and the righteous do not go to be with the Lord after His resurrection. I think, in a way, the thought process for this video came at a cost of "proving" previous convictions from another teaching; influenced reasoning based upon one's own translation of understanding. If this is true then your conclusions are influenced by how you've interpreted the word rather than a full reading of the whole text. I totally agree with the interpretation of scripture being based upon scripture interpreting scripture being the best and if scripture gives us an understanding that we might be wrong, we should examine this and ask the Spirit for discernment rather than "dig in" with a possible incorrect line of reasoning. I have had to swallow my own pride and allow the word to show me when I'm wrong rather than cling to incorrect reasoning. As a teacher, you are well aware of the responsibility of invalid or irresponsible interpretation which is proven as correct by the use of scripture chosen carefully to validate a claim even though it may be wrong. There is condemnation for this. If you have done this then you should deeply analyze all of your reasoning for your conclusion. Or at least give the alternate possibility its due recognition. We are all at different levels of knowledge and wait for His perfection. And let me be clear - I am not accusing you of false interpretation or purposefully misleading anyone. It just seems a possibility of incorrect reasoning in this case.
@@Rueuhy Wow, your comment is full of verbose. Such a lot of meandering waffle.
A demon cannot summon up the dead.
God would not allow it.
Only Jesus has the power to raise the dead, to awaken sleeping spirits.
Demons are deceptive, they have no truth in the them, the devil is a liar and the father of all liars.
Saul was corrupt through and through and God had turned away from him, hence he was in the den of demons when he approached the witch of Endor.
Excellent teaching!
1 Sam 28:12 says she saw Samuel, didn't talk to her. Verse 15 says Samuel spoke to Saul, back and forth. Death told King who would replace him. My understanding is that's God's job, not demon's. Guess the point is that Saul lost favor with God, screwed up by going to Endor, died, and David became king.
Why 1 Samuel 28 16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the LORD has departed from you and has become your enemy?
Shouldn't the write said a demon spoke but it said Samuel said. And it the dead know nothing, why is Abraham speaking to the rich man? and Moses speaking to Jesus.
Also God didn't claim the dead know nothing. It the writer from Ecclesiastes who states that and no one knows who he is. Most think it's Solomon but it's not.
Yeshua also said to the theft on right, today you will be with me in paradise.
@@SamSevenFilm Ive read Enoch and it gives an interesting take on this. The dead who are sinners and unbelievers wait in a hellish area and awaits for the day of judgement. The faithful and elect waits near the throne. Regardless, all waits for Judgement day.
@@ThePrinceUva where does it says a demon was speaking? Why it wasn't Samuel? The H.S didn't know was speaking? Or the writer is confused.
@@SamSevenFilm So?
@@ThePrinceUva No one saw Samuel!
You were right when you said that it was done by a demon.
The demons can present as whoever they please and speak as they would speak.
It wasn’t trickery, since the witch screamed when she realised it was King Saul.
This hardly consistent with someone playing a trick. Why would anyone risk playing a trick on the King of the land?
If she had been deceiving it would of told us that in the text.
Since in the bible it usually tells us when a person speaks words of deceit.
It was the demons that have her the ability to do what she did.
Demons cant prophesy they dont know the future Samuel told Saul he would be dead the next day together with his two sons and it came to pass. I believe it was Samuel and thats what the Bible says that Samuel came out or else the Bible is trying to deceive you the reader as well.
“Now it happened that as we were going to the place of prayer, a servant girl with a spirit, a demon of divination, met us. She supplied her masters with much profit by fortune-telling. Acts 16:16
So it’s clear that demons can use the art of prediction and see into the future.
“Do not turn to the spirit mediums, and do not consult fortune-tellers so as to become unclean by them. ”
Leviticus19:31.
Now if The medium had been bringing up Samuel as a spirit being as opposed to it been a demon, bearing in mind that the bible says that “the dead are conscious of nothing at all” then is it reasonable that a person would become unclean by a medium if they were simply doing us a service?
My friend the bible is like a jigsaw puzzle and you shouldn’t assume anything unless you have joined all its pieces together.
@@cultfiction3865 yes, they can predict but cannot see into the future (aka prophecy). Given the circumstance that God did not answer Saul, anyone could have predicted the fate of Israel in the battle against the Philistine. I have no idea about how they could predict the death of Saul and his sons but seems to me that whenever God not intervene, Satan and his legion was allowed to do according to their will
''Since in the bible it usually tells us when a person speaks words of deceit'' exactly, you said the truth but why are you inconsistent and contradict yourself for the rest of your comment?
if that was a demon the book will say that Saul was deceived , It says clearly it was Samuel. regardless how he spoke to him it was God who permit it!
Jesus says clearly that the dead know, and He open our eyes to so much more that the OT believers didn't know.
the video played for a short moment with my mind too but I didn't let it get me, why are you so weak?
This is a case when self righteous zelos people get a little bit ahead of themself and misinterpret the Bible, looking for things that aren't there.
@@mikeskrib510 Unscriptural nonsense from you people, constant false religion!
The Bible itself says it was Samuel. It says “ then Saul said to Samuel” “ then Samuel said” this is not that they were tricked into thinking it was Samuel it is the Bible itself says in the narrative “ then Saul said to Samuel” this is not the witch, Saul and Samuel thinking anything it was actually the Bible narrative saying it was Samuel. Then Saul said to Samuel. Then Samuel said.... the narrative said it was him so who cares who was tricked or not tricked it is the Bible itself said that..... Saul said to Samuel.
Hello Jaymie. I hope all is well. Check out this verse
So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord , even against the word of the Lord , which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
1 Chronicles 10:13 KJV
Let me know what you got from it. Blessings!
If the dead wait in their graves, what happens to those cremated and the ashes spread out?
They get that from Paul the Apostle when he said to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord... They say when you die you go immediately to be with the Lord... I don't think it really means that in its context....
This video made for a fantastic discussion and study material. It's great to see someone use the Bible to interpret what was going on here as it should be. Many thanks!
Always thought it was a demons. I know this is an unpopular ( though that does not make it untrue) when you are dead, your dead! If we go to heaven WHY does John 14 exist?
Why does David say to God "Do not leave my soul in Sheol"? The word cemetery means resting place. Only when Greek mythology entered the church did the thought of an eternal soul enter the church?
Good work brother, I wish to see you in paradise.
Is there any correlation of Endor also being used in Star Wars? It is the Grave of Darth Vader. Ewoks are primitive, but as I recall at the end of the movie ... shows the "Ghosts" of Darth, Obi 1, and ? someone else? Ewoks also have something similar to Medicine Men (Meds & Pagan rituals).
I thought your teaching on this matter was very good. Thank you.
To: Cheryl Fitch,
I agree with ya Cheryl Fitch. I thought his teaching on this matter was very good too.
Why would the Most High God rely on a servant of Satan to do work on his behalf? This was NOT Samuel. This was a deceiving spirit (a demon). Furthermore, Saul did NOT even see Samuel, only the witch claimed to have seen him. Just because Saul perceived he was speaking to Samuel, does not make it true.
Because God can and does use evil to His advantage. He uses evil to destroy evil, hence Saul and his sons death and total failure in battle the next day. He obliged Sauls nonsense by bringing up Samuel. The witch was terrified at what she saw because she hadn't experienced such a conjuring before. This was God directing the seance.
rts EXACTLY it clearly says Samuel not a demon. Its as clear as day. Its not hard to see in black and white. Self interpretations are blasphemy
@@RudyG210 "So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it;
And enquired not of the Lord: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse."- 1 Chronicles chapter 10 verses 13 to 14.
Saul enquired of "it" the bible says! Saul perceived it as Samuel and saw demons crawl out of earth! You are self interpreting. Pray for help and guidance and understanding in Jesus Christ name.
That does not mean video is correct. To be absent from body is to be present with the Lord.
Where in the text does it claim a demon spoke to saul. Why you Christian can't believe it was saul. Did Moses and Elijah spoke with Jesus.
To be abesnt from the body is to be present with the Lord!
"Today you shall be with me on paradise."
You can’t prove with the Bible that it was a demonic spirit. Usually the Bible makes it clear, like when scripture says God allowed a lying spirit to enter false prophets mouth. But the scripture never says it was a demon.
The Never Ending so what does it mean why Samuel said “why did you bring me up” where was he brought up from?
I agree with you that the dead know nothing. And a medium only gets info from evil spirits but Leonard Ravenhill preached that this was the only time that the living God allowed a prophet to be brought back from the dead to deliver Gods word. I love your work, bless you.
2: Ramon Hernandez
The Father IN Heaven DOES NOT USES WITCHES TO DO ANYTHING IN HIS BEHALF!
2: Ramon Hernandez,
In other words, Leonard Ravenhill was/is INCORRECT!. Btw. I gave You a thumbs up even before I sent You my first message. I'm glad You love Pastor Lex's work. I do too. I also love the poster, > original0blace
Ravenhill is incorrect, it was a Demon, God had nothing to do with it!
@@mrg466 Actually, the Bible itself says it was "Samuel." So pretty much end of topic there.
@@nathanheinzeart And God obviously knows, because it is in the bible...
It's interesting that Saul's own name is prophetic. The name Saul comes from the same root as Sheol, the place of the dead.
Were it Samuel's ghost he would be able to tell Saul what would happen the same way he could if Samuel were alive. As a mouthpiece of God. Even if "the dead know nothing " Samuel would've been able to communicate what he did even without knowing anything because his messages never came from himself, they came from God.
I think it's also worth pointing out for context Samuel himself was referred to as a seer by Saul around the time when they first met, showing the strict distinction between seers, oracles and prophets of God was blurry and the titles could be used interchangeably.
Unscriptural nonsense!
@@mrg466 what specifically are you challenging me on that you take issue with? That Samuel's words came from God and not himself? Or that he was referred to a seer early on? (You think that claim is unscriptural go read 1 Samuel 9:9 "....let's go ask the seer' for in those days prophets used to be called seers"
Does that passage blow your mind? Pretty interesting right. Before you make to much of it though just try and keep in mind it was a different time, different culture. Words mean or are associated with different things back then.
I find it odd that woman in the occult was afraid of a demon. Second, Samuel was in paradise with the other patriarchs, and would have come up rather than down. Remember Abraham and the rich man? Third, why was the response almost verbatim to what Samuel said to Saul why he was alive and indeed prophetic. His sons were killed and the Phillistines would have in fact killed him in a terrible manor. The Lord's will was turning over the kingdom to David, why tell Saul the truth? I feel it was the last rejection, of many, in a unique manor that so many other biblical figures in the old Testament experienced. Whatever happened, the moral of the story is to repent and be obedient.
Can you please redo this video after reading the book of Enoch. That should help shed light to what happens when we die.
I know you are a brother and believer however there are to many plain scriptures you have to twist with a big wrench in order to prove a doctrine you choose to believe. You gravitate to verses that take much speculation and throw out plain scriptures. Though I don't believe you are a cult you are using similar tactics to interpret scriptures that the cults use. However that being said where we stand on this doctrine is not nearly as important as you seem to believe. Preach Christ, his life death reserection. Preach repentance from dead works and lordship of Jesus , preach the character of Christ so we will know what a christian looks like and acts like. Only by falling in love with jesus will any of us be able to follow him. and you will be preaching life. These doctrines are important so far as they are part of the bible and should be an in house debates but they are not the line in the sand that you seem to make them. The people who believe opposite of you are not lying any more than i believe you are lying. One side is wrong the other is write. For it to be a lie the party teaching it has to know it other wise they are just wrong. Paul to.d me in the new testament that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and that for him to die it would be gain for him but loss for us. If he were going to be in the ground where would the gain be. Makes no sence. What you are teaching is the same doctrine as Jehovah's witnesses. I will stand on new testament revelation first, if not then I might as well go get me a sheep and a bunch of turtle doves. Love I Christ .
Then ask yourself, why does the Old Testament says nothing happens when we die, and then ask yourself, why does The New Testament say otherwise? Why is it, the Geek scriptures speak on things that originate with the false teaching from Gods enemies? The Greeks have for a long time believe in an immoral soul, they believed in Hades, more than one God, just like the teaching of the Trinity, All these things, before The Bible was even written! yet God's original people, they believed none of these things! So what happened?
Poul said I know a man who was taken up to heaven if it was in the body or in the spirit I don't know .. we are sould body and spirit . Dont be afraid who could kill your body but cant kill your soul pls explain everything i have said .. including my death when I came out of the body ... I was declared dead in Brooklyn hospital dec 10 2015 .. explain this to me
I think your interpretation is incorrect. Ecclesiastes is taken out of context. Ecc. 9:5 is not a definitive statement about the afterlife but represents a specific application of the book's entire theme is that man's wisdom and earthly pursuits (without God) ultimately amount to nothing. If anything, the statement that the "dead know nothing" represents Solomon's nihilistic view that after death there is nothing, so you might as well live it up on Earth now. Next, in 1 Samuel, the medium is actually shocked that Samuel shows up - rather than the familiar spirit she was, er, familiar with. Finally, verse 16 onwards actually refer to the dead man as Samuel and not a deceiving spirit - unlike the example from Kings you cite to where the text specifically reveals that it was a deceiving spirit.
Also, Ecc 12:6&7. “Remember him -before the silver cord is severed or the golden bowl is broken, before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, or the wheel broken at the well, and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.”
I also wonder about Jesus giving the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Curious.
Normal people like us know nothing whether in life or dead. But people tends to forget that Samuel is a prophet of the lord and he can prophesize whether he is living or dead for the lord is with him.
I like your videos but you are wrong, I believe on this.
When the bible says “ and Samuel said” it’s stating a fact, Samuel is speaking, not a trick, but Samuel.
The plain reading of the text is usually correct.
Judges 9:8-15
The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
Does a plain reading of that text mean we should believe now that the bible teaches that trees talk to each other? Or is establishing context important, and taking the council of the entire word to establish the true meaning being communicated by the text also important?
The bible is a literary work. Sometimes the wider context of the rest of the text effects how you should understand specific verses.
If it says the dead know nothing you have two options with the story, either it is a glaring contradiction and the book of either samuel or the book of ecclesiates and job are lying to us.
or you are meant to infer that it is infact demons pretending to be spirits of the dead which is why God doesn't want us to try to communicate with our departed loved ones, as Lex has done here.
Personally i don't believe in biblical contradictions, only misunderstandings.
original0blace,
You asked the UNnoble Berean, > "Does a plain reading of that text mean we should believe now that the bible teaches that trees talk to each other? "
Only IF they are NUT TREES. 😊
Allen Elman which Bible are you reading?
2: Ruth C,
Miss C! C if You can C this. Why didn't You ask me which translation &/or version I read? Do You know what translation & version means? Anyway since I KNOW You really care, I check out about THIRTY translations/versions. zat ok? May i do dat? Now let me ask YOU something. What part, ANY PART of Your King James VERSION did King James translate? Answer, NOT ONE WORD! WHY is it called the King James VERSION? What does "Version" MEAN?
In all places that the bible says the trees talk, the context lets the reader know its spiritual or metaphor
The ghost of samuel predicted the future so it must of been samuel.
Demons can do that junk too
For the living know that they will die, but as for the dead, they are aware of nothing.
It was a demon. Necromancy forbidden by Yahweh/Jehovah because it s dangerous...
That wasn't Samuel
What is the point of commenting if you don't backup your perspective with scripture? Your understanding is wrong as if you did not listen to a word that was said in this video and you just want to deceive others with your opinion. The facts were presented correctly in this particular video.
Correct❤
Do you know of a biblical church in Sacramento?
Perhaps *God* - not the witch - raised Samuel _in the flesh._ Since the witch of Endor is merely a human, this was something the witch simply could not do, and she was utterly terrified when she saw 'a god coming up out of the earth' (simply Samuel). In short: no demons - just God messing with a liar (the witch) and a fool (Saul).
Idazmi7 I absolutely agree with you. People can't raise up spirits, only GOD can
@@wvt5825
Exactly.
@@wvt5825 If that was true, God would not have warned his people not to contact the dead. He warned his people for their own good. When people get involved with witch craft, sorcery, books on spells and magic ect. You can invite Demons into your home. That's one reason why people get Demon possession, and it's not something that happens only in the movies.
@@Idazmi7 If that was true, God would not have warned his people not to contact the dead. He warned his people for their own good. When people get involved with witch craft, sorcery, books on spells and magic ect. You can invite Demons into your home. That's one reason why people get Demon possession, and it's not something that happens only in the movies.
@@mrg466
_"If that was true, God would not have warned his people not to contact the dead. He warned his people for their own good. When people get involved with witch craft, sorcery, books on spells and magic ect. You can invite Demons into your home. That's one reason why people get Demon possession, and it's not something that happens only in the movies."_
God also warns not to boil a calf in it's mother's milk, merely because it's a pagan practice, not because doing that will make a demon enter your soul or something. There's also nothing in God's given instructions to the Levite priests on "how to remove demons". In addition, if man had the power to give life, he would be like God, and we know man is nowhere near God in power.
So the scriptures clearly say Samuel spoke to Saul but you have this high knowledge saying otherwise. What you are doing is turning scripture around based on a premise that doesn’t allow understanding that The Most High will move as he wants. This could have been the only instance or one of many that the dead was allowed to truly communicate. Why should any of us be so high minded that we have to put these events in a box.
You misunderstood me. I gave three possible scenarios. I think one possibility is that it was Samuel, but I think it is the least likely because of other things that are said in the Bible.
To: Pastor Lex,
Read the message from The Poster Avalon D. Here! This is a copy & paste. > Quick answer no it was not samuel.. not only did that spirit claim and gave credit to saul asking him why did you summon me instead of God even saul believed he summoned him when in reality no human has power to summon a dead love one.. also God forbids communicating with the dead so God is not going break His own law for anyone.. also that spirit didn't tell Saul anything he didn't already know telling him God turned away from you.. also saul was not killed by the enemy like the spirit said instead saul lost all hope and commuted suicide."
2: biggs123
Big little biggs123. You said, > "So the scriptures clearly say Samuel spoke to Saul........."
The scriptures ALSO clearly say You will not surely die. Genesis 3:4. YOU BELIEVE THAT 2.
Allen Elman , that’s a false equivalency. I don’t even get your point. What Satan said to Eve was a lie.
Biggs123 remember Moses was on the mountain and Jesus and Elijah wuth Peter, James, and John. Moses we know died a physical death, but his spirit was not bound to the grave spirits don't sleep. Check out my response to this up top under William Verdell.
I know this is a really old video but something to think about is, god exist outside of time, he sees it all from Adam to the second coming, so in theory when we die we enter that realm, which means we would already be in heaven with the father
A witch cannot ressurrect a dead person. When people die, they are dead, they are not immortal ghosts that go here or there. We are dead and the body is put into the grave, in the ground. The spirit that powered us returns to God in heaven, but that isn't us. We are that spirit combined with the body. Without the two, we are not. Neither one nor the other is us. And neither do we have control over. God does. Therefore the spirit she raised was a demon. I agree with this video that it is the correct understanding of the scriptures in this matter.