Surprisingly….there are some of us out here Time Attacking these cars still. Paul’s an awesome guy and works super hard to get his car out to events. Hoping we can link up this summer at some point. Great video!! Thanks for covering it!! These cars are the forgotten. But those of us that campaign them, love them.
Still regret never getting mine on to the road course back when DSMTuners was still sponsoring me and Andrew Brilliant. Was a fun car and I still wish I could buy it back and shove it in the garage as a restoration project.
@@MrJessegsx I haven't been on there for years, but Ludachris and I are now playing with Mustangs. You can probably find old posts from me on there under the username mavisky from around the early 2000's.
Mine too, I did a swap on my esi and hit a deer doing 122 on a drag strip at Martin raceway, obliterated the car but I walked away without a scratch or even bruise , that was my first car
This thing is awesome! Thanks for covering this Larry. I always wanted a 2nd gen DSM but my 1990 Talon TSi AWD will always have a special place in my heart. I had a 2003 Evo 8 as well so I spent many years behind a 4g63. It is a great motor. Both of my cars were around 400hp daily drivers and they served me well.
Never doubt the determination of the little guys they will sneak up on you and hurt your pride when they kick your ass with a shoe string budget and a dream. Great feature Larry thank you
Man this is one of the best cars for time attack! 1g as well. Very aero dynamic wedge design, low roof line. AWD and best of all the Mighty 4G63 engine. Perfect combo.
I used to race BMX with Paul around 18 years ago. He had a nice red 2nd gen Talon TSI then. He would give me rides in that thing. Man that is a huge part of what got me into cars earlier, seeing those guys and hanging out. Very cool and nice person. Congrats on the wild build Paul!
These were amazing in the 90s.. if it had been in the fast and furious they would be worth way more.. I’d buy one if you can find one.. I can’t find any with less than 115k miles and not dead
Picked my 95 gst up a few years ago when they started getting hard to find. Could not even find a decent one in AZ had to drive out to Cali. Now she completely gutted getting engine bay shaved and only go fast parts. Probably gonna keep the smiley 95/96 body work too.😉
About 10 years ago..the eagle talon was THE car I wanted as a kid. Everyone had a eclipse..and I of course wanted to be different and have a talon. If I could find one in good condition in my area (small town) id get one for a aide project 100%
I wish he kept the Eagle bumper. These were just as rare back in the 90s. First time i saw one i was riding on a bicycle with a Larami supersoaker and this guy in my neighborhood had a green one. Thing was just awesome.
hell yeah! pumped to see someone runnning a talon in time attack! so awesome! and 700 hp in a 7 bolt? seems like everyone these days does a 6 bolt swap.
@@konigvonpreuen8065 all the local high horsepower guys are running 6 bolts and tell me I’m dumb for wanting to build the 7 bolt already in my car haha. I still wanna try and build it. Any specific recommendations for the 7 bolt other than disabling the clutch switch for start up and not putting a heavy sprung clutch?
The main benefit to the 6 bolt is just the bigger crank and rod journals. I run a stroked 6 bolt, and never had any issues. Definitely looking at going to a 2G head though. And possibly an Evo III intake manifold.
Mother of mercy…. The bubbled Talon is still my favorite of all the DSMs. This is why Jesus don’t give me no money. My driveway would be full of project cars
heyyyy i gave this man 2 bushings from my gsx drive train so he can run his final lap before his tranny blew that day! lol excited to see him again at this year SLB
@@smokin80 Its difficult in us , but in norway / sweden and nz they have a lot of teams still rung rally cars based on evo 1-3 an they have a lot of ,,manufacture team level'' parts such as, short ratio diffs and seqentail gerboxes. For them its sorta like getting used parts from former nascar teams.
7 flywheel bolts as opposed to the earlier "6 bolt" engines which had 6 flywheel bolts. The 7 bolt engines had issues with crank walk due to their thrust bearing design where the 6 bolt engines did not suffer from the same affliction. The later 4G63's that came in the Evo 5-9 (which are also technically 7 bolt engines) and some of the later versions of the old style 7 bolt 4G63 were given a split thrust bearing that solved the issue.
I was running a Shep stage 3 trans at the event and sheared every tooth off 4th gear after this interview. I dont believe John supports the DSM platform anymore and has moved on.
@@MrGsxr007 Highly highly recommend checking out TRE for drivetrain components for these. Imo John over there is the best there is when it comes to working over these old transmissions. He's a huge nerd for this stuff though and getting ahold of him is difficult because he is always working in the shop and ignores his phone often and if you do get ahold of him expect to talk for a while as he rabbit trails on topics like heat management for the gearset and what oils are best and stuff like that. I'll never take my stuff anywhere else.
dsmtuners is a great resource, but the site does not fabricate parts for road racing, or provide racing transmissions. these cars are old and have no where near the support from manufacturers as other platforms is what I was getting at.
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Why doesn't anyone ever put a downforce fan in these cars like the Chaparral 2J?
Dude nice man! I just moved to the Austin area and am in the process of turning my 1990 talon into a time attack car! Super sick and many luck!
Surprisingly….there are some of us out here Time Attacking these cars still. Paul’s an awesome guy and works super hard to get his car out to events. Hoping we can link up this summer at some point. Great video!! Thanks for covering it!! These cars are the forgotten. But those of us that campaign them, love them.
I cannot make the meet lol. my car does not work as a boat haha
@@ec17pse you’re excused lol
Still regret never getting mine on to the road course back when DSMTuners was still sponsoring me and Andrew Brilliant. Was a fun car and I still wish I could buy it back and shove it in the garage as a restoration project.
@@mavisky oh man. Been on Tuners a looong time. That’s awesome. Get another one!
@@MrJessegsx I haven't been on there for years, but Ludachris and I are now playing with Mustangs. You can probably find old posts from me on there under the username mavisky from around the early 2000's.
Was an honor meeting you Larry, thank you for the awesome video. Look forward to seeing you at some other events in the future.
I don't think Larry realizes how capable the 4G63 is and how it's arguably the best production built 4-cylinder ever.
DSM builders are like hidden superheroes. RIP my 91 GSX, she gave her life to save mine.
Rest in peace DSM, you will not be forgotten. 😔
I do have to ask though, how did she give her life?
@@toxicmasculinity7870 Lady turned in front of me
Mine too, I did a swap on my esi and hit a deer doing 122 on a drag strip at Martin raceway, obliterated the car but I walked away without a scratch or even bruise , that was my first car
I respect this build so much. 4G63 is a legend and it's nice to see a unique car, DSM for life!
These cars need more love. The original awd done right from Mitsubishi. And the 2 door 4g63.
This thing is awesome! Thanks for covering this Larry. I always wanted a 2nd gen DSM but my 1990 Talon TSi AWD will always have a special place in my heart. I had a 2003 Evo 8 as well so I spent many years behind a 4g63. It is a great motor. Both of my cars were around 400hp daily drivers and they served me well.
Never doubt the determination of the little guys they will sneak up on you and hurt your pride when they kick your ass with a shoe string budget and a dream. Great feature Larry thank you
Awesome! I need to do more composite parts on mine. It amazes me that you got that thing into the 2500lb range!
My Brother Had A Eagle Talon It Looked Sweet With That Turbo Hood Beautiful Build
Its so nice to see native michiganders in time attack motor sports its mostly muscle cars here so love to see even a dsm racing
Had a 1st gen gsx eclipse with an evo turbo back in 2010. Car was a riot, should have never gotten rid of it
Outro never gets old
Man this is one of the best cars for time attack! 1g as well. Very aero dynamic wedge design, low roof line. AWD and best of all the Mighty 4G63 engine. Perfect combo.
I used to race BMX with Paul around 18 years ago. He had a nice red 2nd gen Talon TSI then. He would give me rides in that thing. Man that is a huge part of what got me into cars earlier, seeing those guys and hanging out. Very cool and nice person. Congrats on the wild build Paul!
Thanks man, those were some good times for sure!
A talon was the 1st car I worked on with my friends and the 1st car I felt BOOOOOOST
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I love the DIY/privateer-ness of this!
The talon and eclipse are so underrated and never mentioned when people discuss the 90s cars.
Love it!!!!! DSM are sooooo good when running properly
This beast is a beauty! Great build!
These were amazing in the 90s.. if it had been in the fast and furious they would be worth way more.. I’d buy one if you can find one.. I can’t find any with less than 115k miles and not dead
Picked my 95 gst up a few years ago when they started getting hard to find. Could not even find a decent one in AZ had to drive out to Cali. Now she completely gutted getting engine bay shaved and only go fast parts. Probably gonna keep the smiley 95/96 body work too.😉
Lots of people run that CTSV brake swap on the DSMs. I got it on my 91 Talon. Works great.
About 10 years ago..the eagle talon was THE car I wanted as a kid. Everyone had a eclipse..and I of course wanted to be different and have a talon. If I could find one in good condition in my area (small town) id get one for a aide project 100%
nice hat cant have those headlights sharpie
I wish he kept the Eagle bumper. These were just as rare back in the 90s. First time i saw one i was riding on a bicycle with a Larami supersoaker and this guy in my neighborhood had a green one. Thing was just awesome.
hell yeah! pumped to see someone runnning a talon in time attack! so awesome! and 700 hp in a 7 bolt? seems like everyone these days does a 6 bolt swap.
Nothing wrong with a 7 bolt bottom end if you know how to prevent crank walk. The 2G head is also arguably better for road racing.
@@konigvonpreuen8065 all the local high horsepower guys are running 6 bolts and tell me I’m dumb for wanting to build the 7 bolt already in my car haha. I still wanna try and build it. Any specific recommendations for the 7 bolt other than disabling the clutch switch for start up and not putting a heavy sprung clutch?
The main benefit to the 6 bolt is just the bigger crank and rod journals. I run a stroked 6 bolt, and never had any issues. Definitely looking at going to a 2G head though. And possibly an Evo III intake manifold.
Hockey stick hood support:love it!
Loving the seat! Thanks Larry (Lar Lar Team Go Go!) for all the awesome content!
epic build. I fell like a newbe.Thank's Larry
Helll yeaaa 🔥🤙🤙🤙, rare to see them on the track as well as on the street
Mother of mercy…. The bubbled Talon is still my favorite of all the DSMs. This is why Jesus don’t give me no money. My driveway would be full of project cars
Was dope meeting you in NJ. (Im the Fist bump thru the fence guy 😆) thanks for the stickers🙌🏾
Monterey Coming
He's so correct about the lack of support for this chassis. Its kinda crazy when it's supposed to be somewhat of a halo car
the hanger rear seat the sandal the front
DSM love!
A true DSM, mix & Match of parts
This thing is unbelievable
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whoa........ that is rad! Love the time attack content brother!!!
Building a 1g time attack style street car
DSM is one of the best turbo cars of all time
Awesome guy, real car just having fun. Love it. 💯💯💯💯.
Living the dream!
since phantoms on sixes at seven horses
Wicked cool Larry!
What surprises me is he wears a longsleeve shirt when it’s 90 degrees out
Easily one of my favorite cars next to the Eclipse GSX
same same.... But different.
hooni museum you sweeping continuously
Man I missed me some Larry Chen
Pure bad assery!!
Had a couple early evos,served me very well..
He should get Norris supercharged/turbo engine, 1000+bhp..
hes from mine Sc, right i seen him before 100% goodfeller
heyyyy i gave this man 2 bushings from my gsx drive train so he can run his final lap before his tranny blew that day! lol excited to see him again at this year SLB
The hockey stick for the hood tho hahaha
Very nice
2500lb? Wow!
Video tape makes anything look okay
Long live the DSM
Just subscribed.
I wonder what his exact set up is and how in the world is the stock transmission still holding up
Is that HUUUGE front splitter for sweeping the road or for metal detecting? 😲😁😇
Looks so much fun to drive. Let me get the keysssss
What a cool car and story
Awesome car
uphill climb the scent if its still around
Yeesssssssssss
dsm/eclipse could use drivetrain parts from evo 1-3
Very difficult to find these days!
@@smokin80 Its difficult in us , but in norway / sweden and nz they have a lot of teams still rung rally cars based on evo 1-3 an they have a lot of ,,manufacture team level'' parts such as, short ratio diffs and seqentail gerboxes. For them its sorta like getting used parts from former nascar teams.
Privateer.. damn!!
Can we call this the "Cyber Talon" please
Hi bro... Try to find a dodge colt/mitsubishi lancer 1989-1992 model its the forgotten lancer.....
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Dudes gotta be rich.......I love the ride though. Buddy of mine had a heavily modified 4G63 in a GSX and that sum bitch was FAST......
For time attack, is it better AWD or FWD car??
I think there are different classes for each
Did they keep the Hi-cas or equivalent from eagle/mitsu?
If you mean 4 wheel steering, DSMs were never offered with that. Only 3000GT VR4’s had it.
What is 7 bolt? 7bolt to the manifold? 7 bolt to the turbo?
7 flywheel bolts as opposed to the earlier "6 bolt" engines which had 6 flywheel bolts. The 7 bolt engines had issues with crank walk due to their thrust bearing design where the 6 bolt engines did not suffer from the same affliction. The later 4G63's that came in the Evo 5-9 (which are also technically 7 bolt engines) and some of the later versions of the old style 7 bolt 4G63 were given a split thrust bearing that solved the issue.
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What about shep transmissions
I was running a Shep stage 3 trans at the event and sheared every tooth off 4th gear after this interview. I dont believe John supports the DSM platform anymore and has moved on.
my fishing pal stands at elevation your feasant before fly
Can anyone repeat what aero package he’s running? I got ‘carbonetics’ but I can’t understand the “am v2” or something he repeats a few times. Thanks
AMB Aero V2, designed by Andrew Brilliant, fabricated by Carbonetics
@@MrGsxr007 thank you! There’s a local DSM running this aero package at the Knox hillclimb. Been seeing it for years, always been curious about it
@@320icar yes that would be Garrett Mealing of Mealing racing, him and I talk often
if this one is on steroids then what is Red Demon on? 😆😆😆
I know they are 2 different tools but hey lol
Pretty Shep transmission and Buschur racing have a trick up their sleeve to help ypu with that tranny weak link Sir.
Had a shep stage 3 at the race, completely shredded 4th gear.
@@MrGsxr007 Highly highly recommend checking out TRE for drivetrain components for these. Imo John over there is the best there is when it comes to working over these old transmissions. He's a huge nerd for this stuff though and getting ahold of him is difficult because he is always working in the shop and ignores his phone often and if you do get ahold of him expect to talk for a while as he rabbit trails on topics like heat management for the gearset and what oils are best and stuff like that. I'll never take my stuff anywhere else.
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How dare you call it an eclipse. That's worse than calling a starion a conquest.
Literally what it is
Hey…hey, hey. Starion owner triggered🤣🤣
Not much support tha F* is dsmtuner then
dsmtuners is a great resource, but the site does not fabricate parts for road racing, or provide racing transmissions. these cars are old and have no where near the support from manufacturers as other platforms is what I was getting at.
We need to stop saying “XYZ ON STEROIDS”. It’s 2022 and it shows a complete lack of creativity
You want to see another badass Eclipse,. do a youtube search for "John Freund eclipse".