I live in Salt Lake City and have for most of my life and it is well established that nothing gets passed in the Utah state legislature that isn't approved by the Church. They have representatives at the capitol building whenever the legislature is in session. Everyone who spends time lobbying at the capitol knows the Church's power and has to deal with it. This is an outright lie and Elder Cook knows that. He has also had some questionable legal dealings before he was called to the 12. The Church works hard to appear squeaky clean, but they play dirty politics all the times.
You say "Church" like there is a department within the church that deals with political matters. "representatives" happen to be members but that does not mean the "church" is making the decisions.
The leaders are dishonest and untrustworthy, l am grateful for your content. I can have no conversations with my LDS family who are following blindly. Thanks Nemo.
Just so astute and thorough Nemo. You're the best! No one covers these outrages better than you. Your signature approach of concise , non nonsense ,laser to the heart of the matter style is so informative. And its all backed up with irrefutable evidence. And you package that up in minutes , rather than hours! Thank you so much.
Great job as always NEMO. Keep holding these leaders accountable. Although you’ll probably have an invitation to the court of love soon. Just ask Bill Reel what happens when you call these leaders out on their lies.
My question is, if they can predict the end of the world, tell us how much food to store in the basement, tell us to have a 72 hour kit, but they can't tell everyone to get face masks and toilet paper because God forgot to tell them about a global pandemic, what's the point of having a living prophet? All he does is quote the old prophets and hide historical events. It's really quite something. I would think that would have made enough people realize how not useful the prophets are. Oh well. Thank you for doing your part Nemo.
_Superb_ job, beginning to end, in finding and presenting the actual evidence in detail vs. the claims. Bravo! Sadly, you are unmasking the culture of a very troubled relationship with truth and honesty that the LDS have struggled with from the very beginning. It doesn't require brilliance to know that "something is rotten in Denmark" when most growing up in the church have had to learn from non-church historians and critics to go check their own history because the church couldn't risk teaching it to their own people. I remember my disbelief when first reading many of the accounts made available at BYU, of all places, and they lined up with non-Mormon accounts that everybody trashed, not the church. They certainly weren't advertised. If most members had learned all that by the end of middle school, say, I doubt that most would have remained members past high school or college and the institution would not have survived for more than two or three generations, at least beyond being a backwater Colorado City-style group of odd ducks. They have run a world-class deception internally as well as externally, and it is very sad for so many.
My god, if the church would just say, “in the past we . . . And that was wrong, we now no longer believe that. We now believe . . .” That’s it. Honesty is all we want. It’s so easy
@@NEMOTHEMORMON It’s another platform to listen to your amazing episodes. It would be great to listen to you simply because I drive a lot. Mormon stories and RFM are both on there as well.
True story about Elder Cook. About 20 years ago, there was a talk given by Cook that was widely circulated online. He claimed to have met Mick Jagger on a long flight (I don't believe Mick Jagger flies coach, but why was a humble servant of the Lord in first?) So Cook taught him about the Book of Mormon. Mick Jagger was initially very receptive, but when he realised he would have to be baptised and renounce his debauchery, he willfully chose the path of Satan, and stood up in the plane proclaiming that the Book of Mormon was not the word of God. All of which struck me as highly improbable! At that time, I worked for a university, and when you can say that, doors tend to open. So I phoned the Rolling Stones' PR manager. She asked me for a link, which I was happy to supply. She replied within a few minutes, assuring me the story was entirely false. "Just somebody having a bit of fun with his imagination," she said!
The leaders of this religion cannot be trusted. Many people have said that the brethren will lie for the Lord, I feel like they just simply lie for themselves. People in power will do anything to stay in power.
That they will, there is definitely something to the notion found in D&C that once men get a little power they will begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.
Is it possible that the Mormon leadership is never held accountable for what they say, so they have just become lazy and say whatever they want (regardless of whether it is true or not). I highly doubt that Quentin L. Cook cares about fact checking his statements with the utterances of Brigham Young or with D&C 134.
@@function0077 I think you are absolutely right. The leaders have carefully fostered the idea that they are not to be questioned even when they are wrong. When people sustain them as prophets, seers and revelators, they promise to follow them no matter what. Why would the brethren take the time to fact check? Before there were brave souls like Nemo, they could say all manner of untruths without being checked.
@@derralhawthorne4616 I agree. The internet and current and former Mormons are a winning combination that is pushing back against the out-of-touch Mormon leadership.
I remember when I first learned that black people hadn't been able to have the priesthood until 1978. I was a teenager. I'd had no idea up to that point, no one had ever mentioned it before that I can recall, and I confirmed it on an ex-mormon website when I first learned Joseph Smith had been a degenerate polygamist from some born-again Christians at school and decided to do my own research to prove them wrong (they were right). It was really shocking. I ended up learning a lot more than just Joseph Smith's wanton adultery. Of course, when I asked questions, no one who allegedly had "priesthood authority" could give a single satisfactory answer--and that was when I wanted to believe I was wrong! They couldn't give a good answer because there isn't one. Even "well, I guess maybe there were perhaps little mistakes and maybe the church wasn't entirely ideally perfect" excuses are just that: pitiful, unconvincing EXCUSES peddled by their snake oil salesmen leadership. The "well, some answers we may never know until after we're dead" is another one I grew sick of them repeating ad nauseum when they knew they were in a corner and didn't have the truth on their side.
Ah, the rich and powerful people. What can you expect. Honesty is for the lowly members, who are simply to obey - and don't have the justification/duty to mislead to preserve the church's good name/power.
Jane Manning James, an African American sister who served Joseph Smith's family, was sealed to Joseph to be his servant in the afterlife. It was a special sealing just for her. She was not allowed in the temple, and a white woman stood in as her proxy. This was done by the authority of the prophet at the time (I don't recall his name). So Jane is going to be Joseph's servant for eternity. The only bright side is that the Celestial Kingdom is bunk.
@@anastasiarose3800 Marin County CA had a successful public hospital which they leased to a private company, Sutter, who then ran it millions in debt intentionally. The county ultimately ends up selling the hospital to Sutter for pennie’s on the dollar. Quentin’s problem is that he served as legal counsel for the public side while he was also working on the corporate board of the private side. When a lawsuit was finally brought years later, it was acknowledged that the law was broken but unfortunately the statute of limitations had already passed.
Does God speak to His “Prophets, Seers and Revelators”?? “We didn’t receive revelation there was going to be a pandemic” - Cook “Little did I know … This virus has had a major impact throughout the world. It has also altered our Church meetings, missionary service, and temple work…” - Nelson Obviously, God never speaks to false prophets.
If you knew nothing else about the LDS church’s extreme efforts to influence political issues, Prop 8 should be enough to convince any skeptic. And that’s just what was visible to the public.
Bingo, the church doesn’t even need to implicitly tell a politician what to do. They’ll just do whatever lines up with the church’s stance anyway on their own.
Nemo completely left the entire rest of that section from D&C out of context. Here is the description. 134 1-4, Governments should preserve freedom of conscience and worship; 5-8, All men should uphold their governments and owe respect and deference to the law; 9-10, Religious societies should not exercise civil powers; 11-12, Men are justified in defending themselves and their property. How does that last part compare with the specific verse Nemo used to lie? What does it mean to be a bond-servant? Those are the questions Nemo didn’t ask.
In a rare moment, I'm going to defend Cook. He said, *one* of the reasons was the Mormons' opposition to slavery. Given that most members in the 1830's were from New England, this is probably not an unreasonable assumption. Passions ran strong about slavery. One major reason the Saints were initially welcomed to Illinois after escaping Missouri was the opportunity it provided Illinoisans to prove themselves greater people than Missourians. Regardless of the position of the church or its leaders, the presence in large numbers of Yankees made them highly suspect in the eyes of a slave state.
Not a slander or cause of repugnance, but the cheapest form of tithes during those times had been sending one's slave to work for the church farms. There are some church records that included accepting slave labor around Kirtland/Nauvoo. Well then again if you look at how some businesses are set up within Mormon Corp., quite a few members are literally stuck in some jobs like a 'slave' of sorts to this day. They can't quit/leave with the stature and 'place' they gained within the church, and leaving is seen by the community/community of faith as a 'sinning against the greater light' or in more sensitive sectors it is seen as to the equivalence as a sin. Quite a few get paid horribly crappy wages (Minimum wage or lower) / OR they get paid none at all, while the more favored individuals by the system's leaders get favored to be paid. Others are emotionally coerced to stay to gain a reputation for themselves, their family/whathaveyou all the while they are burdened by the system or the amount of labor is thrown on them and they are criticized/pushed into lectures on faith/obedience to endure while still being treated/paid crappily/or their daily lifetime is wasted and burned upon a nonpaying system as they were taken in as 'service'.
Correction slaves being received for tithing was at the time of Nauvoo. The other weird thing with tithes back then was that they weren't exactly given at the time of meetings. The bishop used to go around with a wagon to collect tithes. I can't remember who's journal was it, but remember reading a few entries from a member of when tithes were collected they had detailed if it was just 1 slave he'd be riding in the carriage of the wagon with the Bishop or in the back of the wagon to assist the Bishop collecting tithes. If it was more than two slaves however they'd be roped up to the back of the wagon by the waste in a chain. I'll need to find that passage. The church at that same time did some weirder stuff too. They'd buy slaves as property to maintain their own fields/ church labour.
Good vid Nemo!! You sure have a way of digging up info that’s so good to air out. Thank you for that. This may in a way be disturbing for some of the Mormons who’s bookshelves are getting full. I think over all it’s not that big of a thing because there’s also a greater good that comes from it as far as the representative in government portion goes. It’s a little like “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch your back” just as you would help a friend out and they would help you out in return.
Its also interesting that the LDS church always plays the victim. Imagine a fine group over populating a city. Buying everything. Creating an army. Promoting the leader to a general. Taking multiple wives. Claiming its promised land.....wtf
For those who want to know a little more about Mormonism and slavery, here's some material I compiled on it about 20 years ago. Slavery was an issue between Mormons and Missourians for only a few weeks in 1833, when W. W. Phelps, acting on his own, wrote an editorial in his "Evening and Morning Star" which stated: "Slaves are real estate in this and other states, and wisdom would dictate great care among the branches of the church of Christ on this subject. So long as we have no special rule in the church as to people of color, let prudence guide; and while they, as well as we, are in the hands of a merciful god, we say: shun every appearance of evil." Some Missourians mistook Phelps' editorial to be an endorsement of the entry of "free people of color" into the State, which they thought might lead to an insurrection (similar to the Nat Turner rebellion in Virginia that same year, wherein slaves rose up and killed 51 whites.) The misunderstanding forced Phelps to issue an immediate clarification in his next issue: "Our intention was not only to stop free people of color from emigrating to this state, but to prevent them from being admitted as members of the church. Great care should be taken on this point. The saints must shun every appearance of evil. As to slaves we have nothing to say. In connection with the wonderful events of this age, much is doing towards abolishing slavery, and colonizing the blacks in Africa. We often lament the situation of our sister states in the south, and we fear, lest, as has been the case, the blacks should rise and spill innocent blood: for they are ignorant, and a little may lead them to disturb the peace of society. To be short, we are opposed to have free people of color admitted into the state; and we say, that none will be admitted into the church, for we are determined to obey the laws and constitutions of our country....." Mormon apologists have carefully cultivated the "slavery" angle of the Missouri period in order to make those Mormons appear as noble abolitionists, as though that was the major cause of tensions with the Missourians. That image is refuted by the following facts: *Phelps' original comment was his own, and was not sanctioned by church leaders *Phelps quickly retracted his misunderstood statement in his next edition *Joseph Smith himself stated "We do not believe in setting the Negroes free" and "We are not abolitionists" *Joseph Smith produced the "Book of Moses" and the "Book of Abraham," which have been used as the basis for discrimination against Negroes by Mormons into modern times; Negroes were not actively proselyted nor encouraged to join the LDS church until 1978 *Several Mormons owned slaves, including Apostle Charles C. Rich *The Utah Territory was slated to become the next slave state, to counter California's admittance as a free state; the Mormons' rebelliousness and refusal to end polygamy prevented Utah's admittance as a state until 1896.
Thanks Nemo...you probably sit as 🤨and 🙄 and 😮as I do about the level of "influence" of "religion" in politics at all levels in the USA even in 23rd Century...and in the UK we still have an established church that the Founding Fathers in the US rejected as a principle or as part of the Constitution. 😆
@Maxine Kennedy ...even in the 23rd Century? Do you know something that the masses don't know? (Does that mean the Church won't implode for another 200 years?) 🤫
I would be willing to say there Are half true on the slavery thing. JS ran an anti slavery presidential campaign. if was one of the conflict with Missourians as you pointed out , not the only. but also you said Young was pro slavery ... so I would rather Cook as partially Truth on the slavery
@@NEMOTHEMORMON it still was a one of the points of contention bewteen the Mormons and the Missouri , not the only one. I'm with you he's being dishonest
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Correct, and let's remember that Missouri was admitted to the Union as a slave state, and Illinois was a free state. The Mormons had left Missouri by 1839. So when Joseph Smith spoke against slavery in 1844, he was pandering to the citizens of Illinois. But considering that some Mormons held slaves and even took them west to Utah territory (including apostle Charles C. Rich), it's disingenuous for Mormon leaders and apologists to assert that 19th century Mormons were anti-slavery. Then there's this: Under Brigham Young, the LDS Church continued to teach that slavery was ordained of God. After he helped institute slavery in the Utah Territory, Young taught "inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery".[43]: 26 He argued that blacks needed to serve masters because they were not capable of ruling themselves,[35] When blacks were treated right, Young contended that they were much better off as slaves than if they were free.[43]: 28 Because of these benefits, Young argued that slavery brought the "true liberty" which God had designed.[8]: 110 He taught that because slavery was decreed of God, man was not able to remove it.[43]: 27 He criticized the Northerners for their attempts to free the slaves contrary to the will of God and accused them of worshipping blacks. He opposed the American Civil War, calling it useless and saying that the "for the cause of human improvement is not in the least advanced by the dreadful war which now convulses our unhappy country."[35] After President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, Young prophesied that the attempts to free the slave would eventually fail. ---wikipedia
@@randyjordan5521 Excellent, yes. The National Park Service displays on the subject of slavery hold that Quakers, who were prolific slaveholders at the time, were persuaded by Mennonites who had been arriving from Germany to begin opposing slavery at a meeting in Germantown, PA _in 1688._ Their written protest stated that slavery was inevitably a violation of "The Golden Rule." That was the first opposition of any kind expressed publicly to the practice of slavery in the US and it was way back in the early colonial period, so it's not like it would have been ground-breaking for the LDS to be abolitionist by their time at all. They just weren't.
@Priscilla Asking Well, then! Utah became what Joseph Smith envisioned, when he campaigned for President of the U.S., under the banner of establishing a "Theo-Democracy" (with an obvious emphasis on the "Theo-" part of it). Theocracy? Like Iran? Well, then! 😗
Yeah, there are multiple people in the world at any given time who claim that they are Jesus, not just an Apostle. People and organizations can declare themselves to be anything they imagine. Jesus said this would be the case, not to run after the claims, and that any "prophet" will be known by the fruit he produces--Nemo's accounts often being a good illustration of that. In contrast to the LDS and the zillion other claimants to Apostles, Paul in the Bible stated that he was the last of them, already born out of season (1 Corinthians 15:6-8; also 1 Cor. 9:1 and Revelation 2:2). Somehow I don't think Cook has spent time with Jesus in-person.
I grew up LDS my mother is(was) cousin to Dallon Oaks. I left "the church" in 1978 some because of this sudden blacks can hold the preisthood thing the other reason? Because I was 16 & scheduled to marry June 2 1978 the day after my betrothed had high school graduation.( Jordan High) my name at the time was Shelly Kay Mason. His name was Kenneth J. Beck ( I'm writhing this because you can fact check & I can't write it out again 🤣😂 ) you see about a month before we were to wed he (Ken) went to his bishop to confess "his" sins. He told of our knowing each other "biblically" before marriage I don't know why we weren't either able to marry in the temple anyway his bishop didn't know what to do for this situation so he called his(Ken's) mother & explained to her everything he had said. Now I was under the understanding that when you "confess" to the bishop it goes to God you're supposed to be "forgiven" I have NO clue if that's what they teach today I haven't been inside 1 of these churches since my Dads funeral. Anyway now this information was shocking to Elnora (I'm sure) so she advises their bishop to call My bishop ( Bishop Leary Granite 6th ward) & explain to him all that's been said (which puts MY bishop in a "fuct" position! So he calls me in a week b4 our wedding & tells me ALL of this I admitted. We set up a court date it's to be for either June 12 or 18. I got a reprieve. No kangaroo court for me😁👍 why? Well it seams the US government has a court date for this date with the LDS church for something to do with their taxes if LDS church doesn't show proof they are not open 🤔 to habe blacks in preisthood they will NO longer tax exempt ( I believe they were gonna have to pay all back taxes as well but don't quote me 😬) I had nothing against black people !? How could I? I never SEEN a black person in real life on the tv yes but never 4 real😮 Low & behold "God came down from the heavens & whispered in President Kimball's ear & said you can admit blacks into the preisthood. Coincidence? I think NOT!! I had accepted Jesus Christ into my heart about a month after I was baptized after a Babtist Bible school 🤣😂🤣🙏
The act of congress 1852 required UTHA to allow Mormon territory to allow Slavery. The Mormons agreed, and Mormon 2nd president 1847 - 1877 signed it. Quote from Brigham Young, you must think, from what i say, that i am opposed to Slavery. NO the negro is damned, and is to serve his masters until GOD chooses to remove the curse of Ham. New York Herald May 4th 1855. as cited in dialogue a journal of Mormon thought spring 1973.
"On the same day that the company went to Gallatin, Lyman Wight went with a company to Millport, as I understood. He returned and made a report (as I understood it to be) to Joseph Smith, Jr., in which he said he found nothing to fight but fences and empty houses. I understood him to say the people had not taken away all their property. Smith, the prophet, here asked him if they had taken the negroes. He said, yes. Someone then laughingly observed, Smith, you have lost your negro; to which, I think, he made no reply. Joseph Smith, Jr. asked Wight if he had done anything with the property remaining in Millport? Wight said not; they would leave that matter for a private council." -The Missouri Mormon War Document, p.112 In the mind of the "prophet" negroes = property, let that sink in.
nemo you have convinced me that you are the only man on earth perfect enough to be an apostle on earth i personally know that none of us could serve in any calling wihout the atonement it pains me to lisen to your channel
Let me ask you this...when we will have a black president of the church? Brazil is the second large LDS members (60% brasilian are blacl) ... how many lds brazilians do we gave?
Elder Cook is making reference to Doctrine and Covenants 101:79 "Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another" The other scripture you sited had nothing to do with the morality of slavery. Further, how Brigham Young viewed the scriptures regarding slavery probably are not the same as how Elder Cook views them. Your fact checking as aiming it at Elder Cook was unjust and you had a bias to go after Elder Cook in this instance.
I believe slavery existed and exists today. In the United States, the Democratic Party was the organization that promoted and enforced slavery. Joseph Smith was a Democrat. The Republican Party was not started until 1856, the first major party to officially oppose slavery. As far as I know there have only been three Americans who were actual independent voters, George Washington, John Adams, and me. All other Americans, it would appear, have subscribed to political parties and their artificial authority, including all church authorities and all people who claimed to be independent voters except these three people. George Washington was the first to say that political parties were incapable of providing good government, John Adams repeated what George Washington said and blamed Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Party for causing him to lose the election of 1800, and I was the first to write a book that shows President Washington's assessment of political parties to be correct. Nemo's so-called opposition to slavery is based on European political philosophies, which have been the basis for party philosophies in the United States since 1800, when an American political party took over the government of the United States. But with regard to Nemo's war against the twelve apostles of the Lamb, Nemo is going to lose that war, as I have said from the beginning.
@@1000huzzahs Both major parties are pro-slavery today. All you have to do is look at nomination petition signature requirements. An independent voter running for statewide office in this state has to get 43,000 nomination petition signatures to appear on the ballot, while a Democrat or Republican has to get 7,000. There are states with worse signature requirements than this. So both major parties regard independent voters as slaves to political party control. In 1796 outgoing President George Washington in his Farewell Address predicted what would happen to freedom in America if the people decided to start and support political parties. Naturally, the citizens to whom he was addressing his assessment of political parties were the voters who had been created by the writing and adoption of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitutions of the states that held the elections for the government that had been created. They were United States citizens registered to vote, or in other words, independent voters. Political parties, said Washington, were "self-created societies" that were incapable of providing good government. Four years later two political parties dominated the election of 1800, and a two-party system copied from the two-party system of England has controlled the American government since that time. But there are now more independent voters than Democrats, members of the largest political party, and the number of independent voters will continue to increase, while the number of political party voters will continue to decrease, even though independent voters are prevented from voting in elections they are forced to pay for and are prevented from being candidates for public office by these unconstitutional state election laws. Party members like you do not care about civil rights. You care about party control. You are the kind of person who would say that independent voters are the least interested and least intelligent portion of the electorate, which is what party politicians and party members have said since 1800, because they do not run for public office. You are not going to be able to run this scam forever. These two corrupt parties and their corrupt politicians and corrupt party members get more unpopular every year. The United States has popular government. You might want to think about that.
clever cut and paste. the Apostles that walked and talked with the Lord made mistakes and had short comings but that doesn't change the truth of the Book of Mormon. You know how there are temples in construction year round every year, because this is God's work. These temples will stand til the last day of the Millennium when the Lord calls for the day of judgement. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progresssing 💯 Big Facts
I'm not sure that temples being built is a good indication of the work moving forward. It seems to me it is an indication of a church having too much money and understanding that real estate is the way to go. I think a better indication of whether or not the work is moving forward would be within the membership growth which is declining.
@@derralhawthorne4616 the people mocked Noah for building the ship. During the Millennium there will be people from every nation. My opinion it will be mostly non-LDS because the modern day LDS member are trump self righteous folks
@@mitchrichardson744 that's an expression.. but I'll give you something that you can keep an eye on, may even happen in our lifetime. When the LDS missionaries have touched down in every nation, and they will, that's one of the last signals to let you know it is too late for you
@@F.X.Techniq first off, if you believe the flood and Noah was a literal event, I'm not sure we are going to agree on much. I am afraid that you will see that this religion will not sustain you and all the miracles you are looking for as signs of the end of the days, as put forth by modern prophets, are not going to happen. It is all made up and these prophets don't actually prophesy anything. I think your commitment to this religion is admirable but in the end you will likely be disappointed. Especially if you aren't a right wing Trumper. Don't wait for the millennium, live your Life now.
@@anonymouscommenter6829 well maybe tell them that lol. Also, how do you know that? Did god show up and tell you he can’t lie? Did you quiz him to ensure he’s telling the truth?
We believe in being honest….that’s the first lie out of their mouths….I can see sitting through this episode is going to require multiple chuck buckets…. 🪣🪣 Great work Nemo.
I live in Salt Lake City and have for most of my life and it is well established that nothing gets passed in the Utah state legislature that isn't approved by the Church. They have representatives at the capitol building whenever the legislature is in session. Everyone who spends time lobbying at the capitol knows the Church's power and has to deal with it. This is an outright lie and Elder Cook knows that. He has also had some questionable legal dealings before he was called to the 12. The Church works hard to appear squeaky clean, but they play dirty politics all the times.
That is why I would NEVER live in Utah. Cult state of the United States
You say "Church" like there is a department within the church that deals with political matters. "representatives" happen to be members but that does not mean the "church" is making the decisions.
So true! If their members only knew what they're really up to behind closed doors...
The leaders are dishonest and untrustworthy, l am grateful for your content. I can have no conversations with my LDS family who are following blindly. Thanks Nemo.
These are the BEST! MSP is great, but it's nice to have these really concise videos. Thanks Nemo.
You’re very welcome!
Just so astute and thorough Nemo. You're the best! No one covers these outrages better than you. Your signature approach of concise , non nonsense ,laser to the heart of the matter style is so informative. And its all backed up with irrefutable evidence. And you package that up in minutes , rather than hours! Thank you so much.
Thank you for your kind words!
AGREED! I crave more content from Nemo
Nemo! Nemo! Nemo! Catch him on Mormonism Live tonight!
Great job as always NEMO. Keep holding these leaders accountable. Although you’ll probably have an invitation to the court of love soon. Just ask Bill Reel what happens when you call these leaders out on their lies.
I don’t think so, I’m not important enough for them to worry about!
I loved the "truth quote" in the last 5 seconds of the video!! Hoo!
Cheers!
My question is, if they can predict the end of the world, tell us how much food to store in the basement, tell us to have a 72 hour kit, but they can't tell everyone to get face masks and toilet paper because God forgot to tell them about a global pandemic, what's the point of having a living prophet? All he does is quote the old prophets and hide historical events. It's really quite something. I would think that would have made enough people realize how not useful the prophets are. Oh well. Thank you for doing your part Nemo.
Clear, concise and thorough. You take them to the mat everytime and pin them down! I love it. ❤
Cheers for that!
Bro I could watch your vids for hours (insert Italian finger kiss). They are utterly exquisite
Cheers, glad you like them!
Nemo, thank you for taking a stand against deception and duplicity. As you know, showing and telling the truth is always the right thing to do.
It sure is!
I just about lost my sh** when I heard Cook in the October conference. Thanks for calling out their BS!
Which talk do you mean exactly?
Wow! These videos of the church meetings are very interesting. Nobody but Nemo could put this together at such a high level of quality.
I appreciate your confidence!
"Live, Love, Laugh" thank you Nemo! Your quote has already brought me, and will yet bring me many hours of joy and chuckles
_Superb_ job, beginning to end, in finding and presenting the actual evidence in detail vs. the claims. Bravo! Sadly, you are unmasking the culture of a very troubled relationship with truth and honesty that the LDS have struggled with from the very beginning. It doesn't require brilliance to know that "something is rotten in Denmark" when most growing up in the church have had to learn from non-church historians and critics to go check their own history because the church couldn't risk teaching it to their own people. I remember my disbelief when first reading many of the accounts made available at BYU, of all places, and they lined up with non-Mormon accounts that everybody trashed, not the church. They certainly weren't advertised. If most members had learned all that by the end of middle school, say, I doubt that most would have remained members past high school or college and the institution would not have survived for more than two or three generations, at least beyond being a backwater Colorado City-style group of odd ducks. They have run a world-class deception internally as well as externally, and it is very sad for so many.
My god, if the church would just say, “in the past we . . . And that was wrong, we now no longer believe that. We now believe . . .” That’s it. Honesty is all we want. It’s so easy
If church leaders were 100% honest about Mormon history, the church would go out of business.
Thank you Nemo 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 we need you on Spotify 👍🏾
Why is that?
@@NEMOTHEMORMON It’s another platform to listen to your amazing episodes. It would be great to listen to you simply because I drive a lot. Mormon stories and RFM are both on there as well.
True story about Elder Cook.
About 20 years ago, there was a talk given by Cook that was widely circulated online. He claimed to have met Mick Jagger on a long flight (I don't believe Mick Jagger flies coach, but why was a humble servant of the Lord in first?)
So Cook taught him about the Book of Mormon. Mick Jagger was initially very receptive, but when he realised he would have to be baptised and renounce his debauchery, he willfully chose the path of Satan, and stood up in the plane proclaiming that the Book of Mormon was not the word of God.
All of which struck me as highly improbable!
At that time, I worked for a university, and when you can say that, doors tend to open. So I phoned the Rolling Stones' PR manager. She asked me for a link, which I was happy to supply.
She replied within a few minutes, assuring me the story was entirely false. "Just somebody having a bit of fun with his imagination," she said!
The leaders of this religion cannot be trusted. Many people have said that the brethren will lie for the Lord, I feel like they just simply lie for themselves. People in power will do anything to stay in power.
That they will, there is definitely something to the notion found in D&C that once men get a little power they will begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.
Is it possible that the Mormon leadership is never held accountable for what they say, so they have just become lazy and say whatever they want (regardless of whether it is true or not). I highly doubt that Quentin L. Cook cares about fact checking his statements with the utterances of Brigham Young or with D&C 134.
@@function0077 I think you are absolutely right. The leaders have carefully fostered the idea that they are not to be questioned even when they are wrong. When people sustain them as prophets, seers and revelators, they promise to follow them no matter what. Why would the brethren take the time to fact check? Before there were brave souls like Nemo, they could say all manner of untruths without being checked.
@@derralhawthorne4616 I agree. The internet and current and former Mormons are a winning combination that is pushing back against the out-of-touch Mormon leadership.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON nobody has any real power except for me, they are all but mere extensions of my authority. As I am oRThiarTa.
I remember when I first learned that black people hadn't been able to have the priesthood until 1978. I was a teenager. I'd had no idea up to that point, no one had ever mentioned it before that I can recall, and I confirmed it on an ex-mormon website when I first learned Joseph Smith had been a degenerate polygamist from some born-again Christians at school and decided to do my own research to prove them wrong (they were right). It was really shocking. I ended up learning a lot more than just Joseph Smith's wanton adultery.
Of course, when I asked questions, no one who allegedly had "priesthood authority" could give a single satisfactory answer--and that was when I wanted to believe I was wrong! They couldn't give a good answer because there isn't one. Even "well, I guess maybe there were perhaps little mistakes and maybe the church wasn't entirely ideally perfect" excuses are just that: pitiful, unconvincing EXCUSES peddled by their snake oil salesmen leadership. The "well, some answers we may never know until after we're dead" is another one I grew sick of them repeating ad nauseum when they knew they were in a corner and didn't have the truth on their side.
Wow! Enough said.
Indeed!
I have been waiting for a new video from you for a week at least. I was psyched to see this one on the docket
Sorry to keep you waiting! Had to take a bit of time off after conference!
LOVE that last bit! Gave me a good chuckle
Cheers!
Great stuff as usual, Nemo. Thanks for your content.
My pleasure!
Nemo just has a way with logic and words.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to make these videos! Much appreciated ❤
You’re very welcome!
Ah, the rich and powerful people. What can you expect. Honesty is for the lowly members, who are simply to obey - and don't have the justification/duty to mislead to preserve the church's good name/power.
tHEse are the types of videos I look forward and can really get substance from. thanks!
Thank you kindly :)
Love these segments. Keep it up Nemo, great work! You’ve def found a unique lane for content with these vids.
Thanks!
Jane Manning James, an African American sister who served Joseph Smith's family, was sealed to Joseph to be his servant in the afterlife. It was a special sealing just for her. She was not allowed in the temple, and a white woman stood in as her proxy. This was done by the authority of the prophet at the time (I don't recall his name). So Jane is going to be Joseph's servant for eternity. The only bright side is that the Celestial Kingdom is bunk.
And the idea that Jane is actually Joseph's servant in the afterlife is bunk, too.
Awesome video! Thank you! Great concise stuff as usual for exposing the incorrigible liars of The So-Called Church.
Cheers!
The way I look at the D&C scripture on slavery is that the Church doesn't condone slavery, they just don't interfere with its practice.
If you commit yourself in all your political dealings to put the Church first, raise your right hand to the square, bow your head and say yes.
Give everything you have to the building up of the kingdoms of god!
We’ll done Nemo!
Cheers!
Cook is a retired lawyer for the Church. Again, these leaders are SHADY! Thanks for the HONESTY Nemo!
You’re very welcome
I didn't know this! Thanks for sharing.
Great line out.
Cheers!
Best mic drop ever. You done slapped Chris Rock with that one!
Hahaha! Cheers Jim!
It seems God through his prophets always trailed along behind humanity....
Great video yet again 👏
Glad you liked it!
Quentin Cook stole a whole damn hospital, so I’d say that makes him just a bit untrustworthy
So many of these apostles had to be bailed out by the church from their shady deals. Truly honest men 🙄
Wait, what? What happened? I haven't heard of this. :(
@@anastasiarose3800 Marin County CA had a successful public hospital which they leased to a private company, Sutter, who then ran it millions in debt intentionally. The county ultimately ends up selling the hospital to Sutter for pennie’s on the dollar. Quentin’s problem is that he served as legal counsel for the public side while he was also working on the corporate board of the private side. When a lawsuit was finally brought years later, it was acknowledged that the law was broken but unfortunately the statute of limitations had already passed.
The holy spirit never misleads a surrendered heart, my little saints. 👍
I don't think that's what they meant when they were looking for more positives... Thanks for the entertainment.
Then I can’t please some folks I guess 😂
Does God speak to His “Prophets, Seers and Revelators”??
“We didn’t receive revelation there was going to be a pandemic” - Cook
“Little did I know … This virus has had a major impact throughout the world. It has also altered our Church meetings, missionary service, and temple work…” - Nelson
Obviously, God never speaks to false prophets.
Don't be fooled by Cook's drawl, he's very manipulative and devious
Sen. Harry Reid was a member in good standing and a typical politician. That's an interesting paradox,but not really.
but he was in Nevada, so the only thing the church would get for touching him is a PR nightmare.
The last phrase should have been followed by "Directed by Robert B Weide". 😆
How they don't spontaneously combust is the real miracle.
That last line was such a burn !!!🔥😆
Cheers haha!
Wowza
Yeah…
have any of these "prophets" ever spoken without the use of a tele-prompter?
Yes, and when they do the results are… varied!
If you knew nothing else about the LDS church’s extreme efforts to influence political issues, Prop 8 should be enough to convince any skeptic. And that’s just what was visible to the public.
The “public lands” legally belonged to the Native Americans.
6:12 "It was fair to say that his staff in the senate was 'church broke'...'"
Yeah, pretty mental!
Bingo, the church doesn’t even need to implicitly tell a politician what to do. They’ll just do whatever lines up with the church’s stance anyway on their own.
Nemo completely left the entire rest of that section from D&C out of context. Here is the description.
134
1-4, Governments should preserve freedom of conscience and worship; 5-8, All men should uphold their governments and owe respect and deference to the law; 9-10, Religious societies should not exercise civil powers; 11-12, Men are justified in defending themselves and their property.
How does that last part compare with the specific verse Nemo used to lie? What does it mean to be a bond-servant? Those are the questions Nemo didn’t ask.
Haha that last bit there was so facetious
Yeah, it was a bit wasn’t it 😬
The music at 04:45 is a bop. Is this original audio from the church? 🤘🎵
Nope, I was trying to see if I could liven things up a bit!
In a rare moment, I'm going to defend Cook. He said, *one* of the reasons was the Mormons' opposition to slavery.
Given that most members in the 1830's were from New England, this is probably not an unreasonable assumption.
Passions ran strong about slavery. One major reason the Saints were initially welcomed to Illinois after escaping Missouri was the opportunity it provided Illinoisans to prove themselves greater people than Missourians.
Regardless of the position of the church or its leaders, the presence in large numbers of Yankees made them highly suspect in the eyes of a slave state.
Thanks for sharing!
Not a slander or cause of repugnance, but the cheapest form of tithes during those times had been sending one's slave to work for the church farms. There are some church records that included accepting slave labor around Kirtland/Nauvoo.
Well then again if you look at how some businesses are set up within Mormon Corp., quite a few members are literally stuck in some jobs like a 'slave' of sorts to this day. They can't quit/leave with the stature and 'place' they gained within the church, and leaving is seen by the community/community of faith as a 'sinning against the greater light' or in more sensitive sectors it is seen as to the equivalence as a sin. Quite a few get paid horribly crappy wages (Minimum wage or lower) / OR they get paid none at all, while the more favored individuals by the system's leaders get favored to be paid. Others are emotionally coerced to stay to gain a reputation for themselves, their family/whathaveyou all the while they are burdened by the system or the amount of labor is thrown on them and they are criticized/pushed into lectures on faith/obedience to endure while still being treated/paid crappily/or their daily lifetime is wasted and burned upon a nonpaying system as they were taken in as 'service'.
Correction slaves being received for tithing was at the time of Nauvoo.
The other weird thing with tithes back then was that they weren't exactly given at the time of meetings. The bishop used to go around with a wagon to collect tithes. I can't remember who's journal was it, but remember reading a few entries from a member of when tithes were collected they had detailed if it was just 1 slave he'd be riding in the carriage of the wagon with the Bishop or in the back of the wagon to assist the Bishop collecting tithes. If it was more than two slaves however they'd be roped up to the back of the wagon by the waste in a chain. I'll need to find that passage.
The church at that same time did some weirder stuff too. They'd buy slaves as property to maintain their own fields/ church labour.
NEVER-STOP NEMO! These are horrible clips to watch, but unless you show them (and we suffer them) the darkness can never be hidden & perpetuated
Look up Q. L. Cook in Wikipedia. Some “controversy “ is listed concerning his dealings with California healthcare system. Hummm!
Where do you find to videos of those private meetings? I’ve been in that room at the church administration building.
Good vid Nemo!! You sure have a way of digging up info that’s so good to air out. Thank you for that.
This may in a way be disturbing for some of the Mormons who’s bookshelves are getting full. I think over all it’s not that big of a thing because there’s also a greater good that comes from it as far as the representative in government portion goes. It’s a little like “you scratch my back and I’ll scratch your back” just as you would help a friend out and they would help you out in return.
What?!!! Mic drop, Nemo!
I’ve been in that room of the church administration building. Where do you get those recordings?
Its also interesting that the LDS church always plays the victim. Imagine a fine group over populating a city. Buying everything. Creating an army. Promoting the leader to a general. Taking multiple wives. Claiming its promised land.....wtf
He said they believe in being honest?!? That's a big fat lie!
I believe I should be rich. But I’m not 😢😭😩😜
For those who want to know a little more about Mormonism and slavery, here's some material I compiled on it about 20 years ago.
Slavery was an issue between Mormons and Missourians for only a few weeks in
1833, when W. W. Phelps, acting on his own, wrote an editorial in his "Evening
and Morning Star" which stated:
"Slaves are real estate in this and other states, and wisdom would dictate
great care among the branches of the church of Christ on this subject. So long
as we have no special rule in the church as to people of color, let prudence
guide; and while they, as well as we, are in the hands of a merciful god, we
say: shun every appearance of evil."
Some Missourians mistook Phelps' editorial to be an endorsement of the entry of
"free people of color" into the State, which they thought might lead to an
insurrection (similar to the Nat Turner rebellion in Virginia that same year,
wherein slaves rose up and killed 51 whites.)
The misunderstanding forced Phelps to issue an immediate clarification in his
next issue:
"Our intention was not only to stop free people of color from emigrating to
this state, but to prevent them from being admitted as members of the church.
Great care should be taken on this point. The saints must shun every
appearance of evil. As to slaves we have nothing to say. In connection with
the wonderful events of this age, much is doing towards abolishing slavery, and
colonizing the blacks in Africa.
We often lament the situation of our sister states in the south, and we fear,
lest, as has been the case, the blacks should rise and spill innocent blood:
for they are ignorant, and a little may lead them to disturb the peace of
society. To be short, we are opposed to have free people of color admitted
into the state; and we say, that none will be admitted into the church, for we
are determined to obey the laws and constitutions of our country....."
Mormon apologists have carefully cultivated the "slavery" angle of the Missouri
period in order to make those Mormons appear as noble abolitionists, as though
that was the major cause of tensions with the Missourians. That image is
refuted by the following facts:
*Phelps' original comment was his own, and was not sanctioned by church leaders
*Phelps quickly retracted his misunderstood statement in his next edition
*Joseph Smith himself stated "We do not believe in setting the Negroes free"
and "We are not abolitionists"
*Joseph Smith produced the "Book of Moses" and the "Book of Abraham," which
have been used as the basis for discrimination against Negroes by Mormons into
modern times; Negroes were not actively proselyted nor encouraged to join the
LDS church until 1978
*Several Mormons owned slaves, including Apostle Charles C. Rich
*The Utah Territory was slated to become the next slave state, to counter
California's admittance as a free state; the Mormons' rebelliousness and
refusal to end polygamy prevented Utah's admittance as a state until 1896.
Thanks Nemo...you probably sit as 🤨and 🙄 and 😮as I do about the level of "influence" of "religion" in politics at all levels in the USA even in 23rd Century...and in the UK we still have an established church that the Founding Fathers in the US rejected as a principle or as part of the Constitution. 😆
@Maxine Kennedy
...even in the 23rd Century?
Do you know something that the masses don't know?
(Does that mean the Church won't implode for another 200 years?)
🤫
@@ahashdahnagila6884 😆I have fingers the size of cucumbers 🥒🥒
I would be willing to say there Are half true on the slavery thing. JS ran an anti slavery presidential campaign. if was one of the conflict with Missourians as you pointed out , not the only. but also you said Young was pro slavery ... so I would rather Cook as partially Truth on the slavery
But Joseph didn’t run anti-slavery in Missouri, which is the time period Cook is talking about, he ran it out of Nauvoo!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON it still was a one of the points of contention bewteen the Mormons and the Missouri , not the only one. I'm with you he's being dishonest
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Correct, and let's remember that Missouri was admitted to the Union as a slave state, and Illinois was a free state. The Mormons had left Missouri by 1839. So when Joseph Smith spoke against slavery in 1844, he was pandering to the citizens of Illinois. But considering that some Mormons held slaves and even took them west to Utah territory (including apostle Charles C. Rich), it's disingenuous for Mormon leaders and apologists to assert that 19th century Mormons were anti-slavery. Then there's this:
Under Brigham Young, the LDS Church continued to teach that slavery was ordained of God. After he helped institute slavery in the Utah Territory, Young taught "inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery".[43]: 26 He argued that blacks needed to serve masters because they were not capable of ruling themselves,[35] When blacks were treated right, Young contended that they were much better off as slaves than if they were free.[43]: 28 Because of these benefits, Young argued that slavery brought the "true liberty" which God had designed.[8]: 110 He taught that because slavery was decreed of God, man was not able to remove it.[43]: 27 He criticized the Northerners for their attempts to free the slaves contrary to the will of God and accused them of worshipping blacks. He opposed the American Civil War, calling it useless and saying that the "for the cause of human improvement is not in the least advanced by the dreadful war which now convulses our unhappy country."[35] After President Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, Young prophesied that the attempts to free the slave would eventually fail.
---wikipedia
@@randyjordan5521 Excellent, yes. The National Park Service displays on the subject of slavery hold that Quakers, who were prolific slaveholders at the time, were persuaded by Mennonites who had been arriving from Germany to begin opposing slavery at a meeting in Germantown, PA _in 1688._ Their written protest stated that slavery was inevitably a violation of "The Golden Rule." That was the first opposition of any kind expressed publicly to the practice of slavery in the US and it was way back in the early colonial period, so it's not like it would have been ground-breaking for the LDS to be abolitionist by their time at all. They just weren't.
Utah is a theocracy
Almost seems that way at times!
@Priscilla Asking
Well, then!
Utah became what Joseph Smith envisioned, when he campaigned for President of the U.S., under the banner of establishing a "Theo-Democracy" (with an obvious emphasis on the "Theo-" part of it).
Theocracy?
Like Iran?
Well, then! 😗
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Heh. I'm from Utah. To me it seemed that way all the time.
America's Iran.
Since Cook is an APOSTLE, I guess that makes Jesus a liar.
If when he told the lies he was speaking for Jesus, then yes
Yeah, there are multiple people in the world at any given time who claim that they are Jesus, not just an Apostle. People and organizations can declare themselves to be anything they imagine. Jesus said this would be the case, not to run after the claims, and that any "prophet" will be known by the fruit he produces--Nemo's accounts often being a good illustration of that. In contrast to the LDS and the zillion other claimants to Apostles, Paul in the Bible stated that he was the last of them, already born out of season (1 Corinthians 15:6-8; also 1 Cor. 9:1 and Revelation 2:2). Somehow I don't think Cook has spent time with Jesus in-person.
Hey Nemo have y'all heard of the Mountain Meadow Mormon Massacre? I think there were no indigenous there it was Mormons dressed as "savage Indians"
I grew up LDS my mother is(was) cousin to Dallon Oaks. I left "the church" in 1978 some because of this sudden blacks can hold the preisthood thing the other reason? Because I was 16 & scheduled to marry June 2 1978 the day after my betrothed had high school graduation.( Jordan High) my name at the time was Shelly Kay Mason. His name was Kenneth J. Beck ( I'm writhing this because you can fact check & I can't write it out again 🤣😂 ) you see about a month before we were to wed he (Ken) went to his bishop to confess "his" sins. He told of our knowing each other "biblically" before marriage I don't know why we weren't either able to marry in the temple anyway his bishop didn't know what to do for this situation so he called his(Ken's) mother & explained to her everything he had said. Now I was under the understanding that when you "confess" to the bishop it goes to God you're supposed to be "forgiven" I have NO clue if that's what they teach today I haven't been inside 1 of these churches since my Dads funeral. Anyway now this information was shocking to Elnora (I'm sure) so she advises their bishop to call My bishop ( Bishop Leary Granite 6th ward) & explain to him all that's been said (which puts MY bishop in a "fuct" position! So he calls me in a week b4 our wedding & tells me ALL of this I admitted. We set up a court date it's to be for either June 12 or 18. I got a reprieve. No kangaroo court for me😁👍 why?
Well it seams the US government has a court date for this date with the LDS church for something to do with their taxes if LDS church doesn't show proof they are not open 🤔 to habe blacks in preisthood they will NO longer tax exempt ( I believe they were gonna have to pay all back taxes as well but don't quote me 😬)
I had nothing against black people !? How could I? I never SEEN a black person in real life on the tv yes but never 4 real😮
Low & behold "God came down from the heavens & whispered in President Kimball's ear & said you can admit blacks into the preisthood. Coincidence? I think NOT!! I had accepted Jesus Christ into my heart about a month after I was baptized after a Babtist Bible school 🤣😂🤣🙏
God bless you 🙏
The act of congress 1852 required UTHA to allow Mormon territory to allow Slavery.
The Mormons agreed, and Mormon 2nd president 1847 - 1877 signed it.
Quote from Brigham Young, you must think, from what i say, that i am opposed to Slavery.
NO the negro is damned, and is to serve his masters until GOD chooses to remove the
curse of Ham.
New York Herald May 4th 1855.
as cited in dialogue a journal of Mormon thought spring 1973.
Love and Bless your enemies. Jesus Said!
Quentin Cook does some good work out there 💪
Yep, like "the largest theft of public property"
BY instituted it in the territory he was an awful racist!
"On the same day that the company went to Gallatin, Lyman Wight went with a company to Millport, as I understood. He returned and made a report (as I understood it to be) to Joseph Smith, Jr., in which he said he found nothing to fight but fences and empty houses. I understood him to say the people had not taken away all their property. Smith, the prophet, here asked him if they had taken the negroes. He said, yes. Someone then laughingly observed, Smith, you have lost your negro; to which, I think, he made no reply. Joseph Smith, Jr. asked Wight if he had done anything with the property remaining in Millport? Wight said not; they would leave that matter for a private council." -The Missouri Mormon War Document, p.112
In the mind of the "prophet" negroes = property, let that sink in.
nemo you have convinced me that you are the only man on earth perfect enough to be an apostle on earth i personally know that none of us could serve in any calling wihout the atonement it pains me to lisen to your channel
Let me ask you this...when we will have a black president of the church? Brazil is the second large LDS members (60% brasilian are blacl) ... how many lds brazilians do we gave?
Elder Cook is making reference to Doctrine and Covenants 101:79
"Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another"
The other scripture you sited had nothing to do with the morality of slavery.
Further, how Brigham Young viewed the scriptures regarding slavery probably are not the same as how Elder Cook views them.
Your fact checking as aiming it at Elder Cook was unjust and you had a bias to go after Elder Cook in this instance.
I believe slavery existed and exists today. In the United States, the Democratic Party was the organization that promoted and enforced slavery.
Joseph Smith was a Democrat. The Republican Party was not started until 1856, the first major party to officially oppose slavery.
As far as I know there have only been three Americans who were actual independent voters, George Washington, John Adams, and me. All other Americans, it would appear, have subscribed to political parties and their artificial authority, including all church authorities and all people who claimed to be independent voters except these three people. George Washington was the first to say that political parties were incapable of providing good government, John Adams repeated what George Washington said and blamed Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Party for causing him to lose the election of 1800, and I was the first to write a book that shows President Washington's assessment of political parties to be correct. Nemo's so-called opposition to slavery is based on European political philosophies, which have been the basis for party philosophies in the United States since 1800, when an American political party took over the government of the United States. But with regard to Nemo's war against the twelve apostles of the Lamb, Nemo is going to lose that war, as I have said from the beginning.
Huh, which party opposes Civil Rights today, remind me
@@1000huzzahs Both major parties are pro-slavery today. All you have to do is look at nomination petition signature requirements. An independent voter running for statewide office in this state has to get 43,000 nomination petition signatures to appear on the ballot, while a Democrat or Republican has to get 7,000. There are states with worse signature requirements than this. So both major parties regard independent voters as slaves to political party control. In 1796 outgoing President George Washington in his Farewell Address predicted what would happen to freedom in America if the people decided to start and support political parties. Naturally, the citizens to whom he was addressing his assessment of political parties were the voters who had been created by the writing and adoption of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitutions of the states that held the elections for the government that had been created. They were United States citizens registered to vote, or in other words, independent voters. Political parties, said Washington, were "self-created societies" that were incapable of providing good government. Four years later two political parties dominated the election of 1800, and a two-party system copied from the two-party system of England has controlled the American government since that time. But there are now more independent voters than Democrats, members of the largest political party, and the number of independent voters will continue to increase, while the number of political party voters will continue to decrease, even though independent voters are prevented from voting in elections they are forced to pay for and are prevented from being candidates for public office by these unconstitutional state election laws. Party members like you do not care about civil rights. You care about party control. You are the kind of person who would say that independent voters are the least interested and least intelligent portion of the electorate, which is what party politicians and party members have said since 1800, because they do not run for public office. You are not going to be able to run this scam forever. These two corrupt parties and their corrupt politicians and corrupt party members get more unpopular every year. The United States has popular government. You might want to think about that.
clever cut and paste. the Apostles that walked and talked with the Lord made mistakes and had short comings but that doesn't change the truth of the Book of Mormon. You know how there are temples in construction year round every year, because this is God's work. These temples will stand til the last day of the Millennium when the Lord calls for the day of judgement. No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progresssing 💯 Big Facts
I'm not sure that temples being built is a good indication of the work moving forward. It seems to me it is an indication of a church having too much money and understanding that real estate is the way to go. I think a better indication of whether or not the work is moving forward would be within the membership growth which is declining.
@@derralhawthorne4616 the people mocked Noah for building the ship. During the Millennium there will be people from every nation. My opinion it will be mostly non-LDS because the modern day LDS member are trump self righteous folks
Assertions are not facts dude. You’ve shared zero "facts"
@@mitchrichardson744 that's an expression.. but I'll give you something that you can keep an eye on, may even happen in our lifetime. When the LDS missionaries have touched down in every nation, and they will, that's one of the last signals to let you know it is too late for you
@@F.X.Techniq first off, if you believe the flood and Noah was a literal event, I'm not sure we are going to agree on much. I am afraid that you will see that this religion will not sustain you and all the miracles you are looking for as signs of the end of the days, as put forth by modern prophets, are not going to happen. It is all made up and these prophets don't actually prophesy anything. I think your commitment to this religion is admirable but in the end you will likely be disappointed. Especially if you aren't a right wing Trumper. Don't wait for the millennium, live your Life now.
But if it’s lying for the lord is it really dishonesty?
Yes.
@@anonymouscommenter6829 well maybe tell them that lol. Also, how do you know that? Did god show up and tell you he can’t lie? Did you quiz him to ensure he’s telling the truth?
We believe in being honest….that’s the first lie out of their mouths….I can see sitting through this episode is going to require multiple chuck buckets…. 🪣🪣 Great work Nemo.
Cheers, that’s a challenge!