"Did The Ghost Of Samuel Appear To Saul?" with Doug Batchelor (Amazing Facts)
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- "Did The Ghost Of Samuel Appear To Saul?" with Doug Batchelor (Amazing Facts)
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The Biblical message
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
There is NO WAY God answered the request of a woman involved in a practice God called an abomination and carried the death penalty. And please explain to me WHY DID SAMUEL COME UP FROM THE GROUND INSTEAD OF FROM ABOVE?? It was an evil spirit in disguise.
@@cryptobulletsNo. We Adventists like to believe God is consistent in His proclamations and never contradicts Himself. It's insane to believe God answered a witch's request after CONDEMNING THE PRACTICE as an abomination. It was an evil spirit.
Well commentated pastor Doug, except you missed one thing, the bible itself said it was Samuel.
I Samuel 28: 15 "And Samuel said to Saul ...."
I Samuel 28:16 "Then said Samuel..."
In scripture, the phrase, "...perceived that it was..." often means "someone found out or discovered something."
When the text says in verse 14, that Saul perceived that it was Samuel, it means that he found out or discovered it was Samuel.
reference verses
Judges 6:22
And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, .....
I Samuel 3:8
[...] And Eli perceived that the LORD had called the child.
II Samuel 5:12
And David perceived that the LORD had established him king over Israel ....
Replace perceived with understood;
Gibeon understood, Eli understood, David understood.
After the woman's description, in verse 14 Saul understood that it was Samuel.
I've been searching the answer for this case.
And I found here.
Thank you Pastor.. God bless you.
You found the answer? I was looking for it as well. However I’m far from a puppet and I don’t believe everything that I see and here. I’m not so sure that everything in the Bible is real either. Therefore I don’t know if it was Samuel or not. I haven’t crossed over yet so I cannot say what is what
Everything is plain and simple ...thank you Pastor Doug for preaching the truth out of God's Word 🙏
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Jesus is my Sabbath bud, not a day. You follow the law you shall be judged by the law.
@@jasonbourne5142 it’s in the 10 commandments. Of course she follows God’s law.
The Truth presented plain and simple!! Thank you Pastor Doug!! God bless!!
how many times must you post your misunderstandings of the word?
@@willow9530
Remember Robt is a Catholic. He isn't allowed to interpret scripture. So I think everything he copy and paste is actually his priest's thought.
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
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Happy sabbath to all. God bless you
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Happy Sabbath, may God bless you, your family and your friends - (same for anyone else reading my comment), amen =^_^=
Robt Clayton again really
Glad you chose this topic ☺️
Thank you for clearing this up.
Thank you Sir. Great explanation. Helped me out alot.
Great message pastor!
Amén 🙏🏽
😂 tell your enemies!
Pastor Doug has a great sense of humor
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
Thank you pastor Doug. ❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏
Thank you pastor Doug for Sharing the word of GOD GOD bless you 🙏.
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So that is the reason why we see ghosts on camera but those are demons in disguise
Glory to God! Glory to God! I hope to see you in heaven!
The Soul (Breath) returns to God. Even a dog has a Soul. As far as "Immortality" that will only be granted to the saints.... Without the living breath they are dead.
God is all powerful. Spread his word. I hope to see you all in heaven.
Willow Oh my Lord Jesus. Dogs most certainly do not have a soul. The soul is the nature of the spirit that goes back to God at death. It is an eternal part of God. Or to hell, if it is not. A dog is a “beast,” and cannot make that choice. No where in the Bible does It say that any animal has a soul. I’ve never even heard of anyone thinking such a thing.
I love my two dogs but they do not have a soul. 😳
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JAS...... You can love a God who would send people upon their death to a ever burning fire without even having a court trial aka judgement. Great news sister/brother, hell has final results not eternal burning.... God is LOVE and it goes against his very nature. Bad news is you are among those who will perish for lack of knowledge. Please leave your church and study truth.......
and..... if they have the breath of life they have a soul..... read your bible. You are FULL OF SUNday INDOCTRINATION.
I had a lot of questions about this. May God bless you
Thnk pastor msg to this topic so clear
1 samuels 28: 15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
My question is, if this is not samuel then why scripture says in verse 15 " And Samuel said to saul" , and verse 16 "Then said Samuel" why it doesn't say "An evil spirit said to saul"?
Isaiah james spot on brother
Read the whole chapter for context.
@@nasaretasmith9772 Are you seventhday adventist?
@@nasaretasmith9772 please explain me what you understood in context reading the entire chapter.
@@isaiahjames5217 AHHH HE CAN'T ANSWER!!!!!
Wow!, great message!
So the person who wrote the book of 1 Samuel under the guidance of the Holy Spirit lied when he said it was Samuel? Shouldn’t the person who wrote 1 Samuel say it was a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel? But it doesn’t say that. Conclusion : the writer lied when he said it was Samuel? 28:16 ( then said Samuel) end of quote.
BDR CHRIST People don't know how dangerous it is to self interpretate the bible. Its clear in black in white it says Samuel, not a demon. Why do people confuse each other with things that are simple. Thats like people saying "well my conclusion is Jesus is Lucifer because of the morning star reference,the bible points it out here and there". Lol, C'mon now
If it was really Samuel, this spirit would come down from heaven, not up from the ground. When GOD sends spirits(angels) , sends them from heaven, not from earth. And too, GOD never made a conscious ghost at creation. Man became a soul. I wonder why GOD would speak to Saul when he had cut off all the means to which He(GOD) can speak to him(Saul). First, he despised Samuel's councils, killed all the priests of GOD. How can GOD now answer him when he had rejected him. The woman only screamed because the demon exposed Saul to her. First and foremost, mediums DO NOT conjure up the dead. They really conjure up demons.
Raphael Onyekaozulu Okoye no this happen before the cross. Everyone BEFORE The cross was in hades( good or bad sides)
Thank you exactly, I made the same point just now in a comment, the Bible said Samuel said to Saul why have you disquieted me 1 Samuel 28:15, not to mention what this spirit said actually came true, Saul and his sons died on the battlefield and God turned the children of Israel over to the Philistines, so I would love to ask him since when did the devil and his demons tell the truth to someone
@@ronbo30 yup in Abraham's cave/ bosom, which was a place of peace for those who died believing in Jehovah
I tend to think it will Samuel. The reason I think this is that the Lord so many times prohibited and I quote “talking to the dead“. Perhaps, there was a way back then, with as you say those incantations (which by the way is not in the Bible“). The woman displayed genuine fear. If this was some kind of set up I don’t think she would’ve acted as scared. Today we know a lot more about familiar spirits. We also know the spirits can only tell certain things. For example, those familiar spirits think sorry want you to think for example that they may be a deceased and they going to tell you all the things that you want to hear, they are certainly, as we all know that Demons are liars, I’m not going to tell you that tomorrow, you and your sons will be with me. No I’m not saying definitely that this was done by the Lord but I’m also saying I do think it was Samuel. Like I said familiar spirits will tell you the things you want to hear, Samuel told saw what he did not want to hear. God Bless
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
Thank you for this
Your offer an your bible study course are not available in the UK?
Been waiting an entire day..happy sabbath
Thank you this is right on teaching and 100% scriptual may The Lord Jesus Bless you I am watching from Jakarta Indonesia
Thanks so much pastor
God bless you
The Bible verse in 1 Chronicles 10, shuts any doubts there may be.
Awesome explanation!
God Bless you really appreciate you teaching us about the Bible saying Thank you and God Bless your work to
Great study.
Thank you
Hey! Ive been seeing videos about the close of probation. It's hard to know who to listen to and trust. . But I trust u. Can u please do a video on this subject please? I'd be so grateful!!! Thanks
Maurice Berry also has massages about this topic look it up on TH-cam
Happy Sabbath brother
Blessed Sabbath!
Hie Doug, lm from lreland how can l get this copy. We met in Dublin by the way😊. Thank you so much l’ve been looking for this
Excellent!
Happy Sabbath to all !
God bless you pastor. Am enlightened by your explanation. It is supported by scriotures.
Only few preachers can interpret this way... this story is hard for most pastors to understand
Amen so plain beautiful and simple
Been saying this for years
I wanna a copy... but is there shipping to EGY?
The best explanation.
Makes sense Rev 🤜🏾🤛🏾
Good bless
This is edifying. I learned something from your breakdown of this passage today. I couldn't help thinking of an interesting parallel. Saul had turned a deaf ear to the law and was becoming more wicked with his persecution of David. In the New Testament, we also have a Saul who is persecuting the Apostles and Disciples of Christ. This Saul is also of the tribe of Benjamin by his own admission in his epistles. This Saul is also known as "Paul", a name that means "little". Benjamin was the smallest tribe. Paul claims Jesus spoke to him, but how do we know?
God bless you
amen past doug from cape town south africa
Guys please be easy on me. But I’m confuse.
I thought the apostle Paul, was Saul.
Is there 2 Sauls?
Please enlighten me.
Sure thing. There are 2 Sauls in the Bible, one in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament. In the Old Testament (around 1000BC or so) Saul was the first king of Israel, and you can read about him in 1 Samuel. In the New Testament (35-65AD or so) a man named Saul was a Pharisee who hated Christians. Jesus revealed himself to him (Acts 9) and he converted to Christianity and wrote many of the books in the New Testament. In Acts 13:9 we see that he became known as Paul. Hope this helps
Tommy yes that is correct. King Saul of Israel in the O.T. ,and of course Saul of Tarsus converted to become St. Paul the apostle of the N.T.
Yes, Saul in the Old Testament was Israel's first king, Saul in the New Testament was the Apostle Paul's Jewish birth name as there is no letter P in the Hebrew alphabet, so P in Paul becomes S, or Saul, so in Israel Paul McCartney would be known as Saul McCartney.
Thank you. This is a difficult passage. And some God loving leaders, that you can tell study the word of God, they say it was Samuel. But I agree with you. Thank you.
It was Samuel period. Scripture literally says it was Samuel not a evil spirit.
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SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
@@cryptobullets No. We Adventists like to think God is consistent and does not contradict Himself. There is no way God would answer the request of a woman who practiced an art God considered an abomination and worthy of death. It was a demon.
Happy Sabbath.
@@EricSaavy Ecclesiastes 9:5 means that the dead is dead and cannot come up as a spirit from the dead. Read it for yourself because the Bible does not contradict itself like you and other people seem to be saying. That was not Samuel. Saul displeased God by going to a woman with a familiar spirit henceforth when that Spirit spoke and told Saul he was going to die the next day he did. This was all because he did what God did not want him to do by going to a woman with a familiar spirit. That was not Samuel. That was definitely a demon and nothing you say will convince me otherwise. So you would just be wasting your breath and your typing you TROLL.
Happy Sabbath to all
Great
Great explanation...I totally agree with you...it was not actually Samuel's spirit
Although I do not believe in soul sleep, that was a good presentation.
Very interesting topic. This has been something that people have been writing in to us about as well. Keep up the great work. God Bless.
Why does the text refer to the spirit as “Samuel” as opposed to “the spirit”?
Praise the lord
Happy Sabbath Pastor’s Bachelor
Shabbat SHALOM Brothers, may THE LORD Bless and Keep you in Righteousness in JESUS mighty Name, Amen
Yessssssss I agreeee Amen. That goes to the apparitions of Mary in Medugorje. And I heard a man I met, told me that Mary appeared and he was so scared, he wants nth to do with religion,
And I say “Amen “
Is that the statue that king Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream that Daniel interpretation to him the meaning of the statue,which the King then built and Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego went into the fire for not bowing down to it?? Why is it there?
He probably wants to talk about it one day
lol he said 1 Corinthians 10:13-14 instead if Chronicles lol i was so confused at first hahahah
Amen
Happy Sabbath everyone first I assumed that It was Samuel and God engagés to punish Saul for waking a dead person but now I get it never assumed hope what is in the scriptures is what is actually revealed !!!
5 times scriptures reveal in fact it WAS Samuel.
It's confusing because the witch became very startled when she saw Samuel. This woman had a familiar spirit so why would she freak out if she saw an apparition?
Wonderful day 😊
I'm not JW! I'm a KJV Bible believing Baptist, and I agree with you, Mr. Batchelor, on this one!
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Why? The bible says that it was Samuel. What more do you need?
@@evanu6579 I don't want to argue with anyone about the Bible. This is just an interesting Bible study and is not a Salvation issue. I believe the deceased are either in Heaven or Hell. They are not conjured up! The witch can only conjure up demons who claim to be someone they are not. (1 Samuel 28:14) says that "Saul perceived that it was Samuel". Demons are always present, watching our every action. They know our secrets. Often people conjure up deceased loved ones. The demon knowing our secret things can fool the conjurer into thinking it is the deceased because the demon answers the secret thing/question correctly. Any power the witch has is demonic only! Having said that, could it have really been Samuel? If God allowed it then Yes! In closing, (1 Samuel 28:6) says, "And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets." Samuel was a prophet! A deceased prophet, but still a prophet.
This is a hard one to confront . First if it’s accurate a witch has the power to resurrect a spirit , especially a holy man like Samuel ? Wouldn’t he be in heaven with the Lord? I can’t imagine God would allow his spiritual form to leave for the sake of a witch . Then again maybe it was Gods will so that Saul would get the message your doomed no matter what and the only person you’ll ever believe is Samuel himself.
according to Enoch, (which this church and most other denominations won't acknowledge) says exactly how souls are after death. English greek Aramaic Hebrew, and the adding to and taking away from scripture has left us with a letter...Was it not mentioned that the letter kills? Strong delusions? Nicean council from pagan Constantine, than the Vulgate, (In the midst of this, bishops and "POPES" or "Papa's {PAPACY} were taking out the homilies...Then KJB originally had Apocrypha, until the reformation, then it TOO, along with Maccabees, jubilees, and epistles that were in my humble opinion SCRIPTURE. hAVE YOU SEEN (i KNOW IT SOUNDS BLASPHEMOUS, AND MAYBE IT IS, BUT MAYBE THIS GUY HAS A POINT.."THE BIBLES THE MARK OF THE BEAST." NOW HE'S HATED, BY SO MANY THAT VIEW THIS PAGE, HOWEVER IT IS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE TO A BUNCH MORE OUT THERE. THIS IS SOMEWHAT TRUE, I KNOW I'LL BE HATED, LIKE THESE GOOFBALLS, BUT SOMETHIN IS TUGGIN AT ME. AND IT POINTS AT RELIEGION. KINDA LISTEN UP! ELSE WE BE ROBOTS TO THE LAW, DEAD. I'M WITH HER ON READ THE BOOK AND CLOSE IT th-cam.com/video/XsbxwMj_6EQ/w-d-xo.html
Interesting. Most interesting indeed.
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
Home with the Lord?, Samuel after his death wasn’t taken to heaven ,he was buried at Ramah not heaven
Amen 🙏
In the ESV which is a better translation it said that Saul “knew” it was Samuel.
In Agreement
This question long time I'm thinking,,, I'm watching everyday, I'm watching here everyday YT, lot of channel,,,, but still I didn't find someone explained about this,,, only before yesterday I asked God,,, oh God can you show me a preacher who explain this question in my mind? Then today, maybe I scrolling 3 minutes, because I'm looking an interesting video to watch, then this video appeared,,, thanks God He answered my prayer,,, 🙏
Doug made all that up! WOW!
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This prophecy that was given by Samuel or a spirit came to pass did it not?
Ah, come on. What is with this waiting. If you've already uploaded video, let people watch it. Don't set a release time and tease us.
I feel you 💯 my brother
Editing?
What about people saying " they saw dead loved one giving warning in thier dreams ??
Thats interesting
Catholics teach about apparitions and when miracles occur because of them it’s even more confusing when held up to the SDA mirror. I don’t know what to believe anymore. I wish God would speak and tell me
I'm not sure those seven points prove what DB intends them to prove. Here were the seven points:
1) Saul has to take the witch at her word that it was Samuel. Now, if the witch knew what Samuel looked like (because he was a public figure) then she could lie to Saul, but if she didn't then she in fact saw Samuel (or if it was a deceiving spirit, it did a good job of impersonating). Either way, this does not prove that it was a deceiving spirit.
2) Can the devil resurrect a prophet? The answer is clearly no, but I don't think anyone is claiming that he is. The other side of this debate doesn't claim Satan resurrected Samuel, but that God resurrected Samuel. Now, DB imparts some of his own beliefs in his interpretation about 1 Samuel 28:12, which says "When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice to Saul, "Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!"" Another perfectly reasonable interpretation of that verse would be that the witch was planning on faking it, and screamed in surprise when Samuel actually popped up. If she were surprised, it would be because God (no Satan) raised him up, and she wasn't expecting anything supernatural to occur.
3) God would not speak to Saul through prophets. He quotes 1 Samuel 28:15 to say the Bible says God wouldn't speak through a prophet. But...Saul is the one talking in that verse. Saul is literally telling Samuel (or whomever) that God wouldn't talk to him through prophets. That is NOT a proof text to say Saul wasn't speaking to Samuel, when Saul is literally speaking to Samuel in that verse. That would be like me going to a pastor and saying "no pastor in this town is willing to help me," and then that pastor says "well, according to your own words I can't help you, because I am a pastor in this town." Seems a bit disingenuous to use that verse as a proof text.
4) The prophecy is technically false. But it isn't. Here is what Samuel said: 1 Samuel 28:19 "The LORD will hand over both Israel and you to the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons will be with me..." It doesn't say the Philistines will personally kill him, but rather that God would use the Philistines to end his life, which absolutely happened. So the prophecy is true. Actually, it kind of sounds like this pastor is misrepresenting the text to make it sound like it actually says a Philistine would kill him when that isn't the language used.
5) The message was hopeless. True, and Samuel gave Saul hopeless messages in his life, so this sounds pretty consistent to me. Read 1 Samuel 15:28-29 and tell me if that message (which clearly came from the living Samuel) had a hint of hope in it for Saul.
6) It was not the Lord. 1 Corinthians 10:13-14 said Saul did not inquire of the Lord, and that is true. He inquired of a witch. That doesn't mean the Lord did not intervene in the situation.
7) DB uses Revelation 16:14, which speaks of demonic spirits that come out of the dragon in preparation for the battle of Armageddon, to say that an evil spirit was impersonating Samuel thousands of years before the events of Revelation 16:14.
Now, I'm not saying that DB is purposefully misleading his listeners, but I find his interpretive practice in this passage at least a little questionable, especially regarding using Revelation 16:14 and 1 Samuel 28:15 to say that it wasn't Samuel. What happened in the passage was that someone (possibly or even likely Samuel) came up and gave a very specific and very true prophecy regarding what would happen to Saul and his children the next day (they would lose to the Philistines and be dead...both of those things absolutely happened so it was a true prophecy...that is important). The Samuel figure rebuked Saul (a strange thing for a deceiving spirit to do, usually they lie to make the listener happy) and spoke of fulfilling the prophecy the living Samuel gave in chapter 15. The Bible says that we are to test whether someone is a true prophet by seeing if their prophecies come true. This one did, so I am inclined to disagree with DB here and say that it was in fact Samuel raised by God to rebuke Saul.
Again, not saying anything directly against DB because I don't know any of his teachings (I just saw this one). But I would encourage every listener to always, no matter the teacher, take the lesson and compare it to Scripture, including how they use verses to prove their points. The uses in this lesson were questionable.
Thank you!
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
2:03 is very important.
Well I don't if he'd reply but at the time didnt satan have the keys of hell ? Till Jesus? But I do think it was one of the spirit tormenting him acting like Samuel tho
Nowhere, are we told in scripture the devil has the keys of hell.
Yes you are
Thank you so much for all your time and effort to get the message across Pastor Doug. Value your study lessons and sermons. Agree, demons deceive, but only if we allow them into our life by calling them into action. Interested to read your Witch of Endor. I agree with you in saying that the apparition was not Samuel. Many years ago after my mother's death I actually went to a psychic for advice, God forbid! She disappeared for a while and returned to tell me something really bad had happened to me? She was right, it was her! Get this, my mother had died and I was in mourning. Is that supposed to be OK? Vulnerable as I was I took it rather too seriously, but not seriously enough , praise God, to pay her £500 for a very oh so special candle to drive away the nasty, whatever it was? Witches and charlatans work hand in hand. I shook her off and left her without her requested prize, nonetheless feeling gutted. Praise the Lord He is good, so forgiving and caring. God bless. Praying that the fires in Sacramento are not affecting your location??? 3/11/2019.
Sorry to hear of your experience with a charlatan it seems. However, find my piece in here and you'll see why this was the real spirit of Samuel, not a demonic impersonator...
God protect Pastor Doug Batchelor
Sorry, Doug (and SDA). The Septuagint translation of 1 Chronicles 10:13 is quite precise...
...Forasmuch as he kept it not, because Saul enquired of a wizard to seek counsel, and Samuel the prophet answered him.
This is an extraordinary case in which God used what was normally prohibited to accomplish His will.
So, if it was a demon, does he know the future to say that Saul would be defeated by the philistines and would die?
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In my humble opinion. I think if demons are everywhere, its easy to think, they know what's going to happen the next day. They can see that the army of the philistines are greater then Saul's army at this point. Saul no longer has Gods protection to win. The three sons are included in the battle. If the demon tells Saul his sons will get killed tomorrow as well as him, the battle is halfway won for the philistines because Saul will let this torment him. Saul has a history of demons tormenting him. They already know his weaknesses and knowing his sons will die just makes it worst. Why did God allow this battle to be Saul's end and let the demons be half right? (Saul was not killed, he committed suicide) because it was time and the demons knew it! Yet, not even the demons could predict how Saul would die. They do however know, that today they have little time left and are working harder to confuse the world with seductive ideas of sin. Its up to us to know our God and follow his teachings. Do not consult with mediums. They are demons period. God bless you all.
@@seasalt1171 well said
I don't also believe that the witch of endor or the devil has the power to call for the spirit of the prophets because it's only God who has the power to all souls and spirits. ... But what made me think and almost believed is that the spirit that the witch summoned told the truth
I'm watching from India there is no option for enrollment to get tracts
Why would there be hope in a prophecy which was the result of Sauls disobedience.
EGW take on this... Chapter 28. The Witch and Satan Had an Agreement-The witch of Endor had made agreement with Satan to follow his directions in all things; and he would perform wonders and miracles for her, and would reveal to her the most secret things, if she would yield herself unreservedly to be controlled by his Satanic majesty. This she had done (The Spirit of Prophecy 1:375, 376).8-19. Saul’s Final Step-When Saul inquired for Samuel, the Lord did not cause Samuel to appear to Saul. He saw nothing. Satan was not allowed to disturb the rest of Samuel in the grave, and bring him up in reality to the witch of Endor. God does not give Satan power to resurrect the dead. But Satan’s angels assume the form of dead friends, and speak and act like them, that through professed dead friends he can the better carry on his work of deception. Satan knew Samuel well, and he knew how to represent him before the witch of Endor, and to utter correctly the fate of Saul and his sons.Satan will come in a very plausible manner to such as he can deceive, and will insinuate himself into their favor, and lead them almost imperceptibly from God. He wins them under his control,cautiously at first, until their perceptibilities become blunted. Then he will make bolder suggestions, until he can lead them to commital most any degree of crime. When he has led them fully into his snare, he is then willing that they should see where they are, and he exults in their confusion, as in the case of Saul. He had suffered Satan to lead him a willing captive, and now Satan spreads before Saul a correct description of his fate. By giving Saul a correct statement of his end, through the woman of Endor, Satan opens away for Israel to be instructed by his satanic cunning, that they may, in their rebellion against God, learn of him, and by thus doing, sever the last link which would hold them to God.Saul knew that in this last act, of consulting the witch of Endor,he cut the last shred which held him to God. He knew that if he had not before willfully separated himself from God, this act sealed that separation, and made it final. He had made an agreement with death,and a covenant with hell. The cup of his iniquity was full (The Spirit of Prophecy 1:376, 377).
Willow except that’s not what the bible says
Your right.... It is what EGW says.
Willow and she was a con artist false prophet
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
very well explained thank you for this it answered some doubts I had but a new one came up can the devil know when you are going to die
@@EricSaavy not in total disagreement but it does not coincide with the statement abraham said
Luke 16:26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
also Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share In anything done under the sun.
not necessarily a demon but maybe something similar to 1 Kings 22;22
Martin Gonzalez ... I believe the dead “ know nothing “ of this world! Because the Bible is clear that the wicked have no Peace! And too many Scriptures show that the dead still are awake.. Moses on the mountain talking to Jesus..Jesus preaching to the spirits in prison.. the 24 elders in around the throne..our brothers under the altar talking to Jesus..
SDAs have problems with these kinds of situations as they slap their 'soul-sleep' doctrine which is also taught by their cousin religion Jehova's Witnesses.
7 counter reasons why it was infact Samuel the prophet.
(Refer to Dr. Batchelor's 7 reasons why it was not Samuel)
1. Because of them two only the witch had the ability to see a soul.
3. The witch did not resurrect or brought Samuel to life, it was his soul.
4. God would not speak to king Saul through dreams or by the living prophets so he took his chances at a dead one. He was desperate.
5. What Samuel said was Saul and his armies would be defeated by the Philistines, him and his sons would die tomorrow. These things actually happened.
6. Truth doesn't have to be full of hope. Samuel just plainly told the truth. There are obviously things Jesus said that are hopeless. Ex. "Apart from me you can do nothing." "You will die in your sins" and many more.
7. Saul's way of getting answers by way of a witch was utterly wrong. It was Samuels words, not of the Lords.
8. Samuel when summoned did not perform miracles and signs he was just telling his knowledge of what to come.
Here's one more thing to help you evaluate "soul-sleep". How come Moses appeared with Jesus on the mount of transfiguration?
I have came to conclusion that we aren't supposed to reconcile or try to connect with the dead not because its not possible but because drew a line that we must not connect with the dead ..so this was Samuel but king Saul was not supposed to go to witches because he knew God himself told him to chase all unclean people the time they had good relationship
So let's only focus of God and do what he needs us to do in order to see his kingdom lets forget about this scripture because nobody is explaining it right and this scripture on its own it won't bring us closer to God 🙌
WE NEED NOTHING BUT JESUS AN THE BIBLE TO KNOW GOD ALL WE NEED....
If it wasn’t Samuel then I wonder why the word of G-d calls him “Samuel”??
Help me to understand how the resurrection works without a soul? How can someone resurrect if they do not have a soul? Example, someone's body has been disintegrated in acid and is no more. How will that person resurrect if they do not have a soul to be put into a new body? The whole notion of resurrection requires some form of self-retention after death that will be put in a new body and be judged at the resurrection. Or else millions of completely destroyed, scattered, non-existent bones of humans won't be able to resurrect for judgement. So please, explain that?
Secondly, in the book "dictionary of early Christian beliefs" by David W. Bercot, it has all the ante-Nicene church leaders' sayings on all sorts of topics compiled into one dictionary. In there, I have not seen any early Christian deny that souls exist, they all agree they are not immortal and can be killed again but they all agree that the soul is a spiritual substance of a person that waits for the resurrection via Hades (a very Greek ideology).
Since there is still another 12 hours of waiting. I'll give you the short answer. "Did The Ghost Of Samuel Appear To Saul?" No!
I don't wish to argue with you. However, if I don't point out some errors I feel I would be doing a disservice to you. I will make an effort to keep it brief (as brief as I can) in attempt to not spark further debate.
First the question was, did he talk to his "ghost"?
Secondly that scripture you quoted, they were saying they wouldn't believe unless someone was risen from the dead. the reply to them was since you already don't listen, even if that happens you still won't listen.
Thirdly if someone has the street name of booger and you don't know their real name and you're writing to someone referring to them you might call them booger even though that's not what they really are.
Fourthly and most importantly. (The main reason for responding at all.) We do not "have" an immortal soul. As this is more important I'll give more references about this. God confirmed it when he said in Genesis 3:22 "[...] lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Not only is it a gift that we can receive but, why would God give eternal life to someone who is about to be consumed (to do away with completely) in fire. You get eternal life as a gift if you are raised in the first resurrection. Check out Luke 14:14.
The one thing all learned Christians can agree upon is that God is love. God bless you and yours friend.
@@EricSaavy the Bible says that Saul seeked out a woman with a familiar spirit. God did not want Saul to do that and the spirit that came up was not the spirit of Samuel. The state of the Dead is Ecclesiastes 9 verse 5. The dead know not anything. Go and read that because when Samuel died that was not him that came and spoke to Saul. Go and read your Bible about the state of the Dead
@@elaineriley4863 Amen sister reading and meditation is key along with prayer ofcourse 🙏
@@LAV1320 yes indeed my friend. 🙏😇
@@scrowneck5742 very well put my friend. I could not have said it any better
This poor man is fighting against the ineffable Word of God, with his own reasoning of why it couldn't had been Samuel when the word clearly said it was Samuel. As a matter of fact, everything that the "spirit of Samuel" said came to pass. Can demons prophesy?