The HONESTY of Mormon Church Leaders
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- How honest do the leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints need to be? Well, if 2023 has taught us anything, when it comes to finances, "not very" seems to be the answer. Which is why it perhaps isn't as shocking as it might have once been that Richard C. Edgley gave a talk in April 2006 General Conference that may well be one of the most hypocritical I've ever listened to!
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Great video NEMO. You have a gift. Thanks for the shoutout!
No problem 👍
You’re my kind of people Nemo!!
I’m a Mormon.
We should believe the Scriptures, not man.
And the Scriptures testify the Mormon Church is the only true Church of Jesus Christ on Earth.
But if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture, think twice about believing it.
I understand why so many people are leaving the church.
Many false doctrines exist causing countless TH-cam videos mocking Mormonism.
False doctrines like grandpa gods, (God the Father has a father)
Mormons becoming gods of their own planets,
Adam helped create the earth,
Christ and Satan are brothers,
God the Father has rarely spoken in Scripture,
The African Americans were bad in the pre-existence; all of which no Scripture verifies.
And each Sunday the Sacrament is tainted because only Elders and Priests can administer but the Deacons
prepare/administer, and the Teachers pass/administer the Sacrament. (D&C 20:57)
And the Lord says, He’s bound when we do what He says but if not there is no promise. (D&C 82:10)
…that the scriptures might be fulfilled; for ye shall do according to that which is written. (D&C 24:14)
And we wonder why there’s depression, mental illness and other unspeakable events among us?
And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not
a part of their click.
Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture.
The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel
testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired.
I’ve talked with church members who think they have some kind of spiritual connection to these men (church leaders)
even claiming these men verify in their talks personal revelations.
But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire Planet.
For example,
In 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition.
This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God.
Therefore, if the Mormon Church is the only true church then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet.
For what other church is the one and only true Church with temples?
And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rights of God's
priesthood and using the priesthood against God, as did Judas.
Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of?
It's as plain as the nose on a face.
And God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased
He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26) and the 12 blaspheme His
name in the mist of His house.
God Himself tells us these men are heinous.
Joseph Smith taught the false doctrine of grandpa gods (God the Father has a father) not over the pulpit as
a prophet but as a sermon at a funeral, which should not be taken as Scripture fulfilling God’s sayings to
Paul, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thessalonians 2:11)
That they might be damned who believed not the truth….(2Thessalonians 2:12)
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7) (D&C 112:23-26)
And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our
Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself but Scripture says there is no greater than
our God. (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses,
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him
but really there are?
Does He not want us to know this?
Why is it a secret?
There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him.
Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting
Lucifer before God.
And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God.
Not only that, our God also becomes a liar.
He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all.
He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God.
He and the Scriptures say He created all things.
And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the
current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and calling God and the Scriptures a lie.
And Isaiah warns,
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil.
Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars and fosters the false doctrines.
Peter, John, Paul, Alma, Nephi, Lehi, Jacob and all the canonized prophets would not allow false
doctrines from the Adversary but President Nelson does.
President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3)
Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President
Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie.
Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests,
Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these
commandments? (Mosiah 13:25)
I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil
concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26)
And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey?
Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35)
Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before
God. (Mosiah 12:30)
And it is a false doctrine to say God our Heavenly Father has rarely spoke to us in Scripture.
(3 Nephi 27:26), (3 Nephi 24:1). (2 Nephi 31:20), (2 Nephi 31:11) (D&C 49:20)
Beware of the doctrine of the scribes and Pharisees, which are today’ Church leaders. (Matthew 16:6-12)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Mathew 23:15)
I’m a Mormon.
We should believe the Scriptures, not man.
And the Scriptures testify the Mormon Church is the only true Church of Jesus Christ on Earth.
But if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture, think twice about believing it.
I understand why so many people are leaving the church.
Many false doctrines exist causing countless TH-cam videos mocking Mormonism.
False doctrines like grandpa gods, (God the Father has a father)
Mormons becoming gods of their own planets,
Adam helped create the earth,
Christ and Satan are brothers,
God the Father has rarely spoken in Scripture,
The African Americans were bad in the pre-existence; all of which no Scripture verifies.
And each Sunday the Sacrament is tainted because only Elders and Priests can administer but the Deacons
prepare/administer, and the Teachers pass/administer the Sacrament. (D&C 20:57)
And the Lord says, He’s bound when we do what He says but if not there is no promise. (D&C 82:10)
…that the scriptures might be fulfilled; for ye shall do according to that which is written. (D&C 24:14)
And we wonder why there’s depression, mental illness and other unspeakable events among us?
And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not
a part of their click.
Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture.
The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel
testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired.
I’ve talked with church members who think they have some kind of spiritual connection to these men (church leaders)
even claiming these men verify in their talks personal revelations.
But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire Planet.
For example,
In 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition.
This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God.
Therefore, if the Mormon Church is the only true church then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet.
For what other church is the one and only true Church with temples?
And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rights of God's
priesthood and using the priesthood against God, as did Judas.
Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of?
It's as plain as the nose on a face.
And God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased
He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26) and the 12 blaspheme His
name in the mist of His house.
God Himself tells us these men are heinous.
Joseph Smith taught the false doctrine of grandpa gods (God the Father has a father) not over the pulpit as
a prophet but as a sermon at a funeral, which should not be taken as Scripture fulfilling God’s sayings to
Paul, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thessalonians 2:11)
That they might be damned who believed not the truth….(2Thessalonians 2:12)
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7) (D&C 112:23-26)
And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our
Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself but Scripture says there is no greater than
our God. (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses,
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him
but really there are?
Does He not want us to know this?
Why is it a secret?
There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him.
Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting
Lucifer before God.
And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God.
Not only that, our God also becomes a liar.
He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all.
He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God.
He and the Scriptures say He created all things.
And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the
current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and calling God and the Scriptures a lie.
And Isaiah warns,
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil.
Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars and fosters the false doctrines.
Peter, John, Paul, Alma, Nephi, Lehi, Jacob and all the canonized prophets would not allow false
doctrines from the Adversary but President Nelson does.
President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3)
Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President
Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie.
Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests,
Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these
commandments? (Mosiah 13:25)
I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil
concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26)
And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey?
Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35)
Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before
God. (Mosiah 12:30)
And it is a false doctrine to say God our Heavenly Father has rarely spoke to us in Scripture.
(3 Nephi 27:26), (3 Nephi 24:1). (2 Nephi 31:20), (2 Nephi 31:11) (D&C 49:20)
Beware of the doctrine of the scribes and Pharisees, which are today’ Church leaders. (Matthew 16:6-12)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Mathew 23:15)
I’m a Mormon.
We should believe the Scriptures, not man.
And the Scriptures testify the Mormon Church is the only true Church of Jesus Christ on Earth.
But if something is taught that can't be verified by Scripture, think twice about believing it.
I understand why so many people are leaving the church.
Many false doctrines exist causing countless TH-cam videos mocking Mormonism.
False doctrines like grandpa gods, (God the Father has a father)
Mormons becoming gods of their own planets,
Adam helped create the earth,
Christ and Satan are brothers,
God the Father has rarely spoken in Scripture,
The African Americans were bad in the pre-existence; all of which no Scripture verifies.
And each Sunday the Sacrament is tainted because only Elders and Priests can administer but the Deacons
prepare/administer, and the Teachers pass/administer the Sacrament. (D&C 20:57)
And the Lord says, He’s bound when we do what He says but if not there is no promise. (D&C 82:10)
…that the scriptures might be fulfilled; for ye shall do according to that which is written. (D&C 24:14)
And we wonder why there’s depression, mental illness and other unspeakable events among us?
And many are leaving the church because if you don't fit the mold the church leaders sculpture you're not
a part of their click.
Mormons believe the church leaders over Scripture.
The zealous believers have the church leaders in mind with everything thing they think say and feel
testifying to impress others how much they believe the current church leaders are God-inspired.
I’ve talked with church members who think they have some kind of spiritual connection to these men (church leaders)
even claiming these men verify in their talks personal revelations.
But the Scriptures reveal the church leaders are the problem with the entire Planet.
For example,
In 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 we are informed of a person revealed as the son of perdition.
This son of perdition sits in the temple of God making himself God or above all that is called God.
Therefore, if the Mormon Church is the only true church then the only person 2 Thessalonians chapter 2
could be talking about is the current Mormon prophet.
For what other church is the one and only true Church with temples?
And Joseph Smith taught a son of perdition can only be a church member holding all the rights of God's
priesthood and using the priesthood against God, as did Judas.
Therefore, who else other than the current Mormon prophet could the apostle Paul be speaking of?
It's as plain as the nose on a face.
And God in the Doctrine and Covenants tells us about the current church leaders and how displeased
He is saying the end of this world will begin among them. (D&C 112:23-26) and the 12 blaspheme His
name in the mist of His house.
God Himself tells us these men are heinous.
Joseph Smith taught the false doctrine of grandpa gods (God the Father has a father) not over the pulpit as
a prophet but as a sermon at a funeral, which should not be taken as Scripture fulfilling God’s sayings to
Paul, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (2 Thessalonians 2:11)
That they might be damned who believed not the truth….(2Thessalonians 2:12)
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (Revelation 13:7) (D&C 112:23-26)
And the current Mormon prophet is the son of perdition because he has all the saints believing God our
Heavenly Father was created by a being greater than Himself but Scripture says there is no greater than
our God. (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the son of perdition has all the saints breaking the first commandment God gave Moses,
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Does it make sense to reasonable thinking that God would command we have no other gods before Him
but really there are?
Does He not want us to know this?
Why is it a secret?
There’s a reason He commanded to have no other gods before Him.
Because by believing in false grandpa gods the saints believe our God is an infinitely lesser God putting
Lucifer before God.
And the moment we put a god before our God, our God becomes an infinitely lesser God.
Not only that, our God also becomes a liar.
He and the Scriptures says He is the greatest of all.
He and the Scriptures says He is the Most High God.
He and the Scriptures say He created all things.
And in the Scriptures He says over and over there are no gods beside Him. (Isaiah 44:6) (Isaiah 44:8) (Isaiah 45:22) (Hebrews 6:13)
Therefore, the saints believing there are gods before Him is the saints believing the son of perdition or the
current Mormon prophet over the Scriptures and calling God and the Scriptures a lie.
And Isaiah warns,
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! (Isaiah 5:20)
The saints call the son of perdition (President Nelson) good and good (Jesus Christ) evil.
Because President Nelson says Christ and His Father are liars and fosters the false doctrines.
Peter, John, Paul, Alma, Nephi, Lehi, Jacob and all the canonized prophets would not allow false
doctrines from the Adversary but President Nelson does.
President Nelson says Christ did not create all things. (John 1:1-3)
Matter/energy cannot be created or destroyed the scientists say therefore the son of perdition or President
Nelson says the grandpa gods created these calling Christ and the Scriptures a lie.
Well did Abinadi warn the wicked king Noah and his priests,
Have ye taught this people that they should observe to do all these things for to keep these
commandments? (Mosiah 13:25)
I say unto you, Nay; for if ye had, the Lord would not have caused me to come forth and to prophesy evil
concerning this people. (Mosiah 13:26)
And what is the commandment Abinadi taught that the people do not obey?
Thou shalt have no other God before me. (Mosiah 12:35)
Know ye not that I speak the truth? Yea, ye know that I speak the truth; and you ought to tremble before
God. (Mosiah 12:30)
And it is a false doctrine to say God our Heavenly Father has rarely spoke to us in Scripture.
(3 Nephi 27:26), (3 Nephi 24:1). (2 Nephi 31:20), (2 Nephi 31:11) (D&C 49:20)
Beware of the doctrine of the scribes and Pharisees, which are today’ Church leaders. (Matthew 16:6-12)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Mathew 23:15)
"Latter-day Saints... The most honest people in the world" -- That line made me chuckle
Just incredible levels of irony!
What a great opportunity it would have been for the church to exemplify Christ’s teaching of repentance and contrition. I’m LDS and a tax attorney, and I’ve dealt with countless attempts by companies who get caught trying to “elevate form over substance” and get slapped with penalties. There’s no way the church or its advisors were unaware of the legal risks of their position if audited. It’s sad that dishonesty exists in church leadership, but even more disturbing how the church deflected accountability afterward. I thought this was Christs church, now I’m not so sure in what sense.
GOOD POINT
You're lds and a lawyer? Sorry for you, bro
They followed competent legal advice and it turned out to be wrong. Where is the dishonesty?
Oh so you're a member and tax attorney, and you're hanging out on TH-cam listening to liars. Sure you are. What you are is a fake. Nothing lower than a liar for hire.
@@johneasler9967 you're a fake Christian and not even a fake lawyer? You should feel sorry for yourself.
I love how there is no emotional bias from Nemo, it’s always factual and objective. Exactly what we need to see their hypocrisy!
I do my best!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON And it shows.
@icecreamladydriver1606 he's best at lying.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D I am not sure what he is lying about if he is.
I'm astonished that he can speak of the LDS church as being the most honest.
It was founded by a man who never let truth get in the way of his lies.
"Always is this dishonesty based on greed, arrogance, or disrespect."
Ah yes, because no one has ever stolen anything because they've been hungry, thirsty, cold, or unwell and in need of medicine.... or shoes for their children because they just gave their last dime to a 'charitable organization' and have nothing left.
Excellent point!
I believe that he was referring specifically to practices by those in business to advantage themselves or their organizations, and as fallacious and hypocritical as it might have been, those in such positions are not going to be acting badly for the reasons you mention.
Nothing was more anger-producing for the Lord than hypocrisy among the church leaders of his day. He rebuked them to the max. Betrayal is the word I use to describe the LDS church today. The hidden evil in this claimed religious organization is beyond my comprehension…
Wow hidden evil… please elaborate.
Hidden evil what are you referring to, because of one man’s dishonesty the entire organisation need not to be condemned?
There’s plenty of evil, just go look. All the way back from old Joe himself lol
They sit in the high seats so to be worshipped while they tell the members they can become gods if they pay 10 percent. Not really hidden...@@ironeagle9850
@joyfuljoyful6598 yes right down to pedophile Joseph Smith. Rotten to the core. All of it
It's interesting to me how honesty as a church leader is separated from honesty as a business person.
I’ve only recently learned of all the deceit within the Church that can be attributed to various leaders, up to and including the Prophet and First Presidency. I’m still reeling from the realization that dating back to Joseph Smith and his account(s) of the first vision that our firm foundation of the restoration was not firm at all. Without Nemo’s posts, along with Mormon Stories and many others, I would still be in the dark. I now know this is not God’s church. As devastating as this has been, I am soooo grateful that there are those that still believe the truth is sacred, and go to great lengths to share these truths. Thank you, thank you for playing such an important role in my deconstruction. I truly believe God knows all and these leaders will be held accountable at the appropriate time. Keep sharing my new friend!!!
🫂
Please reconsider. Tax law is full of gray area. They took a legally defensible position. There was no dishonesty.
I’m glad you’ve found this helpful!
@ironeagle9850
I get that there may be many gray areas in tax law. However, if a position is legally defensible, then why were they fined?
@@erniechambers8845 it wasn’t a fine, it was a settlement. If the government had a good case for fraud, they would have prosecuted. But they don’t have a good case. It’s all gray area. There is nothing dishonest about exploring the gray area. It happens all the time in tax law. Please don’t fall for this faithless perspective.
Greed, arrogance, and disrespect were the three values the Church employed in its hiding-the-money scheme.
Totally true
Another great exposure Nemo. Thank you.
" You can buy anything with money " - new LDS motto 😉
It’s as if the philosophies of men are being mingled with scripture.
Literally sick
Have you any money?
This is making me laugh so much! The irony is off the scale!
I’ve not encountered these levels before!
Nemo, this video is both damning and tragic. When Edgley condemns others for "Greed, arrogance, and disrespect," how can he keep a straight face? I honestly want to know.
As a lifetime member with a lot of questions and misgivings, a big question I've struggled with lately is whether some of my beloved leaders of the past, such as Gordon Hinkley, could have known about much of the terrible things I'm learning of. If they did know, where they deliberately choosing to do evil? Or were they drunkenly stumbling along, believing they were doing right?
I don't want to condemn them, but it's getting harder and harder to see how they weren't actively doing dishonest and wrong things in the name of the Savior.
Someday we'll know. I can only do my part and keep faith in what I believe to be true, and cut the strings of the things that I'm seeing are troublesome, dishonest, and wrong. Thanks for bringing facts to light, even if we don't agree on everything.
hEY!! news flash! Hinkly lied, big time, in his famous ( or infamous) interview with Larry King Live, a few years ago, right on TV, regarding mormon docrine and what mormons teach and believe. I believe Hinckly alsointerviewed with Mike Wallace on SIxty Minutes. CHeck those interviews out for yourself.
Don’t lose faith my brother. Where will you go if you leave? The church is a ray of light in a darkening world. The church took competent legal advice that turned out to be wrong. If you’re familiar with tax issues, the law is full of gray areas. There is no dishonesty in taking a position that is legally defensible. Please consider the character and the goodness of our leaders. They are exceedingly honest and good, as evidenced by Bishop Edgley’s example with the towels. It is an inaccurate comparison by Nemo. Don’t fall for it.
@@iceguy9723sorry but the lying behavior started in the late 1990s so he has been a part of it from the beginning.
I’m glad you are able to take the parts of what I do that you find helpful, and disagree when you feel inclined to, that’s so much better than completely agreeing with me or completely rejecting me! So glad to have you here :)
I am sure the talk was made to throw off members to avoid any interest about what was and is going on and coming out , that had just been revealed. The church is a big company . and the talk a necessary commercial for the brand, that doesn't deliver, but runs on emotional programming so money keeps rolling in. It works . Members are still not interested in knowing what is going on around the big bussiness.
The contradictions run deep with the LDS.
I place his alleged behaviour under the long time practice of "lying for the Lord" to protect the "Kingdom of God on earth". And if he has recieved the the "Second Anointing" then he can do whatever the heck he wants to.
Would love to hear the modulus tones of Brother Oakes quoting this "Though I am not naturally honest, I am sometimes so by chance" (Autolycus in "A Winter's Tale)
The video was right on spot, Nemo. Leaders don't live up to the standards they teach the members. I doubt they ever have to go through any disciplinary council or go a few weeks without partaking the sacrament. Apperantely, they can do no wrong.
No they have all had the 2nd anointing so they feel they can do whatever they want.
Since you haven't a clue one way or the other and are just a fake Christian, maybe you should worry about yourself.
@@marathon-3hr now you're showing your stupidity.
@@marathon-3hr WE will see what Christ has to say about their anointing. I think they will all get a free trip to the lake...
I ran a small photography business and most of my clients were members of my ward. They did everything to cheat me? I had to quit.
So sorry to hear that!
The LDS leaders do not have any accountability whatsoever! They lie for the “Lord” and are guaranteed to have eternal salvation with their second anointing! 😂
That's what they think.
Nope this church is false. They ain't going nowhere nice.
They will be found guilty at the final judgement...
Liars are going to lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.
Remember the end justify the means. Honesty is only how you define it. And hey as long as the church makes a profit it's all good.
Excellent work, Nemo. I think the “closed” verbiage is really meant for the SEC matter, but true to form, the ambiguity likely targets members as well. It’s definitely still open for members who understand what happened and are bothered by the blatant dishonesty and institutional arrogance.
I actually work as a CPA for a Fortune 500 wealth management firm, including some federal reporting (not 13f), and this case is a huge deal.
If you were a good CPA for a Fortune 500 company, you wouldn't throw out that lie. Honestly, no doubt, not one of your talents.
It's amazing how often GAs are hypocritical.
So good!! Thank you for sharing!!
You are so welcome!
Such behavior reminds me of “the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees” in the book of Matthew, “for they say, and do not.”
Very well done video, Nemo! I always look forward to your posts.
It is very pharisaical behaviour!
It's because it's Pharisitical Arianism. It's nothing new or unique. Been around long before it was called Mormon or LDS
Exactly, but the church is always true!
They regret being caught.
I’m sure they do!
Precisely. The only regrets of the executive managers in this matter are: being called out as deceptive, the loss of face, and the millions of USD in punitive damages.
Actually, the millions fined are so trivial in comparison to the greater wealth assets, that these the executive managers care very little. Only if the fines came out of their personal compensation would they care.
You sir are brilliant!! Excellent, succinct and well-delivered. Thank you.
Thank you kindly!
My husband worked for a company that was LDS. The owner was such a lying scum - coming up with excuses for not having the job done on schedule (had not even started the job) equivalent to "the dog ate my homework"! He was even called to the Stake Presidency. Definitely an inspired calling😂 No honesty and integrity in the boys club in the white tower at 50 E North Temple.
Sure. Your problem called lying. How would you or your husband know anything about he being called to the president because of his job. Most likely he gave your husband advice you didn't like. Nemo is just acting like a little girl.
@@WatchingwaitingG2DIt is known that when choosing members of new stake presidencies that one of the factors used in making a selection is a consideration of who is paying, not just a "full tithe", but who is paying the highest numerical amounts of tithing.
@barryborras7618 such an emotionally immature response... most mor(m)on thing I've ever read. Ad hominem and spite. No love, no truth
@jfintex43 Sure, you could say since you're hearing people throw out hate and you accept it blindly. But then you're not a real Christian to begin with. You can't tell what it is true because you don't care to. So you go on in your pretense of being a loving person of all, compassionate and caring, while you're being a hypocrite at the same time. Oh, and you're showing your age. Some people never learn.
@JP-JustSayin it is known that the way to tell when a person hasn't a clue to what they're saying is when they lie through their teeth. You have a problem telling the truth. Very cowardly fashion, I might add.
We made a few “items” for one of the temple remodels, realized they didn’t care if they priced you out of business, and things are way better since we said no thank you and removed ourselves from doing any more business with them
Is it me, or do every single person speaking all sound the same, with the same "tones" of voices, with the ebbs and flows as they talk in such monotonic ways. This seems to be a very common thing among the LDS church leadership, why is that?
It's phony, droning pitch and tone intended to anesthetize the brains of the listeners. Tone/speed/volume of voice is known to have an effect on listeners. Actors have voice coaches for a reason. Hitler didn't yell and froth to make his audience feel calm, relaxed and kindly towards Jewish people🤣🤣
They are gently trying to brainwash people.
It's gets the listeners in a hypotonic state.
It's a "standard" same as the dress code 😉 I'm sure there is a mandatory speaking class teaching such.
I could not sit in a bishop's office and say the matter is closed when it come to my tithing? How much i pay? How much more i give? Matter not closed
leaders of the money, follow the money.
Follow the profit
Man that abused on my life would always spit that in my face while he told me he didn’t believe in the religion yet play the game with his family .
Thanks, Nemo, for another informative video. I appreciate your hard work and that of the person who brought this to your attention.
My pleasure!
With that church leader's perfectly vetted accent and delivery, and the backdrop of past and current events. Gotta love such an entertaining video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm just commenting to boost the algorithm. Love your work, Nemo.
Cheers for that, much appreciated!
Great episode Nemo!!
Cheers!
Follow the profit,
be phishers of men.
Amazing content and well delivered as usual Nemo.
Much appreciated!
Thanks, Nemo, your friend, according to RFM, Barry the Mensch
My pleasure Barry!
Genius presentation! Your mind is a treasure.
Glad you think so!
Great video Nemo.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great show, Nemo!!!❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
I send these videos to friends and family who I think should take a moment and try to HONESTLY reason with what they believe in and who they give there MONEY to and maybe change the way they think THEN maybe this will improve our time together and they will stop seeing me as a fallen sinner who just wants to pick a fight with the church.
THANKS NEMO!!!
I really hope they help with your family!
This is going to keep biting them in the arse for a very long time. Pass the popcorn.
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This is Brilliant Nemo! This is you at your best. A sharp analysis without too much guessing, conjecture or emotion. I wish they would make a "Mormon no more 2". And then it should have all of this stuff, talk more about the "CES letter" etc. Your stuff has the further advantage of being current.
Thanks!
Skillfully researched and tactfully presented. This is a fair, unbiased and factual account of just one more example of the problem.
Thanks, glad I was able to strike the balance!
The way that you put things together with precision and evidence is amazing!
Thank you very much!
Excellent content as always! Keep up the good work!!
Cheers!
This was bloody brilliant.❤
Cheers!
Wow. This is an example of blatantly and knowingly taking the Lord’s name in vain
Indeed it is!
Delaware is the state to open corporations
So I’ve heard!
They don't call it Dodgy Delaware for nothing.
@NEMOTHEMORMON
this is such fantastic analysis. As a financial professional who knows a thing or two about federal reporting, I can confirm that even a year later there is much to be concerned about here.
I pushed the issue through my local leadership and received a response from the OFP regarding the misleading nature of the PR Statement, in which they flatly referred me to the selfsame PR Statement for resolution. To his credit, my bishop pointed out the circular reasoning in that response and was essentially told it is what it is. I am devastated.
I've been on the Boards of Diirector of Christian Churches in Colorado. If we would have done 1/10th of these shenanigans our congregation would have rightly called THE POLICE on us. Forget about just not re-electing us to serve- which is completely unpaid as well.
Do these guys NOT know how bad this looks and to the:outside.
This is a fantastic video! Thank you, thank you, thank you NEMO!
Glad you enjoyed it!
The hypocrisy is infuriating.
Seems like there should be a 14th Article of Faith that reads something like: "We believe that these Articles of Faith are applicable to the church members and not the general leadership." Would definitely clear things up!
Yes, that would provide some great clarity!
Thanks!
My pleasure! Cheers for the donation!
In conversation with a friend the other day (we are both LDS), this SEC debarkle came up -he said do you really thing the Prophet new what was going on it was the Employees he said , the lawyers I responded with well its the Prophet who writes the cheques! of course he new!
The SEC order makes is abundantly clear that he knew!
Thank you for keeping everyone informed about this dishonest corporation!
My pleasure!
I have family who live in Vacaville, California. A mormon bishop there, James Haskell, has been arrested and charged with abusing his 4 adopted children. His wife has fled the country and mormon bishop James Haskell is looking at life in prison. How did he become a bishop? The mormon apostles in salt lake city claimed God told them mr James haskell needed to be the next mormon bishop in Vacaville. Disgusting!
Excellent video, Nemo
Many thanks!
You are amazing. I love your analysis of LDS inconsistencies.
Thanks! Glad you appreciate it!
I actually want to do a study on the full extent of how much the church produces in plastic waste ie. sacrament cups and church activities
It seems the problem of church authorities is not necessarily of *honesty*, but of *Intellectual Honesty*.
They obviously know the church is lying about what it is and their ability to talk to god yet he keeps lying to get money
Church of liars…
Mastered groomed from the womb lying
You simply cannot make this stuff up! It would have been so much simpler to just comply with the law and be honest.
The church loves money more than honesty....
Excellent work.
Cheers!
If only the church had some sort of objective standard of expected disclosure when dealing with "the widow's mite."
You know, like the degree honesty and transparency expected from a widow when she asks to use the Bishop's Storehouse.
gotta love those professionally filmed, gauzy focused and softly lit interview pieces with GA's, like the one with Bednar. reminds me of Kari Lake.
The thing that made me wake up to the lies from leaders were your fact checking videos. Thank you for your hard work to spread truth!
You're very welcome
Brilliant, Nemo!
Cheers!
And people get perturbed when I relate the scribes and pharisees to the prophets and apostles today...
They shouldn’t, because it’s rather apt!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON and foretold in Mormon scripture...(D&C 64:38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion. 39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known. 40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.
It sounds like Zion has some great leaders at the helm... 🙃
How do we donate if we live in the States? Genuine question.
donorbox.org/nemothemormon
Bravo!
Cheers!
As a financial crime analyst, shell companies are a HUGE red flag, and we terminate any clients we find using them. Also, many companies file as businesses in Delaware because the filing and tax laws are less strict. It’s a pretty common thing to do, unfortunately. They all use the same address in Delaware as their business location.
How about 'Lying lips is an abomination to human kind'.
The 14th Article of Faith: We believe that the end justifies the means.
They should get that canonised ASAP
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The gall of these people. It is leadership of this church that brings disrepute upon the church. But that's ok Because lying for the lord is alright
I have always wondered what Dieter Uchtdorf thought of RMN' s magic plane ride in 1976. As a professional pilot he must have known it was more than only an embellishment. When I was at byu in the 1980's my roommate was getting his masters degree in Psychology. He told me more than once about the therapy that was going on. A gay man was shown a photo of a nude female was part of the therapy using an electric shock was another part of the therapy. He came home more than once and vented how awful he felt witnessing it and yes it was going on and someone at byu was probably very proud of it.
Well done.
Cheers!
Brilliant video as usual Nemo. Factual, exposing hypocrisy and graft in the Church. It's up to the members to work to change things. There are many of us who haven't left so that we can slowly bring the Church back to what Christ wanted.
This is completely normal behavior from people who have no regulation, accountability or oversight. A group of very successful businessmen will run everything they touch as a business. None of this is surprising once you look behind the curtain.
D&C 42:21 Thou shalt not lie; he that lieth and will not repent shall be cast out.
The hypocrisy of executive management of the LDS Church is on full display.
D&C 42 and 59 are the promised law given by Jesus Christ to the fledgling Church in 1831. This became the standard He held the early Saints to in their quest to build Zion.
The failure of the early Latter Day Saints to follow His modern Ten Commandments as clearly articulated in Sections 42 and 59 resulted in the failure of Zion and their expulsion from Missouri. It's such a pity that the executive managers of the Church still fail in the same way.
When Saints say 'Amen' and receive the Sacrament, they affirm the officiator's prayer over the bread, that they "...witness unto thee, O God, the Eternal Father, that they are willing to take upon them the name of thy Son, and always remember him and keep his commandments which he has given them..." D&C 20:77.
IMHO, hypocritical Apostles, Seventies, and Presiding Bishops should refrain from accepting the sacrament until they actually keep God's law, His Ten Commandments.
It's things like this that make me go full Doomer mode and say, 'Everyone's a hypocrite. Do whatever you want.' 😬
Well done Nemo!
Cheers!
I think "honesty" and "Mormon Church" is an oxymoron. By the time I left the Mormon church, I was totally convinced of the leaders' corruption and total lack of honesty and integrity.
Good research, thank you 👍
Nemo, there is another issue. The church invested tithing money into ZCMI and other businesses many decades ago. My opinion, good idea. That investment has grown significantly. However, church leaders are paying themselves from the investment. They are then making a false claim, they are not receiving Tithing money. That, is absolutely ABSURD and yet another twisted tongue claim. There were also issues in Australia. Australia doesn't allow tithing to be tax deductible. So, the church started a Tax FREE corporation which members could donate tithing to and receive a tax deduction. Not exactly unethical but, dirty. Australia has a law, any money donated to a TAX free entity, can NOT be moved out of Australia and must be used in Australia. The church moved the money. The issue became a big deal and Australia. Australia then accused the Church of STEALING. One more thing: Not being able to go to the temple unless pay tithing, is a BRIBE. The Law of Moses was fulfilled. Yet, Tithing is being enforced by an IRON FIST. In early 1900s, Joseph F. Smith stated he was looking forward to the day tithing would NOT be mandatory as the store house would be full. Well, the store house is over filled. Did Christ Fulfill the LAW of MOSES? If yes, do modern leaders have the authority to over ride our Savior's mission and removing, and or, altering the higher law?
Watch out for my short on the latest updates to the Aus situation, cheers for your comment
Do as I say , not as I do
What honesty….😡
If the first lie that you tell yourself is "I am an honest man"...then the second and third lies that you tell yourself and others are told without effort or any tinge of conscience.
They are as honest as they know how to be.
Another week, another facepalm. I don't know how you manage Nemo, but I appreciate the vids!
Glad you enjoy it!
The obvious truth concerning the church and integrity is so very sad, yet honestly true.
"Mistakes were made".
The typical cop-out phrase to dance around the fact that people had intentions with their decisions.
Absolutely!
Absolutely brilliant Nemo. Hypocrisy at the top, expected
Projecting his failings.
I am more honest than the church that taught me the principle. That is one of the reasons i had to leave. Due to the 2nd anointing the church leadership are not responsible to be the example. LDS church leadership are the example of the ultimate level of hypocrisy. I dont regret statements made. And the matter is not closed.
Jesus said we should be honest or else Satan becomes our father, "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began...he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) and Colossians 3:9 says "Do not lie to one another." It's repeated throughout the Scriptures.
Which leads to the conclusion, the leaders of the church are currently in bed with the devil
Wow! You made some excellent points. I have to say I am very disappointed in these men that I use to look up to and thought I should strive to be good like them. Are these the false prophets Jesus warned us about?