Brother Stilgo I admire your stamina and persistent against such obviously entrenched leaders. Please continue. I have your concerns but neither your energy or eloquence. I have held many callings for over 40 years and never satisfied by leadership above the stake Presidency level. As Bishop I came into many situations where I was directed contrary to my conscience and understanding of scripture. My current situation is one of attending inactivity due to a lack of faith and trust in the churches general authority. My faith in Christ remains. My belief that the LDS church is fundamentally true is in tact but shaky.
I love the way your brain works, Nemo. Thank you for using it to call out pharisaical behavior among the church leaders. It is time for truth to truly prevail.
@@Sam-tu4hp I did watch the video, for instance, nemo implies that president Nelson’s airplane story is a lie. However, he does not have unequivocal conclusive evidence to prove that is a lie. There could be facts that he is missing. He hasn’t spoken directly to president Nelson about that incident nor heard all the details from him, so he cannot firmly come to the conclusion that president Nelson told a lie about that story. This is the same with his other claims of the church lying. He doesn’t have all the context nor details. Nemo is jumping to conclusions to fit his antimormon narrative. And then broadcasting this on his TH-cam channel. Antimormons do this with church history and policy criticism as well. If the IRS sees things that don’t make since to them on tax forms they do an audit to better understand the whole picture. This audit involves both parties providing data. Nemo is not doing a fair audit of these claims before labeling church leaders as liars.
@@utahman112 Nemo and others have proven beyond the shadow of doubt that the airplane story told publicly several times is a lie. There are flight records that prove the incident was not as Nelson described them. You’re in such a hurry to defend the church, you’re missing the fact that Nemo is trying to help make it better
Nemo, I appreciate your efforts to go through the church's protocol to express your views. It is eye opening that this doctrine is not followed at top levels.
The most disheartening thing about this IMO, is that devout members won't even care about the leaders lying to everyone. They will just find a way to justify it or simply brush it off and not allow themselves to think about it.
It is sad. I've brought up issues such as these with my father, and he brushes it off saying that the "good name of the church" needs to be protected. So pretty much how they're perceived by other people is more important than doing the right thing. I love my pops, I really wish I could get him to see things how I do but he's approaching old age and I don't see that ever happening
I agree it's disheartening to see all the stubbornness but just think about all the people we _do_ know who have had their shelf broken, or at least added to, by things exactly like this. It took a number of things for me, but eventually my shelf did break and I left and my opinions against the Church have only matured and grown since then because I learned about even more things like this. That exact timeline is shared by so many others. While it may appear at first that this is having little to no affect on TBMs, it absolutely is!
Great video! There are different groups that have different reasons for not having an issue with the "lying". My father always taught me that prophets are fallible. TBMs that have read books like rough stone rolling, read the essays as soon as they came out etc. Know the prophets have been fallible from day one. I'm in my 30s and I get details wrong when I'm telling stories from a year ago. My dad is 60s and he gets things mixed up all the time. President Nelson is 98. Not hard for my dad and I to forgive him for not remembering the details of evens from over half century ago. All that said, electrotherapy was wrong. Even a hard core TBM who believes gay marriage is the devil's work is unlikely to believe that elctro therapy was inspired by God. Seems to me a formal apology from Oakes is the least damaging response here.
@@MichaelWalmsleyJr President Nelson forgot how much the previous prophets Hinckley and Monson invested in being Mormon but since they're dead they can get thrown under the bus.
Once I noticed that when you go to church leaders with legitimate questions or concerns (especially concerns about a particular leader), it is not just dismissed, but you are systematically and repeatedly given the run around in the hopes that you eventually just drop it, that is when I allowed myself to question the church narrative. After that I began studying the church history and it was all downhill after that.
Thanks for producing an edited-down version of this story! I love the insight the various podcasters have added to this situation but this video will be much easier to share because of its condensed nature :)
Reading Stake. I was in the Newbury Branch back in the late 80s, early 90s and my stake center was in Reading. I'm still a member, but I'm glad you are asking fair questions.
Wow, they really are clearly wishing this would just go away. They truly don't care about your concerns. I worked in government correspondence answering letters from the public about government programs. Our team had way more actual desire to answer questions and a commitment to address every point in the letter. I remember several occasions where my drafts were sent back to me with comments of, "but you didn't really answer the question." Everyone really tried. And that was the *government.*
Nemo “cuts down the cherry tree” in Dallin Oaks front yard. Nemo cannot tell a lie but “electro-shockingly” Dallin Oaks sure can. Nemo brilliantly “short circuits” the personal and public integrity of the future prophet of the LDS Church. ⚡️
@@shelly442 😂 thanks for that uplifting Christmas message! Wouldn’t the leaders who are lying also be in trouble too? The scriptures talk a lot about what happens to liars
It seldom bodes well for whistle blowers; they are nearly always seen by those in authority as destabilising to the status quo. In a healthy organisation they are welcomed as a source to recognise areas to improve. Members needs to recognise the Church is not perfect (fallible) and like individuals the principle of repentance should also apply. Importantly the principle of repentance needs to be seen to work in practice through all levels of the Church. In the long run, this aligns the Church more fully with Gospel principles and makes the Church a better vehicle for the work of the Lord. Bless you in your efforts - you are a braver member than I.
Wow! I have no words here... The denial of Christ and his teachings by those involved with your inquiry are serious to consider! I greave for the lack of consideration that has been given to you! Hugs my Friend! 😎♥️
God is wonderful in His orchestrations! I was just kicked out of a Ward today (I have to investigate to discover the reason, although I suspect it is because of my refusal to replace scripture with modern-day policies as to how I should conduct my life and walk with Christ), and came home and this was the first video I saw on youtube! Thank you for all of the work you do, and all of the real sacrifice you make. You and others like you have helped me to see what it actually means to walk the path that Jesus trod.
Orchestrations? Is that the right word? What a splendid word--and so many applications. For Al Capone, it was "organized crime." For Dallin Oaks, who has made a career of lying for the Lord, it is "orchestrated crime."
Thank you so much for what you were doing in regards to the vote and the refusal to sustain and what is to be done Amazon answers you were given by the general authorities they don't know what to do they think they're Above the Law and nothing can touch them I beg to differ thank you so much for all of your efforts these are questions that need to be answered
Just commenting to show support from Florida, Nemo. You have reached and touched so many people all over. Keep up the amazing work! It's incredible to hear my orthodox TBM family members respond to my concerns about ecclesiastical abuse and lies in ways that just dismiss my concerns. The church structure puts up such an effective smoke screen, that many of my family members can't bear to cross or break it for themselves. Maybe one day, I can show them some of your videos that will lead to them finding true empathy for the outcome of those who have tried sincerely to express honest concerns.
You're on fire, Nemo! I never imagined you would have gotten a personal response from a top leader in the first place. Your latest follow-up letter is spot on. Let's hope you get another response.
Your command of the English language makes me envious as can be Nemo. I have a lot of reading and Writing to do to. Thanks for sharing your experience with your audience, I found you on Mormon stories. I’m now subscribed. Thank you for your persistence and demands of the church leadership to maintain accountability to the rest of the church membership. Sadly it’s looking like your letters will just about leave them no choice but to rip their sheepskins off and reveal the decrepit old bones of wolves that they really are under them. Im looking forward to their response and what you say as well.
@@DeathValleyDazed well if smith is sneeky and cheeky what can you say about david and solomon. Why God chosen them even though God knows them perfectly.
Incredible work. It's just so sad that they can't just say that they lied and were wrong. Like... You teach that you're not perfect, so why not just say you lied?
No, he needs to continue to raise the flag that deception is flagrant in the LDS church. From 2 years after Joseph Smith received the gospel, is was corrupted
I love your Channel Nemo, great job!!! Question: Do the Apostles pay tithing? I know that during Brigham Young's Presidency they voted that the first presidency and apostles were exempt from paying tithing. Is this still the case? Does anyone know? Thank you
OMG, I'm speechless. But I'm not surprised. If only these men recognized how much trust they could build by owning their mistakes, poor choices, etc. What a tragedy.
Liking and commenting for the algorithm. Everyone should see the hard work and passion here. Nice work man. (Btw I saw u on the mormon stories podcast so I figured I could stop by 🙂)
The problem with getting contact from the first presidency when you oppose as far as I know, is that you need to meet with your local leadership. Since I live in Utah, every single member that I've known are devout members meaning that they will simply brush off the lies that the senior leadership have said.
Nemo!!!! I hope you read this. I am HOMELESS LDS in California. Does the church help? You know the answer to that. I am fortunate to have a testimony that isn't average. Unfortunately, if a senior member of the church engages in Misconduct, they are MEN. As such, I have no more respect for leaders of the church than any other men. I applied to BYU. I was REFUSED. I don't feel part of that church. I continue to participate and to hell with those that don't walk the walk but only talk. My Brother in Law is a direct decedent of Hugh B Brown. My Brother in law's wife, co-conspired in stealing 3.5 Million dollars from me which is the cause of my homelessness. They live the good life while I am defecated upon. You think you are fighting a battle..... I understand more than 99.9999% of the world. And, although Tithing is in the D&C, once it is enforced by an IRON fist, it is the law of Moses; Done deal!!. So much more to say but won't.
Notice how the final goal is to be with family! No mention of Jesus Christ the actual Savior whom paid for our Sins,died excruciating nailed to a cross, then went into Sheol! And was raised on the third day, all that we could be reconciled with the Father!...🤔
According to the church's scriptures, The Book of Mormon teaches if the higher judges judge or act unrighteously, they are to be judged by lower judges according to the voice of the people (church members). Mosiah 29:28-29 28 And now if ye have judges, and they do not judge you according to the law which has been given, ye can cause that they may be judged of a higher judge. 29 If your higher judges do not judge righteous judgments, ye shall cause that a small number of your lower judges should be gathered together, and they shall judge your higher judges, according to the voice of the people. If local authorities agree with the evidence, the church's scriptures teach they are to gather together and judge the higher judges. So concerning who is the first presidency accountable to, according to scripture, it's accountable to the members of the church.
This is really incredible. It should not be this hard to ask “who’s holding the people at the top accountable?” The answer is: nobody. Absolutely nobody. Similar as to here in the US when the police are assigned to investigate themselves in policy or legal misconduct and, lo and behold, no wrongdoing is ever found. Same thing. Oaks investigated himself and, by golly gee, he determined he did nothing wrong. It’s incredible.
Just an alternative thought here. I'm Fundamentalist Mormon and in our system of belief and understanding of mormonism, the Church is a democracy and leadership of the Church CAN be voted against or for by its members.
I'm just a visitor/investigator but I was asked recently why I don't join in on the votes. I explained that it appears like a tradition and I don't see the point in participating. One member told me they do it to "support the church". I see no harm in supporting the church but why is it presented as a vote?
I hope you are enrolled in a good law school. The church of Jesus Christ of later day Saints would benefit greatly from a talent such as yours! Sincerely Bryce
Sustaining vote at 1:05. I have come to the realization that many members do not understand what the word sustain means. They will often challenge the authority of local leaders and not support their decisions regarding a stake or ward. However they still give a sustaining vote at ward or stake conference. It does not surprise me when people including leaders act oddly when there is a person who gives an opposing vote. They don't know what to do. And what exactly is supposed to be done after a person does oppose? Many leaders probably never took it that seriously in the past since opposing votes made up less than 1% of active membership at conferences.
I attended conference (in my prior life before being an ex-Mormkn) in both the Tabernacle and Conference Center. Looking around the Conference Center and the 22,000 in attendance, I wondered what would happen if you stood and opposed a vote. Would anyone dare oppose? I doubt they would outloud even if they did. Thank you for this very insightful program.
Was the letter to you from Dallin Oaks really destroyed? Or was it "excised" from your stake president's computer and secured in a Church vault? Might the letter be restored years later, when some external pressure leads to its discovery and dissemination?
Everytime I hear Pres. Neilson I cringe because the evidence concludes he is a liar. The evidence Nemo has provided is valid. Great work, Nemo, and very brave.
But NEMO, there's one huge problem with Common Consent and where the brethren hold the ultimate trump card! That is, "Continuous Revelation." When you have the ability to change the rules...move the goal post at anytime, you can excuse any behavior. What would be noble is an acknowledgement of the wrong doing and dishonesty to each individual offense. Rather than the lawyerly and universal approach of, "we regret..." Or "prophets are fallible."
Nemo, you're incredibly methodical and patient. Like several others here, I feel that top leaders have shown themselves to not be what they profess, beyond any doubt. However, I admire your tenacity and discipline to try so hard to get them to engage with you on issues that matter--issues which, if treated the way they're treated when you or I err, give cause for counsel, correction and sometimes disciplinary action. One question on the second anointing: is there anything written about it that suggests it guarantees recipients unwavering church standing if they sin their way to celestial glory?
Loved this video, it really it's needed to know how we can be opposed and be heard, leaders who believed there are no issues make bad decision. Have you posted the second part of this video, or what's the name of that video. Mucha appreciated.
Dear Nemo, I have one wee question to ask which I have also asked on Quora "Why does the LDS Church not allow some of its congregation into its temples? Jesus said, "Whatsoever You Do to the Least of My Brothers You Do unto Me"; Matthew 25:40." I thought of this question when I was watching your videos and heard that you were refused a Temple recommend to get into a Temple. I found that rather odd as all are welcome into a place of worship. I am not a Mormon and you are but in terms of the temple we are treated the same and refused entrance. Good luck with your endeavours and remember what the Anglican Bishop of Worcester Hugh Latimer said in 1555 "tell the truth and shame the devil".
Brother Stilgo I admire your stamina and persistent against such obviously entrenched leaders. Please continue. I have your concerns but neither your energy or eloquence. I have held many callings for over 40 years and never satisfied by leadership above the stake Presidency level. As Bishop I came into many situations where I was directed contrary to my conscience and understanding of scripture. My current situation is one of attending inactivity due to a lack of faith and trust in the churches general authority. My faith in Christ remains. My belief that the LDS church is fundamentally true is in tact but shaky.
The purpose of opposing votes - To find free thinkers who need to be watched.
The general authorities have destroyed my faith in them and I don’t know what to do about it.
The faith is in Jesus Christ, not in general authorities.
I love the way your brain works, Nemo. Thank you for using it to call out pharisaical behavior among the church leaders. It is time for truth to truly prevail.
My pleasure!
Yeah truth prevails in the Book of Mormon, not a TH-cam channel seeking to find faults in those trying to serve in the church
@@utahman112did you watch the video?
@@Sam-tu4hp I did watch the video, for instance, nemo implies that president Nelson’s airplane story is a lie. However, he does not have unequivocal conclusive evidence to prove that is a lie. There could be facts that he is missing. He hasn’t spoken directly to president Nelson about that incident nor heard all the details from him, so he cannot firmly come to the conclusion that president Nelson told a lie about that story. This is the same with his other claims of the church lying. He doesn’t have all the context nor details. Nemo is jumping to conclusions to fit his antimormon narrative. And then broadcasting this on his TH-cam channel. Antimormons do this with church history and policy criticism as well.
If the IRS sees things that don’t make since to them on tax forms they do an audit to better understand the whole picture. This audit involves both parties providing data. Nemo is not doing a fair audit of these claims before labeling church leaders as liars.
@@utahman112 Nemo and others have proven beyond the shadow of doubt that the airplane story told publicly several times is a lie. There are flight records that prove the incident was not as Nelson described them. You’re in such a hurry to defend the church, you’re missing the fact that Nemo is trying to help make it better
Thank you for everything you are doing. Men who are worshipped and never help accountable are very dangerous men.
Please change help to HELD.
Hear no truth, see no truth, speak no truth is the routine of the hierarchy. Your last response was simply stunning.
Almost everything the Mormon Apostles say boils down to: "Trust me bro."
I admire you so much Nemo! This was perfection👌🏼
Thank you kindly!
Wow dude! Thank you for trying to keep these people accountable. Because it sure seems no one else is...
Cheers!
You're my hero. Thanks for giving all of us a voice. THANK YOU
Nemo, I appreciate your efforts to go through the church's protocol to express your views. It is eye opening that this doctrine is not followed at top levels.
I appreciate that!
The most disheartening thing about this IMO, is that devout members won't even care about the leaders lying to everyone. They will just find a way to justify it or simply brush it off and not allow themselves to think about it.
I've tried to talk about a few problems but the bishop responded saying he doesn't care about internet trash.
It is sad. I've brought up issues such as these with my father, and he brushes it off saying that the "good name of the church" needs to be protected. So pretty much how they're perceived by other people is more important than doing the right thing. I love my pops, I really wish I could get him to see things how I do but he's approaching old age and I don't see that ever happening
I agree it's disheartening to see all the stubbornness but just think about all the people we _do_ know who have had their shelf broken, or at least added to, by things exactly like this. It took a number of things for me, but eventually my shelf did break and I left and my opinions against the Church have only matured and grown since then because I learned about even more things like this. That exact timeline is shared by so many others. While it may appear at first that this is having little to no affect on TBMs, it absolutely is!
Great video!
There are different groups that have different reasons for not having an issue with the "lying".
My father always taught me that prophets are fallible. TBMs that have read books like rough stone rolling, read the essays as soon as they came out etc. Know the prophets have been fallible from day one.
I'm in my 30s and I get details wrong when I'm telling stories from a year ago. My dad is 60s and he gets things mixed up all the time. President Nelson is 98. Not hard for my dad and I to forgive him for not remembering the details of evens from over half century ago.
All that said, electrotherapy was wrong. Even a hard core TBM who believes gay marriage is the devil's work is unlikely to believe that elctro therapy was inspired by God.
Seems to me a formal apology from Oakes is the least damaging response here.
@@MichaelWalmsleyJr President Nelson forgot how much the previous prophets Hinckley and Monson invested in being Mormon but since they're dead they can get thrown under the bus.
Once I noticed that when you go to church leaders with legitimate questions or concerns (especially concerns about a particular leader), it is not just dismissed, but you are systematically and repeatedly given the run around in the hopes that you eventually just drop it, that is when I allowed myself to question the church narrative. After that I began studying the church history and it was all downhill after that.
You are simply amazing, Nemo. Your logic, your honesty, and your polite way of conversing can not be ignored.
This is an absolute masterpiece. Nice work
Thanks for producing an edited-down version of this story! I love the insight the various podcasters have added to this situation but this video will be much easier to share because of its condensed nature :)
That was the plan, glad it’s worked out for you!
Reading Stake. I was in the Newbury Branch back in the late 80s, early 90s and my stake center was in Reading. I'm still a member, but I'm glad you are asking fair questions.
Wow, they really are clearly wishing this would just go away. They truly don't care about your concerns.
I worked in government correspondence answering letters from the public about government programs. Our team had way more actual desire to answer questions and a commitment to address every point in the letter. I remember several occasions where my drafts were sent back to me with comments of, "but you didn't really answer the question." Everyone really tried. And that was the *government.*
Thanks for adding details on how an ethical government answers constituents questions. LDS response is The Strengthening The Members Committee. 🤮
I think that it's their worst nightmare, a member is aware, and knows the doctrine, and the scriptures.
Thank you! So important to push the leadership to take opposing vote more seriously
Omgosh. You're awesome in standing for truth in leadership. Would that others did the same with POTUS and Congress.
Nemo “cuts down the cherry tree” in Dallin Oaks front yard. Nemo cannot tell a lie but “electro-shockingly” Dallin Oaks sure can. Nemo brilliantly “short circuits” the personal and public integrity of the future prophet of the LDS Church. ⚡️
Please use the term Faux Prophet when speaking of Oak-ey! haha
@@hal8683you mean Elder Hoax?
@@hal8683 you will be sorry scripture talks of people like you
@@Sam-tu4hp you will be sorry scripture talks of those who deny GOD and think they can lead others to damnation with them
@@shelly442 😂 thanks for that uplifting Christmas message! Wouldn’t the leaders who are lying also be in trouble too? The scriptures talk a lot about what happens to liars
It seldom bodes well for whistle blowers; they are nearly always seen by those in authority as destabilising to the status quo. In a healthy organisation they are welcomed as a source to recognise areas to improve. Members needs to recognise the Church is not perfect (fallible) and like individuals the principle of repentance should also apply. Importantly the principle of repentance needs to be seen to work in practice through all levels of the Church. In the long run, this aligns the Church more fully with Gospel principles and makes the Church a better vehicle for the work of the Lord.
Bless you in your efforts - you are a braver member than I.
Your thoroughness is amazing, and your persistance is truly inspiring... it reminds me of a certain 15th century German monk.
Kudos to you from British Columbia, Canada Nemo. You are legend!
Truly brilliant work
Nemo, you have my support 100%, thank you so much for taking such courageous stand, I'll be rallying you on every day
Bravo ma man, you're a hero!
Wow! I have no words here... The denial of Christ and his teachings by those involved with your inquiry are serious to consider! I greave for the lack of consideration that has been given to you! Hugs my Friend! 😎♥️
God is wonderful in His orchestrations! I was just kicked out of a Ward today (I have to investigate to discover the reason, although I suspect it is because of my refusal to replace scripture with modern-day policies as to how I should conduct my life and walk with Christ), and came home and this was the first video I saw on youtube! Thank you for all of the work you do, and all of the real sacrifice you make. You and others like you have helped me to see what it actually means to walk the path that Jesus trod.
Please stay faithful to God; don’t put your trust in men. Amen.
Orchestrations? Is that the right word? What a splendid word--and so many applications. For Al Capone, it was "organized crime." For Dallin Oaks, who has made a career of lying for the Lord, it is "orchestrated crime."
Thank you so much for what you were doing in regards to the vote and the refusal to sustain and what is to be done Amazon answers you were given by the general authorities they don't know what to do they think they're Above the Law and nothing can touch them I beg to differ thank you so much for all of your efforts these are questions that need to be answered
Absolutely incredible. Bravo!
So much work and effort went into this and finally someone holding them accountable for their words and actions 🙌
Brilliant & eloquent!
This is very good, Nemo, at last I understand what you are doing.
You are amazing, Nemo. Thank you for using your voice and your platform.
What a wonderful expose this is! Thank you for sharing it.
My pleasure
Doh, don't leave us with a cliffhanger.
Nemo, you are a genius! Well done my good and faithful servant. You are the man.
Your drive is inspiring.
Still great the third time! Mormonism Live, Mormon Stories, and now here! Intrigued by what happens next 😁
Just commenting to show support from Florida, Nemo. You have reached and touched so many people all over. Keep up the amazing work!
It's incredible to hear my orthodox TBM family members respond to my concerns about ecclesiastical abuse and lies in ways that just dismiss my concerns. The church structure puts up such an effective smoke screen, that many of my family members can't bear to cross or break it for themselves. Maybe one day, I can show them some of your videos that will lead to them finding true empathy for the outcome of those who have tried sincerely to express honest concerns.
Thank you very much for your time and effort. You will be blessed.
Very proud of you son, keep up the great work!
“ bows in awe to your thoroughness, logic, and flawless presentation.” The death star better pay attention :)
You're on fire, Nemo! I never imagined you would have gotten a personal response from a top leader in the first place. Your latest follow-up letter is spot on. Let's hope you get another response.
Good lord. You should be an investigative reporter. … oh wait, you are!
Absolutely incredible. Thank you for your efforts toward truth!! ❤️
Your command of the English language makes me envious as can be Nemo. I have a lot of reading and
Writing to do to.
Thanks for sharing your experience with your audience, I found you on Mormon stories. I’m now subscribed. Thank you for your persistence and demands of the church leadership to maintain accountability to the rest of the church membership. Sadly it’s looking like your letters will just about leave them no choice but to rip their sheepskins off and reveal the decrepit old bones of wolves that they really are under them.
Im looking forward to their response and what you say as well.
Thank you, I’ll be sure to keep you all informed!
If Oaks' next talk in GC is about sustaining and not criticizing leaders NO MATTER WHAT, I will have a hearty laugh.
I will release a video entitled, “I wrote Dallin. H Oaks’ Conference Talk”
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Looking forward to this video. Go Nemo!
what can you say about christ choosing judas if someday judas will sell him and christ know him(judas) from the beginning
@@allanlopez3850 Classic “Secret Combination” later codified in The Book of Mormon by that sneaky cheeky fellow Joseph Smith.
@@DeathValleyDazed well if smith is sneeky and cheeky what can you say about david and solomon. Why God chosen them even though God knows them perfectly.
Incredible work. It's just so sad that they can't just say that they lied and were wrong. Like... You teach that you're not perfect, so why not just say you lied?
Thanks for the update and thank you for your energy and engagement in this matter.
Sending you good wishes.
It won’t change a thing! Best to just Forgive them. 😊❤
No, he needs to continue to raise the flag that deception is flagrant in the LDS church. From 2 years after Joseph Smith received the gospel, is was corrupted
I love your Channel Nemo, great job!!! Question: Do the Apostles pay tithing? I know that during Brigham Young's Presidency they voted that the first presidency and apostles were exempt from paying tithing. Is this still the case? Does anyone know? Thank you
Thanks for your courage Nemo!
Douglas on his way to break the Mormon church 💣! Your work is immaculate!! Well done
OMG, I'm speechless. But I'm not surprised. If only these men recognized how much trust they could build by owning their mistakes, poor choices, etc. What a tragedy.
It’s a lesson in poor ecclesiastical and pastoral care
Liking and commenting for the algorithm. Everyone should see the hard work and passion here. Nice work man. (Btw I saw u on the mormon stories podcast so I figured I could stop by 🙂)
Thanks for stopping by!
The problem with getting contact from the first presidency when you oppose as far as I know, is that you need to meet with your local leadership. Since I live in Utah, every single member that I've known are devout members meaning that they will simply brush off the lies that the senior leadership have said.
Well done, Nemo.
Thanks!
Nemo!!!! I hope you read this. I am HOMELESS LDS in California. Does the church help? You know the answer to that. I am fortunate to have a testimony that isn't average. Unfortunately, if a senior member of the church engages in Misconduct, they are MEN. As such, I have no more respect for leaders of the church than any other men. I applied to BYU. I was REFUSED. I don't feel part of that church. I continue to participate and to hell with those that don't walk the walk but only talk. My Brother in Law is a direct decedent of Hugh B Brown. My Brother in law's wife, co-conspired in stealing 3.5 Million dollars from me which is the cause of my homelessness. They live the good life while I am defecated upon. You think you are fighting a battle..... I understand more than 99.9999% of the world. And, although Tithing is in the D&C, once it is enforced by an IRON fist, it is the law of Moses; Done deal!!. So much more to say but won't.
Nemo's disciplinary hearing in 3...2...
homeboy has the 2nd anointing and as such, he cannot sin. Sorry Nemo
So ridiculous on every level! What a fraud and brain screw!
Nemo and RFM have the 2nd Endowment too so it's fair.
How can he not sin
I suspect so!
@@justins5756 Humm False prophet?? Not Good!
Thank for being our voice Nemo!
This story is so epic I watched it twice (once on mormon stories and now here) and I'm not bored yet lol, keep it up! =D
Nemo, thank you for all your efforts!
Wow Dallin, looks like it's time to go -- Maybe take Russell with you.
Truly sad the lack of accountability. Are you concerned about the status of your membership in the church?
Nope, my local leaders don’t want to ex me
@@NEMOTHEMORMON you can do it if you really want to. Just send in your resignation
@@rogerbrunt5918 if they admit they lied I imagine Nemo and many many others will resign.
Notice how the final goal is to be with family! No mention of Jesus Christ the actual Savior whom paid for our Sins,died excruciating nailed to a cross, then went into Sheol! And was raised on the third day, all that we could be reconciled with the Father!...🤔
According to the church's scriptures, The Book of Mormon teaches if the higher judges judge or act unrighteously, they are to be judged by lower judges according to the voice of the people (church members).
Mosiah 29:28-29
28 And now if ye have judges, and they do not judge you according to the law which has been given, ye can cause that they may be judged of a higher judge.
29 If your higher judges do not judge righteous judgments, ye shall cause that a small number of your lower judges should be gathered together, and they shall judge your higher judges, according to the voice of the people.
If local authorities agree with the evidence, the church's scriptures teach they are to gather together and judge the higher judges.
So concerning who is the first presidency accountable to, according to scripture, it's accountable to the members of the church.
This is really incredible. It should not be this hard to ask “who’s holding the people at the top accountable?” The answer is: nobody. Absolutely nobody. Similar as to here in the US when the police are assigned to investigate themselves in policy or legal misconduct and, lo and behold, no wrongdoing is ever found. Same thing. Oaks investigated himself and, by golly gee, he determined he did nothing wrong. It’s incredible.
Always that fear factor of losing everything- 16:58 "and the pathway to your eternal home and happiness with your loved ones."
Just an alternative thought here. I'm Fundamentalist Mormon and in our system of belief and understanding of mormonism, the Church is a democracy and leadership of the Church CAN be voted against or for by its members.
Such a load of clams. Can’t believe how they roll.
I think people don’t oppose more, because they fear they will be shunned by other ward members
Brave man
I'm just a visitor/investigator but I was asked recently why I don't join in on the votes. I explained that it appears like a tradition and I don't see the point in participating. One member told me they do it to "support the church". I see no harm in supporting the church but why is it presented as a vote?
... to be continued.
Amazing work wow 😳🙌🏽
Thank you for presenting such educational information
I hope you are enrolled in a good law school. The church of Jesus Christ of later day Saints would benefit greatly from a talent such as yours!
Sincerely
Bryce
Sustaining vote at 1:05. I have come to the realization that many members do not understand what the word sustain means. They will often challenge the authority of local leaders and not support their decisions regarding a stake or ward. However they still give a sustaining vote at ward or stake conference. It does not surprise me when people including leaders act oddly when there is a person who gives an opposing vote. They don't know what to do. And what exactly is supposed to be done after a person does oppose? Many leaders probably never took it that seriously in the past since opposing votes made up less than 1% of active membership at conferences.
I attended conference (in my prior life before being an ex-Mormkn) in both the Tabernacle and Conference Center. Looking around the Conference Center and the 22,000 in attendance, I wondered what would happen if you stood and opposed a vote. Would anyone dare oppose? I doubt they would outloud even if they did. Thank you for this very insightful program.
How amazing would it be if all the exmos joined together and stood up to oppose?! I would really love to see that!
Pschh... I hate it when people just resend stuff instead of addressing any follow-ups or other additional specifics!
Was the letter to you from Dallin Oaks really destroyed? Or was it "excised" from your stake president's computer and secured in a Church vault? Might the letter be restored years later, when some external pressure leads to its discovery and dissemination?
I wish I had the power to convey information that clearly and confidently. You rock Nemo!!
Are you in Reading stake? I was baptised in Reading stake in 2006 when I was studying at University of Reading! Good work 👍 thanks for your effort
Everytime I hear Pres. Neilson I cringe because the evidence concludes he is a liar. The evidence Nemo has provided is valid. Great work, Nemo, and very brave.
Wow! 🥳
"We'll just give you a free ride out of town" feels about right for these cops.
Iacta alea est.
Good luck and god speed.
But NEMO, there's one huge problem with Common Consent and where the brethren hold the ultimate trump card! That is, "Continuous Revelation." When you have the ability to change the rules...move the goal post at anytime, you can excuse any behavior. What would be noble is an acknowledgement of the wrong doing and dishonesty to each individual offense. Rather than the lawyerly and universal approach of, "we regret..." Or "prophets are fallible."
Wow!
Nemo, you're incredibly methodical and patient. Like several others here, I feel that top leaders have shown themselves to not be what they profess, beyond any doubt. However, I admire your tenacity and discipline to try so hard to get them to engage with you on issues that matter--issues which, if treated the way they're treated when you or I err, give cause for counsel, correction and sometimes disciplinary action. One question on the second anointing: is there anything written about it that suggests it guarantees recipients unwavering church standing if they sin their way to celestial glory?
Tom Phillips, a recipient of the Second Anointing, has written about it. I also did a video covering the topic!
Loved this video, it really it's needed to know how we can be opposed and be heard, leaders who believed there are no issues make bad decision.
Have you posted the second part of this video, or what's the name of that video.
Mucha appreciated.
Dear Nemo, I have one wee question to ask which I have also asked on Quora "Why does the LDS Church not allow some of its congregation into its temples? Jesus said, "Whatsoever You Do to the Least of My Brothers You Do unto Me"; Matthew 25:40." I thought of this question when I was watching your videos and heard that you were refused a Temple recommend to get into a Temple. I found that rather odd as all are welcome into a place of worship. I am not a Mormon and you are but in terms of the temple we are treated the same and refused entrance. Good luck with your endeavours and remember what the Anglican Bishop of Worcester Hugh Latimer said in 1555 "tell the truth and shame the devil".
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They think God is an idiot.
They don't know GOD. Freemasons, ugh, don't get me started.
They think God is a man like them. That is the main issue.
Thanks buddy! I am very curious what the outcome may be. Do you think you will get resolution?
Thank you very much
You are welcome!
Fight from within