To be fair, we mostly see him as a Demon Primarch, when there is practically notthing left of the man he was; when we see his human self, it's always as a tragic figure
It is no accident that the ''brothers'' with the greatest claim, the greatest reason to rebel against the tyrant of order, met. The Emperor could neither see the monster he was, nor the monsters he created. He failed. Ten Thousand years of unimaginable torture was the only penance he could give, and even it was not enough for the failure he brought upon humanity. It should be a lesson for any tyrant, that no man rules alone and that his sins will have consequences, no matter his delusion.
I swear i have cry. In the italian lore we know that Angron is only a beast without brain, yes we know about emperor,butcher nails,his rage and all the negative things. In italy only few book are translate,so reading and hearing about his human side,about he was created for be the healer,his compassion and love for his brothers and sisters on Nuceria,i cryed.
angron should sound like he is in constant pain, and this captures it perfectly. even the sharp intakes of breath are perfect, letting your voice break. i can hear the tears welling in his eyes.
I really hear in Angron’s voice the intonation of a man who really valued something... he’s just a kind, big guy who was broken by suffering... he didn’t want all this
The interesting thing is, even after Nuceria, there's times when his caring side sneaks through. When he's on the bridge of the Conqueror, he takes special attention and care to the Navigator girl, to make sure she's as happy as she can be, as comfortable as she can be. He's actually very, very delicate with her. And him and Lotara have their banter, which on some level I think he appreciates because she doesn't treat him as a Higher Authority. He's supposed to be her boss, and she will listen to him...most of the time. But she's not afraid to disagree with him. He lost his brothers and sisters, but in a way he did form bonds with random people on the Conqueror. Not close... but enough.
@@dragonfruitsalad He was planned as The Healer out of all the Primarchs. Healing bodies, hearts and souls, especially AFTER the great crusade - instead fate and fickle gods made him into a post-human deluxe blender for a bloodthirsty embodiment of slaughter.
Trust me when I say this, Angron is by far one of the purest of all Primarchs, regardless of his resolve, you cannot fault him for his undoing. The longer I read through his lore, the more I feel for him. He has the power to absorb the pain and negative emotions of others. Yet the pain he had was too much. I cannot blame him for what he has done, one of a few times a fictional character made me tear up. Your potrayal is by top notch, thank you RufusJuice
I've heard a good few voices for Angron: the cracked grandeur of David Timson, the looming threat of Vox in the Void, the frothing wrath of Jonathan Cox and the indignation of Chris Glass. And I have to say, yours is the best one by a country mile, for one simple reason: the glimpses of warmth we hear in his voice. The fondness in his words when he reflects on his fellow gladiators, the faint shred of joy in his laughter, the sobs begging to spill out even against the Nails... nobody else ever captured that. You gave us a small look at the man Angron could have been, what he *would* have been if it weren't for the Nails, you did justice by the Red Angel. So in all sincerity, well bloody done.
@@RufusJuice What can I say, it's a rare day that something can so quickly bring me to tears, so when it does... oh it's somethin' special, no doubt. Consider me plenty eager to see the rest of your repertoire.
This is art. I actually have tears in my eyes listening to Angron talking about his fellow gladiators. There's something about his voice that text alone cannot convey, almost like he's not just telling Lorgar about the people who fought and died by his side, but begging for someone else to remember them as he did, so that their legacy won't die with him.
To an outside observer, Angron appears to be a blood thirsty maniac. But in the novels, he’s so much deeper. One of the most tragic characters in the 40K universe.
Angron didn't choose his homeworld. Angron didn't choose to become a Gladiator. Angron didn't choose to have the Butcher's Nails. Angron didn't choose to slay his father. Angron didn't choose to abandon his people. Angron didn't choose to return to the Imperium. Angron didn't choose to live a Daemon Primarch of Khorne. Angron, the only Primarch who never had a Choice. He was the Slave Primarch, a Demigod made to serve others and allowing him to not make a single Choice in his life. Not a single Choice.
No one would ever argue that Angron got dealt the most shit hand of every Primark besides 2 and 11. I have a lot of sympathy for him and all the shit he had to put up with. But he did make one choice after the Emperor picked him up. He chose to recreate the nails in his legion. He enslaved the people who called him father to his own trauma when no one forced him to. He had to go out of his way to develop and recreate a poorly understood piece of dark age tech and inflict his pain upon the legion entrusted to him. Even with the nails some part of him cries out for honor. I think if he were ever able to take a step back and look at his own actions he'd be horrified by what he did.
Angron was indeed dealt alot of duds. But he had choices to make and at every turn he chose to not go forwards. Instead he lashed out at everyone and everything that wanted to help him and lift him from his trauma. Angron chose to not deal with his past. Angron chose his fate. Angron chose his future. Angron chose his legions future. It is a sad and heartwrenching story of a man unable to come to terms with his traumas, whishing to die and run from it, not being allowed to by his brothers love.
Yes but he was manipulated by Lorgar,he even doesnt know about becoming a demon. He didnt choose to became a demon. But sometime Khorne off his butcher nails.
Absolutely perfect version of Angron. The sadness in his voice, the softness when he talks of his brothers and sisters, the pain in every word. He doesn't sound like he's gargling rocks, but his voice tells of the roughness of his life. Fantastic job. I can almost see him throwing his arms wide while he taunts the ghosts of those Highriders, amidst the field of bones, voice echoing off the rocks. With only Lorgar there to hear his tale. When Lorgar says 'You will have your vengeance. You have my WORD." I can see him reaching out to touch Angron's shoulder lightly, while looking him dead in the eyes so he can see his promise and vow.
@2handedswordenjoyer well, he kept his word, didn't he? Saved Angron from the Nails (in a backwards way), and helped him gain his eternal vengeance on the Emperor and all who worship him.... Just not in the way Angron wanted or expected.
@@2handedswordenjoyerits worth considering that it was the only possible way to save Angron from dying to the nails, as he'd promised to do. Obviously the right thing would've been to let him die as he'd wished his whole life, but he'd been the closest thing to a friend Angron had had amongst the primarchs. The ritual was literally a deal meant to trade the lives of the worlds they'd destroyed to save Angron. He'd have no way of knowing the outcome beforehand.
And is for this that he can survive so long to butcher nails. Every other primarch probably died in few months. He was with mortarion the tank and healer of the primarcs.
@@CorvoThan When the Eldar attacked him as a child, they took something truly special from the Imperium. The Irony is by trying to stop it, they turned him into the homicidal monster he is today.
Incredible. The best part its that when he imitates his speech in the top of a rock with the chainswords. Trying to regain the feeling when he was free.
It's not a sympathy but manipulation. He just trying to manipulate and the worst of it he didn't save his brother. Better die free than live as a slave.
@@Warmaster2001 "Better to die free than live as a slave." The repeating tragic irony of Angron's entire life: every time he wished to die, he was forced to live as something worse than he was before. When he wanted to die rather than kill old Oenomaus, they stuck the Nails in him and he murdered his best friend. When he wanted to die with his fellow slaves, he was stolen away and forced to live with the guilt and the pain. When he tried as hard as he could to find death in the Great Crusade, he found no success, and his fellow legions reviled him and the World Eaters as monsters. When he nearly died against Gulliman, Lorgar turned him into a Daemon of Khorne. Angron's only freedom from pain and suffering is death, and yet it always is pulled just out of his reach when he reaches for it.
The music, the voice. You can hear Angron’s grief so perfectly. Good memories of terrible times, a time lost forever at the cusp of everything they wanted.
Angron was truly the betrayed. Not by the Emperor or by the Imperium, but by fate itself. If one should believe in such a thing… Angron the Betrayed. And Lorgar the Fool.
Angron, Lorgar, and Magnus are my favourites because of how easy it is to see the flaws in the emperor through their eyes. The emperor is a narcissistic tyrant, reliant on pretty armour, unmatched power, and charisma to hide how bad and uncaring he truly is.
It's more manipulation than therapy notice how almost every time Lorgar speaks here he is trying to twist the focus of Angron's pain towards his own agenda. Lorgar feels no empathy, not really. He just sees Angron as a weapon to be given a target.
@@pyerack I think Lorgar did feel some pity and empathy , but yes it was secondary. But again, that's like the best you're gonna get out of 40k as far as that goes
@@pyerack I'm pretty confidant that Lorgar definitely feels some sympathy and pity for Angron, it's all secondary to his main objective but they are there, he's one of the few primarchs who can actually do this but still be able to continue on their path
@@TheHandofDestiny if you actually read the scene where he transforms, there was no secondary motive. He'd made a deal with the spirits of the warp to trade a trillion lives in exchange for Angron's salvation. It states that the ritual required him to channel more psychic energy than any mortal being had ever done in history, and that he just wanted to lay down and die. There's a good chance that had the World Eater psykers and Lhorke not interrupted the ritual, it could've gone to plan and saved Angron from death and the pain of the nails. The book makes it clear that Lorgar actually cared about Angron and that the whole thing was to save him.
@@TheHandofDestiny Of all the primarchs lorgar was without a doubt one of the most empathetic. If it was not for the nails and erebus manipulating him, i feel like angron, lorgar and vulkan would be good friends
Funny how Big E can spend time partying with Leman Russ, drinking, fighting, spear chucking, but can't spend just a little bit of time sending down the Custodes to wipe out the high riders. Imagine how different Angron would be if the Emperor wasn't such a sack of doodoo?
Nuceria was under Ultramar reign and was joining the imperium without questions. The bad thing is the emperor was on the planet months before the final battle with Angron and his gladiators,was observing him and his rebellion but take a pact with high riders for saving only Angron and dont care about his brothers A good father order an exterminatus only for have slaved son and remove part of his brain for install butcher nails.
Admittedly Angron wasn't the easiest person to be around even for the emperor. But the emperor as we learn wasn't a loving father. He viewed his sons as a means to an end.
@@infidelheretic923it’s more complicated than that . He did conceived them as a mean to an end but still viewed them as sons with which he would lovingly live with . We actually never saw the emperor raising his children for no fault of his own . It was Erda who doomed them to their fate . Yet again after he find them he certainly prefer those who weren’t already broken ( Konrad and Angron ).
How the hell did you get the voices so right? An abused older brother finally allowing himself to truly bleed infront of his little brother, exposing himself completely and trusting his brother to understand. You had me crying, Angron reminds me of myslef to a self reflective extent and goodness you got the hurt in his voice perfectly.
"We came from the red sands -- growing in the filth, eating THE SH[] the high-riders fed us. But we broke free.....& WE MADE THE BAS[] PAY..." 👏👏👏 mannn how i wish the audiobooks were this marvelous
That's just sad. I really felt his pain, his griev, his sadness. This guy was screwed over so hard: 1. An Eldar kill team tries to assassinate him because of a vision and fails. 2. The badly wounded Angron, unable to fight any longer, is captured by slavers. 3. He's forced to fight for his life as a child gladiator every single day. 4. He refuses to fight his foster father and gets punished by getting the butcher's nails implanted into his brain. 5. The nails causing him to go berserk and kill his foster father. 6. His mind deteriorates because of the nails. Rage, hate and lust for vengeance are all that's left. 7. When his rebellion is doomed to fail and all he wants is to die with his brothers and sisters in arms he's abducted by his real father. 8. His father, the Emperor, let him watch how his gladiators were slaughtered and saying that they are meaningless. Basicly taking the only conscious decission Angron ever made since he recieved the butchers nails and calling everything Angron and the gladiators fought and died for worthless. 9. The Emperor only saw a broken Primarch and concidered him good enough for waging war. How can someone believe that Angron WOULDN'T turn on his father after all of that? 10. When everything escalates because the Emperor ignored Angron's feelings and state of mind and allowed him to do what he wants, he doesn't even concider it a big enough problem for him to intervene and sends his executioner to talk to Angron. 11. Angron forces Leman Russ to retreat and the fall of him and his World Eaters goes on. 12. Lorgar used him by pretending to care about him and let him wage war against the Emperor and the other Primarchs. 13. Lorgar decides so save his Brother by turning him into a demon condemning him to unbearable pain and bloodlust for all eternity.
Angron doesn't want vengeance. He doesn't want to crush Terra or the Emperor. He wants his true family back. He wanted to die free. And the Emperor couldn't be bothered to lend a hand to save both Angron and his people? For all of his so-called foresight and intelligence, he doesn't seem very good at earning loyalty.
@@lord_azatoth I don't know a whole lot about 40k, but there's so much contradictory information that it has me constantly question the Emperor's "wisdom".
@@lord_azatoth I know they've hinted at this idea before, but I *really* hope they don't go down that route, because it'd retroactively make the whole setting unbelievably dumb. -It renders the entire heresy meaningless. It completely trivializes Sanguinius's death as well as Ferrus' and it makes the Emp's proclamation at the foundation of the Grey Knights void. Like, I'm on board with Emps expecting a civil war between the Primarchs and pragmatically accepting some (Like Angron) might not make it to the finish line, that Chaos turned an otherwise "conventional" civil war into the Heresy, that he made the only choice he had left for the sake of humanity by seating the golden throne, slowly turned into something new by human faith and belief. But if every, single step of the setting is just Emp's grander perfect plan, if even his *obvious* mistakes are just pre-ordained projects, 40k just becomes an unnecessarily edgy version of Dune with an even more bizarre Leto... To me, what made the Imperium interesting is that it's fallen state is ultimately a testament to human fallibility, from the mortals to its creator. The fact he could have such a human flaws as being a bad parent and making mistakes in the face of the unforeseen was perhaps the most clear cut proof that the Emperor *was* in fact human after all.
@@rustkarl You ever get the feeling that the real villains of this story are the writers themselves? They had to intentionally have the Emperor make shitty choices in order to create the grim dark universe that is 40k. He could have saved Angron along with his people. These battle-hardened gladiator warriors might have made excellent soldiers, provided they were offered the choice to fight rather than being forced to. I don't know much about Angron's history, but I can imagine they might have chosen to continue fighting by his side. Instead, we have this... A Primarch who had nothing and yet still lost everything.
"Words dont do them justice..." Damn... he knows exactly how the cruel world works and told us not to stay and still even in the front of death. I wish Angron had been treated better.
1:40 made me cry so hard that he was happy and even had a moment of peace with his family, they actually made a choice, not forced on them but they alone made, god how angron is one of the most tragic charaters I can see people who that never got into 40k fall in love with him reading his story from order only to fucking cry like ankin with darth vader
You should consider a career on professional voice acting if thats something you arent already pursuing. Incredible. I dont comment often but this was outstanding.
This is incredible voice acting, you have an amazing talent & I’m actually in tears, I can feel the pain and the pure blood boiling white hot rage of Angron.
This is really beautiful its such a masterpiece the anger the pain the ache in angron and its shows that angron was scarred from this traumatized about this This was the only time angron was able to actually go through those memories with someone have someone an equal not someone higher or lower an equal to listen to his story without judgement
This is why I love Angron Out of all the primarchs Angron's story is the most tragic compelling and intriguing in the whole setting. He reminds me of Guts from Berserk
The sad thing that most people don't realize is that Lorgar was genuinely trying to save Angron, and the interruption of The Communion and Lhorke likely caused the ritual to go awry. Had it gone the way it was supposed to, Angron would have been freed of the nails and from suffering. Lorgar genuinely cared about Angron, to the point he made a deal to trade a trillion lives from a hundred worlds for Angron's salvation. Everyone dogs on him for what the end result was, ignoring that it was attempted with the intent of saving the brother whom he was the only one to care about or even try to treat like a person.
I'm pretty sure he always intended for Angron to become what he became. He even tells Kharn later that Angron's suffering is decreased as a daemon. He was just wrong, as he was wrong about pretty much everything involving Chaos.
"The great song was more than a harmony to rewrite the void; it was the tune destined to rewrite a primarch’s genetic coding while immolating his very soul. Through the fire, something purer would emerge into the material realm. Something immortal, composed wholly of rage, not subject to pain or the mortal prickings given by the Butcher’s Nails. Lorgar had composed the warp to perfection." The intention was for him to be free of the suffering of the nails. Lorgar didn't get to complete the ritual properly, and Khorne took Angron as his own. Korne also decided that the nails were useful. While Lorgar is at fault for not respecting Angron's desire to die, his intention was clearly stated as being to save Angron and free him from the pain.
@@MrHoneumalorgars intention doesn’t override khornes will. If khorne wanted to, he could make it 100% pain free but doesn’t. When lorgar and angron were fighting the eldar, a dying eldar commented that the nails were leading Angron to the eightfold path. The nails are a machination of khorne. Not just some tool of the high riders of nuceria
Angron may not seem like it at first glimpse but he had the biggest heart of all the primarchs i think. The way he talks about his friends and brothers in arms it moves me to tears.
I wonder how much of it is manipulation and how much of it is simply Lorgar projecting what he wants because of how consumed he is by his vision. He can get Angron's anger to an extent and does care, but he's still laser-focused on the great vision of a galaxy united by Chaos. As others have said, Angron is the primarch who was never given a choice. However, Lorgar was the primarch who never allowed himself a choice or even the possibility of turning back, at least once he had convinced himself of the "right" thing to do. Not that far from Konrad, come to think of it. Both consumed by their ideals, vision (in Konrad's case, literally), and flawed concepts of destiny till it ruined them.
I wonder how the Heresy would have gone down if the Emperor had decided to teleport down and joined them. He would have won in moments. He clearly had the time to do fuck around with Vulkhan. If only the Emperor had made himself the saviour and not the prison guard to Angron
I genuinely feel sad for Angron, everything the man ever wanted was to finally rest and be free. Instead, he was always seem and used as a tool for slaughter by everyone around him - be it the traitors, or the Emperor himself. Lorgar tried so much to twist Angron very feelings into those of vengeance against the Imperium, but in the end... Angron really just wanted to be left alone so that he could die in peace and maybe, just maybe, meet his brothers and sisters in another life. He became a husk of himself, a tormented soul screaming for help as the butcher's nails clouded his reason and made him lash out in anger against everyone on his way. And in the few moments of clarity Angron had... he was able to see the hell he was dragged in, the one he unwillingly help to build, and all he could do was weep.
Man, I'm just struck again and again by how much irony gets loaded into Angron's story. He was designed to be an empathetic leader, a vital part of imperial leadership since even the Emperor was long on plans and intentions but short on empathy for others; the Butcher's Nails ruined that, and turned what would likely have been the great peacemaker among the Primarchs into a furious killer, something the Imperium had in excess already. The Legions were awaiting their gene-fathers to truly come together as a family as well as an army, but Angron HAD a family and losing it the way he did meant he couldn't allow himself to accept his sons; it probably felt like a betrayal of his brothers and sisters to "replace" them, and the War Hounds lose their way as a legion trying to understand what was DONE to Angron. Nuceria's horrific social system left the part of Angron that feels more than rage with a deep distrust of power, a desire to be free, and a disgust for the strong trampling the weak. In a phenomenally cruel twist, while he's not buying what the Emperor is selling, his second rebellion leads to his treacherous brother, the one who actually bothered to get to know him at all, knowingly enslaving him all over again to the EMBODIMENT of the strong trampling the weak.
I found your videos and damn! Your voice is amazing! I love how you captured a genuinely heartfelt moment from Angron, I'm really impressed. I love this passage, you really show the humanity in the primarchs.
This is why Angron is my favourite traitor Primarch: maybe even my favourite Primarch. He was the only traitor, who fell through no fault of his own. While Mortarion said raved at what the Emperor stole from him, Angron was the only one who truly knew such a deep loss. He didn’t just lose his chance at vengeance: he lost his family, his dignity, his identity without ever tasting freedom. May the red angels of Neuciria one day find peace.
Angron. The embodiment of will power. My uead Cannon is angron will one day retain that immesne will power and finally have a choice. *Breaks free from khorne
i can see the picture of this conversation, Angron on his knees in the mists of the bones of his brothers and sisters, Lorgar a respectable distance behind him, and as he spoke Angron begins to cry for his kin, and how his life has been in the hands of one slave master after another, first the high riders, then his "father"
The voice acting is simply magnificent, tears flowed from my eyes! I have added a link to your channel to all my wahi fan chats, so I hope you will get more subscribers soon😉
He had so much taken from him, and when he finally had his one chance to make his own path, it was stolen from him again and again. When he finally was done with everything and decided to die, that was stolen from him and was turned to a demon without his consent.
I think it’s even more tragic that Lorgar didn’t let Angron die in the segue of terra like he promised instead making him into the worst version of himself
Absolutely captured Angron's pain and anguish in this. Amazing work!
How refreshing hearing Angron as a human with a vendetta instead of a slobbering brooding maniac. Makes his fall relatable and understandable
He really doesn't get enough spotlight as the most ill-fated son of big E.
To be fair, we mostly see him as a Demon Primarch, when there is practically notthing left of the man he was; when we see his human self, it's always as a tragic figure
That's because he isn't human. He is a blood spewing killing machine.
He was both.
It is no accident that the ''brothers'' with the greatest claim, the greatest reason to rebel against the tyrant of order, met.
The Emperor could neither see the monster he was,
nor the monsters he created.
He failed.
Ten Thousand years of unimaginable torture was the only penance he could give,
and even it was not enough for the failure he brought upon humanity.
It should be a lesson for any tyrant, that no man rules alone
and that his sins will have consequences, no matter his delusion.
"Why do you cry?"
"He is Angron. The Red Angel. He cannot cry, so i cry for him."
this hits so hard
Is this an excerpt from a book ? If so which one ?
@@tildoss1810 No, it's a quote from the movie Conan the Barbarian
@@dirtywings7251 oh ok thanks 👍
@@tildoss1810 You're welcome 😌
Hearing Angron experiencing emotions other than homicidal rage is really heartbreaking.
I swear i have cry.
In the italian lore we know that Angron is only a beast without brain, yes we know about emperor,butcher nails,his rage and all the negative things.
In italy only few book are translate,so reading and hearing about his human side,about he was created for be the healer,his compassion and love for his brothers and sisters on Nuceria,i cryed.
Painful too probably since the nails will punish him for it .
angron should sound like he is in constant pain, and this captures it perfectly. even the sharp intakes of breath are perfect, letting your voice break. i can hear the tears welling in his eyes.
Damn, if you did an audiobook of this It'll be one of the first on my list.
Yeah Sam, I really hope he does. I actually want to purchase it.
I've never actually felt like spending money on an audiobook before.
I really hear in Angron’s voice the intonation of a man who really valued something... he’s just a kind, big guy who was broken by suffering... he didn’t want all this
The interesting thing is, even after Nuceria, there's times when his caring side sneaks through. When he's on the bridge of the Conqueror, he takes special attention and care to the Navigator girl, to make sure she's as happy as she can be, as comfortable as she can be. He's actually very, very delicate with her. And him and Lotara have their banter, which on some level I think he appreciates because she doesn't treat him as a Higher Authority. He's supposed to be her boss, and she will listen to him...most of the time. But she's not afraid to disagree with him. He lost his brothers and sisters, but in a way he did form bonds with random people on the Conqueror. Not close... but enough.
Without the nail, he should had been the most empathic primarch.
Isn’t Angron an empath?? Able to feel and detect others emotions??
@@dragonfruitsalad He was planned as The Healer out of all the Primarchs. Healing bodies, hearts and souls, especially AFTER the great crusade - instead fate and fickle gods made him into a post-human deluxe blender for a bloodthirsty embodiment of slaughter.
Simply, thank you .
Trust me when I say this, Angron is by far one of the purest of all Primarchs, regardless of his resolve, you cannot fault him for his undoing. The longer I read through his lore, the more I feel for him. He has the power to absorb the pain and negative emotions of others. Yet the pain he had was too much. I cannot blame him for what he has done, one of a few times a fictional character made me tear up. Your potrayal is by top notch, thank you RufusJuice
I've heard a good few voices for Angron: the cracked grandeur of David Timson, the looming threat of Vox in the Void, the frothing wrath of Jonathan Cox and the indignation of Chris Glass. And I have to say, yours is the best one by a country mile, for one simple reason: the glimpses of warmth we hear in his voice. The fondness in his words when he reflects on his fellow gladiators, the faint shred of joy in his laughter, the sobs begging to spill out even against the Nails... nobody else ever captured that. You gave us a small look at the man Angron could have been, what he *would* have been if it weren't for the Nails, you did justice by the Red Angel. So in all sincerity, well bloody done.
Wow, you've made my week, thank you.
@@RufusJuice What can I say, it's a rare day that something can so quickly bring me to tears, so when it does... oh it's somethin' special, no doubt. Consider me plenty eager to see the rest of your repertoire.
@@RufusJuice do you remember what music you used? you only link to the channel
Bro captured pure emotions in his voice. Excellent 👍
This is art. I actually have tears in my eyes listening to Angron talking about his fellow gladiators. There's something about his voice that text alone cannot convey, almost like he's not just telling Lorgar about the people who fought and died by his side, but begging for someone else to remember them as he did, so that their legacy won't die with him.
To an outside observer, Angron appears to be a blood thirsty maniac. But in the novels, he’s so much deeper. One of the most tragic characters in the 40K universe.
Angron didn't choose his homeworld.
Angron didn't choose to become a Gladiator.
Angron didn't choose to have the Butcher's Nails.
Angron didn't choose to slay his father.
Angron didn't choose to abandon his people.
Angron didn't choose to return to the Imperium.
Angron didn't choose to live a Daemon Primarch of Khorne.
Angron, the only Primarch who never had a Choice.
He was the Slave Primarch, a Demigod made to serve others and allowing him to not make a single Choice in his life.
Not a single Choice.
No one would ever argue that Angron got dealt the most shit hand of every Primark besides 2 and 11. I have a lot of sympathy for him and all the shit he had to put up with.
But he did make one choice after the Emperor picked him up. He chose to recreate the nails in his legion. He enslaved the people who called him father to his own trauma when no one forced him to. He had to go out of his way to develop and recreate a poorly understood piece of dark age tech and inflict his pain upon the legion entrusted to him. Even with the nails some part of him cries out for honor. I think if he were ever able to take a step back and look at his own actions he'd be horrified by what he did.
Angron was indeed dealt alot of duds. But he had choices to make and at every turn he chose to not go forwards. Instead he lashed out at everyone and everything that wanted to help him and lift him from his trauma.
Angron chose to not deal with his past.
Angron chose his fate.
Angron chose his future.
Angron chose his legions future.
It is a sad and heartwrenching story of a man unable to come to terms with his traumas, whishing to die and run from it, not being allowed to by his brothers love.
Konrad is the only Primarch to kinda enjoy the Crusade. He could skin as many babies as he wants and not get cancelled for it
@@krieger8825 Really, what more you could ever ask for in life?
Well, he could kill Kharn in that cave and all who came with him and then die because of nails. This was a choice, to give his legion a second chance
"...and I will die free!"
And now he cannot die at all, a slave eternal to a master infinitely crueler than even the High-Riders.
Yes but he was manipulated by Lorgar,he even doesnt know about becoming a demon. He didnt choose to became a demon. But sometime Khorne off his butcher nails.
Absolutely perfect version of Angron. The sadness in his voice, the softness when he talks of his brothers and sisters, the pain in every word. He doesn't sound like he's gargling rocks, but his voice tells of the roughness of his life. Fantastic job. I can almost see him throwing his arms wide while he taunts the ghosts of those Highriders, amidst the field of bones, voice echoing off the rocks. With only Lorgar there to hear his tale. When Lorgar says 'You will have your vengeance. You have my WORD." I can see him reaching out to touch Angron's shoulder lightly, while looking him dead in the eyes so he can see his promise and vow.
that’s an awful lot of credit to give the man who turned him into a demon primarch against his will
@2handedswordenjoyer well, he kept his word, didn't he? Saved Angron from the Nails (in a backwards way), and helped him gain his eternal vengeance on the Emperor and all who worship him....
Just not in the way Angron wanted or expected.
@@2handedswordenjoyerits worth considering that it was the only possible way to save Angron from dying to the nails, as he'd promised to do. Obviously the right thing would've been to let him die as he'd wished his whole life, but he'd been the closest thing to a friend Angron had had amongst the primarchs. The ritual was literally a deal meant to trade the lives of the worlds they'd destroyed to save Angron. He'd have no way of knowing the outcome beforehand.
Never forget: he was envisioned to be a healer….
And is for this that he can survive so long to butcher nails.
Every other primarch probably died in few months. He was with mortarion the tank and healer of the primarcs.
the nails took much from angron
@@CorvoThan When the Eldar attacked him as a child, they took something truly special from the Imperium. The Irony is by trying to stop it, they turned him into the homicidal monster he is today.
@@CorvoThanJust like circumcision.
@@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_BaconI’m circumcised and I’m fine.
Ain’t nothing wrong with it.
Incredible.
The best part its that when he imitates his speech in the top of a rock with the chainswords. Trying to regain the feeling when he was free.
I love how lorgar is manipulating angron but still, deep down, feels a bit of sympathy for his brother.
It's not a sympathy but manipulation. He just trying to manipulate and the worst of it he didn't save his brother. Better die free than live as a slave.
@maltheri9833
I do believe that was Lorgar's Primarch power.
@@Warmaster2001 "Better to die free than live as a slave." The repeating tragic irony of Angron's entire life: every time he wished to die, he was forced to live as something worse than he was before.
When he wanted to die rather than kill old Oenomaus, they stuck the Nails in him and he murdered his best friend.
When he wanted to die with his fellow slaves, he was stolen away and forced to live with the guilt and the pain.
When he tried as hard as he could to find death in the Great Crusade, he found no success, and his fellow legions reviled him and the World Eaters as monsters.
When he nearly died against Gulliman, Lorgar turned him into a Daemon of Khorne.
Angron's only freedom from pain and suffering is death, and yet it always is pulled just out of his reach when he reaches for it.
The music, the voice.
You can hear Angron’s grief so perfectly. Good memories of terrible times, a time lost forever at the cusp of everything they wanted.
Angron was truly the betrayed. Not by the Emperor or by the Imperium, but by fate itself. If one should believe in such a thing… Angron the Betrayed. And Lorgar the Fool.
Angron, Lorgar, and Magnus are my favourites because of how easy it is to see the flaws in the emperor through their eyes.
The emperor is a narcissistic tyrant, reliant on pretty armour, unmatched power, and charisma to hide how bad and uncaring he truly is.
@@gaebi Wait, it was made pretty clear in siege of terra, the fact that he loved his sons.
uhm... how was he not betrayed by the emperor?
Lorgar the little bitch
@@windblownleaf6450emperor saved his ass from dying.You cannot expect from him to his son die.
This is so good! Love your videos
The best rendition of Angron I've ever heard.. I had tears in my eyes listening to this.. fantastic work!!!
Her: "I can't believe he didn't cry watching Titanic? Do men have no feelings at all?"
You and me listening to this video:
Lorgar obviously had ulterior motives, but good on him for providing Angron with the 40k equivalent of therapy, for a little while
It's more manipulation than therapy notice how almost every time Lorgar speaks here he is trying to twist the focus of Angron's pain towards his own agenda.
Lorgar feels no empathy, not really. He just sees Angron as a weapon to be given a target.
@@pyerack I think Lorgar did feel some pity and empathy , but yes it was secondary. But again, that's like the best you're gonna get out of 40k as far as that goes
@@pyerack I'm pretty confidant that Lorgar definitely feels some sympathy and pity for Angron, it's all secondary to his main objective but they are there, he's one of the few primarchs who can actually do this but still be able to continue on their path
@@TheHandofDestiny if you actually read the scene where he transforms, there was no secondary motive. He'd made a deal with the spirits of the warp to trade a trillion lives in exchange for Angron's salvation. It states that the ritual required him to channel more psychic energy than any mortal being had ever done in history, and that he just wanted to lay down and die. There's a good chance that had the World Eater psykers and Lhorke not interrupted the ritual, it could've gone to plan and saved Angron from death and the pain of the nails.
The book makes it clear that Lorgar actually cared about Angron and that the whole thing was to save him.
@@TheHandofDestiny Of all the primarchs lorgar was without a doubt one of the most empathetic. If it was not for the nails and erebus manipulating him, i feel like angron, lorgar and vulkan would be good friends
"My brothers and sisters DIED HERE!! They died without me...."
If the Emperor would have saved his gladiator family, he'd have guaranteed Angron's loyalty
Funny how Big E can spend time partying with Leman Russ, drinking, fighting, spear chucking, but can't spend just a little bit of time sending down the Custodes to wipe out the high riders. Imagine how different Angron would be if the Emperor wasn't such a sack of doodoo?
Not even that.
Just jump down from his ship, _on His own,_ with only his burning sword and a pauldron.
Nuceria was under Ultramar reign and was joining the imperium without questions.
The bad thing is the emperor was on the planet months before the final battle with Angron and his gladiators,was observing him and his rebellion but take a pact with high riders for saving only Angron and dont care about his brothers
A good father order an exterminatus only for have slaved son and remove part of his brain for install butcher nails.
@@lucadellavedova9713 Nuceria isn't part of the realm of Ultramar, it's just near its borders.
Admittedly Angron wasn't the easiest person to be around even for the emperor.
But the emperor as we learn wasn't a loving father. He viewed his sons as a means to an end.
@@infidelheretic923it’s more complicated than that . He did conceived them as a mean to an end but still viewed them as sons with which he would lovingly live with .
We actually never saw the emperor raising his children for no fault of his own . It was Erda who doomed them to their fate .
Yet again after he find them he certainly prefer those who weren’t already broken ( Konrad and Angron ).
damn that brought a tear to me damn son. Angron deserved better.
Guts of 40k my guy needs to be put down
How the hell did you get the voices so right? An abused older brother finally allowing himself to truly bleed infront of his little brother, exposing himself completely and trusting his brother to understand.
You had me crying, Angron reminds me of myslef to a self reflective extent and goodness you got the hurt in his voice perfectly.
"We came from the red sands -- growing in the filth, eating THE SH[] the high-riders fed us. But we broke free.....& WE MADE THE BAS[] PAY..."
👏👏👏 mannn how i wish the audiobooks were this marvelous
Marvelous ? Surely you mean Glorious.
That's just sad. I really felt his pain, his griev, his sadness. This guy was screwed over so hard:
1. An Eldar kill team tries to assassinate him because of a vision and fails.
2. The badly wounded Angron, unable to fight any longer, is captured by slavers.
3. He's forced to fight for his life as a child gladiator every single day.
4. He refuses to fight his foster father and gets punished by getting the butcher's nails implanted into his brain.
5. The nails causing him to go berserk and kill his foster father.
6. His mind deteriorates because of the nails. Rage, hate and lust for vengeance are all that's left.
7. When his rebellion is doomed to fail and all he wants is to die with his brothers and sisters in arms he's abducted by his real father.
8. His father, the Emperor, let him watch how his gladiators were slaughtered and saying that they are meaningless.
Basicly taking the only conscious decission Angron ever made since he recieved the butchers nails and calling everything Angron and the gladiators fought and died for worthless.
9. The Emperor only saw a broken Primarch and concidered him good enough for waging war. How can someone believe that Angron WOULDN'T turn on his father after all of that?
10. When everything escalates because the Emperor ignored Angron's feelings and state of mind and allowed him to do what he wants, he doesn't even concider it a big enough problem for him to intervene and sends his executioner to talk to Angron.
11. Angron forces Leman Russ to retreat and the fall of him and his World Eaters goes on.
12. Lorgar used him by pretending to care about him and let him wage war against the Emperor and the other Primarchs.
13. Lorgar decides so save his Brother by turning him into a demon condemning him to unbearable pain and bloodlust for all eternity.
Angron doesn't want vengeance. He doesn't want to crush Terra or the Emperor. He wants his true family back. He wanted to die free.
And the Emperor couldn't be bothered to lend a hand to save both Angron and his people? For all of his so-called foresight and intelligence, he doesn't seem very good at earning loyalty.
This was all part of the Grand Plan, even Heresy, I guess
@@lord_azatoth I don't know a whole lot about 40k, but there's so much contradictory information that it has me constantly question the Emperor's "wisdom".
@@lord_azatoth I know they've hinted at this idea before, but I *really* hope they don't go down that route, because it'd retroactively make the whole setting unbelievably dumb.
-It renders the entire heresy meaningless. It completely trivializes Sanguinius's death as well as Ferrus' and it makes the Emp's proclamation at the foundation of the Grey Knights void.
Like, I'm on board with Emps expecting a civil war between the Primarchs and pragmatically accepting some (Like Angron) might not make it to the finish line, that Chaos turned an otherwise "conventional" civil war into the Heresy, that he made the only choice he had left for the sake of humanity by seating the golden throne, slowly turned into something new by human faith and belief. But if every, single step of the setting is just Emp's grander perfect plan, if even his *obvious* mistakes are just pre-ordained projects, 40k just becomes an unnecessarily edgy version of Dune with an even more bizarre Leto...
To me, what made the Imperium interesting is that it's fallen state is ultimately a testament to human fallibility, from the mortals to its creator. The fact he could have such a human flaws as being a bad parent and making mistakes in the face of the unforeseen was perhaps the most clear cut proof that the Emperor *was* in fact human after all.
He just wanted to go with them…
If not that, then to go like them.
Both times he was denied.
@@rustkarl You ever get the feeling that the real villains of this story are the writers themselves? They had to intentionally have the Emperor make shitty choices in order to create the grim dark universe that is 40k.
He could have saved Angron along with his people. These battle-hardened gladiator warriors might have made excellent soldiers, provided they were offered the choice to fight rather than being forced to. I don't know much about Angron's history, but I can imagine they might have chosen to continue fighting by his side. Instead, we have this... A Primarch who had nothing and yet still lost everything.
"Words dont do them justice..."
Damn... he knows exactly how the cruel world works and told us not to stay and still even in the front of death.
I wish Angron had been treated better.
1:40 made me cry so hard that he was happy and even had a moment of peace with his family, they actually made a choice, not forced on them but they alone made, god how angron is one of the most tragic charaters I can see people who that never got into 40k fall in love with him reading his story from order only to fucking cry like ankin with darth vader
“I am Angron of The Pits. Born in Blood, Raised in the Dark and I. WILL. DIE. FREE!” Is so damn powerful for most slaved Primarch. Heartbreaking.
OMFG this made me cry for a bit... i never thought of it as dramatic when i read it in paper. Angron got just better. Great job
Angron is the epitome of the phrase "Hurt people hurt people."
This was so much more powerful than in the audiobook. Amazing!
You should consider a career on professional voice acting if thats something you arent already pursuing. Incredible. I dont comment often but this was outstanding.
This is incredible voice acting, you have an amazing talent & I’m actually in tears, I can feel the pain and the pure blood boiling white hot rage of Angron.
This is really beautiful its such a masterpiece the anger the pain the ache in angron and its shows that angron was scarred from this traumatized about this This was the only time angron was able to actually go through those memories with someone have someone an equal not someone higher or lower an equal to listen to his story without judgement
This is one of the most amazing VA I've heard.
’He took me!’
Lorgar: Ayo????
This is why I love Angron
Out of all the primarchs Angron's story is the most tragic compelling and intriguing in the whole setting. He reminds me of Guts from Berserk
This genuinely had me tearing up.
RufusJuice you are seriously under appreciated. I consider myself very lucky to have heard this work of art. Your voice acting is incredible.
Unbelievable he made me cry over angron I actually felt the pain in his voice. Well done 👏👏👏
This is by far the best voice acting I have ever heard in a long time. Angron's voice and emotions come across so heavy on my soul.
The sad thing that most people don't realize is that Lorgar was genuinely trying to save Angron, and the interruption of The Communion and Lhorke likely caused the ritual to go awry. Had it gone the way it was supposed to, Angron would have been freed of the nails and from suffering.
Lorgar genuinely cared about Angron, to the point he made a deal to trade a trillion lives from a hundred worlds for Angron's salvation. Everyone dogs on him for what the end result was, ignoring that it was attempted with the intent of saving the brother whom he was the only one to care about or even try to treat like a person.
I'm pretty sure he always intended for Angron to become what he became. He even tells Kharn later that Angron's suffering is decreased as a daemon. He was just wrong, as he was wrong about pretty much everything involving Chaos.
"The great song was more than a harmony to rewrite the void; it was the tune destined to rewrite a primarch’s genetic coding while immolating his very soul. Through the fire, something purer would emerge into the material realm. Something immortal, composed wholly of rage, not subject to pain or the mortal prickings given by the Butcher’s Nails. Lorgar had composed the warp to perfection."
The intention was for him to be free of the suffering of the nails. Lorgar didn't get to complete the ritual properly, and Khorne took Angron as his own. Korne also decided that the nails were useful. While Lorgar is at fault for not respecting Angron's desire to die, his intention was clearly stated as being to save Angron and free him from the pain.
@@MrHoneumalorgars intention doesn’t override khornes will. If khorne wanted to, he could make it 100% pain free but doesn’t.
When lorgar and angron were fighting the eldar, a dying eldar commented that the nails were leading Angron to the eightfold path.
The nails are a machination of khorne. Not just some tool of the high riders of nuceria
One of the best parts of Betrayer for sure, thank you.
Man. The emotions put into this reading are heavy.. it easily creeps into you and fills you with what they’re feeling
"Piss on Angron's grave after he dies" -Gharte, World Eater
Might have been loosely inspired by Spartacus's revolt in Rome.
The nails hurt ! Ah, how they hurt! ..... Goddamn mate i can feel it, i can feel his pain, im crying you are such a good actor !
This fully brought me to tears off from Angron's speech.
Angron: Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover
Nailed the tragedy of Angron. Incredible performance.
ANGRON and KONRAD have it hard. 😢😊
Made me tear up. Good stuff.
One of the many reasons why Angron is one of my top favorite primarchs truly a broken man.
I love how he got emotional and sad in this, even that he knows and can feel how nails are answering for that.
Genuinely made me shed a tear. This is amazing.
Angron may not seem like it at first glimpse but he had the biggest heart of all the primarchs i think. The way he talks about his friends and brothers in arms it moves me to tears.
Gulliman was wrong about agron. The only slave was gulliman, agron choose to tell the truth. The emperor caused this pain. He did not help.
God ... the Emperor for all his apparent wisdom sure f-ed up with Angron ... sigh ... what a tragic character 😞
Definitely the best voice I've heard for Angron so far, I hope you do the bit where he confronts the Nucerians too
Angron pouring his heart out and all this slime lorgar can do is hype him on what he wants: to fight the Emperor.
A fool manipulating a monster.
No.
He wants to die.
@@terminallove3531 I meant what Lorgar wants
@@SgtThiel
Ahhh...
I wonder how much of it is manipulation and how much of it is simply Lorgar projecting what he wants because of how consumed he is by his vision. He can get Angron's anger to an extent and does care, but he's still laser-focused on the great vision of a galaxy united by Chaos.
As others have said, Angron is the primarch who was never given a choice. However, Lorgar was the primarch who never allowed himself a choice or even the possibility of turning back, at least once he had convinced himself of the "right" thing to do.
Not that far from Konrad, come to think of it. Both consumed by their ideals, vision (in Konrad's case, literally), and flawed concepts of destiny till it ruined them.
Damn, that was a crazy emotion trip
10/10 Narration
That was quite touching 😢
I hear the thunder, Angron...
Logar being a better brother and support than the Emperor ever was
Masterfully acted. Incredible emotion in your voice. Bravo.
did anyone else cry?
Very adequate pfp
I think one of the greatest ironies of 40k is that the traitor primarchs all needed a father.
And the Emperor, was no father.
I wonder how the Heresy would have gone down if the Emperor had decided to teleport down and joined them. He would have won in moments. He clearly had the time to do fuck around with Vulkhan. If only the Emperor had made himself the saviour and not the prison guard to Angron
In the end I like to believe in death his people knew he didn’t run
I think the background music is: I Can't Breath By The Spa Boy
It is. Thank you!
I genuinely feel sad for Angron, everything the man ever wanted was to finally rest and be free. Instead, he was always seem and used as a tool for slaughter by everyone around him - be it the traitors, or the Emperor himself. Lorgar tried so much to twist Angron very feelings into those of vengeance against the Imperium, but in the end... Angron really just wanted to be left alone so that he could die in peace and maybe, just maybe, meet his brothers and sisters in another life. He became a husk of himself, a tormented soul screaming for help as the butcher's nails clouded his reason and made him lash out in anger against everyone on his way. And in the few moments of clarity Angron had... he was able to see the hell he was dragged in, the one he unwillingly help to build, and all he could do was weep.
The voice acting broooo. 🙇🙇🙇🙇
that was a masterpiece!
Man, I'm just struck again and again by how much irony gets loaded into Angron's story. He was designed to be an empathetic leader, a vital part of imperial leadership since even the Emperor was long on plans and intentions but short on empathy for others; the Butcher's Nails ruined that, and turned what would likely have been the great peacemaker among the Primarchs into a furious killer, something the Imperium had in excess already.
The Legions were awaiting their gene-fathers to truly come together as a family as well as an army, but Angron HAD a family and losing it the way he did meant he couldn't allow himself to accept his sons; it probably felt like a betrayal of his brothers and sisters to "replace" them, and the War Hounds lose their way as a legion trying to understand what was DONE to Angron.
Nuceria's horrific social system left the part of Angron that feels more than rage with a deep distrust of power, a desire to be free, and a disgust for the strong trampling the weak. In a phenomenally cruel twist, while he's not buying what the Emperor is selling, his second rebellion leads to his treacherous brother, the one who actually bothered to get to know him at all, knowingly enslaving him all over again to the EMBODIMENT of the strong trampling the weak.
I found your videos and damn! Your voice is amazing! I love how you captured a genuinely heartfelt moment from Angron, I'm really impressed. I love this passage, you really show the humanity in the primarchs.
First ten seconds I thought meh but DAM this gave me chills
This is why Angron is my favourite traitor Primarch: maybe even my favourite Primarch. He was the only traitor, who fell through no fault of his own. While Mortarion said raved at what the Emperor stole from him, Angron was the only one who truly knew such a deep loss. He didn’t just lose his chance at vengeance: he lost his family, his dignity, his identity without ever tasting freedom. May the red angels of Neuciria one day find peace.
Angron. The embodiment of will power. My uead Cannon is angron will one day retain that immesne will power and finally have a choice. *Breaks free from khorne
DAMN THIS CHANNEL IS GOOD
i can see the picture of this conversation, Angron on his knees in the mists of the bones of his brothers and sisters, Lorgar a respectable distance behind him, and as he spoke Angron begins to cry for his kin, and how his life has been in the hands of one slave master after another, first the high riders, then his "father"
Now Khorne himself.
The voice acting is simply magnificent, tears flowed from my eyes! I have added a link to your channel to all my wahi fan chats, so I hope you will get more subscribers soon😉
my guy was brutal, but he was real...it's really no wonder he fell to kornflakes.
Thats brutal.
This is so so good
This is the greatest voice for Angron Ive ever heard. If the Amber King ever does a video on the Red Angel, I pray you lend your voice to the project
Multiple goose bumps
It's a shame it wasn't Vulkan instead of Logar. If anyone who could have talked Angron down, It would have been him.
Almost made me cry 😢
The agony in his voice….
Death to the false emperor, just another high rider.
He had so much taken from him, and when he finally had his one chance to make his own path, it was stolen from him again and again. When he finally was done with everything and decided to die, that was stolen from him and was turned to a demon without his consent.
Could you do the throne room when Angron confronts the Nucerians
Angron really is one of the most tragic Primarchs
I think it’s even more tragic that Lorgar didn’t let Angron die in the segue of terra like he promised instead making him into the worst version of himself